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| rittk | ? | 02:07 |
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| araujo | yes rittk , you might want to check http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/kernel-source | 02:12 |
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| michaelg|nok | RST38h: timezones are a problem. You can use XHR in QML, and I think there's a QML camera API in mobility 1.1 | 02:59 |
| michaelg|nok | RST38h: you might want to idle in #qt-qml :) | 03:00 |
| michaelg|nok | RST38h: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qdeclarativenetwork.html and http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qdeclarativeglobalobject.html#xmlhttprequest | 03:02 |
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| rittk | meego on 2.6.36 vanilla (w/o any patches) works just fine at lenovo ideapad thing | 06:36 |
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| sofar | including wireless? | 06:37 |
| rittk | wifi scannig still doesn't works | 06:40 |
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| rittk | manually configured works well | 06:40 |
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| rittk | btkiller and ts drivers works out-of-the-box as well | 06:44 |
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| rittk | I can share my .config is someone wants to try too | 06:46 |
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| sofar | btkiller? ts drivers? are those in meego? | 06:57 |
| sofar | oh touch screen | 06:58 |
| sofar | which wireless chipset is in the ideapad you have? what driver do you use under 2.6.36? | 06:58 |
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| rittk | atheros 9002 based | 07:09 |
| rittk | driver ath9k | 07:10 |
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| sofar | ok, that's not going to help all of us with ideapads with broadcom wireless | 07:12 |
| sofar | All the s10-3t's have broadcom wireless :/ | 07:14 |
| rittk | I have s10-rt too | 07:14 |
| rittk | *3t | 07:14 |
| sofar | with atheros wifi? | 07:15 |
| sofar | WTH | 07:15 |
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| rittk | yep | 07:16 |
| sofar | I'm going to egg lenovo's headquarters | 07:16 |
| sofar | all they keep sending us is s10-3t's with broadcom | 07:16 |
| sofar | perhaps they do that to piss me off | 07:16 |
| rittk | well, lspci says that at least | 07:16 |
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| sofar | what does lspci say? | 07:17 |
| rittk | moment... | 07:18 |
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| rittk | 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe (rev 01) | 07:29 |
| rittk | 07:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) | 07:29 |
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| sofar | you gotta be kidding me! I can't believe we have like 20 of those and all with fricken broadcom junk | 07:43 |
| rittk | no, thats not a joke | 07:47 |
| sofar | well that makes me cry, we literally have dozens of those without working wireless | 07:47 |
| psycho_oreos | at least its not broadcom wireless | 07:47 |
| rittk | I'll ask another guy who have such device to shom he his lspci output | 07:48 |
| rittk | *show | 07:48 |
| sofar | rittk: I think they just ship another wifi card in europe or something | 07:48 |
| psycho_oreos | rittk, not that I know much about meego, but I do know on linux generally ath9k should handle that device, if it doesn't it might be because the pci:id may not be inside the list of devices that was to make modprobe/etc load ath9k | 07:50 |
| rittk | sofar: might be. I got this one from US | 07:50 |
| sofar | now you're just rubbing salt in my wound | 07:51 |
| sofar | I bought all of mine in the US | 07:51 |
| sofar | ours | 07:51 |
| rittk | psycho_oreos: I have ath9k in my loaded modules list | 07:51 |
| psycho_oreos | rittk, you should also have wlanX interface, that should be ath9k | 07:52 |
| rittk | psycho_oreos: it works but meego's wifi configuration page doesn't shows me my wlan | 07:52 |
| psycho_oreos | lspci -k will also verify it as well | 07:52 |
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| rittk | it shows some other wlans instead) | 07:52 |
| psycho_oreos | rittk, I dunno I'd hack the script or something :D it might be expecting a specific interface naming | 07:52 |
| rittk | it can be a meego issue, btw | 07:56 |
| rittk | dunno how to scan manually | 07:56 |
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| psycho_oreos | iwlist wlanX {scan,scanning} | 07:56 |
| rittk | hm | 07:57 |
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| rittk | works | 08:01 |
| rittk | my essis is there | 08:01 |
| rittk | *essid | 08:01 |
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| psycho_oreos | I suppose you could probably manually connect to it but the meego UI may not be able to interface with it | 08:02 |
| rittk | I already have a simple script that configures my wlan manually | 08:03 |
| rittk | seems like thats a meego bug after all | 08:04 |
| psycho_oreos | now you can file one up :) | 08:04 |
| rittk | even more, probably thats a connman issue | 08:05 |
| rittk | since meego uses it, afaik | 08:05 |
| sofar | you're using a vanilla kernel | 08:06 |
| sofar | could be a bug in there.. | 08:07 |
