| maxamillion | random question though, will there be any integration with cloud services on MeeGo? will I be able to sync my contacts with google? (that's really the only bit I don't know that I could do without) | 00:00 |
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| Kray | if there is need for it, chances are good that someone implements it | 00:00 |
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| Kray | just like anything else in open source | 00:01 |
| maxamillion | well true, I just didn't know if things like that would be part of the "stock" install | 00:01 |
| maxamillion | or even if that information was available to the public at this point | 00:01 |
| thiago | maxamillion: Nokia devices will sync with Ovi | 00:02 |
| tranqenstein | craigslist in SF had a few of them. ebay has a few as well, but some of the ones on ebay are slightly different | 00:03 |
| maxamillion | thiago: right .... Ovi ..... about that | 00:03 |
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| tranqenstein | I've seen some N900s that seem to be slightly less expensive, but that are lacking the 32GB storage. | 00:04 |
| Stskeeps | all have 32gb | 00:05 |
| Stskeeps | afaik | 00:05 |
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| tranqenstein | this one isn't: http://cgi.ebay.com/N900-Quadband-Dual-sim-2-camera-touch-JAVA-2GB-unlocked-/280532172669?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item4151053f7d#ht_7245wt_907 | 00:07 |
| tranqenstein | I don't trust it | 00:07 |
| Stskeeps | that looks fake | 00:07 |
| tranqenstein | yep | 00:07 |
| thiago | all N900 has 32 GB | 00:07 |
| thiago | if you see an entry that doesn't, either the entry is inaccurate or it isn't an N900 | 00:07 |
| MeeGoExperts | A china knock off maybe .... | 00:08 |
| lbt | oooh.... | 00:09 |
| * lbt hugs his UPS :D | 00:09 | |
| tranqenstein | cool, thanks for clarifying. I guess people need to be careful if they want to try to pick up a recycled n900 for cheap | 00:09 |
| tranqenstein | ...make sure its the real deal... | 00:09 |
| MeeGoExperts | Generally if you can find one classed as "new" that will be a good starter. A new device HAS to have zero defects. | 00:10 |
| MeeGoExperts | but then theres something quite wrong with that listing, as a N900 isn't dual sim for a start !!! | 00:11 |
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| thiago | yeah | 00:12 |
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| CosmoHill | lbt: UPS for the win | 00:31 |
| CosmoHill | sure it's only used for 30 minutes of the year but it's worth it :) | 00:31 |
| lbt | heh ... it sure is... | 00:31 |
| CosmoHill | (or that one time I moved my server without turning it off) | 00:32 |
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| CosmoHill | oh cool, clutter with wayland | 00:38 |
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| dolp | yeah it's 27th now :P | 00:44 |
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| smithna | Anyone home? | 01:50 |
| CosmoHill | dolp: good point | 01:50 |
| auke | nah, still in the office | 01:50 |
| CosmoHill | what time zone is the release in? | 01:50 |
| auke | the latest one possible | 01:51 |
| CosmoHill | UTC -8? | 01:51 |
| auke | UTC -99 | 01:52 |
| smithna | Release today? | 01:52 |
| auke | no | 01:52 |
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| CosmoHill | smithna: it will be out this time tomorrow (11:55pm) | 01:54 |
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| smithna | Ok, cool. I won't try and download an image now then... | 01:54 |
| stephg | CosmoHill: your clock is fast ;) | 01:55 |
| CosmoHill | no, saying 11:54pm would be pedantic | 01:55 |
| stephg | particularly now ;) | 01:55 |
| CosmoHill | Tue Oct 26 23:55:56 BST 2010 | 01:55 |
| smithna | I'm guessing this will require a reinstall (vs an upgrade) | 01:56 |
| CosmoHill | smithna: correct | 01:56 |
| dolp | its 01:56 already :P | 01:56 |
| stephg | dolp: go to bed! | 01:57 |
| dolp | cant get no sleep | 01:58 |
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| * CosmoHill darts dolp | 01:58 | |
| dolp | 1 sheep, 2 sheeps 3 sheeps. | 02:00 |
| stephg | well is bed time for me. Good night all, see you in the morning | 02:00 |
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| CosmoHill | bye bye stephg | 02:01 |
| CosmoHill | stephg: did I asked you about the n900 video? | 02:01 |
| dolp | gnight stephg | 02:01 |
| stephg | CosmoHill, yeah, my vid, but all credit must go to ali1234 and Stskeeps | 02:01 |
| CosmoHill | thanks for making it :) | 02:02 |
| stephg | it's only about 500 views on blip and like 250 on youtube, need more impressions! :) | 02:02 |
| MeeGoExperts | +1 - Nice vid :-) | 02:03 |
| CosmoHill | stephg: I had to download the video just to get it to play | 02:04 |
| stephg | was funny at the beginning but should be fine now | 02:04 |
| andre__ | URL? | 02:05 |
| stephg | plays for me in ff 32-bit so I'd have thought should work for everyone | 02:05 |
| CosmoHill | stephg: flash rapes my powerbook | 02:05 |
| stephg | andre__: http://blip.tv/file/4296208 | 02:05 |
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| MeeGoExperts | Lol, Is that a fetish thing ? | 02:05 |
| stephg | anyway guys I run. See you in about 7 hours, tomorrow is going to be *fun* | 02:06 |
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| CosmoHill | oh that reminds me, I want to download the release as soon as I can for my mirror | 02:09 |
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| rhct | Night all :) | 04:31 |
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| Linex | would be quite a surprise if the first meego phone is not a nokia. | 06:23 |
| slingr | would it still be quite a surprise if it wasn't atom-based? | 06:24 |
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| * thiago_home wouldn't be surprised by either | 06:28 | |
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| SunilThaha | Hi all, when I run osc build, it stops at BuildService API error: can't verify packages due to lack of GPG keys | 07:38 |
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| SunilThaha | any pointer on on how to resolve this? | 07:38 |
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| jl_ | hi, | 07:49 |
| jl_ | I run ./scripts/sequence-patch.sh --quilt | 07:50 |
| jl_ | but I get the error: http://pastebin.com/WyL6YfD2 | 07:50 |
| jl_ | How about it, thxs | 07:51 |
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| mohan43u | hi, duihome died with signal 4, I'm running handset-sdk-20101012 with qemugl.. can someone help me..?? | 08:10 |
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| ajay | hey folks | 09:31 |
| Myrtti | moin | 09:32 |
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| ajay | pretty quiet in here.. | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | 'tis morning | 09:35 |
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| ajay | I thought it was night.. ;^) | 09:35 |
| ajay | Any n900 users in here? | 09:36 |
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| iekku | yes | 09:36 |
| iekku | i'm basic user, but I know here's also "heavy"users | 09:37 |
| ajay | I'm trying to get n900's fennec working on WebOS (the opp of preenv), but its missing liblocation.so.0 | 09:37 |
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| ajay | iekku: np. I don't know how the n900 works, but if you could send me that library it would be greatly appreciated! | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | ajay: just recompile fennec, it's open source.. | 09:39 |
| ajay | Stskeeps: Folks have been trying to do that, it's not been working well. | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | it's fennec, what do you expect? ;p | 09:40 |
| ajay | haha.. | 09:40 |
| ajay | I'd also like to get Opera Mobile to work, it requires the same library | 09:40 |
| ajay | and if fennec doesn't work well, all the more reason to get Opera mobile to work. | 09:40 |
