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| milliams | I'm running opensuse 11.3 on my x86_64 desktop. I want to be able to develop an application for meego handset. I want to be able to test it in some sort of virtual environment (qemu or whatever). I don't want to be relient on Qt Creator (ideally I'd like to use standard CMake). Can anyone help with what I need to download and what my first steps should be? Thanks very much. | 00:09 |
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| milliams | I've tried adding the http://download.meego.com/live/devel:/tools:/sdk:/host/openSUSE_11.3/devel:tools:sdk:host.repo repo and installing the packages but they don't seem to include anything useful (i.e. no usable qmake) | 00:09 |
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| niala | milliams: hello, http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_Development_Options | 00:33 |
| milliams | niala: Hi, so I should install the files manually somewhere rather than rely on the the packages to instal things for me? | 00:35 |
| milliams | (as detailed at http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux) | 00:35 |
| lcuk | lbt, Stskeeps, any obs gods - obs accounts, myself and araujo need accounts, can you hook us up please. | 00:35 |
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| lbt | lcuk: on meego.com? | 00:39 |
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| lcuk | lbt, hm so that we can create a local OSC obs instance | 00:40 |
| bdogg64 | this question may have already been answered somewhere, but what happens to Meego-Harmattan since the official Meego from Nokia has been pushed back to 2011? | 00:41 |
| thiago | bdogg64: huh? no changes. | 00:41 |
| lbt | lcuk: hmmm | 00:41 |
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| lbt | lcuk: ask anaZ who will probably say no | 00:42 |
| lbt | in which case you can do it via the community OBS very very soon | 00:43 |
| bdogg64 | so the Meego from Nokia thats coming in 2011 is Harmattan? | 00:43 |
| lcuk | hm? why no? | 00:43 |
| thiago | bdogg64: yes | 00:43 |
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| lbt | lcuk: do you have commit rights to a meego package? | 00:43 |
| lbt | I think that is pretty much the criteria for getting an account there | 00:44 |
| lcuk | lbt, as required i can, but its likely to include additional packages | 00:44 |
| lcuk | if I have to I will get some, libmeegotouch ok? | 00:44 |
| bdogg64 | ok, so instead of it being a transitional release, it will be the full blown rpm based Meego release, just so I'm clear | 00:44 |
| thiago | bdogg64: harmattan is still deb based | 00:44 |
| lbt | lcuk: in that case I'd expect you to have it already :) | 00:44 |
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| lbt | lcuk: if you find out what the actual rules are then please educate me ;) | 00:45 |
| lcuk | ok lbt, will sleep on it and have a discussion tomorrow with a few ppl | 00:46 |
| lbt | I'd expect to find the answe here: http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure | 00:46 |
| bdogg64 | ok, thx | 00:46 |
| CosmoHill | this cobs talks? | 00:46 |
| lbt | lcuk: I think the generic answer will be community... | 00:47 |
| lcuk | lbt - its for neither public meego.com packages, nor community oss packages though - and in previous discussions the only way to do that is with the OSC local instance | 00:47 |
| lcuk | which requires an obs account | 00:47 |
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| lcuk | anyway, gnite all \o | 00:48 |
| lbt | short of hackery... osc will only do local builds of packages on the OBS server | 00:48 |
| lbt | talk to me tomorrow :) | 00:49 |
| lcuk | k, gnite | 00:49 |
| lbt | g'night | 00:49 |
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| MrCase | hi. any up to date information of how to "easily" dual boot meego on n900? | 01:25 |
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| bdogg64 | no update yet, I think more information will come out once 1.1 comes out, hopefully on the 27th | 01:26 |
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| MrCase | cool. thank you bdogg64 :). | 01:27 |
| bdogg64 | np | 01:27 |
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| oshin | do I need to repartition after dd the raw ? | 01:57 |
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| oshin | the raw was 1.9gb, the microsd is 16gb | 01:57 |
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| oshin | so the partition table in the raw won't match the actual size? | 01:57 |
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| auke | it's impossible to guess the size of the device up front | 01:58 |
| auke | so, it will never match | 01:58 |
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| smithna | Is there a way to upgrade an installed meego system via an image? | 02:00 |
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| CosmoHill | hey auke | 02:01 |
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| oshin | auke, means i should repartition the second partition right? | 02:04 |
| oshin | should I do that before i put microsd back in n900 if I didn't know cfdisk well | 02:04 |
| auke | smithna: no, not supported at this time | 02:05 |
| auke | oshin: with the proper caution, that is possible | 02:06 |
| oshin | auke, is it unnecessary ? but I'll just waste some sp | 02:06 |
| oshin | auke, n/m thanks. | 02:06 |
| smithna | auke: Thanks | 02:07 |
| auke | well, with btrfs it's not that much of a problem | 02:07 |
| auke | use parted to grow the partition | 02:07 |
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| auke | then use btrfsctl to resize the filesystem to max (can even be done after booting the fs) | 02:07 |
| oshin | i cat /proc/partitions on n900 179 8 31264768 mmcblk1 | 02:08 |
| oshin | 15663104 on mmcblk0 | 02:08 |
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| oshin | n/m I am confused | 02:09 |
| * smithna wonders if everyone installs a new image everytime they want to test updates out... | 02:09 | |
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| oshin | my mmcblk1 is 32gb? wasn't that the built-in drive? | 02:10 |
| oshin | that's 32gb, my microsd is 16gb | 02:10 |
| oshin | n/m I will try to remove and figure out.. | 02:10 |
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| oshin | strange.. i remove the microsd and when i cat /proc/partitions i only see mmcblk1 | 02:12 |
| oshin | while mount says /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs | 02:12 |
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| oshin | is that strange? | 02:12 |
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| oshin | is it safe to continue? | 02:14 |
| auke | no comment. I'm not helping you wipe your data :) | 02:15 |
