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niala | bonne serie et b nuit | 00:03 |
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niala | oups sorry | 00:03 |
niala | good night | 00:04 |
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Umeaboy | Hi! | 01:47 |
Umeaboy | Anyone awake here? | 01:48 |
Umeaboy | I installed Moblin (a.k.a Meego) in Virtualbox and as I boot I see the Moblin-logo, but nothing else happens. | 01:49 |
Umeaboy | What's wrong? | 01:49 |
CosmoHill | Moblin != Meego | 01:51 |
CosmoHill | Also Meego requires 3D acceleration which virtualbox is unable to support it :) | 01:52 |
rittk | so comprehensive problem description... | 01:53 |
araujo | Umeaboy, did you do the step of replacing libglx as explained here: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox ? | 01:53 |
Umeaboy | It's not installed in a netbook. | 01:54 |
Umeaboy | A desktop. | 01:55 |
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rittk | who manages that carrick thing? | 01:56 |
araujo | Umeaboy, uh? | 01:56 |
araujo | Umeaboy, those are the instructions to install meego netbook in a virtual box environment (no matter desktop, laptop, whatever) | 01:57 |
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Umeaboy | Okey. | 01:58 |
Umeaboy | gunzip? Why isn'r unrar used? | 01:58 |
Umeaboy | And does it really matter where I download the so.gz-file TO? | 01:59 |
rittk | gzip is free, rar isn't | 01:59 |
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Umeaboy | rittk: The Linux-version of unrar is free. ;) | 02:00 |
Umeaboy | I AM running Linux. | 02:00 |
rittk | Umeaboy: right. but how to rar this? | 02:00 |
Umeaboy | Just wanted to see what Meego looked like with my own eyes. | 02:00 |
CosmoHill | gunzip, bzip2 and xz :) | 02:03 |
rittk | try#2: who manages that carrick thing? | 02:05 |
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CosmoHill | cyas | 02:45 |
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pupnik | who here is from the usa | 03:17 |
pupnik | they shouldn't be allowed here | 03:17 |
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araujo | ? | 03:19 |
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lpotter | ermmm.. right | 04:16 |
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timoph | Myrtti: thanks for http://blip.tv/file/4275339 | 07:54 |
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foreach | Hi, most of meego tutorials are failed to build, how to fix it? | 11:16 |
lcuk | foreach, could you narrow it down to specific items and urls perhaps | 11:17 |
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lcuk | since your single note is not very specific | 11:17 |
foreach | lcuk, sorry, one moment please | 11:17 |
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foreach | I installed meego sdk according to this page http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux and then I tried to build this tutorial in QtCreator http://apidocs.meego.com/mtf/tutorial.html But building of this tutorial failed with error like "Could not find QApplicationPage::appear(QScene...) method" | 11:22 |
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kedz | foreach, QApplicationPage ? that tutorial contains MApplicationPage not QApplicationPage ... | 11:24 |
foreach | kedz, yes, MApplicationPage | 11:24 |
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foreach | I also downloaded libmeegotouch source code from http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/libmeegotouch and tried to build examples from there, but almost all of these examples are also failed to build | 11:27 |
rittk | who manages the carrick code ? | 11:27 |
rittk | hi all, btw | 11:28 |
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zinit | is there an easy way to get the meego image to start in virtualbox? | 11:33 |
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zinit | (the netbook image that is) | 11:33 |
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Bostik | sure, when it first starts to boot up, hit esc+e to edit the kernel load cmd | 11:34 |
Bostik | remove the "quiet" keyword, that should give you some kind of terminal even if the bugger otherwise tries to misbehave | 11:34 |
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zinit | first I need to get virtualbox to accept the .img file... or convert it to .iso so I can boot the VM from it. | 11:36 |
zinit | running debian on my desktop here | 11:37 |
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Bostik | didn't it have an .iso to install from? | 11:38 |
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Bostik | let's check | 11:38 |
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zinit | no. just a .img file. (had to dd it to the usb stick to isntall it on my netbook. | 11:39 |
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zinit | runs great on the aspire one A110 | 11:39 |