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| ajay | Stskeeps: Are you familiar with preenv? | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | liblocation is closed source and won't be useful on a pre | 09:41 |
| ajay | Stskeeps: There's really only 1 way to find out! | 09:42 |
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| ajay | thanks for sending that over! | 09:55 |
| ajay | dtz: cool you have a decent connection too. :) | 09:55 |
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| ajay | damn I think I almost got fennec working, but looks like I need an X server too! so primitive.. ;^) | 11:07 |
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| Stskeeps | duh :P | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | i'd claim framebuffer is primitive | 11:08 |
| ajay | i'm pretty sure framebuffer is more modern than X | 11:09 |
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| ajay | what would apple's system be called? | 11:09 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Framebuffer is a rather nice abstraction that lets you run anything on anything | 11:09 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: slowly, of course :) | 11:10 |
| ajay | why slow? | 11:10 |
| RST38h | ajay: It does not assume any additional hardware for blitting images or showing the cursor | 11:11 |
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| ajay | wow, "framebuffer vs X" is quite the topic online, heh. One of the first posts I found says: "the advantage of the framebuffer is lower | 11:13 |
| ajay | overhead, quicker startup and this should translate into performance." | 11:13 |
| ajay | RST38h: But it can be/use hardware acceleration? | 11:13 |
| RST38h | Yes but it will not be generic framebuffer then | 11:13 |
| RST38h | And yes, you can run X in a framebuffer, and plenty embedded devices do just that | 11:14 |
| ajay | hmm.. but X using hw acc is still generic? | 11:14 |
| RST38h | X abstracts hw acc | 11:14 |
| ajay | RST38h: Yeah that's what I'll end up trying. That sounds bloated tho, blech.. ;^) | 11:14 |
| RST38h | Framebuffer does not | 11:14 |
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| RST38h | It is not bloated. Think of X as a specific API (or APIs) to access your frame buffer | 11:15 |
| ajay | ok | 11:15 |
| RST38h | May I ask what you are planning to use frame buffer for? | 11:15 |
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| ajay | Oh, I meant to run Opera/Fennec/skype/etc on X on a framebuffer would be bloated | 11:15 |
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| RST38h | Have you got versions of Opera/Fennec/skype/etc that run directly on a frame buffer? | 11:16 |
| ajay | better if I could run it straight on the fb, but looks like that's not possible | 11:16 |
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| RST38h | Then stop arguing :) | 11:16 |
| ajay | i'm not arguing | 11:16 |
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| ajay | incase you missed the beginning of the thread, i'm trying to run these apps on my Pre, since ya'll can run WebOS apps, I figured I should be able to do the opposite, but looks like I'll take a perf hit if I do. | 11:17 |
| RST38h | ah | 11:17 |
| ajay | The question in my head (that you interpreted as arguing) was what kind of perf hit that'd take. Of course, there's only 1 way to find out | 11:17 |
| RST38h | No, you won't take much of perf hit | 11:17 |
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| RST38h | The "frame buffer" is not some piece of software that adds processing time to your calls | 11:18 |
| ajay | you don't think so? skype over X over FB? It's definitely gotta add memory (I'm thinking X server mainly) and cpu time. | 11:18 |
| RST38h | It is just a method to get direct pointer to your display contents. So, X takes that pointer and starts drawing there directly, that's all | 11:19 |
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| ajay | otoh from what Sts says fennec is meant to run poorly so maybe that's ok.. ;^) | 11:19 |
| ajay | i guess we'll see in coming days. | 11:20 |
| RST38h | You are talking about Linux software. Pretty much all of it is designed to run over X. So, removing X from the equation is not feasible, unless you would like to rewrite all the software | 11:20 |
| ajay | What percentage of meego s/w is direct FB, if anybody knows? | 11:20 |
| RST38h | One possibility though is to use a lightweight X API implementation, compiled as a library (rather than a server) | 11:20 |
| RST38h | ajay: 0? :) | 11:21 |
| ajay | RST38h: I call BS :) | 11:21 |
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| RST38h | ajay: Ok, I am sure the boot loader uses fb. | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | and perhaps splash | 11:21 |
| ajay | There's some bit of Linux software that is not tied to X. I grabbed TuxPaint for Maemo, it loaded fine on my pre | 11:21 |
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| ajay | Pre, Android, and MacOS (if you count BSDs) don't use X at all | 11:22 |
| RST38h | Let us see what TuxPaint uses... | 11:22 |
| ajay | SDL | 11:22 |
| RST38h | Ah, true | 11:22 |
| RST38h | TuxPaint does use X | 11:22 |
| RST38h | But it does so via SDL. Give it a different SDL, one that runs over fb, and TuxPaint or any other SDL-using application will use fb | 11:23 |
| ajay | It seems like it's got to be able to run under/over X, but I was able to load it | 11:23 |
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| ajay | I think I copied all of maemo's SDL libs over to get it to run, but .. yeah it must have been using the Pre's core SDL libs to run | 11:24 |
| ajay | makes sense. | 11:24 |
| RST38h | So my guess is that any Maemo/Meego binary that uses SDL only (no X or hildon or gtk or Qt) should run for you | 11:24 |
| ajay | Yeah.. that's probably the rare app | 11:24 |
| RST38h | Not that rare | 11:24 |
| RST38h | SDL is very popular among game writers on Linux | 11:25 |
| RST38h | Abstracts a lot of low level stuff | 11:25 |
| ajay | I'm noting your comment about X API, since I can't do anything with that (yet?) | 11:25 |
| RST38h | You want a version of X that runs over fb | 11:25 |
| RST38h | Do ls /dev/fb* on your Pre and tell me what it says | 11:26 |
| ajay | RST38h: yeah doom was one of the first things ported to the pre I hear | 11:26 |
| ajay | I remember one of the Debian guys setting up a debian chroot on his pre, I believe he ran X, if not, others have | 11:26 |
| ajay | fb->fb0 and there's also fb1 | 11:27 |
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| ajay | (in terms of SDL games I mean). I still have been getting the impression there's not a lot of (currently-maintained) SDL software, but we'll see. Someone ported Enlightenment's Terminal software (Enterminus).. | 11:28 |
| RST38h | ajay: Ok, then you may be able to run a generic X binary on your pre | 11:28 |
| ajay | RST38h: Hm, apparently not only has that been done, but they've run openoffice on it. yikes! | 11:31 |
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| ajay | Funny enough, I just realized the person I've been chatting with about getting the n900 apps is the one who did almost all the work to get X11 working on the Pre! haha | 11:32 |
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| ajay | (over in #webos-internals) | 11:32 |
| ajay | since that work is done I .. ohh he has to update it i just realized, so maybe this can be a good motivator | 11:34 |
| ajay | I convinced a friend to buy an n810 (he did the research) a couple of years ago, he's not been using it, but it's the last I looked the platform before tonight. | 11:35 |
| ajay | been getting into the Pre kinda heavy lately, which is rad. Finding out about preenv brought me here.. | 11:36 |
| ajay | and so now I'm back to learning about Maemo/Meego (though I do have a Moblin water bottle downstairs? :).. it's also very interesting to learn about the respective cmtys | 11:36 |