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| oshin | auke, :) | 02:15 |
| oshin | auke, i dd on microsd, should I be able to mount that image? | 02:16 |
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| auke | yes, you will have to remove the sd card and re-insert it after dd-ing it | 02:16 |
| oshin | auke, I can mount it on my pc but not on n900 | 02:17 |
| oshin | i guess i need to specify a file system? | 02:17 |
| oshin | btrfs? | 02:18 |
| auke | depends on what is currently running on the n900 | 02:18 |
| oshin | auke, maemo | 02:18 |
| auke | that doesn't have btrfs support I think | 02:18 |
| oshin | I see, thanks. | 02:18 |
| auke | cat /proc/filesystems | 02:18 |
| oshin | not there, thanks. | 02:18 |
| oshin | cat /proc/partitions doesn't seem to match the actual device btw. | 02:19 |
| oshin | strange.. | 02:19 |
| oshin | what does flash jig mean? | 02:23 |
| oshin | flashing jig | 02:23 |
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| auke | I have no idea | 02:34 |
| auke | thingamajig? | 02:34 |
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| CosmoHill | the thingamajig that connects to the whatsit via the dodar? | 02:37 |
| oshin | no idea.. | 02:37 |
| oshin | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC | 02:38 |
| auke | just beware of thing two and thing one! | 02:38 |
| auke | you would not get very far! | 02:38 |
| oshin | ok, thanks | 02:38 |
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| araujo | anyone has tested latest SDK image? | 05:37 |
| araujo | for handsets ... | 05:37 |
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| wall[e] | does meego have its own wm protocol? | 06:55 |
| wall[e] | or just reuse those from freedesktop? | 06:56 |
| wall[e] | if I want to port x toolkit to it, where should I start? | 06:56 |
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| thiago | wall[e]: WM is still X | 08:04 |
| thiago | mcompositor simply knows about a few extra properties that explain whether the application is aware that it should be doing MeeGo-style client-side decorations | 08:04 |
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| wall[e] | thiago: something like extended window manager hint | 08:25 |
| wall[e] | any addition of that specific to meego? | 08:26 |
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| wall[e] | any document I should take a look? | 08:27 |
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| wall[e] | mcompositor is a part of meegotouch? does that mean it requires qt? | 08:29 |
| Charubala1920 | Hi All. I want to replace the kernel in the meego usb with a new kernel. I tried to replace the kernel with the mic-image-connverter. But the image produced by that is not bootable. Could someone please help me? | 08:29 |
| Charubala1920 | Type : I want to replace the kernel in the meego usb image with a new kernel | 08:30 |
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| jessica_ | #meego-bugs | 08:34 |
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| Charubala1920 | K. Jessica. I will file a bug. However i want to get through this now. Did anyone faced similar?. Does anyone have a hack to replace the kernel in the meego usb image ? | 08:36 |
| jessica_ | hi charubala190, you talk with me? | 08:37 |
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| Charubala1920 | Do you want me to initiate a private chat | 08:39 |
| Charubala1920 | ? | 08:39 |
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| jessica_ | sure, if you need | 08:41 |
| Charubala1920 | Jessica I am not how to start the chat. Can you initiate that? I issued /dcc chat jessica. But nothing happened | 08:42 |
| Charubala1920 | I am not sure | 08:42 |
| Charubala1920 | Can you inittiate that | 08:42 |
| Charubala1920 | ? | 08:42 |
| wall[e] | /dialog someone | 08:42 |
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| Charubala1920 | Thanks Walle | 08:43 |
| Charubala1920 | Jessica/Walle, i gave the command, /dialog jessica_. I didnt see any response. Jessica are you getting any notification for the private chat | 08:45 |
| Charubala1920 | ? | 08:45 |
| jessica_ | yes, i don't see anything | 08:46 |
| wall[e] | try /msg someone | 08:46 |
| jessica_ | ok, whether you have IM account? | 08:46 |
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| Charubala1920 | Seems /msg is accepted. But says "Insufficient arguments for command" when i give /msg jessica_. | 08:47 |
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| tomma | /msg <nick> <messsage> | 08:49 |
| Charubala1920 | Walle, the command syntax is this. /msg <nick> <message>. Jessica i just now gave a msg like that. Are you getting any message from me. Thanks tomma | 08:50 |
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| jessica_ | charubala1920, yes, i get your message | 08:53 |
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| Charubala1920 | ? | 08:57 |
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| Charubala1920 | Jessica /msg is not working for me now. when i give /msg jessica_ <messgae>. I dont see any response | 08:58 |
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| wall[e] | you can both join a channel too. | 09:08 |
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| Charubala1920 | Walle i got connected. Thanks Jessica | 09:12 |
| Charubala1920 | Sorry Thanks Walle | 09:12 |
| jessica_ | no problem, i think yi will solve your problem | 09:13 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Screenshots of HeyBuddy identi.ca client running on MeeGo netbook under qemu-kvm: http://tinyurl.com/24sty5x No mods needed by me, just ran and connected to identi.ca. Hey, PyGTK really is portable! H/T to Jezra of jezra.net, the author. | 09:22 |
| Alison_Chaiken | People who think computing is joyless should have been watching me when I installed the sucker and it just ran. Next I'll try Xchat on meego-qemu. | 09:25 |
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| sunder | hi, need help configuring evtouch | 10:03 |
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| Myrtti | sunder: not that I could help you at all, but in general it's a lot easier to help if you actually give some pointers on where exactly you need help in | 10:34 |
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| sunder | Myrtti: I am on ConnectCore iMx51 based board and my evtouch configuration is SEGFAULTing X | 10:37 |
| sunder | Myrtti: the evtouch driver is compiled for Xorg 1.8.99 and i am using Xorg 1.9.00 .. does is matter? | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | sunder: yes, it does | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | you really should be using evdev | 10:38 |