Bostik | that's pretty odd, I installed an from an .iso image but can't find the page | 11:40 |
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Bostik | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox | 11:41 |
Bostik | ah, it is an .iso but just with different extension | 11:41 |
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zinit | there is on at the opensuse ftp site. | 11:42 |
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RST38h | ' | 11:43 |
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zinit | downloading that one now to check | 11:44 |
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zinit | crap... the usual: unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your cpu. (the pc is a core2duo...) | 11:58 |
zinit | works on the netbook that has an atom, is there a way to trick it to believe the VM is a "appropriate" cpu? | 11:58 |
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zinit | there we go:) switch off the intel cpu VM stuff, then it came | 12:01 |
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zinit | was PAE that had to be enabled for it to boot the kernel. X wont start though... | 12:20 |
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Myrtti | timoph: http://blip.tv/file/4291065 | 12:22 |
timoph | cool | 12:22 |
zinit | just hangs isntead of starting X | 12:23 |
Myrtti | there probably won't be further recordings, I don't have time for doing them | 12:23 |
zinit | could be something in grub.conf or the x config | 12:23 |
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zinit | the installation went fine though... | 12:24 |
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timoph | Myrtti: I have a cam available so I could record the next sessions | 12:30 |
Myrtti | great | 12:31 |
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lcuk | morning konttori_work \o | 12:53 |
konttori_work | lcuk, morning | 12:58 |
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lcuk | konttori_work, at the recent Helsinki meego meetup, there was an overview of QML stuff and there were people from both camps (all qt with qml as binding, or all qml with js for heavy lifting) | 13:01 |
lcuk | which side of the fence do you prefer at the moment? | 13:01 |
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niala | hi, | 13:05 |
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konttori_work | Ah, personally, I see that as case by case. I would honestly prefer that we have a good solid story for the all qml approach (plus plugins for some fancy stuff), and yet, I see many benefits in sometimes doing only ui with qml (also in this case+fancy plugins for fancy stuff). | 13:07 |
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konttori_work | lcuk, you should have contacted me when you were here in helsinki. I would have loved to have a chat. | 13:09 |
lcuk | yeah konttori_work there was a lovely all qml implementation of a login system, looked very slick | 13:09 |
RST38h | But does all-qml approach work at the moment? | 13:09 |
lcuk | we were both a bit busy, when I spotted you you were heavy in a meeting | 13:09 |
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RST38h | I've checked QtQuick/QML thing last week and it seems to be missing a lot of stuff (mostly non-UI-related) | 13:09 |
RST38h | Namely, I have been trying to figure out how to 1) capture a video in QML and 2) submit data via HTTP in QML | 13:10 |
konttori_work | lcuk, oh crap. next time for sure then. | 13:10 |
lcuk | yeah RST38h I saw that, its just making sure the API can support the usecases required and think it will come with time | 13:10 |
lcuk | absolutely | 13:10 |
RST38h | But I suspect that there are way more scenarios like these | 13:10 |
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konttori_work | RST38h, the mobility multimedia api caters for the camera cases. | 13:10 |
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RST38h | konttori: But is it available from QML? | 13:11 |
konttori_work | You should be able to pull it from suitable mobility branch already now. | 13:11 |
konttori_work | yeah | 13:11 |
lcuk | konttori_work, it was auto uploading to the youtube live service - direct from an all qml app | 13:11 |
RST38h | konttori: Yes, I found the CameraAPI but did not find a way to use it from QML | 13:11 |
RST38h | Maybe it all requires a better tutorial then... | 13:11 |
konttori_work | Hmm... there should be bindings for it in qml. | 13:11 |
konttori_work | all mobility APIs are to have QML bindings in mobility 1.1 | 13:11 |
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* lcuk likes how mobility is looking :) | 13:12 | |
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konttori_work | import Qt 4.7 | 13:12 |
konttori_work | import Qt.multimedia 1.1 | 13:12 |
konttori_work | Rectangle { | 13:12 |