| rittk | sofar: I have this issue for a while | 08:07 |
| sofar | crappy wifi driver no matter what | 08:08 |
| rittk | with meego 1.0, 1.0.90, 1.1.80 and now | 08:08 |
| rittk | but iwlist shows my cell | 08:08 |
| sofar | well, go ahead and re-open the bug there was | 08:11 |
| psycho_oreos | I personally don't think its a crappy wifi driver issue. rittk reports the device has atheros wireless and broadcom wired.. his issue is with wireless and it has nothing to do with broadcom in which this case its a wired chipset | 08:11 |
| sofar | against 1.1.80 | 08:11 |
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| rittk | where? | 08:11 |
| sofar | psycho_oreos: you're missing the first half of the conversation where I said that our group has 20 lenovo s10-3t's with broadcom wireless | 08:12 |
| psycho_oreos | sofar, in other words you're labelling atheros as crap? :) | 08:12 |
| sofar | pretty much most wireless drivers are crap | 08:13 |
| rittk | atheros works at very least) | 08:13 |
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| sofar | at least if there's an issue with an intel wireless driver I can walk 40ft and hit someone on the head with it :) | 08:14 |
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| sofar | but companies like lenovo put code in the BIOS that makes the system unbootable unless it has the most unsupported wireless chipset for linux in it | 08:15 |
| sofar | or none at all | 08:15 |
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| psycho_oreos | and yet you purchased lenovo for that :D | 08:16 |
| sofar | I even tried to contact their support lines and ask them about it, but they hang up on me | 08:17 |
| psycho_oreos | there's 4 companies that I know which does that, lenovo is one of the 4.. and for the very same reason I have those 4 companies on my blacklist | 08:17 |
| sofar | well we needed multitouch capable devices | 08:17 |
| sofar | and there was only 1 | 08:17 |
| sofar | now there's 2, but it's HP and they're not on the market yet | 08:18 |
| sofar | oh, and they have..... | 08:18 |
| sofar | broadcom wireless! | 08:18 |
| psycho_oreos | HP is the other one that also does wireless card whitelisting (through minipci/minipcie ports) | 08:18 |
| rittk | why do you need multitouch capable devices ? | 08:20 |
| rittk | mt doesn't works in meego anyways) | 08:20 |
| sofar | can't really test a multitouch UI without one, can you? | 08:20 |
| psycho_oreos | also in a foreseeable future, issues with broadcom wireless may be irrelevant as they have released their own open sourced version driver for their latest chipsets. | 08:20 |
| sofar | psycho_oreos: you're assuming that will be (1) stable, and (2) mergable | 08:21 |
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| sofar | I have large doubts about the stabilty given the testing we already did with it | 08:21 |
| psycho_oreos | sofar, yes I'm assuming, not that I'm defending/supporting broadcom in any way but it is a beginning that they've finally managed to get their head around the alternative platforms. | 08:22 |
| rittk | which WM meego uses for now? | 08:22 |
| sofar | don't get me wrong, it's a huge step from broadcom | 08:22 |
| sofar | it's just really bad it takes them this long | 08:22 |
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| sofar | rittk: MTF(qt) on handset, still clutter for netbook | 08:23 |
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| priyanka__ | hi i have set up OBS on my machine but am not able to schedule the buld the scheduler log shows the following error connect to linux-6nof.SH.COM:5352: Connection refused | 08:24 |
| priyanka__ | could not get project/package information, sleeping 1 minute | 08:24 |
| priyanka__ | retrying... | 08:24 |
| priyanka__ | , can somebody help? | 08:24 |
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| psycho_oreos | there's still a few others that haven't really moved in yet.. and there are still some newly adopted linux native platform support manufacturers that have yet to support all their other variants (points to the likes of marvell) | 08:24 |
| sofar | priyanka__: try the OBS irc channel? | 08:24 |
| rittk | probably I'd want to test this one http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php/Antico?content=93778 | 08:24 |
| priyanka__ | #sofar was trying building meego so asked on this channel | 08:24 |
| sofar | try #obs, it's an obs error... | 08:25 |
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| sofar | priyanka__: there's not that many people around at this time, and there are only very few people here that know OBS well enough to get it working (a handful, if that) | 08:30 |
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| ivrubano | Hi! can anybody suggest where can I find latest handset release? | 09:17 |
| thiago_home | http://repo.meego.com | 09:17 |
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| Linex | is meego going to kill symbian ? | 10:07 |
| ivrubano | Does sound work properly on handset version? | 10:08 |
| iekku | Linex, hope so :) | 10:08 |
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| Linex | why you hope so? | 10:09 |
| dm8tbr | taking into account recent news it very much looks like it | 10:09 |
| Linex | dm8tbr: like what news ? | 10:09 |