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| sunder | Stskeeps: i have tried .. could u please help? i means with the configuration | 10:38 |
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| Stskeeps | sunder: http://pastie.org/1249448 is our n900 configuration - you need to take the section about Touchscreen | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | and adjust it to your needs - start out with no "Calibration" line | 10:40 |
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| sunder | Stskeeps: Thanks, 'll check it and revert ifa nay queries.. | 10:40 |
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| Stskeeps | sunder: since you're doing meego ARM work, #meego-arm is the place for you - we don't do your homework (as in, you'll have to understand the documentation yourself), but we do guide in the right direction | 10:41 |
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| * rittk just noticed that that lenovo s10-3t has a sim-card slot | 11:26 | |
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| rittk | but seems like it doesn't supported on meego by some reason | 11:27 |
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| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4Wy7gRGgeA | 11:59 |
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| * rittk rebuilds the kernel | 12:05 | |
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| rittk | niala: have you an internal 3g modem in that lenovo thing? | 12:05 |
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| niala | hello rittk I don't have a lenova, I m fighting with asus t101 | 12:06 |
| lcuk | rittk, pop a sim in it and see if dmesg gives any reaction? | 12:07 |
| niala | s/with/again | 12:07 |
| rittk | ah | 12:07 |
| niala | hello lcuk | 12:07 |
| lcuk | hi niala | 12:08 |
| rittk | lcuk: nope. trying to rebuild the kernel with dccp and ericsson/nokia support | 12:08 |
| lcuk | ok rittk let us know how that goes, which model lenovo is it? | 12:08 |
| rittk | community says that this thing has a F3507g modem | 12:09 |
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| rittk | lcuk: s10-3t | 12:09 |
| rittk | strange thing - I have a 3g modem but have no bluetooth unit in it | 12:10 |
| lcuk | rittk, does the rest of the system appear compatible and working? | 12:10 |
| rittk | lcuk: yep. and even more stable with kernel-2.6.36 | 12:10 |
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| rittk | unpatched, though | 12:10 |
| rittk | btw, kernel from a daily repo hanging sometimes | 12:11 |
| lcuk | ok, rittk could you make sure you add your device specific notes on here: http://wiki.meego.com/Devices | 12:11 |
| lcuk | whether it works or not, next time someone with a device comes along they might have easier time than you | 12:11 |
| rittk | lcuk: didn't see that page) reading... | 12:11 |
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| rittk | who have lenovo s10-3t too? | 12:49 |
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| niala | rittk: what's wrong with s10-3t ? | 12:55 |
| rittk | niala: wanted to see someone's else lspci output | 12:56 |
| rittk | (someone else's ?) | 12:56 |
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| niala | oki :/ good luck | 12:57 |
| rittk | blessing me?) | 12:57 |
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| niala | I bless you | 12:58 |
| rittk | thanks) | 12:59 |
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| niala | only R Stallman can bless you rittk http://www.blog-note.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/richard-stallman-gourou1.jpg | 13:00 |
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| rittk | hmm, it didn't find any 3g modems ( | 13:03 |
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| denis___ | new Meego sdk image meego-handset-sdk-20101012-1.1.80.20101024.1603-sda.raw is available for downloading from meego site, but it seems like it has no startmeego and qtcreator.. So how can I develop using this image? | 13:28 |
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| lcuk | denis___, I already asked about the startmeego case on the -sdk ML earlier | 13:30 |
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| araujo | denis___, you need to install meego-simulator-launcher-handset | 13:32 |
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| lcuk | confirmed araujo :D thanks - can we add that note to the wiki | 13:35 |
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| araujo | lcuk, definitely :] | 13:36 |
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| denis___ | araujo, thnk, now it works | 13:37 |
| denis___ | are these "beginner" questions ok in this channel or they should be asked in other channel? | 13:38 |
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| lcuk | denis___, ask away, if it gets too crowded can find a better place | 13:39 |
| * lcuk gets on with that email now | 13:39 | |
| araujo | denis___, I think all-level meego questions are welcome here :) | 13:40 |
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| denis___ | ok, cool ) | 13:40 |
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| denis___ | hmm, qtcreator is not installed also, how can I install qtcreator?.. | 13:42 |
| araujo | same way you installed the launcher? | 13:43 |
| araujo | zypper in qt-creator | 13:43 |
| denis___ | ah, yes ) Tried zypper install qtcreator but that was not correct.. | 13:44 |
| Bostik | zypper search ... | 13:45 |
| Bostik | that's a good start | 13:45 |
| denis___ | Bostik, a, thanks, zypper is a quite new tool for me.. | 13:46 |
| Bostik | if you've ever used apt frontends, you will learn zypper in a flash | 13:47 |
| Bostik | most of the commands are similar enough to lower the learning curve | 13:47 |
| denis___ | I hope so | 13:47 |
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| Acidbanger | Hi guys | 14:34 |
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| CosmoHill | hello | 14:35 |
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| Acidbanger | I was going to flash MeeGo on my n900 but I found out there was no ubiimg file online ..... | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | you need a microsd | 14:35 |
| Acidbanger | -.- gay | 14:36 |
| Acidbanger | don't have that on me atm | 14:36 |
| CosmoHill | heterosexual microsd cards work just as well | 14:36 |
| Acidbanger | haha :D | 14:36 |
| CosmoHill | you also need the N900 usb cable | 14:36 |
| Acidbanger | I have the USB cable | 14:37 |
| Acidbanger | gonna try to find hte SD Card | 14:37 |
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| Acidbanger | why are we using the SD card btw and not the original way | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | cos we don't fit in 256mb flash memory | 14:38 |
