IRC log of #meego for Saturday, 2010-10-23

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aukeandre__: bugzilla is running on servers maintained by the infrastructure team (which is on the wiki)00:04
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aukeandre__: the installation (software) is maintained by intel QA folks in China mostly00:04
andre__auke: yupp. And the "Owners" column on http://wiki.meego.com/Web_infrastructure is completely empty.00:05
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aukeDawnFoster: we need some names in here - http://wiki.meego.com/Web_infrastructure - unless they're already stated otherwise elsewhere00:06
andre__and no "Details" section link for Bugs.meego.com, that could e.g. link to http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGoBugzilla_Customization00:06
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aukerittk: you around?00:16
rittkauke: yep00:16
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aukerittk: can you pastebot me `lspci -nn` from that ideapad you have somewhere for me?00:16
rittkauke: have to boot it00:17
aukeplease :)00:17
DawnFosterauke / andre__: Yeah, we have everything spread out now and are moving everything to OSU00:17
andre__OSU = ?00:18
aukeOregon State U00:18
DawnFosteronce we get things straightened out, we'll have a better idea of who owns everything.00:18
andre__ah00:18
aukeour ISP00:18
DawnFosterthe open source lab there hosts a bunch of big open source projects00:18
andre__"ISP" I know :-P00:18
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araujomm00:19
araujohello00:19
araujoanybody knows if we are getting the SDK images update any time soon?00:19
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araujothey seem to be lagging behind latest images quite a bit ...00:20
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rittkauke: http://pastebin.com/h5w8cWfw00:20
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aukethanks00:21
araujoDawnFoster, nice (about OSU)00:21
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rittkauke: even more: http://pastebin.com/b7ZCyd0r00:21
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rittkwhat kind ofchanges in the `daily` repo?00:42
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niala /me note that asus t101 works ou of the box00:45
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nialarittk: actually qt4.7 is in daily and not in 'official'00:46
nialait's the big change for me00:47
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rittkI meant, what the changes are between daily (2010.10.21) and daily (2010.10.22) for example00:48
* rittk installs 170MiB of packges w/o knowing what was changed and why00:49
nialabut I m just a simple user and it's beta of course.00:50
rittkhehe, zypper failed00:50
nialaI have gcc on update just now rittk and a lot of stuff00:50
nialaah lol maybe me to later ?00:51
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nialarittk: which version of meego do you use00:56
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nialafrom which repos?00:56
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rittkniala: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/01:05
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nialarittk: I have the same  repos and I Update from  2010 10 08   700M   I tell you if that works or no01:10
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nialaIf I not sleeping01:12
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rittkit works01:18
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nialahow to rotate screen?01:45
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aukegrab sides of display, lift, move hands counter-clockwise 90 degrees rotating around the centerpoint of the screen?01:53
aukeniala: on what platform?01:53
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rittkbtw, is there a giro sensor in that lenovo thing?01:56
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aukeI actually don't know01:59
aukeprobably, yes01:59
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nialahello auke, on netbook02:03
aukenetbook UX doesn't support rotation except for xrandr manual setting02:04
nialaok I ll see02:04
rittkwhy not?02:05
aukewhy would it? when it was written there were no netbooks with rotating screens02:06
rittkyou can rotate it via zrandr - who cares?)02:06
rittkXXI century )02:06
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aukezrandr? you mean xrandr02:08
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rittkyep. typo02:10
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rittkwe have Z and X quite close to each other here ))02:11
