| CosmoHill | I probably should have added myself there months ago | 00:00 |
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| thiago | and if you carry a prototype to a bar, don't take it out of your bag! | 00:00 |
| * thiago guesses the dude was trying to show off | 00:00 | |
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| CosmoHill | it someone went "look at me I have an iphone" I'd mock them | 00:01 |
| VDVsx | he was trying to get laid with that :D | 00:01 |
| thiago | VDVsx: that's what I was thinking | 00:02 |
| VDVsx | he archived something similar: "laid-off" :D :D | 00:03 |
| thiago | lol | 00:04 |
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| VDVsx | Alison_Chaiken, are you joining meego.org or some intel/nokia internal position ? | 00:06 |
| VDVsx | if I can ask :P | 00:06 |
| Alison_Chaiken | VDVsx, I will be Senior Solutions Manager at Nokia in Redwood City CA USA. My email is alchaiken@gmail.com. Please send me your feedback and ideas. I will be responsible for demos of device interoperability. | 00:08 |
| thiago | RWC? | 00:08 |
| thiago | so you're coming to Dev Days | 00:08 |
| thiago | ? | 00:08 |
| VDVsx | Alison_Chaiken, cool, didnt know that there's a office there :D | 00:09 |
| CosmoHill | I didn't know Nokia had other offices | 00:09 |
| thiago | VDVsx: it's the old Trolltech office | 00:09 |
| VDVsx | in CA only know about mountain view office | 00:10 |
| * VDVsx is in California atm :D | 00:10 | |
| thiago | VDVsx: that one was Nokia before | 00:10 |
| thiago | there's one in downtown SFO too | 00:10 |
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| CosmoHill | does Nokia have offices in the UK? | 00:14 |
| th0br0 | aye | 00:14 |
| thiago | CosmoHill: yes | 00:14 |
| CosmoHill | and where are they? | 00:15 |
| th0br0 | CosmoHill: http://www.nokia.com/about-nokia/contacts/nokia-offices | 00:15 |
| thiago | Alison_Chaiken: so you're coming to Dev Days in a week? | 00:15 |
| CosmoHill | thanks th0br0 | 00:15 |
| th0br0 | london, cambridge, farnborough | 00:15 |
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| CosmoHill | wow, 4 in london | 00:16 |
| th0br0 | there're 4 in berln, too :) | 00:16 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | RWC & Mountain View offices are supposed to be consolidated in a new office in Sunnyvale, CA, which isn't far away. Yes, thiago, I am coming to the conference in Dublin next month. I hope to meet lots of you there. | 00:16 |
| thiago | Alison_Chaiken: I meant the Qt Developer Days conference next week | 00:16 |
| thiago | not MeeGo Conf next month | 00:17 |
| CosmoHill | th0br0: just noticed, only one of them has a phone number | 00:18 |
| th0br0 | why, you want to call? | 00:18 |
| CosmoHill | not at the moment | 00:19 |
| CosmoHill | just thinking ahead for when I finish uni | 00:19 |
| th0br0 | k | 00:19 |
| thiago | move to Oslo | 00:20 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Thiago, I will go to the 10/30 Dev Days meetup, but next week I must finish up at my old job during the day. | 00:20 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Now time for well-deserved nap. | 00:21 |
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| th0br0 | ... people shouldn't be in such a hurry to leave | 00:21 |
| * thiago should | 00:21 | |
| thiago | I'll be in a flight in 11 hours | 00:22 |
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| th0br0 | oh | 00:22 |
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| th0br0 | where you headed? | 00:22 |
| th0br0 | but have a nice flight :) | 00:22 |
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| CosmoHill | thiago: well you just missed coffeecat so you should sleep now | 00:23 |
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| VDVsx | grr, crappy wifi :( | 00:24 |
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| thiago | Orlando via Frankfurt | 00:27 |
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| niala | long flight | 00:28 |
| thiago | yes | 00:28 |
| thiago | 8 hours I think | 00:29 |
| th0br0 | just 8 hrs? | 00:29 |
| VDVsx | only ? | 00:29 |
| CosmoHill | it's another 5 hours in the airport and security :) | 00:29 |
| th0br0 | not 5... | 00:29 |
| CosmoHill | (joke) | 00:29 |
| th0br0 | oh k. | 00:29 |
| th0br0 | lufthansa says oslo -> orlando (via frankfurt) are 14-17 hrs... depending on which flights you get. or rather, when you#re leaving in oslo. | 00:31 |
| niala | lol 8 hours | 00:31 |
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| CosmoHill | it took my parents 12 hours to drive from one end of the UK to another | 00:31 |
| th0br0 | why would you do that? | 00:32 |
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| CosmoHill | they were on hoilday at one end and we live in the other | 00:32 |
| thiago | 8 hours just the FRA-MCO flight | 00:33 |
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| Erwyn | hello | 00:33 |
| CosmoHill | hello | 00:33 |
| Erwyn | excuse me but i have a little question about moblin/meego. | 00:33 |
| Erwyn | Is moblin really still developped, or do we have to use meego instead of it | 00:34 |