konttori_work | width: 640 | 13:12 |
konttori_work | height: 480 | 13:12 |
konttori_work | Camera { anchors.fill: parent } | 13:12 |
konttori_work | } | 13:12 |
konttori_work | that should do the trick. | 13:12 |
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lcuk | konttori_work, but then you need to grab that data, and push to youtube web api | 13:12 |
konttori_work | (isn't that just plain beautiful?) | 13:12 |
lcuk | its not just visualising on screen | 13:12 |
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lcuk | qgil was asking, because I believe that robot os has something similar | 13:13 |
konttori_work | For that kind of case, you definitely need to do a qt wrapper that takes care of the streaming to the web. | 13:14 |
rittk | carrick guys: ping | 13:14 |
konttori_work | I think we'll have the qt4-gstreamer bindings exposed to qml as well pretty soon. | 13:14 |
lcuk | yup konttori_work and thats part of the limitation with the current qml api | 13:14 |
* lcuk nods | 13:14 | |
konttori_work | (dunno the schedule atm), so after that, you might be able to do it all in qml. | 13:14 |
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lcuk | konttori_work, alterego has also been looking at qml stuff, he has a nice app currently written in qt native and has been digging and investigating and making some nice progress with it, are there any talks at the conference about qml? | 13:16 |
konttori_work | meego conference you mean? | 13:16 |
lcuk | yeah | 13:16 |
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konttori_work | I don't know to be honest. It's completely outside of my radar atm. I'm fully devoted to clearing harmattan. | 13:17 |
lcuk | sure thing, i bet someone else here has a map of the talks and can tell us which may be related to watch for | 13:18 |
konttori_work | I sent an email to you lcuk and marco ballesio | 13:18 |
konttori_work | (about gst qml bindings) | 13:18 |
lcuk | yeah I just giggled a bit | 13:18 |
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konttori_work | did you giggle at me making a separation between harmattan and meego, or what? | 13:20 |
RST38h | konttori: Ok, so I add that camera thing, but can I then use it to capture video from the JavaScript? | 13:20 |
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konttori_work | RST38h, I would try to point you to the example if I could find one, but gitorious is misbehaving. | 13:24 |
lcuk | konttori_work, at the email arriving | 13:24 |
konttori_work | ok | 13:24 |
Milhouse | knotorri: so is harmattan still happening, or been binned while we wait for MeeGo proper? | 13:26 |
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zinit | some of you guys going to the conference in dublin in november? | 13:28 |
konttori_work | Milhouse, happening. Will be called meego, although, debian packaging and 'old' maemo lower levels. | 13:30 |
konttori_work | so, I'm keeping them separate in my books. | 13:30 |
konttori_work | on API and ABI level, they should be compatible, so that makes it possible for marketing to call that still meego. | 13:31 |
Milhouse | Konttori: yep, aware of the "MeeGo" branding on Harmattan/Maemo6 but after the CEO call last week it wasn't clear to me if it had been ditched in favour of a true MeeGo release sometime next year (H2 2011?). Good to hear it's still on track, but will it be this year (as promised long ago) or has it slipped into 2011? | 13:33 |
Milhouse | (If you can't say - understood) | 13:33 |
konttori_work | Milhouse, yeah, I really cannot comment to that in absolutely any way. | 13:35 |
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Weasel_ | is the an application for maemo/meego that enables voice dialling symbian style? | 13:39 |
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Weasel_ | I have to buy a new phone soon, and I haven't found any info about that. Android's voice dialling is no good and I wouldn't like to go symbian anymore. | 13:46 |
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zinit | Weasel_: havent had any problem with voice dialling on the iphone. (I know. not exacly opensource or anything resembling that... but it works) | 13:59 |
zinit | the N8 might have some interesting features.. | 13:59 |
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foreach | how can I add some widget inherited from QWidget into MApplicationPage? | 14:06 |
Weasel_ | zinit: I wont go iphone because I'm looking for a platform to develop some software for my own specific needs. How iphones voice dialling works? Androids way is: press button on headset, say command "call contact name", verify selection with tap on touchscreen. Symbian way is: press button on headse, say "contact name", phone answers with text to speech repeating contact name and calls contact if not cancelled with headset button | 14:06 |