rittk*which recalls me how was I scared when didn't find some of them where they should be (in germany)02:17
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niala1hello CosmoHill02:19
niala1your keyboard is moving alone?02:19
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CosmoHillit has pretty lights02:21
niala1it will be nice if netbbok can be luminous02:22
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niala1abd other keyboard to02:23
CosmoHillmy powerbook has a back lit keyboard and my desktop has a light up one too02:23
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CosmoHillI can't find my back lit laptop picture so have a weasel: http://black-flag.co.uk/files/inocent-weasel.jpg02:27
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smithnaDoes anyone know how devices.conf works? (if it's still used).  I have IVI running on a screen that's not using the 800x480(?) resolution.  Meego handset video/pictures/music/etc all render incorrectly due to that (I'm guessing)02:41
aukethat's a bad hack, it should autodetect the panel size through libXrandr extensions02:42
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rittkby the way, where is libXshape package?)02:53
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rittkit's header(s) seems to be missed on meego02:54
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rittkerr, my fault03:05
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rittkit called libXext-devel here03:05
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niala1fennec is not full screen on netbook 10"03:16
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CosmoHillnight night / bonne nuit03:20
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niala1night cos03:22
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smithnalibmeegotouchsettings.css -- lives where?  Anyone?05:10
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nialagddfffffffffff test06:19
araujo?06:19
nialakeyboard touchscreen test06:20
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araujo:)06:24
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Guest81330I  have installed feew packages of Xorg and created a meego image ..now I m cross compiling Qt on my host machine for arm (meego image) ..I am getting error07:51
Guest81330Basic XLib functionality test failed!07:51
Guest81330 You might need to modify the include and library search paths by editing07:51
Guest81330 QMAKE_INCDIR_X11 and QMAKE_LIBDIR_X11 in /home/umang/qtarmsrc/qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.7.0/mkspecs/qws/linux-arm-gnueabi-g++.07:51
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Guest81330so do I need to include any X11 specific package in ks fille for this test to succeded07:51
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lbtaraujo: am now...11:10
Stskeepsmorn lbt11:12
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lbtgood morning Carsten :)11:12
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araujohi lbt11:25
araujolbt, well, basically I wanted to know about BOSS :)11:25
lbtcool11:26
lbtin what context?11:26
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araujoin the wiki I just found a brief description, but I wonder if there is some tutorial or doc explaining in more details about it11:26
lbtso have you seen http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/BOSS/Design11:28
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thiagois there an EMPLOYEE infrastructure too?11:28
lbtand all the various links off there (and yes I need to get the wiki docs tidied up)11:28
lbtthiago: heh... no need11:29
lbtwe have robogrator11:29
lbtthe robotic integrator11:29
lbt"all your commit belong to us"11:29
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araujolbt, ooh, I see it now, thanks :)11:31
lbtaraujo: especially follow the "There is an overview of Ruote which explains how it works. "  link11:32
lbtand having read stuff please come back to me11:32
Guest81330I want to install x11-dev on meego ..what pkg name shud I give to my KS file using mic ??11:33
lbtaraujo: we're working to prepare templates and such11:33
araujolbt, yeah, I noticed that one, pretty much what i was looking for!, Thanks!11:33
araujolbt, I will :)11:33
lbtand the main code is just a "zypper in"11:33
lbtaraujo: This is a real process definition :  http://pastie.org/1213979    each 'action' is a distributed call to a remote 'script' to do something (like update bugzilla)11:35
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araujolbt, nice, this would be like a process through the Meego OBS ??, a Ruote process..11:40
lbtyes11:41
araujoI see :)11:45