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| ajay | there are a lot of people over here.. and Meego and WebOS each are able to attract different types of devs. It's all really fascinating.. | 11:37 |
| ajay | anyways, but I think i'm overdue on sleeptime | 11:37 |
| ajay | so hope that was fun for all | 11:37 |
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| MeeGoExperts | Morning all | 13:32 |
| lcuk | \o | 13:32 |
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| Stskeeps | MeeGoExperts: minor detail, would it be possible to add proper credit to stephg who made the dual-boot video? credit where credit is due :) (i only twittered it) | 13:33 |
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| stephg | and ali1234 for you know, doing the work ;) | 13:33 |
| MeeGoExperts | Good idea guys | 13:35 |
| MeeGoExperts | Sorry. | 13:35 |
| MeeGoExperts | Feel like crying. | 13:35 |
| MeeGoExperts | BUT | 13:35 |
| MeeGoExperts | I'll just sort the mistake out instead :-) | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | but thanks for publishing it :) shows people the dual boot is actually real | 13:36 |
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| MeeGoExperts | ali1234, what username is that ? | 13:39 |
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| MeeGoExperts | ie maemo / meego forum ? | 13:39 |
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| Stskeeps | dunno - no need for precise attribution but stephg and ali1234 should be enough :) | 13:39 |
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| MeeGoExperts | So no postcodes then ? | 13:40 |
| MeeGoExperts | Lol | 13:40 |
| stephg | ha | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | no need for their GPS coordinate either.. | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:40 |
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| MeeGoExperts | Google Latitude? Come on guys ………. hehe | 13:40 |
| lcuk | MeeGoExperts, don't forget to add satellite screenshots | 13:40 |
| dolppp | is there anything that can be done so that no need to take off sd card everytime i'd like to boot maemo | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | dolppp: yes, but you have to write your own custom boot script | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | it's very flexible | 13:41 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, would the same sort of "keyboard open/closed" detection work? | 13:41 |
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| MeeGoExperts | Post updated with credit. Thanks for pointing that out guys. Much appreciated. | 13:45 |
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| alterego | IS there anyone here I can talk to about the conference and funding? | 13:50 |
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| MeeGoExperts | alterego, Have you applied for it ? | 13:52 |
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| alterego | Well, unfortunately it seems I didn't submit my request when I thought I did, so I, on the off chance I submitted I wanted to go a couple of weeks ago | 13:54 |
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| alterego | I've just had an email saying I can go, but it's my understanding that the help for funding is finished now. | 13:55 |
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| alterego | Was wondering if there's any chance of it, or I'll somehow have to raise the funds myself :/ | 13:55 |
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| MeeGoExperts | What exactly did the email say ? | 14:03 |
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| alterego | MeeGoExperts: was just talking about needing to sort out accomodation by friday 29th | 14:11 |
| alterego | I think it was a general to those that hadn't published their accomodation information on the profile. | 14:12 |
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| alterego | I thought, before I try and work out how I can fund it I'd ask here first. | 14:12 |
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| Charubala1920 | Jessica/yfu I am able to replace the kernel image as yfu suggested. I got it working now. Thanks a lot | 14:35 |
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| sjokkis | why are so many people staying from 14th to 18th at the conference? there's no technical talks after mid-day on the 17th, is there? | 14:44 |
| CosmoHill | maybe they just want a break | 14:44 |
| lbt | we're sociable | 14:44 |
| lbt | although some of us are taking advantage of meeting up to get some f2f work done | 14:45 |
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| sjokkis | just wondering, since i'm doing the opposite and spending saturday in dublin | 14:45 |
| CosmoHill | f2f? | 14:45 |
| Termana | Face to face | 14:45 |
| CosmoHill | ah | 14:45 |
| sjokkis | i.e. 13th to 17th, leaving in the afternoon after the last talk | 14:45 |
| CosmoHill | are you guys going to have your real name and IRC name on the tags? | 14:45 |
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| Stskeeps | real :P | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | easier to figure out if i end up in an accident who to contact | 14:47 |
| Termana | Stskeeps doesn't want n00bs identifying him by his IRC nick | 14:47 |
| Termana | :p | 14:47 |
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| brik | just make sure to figure out his real name before you go | 14:48 |
| Myrtti | having realnames as other than "whatcha lookin' at" or "moo" is so difficult | 14:48 |
| Myrtti | in IRC | 14:49 |
| sjokkis | sup brik | 14:49 |
| sjokkis | high five | 14:49 |
| Myrtti | real pro's have both | 14:49 |
| Myrtti | I used to have my nickname in my business card | 14:49 |
| Milhouse | Some are unpronouncable... Is it Saint Skeeps? :) | 14:49 |
| brik | what's up? <insert swear words here> ;p home time soon tho! there? | 14:49 |
| brik | lol | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | Milhouse: 'sts' works | 14:50 |
| CosmoHill | everyone will print out the "who's who" list and read it on the plane | 14:50 |
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| sjokkis | brik: playing gta4 ftw | 14:50 |
| brik | CosmoHill: remember to add photos! | 14:50 |
| sjokkis | brik: you'll be joining me for a saturday fuelled by whisky and cigars before the conference, correct? | 14:50 |
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| brik | I'm one of those 14th - 18th people... | 14:51 |
| Termana | So who is smuggling me in their suitcase? :p | 14:51 |
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| Linex | galaxy tab really showcases android. is there no meego tablet ? | 14:54 |
| Termana | The WeTab? | 14:54 |
| sivang | wetab is great | 14:55 |
| Termana | But that isn't really a MeeGo device as such. It's not under compliance for use of the trademark | 14:55 |
| sivang | albeit unreleased | 14:55 |
| sivang | Termana: aren't you coming to the conf? | 14:55 |
| Termana | sivang, have you been living under a rock? The WeTab has been out for ages now :p | 14:55 |
| sivang | Termana: I wanted to buy one at Munch and they would not let me, said unreleased yet | 14:56 |
| sivang | *Munich | 14:56 |
| Termana | sivang, nah I can't for various reasons. Still, I'll be sitting back here in the chat room. Answering questions I suppose since everyone else will be gone :p And watch the videos after | 14:56 |
| sivang | Termana: I see, you are our support hero! | 14:59 |
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| achipa | :w | 15:12 |
| achipa | oops, wrong window | 15:13 |
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| dneary | Hi | 15:19 |
| dneary | https://bugs.maemo.org/7107 <- We should do the same thing for meego.com | 15:19 |
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| * abogani is wondering if MeeGO and Yocta projects (both promoted by LF) will overlap each other sooner or later... | 15:55 | |
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| Stskeeps | Yocta? | 15:57 |