| thiago | Erwyn: moblin is replaced by meego | 00:34 |
| th0br0 | there is no moblin anymore | 00:34 |
| Erwyn | thiago: oh ok | 00:34 |
| CosmoHill | mobin is no longer being developed, it has been replaced by meego | 00:34 |
| Erwyn | maybe moblin's project managers should noticed this fact on the moblin's website... | 00:34 |
| Erwyn | there isn't any information about this on the "common" pages, I noticed this cause of the last release date | 00:35 |
| CosmoHill | Erwyn: there is a post on the front page | 00:36 |
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| Erwyn | yeah i know but i can ensure you it't not enough visible that it's deprecated | 00:37 |
| th0br0 | that's true. | 00:37 |
| CosmoHill | you say this but...Meego has been out for 8 months | 00:37 |
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| CosmoHill | people must know moblin has been replaced by meego by now | 00:37 |
| Erwyn | CosmoHill: not new netbooks owners who hasn't been interested in proper operating systems for this type of terminal brefore | 00:38 |
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| Erwyn | for example, a blogpost which relates a test of moblin on a netbook by a user: http://phollow.fr/2009/07/un-petit-essai-de-moblin-2-0/ | 00:39 |
| Erwyn | (it's in french) | 00:40 |
| thiago | Erwyn: look at the date | 00:40 |
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| CosmoHill | it's also dated july 2009 | 00:40 |
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| Erwyn | non 2009 | 00:40 |
| Erwyn | oh you're right | 00:41 |
| Erwyn | google mistake | 00:41 |
| CosmoHill | 15 Juillet 2009 | 00:41 |
| CosmoHill | at 7:09pm | 00:41 |
| Erwyn | sorry, my fault, but i have friends who thought moblin is still developped | 00:42 |
| CosmoHill | hehe | 00:42 |
| CosmoHill | blame them then :) | 00:42 |
| Erwyn | it's not a critic, just an advice, | 00:42 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 00:43 |
| Erwyn | it doesnt "look like" deprecated | 00:43 |
| CosmoHill | the first thing you see is registration, the second is the note about Moblin being replaced | 00:43 |
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| thiago | Erwyn: it is, just under a new name | 00:43 |
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| Erwyn | ok | 00:46 |
| Erwyn | so version 1.0 | 00:46 |
| Erwyn | still fedora based? | 00:46 |
| sofar | moblin was not fedora based | 00:46 |
| CosmoHill | 1.1 comes out next week | 00:46 |
| CosmoHill | hey sofar | 00:46 |
| sofar | meego is hella not fedora based either | 00:46 |
| thiago | and meego is not fedora-based either | 00:46 |
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| niala | rpm yes but no fedora | 00:47 |
| Erwyn | lol ok | 00:47 |
| sofar | Erwyn: please, tell everyone you know, that meego/fedora are NOT fedora based. thanks. | 00:47 |
| Erwyn | it's a legend :) | 00:47 |
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| sofar | infobot: fedora is MeeGo is *NOT* fedora based. Never was. No, it's not, really. | 00:47 |
| * infobot tells is MeeGo is *NOT* fedora based. Never was. No, it's not, really. that becoming RHCP certified, is The One True Way to Supreme Linux Knowledge | 00:47 | |
| sofar | there | 00:48 |
| Erwyn | that was a rumor? | 00:48 |
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| Erwyn | or a misunderstanding of people | 00:48 |
| sofar | Erwyn: no, it was people misunderstanding things (badly) | 00:48 |
| Erwyn | cause lots of people wrote that moblin was fedora based | 00:48 |
| sofar | it was not | 00:48 |
| sofar | ~fedora | 00:48 |
| infobot | fedora is probably sofar is <action> tells sofar that becoming RHCP certified, is The One True Way to Supreme Linux Knowledge | 00:48 |
| sofar | read what info bot says | 00:48 |
| sofar | whut | 00:48 |
| sofar | dang infobot | 00:48 |
| sofar | infobot: forget fedora | 00:48 |
| infobot | sofar: i forgot fedora | 00:48 |
| zhasha | I have an N900 and am looking to create an XBMC remote control, much like the ones for iOS and Android. I'd also like this to run well on MeeGo, and I'd like to code it in Vala. What toolkit should I use? | 00:49 |
| sofar | infobot: fedora is MeeGo is *NOT* fedora based. Never was. No, it's not, really. | 00:49 |
| * infobot tells is MeeGo is *NOT* fedora based. Never was. No, it's not, really. that becoming RHCP certified, is The One True Way to Supreme Linux Knowledge | 00:49 | |
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| sofar | zhasha: MTF is the de facto toolkit for UI development under MeeGo | 00:50 |
| sofar | it's based on Qt | 00:50 |
| niala | zhasha: use Qt | 00:50 |
| thiago | MTF is not the de-facto toolkit for development. Qt is. | 00:50 |
| thiago | MTF is a platform tool | 00:50 |
| zhasha | niala, sofar: so no viable option for coding in Vala? | 00:50 |
| Erwyn | hmmm meebo is still sexy... | 00:51 |
| sofar | I don't think vala is even in MeeGo | 00:51 |
| sofar | don't remember seeing it | 00:51 |
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| zhasha | doesn't matter if it is, it translates to C | 00:51 |
| thiago | zhasha: if you want to use it, you can | 00:51 |