| Linex | link please | 10:09 |
| dm8tbr | nokia axing 1800 people, where lots of those will be symbian people | 10:10 |
| achipa | dm8tbr: that news actually means the polar opposite | 10:10 |
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| dm8tbr | aha, enlighten me | 10:11 |
| achipa | dm8tbr: recent news made Symbian stronger if anything | 10:11 |
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| achipa | Symbian^3 is not going away, there is no ^4 to insta-kill it | 10:11 |
| Myrtti | conspiracy theories and rumours, the best breakfast... | 10:12 |
| dm8tbr | so you think it's going to stay and will be a part of the happy Qt driven family? | 10:12 |
| iekku | there was news about symbian 4 in taloussanomat.fi | 10:12 |
| dm8tbr | Myrtti: innit? :) | 10:13 |
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| iekku | "nokia is going to stop separate symbian 4 development, focusing to QT" | 10:13 |
| achipa | that just means Symbian^3 became THE Symbian instead of being a transitional release | 10:14 |
| jarkkom | basically they're going to be providing continuous updates to symbian | 10:14 |
| Myrtti | don't you people have something constructive to do like actually developing MeeGo and the community behind it instead of stabbing other mobile OS's and wasting your time on rumourmongering? Just wondering... please, don't answer... I'll just return to my video editing | 10:14 |
| lbt | avidemux ? | 10:15 |
| jarkkom | which is something lots of people complanied about, buying nokia phone and then next month there's new model out and your old one never gets any of the updates | 10:15 |
| Myrtti | lbt: openshot | 10:15 |
| lbt | not tried that... | 10:15 |
| lbt | will tell Denise | 10:15 |
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| Myrtti | I rather like this, used it for editing achipa's presentation and making my youtube video about my failing Nexus One | 10:17 |
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| Myrtti | the Collaboration Summit ones were made with a Mac software because I didn't find one liked enough | 10:18 |
| lbt | avidemux has been around forever and is failry decent... but not good for things like re-arranging | 10:18 |
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| Myrtti | meeeh, Ville isn't around... | 10:36 |
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| ravliq | Hi, does anyone know how to set an icon to MAction instance? I want to show some icon on toolbar button, but don't how to do it | 11:16 |
| ColKilkenny | you do it in MAction constructor | 11:18 |
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| ColKilkenny | "MAction (const QString &iconID, const QString &text, QObject *parent)" | 11:19 |
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| ravliq | Yes, there is IconId string parameter in constructor, so I created qrc file and added picture for the icon there. And then passed the name of this picture like ":/path/name" as an iconId parameter to constructor. But when program starts it prints "pixmap reload failed (null handle)" message to app output | 11:21 |
| ravliq | and app shows red bar on toolbar button instead of picture | 11:22 |
| kedz | ravliq, hi, check this as an example: http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-controlpanelapplets/blobs/master/src/wallpaperapplet/wallpaperwidget.cpp#line151 | 11:22 |
| ravliq | thanks, I'll check | 11:22 |
| n1c0 | hi, did anyone have issues with mic-create-image recent? | 11:25 |
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| Linex | whats the simplest hello program for meego ? | 11:30 |
| thiago | #!/bin/sh | 11:31 |
| thiago | echo "Hello world" | 11:31 |
| hena | #!/bin/sh | 11:31 |
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| hena | : | 11:31 |
| hena | is simpler :) | 11:31 |
| thiago | that doesn't output "Hello world" :-) | 11:31 |
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| poutsi | I vote for Qt Creator's new qml program wizard | 11:35 |
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| poutsi | but hey: meego is using bugzilla to track features, right? anybody know any good reasons *not* to do the same in a possibly related project? | 11:37 |
| poutsi | what I mean is, what's the worst thing about doing that in bugzilla, I guess :) | 11:37 |
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| Linex | thiago: but that a console bash script thingy. I mean a GUI one. | 11:40 |
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| Linex | Actually, come to think of it. meego is just a distro of linux. | 11:41 |
| Linex | nothing more than that. | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | it's a fairly targetted one and architectured towards specific use cases, yeah | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | but it's a distro | 11:42 |
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| Linex | I never thought of it that way until thiago gave me that cheeky example. | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | it's real linux, on your mobile computer | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:44 |
| hena | anything with linux and any userland packaged together is a linux distro | 11:45 |
| thiago | so the simplest GUI "Hello world" is the one you already know how to make | 11:45 |