Weasel_ | Symbian way is very good as I have my hands occupied most of the time when I operate various machinery and I don't have to take the phone out of my pocket | 14:09 |
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fredy | ls | 14:25 |
fredy | ops | 14:25 |
dolp | :D | 14:26 |
Weasel_ | total 151832 | 14:26 |
Weasel_ | dr-xr-x---. 24 root root 4096 Oct 24 23:04 . | 14:26 |
Weasel_ | dr-xr-xr-x. 25 root root 4096 Oct 25 03:03 .. | 14:26 |
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dolp | cd ~ | 14:26 |
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CosmoHill | RST38h: you know you helped me with the seed problem I was having | 14:42 |
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CosmoHill | turns out clock() returns zero :/ | 14:42 |
RST38h | Yeah??? | 14:43 |
CosmoHill | oh crap is that the time | 14:43 |
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Stskeeps | infobot, haveameegomeeting is book at http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Meeting_IRC_Schedule , read http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines#IRC_Meeting_Guidelines and instructions for MeetBot at http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html | 14:44 |
infobot | Stskeeps: okay | 14:44 |
Stskeeps | ~haveameegomeeting | 14:44 |
infobot | somebody said haveameegomeeting was book at http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Meeting_IRC_Schedule , read http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines#IRC_Meeting_Guidelines and instructions for MeetBot at http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html | 14:44 |
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_davidx_ | Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? | 14:48 |
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Stskeeps | .. sorry, i failed to parse that sentence? | 14:48 |
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_davidx_ | okay.. | 14:49 |
_davidx_ | ima leave now >_< | 14:49 |
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ivrubano | I did zypper refresh and zypper update. the problem is that now when I lunching sdk it shows only black screen. can I do something with this? | 14:51 |
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MohammadAG51 | it's buggy | 14:59 |
MohammadAG51 | at least Qr wise | 14:59 |
MohammadAG51 | Qt even | 14:59 |
MohammadAG51 | modest has zoom using volume keys | 14:59 |
MohammadAG51 | err, wrong channel, sorry :/ | 15:00 |
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lcuk | konttori_work, does QML have automagic binding support (even automatic regeneration via introspection), or does it require specific manual code bindings to be created for each class? | 15:05 |
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konttori_work | lcuk, read: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qtbinding.html | 15:18 |
lcuk | thanks konttori_work \o | 15:18 |
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konttori_work | and for plugins: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qdeclarativeextensionplugin.html | 15:19 |
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mirf | :D:D | 15:29 |
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sunder | hi, does anyone know how to calibrate evdev | 15:52 |
rittk | how to calibrate input driver ? | 15:53 |
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Shapeshifter | btw, will meego still cache an application database on the device like maemo or will it use a fast online index like android/iphone? | 15:57 |
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Guest81330 | Hi , I want to install gtk for meego ..what pkg name to be given to KS file [using mic ] | 16:01 |
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Weasel_ | hmm, aava mobile platform seems interesting. I guess device is not available anywhere... | 16:20 |
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Myrtti | Weasel_: it is available, but the price - when I checked the last time - was in the realm of "interplanetary" | 16:33 |
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Weasel_ | Myrtti: ok, thanks for the info | 16:55 |
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sfrique | helo folks | 16:57 |
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sfrique | meego wil be realy release in 3 days ? | 16:57 |
GAN900 | sfrique, don't expect a final product. | 16:57 |
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sfrique | GAN900, i am not espectinf that | 16:58 |
sfrique | GAN900, but will be an useable one ? | 16:58 |
* GAN900 guesses not. | 16:58 | |
GAN900 | Although that's partially UX dependent. | 16:58 |
sfrique | i bought my N900 just becasue of meego hahah | 16:59 |
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sfrique | anyways, nokias says meego just in 2011 =/ | 17:03 |