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lbtbear in mind that many uses of ruote are about things like handling purchase orders11:47
lbtin general araujo it's about integrating OBS into your organisation's working practices11:47
lbtspeaking of which... who are you ;) (if you don't mind me asking)11:47
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ferroryhi all17:53
niala_awayhi, somebody know wich kernel will be used in next update?17:53
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ferroryi have problems with meego. It does not start-up, so I want to recover the files. But the filesystem is btrfs. I can not mount the drive. Can anybody help me with this.17:54
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ferrory400 people and nobody can help me?17:56
djszapiwhy does not it boot ?17:56
nialahi ferrory, is your harddisk broken?  in fact more people in weeks than the we17:56
nialahi djszapi17:57
ferroryIf i know. But propably corrupt filesystem. It is flash. I can mount /dev/sda1 but /dev/sda2 is unknown.17:57
ferroryi don't know17:57
nialacan you boot on a live system and then mount the 'corrupted' ?17:57
ferrory:/dev/sda3 is btrfs, /dev/sda4 does not exists. and /dev/sda5 is swap17:58
ferroryI only can mount /dev/sda1.17:58
ferrorysee other info17:58
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ferrorymounting of the btrfs filesystem causes linux to crash or it takes for ever.17:59
ferroryso maybe I use the wrong commands...17:59
nialafsck.btrfs /dev/sdX18:00
djszapihi niala :)18:00
felipecniala: that's only checking, not fixing18:01
djszapinot true18:02
djszapigrep for repair in its help output18:03
ferrorycommand is not found. Which operation system can I use for it. I am now using SystemRescue-Cd 1.6.218:03
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nialaare you on meego? what is sysRescue.... ?18:05
ferrorylive cd with filesystem tools18:06
felipecdjszapi: https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org <- it's right there on the intro18:06
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djszapifelipec: ahh yes, really I was so comfortable the existing tools can do that :)18:09
djszapisorry, my mistake.18:09
djszapiferrory: cannot you reboot a system on sdcard ?18:10
ferroryhow do you mean? I boot it from a live usb18:10
ferrorywhat do you mean?18:10
djszapifelipec: btw, checking is also more than nothing :)18:10
ferrorysorry for my english18:10
djszapidid it work from usb earlier ?18:11
nialaand what about 'btrfsck' that does nothing ? wiki disturbed me18:11
ferroryi did not try that command... I am loading meego on the usb stick.18:12
djszapiI would give it a try, if you really suspect filesystem of doing that.18:13
felipecdjszapi: yes, but if it works, that would only tell ferrory that indeed his fs is screwed18:13
djszapistill better than nothing :)18:14
felipecferrory: you can try btrfsck on your PC18:14
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ferroryyeah gone try now18:15
nialabtrfsck   btrfs-convert btrfsctl btrfs-debug-tree  btrfs-show  btrfs-vol18:16
ferrorycommand completed18:18
ferrorywhich info do you guys want?18:18
nialaand on live you can mount your partition ?18:19
ferrorywhich cmmands do I need to use?18:19
* niala do not save his ssd hard disk last week 18:19
nialamount /dev/xxx  /mnt18:20
ferrorystarted and how long should it take?18:20
nialareplace xx with your harddisk of course .  sdb3  I suppose18:20
djszapidepends on the /dev/xxx18:21
djszapilawl :)18:21
ferroryyeah yeah. I know that part ;)18:21
djszapiferrory: fdisk -l18:21
djszapiand you can see there what you might want to mount :P18:21
ferrorymount is running now18:21
nialals /mnt18:22
CosmoHillbonjour niala18:22
CosmoHillcomment ça va?18:22
ferroryyeah I know but mount is stull running18:22
nialahey what a terrible accent CosmoHill. have a nice day18:23
CosmoHill:o18:23
ferrorystill mounting?18:24
ferrory? = !18:24
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nialawhen a HD run and never stop often is broken18:25
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ferroryit is a ssd.18:25
ferroryor flash. Because it is a cheap acer one18:25
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nialammmm well my ssd to last week is a curse18:26
nialahe live 1,5 years18:27
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ferroryThe problems occur a month a go after my sister came back from Africa. All her pictures movies are on it.18:27
ferroryIis there not another way to recover data?18:29
nialaI failed18:30
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ferrory???18:32
nialaI failed to restore my ssd I haven't any solution18:32
nialaCosmoHill: how is the weather today?18:33