| niala | Erwyn: G meeGo | 00:51 |
| sofar | of course | 00:51 |
| CosmoHill | MeeGo, YouGo, WeeGo :) | 00:51 |
| sofar | you can use anything you want if you insist | 00:51 |
| thiago | zhasha: MeeGo has an X server running, so you can run any X application using any toolkit you may want | 00:51 |
| sofar | Qt is a decent choice | 00:51 |
| zhasha | yeah, I know, but I've gotten accustomed to Gtk+ and what follows, so it's just a question of what would be easier for me | 00:52 |
| thiago | zhasha: if you're used to that, by all means use it | 00:52 |
| zhasha | AFAIK Maemo was using Hildon for everything | 00:52 |
| rittk | what meego actually means? | 00:52 |
| thiago | rittk: nothing. It's not an acronym. | 00:53 |
| niala | rittk: nothing | 00:53 |
| thiago | zhasha: now here's a disclaimer: there's a "MeeGo API" which is part of the compliancy. | 00:53 |
| niala | lol to late | 00:53 |
| thiago | zhasha: only Qt is in that API for now. | 00:53 |
| thiago | zhasha: if you use another toolkit, your app may run, but it will not be considered compliant | 00:54 |
| zhasha | thiago: I seem to recall something about MeeGo Qt apps running on next-gen Symbian phones? | 00:54 |
| thiago | zhasha: yes, Qt runs on Symbian too | 00:55 |
| zhasha | will Gtk+ or Clutter ever be adopted into the MeeGo API? | 00:55 |
| Erwyn | hum how to install meego after booting the live image? | 00:56 |
| thiago | zhasha: I think not (but that's just what I think) | 00:58 |
| niala | Erwyn: before but you can test in live first | 00:58 |
| zhasha | I can understand Nokia's commitment to Qt but what I really did like about Maemo was the complete freedom of choice when it came to language. Not a big fan of C++ here :/ | 00:59 |
| Erwyn | niala: before? | 00:59 |
| niala | when you boot a menu appear. choose 'boot meego' to try. | 01:00 |
| Erwyn | yeah but to install? | 01:00 |
| niala | Erwyn: and after reboot and install if you like | 01:00 |
| Erwyn | how to reboot? command-line or there is a button ? | 01:00 |
| niala | push on/off button | 01:01 |
| Erwyn | oh just turn of... ok | 01:02 |
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| thiago | zhasha: you can use any language, like I told you | 01:05 |
| thiago | you just won't be compliant. That means your app won't be accepted in the Ovi Store, for example. | 01:05 |
| zhasha | thiago: sure, but I won't be compliant | 01:05 |
| zhasha | yes see, that's what I feared | 01:05 |
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| thiago | there are still other mechanisms for delivering apps | 01:07 |
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| zhasha | I kind of want to put it in Ovi store for $2 and put the source up at fdo or github | 01:08 |
| zhasha | gotta code it first though | 01:09 |
| thiago | if you make the source available, why would anyone pay $2 for it? | 01:09 |
| th0br0 | bye | 01:09 |
| zhasha | so they didn't have to compile it themselves | 01:10 |
| thiago | I doubt the Ovi Store would accept that | 01:11 |
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| thiago | anyway, the community OBS could do that for you | 01:11 |
| thiago | and no compliancy requirements | 01:11 |
| zhasha | why is that? the FSF encourages it | 01:11 |
| Erwyn | erf my sound function keys and my bluetooth are not working out of the box | 01:12 |
| thiago | the FSF encourages using the ovi store? | 01:13 |
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| CosmoHill | Erwyn: check for updates | 01:13 |
| Erwyn | oh you're right | 01:13 |
| Erwyn | sorry for my stupidity, it is quite late | 01:13 |
| zhasha | they encourage charging a distribution fee if you want to make a bit of money (although they'd have the source be what you dish out for) | 01:14 |
| thiago | zhasha: then create your own store | 01:14 |
| thiago | if you want to use someone else's (like Ovi), you need to abide by that someone's rules | 01:14 |
| zhasha | if I'm not allowed to do it through the Ovi store I'm not going to do it period | 01:14 |
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| zhasha | I'm assuming there's a repo I may be allowed to put it in then | 01:15 |
| CosmoHill | Erwyn: oui, c'est 00:15 | 01:15 |
| Erwyn | CosmoHill: :) | 01:16 |
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| Erwyn | CosmoHill: i had to reinstall two computers, one with archlinux and this one which was running ubuntu but i was fed up of ubuntu fatness | 01:17 |
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| thiago | zhasha: that's the community OBS | 01:17 |
| Erwyn | so i'm a bit tired, and when i'm tired, i'm stupid, like most people i think/hope | 01:17 |
| thiago | it would build for you | 01:17 |
| CosmoHill | Erwyn: after about 11pm most people start going | 01:18 |
| Erwyn | youhou i'm not the only one!! | 01:18 |
| Erwyn | :) | 01:18 |
| zhasha | thiago: it's really just a question of: 1) I'd like to make a buck or two, and 2) I'm not going to deny people access to the source | 01:19 |
| thiago | zhasha: you need to ask the store for more information | 01:19 |