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| Acidbanger | is the img bigger then 256Mb ? | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:38 |
| Acidbanger | lol | 14:38 |
| Acidbanger | used to be like 137mb right ? | 14:38 |
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| Acidbanger | so I am using the raw image now right ? | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | a base system, xorg and xterm doesn't really require much space | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:39 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: how's this: | 14:40 |
| CosmoHill | 41 * Why do you need a MicroSD card to run MeeGo on the N900? | 14:40 |
| CosmoHill | 42 - MeeGo is to large to fit on the N900's internal 256MB memory. | 14:40 |
| Acidbanger | is there a nice guide anywhere online for flashing with the sd card ? | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC | 14:41 |
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| thiago | there's a 32 GB extra memory on the N900... | 14:42 |
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| CosmoHill | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC | 14:42 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: damn you | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: yeah, but most people aren't happy to erase all their music, movies, installed programs and so on.. | 14:43 |
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| Joppeffs | is the wiki up to date as 1.3 q | 14:43 |
| Joppeffs | was released yday | 14:44 |
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| thiago | it's partitioned so that there's a 2 GB ext3 and a 29 GB vfat | 14:44 |
| thiago | and 768 MB swap | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | Joppeffs: http://blip.tv/file/4296208 | 14:44 |
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| lcuk | can meego be mounted and booted from an image file stored on the fat32 MyDocs ? | 14:45 |
| lcuk | so its not actually breaking existing? | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | no, unless you set up dm loop and a special initrd | 14:45 |
| lcuk | yes that is yes, but not easily.. :p | 14:45 |
| lcuk | (glass half full) | 14:46 |
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| CosmoHill | I wonder if the N900 can play that video better than my powerbook :/ | 14:47 |
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| Joppeffs | oh well, gonna try that | 14:55 |
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| timoph | MeeGo QA tools weekly meeting starts in about 5 minutes in #meego-meeting | 14:56 |
| timoph | feel free to join | 14:56 |
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| Tili | I am using debian on vmware. should I go for Qemu setup of xephyr? | 15:24 |
| Tili | i have nvidia card but that doesn't matter on VMware | 15:25 |
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| rittk | oFono 0.33 was released | 15:32 |
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| alvinator | Hello people! | 16:41 |
| alvinator | can anyone point me to the right link for the kickstart config files for handsets? | 16:41 |
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| alvinator | this link is already dead -- http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/images/ | 16:42 |
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| alvinator | found it | 16:44 |
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| hob | hi, which is the best option to test meego release images - qemu or chroot? | 17:10 |
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| qgil | hob, which UX are you targeting? | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: if you didn't see the dual booting video yet, http://blip.tv/file/4296208 | 17:14 |
| hob | netbook image | 17:15 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: interesting you can see the proximilty sensor flickering in your video | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: yeah, infrared | 17:16 |
| lardman | yep | 17:16 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: so that auto-boots the SD if available then? | 17:17 |
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| Stskeeps | lardman: yeah, looks for a uimage on vfat partition 3 | 17:17 |
| qgil__ | Stskeeps: a sad paradox: trying to access the video page with Chromium in MeeGo Netbook sends me to http://www.google.com/support/chrome/bin/answer.py?answer=95669&hl=en | 17:17 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 17:18 | |
| Stskeeps | ah, lovely | 17:18 |
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| qgil__ | Stskeeps: can you paste the URL again pls? | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | http://blip.tv/file/4296208 | 17:19 |
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| javispedro | or http://blip.tv/file/get/Chuci-N900DualbootingMaemoAndMeeGo117.m4v | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | if meego has codecs for it.. | 17:20 |
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| * Stskeeps makes a mental reminder to ask people to encode in theora.. | 17:22 | |
| niala | hello, yes first url works for me on meego netbook chromium. but m4v I think not by default | 17:22 |
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| javispedro | We are going to need lots of replacement battery covers soon :) | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't killed mine yet | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | there's possibility for more of a menu if you'd like to customize | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | full u-boot boot script support | 17:27 |
| javispedro | nice. | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | .. and passing parameters to kernel | 17:28 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, I think mine must have been the only one that wouldn't boot into Maemo using u-boot | 17:28 |
| Termana | Must have been destined to die to rid me of the problem | 17:29 |
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| Termana | It'll be interesting to see if it happens to anyone else once u-boot is the official way to dual boot | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | well, we need to properly test it natually | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | naturally | 17:30 |
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| Termana | Stskeeps, there's a problem with that - does the adaptation team have at least one of every revision of the n900? I'm not sure weather it was specifically mine, or something changed in the hardware revision that made it incompatible. It's a possibility it won't get caught until it's given out, and even then, it will be a hard arse problem to fix, since the person probably won't have serial access | 17:33 |