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CosmoHillit's very nice18:36
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CosmoHillfrom my room I can see what looks like a ring of cloud far away18:36
nialanice, here to18:37
CosmoHillI figured out that Le Mans is closer to me than Glasgow :o18:38
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nialaLe Mans? why Le Mans?18:39
CosmoHillI have family there18:39
CosmoHillout of those to most people would have picked on Glasow18:40
nialacool nice to have family in other country for holliday, but Le Mans not very sexy ;)18:40
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CosmoHillwell they do live on a farm18:41
nialaand a horribily internet conexion lol18:42
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ferrory btrfsctl -S new_subvol_name /mnt/btrfs What is new_subvol_name I don't see that anywhere. I just used btrfs-show and Label: none18:43
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* CosmoHill dances cos Reading scored :)18:50
nialaCosmoHill: vs ?18:52
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CosmoHillBurnley, they're one above us in the table18:52
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nialaso it's important! lol18:56
Stskeepslo jebba18:56
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CosmoHillniala: sweet, 4 - 0 now :D18:58
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jebbaheya18:59
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nialais 2.6.35-rc1 > 2.6.35.3-9.4  ?19:01
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CosmoHillno19:02
jebbaa couple quick questions, if you happen to know them off the top of your head: using the OBS appliance with kvm do you *have* to set up a tap network? I dont quite see why this would be necessary, but booting it up it complains about dhcp even though it has an address.   Also, when obs is cross compiling, it is using a "real" gcc cross-compiler and such, it doesn't need qemu for anything right? In other words, is qemu needed for any of the *building* of rpms?19:02
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CosmoHill2.6.35-rc1 is the release candidate for 2.6.35.019:03
Stskeepsjebba: qemu is used for any arm binaries (qemu-arm, not qemu-system-arm)19:03
Stskeepsjebba: for the cross compilation and bash, x86 stuff is used for speed19:03
jebbaStskeeps: but when are the arm binaries needed/run?  During build?19:03
Stskeepsjebba: yeah19:03
Stskeepsjebba: most apps don't cross compile nicely19:04
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jebbaah ok, that's what i figured. Almost better to natively compile when available then, no?19:04
Stskeepsnah, cross compilation + emulated arm binaries is far superior to native arm compilation19:04
Stskeepsin compilation time19:05
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jebbadue to speed of x86 processors, and relative slowness of arm makes it better, ya.   But if there were reasonable speed arm servers, it would likely be better to natively compile (hypothetically). Anyway, i get the bigger picture of how obs manage it then, thx.  :)19:06
* Stskeeps is having a nice afternoon trying to generate a hardfp glibc..19:06
Stskeepstalk about a hard lesson..19:06
jebbaAlso, about the TAP interface. Is that needed for the appliance if run under kvm?19:06
Stskeepsno idea, but i guess the TAP is for virtual network19:07
jebbaya, kvm can do lots of different virtual network methods. The "standard" one appears to barf with the obs appliance though.19:07
Stskeepsi haven't tried to make any workers yet, so :/ just one inside the appliance19:08
jebbaI have a "regular" build box with no VT extensions and a faster box with VT, so i'm trying to figure out where to put this thing and whether to do it under kvm etc...19:08
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jebbaso (in theory again), you could have one central x86 OBS appliance server and a bunch of n900s doing the "worker" part natively?19:09
Stskeepssomeone did that using some arm boards, yeah19:09
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jebbaok, cool, thanks for answering my Qs, I know where i'll put it now  :)19:10
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vljhi19:20
vljvgrade: there is a new emgd release19:20
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* jebba starting with obs-server.x86_64-2.1.0-Build2.4.raw.bz219:21
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Stskeepsvlj: url?19:31
vljhttp://edc.intel.com/Software/Downloads/EMGD/#download19:31
vlj1/5 release, 6 october19:32
Stskeepsah19:32
vljwell new because I did not see it before ;)19:32