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| thiago | anyway, "MeeGo API" is what's guaranteed to be on all devices and has forward compatibility guarantees | 01:21 |
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| Erwyn | urk, when i press alt+tab i have a dark screen, then repress it, application switching... | 01:42 |
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| niala | Erwyn: upadte | 01:47 |
| niala | update | 01:47 |
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| Erwyn | same thing after updating | 02:16 |
| Erwyn | still drak screen when pressing alt+tab | 02:16 |
| Erwyn | maybe there is an other way switching applications? | 02:16 |
| Erwyn | and my bluetooth still doesn't work | 02:16 |
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| Erwyn | someone has an idea? | 02:19 |
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| rittk | I've built a connman bearer plugin and installed it to the others... | 11:35 |
| rittk | now i SEE me wlan in the list of configurations but it still doesn't appears in the "Networks" applet | 11:35 |
| rittk | muahaha! | 11:35 |
| rittk | stupid meego | 11:35 |
| rittk | stupid gtk-based UXes in general | 11:36 |
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| Erwyn | Hi! | 12:30 |
| Erwyn | I have a couple of questions about my meego installations | 12:31 |
| rittk | so try to ask | 12:33 |
| Erwyn | why is it not possible to sync google calendar with meego, only contacts? | 12:33 |
| RST38h | Because Meego calendar does not support Google sync yet? =) | 12:37 |
| Erwyn | there isn't any way to use google calendar? | 12:38 |
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| rittk | meego isn't ready for use yet | 12:40 |
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| Erwyn | yeah i know but google is widely used so i thought that was already implemented and i didn't know how to use it | 12:42 |
| Erwyn | ok | 12:42 |
| rittk | no gcalendar, no usable media player, no workable network manager/gui, no handy config applets...no stable kernel after all | 12:42 |
| rittk | guess, nobody needs gcalendar there for now) | 12:42 |
| Erwyn | hinhin | 12:43 |
| Erwyn | and is it possible to install other apps like netbeans or things like this? | 12:44 |
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| rittk | #zypper se netbeans | 12:44 |
| rittk | No packages found. | 12:44 |
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| araujo | Erwyn, meego is still under *heavy* development | 12:48 |
| Erwyn | yeah I understand that but i thought it was already "usable" | 12:48 |
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| rittk | not yet. try again later | 12:49 |
| rittk | :P | 12:49 |
| rittk | for now its only hangable, crashable and unworkable:P | 12:50 |
| Erwyn | rittk: :) lol ok | 12:51 |
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| Erwyn | i'm sad, i realy wanted to use it | 12:53 |
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| CosmoHill | Erwyn: MeeGo 1.1 Notebook / Netbook gets released next week | 12:53 |
| Erwyn | yeah but will it be usable? | 12:54 |
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| rittk | nope ) | 12:54 |
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| Erwyn | rittk: bad boy :p | 12:55 |
| rittk | me? no, I'm good | 12:55 |
| Erwyn | I'll have to reinstall a debian or an archlinux on my netbook .... :( | 12:56 |
| CosmoHill | if you fancy a challenge, try vista | 12:56 |
| rittk | lol | 12:56 |
| CosmoHill | my friends laptop had 1GB, minimum for Vista, 128MB of that was given to the graphics card -.- | 12:57 |
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| Erwyn | CosmoHill: Oo yeah a vista good idea!!! | 13:02 |
| Erwyn | ) | 13:02 |
| Erwyn | :) | 13:02 |
| araujo | Erwyn, what it is "usable" it depends on each person needs | 13:02 |
| Erwyn | which distribution do you use on your netbooks? | 13:02 |
| araujo | I use Meego on my netbook , and it i usable for me now | 13:03 |
| CosmoHill | I don't have a netbook ^.^ | 13:03 |
| Erwyn | araujo: yeah, but i would like to sync with gcalendar, i would like to install some apps like netbeans etc... and according to rittk it's going to be quite difficult for me to do this | 13:04 |
| araujo | Erwyn, then for your needs, you need to wait bit longer | 13:04 |
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| Erwyn | araujo: yes.. | 13:05 |
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| CosmoHill | ha! netbeans on a netbook | 13:17 |
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| Erwyn | CosmoHill: it works :) don't be afraid | 13:34 |
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| niala | hello all, | 13:47 |
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| CosmoHill | bonjour niala | 13:50 |
| niala | how are you today CosmoHill | 13:50 |
| CosmoHill | je vais bien, merci | 13:50 |
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| CosmoHill | et toi? | 13:51 |
| niala | well I see 2 mouse on my touchscreen but It seems that meego do not really use them. | 13:51 |
| niala | CosmoHill: bien merci, il semble que tu fais moins de fautes en français que moi en anglais :) | 13:52 |