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| Stskeeps | Termana: QA has a quite extensive area and i plan to be tying u-boot with pr1.3 kernel.. | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | Termana: were you loading the uImage from sd card? | 17:33 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, I tried both methods, attached with the u-boot image and from SD | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | that's interesting | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | power kernel installed? | 17:34 |
| Termana | nope | 17:34 |
| Termana | I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole :p | 17:34 |
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| Stskeeps | good | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:34 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: are we going to have an "install fest" at the conference? | 17:37 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: maybe | 17:40 |
| lbt | are you going early ? Sat/sun ? | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | landing sunday | 17:41 |
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| lbt | 'k | 17:41 |
| Myrtti | awwwwwww | 17:42 |
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| Termana | lbt, make it more interesting - run apache on MeeGo on your n900 and allow people to connect to your n900 over wifi, and host the image on it | 17:45 |
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| Termana | Forget the fact that it will be half curling over from swapping having MeeGo and Apache, and also forget the fact Apache isn't ported for MeeGo ARM (afaik). | 17:46 |
| Termana | :p | 17:46 |
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| * lbt runs lighttpd on his N900 | 17:47 | |
| lbt | :D | 17:47 |
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| Myrtti | Stskeeps: is there a sane way of encoding theora anyway? I tried mencoder but my brain segfaulted looking for a way | 17:53 |
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| Stskeeps | Myrtti: ffmpeg2theora is nice and eas | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | y | 17:53 |
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| Jartza | hmmh | 18:11 |
| Jartza | all went well with the update | 18:11 |
| Jartza | browsers feels much faster | 18:12 |
| iekku | n900? | 18:12 |
| Jartza | yep | 18:12 |
| Myrtti | hm, I wonder should I have picked a slightly worse quality of video | 18:12 |
| Myrtti | this is going to take forever | 18:12 |
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| SwedeMike | after the upgrade it went back to stock kernel instead of the power kernel I used to have, I wonder if I tried the power save settings too much, because phone feels much quicker. What are you all running, stock kernel or the power one? | 18:22 |
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| SwedeMike | oh, sorry, wrong channel | 18:22 |
| Jartza | oh yeah, same here :) | 18:23 |
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| rittk | wasted two hours to understand why my internal 3g modem isn't supported...googling, reading, patching the kernel - nothing helps... | 19:01 |
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| rittk | and finally the answer! | 19:01 |
| rittk | someone stole 3g unit | 19:02 |
| rittk | b????s | 19:02 |
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| Linex | whats taking meego so long to get on a phone ? I can't wait to dump my symbian phone. | 19:26 |
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| ml-mobile | It's still in development | 19:27 |
| ml-mobile | Nokia will have a meego phone next year, othwr vendors have yet to announce anything | 19:27 |
| markatto | I gave in and bought an evo, tired of waiting :( | 19:28 |
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| markatto | I will of course regret my decision when the n9 or whatever the first meego device is, especially if it is cortex-a9 | 19:29 |
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| milliams | Trying to run the recent handset image with QEMU I get: ./meego-qemu-start: line 64: 9854 Segmentation fault `echo $COMMON_CMD -hda $IMAGE_NAME` | 19:35 |
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| milliams | (following http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_with_QEMU#Setup_QEMU-based_MeeGo_Emulator) | 19:37 |
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| milliams | I haven't tried the netbook image yet but I'm going to once it's downloaded | 19:39 |
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| Linex | no intel chip on a phone ? :-) | 19:52 |
| ml-mobile | not for a while I imagine | 19:53 |
| ml-mobile | they're still way behind in power consumption | 19:53 |
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| niala | http://forum.meego.com/ is down ? | 19:55 |
| ml-mobile | yes, I believe it shares a server with talk.maemo.org...? and that's toast too. | 19:56 |
| CosmoHill | niala: oui | 19:56 |
| niala | arghh | 19:56 |
| niala | hello CosmoHill | 19:56 |
| CosmoHill | bonsoir | 19:56 |
| niala | how are you. | 19:56 |
| CosmoHill | je vias bien, merci | 19:57 |
| CosmoHill | et toi? | 19:57 |
| niala | I'm fine. c'est la vie | 19:57 |
| CosmoHill | vie? | 19:57 |
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| niala | life | 19:58 |
| CosmoHill | ah merci | 19:58 |
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| niala | I have some pb with mic . I can not do my own meego.iso | 19:59 |
| niala | I have already do some and today: UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 13: ordinal not in range(128) | 20:00 |
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| RST38h | well 0xC3 is a wrongascii code indeed | 20:01 |
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| loufoque | is there any phone I could purchase if I want meego? | 20:03 |
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| niala | yes and why he says me that today? ks file in wrong format? | 20:03 |
| niala | loufoque: n900 I suppose | 20:04 |
| loufoque | I thought meego on N900 wasn't officially supported | 20:05 |
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| ml-mobile | it isn't | 20:05 |
| ml-mobile | but it is the reference device | 20:05 |
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| milliams | OK, so following http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux (I'm on openSUSE 11.3 x86_64) I've managed to cross-compile the qt example to ARM. What's the next step for running it in an emulator? Doing meego-qemu-start with the images at http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux just segfaults. | 20:31 |