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vljis there a symbian simulator in qt 4.7 ?19:47
vljthere is a nokia qt sdk but it is up to qt 4.6.2 ...19:48
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thiagothe sdk with 4.7 will come soon19:49
thiagoyou can take the 1.0 SDK and simply build 4.7 in it19:49
vljerr..."simply build" ?19:49
thiagoyep19:50
thiagorebuild Qt19:50
* thiago is doing that right now btw19:50
thiago4.7.219:50
vlj4.7.2 ? ;)19:50
thiagoyes19:50
vljthere is a 4.7.2 release ?19:50
thiagono19:50
vlj4.7.1 ?19:50
thiagoTuesday19:50
thiagoso what's in 4.7 right now will be 4.7.219:51
vljok19:51
vljbut there is no 4.7.1 ?19:51
thiagoTuesday19:51
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vljok19:51
vljand 4.7.2 ?19:51
thiagobefore the end of the year19:51
vljI'm lost with all theses qt versions19:51
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vljok19:51
* thiago thought that the monotonic progression was easy to follow19:52
vljwell there is several QT version proposed on qt download page19:52
vlj4.7, 4.6.3 for maemo19:52
thiagoit's not like we're numbering III, IV, V, 3, 4, 5.2, 2, 8, 9, 1019:52
vljand now there is a qt 4.7.1 :p19:52
thiago4.7 for maemo 5 will also happen soon19:53
vljok19:53
thiagowith PR 1.319:54
vljand 4.7.2 for symbian ^3 will be updated by firmware or it should always be installed manually ?19:55
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thiagothat I don't know19:57
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Myrttihumdidum20:41
alangday!20:41
sivangMyrtti: ?20:41
MyrttiI just proclaimed my Nexus One beyond my skills, not even fastboot works on it... time to take it to professionals20:42
Myrttimore cider!20:42
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araujolbt, hi there, sorry, I went away yesterday night :)21:34
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silemmehello22:01
Myrttiohai22:01
nialaj #qt22:01
silemmeinstall meego on N8 is possible ?22:02
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MyrttiI've not heard of anyone succeeding in it22:05
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Myrttinot that I've heard anyone trying either22:05
silemme1thanks22:07
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Linexhow complete is meego for handset. When can we see the first phone on meego ?22:07
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silemmeN9 in decembre22:08
Myrttiyour guess is as good as anyones22:08
LinexHow many apps are ready for meego handset ?22:08
Myrttisilemme: can you give me a source for that?22:08
araujosilemme, that will be 2011 actually ...22:09
araujohttp://meegoexperts.com/2010/10/stephen-elop-nokias-meego-device-will-2011-event/22:09
silemmehttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/19/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/22:10
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Myrttisilemme: and in where in that article does it say that Nokia representative has confirmed that the device will be published in December?22:11
RST38hForget the device. The device is overrated anyway.22:12
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RST38hYou want the device, get one of these: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Fat_man.jpg22:13
CosmoHillI like that when you log in as "root" on smeegol they go "have fun"22:13
Alison_ChaikenI will be officially joining the MeeGo team next month. I look forward to meeting and working with all of you.   Starting new job by attending MeeGoCon in Dublin .  .  .22:14
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lbtwelcome Alison_Chaiken :)22:14
lbtwhat area are you working in?22:15
* ljp wonders why anyone would want to put meego on n822:15
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LinexHow many apps are ready for meego handset ?22:16
Alison_Chaikenlbt, I will be "Senior Solutions Manager" here in California, working to create demos and reference designs to showcase device interoperability using meego.22:17
lbtnice...22:17
CosmoHillAlison_Chaiken: welcomne22:17
lbtAlison_Chaiken: in that case I hope your playground will be the community OBS :)22:17
silemmeinstall meego on N8 is possible ?22:19
lbtsilemme: as far as I know that's not possible... certainly no-one here has mentioned it22:19
Alison_Chaikenlbt, Obstructive Bowel Syndrome?22:21
Alison_Chaikensilemme, N8 is arm11 and it looks like there's an arm11 port.   I'm more tempted to try to put MeeGo on Chumby .  .  .22:22
lbthttp://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder22:23
lbterr http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure is better22:23
silemmeAlison_Chalken : Chumby ?22:24