| leinir | i was kind of thinking that... and after googling, i'm still thinking that ;) | 15:59 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, yocto | 15:59 |
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| Stskeeps | is that poky linux in disguise? | 16:00 |
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| abogani | Sorry for typo I meant Yocto (http://www.yoctoproject.org/). | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | abogani: well, there'll always be a market for very embedded stuff | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | the interesting part is the qt inclusion.. | 16:04 |
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| abogani | Stskeeps: Yocto is based on Poky which in turn is based on Bitbake. This last one offer Qt4. So both can offer an Qt runtime... | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:09 |
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| * abogani is very baffled ... | 16:10 | |
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| lbt | gabor_: hey... | 17:20 |
| smoku | how do I autoload a module during meego boot? | 17:21 |
| lbt | the CSS is a good idea | 17:21 |
| gabor_ | lbt: hi | 17:21 |
| gabor_ | ty | 17:21 |
| lbt | dneary.... can you do anything about CSS on wiki.meego.com? | 17:21 |
| lbt | the intel guys are still asleep | 17:21 |
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| lbt | we need european webmasters too | 17:21 |
| X-Fade | And with the 1.1 release going on, forget about it today. | 17:22 |
| gabor_ | dneary: could you put this css into wiki.meego.com : https://qed.princeton.edu/main/MediaWiki:Common.css | 17:22 |
| lbt | X-Fade: yeah.... I'm not paying attention to the meego releases | 17:22 |
| gabor_ | to avoid the crappy tables | 17:22 |
| smoku | lbt, how is obs.maemo upgrade progressing? | 17:23 |
| X-Fade | Well that is probably why things are a bit slow atm ;) | 17:23 |
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| lbt | smoku: we've stopped :) | 17:24 |
| lbt | sorry | 17:24 |
| lbt | but... | 17:24 |
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| lbt | there is progress on the real one | 17:24 |
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| smoku | noone knows how to autoload a module during meego boot? | 17:31 |
| Aard | smoku: rc.local gets executed, for a quick'n'dirty solution modprobe module_name in /etc/rc.local works | 17:32 |
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| smoku | I would call it workaround, not solution | 17:33 |
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| ni1s | no /etc/modules ? | 17:37 |
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| smoku | /etc/modules: No such file or directory | 17:38 |
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| smoku | # grep -r etc/modules /etc/ | 17:39 |
| smoku | # | 17:39 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago: that technology management report.. i assume that isn't public? it would be good to have some solid benchmark background to discuss upon so | 17:43 |
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| thiago | Stskeeps: this wasn't a benchmark report. They did micro-benchmarking and analysis of CPU specs. | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:48 |
| thiago | one said "I got 33% improvement on Maemo by enabling RunFast mode" | 17:48 |
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| Stskeeps | currently many apps selectively enable runfast at least | 17:49 |
| thiago | that should be the default | 17:49 |
| thiago | apps that need IEEE754 should opt in instead | 17:49 |
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| thiago | RunFast and the float thing are what surprised me | 17:50 |
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| thiago | I thought that ARM was good already with doubles | 17:50 |
| thiago | but apparently only the A9 has good performance there | 17:50 |
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| dneary | gabor_, lbt: I don't think so | 17:53 |
| dneary | I mean, I don't think I have the privileges | 17:53 |
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| gabor_ | dneary: who can do it? | 17:53 |
| dneary | gabor_, Let me try... | 17:53 |
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| qgil | lbt: fwiw Mike Shaver is not asleep at all | 18:02 |
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| lbt | qgil: he's not | 18:03 |
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| dneary | DawnFoster, Ping? | 18:22 |
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| dneary | DawnFoster, I just confirmed my trip to Seoul, leaving Dublin on the 17th. I have a flight at 13:35, so I'll be leaving the conference a day earlier than I'd hoped, and won't be around for most of the unconference day :( | 18:23 |
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| ni1s | Will 1.1 work on the n900? | 18:42 |
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| thiago | yes | 18:42 |
| thiago | by some definition of "work" | 18:42 |
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| ni1s | work meaning phoning? | 18:43 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders if and how we should deal with the neon issue | 18:44 | |
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| thiago | no, I don't think you'll be able to make calls | 18:44 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago: you are actually able to, scaringily | 18:44 |
| thiago | really? | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | it goes to the speakers but it works | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | and the other guy can hear you too | 18:44 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago: are you opt-in or opt-out regarding neon? i mean, opt-in would be a good way to not accidentially make non-NEON stuff and by opting in you make your neon stuff guarded (like in your auxv patch, in glibc, etc..) | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | and we wouldn't be closing the door on nvidia tegra2 | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | opt-in being directly indicating -mfpu=neon for the things that need it, not toolchain standard | 18:47 |
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| lcuk | lbt is build.pub.meego.com useful for Dublin? I thought they had enough bars and pubs already :P | 18:55 |
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| dneary | Any sign of mshaver yet? | 19:11 |
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| vnepo | hello everyone | 19:39 |
| CosmoHill | hey | 19:41 |
| vnepo | hey | 19:41 |
| vnepo | is meego 1.1 out? | 19:42 |
| CosmoHill | it will be sometime today | 19:42 |
| CosmoHill | (UTC-*) | 19:42 |
| CosmoHill | *8 | 19:43 |
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| vnepo | cool | 19:43 |
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| vnepo | i wanna try that on my n900 | 19:43 |
| DawnFoster | I think we've said the release will be out sometime this week | 19:43 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: I was told today | 19:44 |
| CosmoHill | *I was told that it would be today | 19:44 |
| DawnFoster | CosmoHill: you were told wrong :) | 19:44 |
| CosmoHill | damn | 19:44 |
| vnepo | well all good | 19:44 |
| DawnFoster | it will be out this week though | 19:44 |
| vnepo | this week is cool | 19:44 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: I'll try and mirror them as fast as I can | 19:45 |
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| vnepo | im new to this but how easy is it to install meego on the n900? | 19:46 |
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| CosmoHill | you'll need a microSD card and the USB cable | 19:46 |
| milliams | The 1.1 docs on the wiki suggest that I do "mad-admin create -f -e ..." but mad-admin says that the -e flag is "DANGEROUS!". That seems incongruous :S | 19:47 |
| vnepo | oh ok so its just a simple download the files to the sd card and reboot? | 19:47 |
| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/faq.txt | 19:47 |
| CosmoHill | at the bottom | 19:47 |
| vnepo | thats for me or milliams? | 19:48 |
| CosmoHill | vnepo: you | 19:48 |
| vnepo | ok ill check it out | 19:48 |
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| vnepo | thanks | 19:49 |
| qgil | CosmoHill: the information has been always at http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Marketing/Meego.com_1.1_update | 19:49 |
| CosmoHill | thanks qgil | 19:49 |
| Jartza | qgil: _o/ | 19:51 |
| vnepo | oh so thats why you need to use an sdcard | 19:51 |
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| qgil | Jartza: I guess I know you? | 19:51 |
| vnepo | 256mb is not enough | 19:51 |
| Jartza | qgil: /whois jartza :) | 19:52 |
| qgil | Jartza: ok :) your nick sounds 100% Basque to me | 19:53 |
| Jartza | qgil: :D | 19:53 |
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| vnepo | is there a changelog for 1.1? | 19:54 |
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| qgil | vnepo: there will be release notes with the release | 19:57 |
| vnepo | ok how do you all feel about the meego ux? | 19:58 |
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| qgil | vnepo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzlpTRNIAvc | 19:58 |
| qgil | vnepo: (sorry: it was too tempting) ;) | 19:58 |
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| vnepo | lol im checking | 19:59 |
| vnepo | haha feel good | 20:00 |
| vnepo | oh for the microsd card how much space should i get? | 20:01 |
| CosmoHill | I think you need at least 1GB but 2GB or more should be fine | 20:01 |
| vnepo | ok im looking in amazon | 20:02 |
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| vnepo | i wonder if bestbuy sells this | 20:03 |
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| lcuk | vnepo, a store bought 2gb card I had was not enough for some reason, I have gotten myself a 4gb card to be sure | 20:04 |
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| vnepo | ok i will thanks ill get 6 or 8 to be safe | 20:07 |
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| vnepo | so every new release has to be downloaded again you just can't update | 20:08 |
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| GAN900 | vnepo, they do, but they charge you double for them. | 20:11 |
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| vnepo | oh that sucks ill get the 4gb its a good price | 20:12 |
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| qgil | dear lazy irc - where are the authoritative instructions to setup Maemo - MeeGo dual boot in N900? | 20:12 |
| qgil | Searching I only get long threads | 20:13 |
| lcuk | qgil, the long threads are in the melting pot at the moment as instructions are cleaned up | 20:13 |
| qgil | any wiki page? | 20:13 |
| vnepo | can i get those instructions too when its cleaned up | 20:13 |
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| lcuk | qgil, I have heard someone spending a little time writing up initial instructions, but I did not see him post the actual page | 20:14 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/U-Boot_from_scratch | 20:15 |
| lcuk | hh he did, i just missed it | 20:15 |
| lcuk | this was stephg who did the initial video seen around | 20:16 |
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| GAN900 | qgil, clearly you should post a new thread. ;) | 20:17 |
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| qgil | GAN900: clearly I shouldn't ;) | 20:18 |
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| qgil | thanks lcuk | 20:19 |
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| Example | Zebi | 20:26 |
| Jartza | I guess I should finally try meego on my n900 | 20:28 |
| orospakr | Indeed! What's the story with the dual boot functionality in PR1.3? I'm looking for doc and not finding any. | 20:29 |
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| mirf | is pr 1.3 available?! | 20:30 |
| lcuk | mirf, meego 1.3 won't be available for a while | 20:30 |
| fcrozat | mirf: since yesterday | 20:30 |
| mirf | ah thought so | 20:30 |
| fcrozat | lcuk: he means maemo ;) | 20:30 |
| mirf | 1.1 is in the repo | 20:30 |
| * lcuk knows | 20:30 | |
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| mirf | what? | 20:31 |
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| mirf | I'm looking for meego :) | 20:31 |
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| mirf | I've got it on my SD at the moment but no joy booting yet m | 20:31 |
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| mirf | I think I need to tell bootloader to load the right kernel | 20:33 |
| Example | Fuck you all bye | 20:33 |
| mirf | lol | 20:33 |
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| epx | heh | 20:33 |
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| mlfoster | robsta: Noel should be pinging you in a moment | 20:35 |
| robsta | mlfoster: ok i'll check back in a sec | 20:35 |
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| mlfoster | NoelA: hi, can you see me? | 20:36 |
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| NoelA | mlfoster: hey lady :) | 20:39 |
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| mlfoster | NoelA: Rob will be back in a minute | 20:39 |
| NoelA | mlfoster: cool, thanks! | 20:40 |
| robsta | hi NoelA, mlfoster called me in | 20:40 |
| robsta | NoelA: how may i assist? | 20:40 |
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| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: how many IRC windows do you have open atm? | 20:44 |
| CosmoHill | luck: same question | 20:44 |
| DawnFoster | CosmoHill: only 3 - I'm obsessive about closing ones I'm not using :) | 20:45 |
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| robsta | NoelA: unfortunately it's going toward 8pm here and i have to leave for another appointment, but there should be a few minutes left to look into your isses | 20:48 |
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| NoelA | robsta: thanks! | 20:52 |
| NoelA | couple of questions - are you testing on a netbook? | 20:53 |
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| robsta | NoelA: yes | 20:53 |
| NoelA | cool | 20:53 |
| NoelA | are you testing 1.1? | 20:53 |
| robsta | yes, but i might not have the latest version of _everything- | 20:54 |
| bdogg64 | are the icons on the handset ux going to remain gray? | 20:54 |
| robsta | NoelA: my modules are certainly up to date and ready for testing | 20:54 |
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| NoelA | in the Apps > Settings > Power & Brightness screen, are you allowed to adjust brightness? or is it just "use your device's keyboard"? | 20:55 |
| robsta | NoelA: unfortunately it's just the textual hint at the moment | 20:55 |
| NoelA | ok | 20:55 |
| NoelA | thanks so much | 20:55 |
| NoelA | I'm seeing the same on mine | 20:56 |
| robsta | NoelA: the capplet should be renamed, we have a bug open for that | 20:56 |
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| NoelA | ah, cool | 20:56 |
| NoelA | I was told the brightness had been updated, but I couldn't see it, no matter how recent the build I installed was | 20:56 |
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| NoelA | thanks so very much, robsta! | 20:56 |
| robsta | NoelA: i think that was referring to the devices panel | 20:57 |
| robsta | NoelA: you can set the brightness there using the mouse | 20:57 |
| NoelA | ah, k, thx | 20:57 |
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| NoelA | ok, got it | 20:57 |
| NoelA | thx | 20:57 |
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| robsta | NoelA: fyi, the change is that the brightness is now remembered and restored for on battery vs. plugged in | 20:58 |
| NoelA | cool. thx! | 20:58 |
| robsta | you are welcome | 20:58 |
| NoelA | and have you seen/experience Evo Express Addressbook? | 20:58 |
| NoelA | *experienced | 20:58 |