| thiago | hena: technically, yes | 11:45 |
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| thiago | hena: in practice, only the standard Linux userland receives that denomination | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | gnu/linux? | 11:45 |
| * Stskeeps ducks | 11:45 | |
| thiago | so it excludes Android | 11:45 |
| hena | which would be gnu? :) | 11:46 |
| Linex | thiago: a pure qt hellp world will run on meego ? | 11:46 |
| hena | but how can you not call linux with apps a linux distro if it doesn't have gnu userland? ;) | 11:46 |
| thiago | Linex: yes | 11:46 |
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| hena | i wish rms was here... he'd get a kick out of this :p | 11:47 |
| Linex | thiago: so its like 90% Qt programming when done on meego ? | 11:47 |
| thiago | Linex: yes | 11:47 |
| Linex | thiago: thats really cool. In that case, I know quite a bit already. So whats the main meego specific stuff ? | 11:48 |
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| Joppeffs | jjeej | 11:49 |
| thiago | the architecture, the UI style, etc. | 11:49 |
| Linex | thiago: its like certain classes and functions more geared towards netbook/mobile gadgets. | 11:51 |
| Linex | nice, thanks for the 101 | 11:51 |
| Linex | Anyone here on gentoo ? I managed to boot meego image from the qemu-kvm but it slow as hell. | 11:55 |
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| dazo | Linex: sounds like KVM is not enabled ... in those cases, it's more like an emulation than virtualisation | 11:56 |
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| dazo | (make sure the kvm module is really loaded) | 11:57 |
| dazo | (and check that it does not produce any errors to dmesg when loading it) | 11:57 |
| Linex | dazo: maybe, I will try again at home but I was quite sure I had modprobed kvm-intel | 11:57 |
| dazo | Linex: you need to modprobe kvm ... and kvm-intel is loaded automatically | 11:58 |
| Linex | dazo: yep. lsmod shows both loaded | 11:58 |
| Linex | dazo: what about the gl part ? | 11:58 |
| dazo | Linex: On my box I had to disable some BIOS features (TXT stuff), or else the kvm did not load properly | 11:58 |
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| Linex | dazo: does kvm means gl part is taken care of too ? | 11:59 |
| dazo | it was listed in lsmod, but dmesg showed some errors .... and all virt stuff was dead slow | 11:59 |
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| Termana | Linex, no | 11:59 |
| Linex | dazo: I run other guests ,eg a centos and fedora . They are fine and fast. | 12:00 |
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| dazo | Linex: gl part? you mean the graphical API stuff? ... that shouldn't really be that related ... but it needs the proper video driver inside the VM | 12:00 |
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| Linex | dazo: so the slowness is not due the gl part. | 12:00 |
| dazo | Linex: check the video adapter you've assigned to your VM, and make sure it's supported ... it might be that the VM video adapter don't work so well with GL requirements | 12:01 |
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| Linex | dazo: I think mine is the default. I think its cirrus or something | 12:02 |
| dazo | you'll have to check what the log files in the VM says then ... to make sure GL is really activated. | 12:03 |
| Linex | in the VM , ok. | 12:04 |
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| CosmoHill | morning | 12:06 |
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| th0br0 | no sym^4 huh | 12:48 |
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| CosmoHill | well the N8 has just been released and it's the first phone to have sym^3 | 12:48 |
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| CosmoHill | or did you mean that there will never be a sym^4? | 12:49 |
| th0br0 | yeah i meant that there will never be a sym^4 and that sym^3 will lose the 3 | 12:49 |
| ravliq | why most of tutorials can not built in meego dev environment? | 12:50 |
| RST38h | Nokia staff working on Symbian development in Cambridge were sent home yesterday, while the London crowd sloped off early after being told that 300 will lose their jobs | 12:51 |
| th0br0 | :(( | 12:51 |
| CosmoHill | oh man | 12:52 |
| th0br0 | well, with meego symbian's future was insecure on way or the other i guess... but still, job cuts never are a nice thing | 12:52 |
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| th0br0 | so elop does not see a meego on nokia devices before 2011 | 12:54 |
| RST38h | How many people is Meego Devices right now? | 12:54 |
| asj | th0br0: 2011 isn't very far away | 12:54 |
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| th0br0 | true. but which part of 2011 :) | 12:55 |
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| asj | th0br0: ;) | 12:55 |
| pexi | at summer they promised meego device 2011/Q1 | 12:55 |
| th0br0 | mh k | 12:55 |
| pexi | donno about current situation | 12:55 |
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| dneary | Hey hey! | 12:58 |
| dneary | mshaver about? | 12:58 |
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| X-Fade | dneary: It's a tad early for that. | 13:11 |
| dneary | X-Fade, He could be a morning person :) | 13:12 |