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| * CosmoHill translates that | 13:52 | |
| niala | CosmoHill: Russian earl grey tea is good? I like it but I want to know if it's a traditional english tea lol | 13:53 |
| CosmoHill | one of my goals is to learn french | 13:53 |
| niala | CosmoHill: very hard if I believe non french people | 13:54 |
| CosmoHill | if I'm honest, I just have PG tips | 13:54 |
| niala | PG ? | 13:55 |
| CosmoHill | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pg_tips | 13:55 |
| niala | I search an app for testing mltitouch-screen on meego.. any idea ? | 13:55 |
| CosmoHill | isn't there a paint like app? | 13:56 |
| niala | yes good idea | 13:56 |
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| CosmoHill | then draw a pair circles on it | 13:57 |
| CosmoHill | if things go well you're have two circles close to each other | 13:58 |
| niala | ok install gimp | 13:58 |
| CosmoHill | if they go badly you'll have lines going down the middle | 13:58 |
| niala | I will test your tea :) | 13:58 |
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| CosmoHill | you might like to try "gun powder" tea, I had some of my dad's and it was nice | 13:59 |
| niala | oh water on my cup is evaporated lol | 14:00 |
| niala | gun powder? I will strike people after? lol | 14:01 |
| CosmoHill | only if they interrupt you | 14:03 |
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| niala | mmmm I m not convinced by gimp | 14:10 |
| niala | reboot | 14:10 |
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| niala | dmesg | 14:24 |
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| CosmoHill | -bash: dmesg: command not found | 14:26 |
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| niala | tht's not normal CosmoHill ! | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | /sbin/dmesg | 14:29 |
| * CosmoHill was joking | 14:31 | |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: if you do double / it allows you to start with a / | 14:31 |
| CosmoHill | /sbin/bash | 14:31 |
| CosmoHill | see :) | 14:31 |
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| PontusOhman | Anyone in here that have ported an app from android to maemo? | 14:44 |
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| CosmoHill | try asking in #maemo | 14:45 |
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| lirakis | nokia is stupid, they treat their customers like crap, they have a shit for brains marketing department, and they have no for site of the mobile market. Having been a n n810, and n900 user (ditched them for my nexus one) and dealt with nokia's shit - I hope they stick with meego so I can watch the product totally bomb and hopefully they will lose a lot of money too. serves them right for being ass holes to their customers | 15:11 |
| lirakis | ok bye bye :D | 15:11 |
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| crismon_ | hi, is there a smegool father in chat? | 15:51 |
| CosmoHill | Smeegol is made by OpenSuse, not MeeGo. please use their channel for support | 15:51 |
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| crismon_ | CosmoHill Thanl you | 15:52 |
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| Nandeco | need some help | 17:36 |
| Nandeco | i know tha there is a way to make my fedora looks like meego | 17:36 |
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| Nandeco | any one can help? | 17:37 |
| smithna | I've been trying to take screenshots of my meego install (to illustrate some issues) and installed imagemagik to get "import". What's the best way to use that to take a screenshot? Doing "sleep 30; import -window root screen.jpg" from a terminal and then opening an app doesn't work right | 17:37 |
| niala | smithna: hello, you have an application in app-panel--->accessories | 17:39 |
| smithna | Nope, no accessories section (I'm using the IVI image) | 17:40 |
| smithna | what app from there? I could install it from another image | 17:40 |
| niala | ah ok well I don't know sorry | 17:41 |
| smithna | np | 17:41 |
| niala | I t's gnome-screenshot on netbook | 17:42 |
| niala | smithna: | 17:42 |
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| jocelyn | plop | 17:48 |
| jocelyn | i've just install MeeGo | 17:48 |
| jocelyn | but before i had ubuntu on my netbook with separate home in ext4 | 17:49 |
| jocelyn | and i can't use it | 17:49 |
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| jocelyn | someone have a solution ? | 17:49 |
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| smithna | thanks niala | 17:49 |
| jocelyn | or could help me | 17:49 |
| jocelyn | where as that the same ^^' | 17:50 |
| smithna | jocelyn: what do you mean "can't use it"? | 17:50 |
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| niala | you must certainly edit extlinux.conf | 17:51 |
| jocelyn | Meego doesn't manage ext4 | 17:51 |
| jocelyn | so in the install i have put no home | 17:51 |
| jocelyn | but i'd like to still use the partition | 17:52 |
| smithna | check to see if ext4 support is included in your image -- if so, edit your fstab file to add it in. | 17:52 |