| robsta | NoelA: unfortunately not | 20:59 |
| NoelA | ah | 20:59 |
| robsta | NoelA: what about it? | 20:59 |
| NoelA | ok, thanks very, very much, robsta - appreciate it | 20:59 |
| NoelA | apparently the only way to add an image for a contact | 20:59 |
| robsta | NoelA: i can pass that on to the developer in charge so he contacts you | 21:00 |
| NoelA | thanks!! | 21:00 |
| robsta | NoelA: but he is in India, so your (work)timezones are probably somewhat disjoint | 21:01 |
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| NoelA | I'm fine with that. Would just be good to hear from him | 21:01 |
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| robsta | NoelA: ok i'll arrange that, anything else i can do for you? | 21:01 |
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| NoelA | robsta: that's all. thanks so very much! :) | 21:04 |
| robsta | no problem | 21:04 |
| robsta | NoelA: i'm sure he'll get back to you shortly | 21:04 |
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| robsta | NoelA: i have to run out now, feel free to email me if anything else comes up | 21:09 |
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| NoelA | robsta: will do. thanks again. | 21:11 |
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| GAN900 | Has anybody started listing flights on the wiki? | 21:30 |
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| Stskeeps | start a page if it's not there already and mail about it.. | 21:30 |
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| DawnFoster | Reminder: TSG starts in #meego-meeting in 25 minutes. Details here: http://wiki.meego.com/Technical_Steering_Group_meetings | 21:37 |
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| CosmoHill | merci DawnFoster | 21:37 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, thus my question. :P | 21:41 |
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| fiferboy | GAN900: I haven't been able to find one | 21:54 |
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| GAN900 | fiferboy, guess I'll try to put one together tonight. | 21:56 |
| fiferboy | Sounds good | 21:56 |
| fiferboy | I found that useful for Amsterdam | 21:57 |
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| lbt | hi fiferboy :) | 22:00 |
| fiferboy | Hi lbt, how's things? | 22:01 |
| CosmoHill | the meeting is starting now :) | 22:01 |
| lbt | really good | 22:01 |
| lbt | looking fwd to dublin now | 22:02 |
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| Myrtti | mmmm brandy | 22:04 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: How is the ice cream in Ireland? | 22:05 |
| niala | CosmoHill: hi, is the meeting start from | 22:05 |
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| lbt | fiferboy: we'll find the good stuff | 22:05 |
| CosmoHill | niala: see your PM | 22:05 |
| fiferboy | I don't doubt it | 22:05 |
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| CosmoHill | if I'm honest I don't pay much attention the to TSG meetings most of the time | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | that's what logs and minutes are for | 22:26 |
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| CosmoHill | I think we're more witnesses than anything | 22:27 |
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| niala | CosmoHill: +1 I suppose all the work is is already done | 22:30 |
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| mikaelsoderberg | lbt: pls go ahead | 22:30 |
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| jeremiah | lbt: Hi there. | 22:30 |
| rstreif | Go ahead. | 22:30 |
| lbt | hi jeremiah | 22:30 |
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| niala | but it's interesting | 22:30 |
| lcuk | \o thanks for answer mikaelsoderberg - lots of people will be able to just get idea with existing HW though | 22:30 |
| lbt | I just wanted to invite you guys in here | 22:30 |
| lbt | for a more casual chat ... | 22:30 |
| rstreif | sure, no prob. | 22:31 |
| jeremiah | Great, I can take my tie off | 22:31 |
| lbt | I'm interested to see how ivi stuff is going to work from an interop point of view | 22:31 |
| mikaelsoderberg | lcuk: yes, just a mini-ITX Atom board or a Beagle squeezed into a 1-2DIN box would be really cool to many people, I guess | 22:31 |
| jeremiah | lbt: Interop with what? | 22:31 |
| lbt | my n900 running meego | 22:31 |
| lbt | or my meego netbook | 22:32 |
| frals | hmm, who do i contact about package missing from 'core' compliance draft list? | 22:32 |
| jeremiah | lbt: Well, Mikael call follow up here, but there are some major differences | 22:32 |
| jeremiah | Like the fact that there are additional networking stacks | 22:32 |
| jeremiah | Like CAN, Lin, and MOST | 22:32 |
| lbt | sure... but it's the data exchange that's quite interesting | 22:32 |
| jeremiah | From what I understand, CAN is already in the Linux Kernel. | 22:33 |
| rstreif | CAN, LIN, MOST require specific hardware. | 22:33 |
| mikaelsoderberg | Foremost, its connectivity and UX that differs but there are also use cases in IVI that you would not typically see in Handset or Netbook | 22:33 |
| lbt | heck... seeing my phone's bluetooth and loading my playlist wouls be a start ;) | 22:33 |
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| mikaelsoderberg | For example, multiple audio/video zones | 22:33 |
| jeremiah | lbt: Yeah, the carmakers are very serious about getting good bluetooth interoperability. | 22:33 |
| lcuk | lbt, you mean like the carman app | 22:34 |
| rstreif | It's about time :-) | 22:34 |
| jeremiah | So that your phone will "just work" TM | 22:34 |
| lbt | *nod* but it's making th meego story compelling | 22:34 |
| lbt | that I'd like to see | 22:34 |
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| jeremiah | Yeah, imagine just moving a call from your phone to the handsfree unit of your car | 22:34 |
| lbt | lcuk: yes .... like that | 22:34 |
| jeremiah | That is pretty cool. | 22:35 |
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| niala | that's already exist no? | 22:35 |
| lcuk | thats just a bt headset embedded into cars | 22:35 |
| lbt | it seems that these UX stories need some end-2-end | 22:35 |
| lcuk | quite a lot have them now? | 22:35 |
| rstreif | There will be more fun stuff like showing your handset's screen on the IVI system's screen and using the car's controls to operate it: Terminal Mode. | 22:36 |
| lbt | are there any BOF groups to talk about this at dublin? | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | i think there's a IVI BOF | 22:36 |
| jeremiah | lcuk: I think it depends on the make and model, plus the functionality is limited. | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | i might be wrong | 22:36 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Regarding IVI, is there anyway to run in Qemu? As far as I could tell, you need a proprietary bootloader, just as with the handset image. | 22:36 |
| lbt | ie IVI+Handset+Netbook around a table | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: people ran a port of IVI to arm on beagleboard | 22:36 |
| lbt | look for the synergy | 22:37 |
| jeremiah | Alison_Chaiken: Proprietary bootloader? | 22:37 |
| jeremiah | Alison_Chaiken: You can use uboot? | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: oh you mean the n900 qemu | 22:37 |
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| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: funny fact: that same qemu has a beagleboard emulation too | 22:38 |
| jeremiah | Alison_Chaiken: The thing with Qemu is, if you want to emulate new hardware, you have to write software for that. | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | so if something boots on beagle, it would boot there too | 22:38 |