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Stskeeps | this is meego.com :) | 17:04 |
GAN900 | sfrique, MeeGo != MeeGo | 17:05 |
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hhurtta | one meego will be official one and another meego will be the one hackers shall play with? | 17:06 |
Stskeeps | meego.com delivers a platform, vendors build upon it | 17:07 |
hhurtta | sounds awfully lot like how the game was supposed to be played with symbian | 17:08 |
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sfrique | i am waiting for meego.com but even them don't give much information | 17:09 |
thiago | hhurtta: device vendors take meego from meego.com and build a device with it | 17:09 |
boud | has anyone packaged an app for the version of meego on the wetab yet? | 17:10 |
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ddez | 's! | 18:12 |
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lolloo | http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/ubuntu-moves-away-gnome | 18:39 |
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mirf | so who's running meego on their n900? | 18:42 |
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ahynes1 | I've chrooted to meego, but nothing more. | 18:44 |
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alterego | ping harryF | 19:06 |
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auke | alright weekend is over | 19:18 |
Stskeeps | we had a weekend? | 19:18 |
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Myrtti | I wish it were weekend still | 19:41 |
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berndhs | meego on this beagleboard http://www.newswise.com/articles/beagle-supercomputer-has-landed-in-chicago ? | 19:48 |
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qgil | Reading the Ubuntu Unity news. Does anybody know how much do they rely on Clutter? | 20:42 |
Stskeeps | they claim 'mutter' is involved, so i would guess quite.. | 20:43 |
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Stskeeps | ah, yes, it's clutter built | 20:45 |
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qgil | And who are the Clutter maintainers nowdays? All Intel employees or more? I mean, Canonical is risking quite a lot with this jump | 20:47 |
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Stskeeps | did we find out where matthew allum got hired? :P | 20:47 |
mihero | also the new unity is worse then the 10.04 launcher | 20:48 |
qgil | Now Clutter is an essential piece in GNOME Shell (but it's unclear who will ship it), Ubuntu soon (that means plenty of users) and MeeGo Netbook (no idea about volumes planned and long term plans) | 20:48 |
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qgil | this, and the blog from Matt about Qt in Ubuntu sounds like a puzzle I'm still not deciphering | 20:49 |
Stskeeps | GTK+ development isn't always sexy.. | 20:50 |
qgil | with a push on Netbook UX community development and the MeeGo Extras finally taking off, I could see a bright futore for MeeGo not only ion netbooks but also in bigger screens | 20:50 |
toresbe | DocScrutinizer: hi. :) | 20:50 |
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toresbe | So - and I'm sorry if this is a FAQ but I can't really find an answer - how do I test out meego on the N900? | 20:51 |
veli | qgil: did you see my msgs? | 20:51 |
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qgil | oops | 20:51 |
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mihero | meego netbook ux is better then unity even now, unity loses lots of screen space for the static panel | 20:53 |
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javispedro | static? -- you can at least customize its contents for all I know. | 20:54 |
qgil | mihero: but that won't move the Ubuntu users to MeeGo Netbook, and I guess they can made that pannel hide just like the top pannel hides in MeeGo | 20:54 |
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mihero | no, it doesn't autohide, that is the problem | 20:56 |
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mihero | I liked the old launcher they had on 10.04 much more | 20:59 |
lcuk | mihero, thats of course an difference for touchscreen ux - you cant really "hover" in the right place to allow a panel to popup | 21:00 |
mihero | when you have a 10" display you don't want to waste 1" from left side to launcher panel | 21:00 |
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lcuk | if you want an expanding/autohide panel it always costs you a swipe | 21:00 |
mihero | that's true | 21:00 |
lcuk | and for 10" i would not really worry about 1" | 21:00 |
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mihero | I worry:) | 21:01 |
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mihero | that's why i changed back to normal desktop and modified it with couple of useful applets | 21:02 |
lcuk | sure | 21:02 |