| jocelyn | i've try this page : http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1692 | 17:53 |
| jocelyn | but the "insmod fs/jbd2/jbd2.ko | 17:54 |
| jocelyn | insmod fs/ext4/ext4.ko" doesn't exist | 17:54 |
| niala | *ah well ext4 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1692 | 17:54 |
| niala | :/ | 17:54 |
| dm8tbr | yummy, build-yer-own-module | 17:55 |
| jocelyn | dm8tbr: ? | 17:56 |
| smithna | It looks like netbook doesn't have the module for ext4 support built by default, so you have to build it.... | 17:57 |
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| niala | cost a "little" time depends of your hardware | 17:57 |
| jocelyn | well, that's not the purpose of ths topic ? http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1692 | 17:57 |
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| smithna | jocelyn: so if you followed the steps from that forum, you know have a brand new kernel, right? | 18:01 |
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| jocelyn | smithna: i think so | 18:08 |
| jocelyn | but, the most simple would be to install an ubuntu, backup my data, and install MeeGo | 18:10 |
| jocelyn | no ? | 18:10 |
| niala | just for booting on buntu? | 18:11 |
| niala | or to mount partition ext4 from meego | 18:11 |
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| CosmoHill | hi Alison_Chaiken | 19:59 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Hi CosmoHill. I'm going to spend an hour hacking and then go for a run in the rain. And I've just signed up for Finnish lessons in Berkeley! | 20:00 |
| CosmoHill | oh dear lord...I mean good luck with the lessons | 20:00 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Seems like people are always happy if you try to learn just a bit of a completely different language. Who knows, if the Finnish goes well, mebbe I'll even try C++. | 20:01 |
| mihero | :) | 20:01 |
| mihero | c++ would be easier | 20:02 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Anyone else in the SF Bay Area who wants to learn a bit of Finn, ping me, as group lessons are cheaper. Will be in Berkeley, maybe one night a week. | 20:11 |
| Alison_Chaiken | To work with Intel, please study x86 assembly instead. | 20:12 |
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| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, I was in Helsinki recently and had my first real lesson in Finnish - at a local subway | 20:30 |
| lcuk | my teeth nearly fell out attempting some of the names of the salads! | 20:30 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | lcuk, how was travelling around Helsinki without Finnish? | 20:30 |
| * lcuk thanks araujo for pushing him | 20:30 | |
| Jartza | easy | 20:31 |
| Alison_Chaiken | lcuk, I can point at salads. I just want to be friendly. Learning Finnish should make me smarter. | 20:31 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, easier than travelling around other countries/cities | 20:31 |
| lcuk | most people there speak English to a degree also | 20:31 |
| Jartza | yes | 20:31 |
| Jartza | especially in helsinki area | 20:32 |
| * lcuk found the atmosphere great and tried to say kiitos when appropriate | 20:32 | |
| Jartza | finnish is easy. even babies can learn it! :) | 20:33 |
| lcuk | Jartza, yes, i bet if I had been born in Finland I would be able to speak it also | 20:34 |
| dm8tbr | that reminds me ot the page I saw the other day... | 20:34 |
| Jartza | yep | 20:34 |
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| dm8tbr | Further I'd pose that trying to learn finnish while living in any of the major cities is bound to fail. | 20:36 |
| dm8tbr | I've spent more than a year in Tampere and am not much further than I was when I arrived. | 20:36 |
| lcuk | dm8tbr, is that due to your lack of motivation? | 20:37 |
| lcuk | since theres no real need? | 20:37 |
| dm8tbr | yes, I can count the cases where a person didn't speak _any_ english on one hand | 20:37 |
| lcuk | perhaps a word a day calendar would be useful :) | 20:39 |
| dm8tbr | it doesn't help either that my GF speaks pretty decent english, but we do manage to train my finncrypt codec once in a while. | 20:39 |
| Jartza | http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/media.php?id=75700 | 20:40 |
| Jartza | :) | 20:40 |
| dm8tbr | I need to take a longer look at finnish grammar. I'm good with the vocabulary. | 20:41 |
| dm8tbr | Also need to get back to reading/listening to news in simple finnish. A very nice service by YLE. | 20:41 |
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| Jartza | I heard a lot of similar stories during my time at Nokia | 20:42 |
| Jartza | a lot of foreign people working for Nokia like 3 to 5 years, living in finland and no real need to learn finnish :) | 20:42 |
| dm8tbr | finnish vodka? does that exist in finland? | 20:42 |
| Jartza | except when they finally tried to get the nationality | 20:43 |
| * dm8tbr will stay with kossu | 20:43 | |
| Jartza | dm8tbr: finlandia vodka or koskenkorva vodka :) | 20:43 |
| dm8tbr | heh, yeah, you have the choice to speak one of 5 languages | 20:43 |