| dneary | X-Fade, Do you know if ferenc is around this week? | 13:12 |
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| X-Fade | dneary: At 3:12am, that is quite early ;) | 13:12 |
| dneary | I thought it was -8h from here - it's -9? | 13:13 |
| X-Fade | dneary: I think he is back later today. He's travelling. | 13:13 |
| dneary | cool | 13:13 |
| dneary | It'd be excellent to get that mod_rewrite thing for bugzilla tested | 13:14 |
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| koupsa | hi, | 13:29 |
| koupsa | th0br0: hi, today is not my HD is my netbook charger broken. incredible | 13:32 |
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| th0br0 | :S kedz | 13:33 |
| th0br0 | eeh :S niala. that sucks | 13:33 |
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| niala | th0br0: the funy think is that is always on friday when the delivery man aren't working on WE | 13:36 |
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| l2tp | morning | 14:14 |
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| niala | afternoon | 14:16 |
| l2tp | could anyone help with touchpad? | 14:16 |
| rittk | model? | 14:17 |
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| l2tp | lenovo s10-3t netbook | 14:20 |
| l2tp | works fine with clean install in Ubuntu | 14:21 |
| l2tp | works in Sabayon | 14:21 |
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| l2tp | but in MeeGo I can't use double tap at right lower corner as right-click | 14:21 |
| rittk | known issue | 14:22 |
| l2tp | It's a bug? | 14:22 |
| rittk | I'd want to know how to fix that too :) | 14:22 |
| l2tp | funny :) | 14:22 |
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| rittk | incomplete support, I guess | 14:22 |
| rittk | so, yes - its a bug | 14:22 |
| l2tp | In Sabayon I've done some modifiers in hal configs | 14:23 |
| rittk | there is no hal in meego | 14:23 |
| l2tp | I see | 14:23 |
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| rittk | andwhatchanges you did? | 14:23 |
| l2tp | heh | 14:24 |
| rittk | (stupid space button) | 14:24 |
| l2tp | I'll be back later - need to restart Xorg | 14:24 |
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| l2tp | ohhh, I didn't write any notice about my touchpad in Sabayon | 14:28 |
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| l2tp | rittk I've found this This release works with udev for input hotplugging and supports /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/*.conf as replacement for the hal .fdi files. After upgrading to this release, configuration for input devices in hal is ignored and should be done by udev rules or xorg.conf.d files. | 14:32 |
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| lauksas | hi | 14:46 |
| lauksas | all | 14:46 |
| lauksas | someone can tellme where I can see aviable aplication for meego on n900? | 14:47 |
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| lauksas | even if they are in development... | 14:47 |
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| ravliq | well, is there any way to add _custom_ icon to toolbar button in MeegoTouch app? | 15:27 |
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| kedz | ravliq, what do you mean when you say "custom" ? | 15:36 |
| kedz | ravliq, the example what you said should work, and if you want a different icon that the default ones then you should install you icon to "/usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/$YOURAPPNAME/images/ANIMAGE.PNG" and you can refer your ANIMAGE.PNG as "ANIMAGE" icon id | 15:39 |
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| kedz | ravliq, $YOURAPPNAME ^ in this example should be the binary name of your meegotouch application | 15:39 |
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| ColKilkenny | this might help: http://apidocs.meego.com/mtf/theme_structure.html | 15:39 |
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| ColKilkenny | and the rest of the docs as well | 15:39 |
| kedz | ravliq, alternatively you can install "/usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/$YOURAPPNAME/svg/ANIMAGE.SVG" if your image is scalable | 15:39 |
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| ravliq | kedz, thanks, that is probably what I need | 15:41 |
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| kedz | ColKilkenny, wow... that documentation seems to be outdated a bit... it refers to DUI in several places... which is renamed to LMT long time ago... :-S | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | DUI => MTF | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:42 |
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| hena | Driving Under Influence? | 15:45 |
| ravliq | is this mean that I can not use my images in my app if they are included to qrc file of the app? | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | Developing, not driving | 15:45 |
| hena | is that punishable nowadays also? :/ | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | judging by the symbian layoffs.. | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:46 |
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| kedz | ravliq, not in this way... it seems that MAction only can use image-ids from theme... | 15:49 |