mihero | but for the meego netbook edition it is much more usable for non touch netbook | 21:02 |
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mihero | haven't tested it with touchscreen so can't comment how usable it is that way | 21:04 |
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lcuk | completely different use profile, even windows feels wrong on touchscreens ;) | 21:05 |
CosmoHill | hey lcuk and Alison_Chaiken | 21:05 |
lcuk | windows 7 X in top right on an upright monitor is hardwork | 21:05 |
Alison_Chaiken | Hey CosmoHill and lcuk too. | 21:05 |
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lcuk | gorilla arm :P | 21:05 |
lcuk | hi CosmoHill and Alison_Chaiken | 21:05 |
Alison_Chaiken | You guys going to be at the Conference in Dublin? | 21:05 |
CosmoHill | I've learnt a little about optimisation today :) | 21:06 |
CosmoHill | nope | 21:06 |
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lcuk | potentially | 21:06 |
lcuk | CosmoHill, yeah what did you learn? | 21:06 |
CosmoHill | well I had a bit of code that requires a huge ammount of work so he changed some ints to chars and used registers | 21:07 |
CosmoHill | other than that he didn't change my code to much | 21:07 |
lcuk | memory writes with chars is a bit off | 21:07 |
lcuk | unaligned accesses makes cpus cry still | 21:07 |
CosmoHill | oh and because we changed ints to chars we removed type casts which incure an overhead (I didn't know this) | 21:07 |
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CosmoHill | chars are used for numbers | 21:07 |
toresbe | I didn't really get an answer... is there a link or anything to a page where there's info on how to test meego on my N900? | 21:07 |
CosmoHill | toresbe: there are a few things on the wiki about installing on the n900 | 21:08 |
lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 | 21:08 |
CosmoHill | one of them should be how to boot from the memory card | 21:08 |
toresbe | Ah! There! | 21:08 |
toresbe | lcuk: thanks :) | 21:08 |
javispedro | CosmoHill: usually, blindlessly changing ints to chars is not an "Optimization", unless you want to trigger some specific compiler optimization | 21:09 |
javispedro | (there's a reason fastint_t is an int...) | 21:09 |
lcuk | the fact you adjusted code to see and found improvement is the best part :) | 21:10 |
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javispedro | :) | 21:10 |
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CosmoHill | javispedro: only small numbers were changed | 21:14 |
CosmoHill | IE less than 255 (unsigned) or 128 | 21:14 |
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javispedro | CosmoHill: but, depending on your platform, writing a full int might not be any slower than writing a char. | 21:15 |
javispedro | CosmoHill: either way, as luck put, the best way is to try and measure it :) | 21:15 |
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CosmoHill | from a speed point of view it should be identical (apart form the bit with the casting) | 21:17 |
CosmoHill | but from a memory point of view it is an improvement | 21:17 |
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toresbe | lcuk: hm, does it positively require a USB cable? Is there no other way to load the kernel? :\ | 21:20 |
qgil | ... anyway, being Intel currently the main Clutter maintainer and being Nokia currently the main Qt maintainer I think MeeGo has odds to score well vs Ubuntu in the short and mid terms | 21:20 |
qgil | ... but the MeeGo Extras is key in the short term, and the AppUp/Ovi/etc can make a real difference | 21:21 |
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lcuk | toresbe, theres more indepth dualboot stuff being hacked around with and documented atm but its considered a taster only and since the OS is not functionally complete at the moment its enough for most folks. by all means dig more and find the extra info | 21:23 |
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toresbe | I just don't have the USB cable, is all :) | 21:24 |
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lcuk | hold on, i have a spare, i will email it to you | 21:24 |
toresbe | Ah, excellent! | 21:24 |
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javispedro | O.o | 21:25 |
CosmoHill | hahahaha | 21:25 |
toresbe | How's the postage when emailing something of that size? | 21:25 |
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lcuk | qgil, the pr1.3 update today adding qt4.7 support should allow many more compatible qt based apps to be available on ovi for n900 | 21:27 |
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lcuk | have you heard of any titles in development we might see on our n900s? :D | 21:28 |
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qgil | hi lcuk - yes I know :) | 21:30 |