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| auke | fix the segfault, would be the next step :) | 20:31 |
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| milliams | heh :) | 20:34 |
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| milliams | In fact it's stranger than that. If I manually run the command that meego-qemu-start is doing then I get http://pastebin.com/y5F24XCY which is strange because it looks like it's ignoring some of the arguments or something.. Anyone else seen this? | 20:38 |
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| topro | hi, is there a special channel for meego-on-n900 or is this the right place to ask? | 21:13 |
| ml-mobile | try #meego-arm | 21:13 |
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| theplic | the #meego-leg really kicks some arse | 21:17 |
| stephg | hoho | 21:17 |
| * stephg it's actually suspiciously quiet in -arm at the moment | 21:18 | |
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| CosmoHill | stephg: shout something | 21:18 |
| CosmoHill | btw was it you who made the dual boot n900 video? | 21:19 |
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| stephg | my video, ali1234 and Stskeeps work | 21:19 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, how many computers would it take to fill the batcave? | 21:20 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: depends which decade you get it from | 21:21 |
| milliams | and this is the backtrace from the crash: http://pastebin.com/DTsdhcVd | 21:21 |
| lcuk | well assume its quite an old cave | 21:21 |
| lcuk | :P | 21:21 |
| CosmoHill | about a dozen? | 21:21 |
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| stephg | btw anyone know exactly why the forum has gone down the tubes? can't just be because of Maemo PR1.3 traffic can it? | 21:29 |
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| CosmoHill | stephg: talk.maemo.something has gone down too | 21:30 |
| stephg | CosmoHill, yeah they're on the same infrastructure, that's why I was wondering | 21:30 |
| CosmoHill | I thought the download the download server and forum server are different | 21:31 |
| stephg | it's just it's the second day of forum flakeyness and it's launching tomorrow... | 21:31 |
| stephg | they may be:- just that TMO and FMC flakiness coinciding is more than a bit odd | 21:31 |
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| lcuk | stephg, talk and forum are on same server | 21:33 |
| stephg | so chicken or egg ;) | 21:33 |
| lcuk | and do not underestimate the hoards of people wanting to jump onto threads | 21:33 |
| lcuk | regiie posted the load from the server on twitter last night afaik | 21:34 |
| lcuk | reggie | 21:34 |
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| stephg | lcuk, can appreciate the TMO excitement, especially given the, ahem, voracity of some of the posters | 21:35 |
| CosmoHill | stephg: dinosaur | 21:35 |
| stephg | heh | 21:36 |
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| sjokkis | CosmoHill: there was a lecture at the university today regarding improving your memory, in order to do better at exams. guess who forgot to go | 22:02 |
| CosmoHill | it's either you or your teacher | 22:02 |
| sjokkis | me. but i'm guessing i wasn't the only one | 22:02 |
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| CosmoHill | they changed our university rules | 22:03 |
| CosmoHill | if you miss an exam or dead line you score zero for that and you're not allowed a resit | 22:04 |
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| CosmoHill | unless you have a very good reason | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | hrm, sprint joining meego | 22:04 |
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| CosmoHill | I wonder if I can buy a crashed car and some fake blood... | 22:06 |
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| sjokkis | what is going on? i'm logged into meego.com, i go to wiki.meego.com, it asks me to log in, i click log in, it sends me back to meego.com, and when i navigate to wiki.meego.com i'm asked to log in again | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | old bug | 22:17 |
| sjokkis | i've had this problem for days, and it's becoming more and more urgent that i sign myself up for one of the shared rooms | 22:17 |
| CosmoHill | sjokkis: logout then log in again | 22:17 |
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| sjokkis | CosmoHill: thank you | 22:20 |
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| CosmoHill | sjokkis: I got so confused when I saw the log in and log out button at the same time | 22:23 |
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| qgil__ | Stskeeps: is this hardfp going to 1.2, then? I don't see the big deal either | 22:39 |
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| thiago | probably have simply two builds | 22:41 |
| thiago | I've been asking the same question to linaro folks here at UDS | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | arjan has a point to some degree, the hardfp work is 'very new' | 22:42 |
| thiago | harmattan has switched to it | 22:43 |
| stephg | ^that was going to be my question | 22:43 |
| thiago | apparently firefox has an issue. That's as far as I know the only one. | 22:43 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago: could you ask them a simple question: is linaro toolchain going to be hardfp as primary point of reference? | 22:45 |
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| thiago | Stskeeps: explain | 22:46 |
| thiago | what do you mean by that? | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so, linaro delivers their toolchain and a reference stack which vendors can build their closed components and so on on top of | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | (to my knowledge) | 22:46 |
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| Stskeeps | if their plan is to stick with softfp or hardfp in the things they provide | 22:46 |
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| Stskeeps | because if they're going for hardfp, there's really no doubt that we have to go hardfp too | 22:47 |
| lbt | qgil__: OBS naming... any issues with build.pub.meego.com as per : http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1671 | 22:49 |
| thiago | I asked the question | 22:49 |
| thiago | so the toolchain supports hardfp | 22:49 |
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| thiago | whether they have a Linaro hardfp build is not a decision from the toolchain team | 22:49 |
| thiago | but it's something they're considering | 22:49 |
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| qgil__ | lbt: do you mind asking via email to -community? :) | 22:50 |