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| dneary | ColKilkenny, Copy the content to the wiki, update it, and the wiki will become the definitive reference | 15:50 |
| ravliq | that's sad | 15:50 |
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| kedz | ravliq, but it seems the parent of this MAction which is QAction is also only supports QIcon as an icon... (but maybe there is a way to transform any pixmap to QIcon... haven't checked...) | 15:53 |
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| kedz | ravliq, aha! yes, because MAction is a QAction also, maybe you can try to transform your pixmap (from qrc) to QIcon, and you can call the MAction->setIcon () method ( http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qaction.html#icon-prop ) | 15:55 |
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| kedz | ravliq, hm.. try this : MAction->setIcon (QIcon(":/your/image.png")); | 15:57 |
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| ravliq | kedz, I'm trying now ) | 16:03 |
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| ravliq | kedz, seems like setIcon() method has no effect for MAction - nothing is shown for the button and no error messages | 16:06 |
| rittk | l2tp: show me your hal rules then? | 16:07 |
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| kedz | ravliq, ouch... :-S then the only way is installing your images to proper place... but in this way, theme creators are able to replace your icons :-) | 16:08 |
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| ravliq | kedz, ok... ( | 16:08 |
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| l2tp | rittk I haven't I can give you smth about xorg.conf.d and touchpad | 16:21 |
| rittk | l2tp: huh? | 16:23 |
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| l2tp | rittk, did you try to make smth with /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-input-synaptics.conf ? | 16:30 |
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| CosmoHill | hey slaine | 16:31 |
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| rittk | l2tp: smth == something ? | 16:32 |
| l2tp | rttk yes | 16:32 |
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| rittk | l2tp: nope then | 16:35 |
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| l2tp | rittk ok, did you see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Input_device_configuration ? | 16:35 |
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| rittk | never | 16:36 |
| l2tp | let's try :) | 16:36 |
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| ivrubano | what does mean this error /usr/lib/libqttracker.so: undefined reference to `QMetaType::registerTypedef(char const*, int)' ? | 16:39 |
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| rittk | did you remove QtCore ?:) | 16:40 |
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| ivrubano | rittk, is it answer on my question? | 16:42 |
| rittk | well its one of possible aswers | 16:43 |
| ivrubano | no, I did not | 16:44 |
| ivrubano | how to check it? | 16:45 |
| l2tp | zypper search qt | grep "^i" | 16:45 |
| jedix | nicolai: I am now | 16:46 |
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| ivrubano | thanks | 16:46 |
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| nicolai | jedix: I am sitting next to a gui who is struggling to set up OBS, and we have seen that you have created some wikis regarding this, so we hope that you are the right person to discuss this | 16:49 |
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| jedix | I can certainly help, but I have only set up obs 1.8 | 16:50 |
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| nicolai | have you set up this loacally (which we tried and failed with), or are you also responsibe for the community builder? | 16:52 |
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| jedix | nicolai: I've just set one up locally | 16:53 |
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| nicolai | jedix: when we start obsworker we end up with the error message "cannot access bs_worker" | 16:59 |
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| jedix | nicolai: did you follow the wiki? | 16:59 |
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| nicolai | I guess so (I was not doing this myself, but the guy next to me, mom I will pass on the keyboard) | 17:00 |
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| Stskeeps | nicolai: there's another guide at http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS that might be easier for some | 17:02 |
| nicolai | jedix: yes we followed the wiki on /OBS_setup....there is the obs-worker configuration: is this pointing to the local machine ? | 17:02 |
| nicolai | jedix: ok I'll have a look | 17:02 |
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| jedix | nicolai: every worker needs to be setup to point to your obs server. If you're going to use the server as a worker as well, then you need to point it to the local machine.. otherwise, it needs to point to the server | 17:04 |
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| jedix | If you're getting "cannot access bs_worker" you might want to check the permissions on /usr/lib/obs/server/bs_worker and /usr/lib/obs/server/worker/bs_worker | 17:05 |
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| nicolai | jedix: those direcories are not existing on my machine.. | 17:08 |