| dm8tbr | Jartza: kossu is strictly not a vodka | 20:43 |
| dm8tbr | and finlandia is an export product | 20:43 |
| Jartza | koskenkorvan viina is not, but koskenkorva vodka is :) | 20:43 |
| Jartza | different product | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | mm, koskenkorva | 20:44 |
| dm8tbr | does that sell in significant numbers? | 20:44 |
| * dm8tbr only ever sees number-13 | 20:44 | |
| Jartza | dunno | 20:45 |
| Jartza | I usually buy "russian standard" :) | 20:45 |
| dm8tbr | Jartza: my GF says she doesn't remember ever seeing/trying that ;) | 20:45 |
| Jartza | oh | 20:46 |
| dm8tbr | is that russian brake-fluid? ;) | 20:46 |
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| Jartza | nope. it's a nice vodka. | 20:46 |
| Jartza | I'd say one of the best. | 20:47 |
| dm8tbr | mkay, gotta try that | 20:47 |
| Jartza | http://www.russianstandard.com/ | 20:48 |
| Jartza | :D | 20:48 |
| dm8tbr | which reminds me that I need to restock Żubrówka | 20:48 |
| Jartza | just realised: looking at vodka on web-page is actually quite non-rewarding | 20:49 |
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| lcuk | Jartza, new lickscreen technology should improve matters | 20:54 |
| Jartza | :) | 20:54 |
| Jartza | meanwhile we're waiting for that, I still prefer the real thing :) | 20:55 |
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| dm8tbr | to that tune, time to fix me an nice Żubrówka drink with apple juice. Jartza feel free to visit for tasting. ;) | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, my wife likes that mix too :P | 20:58 |
| Jartza | dm8tbr: I might be too far :/ | 20:59 |
| Jartza | if you're in helsinki | 21:00 |
| dm8tbr | Jartza: well, next time you visit T:re | 21:00 |
| Jartza | oh, tampere :) | 21:00 |
| Jartza | I live in nummi-pusula | 21:00 |
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| Jartza | 70km towards turku from helsinki. in the middle of nowhere, that is | 21:01 |
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| Jartza | I do visit tampere from time to time, not sure when next time | 21:03 |
| Jartza | I'm a travelling trainer | 21:03 |
| dm8tbr | Jartza: ah, spent a weekend not too far from there this summer. | 21:03 |
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| Jartza | it's peaceful and quiet in here | 21:04 |
| dm8tbr | like most of Finland :) | 21:05 |
| Jartza | yes :) | 21:05 |
| Jartza | but even more in here | 21:05 |
| Jartza | it's just me and deers | 21:05 |
| Jartza | :D | 21:05 |
| dm8tbr | I'd love to settle somewhere in Pohjois-Karjala | 21:05 |
| Jartza | why there? | 21:05 |
| dm8tbr | Spent many a summer around there | 21:06 |
| Jartza | that would be a bit too far from anything for me | 21:06 |
| Jartza | this is just fine, it's about an hour to helsinki, two to tampere, one and half to turku :) | 21:07 |
| dm8tbr | next to a lake, and then an airplane with pontoons. | 21:07 |
| Jartza | but still a countryside | 21:07 |
| dm8tbr | yes, certainly nicely close to many places | 21:07 |
| dm8tbr | and everywhere else you can take a plane from H:ki | 21:08 |
| Jartza | yes | 21:11 |
| Jartza | or a trin | 21:11 |
| Jartza | train | 21:11 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo Texrat :) | 22:39 |
| Texrat | heya | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | how's it going? | 22:39 |
| Texrat | just reinstalled pidgin, setting up accounts | 22:39 |
| Texrat | working my ass off | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:39 |
| Texrat | so much to do for conference, work, etc | 22:40 |
| Texrat | you? | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | we have meego 1.1 around the corner and already people are rebelling on tmo.. | 22:40 |
| Texrat | lol | 22:40 |
| Texrat | and so much fud on twitter | 22:40 |
| Texrat | tmo is on life support :/ | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | i just want to have 1.1 out of the door so we can start getting 1.2 to a proper platform state | 22:40 |
| frals | Stskeeps: did you honestly not see that coming from trolls.maemo.org? :P | 22:41 |
| Texrat | ha | 22:41 |
| Texrat | sure I did | 22:41 |
| Texrat | and I see a troll here and there at meego now | 22:41 |
| Texrat | soon a flood... | 22:41 |
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| Stskeeps | IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo! thread is a blast. | 22:42 |
| Texrat | Quim suggested I become a meeGo moderator but I'll wait until after conference | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | +1 | 22:42 |
| Texrat | lol | 22:42 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Life is just full of tragedies, it seems | 22:42 |
| Texrat | man I can't wait for Dublin, but i have sooo much to do | 22:42 |
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| Texrat | and hey, where is your feedback on my Greeters lightning draft? | 22:43 |
| Texrat | sheesh | 22:43 |
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| Stskeeps | Texrat: hrm, i must have commented it in my head then | 22:43 |