| lcuk | jeremiah, yeah i know (earlier bt answer) | 22:38 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Yes, jeremiah, I was wondering about uboot or redboot or whatever is filesystem-compatible. Can you use mic-image-creator with redboot/uboot? And do absolutely any of the ARM images run on beagleboard? | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: yes, we have an existing handset port | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | check wiki | 22:39 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I think it would be cool to have a virtual cloud of IVI, handset and netbooks running on the same host with ad hoc networking. | 22:39 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Stskeeps, I'll check the wiki. Info on bootloaders is a bit hard for me to find; keep landing on qflasher, which I don't have (yet). | 22:40 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: the handset apps are part of the OS so they're not part of same criteria | 22:41 |
| Alison_Chaiken | jeremiah, I understand that qemu is not magic. I already wasted too much time on it! Hours spent trying to get sound to work . . . a fruitful learning experience to be sure. | 22:42 |
| jeremiah | :) | 22:42 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, they best be part of the criteria | 22:43 |
| lcuk | when someone takes one of them and forks it, it should be starting from a fully compliant basis | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | good point | 22:43 |
| lcuk | otherwise all the things from these shining examples will be faulty to begin with | 22:44 |
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| Stskeeps | i still have questions regarding if the dotted package name is even possible | 22:44 |
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| lcuk | dotted package name? | 22:44 |
| Alison_Chaiken | mikaelsoderberg, would it be worth encouraging the Beagleboard folks or the PIC folks or the Make magazine folks to offer a mini-ITX Atom board as a kit? I know some of the O'Reilly/Maker Faire people a bit. They're here in the San Francisco area. | 22:45 |
| mikaelsoderberg | Alison_Chaiken: yes - definitely! | 22:45 |
| lbt | the person that introduces a package with a . in the name gets to rewrite all the automation parsing code | 22:45 |
| lcuk | heh | 22:45 |
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| * frals is curious why it breaks on . | 22:46 | |
| mikaelsoderberg | Alison_Chaiken: I think that can get a lot of interest and raise contribution. | 22:46 |
| Alison_Chaiken | mikaelsoderberg, I have to attend a boring meeting for my old job now, but I'm alchaiken@gmail.com and I will be a Nokia employee starting next month. Let's talk later on. | 22:46 |
| lbt | frals: policy states there won't be one. (IIRC) | 22:46 |
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| * lbt doesn't comment too much on 'policy' ;) | 22:47 | |
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| mikaelsoderberg | member:Alison_Chaiken: Thx. I am mikael.soderberg@pelagicore.com and as you can see, I am a colleague of Jeremiah Foster. Look forward to talk! | 22:47 |
| sergiusens | lcuk: so how is your package to be named to be compliant? | 22:47 |
| lbt | jeremiah: are you looking at the automation/orchestration stuff we're doing in Nokia ? | 22:48 |
| lcuk | sergiusens, I would personally use C grammar style naming conventions [a-zA-Z_]*[a-zA-Z0-9_] | 22:48 |
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| jeremiah | lbt: Not yet - can you tell me more? | 22:48 |
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| lcuk | i stronly dislike - . () things in names ;) | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: should attend his presentations at conference for sure | 22:48 |
| lbt | business process automation around OBS | 22:49 |
| lbt | in particular for QA | 22:49 |
| lbt | the term "BOSS" ... | 22:49 |
| sergiusens | so if it's a Nokia package it should be sth like com_nokia_myapp ? | 22:49 |
| jeremiah | What sort of QA? | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | all sorts, automated, real, etc.. | 22:49 |
| frals | lcuk: no fun if you cant have åäö?|\& in a package name tbh! | 22:49 |
| jeremiah | I mean, are you doing functional tests, or system tests? | 22:49 |
| lbt | well, nokia runs a CI process | 22:49 |
| lcuk | eek frals ! | 22:49 |
| lbt | so we do automated image builds on commit | 22:50 |
| lcuk | lbt, it runs by CI, but test builds of other things are always needed | 22:50 |
| lbt | locking out the OBS ... policy checks | 22:50 |
| jeremiah | So you're pulling from git repos? | 22:50 |
| lbt | it's much more than that | 22:50 |
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| lbt | it's a true business process definition | 22:50 |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/BOSS/Design | 22:50 |
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| lcuk | sergiusens, can we arrange a time to chat specifically | 22:51 |
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| lcuk | if you want to go over such things, I will read the rest of the current spec documents and have a better idea | 22:51 |
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| lcuk | lbt :) | 22:51 |
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| * lcuk goes and opens beer and watches TV | 22:52 | |
| sergiusens | lcuk: sure, let's do that, sometime this week perhaps? | 22:52 |
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| lcuk | yes, are you based in US? | 22:53 |
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| lcuk | ie, I am in UK and this is my evening time | 22:53 |
| sergiusens | nope UTC-3 | 22:54 |
| sergiusens | close to EST though | 22:54 |
| lbt | jeremiah: so it's orchestration. It lets you be super flexible. We use it to do things like run policy checks before build. Once a pkg builds we update our bugzilla if bugs are fixed... but only if accepted | 22:54 |
| sergiusens | nice it's 5PM here anyhow | 22:54 |
| sergiusens | so I can do a lot earlier | 22:54 |
| jeremiah | lbt: You know that Lintian and other Debian tools do a lot of this already. =) | 22:55 |
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| lbt | no they don't :) | 22:55 |
| jeremiah | Lintian is a policy checker | 22:55 |
| lbt | " it's orchestration. " | 22:55 |
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| lbt | it's not a policy checker | 22:55 |
| jeremiah | Lintian? | 22:55 |
| lbt | it *runs* a policy checker | 22:55 |
| lbt | BOSS | 22:55 |
| lcuk | sergiusens, drop me a mail to gary.birkett@collabora.co.uk with a sprinkling of the current spec documents and we can have a chat on Friday? | 22:55 |
| lbt | BOSS doesn't check policy | 22:55 |
| lbt | BOSS runs the correct policy checker | 22:55 |
| sergiusens | lcuk: will do | 22:56 |
| lcuk | I found a nice ABI checker tool today hosted on LF | 22:56 |
| lbt | Lintian complains when fed an rpm/spec ;) | 22:56 |
| jeremiah | As well it should. | 22:56 |
| jeremiah | It is meant for debs | 22:56 |
| lcuk | lbt, do you have backlog from #meego-qa-tools to post a link, i thought of Jeremiah today when I found it | 22:56 |
| lbt | but we do have projects that use both... as you can Himagine ;) | 22:56 |
| lcuk | cos its something that would run about same time as lintian | 22:56 |
| jeremiah | Debian also has cowbuilder | 22:57 |
| lbt | lcuk: which bit? | 22:57 |
| lbt | jeremiah: yeah... I know | 22:57 |
| lcuk | i posted a link to ABI tools | 22:57 |
| lcuk | about 2pm today | 22:57 |
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| fiferboy | HEy wazd | 22:58 |
| lbt | jeremiah: actually the closest thing to BOSS in ruby is "bash" | 22:58 |
| jeremiah | lbt: Where is the BOSS code kept? | 22:58 |
| lbt | follow that wiki page | 22:58 |
| jeremiah | cool | 22:58 |
| lbt | because bash runs other commands | 22:58 |
| lbt | and lets you script them | 22:58 |
| lbt | and pipe input/output | 22:59 |
| lbt | and fork | 22:59 |
| jeremiah | sounds great | 22:59 |
| lbt | and raise alerts | 22:59 |
| lbt | and .... | 22:59 |
| lbt | and BOSS does that | 22:59 |
| jeremiah | Does it make coffee | 22:59 |
| lbt | over AMQP | 22:59 |