| jedix | Did you `zypper in obs-worker` ? | 17:09 |
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| jedix | actually: zypper in obs-worker qemu-svn mount-static bash-static | 17:09 |
| nicolai | jedix: yes.. | 17:09 |
| nicolai | jedix: propably I should re-try with the other guide first.. | 17:10 |
| jedix | sure | 17:10 |
| jedix | I'm wondering if you're using 1.8 | 17:10 |
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| nicolai | jedix: thanks for now...will study the wiki you mentioned and re-check my installation...thanks for your time | 17:13 |
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| Linex | how do I start a console in the raw image. I got it up running in qemu-kvm. | 17:20 |
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| qgil | dneary__: ping | 17:30 |
| dneary | qgil, pong | 17:32 |
| Linex | qgil: pong | 17:32 |
| Linex | I pong first. | 17:32 |
| qgil | there is some acho here :) | 17:32 |
| qgil | echo | 17:32 |
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| dneary | Linex, Who gave you a bat? :) | 17:32 |
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| Linex | let try again. | 17:32 |
| dneary | Linex, I ponged first in my client | 17:32 |
| qgil | dneary: thanks for the very interesting answers on http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_vs_Android | 17:32 |
| dneary | qgil, NP | 17:33 |
| qgil | can I assign you as coordinator of the task - meaning no more obligation that "get it started and making sure it moves forward"? | 17:33 |
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| dneary | One of the reasons I agreed is that I've also agreed to write an objective (if that's possible for me) review of the state of the MeeGo project up to this point, due the end of next week - so I will be doing quite a bit of the analysis anyway | 17:33 |
| qgil | dneary: this is one of the tasks that would be cool to complete during 1.2 | 17:33 |
| dneary | Yes - that's what I had understood I was agreeing to | 17:34 |
| dneary | Don't talk version numbers to me - I am not privvy to release calendars :) | 17:34 |
| qgil | dneary: wow, that is very interesting. Can you tell who is the commissioner? | 17:34 |
| dneary | qgil, Not commissioned, doing it on request, for VisionMobile | 17:34 |
| dneary | qgil, Do you think I should ask for money? :) | 17:35 |
| qgil | dneary: very cool | 17:35 |
| dneary | qgil, Don't say that before you read it... | 17:35 |
| qgil | dneary: the fact that Vision Mobile is interested and you are planning to do it is already cool :) | 17:35 |
| dneary | qgil, To be honest, I think we're quite a long way behind Android at this point - and the places where we can be different (by allowing participation on an equal footing by partner companies) I'm not sure we're doing very well up to this point | 17:36 |
| dneary | So... let's see | 17:36 |
| Linex | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_vs_Android very good read. | 17:36 |
| qgil | dneary: the key point nowadays is on the ODMs: are they happy about the Android platform and their relationship with Google? are they happy with the MeeGo platform and their relationship with the MeeGo project? | 17:37 |
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| dneary | qgil, For me, ODMs will go where the market pulls them | 17:38 |
| dneary | And the market likes android | 17:38 |
| dneary | Because it's an alternative to Apple | 17:38 |
| dneary | Android Market might be killing itself right now by letting ODMs and operators customise a little too much | 17:39 |
| qgil | dneary: well, the "market" is made among other things of ODMs. Operators too, very important at this point: are they happy about Google winning in som many fronts? | 17:39 |
| dneary | So you have operator-or ODM-specific marketplaces, apps which work with one version by not another, and famously one ISV that said that they had to test & maintain slight deltas for 100 different variants of Maemo across different devices | 17:40 |
| qgil | dneary: it would be great if Vision Mobile or somneone would pay you go and ask what actually "the market" thinks about Android, and whether they like it or not | 17:40 |
| dneary | qgil, You don't agree with the changes in the value chain which iPhone-like models have allowed? | 17:40 |
| dneary | The revenue stream models have changed - and operators have become bandwidth providers. | 17:41 |
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| qgil | dneary: sure, I'm only saying that nowadays "volumes" are more defined by ODM and operator strategies, even if all the fuzz is around app developers and end users excited about UXs | 17:41 |
| dneary | qgil, Coincidentally, VisionMobile had a report about android earlier this year | 17:41 |
| Linex | What about the spanish people, are they happy that you all took the 'a' out of 'ameego' ? I think Android will get a lot of spanish votes. | 17:41 |
| dneary | qgil, Here's the one I was thinking of: http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2010/07/mobile-developer-economics-2010-the-migration-of-developer-mindshare/ | 17:42 |
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| dneary | Also: http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2010/04/is-android-evil/ | 17:44 |