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qgil | lcuk: I mean "yes, I know" ref "the pr1.3 update today adding qt4.7 support should allow many more compatible qt based apps to be available on ovi for n900" | 21:31 |
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qgil | no idea about your second comment | 21:31 |
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lcuk | qgil, I saw revdkathy over the weekend and we had a good laugh at the BCN weekend we all had. the meego summit early birds stuff looks like an excellent followup | 21:34 |
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toresbe | lcuk: I looked into using "bootmenu", and came across this page - http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot#Bootmenu_.28optional.29 | 21:37 |
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toresbe | but - where do I put the kernel and what do I name it? :) | 21:37 |
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lcuk | toresbe, IDK, I did not write that documentation | 21:38 |
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qgil | I just learned from lazy twitter that Ubuntu unity will move from Clutter to Compiz - interesting http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/a-bright-new-future-for-compiz/ | 21:45 |
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joejoe | hi, i am trying to install meego on sd card and boot it on n900. I proceeds according to http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC , but I can see only kernel panic while booting | 21:47 |
auke | there was a bad image that didn't boot | 21:48 |
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auke | try another image | 21:48 |
joejoe | I suppose, that problem is that kernel cannot work with btrfs (used on mmc) | 21:48 |
joejoe | i have already tried two images. Could you point me to any working image? | 21:48 |
javispedro | I've always impressed by Ubuntu's long use of Compiz | 21:48 |
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CosmoHill | javispedro: in a good way? | 21:53 |
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javispedro | yeah, but -- mostly, just surprised. | 21:54 |
javispedro | it's not like any other distro uses it? | 21:54 |
qgil | javispedro: SuSE? | 21:55 |
qgil | I guess Novell is investing i Xgl and Compiz for a reason | 21:56 |
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qgil | btw Novell is another interesting piece in the MeeGo and Ubuntu puzzles | 21:56 |
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arjan | compiz always looked like a science experiment to me | 21:57 |
arjan | but the 0.9 version seems to be the first one where they tried to be "real" | 21:57 |
arjan | we'll see where it lands | 21:57 |
arjan | so far I'm not very impressed by many of the compositors; they all seem to have too much perf overhead | 21:57 |
arjan | mutter being the one where we spent most time optimizing from any of them I think | 21:57 |
javispedro | arjan: exactly that same feeling, but it's made it into the default into [-one-] two distros | 21:58 |
javispedro | (re compiz as science experiment) | 21:58 |
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qgil | hi arjan this morning I wish I could get a glimpse of MeeGo Netbook UX and Ubuntu in 2 years time ;) | 21:59 |
arjan | meego netbook UX implemented with qt quick will be interesting | 22:00 |
arjan | fully touch enabled etc etc | 22:00 |
Stskeeps | there's plans to try that out? | 22:00 |
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lbt | Stskeeps: where's the FAQ response to "can I dual boot MeeGo now I have 1.3" ? | 22:03 |
CosmoHill | lbt: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/faq.txt | 22:03 |
CosmoHill | that one? | 22:03 |
Stskeeps | lbt: "MeeGo 1.3 is out?" | 22:03 |
Stskeeps | ;) | 22:03 |
lbt | :P | 22:04 |
qgil | after using MeeGo Netbook for work in a twentysomething monitor I really wonder what is the big deal between a Handet UX augmented, a tablet UX and a netbook/laptop ux - honestly | 22:04 |
RST38h | "Where can I download MeeGO 1.3 warez???" | 22:04 |
CosmoHill | RST38h: pirate bay? | 22:04 |
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RST38h | Cosmo: Yeaaah | 22:06 |
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toresbe | Hm. So I followed the online instructions refering to meego and multiboot, but it just powers off in the multiboot menu when I select it.. Any hints for me..? | 22:09 |
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Stskeeps | those instructions explictly says 'under construction', don't they/ | 22:09 |
Stskeeps | ? | 22:09 |
toresbe | they do | 22:10 |
Stskeeps | well, there's your cause | 22:10 |
Stskeeps | :P | 22:10 |
toresbe | that's about a useful as a bucket of sand in the desert | 22:10 |
Stskeeps | i know, that's why i'm working on the actual solution :) | 22:10 |