| Texrat | feh | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | Texrat: i work by the UNIX method, if there's no reply, i liked the input | 22:43 |
| Texrat | a busy place, your head | 22:43 |
| Texrat | a, ok | 22:43 |
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| Stskeeps | and i did, thought it was fun :) | 22:43 |
| Texrat | I guess I work by windows method: silence means crash | 22:44 |
| mikhas | perhaps we should block access to tmo for Stskeeps, so he can work uninterrupted =p | 22:44 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, if there is no reply it expects more input | 22:44 |
| Texrat | I am liking this new pidgin | 22:44 |
| Texrat | +1 mikhas | 22:44 |
| Texrat | lol lcuk | 22:45 |
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| Stskeeps | i did actually add 127.0.0.1 talk.maemo.org for a bit | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:45 |
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| Texrat | I think I recall you saying that stskeeps | 22:45 |
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| Stskeeps | i think we're really seeing the downside of a device with 'no limits' in what it can do.. | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | people are never satisfied. | 22:46 |
| Texrat | yes, hard to define | 22:46 |
| mikhas | should have done an iphone clone, damnit | 22:47 |
| Texrat | stskeeps, on greeters presentation, did the "or fly to Dublin" slide come off ok? | 22:47 |
| Texrat | -10000000 mikhas | 22:47 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: You are seeing the downside of marketing it as an uberphone | 22:47 |
| Texrat | mobile computer!!! | 22:47 |
| mikhas | hahah, good one, RST38h has seen *marketing* for the N900 | 22:48 |
| RST38h | Texrat: What is N95 then?And N97? | 22:48 |
| CosmoHill | über handy! | 22:48 |
| Texrat | toys | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | Texrat: if described properly, yes | 22:48 |
| CosmoHill | bricks? | 22:48 |
| RST38h | Texrat: Nokia marketing disagrees with your statement on N95/N97 | 22:48 |
| RST38h | Each of them has been advertized as "the first mobile computer" | 22:48 |
| Texrat | I have a blog article brewing on the whole mobile computer thing... just pulling it all together | 22:48 |
| Texrat | feh to Nokia marketing | 22:49 |
| lcuk | no limits is one thing, having a focused specific user exciteable set of use cases is another ;) | 22:49 |
| Texrat | they created this mess | 22:49 |
| Texrat | +1 lcuk | 22:49 |
| Texrat | Nokia lists features of device, apple simply says "it can do THIS" | 22:49 |
| Texrat | we know which one works | 22:50 |
| CosmoHill | you mean translating geek into english? | 22:50 |
| Texrat | more or less | 22:50 |
| Texrat | clear, simple, compelling | 22:50 |
| Texrat | average user glazes over on epic Nokia feature lists | 22:51 |
| CosmoHill | would you prefer 801.11n wireless technology or "super fast wifi" | 22:51 |
| Texrat | right | 22:51 |
| Texrat | latter | 22:51 |
| lcuk | neither CosmoHill | 22:51 |
| frals | and proclaming it as some kind of new innovation none has ever done before ;) | 22:51 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: but it has the word "super" in it | 22:51 |
| lcuk | "internet everywhere" | 22:51 |
| Texrat | lcuk = spoiler | 22:51 |
| lcuk | i dont care the technology | 22:52 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: you mean mobile interweb or HPDSA something or other | 22:52 |
| Texrat | lcuk he was making a point | 22:52 |
| lcuk | if it has to light a little fire and send smoke signals | 22:52 |
| lcuk | i must be able to twit from the bathroom damnit! :P | 22:52 |
| * RST38h notes how tired he has got of discussing various Nokia failures, real andimagined | 22:53 | |
| Texrat | on another note, I was told yesterday Nokia Dallas operation lost 100+ people | 22:53 |
| Texrat | it's damn near gone | 22:53 |
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| lcuk | :( | 22:53 |
| CosmoHill | you should present \ first with geek available, so if we want to find out more we can | 22:53 |
| CosmoHill | s/\/English/ | 22:53 |
| infobot | CosmoHill meant: you should present English first with geek available, so if we want to find out more we can | 22:53 |
| RST38h | Just leave the damn company alone to fire another few thousand of its employees and either get back on track or get off the cliff | 22:53 |
| Texrat | sure CosmoHill: vet with geeks, then aim at users | 22:53 |
| Texrat | agree with infobot: I like the drilldown approach | 22:54 |
| Texrat | works best overall | 22:54 |
| CosmoHill | you don't want a phone where someone goes "what does that mean? I know, I'll ask Cosmo, he knows a lot about computers" | 22:55 |
| CosmoHill | (this happens) | 22:56 |
| CosmoHill | small words make it easier to understand and tweet | 22:57 |
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| lcuk | systems support over twitter is always amusing | 22:57 |
| lcuk | at least with irc you dont have the 140ch limit | 22:57 |
| CosmoHill | oh god | 22:58 |
| lcuk | RST38h, did you manage to get emulib building in qt? | 22:59 |
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