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| qgil__ | looks fine to me here and now but better go through more visible discussion | 22:51 |
| lbt | sure... | 22:51 |
| lbt | CosmoHill: ping | 22:51 |
| qgil__ | thiago: I understand the reasoning not to introduce it in 1.1.x, wouldn't it too bad if it enters in 1.2 | 22:52 |
| qgil__ | thiago: or am I missing something? | 22:52 |
| * thiago agrees | 22:52 | |
| thiago | I actually recommended doing it for 1.2 | 22:52 |
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| qgil__ | thiago: ok, I got confused in the thread, thenç | 22:52 |
| thiago | the best would be if 1.1 switched now | 22:52 |
| thiago | but that's not gonna happen :-) | 22:53 |
| * thiago needs to go talk to arjan f2f on Thursday | 22:53 | |
| Stskeeps | qgil__: the problem is that it is essentially like adding a new architecture, like MIPS .. | 22:53 |
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| qgil__ | Stskeeps: I'm not an architect :) but if Harmattan is shipping with it I guess they had reasons to do that, and since it's going to a real product I guess they are taking care of the QA related to that | 22:54 |
| qgil__ | Stskeeps: then again app developers will have to recompile anyway between MeeGo 1.2 and MeeGo-Harmattan, so I don't even see the big worry for them during 1.2, if you push me :) | 22:55 |
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| andyross | Isn't the worry that it breaks forward compatibility from earlier MeeGo binaries, not that it forces a recompile per se. | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | andyross: basically | 22:55 |
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| Stskeeps | if meego 1.1 for some reason is a success in ARM market, ISVs, SoC vendors would build binaries and for 1.2, they'd be worthless.. and then we have the problem of "For MeeGo 1.1" "For MeeGo 1.2" .. | 22:58 |
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| thiago | I think the boat has sailed on changing 1.1 | 23:00 |
| thiago | that one ises softfp | 23:00 |
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| thiago | the question is how to go forward. There's a huge CPU stall on doing softfp. If you don't care about compatibility with ARMv5, you should use the FPU. | 23:00 |
| qgil__ | Stskeeps: ARM success would imply either Handset or Tablet most likely - whoever gets doen that path for 1.1 knows that will need to add some work | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, quite a fair bit of work | 23:00 |
| thiago | numbers I've heard here are that it improves apps between 5% to 30% | 23:00 |
| thiago | and some apps that are fp-intensive (like povray) up to 300% | 23:01 |
| lbt | mmm povray | 23:01 |
| * wmarone raytraces on his N900 | 23:01 | |
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| Stskeeps | the developer story sucks intensely with this break, but then again: we already mandate compliance towards a certain version (1.1, 1.2..), with no promises in compliance doc on ABI stability... and in the end: it's just adding a new build target to your OBS or selecting the right option in the SDK | 23:02 |
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| berndhs | qgil__: can the people with some inside knowledge determine if there actually are any ARM targets for 1.1 that matter, from the compatibility issue that Stskeeps shows ? | 23:02 |
| qgil__ | then again, if this is an ARM-only issue, therefore affecting mainly Handset / Tablet and in the meantime Harmattan is already using it.... I can see how the risk and heat could be taken by the MeeGo ARM team - but this is easy speculation from my side :) | 23:02 |
| * thiago points out that there are some ARM netbooks circulating here in Orlando | 23:02 | |
| Stskeeps | berndhs: i can't tell who will start building anything based on meego 1.1 arm in the future | 23:02 |
| thiago | running on NVidia Tegra II | 23:03 |
| berndhs | Stskeeps: that's sort of my point, nobody knwos if there will be any in the next 6 months or so | 23:03 |
| wmarone | was there a reason this wasn't discussed months ago? | 23:03 |
| qgil__ | berndhs: no idea, I work at Nokia and beyond that I only know what you can read too in the Internet | 23:03 |
| berndhs | Stskeeps: but perhaps if meego announces a compatibility change to 1.2, there won't be for another few months | 23:03 |
| zumbi_ | thiago: I got one running arround freescale imx51 (genesi smartbook) | 23:04 |
| thiago | I think at this point we need to treat it as a new arch | 23:04 |
| qgil__ | berndhs: I don't think an ARM vendr would change plans for this hrdfp being implemented now or later | 23:04 |
| thiago | we'll figure out how to deprecate softfp later | 23:04 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago: well, we ditched armv5 silently for meego 1.1 ;) | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | so there's a previous occourence | 23:05 |
| thiago | I never considered the ARMv5 build serious | 23:05 |
| thiago | there was a dissonance in having OpenGL ES required and ARMv5 | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, we have to be at least at armv6+vfp for those to appear.. | 23:05 |
| berndhs | thiago: yes say its an additional arch and tell people how great this is, meego has 3 now | 23:05 |
| thiago | maybe more in the future | 23:06 |
| thiago | I see a MIPS down the line... | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | but the 'adding another arch' direction is the only way technically | 23:06 |
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| qgil__ | makes sense | 23:06 |
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| thiago | btw, does anyone have the ARM build and can run readelf -A on libQtCore for me, please? | 23:06 |
| berndhs | Stskeeps: make it look like an advantage then | 23:06 |
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| zumbi_ | you could invest time in providing optimized libs via hwcaps -- /me questions | 23:07 |
| thiago | zumbi_: not if it's an ABI-changing option | 23:07 |
| thiago | unless you want to duplicate *all* libraries and plugins on the device | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: sec | 23:07 |
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| qgil__ | lbt CosmoHill and what can be found at 'pub.meego.com'? | 23:07 |
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| lbt | I'd redirect that to build.pub.meego.com | 23:08 |
| qgil__ | lbt: and why not call it pub.meego.com directly? | 23:08 |
| lbt | or.... we could have beer as in free ? | 23:08 |
| lbt | we have api.pub.meego.com | 23:08 |
| thiago | beer.pub.meego.com | 23:08 |
| lbt | and download.pub.meego.com | 23:08 |
| lbt | together these are the OBS web services | 23:08 |