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toresbe | Do you know anything about what causes it? Non-existant kernel file? I'm not sure where it finds it. | 22:12 |
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toresbe | It looks a bit as if the loader assumes the FS is ext3, but that does not seem to be the case. | 22:14 |
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toresbe | And that is because it is indeed not the case; it seems to use something called "btrfs", which makes me wonder how the heck I'm going to get it booted. | 22:30 |
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Stskeeps | toresbe: basically those instructions are old and we're not using kexec anymore. | 22:42 |
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toresbe | Stskeeps: OK, I see - what should I be researching instead? | 22:43 |
Stskeeps | toresbe: track our work in #meego-arm - we're basically going to have a u-boot based solution | 22:44 |
toresbe | _will_ have? So at the moment it's not possible to boot the meego kernel without a USB cable? :\ | 22:44 |
Stskeeps | it is possible, but you won't get very far | 22:45 |
Stskeeps | we've had successful boots with u-boot. | 22:45 |
toresbe | Well, the kernel booting is always a good sign :) | 22:45 |
Stskeeps | not until display driver starts acting up | 22:46 |
Stskeeps | :P | 22:46 |
javispedro | Stskeeps: btw, do you have any stuff documenting the kexec issues that were found? I'd want to use it not necessarily for Meego. | 22:46 |
toresbe | It is quite literally a start. Thanks for that pointer. I'll rtfm up on this uboot thingie. | 22:46 |
Stskeeps | javispedro: display driver doesn't like re-entry | 22:46 |
toresbe | It's all just a little bit of init code repeating *sings* | 22:47 |
Stskeeps | javispedro: what do you intend to use? | 22:47 |
javispedro | Stskeeps: it's a Linux driver initialization thing? | 22:47 |
Stskeeps | javispedro: basically | 22:47 |
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javispedro | Stskeeps: homebrew stuff, not necessarily Linux even | 22:47 |
Stskeeps | javispedro: use u-boot then | 22:47 |
toresbe | Oh goodie! I just got display corruption after a cold boot! | 22:47 |
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toresbe | purdy purdy triangles. | 22:47 |
Stskeeps | it can technically even boot symbian ;p | 22:47 |
javispedro | Stskeeps: I prefer to check the environment before booting | 22:48 |
Stskeeps | hm? | 22:48 |
Stskeeps | :P | 22:48 |
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javispedro | I mean, I'm going to research mostly -- so I might want to run stuff before kexec()ing | 22:49 |
Stskeeps | ah, ok | 22:49 |
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Stskeeps | u-boot has boot scripts but i guess they're not that interesting | 22:49 |
toresbe | Stskeeps: so I run the vmlinuz image through mkimage, and then boot that as if it was a vmlinuz image? | 22:50 |
Stskeeps | http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/maemo/u-boot/ | 22:51 |
toresbe | Stskeeps: so the file resulting from this procedure can be fed to multiboot? | 22:53 |
Stskeeps | so, basically, the u-boot.bin that is there, gets combined with the maemo zimage and you flash it to your kernel area | 22:54 |
Stskeeps | at bootup, u-boot looks for kernel named uImage on microsd partition 3 (vfat partition) | 22:54 |
Stskeeps | if it doesn't find it, or a bootscript on partition 1 (vfat), it boots maemo kernel | 22:54 |
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toresbe | Cool! But this still involves patching the maemo kernel, that is to say - I still need a USB cable? Or can I feed uImage to multiboot as a vmlinuz image? | 22:56 |
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toresbe | Riiight. I think I understand. The clever bit you're doing is making u-boot a third-stage-but-regressing-to-first-stage bootloader? | 22:58 |
toresbe | So I turn the meego kernel into a uImage, I prepend the u-boot.bin to it, and then load it in multiboot. | 23:00 |
Stskeeps | it doesn't involve patching maemo kernel :) | 23:01 |
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Stskeeps | toresbe: NOLO loads u-boot from kernel area - u-boot has a built-in zimage that it defaults to | 23:01 |
Stskeeps | but let's talk in #meego-arm | 23:01 |
toresbe | OK, thanks :) | 23:02 |
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mihero | http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/67880 <<for the earlier ubuntu discussion | 23:10 |
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oshin | if i want to port a lib to meego, should I use Handset image from http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux ? | 23:11 |
oshin | i am on ubuntu. | 23:11 |
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GAN900 | Is there a flights page on the wiki yet? | 23:29 |
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