| lcuk | lbt, did you also see the cucumber automation tool the qa-tools are using? :D | 22:59 |
| lbt | lcuk: yeah... we'd like to get some of it into our internal suites | 22:59 |
| lcuk | yeah, I thought the qa-tools were being geared to be one of the stages of BOSS anyway | 23:00 |
| lbt | lcuk: they will be | 23:00 |
| lcuk | :) good to know | 23:00 |
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| lbt | jeremiah: anyhow... ping me if you're interested. The objective is to make it easier for vendors to wrap the OBS and stuff into the way they do business.... not force them to change | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: it can increase deliveries of coffee to the developers if there's too many bugs or failed test cases | 23:00 |
| lcuk | anyway, next 2 episodes of Castle to watch | 23:00 |
| lcuk | gnite guys \o | 23:01 |
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| lbt | http://tinyurl.com/just-shut-up-about-coffee-OK | 23:01 |
| jeremiah | lbt: I think we're definitely interested, we'd like an "automotive" OBS | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: sorry, forgot :P | 23:01 |
| lbt | :D | 23:01 |
| jeremiah | lbt: Nice picture | 23:02 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: did you try to wire it into BOSS and then that happened? | 23:02 |
| lbt | jeremiah: I really hope it would be useful for you... I've designed it wrong if it's not :) | 23:02 |
| lbt | no... the problem is that BOSS isn't up yet :( | 23:02 |
| jeremiah | I'm sure it will be. | 23:02 |
| auke | lbt: epic photograph | 23:02 |
| Noobmonk3y | ahhh lucky is hiding in here :p | 23:02 |
| Noobmonk3y | lcuky* | 23:02 |
| auke | lbt: what coffee maker is that actually that is entirely gutted? lol | 23:03 |
| lbt | Gaggia synchrony digital .... 8 yrs old now | 23:03 |
| lbt | it's wonderful | 23:03 |
| auke | aw | 23:03 |
| auke | I'm dreading the day that my breville dies | 23:04 |
| lbt | it is getting a complete new set of seals :) | 23:04 |
| auke | but then, I can buy something better :D | 23:04 |
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| auke | I just spent 400USD on a rancilio grinder | 23:04 |
| * Stskeeps just wants to buy a coffee machine with timer.. | 23:04 | |
| lbt | a man with taste :) | 23:04 |
| jeremiah | I drink tea. :/ | 23:05 |
| lbt | and one without | 23:05 |
| auke | haha | 23:05 |
| lbt | and .... an america | 23:05 |
| lbt | n | 23:05 |
| auke | tea at work | 23:05 |
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| auke | the coffee at intel is mediocre at best | 23:05 |
| auke | espresso at home :D | 23:05 |
| dolppp | oh yeah 1.1 | 23:05 |
| lbt | I admit I do tall black + double cream | 23:05 |
| auke | rule #1 in my cup: nothing but coffee | 23:06 |
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| dm8tbr | auke: get an 'twist' then you can make espresso everywhere you can get boiling water | 23:06 |
| lbt | ah ... with a nice creme on top and cream inside .... yummy | 23:06 |
| auke | dm8tbr: I'm 5 minutes from home at work... I can drive home if I really need a fixer upper :) | 23:07 |
| lbt | or a little 1 cup filter maker... the office will hate you. | 23:07 |
| auke | I used to do french press at work | 23:07 |
| auke | kid #2 made me realize caffeine is not a source of energy | 23:07 |
| lbt | <grin> | 23:07 |
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| jeremiah | Okay everyone - have to go, it's late here. :) | 23:08 |
| lbt | o/ | 23:08 |
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| lbt | also... FYI .. community OBS is about up | 23:09 |
| lbt | the real one | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | cron got in place? | 23:09 |
| auke | lbt: goodie, tell me when I can throw xfce in there... | 23:09 |
| lbt | no... I gave up and FJDI | 23:09 |
| auke | it's been dropped from trunk so it needs a new home asap | 23:09 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: so provided you have an old enough account, it works? | 23:11 |
| lbt | yeah ... about 3 days ago | 23:11 |
| lbt | don't change your meego.com passwd ;) | 23:11 |
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| leinir | Ooh, community OBS? :) | 23:14 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: should we stress test it with a v6+vfp build? ;P | 23:16 |
| lbt | want to? | 23:16 |
| lbt | it would be good to | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | tempting.. | 23:16 |
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| lbt | we have Tb of disk | 23:17 |
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| Stskeeps | hrm, my meego.com login doesn't work | 23:18 |
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| lbt | where ? | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | cbuild | 23:18 |
| lbt | ah | 23:18 |
| lbt | sec | 23:18 |
| lbt | k | 23:19 |
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| dolppp | didnt have time to buy microsd card today but ho harm since 1.1 seems to be no go :P | 23:20 |
| nocturnal | oh wait, 1.1 is a no go? what does that mean? | 23:20 |
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| nocturnal | because i've been having major issues with it | 23:21 |
| nocturnal | i just came here to ask about why when following the N900/Install/MMC guide on the wiki i just get a black screen with a linux boot error or something. what i'm worried about is not the kernel flashing but the mmc install of the raw image because i've used dd on both os x and debian now, since os x has different endianness. | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | what image? | 23:22 |
| nocturnal | both finish with no errors but i can't mount or view the partition table. | 23:22 |
| DawnFoster | 1.1 is still scheduled for this week | 23:22 |
| nocturnal | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.3.20101026.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ | 23:22 |
| nocturnal | well, i can, fdisk says it's Linux type 85 | 23:23 |
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| nocturnal | or 83 | 23:23 |
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| nocturnal | but i can't mount it | 23:23 |
| nocturnal | to check if it works | 23:23 |
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| auke | it's btrfs | 23:24 |
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| nocturnal | auke: oooh | 23:24 |
| nocturnal | thanks | 23:24 |
| auke | cat /proc/filesystems to see if your distro supports it | 23:25 |
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| nocturnal | it doesn't, but thanks a lot for the help | 23:25 |
| nocturnal | explains a lot | 23:25 |
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| djszapi | Which is the best channel to ask about libmeegotouch framework codebase someone ? | 23:26 |
| djszapi | #meego-dev ? | 23:26 |
| auke | #meego-dev, #meego-sdk | 23:26 |
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| djszapi | ty | 23:27 |
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| nocturnal | "I have conclusively proven that btrfs is actually a blatant repackaging of reiser4 in a cover up to avoid the political disaster of supporting the code of a convicted murderer. btrfs is 81.56% similar to reiser4. Here are the steps to reproduce. Please spread the word. http://pastebin.com/ff42272d http://pastebin.com/f27912488" | 23:28 |
| nocturnal | lol | 23:28 |
| nocturnal | comment on howtoforge | 23:28 |
| auke | lawl | 23:28 |
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| auke | 70% of a filesystem is just using the OS's API to the FS layer | 23:30 |
| auke | so, good troll | 23:30 |
| auke | nocturnal: link to the article? I need a good laugh | 23:31 |
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| leinir | Hehe, i wouldn't mind seeing someone do that "analysis" on ext3 vs reiser4 ;) | 23:33 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: ok, will be client side copy so i won't do it from here.. | 23:38 |
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