| berndhs | i support beer.pub.meego.com | 23:09 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago: http://pastie.org/1250985 | 23:09 |
| lbt | berndhs: I do thing the redirect after 10 seconds page could be entertaining ;) | 23:09 |
| qgil__ | lbt: I think you are just baptizing your Surrounds as MeeGo Pub, which doesn't sound bad to me :) | 23:10 |
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| thiago | Stskeeps: thanks | 23:10 |
| lbt | heh... it's kinda related | 23:11 |
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| thiago | no Neon requirements there | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: yeah, armv7 is currently without neon | 23:11 |
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| lbt | Surrounds may become a project in pub | 23:11 |
| thiago | I know | 23:11 |
| thiago | but the thing is that Qt turns it back on | 23:11 |
| thiago | unless the option is disabled specifically in configure | 23:11 |
| thiago | do you know if we specifically turn Neon off? | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: i think configure takes it away.. sec | 23:12 |
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| Stskeeps | speaking of nvidia tegra2 .. it doesn't have NEON does it? | 23:13 |
| * thiago needs to change rooms | 23:13 | |
| thiago | bb in 5 min | 23:13 |
| * qgil__ has for lunch this Soup Chowder Clam New Engand that says "Sell by 10/24/10" and was in my refrigerator for a week - hope to see you in Dublin! :) | 23:14 | |
| bunk | Stskeeps: no NEON on tegra2 | 23:14 |
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| jobermayr | lbt: How do I get access to build.meego.com. I have an account for build.opensuse.org. | 23:14 |
| wmarone | is NEON a separately licensed IP from the A9 core? | 23:14 |
| lbt | jobermayr: you gain commit rights to a core meego package :) | 23:14 |
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| lbt | jobermayr: for the community OBS ... you keep waiting :( Sorry | 23:15 |
| lbt | (really not long now I hope) | 23:15 |
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| jobermayr | lbt: djszapi asked for help preparing kdelibs4 for meego. | 23:15 |
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| lbt | jobermayr: see msg | 23:18 |
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| thiago | back | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | wb | 23:18 |
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| thiago | the configure script turns neon off? (-no-neon) | 23:20 |
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| Stskeeps | right, i was going to look at the build log | 23:22 |
| thiago | spec file should be enough | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | while i look, how did the autodetect-neon stuff go? | 23:23 |
| thiago | if it's on automatic, it adds -mfpu=neon to the compiler and then tries to compile a program with the intrinsics | 23:24 |
| thiago | if that works, then it concludes Neon is available | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: http://pastie.org/1251015 | 23:25 |
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| Stskeeps | (search for neon) | 23:26 |
| thiago | yeah | 23:26 |
| thiago | interesting, the issue here is the order of the parameters | 23:26 |
| thiago | otherwise neon would've been enabled | 23:26 |
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| MeeGoExperts | Evening all. | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | evenin' | 23:40 |
| MeeGoExperts | :-) | 23:40 |
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| MeeGoExperts | stskeeps: I see your getting to #MeegoConf on Sunday ? I'm landing on Sunday as well :-) | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | yeah - i need to re-check the time, did the booking a while ago | 23:43 |
| * thiago lands on Sunday too | 23:43 | |
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| maxamillion | are there any meego developer devices that can be purchased at this time or are those still slated for a later date? | 23:44 |
| MeeGoExperts | I'm WELL looking forward to it. | 23:44 |
| Stskeeps | maxamillion: n900's a developer device for meego :) | 23:44 |
| maxamillion | I've seen the N900 and I'd rather not pay that price for a last gen phone, and I saw the Aava but I can't find a way to buy one | 23:44 |
| maxamillion | Stskeeps: yeah, but the hardware really doesn't warrant the price tag | 23:44 |
| thiago | Aava are not production devices | 23:45 |
| MeeGoExperts | As far as i know there won't be anything on sale. Could be wrong. | 23:45 |
| thiago | they are development boards | 23:45 |
| Stskeeps | maxamillion: if you add up what a beagleboard, a 32gb flash chip, camera module, touchscreen and 3g gsm modem costs in off-the-shelf, it's decent.. | 23:45 |
| lbt | I thought the aava had gfx issues for meego ? | 23:45 |
| maxamillion | Stskeeps: I suppose | 23:45 |
| thiago | it does | 23:46 |
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| maxamillion | hrmmm.... | 23:47 |
| maxamillion | I'll look into it next pay check I suppose | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | out of curiousity, what do you think the n900 price is ? | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | (don't look) | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:48 |
| maxamillion | Stskeeps: $400 | 23:48 |
| maxamillion | Stskeeps: at least that's what it was last time I looked | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: might be lower some places | 23:49 |
| maxamillion | and according to amazon.com I am off by a penny | 23:49 |
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| tranqenstein | I recently picked up a used N900 for $225, what a deal! | 23:50 |
| tranqenstein | barely a scratch on it | 23:50 |
| maxamillion | interesting | 23:51 |
| berndhs | tranqenstein: did the owner fight back ? does that explain the scratches ? | 23:51 |
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| tranqenstein | he was working at zynga and they made him switch to android... I think the N900 was his personal choice. but, he decided he'd rather let someone else use his n900 than let it sit around. | 23:55 |
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| tranqenstein | I've seen a few other slightly used n900 on CL and Ebay. I think they are a great deal, but its hard to know if they have had any damage or have been dropped. | 23:56 |
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| maxamillion | I'll look around | 23:58 |
| maxamillion | I'm on an android device now and I don't dislike Android, but I'd much prefer a standard GNU/Linux system in my pocket ... just seems fun, and I'm a big Qt4 fan so that helps too | 23:59 |
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