ljpsilemme: anything is possible, but probable? hardly22:24
Alison_Chaikensilemme, here's what I ordered: https://store.chumby.com/?products_id=102  If I get meego working, I'll let everyone know.22:26
ljpAlison_Chaiken: shouldn't be all that difficult22:26
lbt<grin> ... I nearly bought a chumby about 2 years ago.... got an N800 instead.... and here I am ;)22:26
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Alison_Chaikenljp, those words have oft left my lips. Now I'm old and know better.22:29
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ljpok, let me rephrase that, shouldn't be all that difficult, as opposed to getting meego on n8 :) better?22:30
StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: chumby is armv5 or v6?22:30
ljpAlison_Chaiken: biggest thing might be which graphics chip it uses... *sigh*22:31
lbtljp: good point22:31
Stskeepsljp: well, thats what i thought until i saw the htc desire video22:32
Stskeepscompliance in that area however..22:32
ljphow come I always associate the word 'compliance' with borg...22:32
Stskeepsin practice armv7 is rapidly becoming the armv5/armv6's replacement for cheap devices22:34
Stskeepsi mean, check price of a pandaboard..22:34
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* ljp wants to see meego running on a furby22:36
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nialath0br0: ping23:25
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th0br0niala: pong23:29
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Alison_ChaikenStskeeps, chumby one is Freescale i.MX233, which is Arm 9.  LCD is driven by CPU; see http://files.chumby.com/hackerboard/chumby_hackerboard.pdf23:35
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slingram I wrong to think that meego was/is being developed for x86 arch?23:41
CosmoHillslingr: MeeGo 1.1 for x86 will be released on Wednesday23:42
CosmoHill(Netbook)23:42
Alison_Chaikenslingr, meego is developed for x86 but already runs on ARM too (e.g. N900).23:43
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slingryeah.  I thought the arm devel was backport specifically for n900 (since we are being left with a dead OS)23:45
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nialath0br0: multi touch works on your t101? I have only one finger and left clic23:48
nialath0br0: hello first, sorry :)23:49
th0br0niala: i don't own a netbook.23:49
th0br0other than that, i guess you'll have to tweak the xorg configs23:49
th0br0if multi touch is supported by the touchpad23:49
nialais not23:50
Alison_ChaikenMy understanding based on asking questions at LinuxCon expo is that there are long-term plans for Arm support, but I have no official word or inside info.23:50
th0br0only the t101-mt seems to support it, niala, i guess?23:50
th0br0Alison_Chaiken: there is the n900 project.23:51
th0br0Alison_Chaiken: join #meego-arm maybe23:51
Alison_Chaikenth0br0, I agree about n900; just commenting I expect based on what I heard @ LinuxCon to see more ARM support for meego, but don't have any official word.23:52
thiagomeego supports ARM23:53
th0br0Oh I'm sorry, I hadn't seen that you talked earlier :S Thought it was a question.23:53
nialamousepad support only scroll on side not two finger, but the touchscreen should have a least 2 finger. I will investigate...23:53
CosmoHillth0br0: Alison_Chaiken is joining the MeeGo team next month23:53
th0br0ah, nice :)23:54
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nialaI m not in the team but welcolme Alison_Chaiken  :)23:54
Alison_ChaikenYes, CosmoHill, altho at the moment most of my meego info comes from Engadget.23:54
CosmoHillha!23:54
th0br0that's amusing :D23:55
thiagoengadget doesn't have real info23:55
thiagoit has leaks on product schedules and HW23:55
Alison_ChaikenThank you, niala.   I just signed on yesterday, and am worried I'll wake up and be back in high school gym class instead.23:55
nialaengadget have gadgetinfo23:55
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CosmoHilldidn't they get an apple employee almost fired?23:56
thiagothat was gizmodo23:57
CosmoHillah okay23:57
thiagogizmodo bought the iPhone 4 that got forgotten in a bar23:57
slingrit wasnt almost23:57
slingrit was fired23:57
Alison_ChaikenCosmoHill, you're thinking of gizmodo, not engadget.   Dude got himself fired IMHO.    Don't pound beers and carry irreplaceable prototype!    I will take old HTC G1 ADP to Bimbo's 365 Club tonight .  .  .23:57
CosmoHillit\s not irreplacable, you just need to buy it back on ebay23:58
th0br0hehe :D23:58
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CosmoHillAlison_Chaiken: http://wiki.meego.com/Who%27s_who23:59

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