| qgil | dneary: if I recall correctly that report, it's a picture about the present and about the "developer mindset" - and I agree with the conclusions. I'm only saying that ODMs and operators think ahead of today, and their opinions don't necessarely map those of app developers | 17:45 |
| Aard | duesseldorf, hoffentlich | 17:45 |
| Aard | d'oh | 17:45 |
| steinex | höre ich da düsseldorf? ;) | 17:45 |
| dneary | qgil, Ronan made a point to me earlier that "developers don't always go where the biggest market share is - Symbian's shown that" | 17:45 |
| RST38h | qgil: Won't you say though that it is developers opinions that trail the current market situation? | 17:46 |
| dneary | I think that developers will lead operators in deciding on their platforms going forward, not the other way around. | 17:46 |
| dneary | If there's one mammoth change Android's brought to the game, it's that | 17:46 |
| RST38h | i.e. the market (defined by ODMs and operators) is the proverbial egg to developers' chicken? | 17:46 |
| dneary | The model of ISVs building mobile apps on order from operators is dead | 17:46 |
| Aard | steinex: yep. i'll arive in dus in about 3 hrs | 17:47 |
| steinex | Aard: i'm in dus actually. ;) | 17:47 |
| qgil | dneary: if ODMs and operators believe that by selling their sould to Android they are selling a significant % of their business and revenue to Google, then Android will struggle no matter what developers think about it | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: the spread of virtual operators has also thinned the market a bit, i think | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | ie, more operators on the market | 17:48 |
| dneary | RST38h, I see it as developers (bleeding edge momentum users) create sexiness around platform, creating a market for phones running the platform (seeded by spending heavily with one ODM, HTC), creating market demand for the platform, devices running it, and apps which it provides | 17:48 |
| dneary | And let's not forget that even on the G1, Android was gorgeous - a really nice user experience | 17:49 |
| Aard | steinex: i'd say 'lets go for a beer' - if may one-week-vacation would not been that packed with stuff already... | 17:49 |
| RST38h | dneary: Sure it is developers and not the platform owner (i.e. Apple or Google)? | 17:49 |
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| steinex | Aard: well, i'm working :/ | 17:49 |
| RST38h | dneary: Consider how iPhone was considered "cool" even before Jobs allowed applications on it | 17:49 |
| steinex | Aard: or better... i should be working ;) | 17:50 |
| dneary | Google did the smart thing by (1) building a nice platform, (2) giving a shitload of G1s away to the cool application developer kids | 17:50 |
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| dneary | RST38h, The iPhone is an exception in so many ways - but it did set the standard for those following it | 17:50 |
| qgil | dneary: another interesting aspect is that MeeGo can host Dalvik and integrate Google services | 17:50 |
| Aard | steinex: i'll hopefully not do that during the next week ;) | 17:51 |
| dneary | qgil, Cool. I'd like to see that | 17:51 |
| qgil | dneary: that WeTab is already promising that runs Android apps - haven't checked myself | 17:51 |
| RST38h | qgil: Will Nokia+Intel approve of that though? | 17:51 |
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| qgil | RST38h: you don't need Nokia/Intel to approve, anyone can maijntain a Dalvik port and any vendors can ship it | 17:52 |
| dneary | qgil, I'll send you an advance copy for feedback & comment, if you'd like | 17:52 |
| qgil | dneary: thank you! | 17:52 |
| dneary | I'll even read you your Miranda rights. | 17:53 |
| RST38h | qgil: Would actually be pretty cool =) | 17:53 |
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| dneary | "You have the right to remain silent. If you choose not to exercise this right, anything you say can and will be used against you in the article." | 17:53 |
| qgil | dneary: works for mmmpppfffff | 17:53 |
| dneary | Joking :) | 17:53 |
| qgil | mmppffmmmff | 17:54 |
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| dneary | I gotta say, though - the insistence on including ConnMan for compliant distributions is confusing me. | 17:54 |
| dneary | And Greg's referrals to "other distributions already shipping MeeGo without ConnMan" also confuses me | 17:55 |
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| qgil | oh no Connman again - does Google allow to change the connectivity module to Android device manufacturers? :) | 17:56 |
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| dneary | qgil, I thought you were interested in ways MeeGo was different to Android? ;) | 17:56 |
| qgil | dneary: I believe this is not a difference: in both platforms you need to ship certain code in order to be compliant | 17:57 |
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| Stskeeps | dneary: opensuse's trademark guidelines exactly say exactly the same, must base upon opensuse releases.. | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | that we don't have 'seperate name' for netbook ux is another interesting thing | 18:01 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, The very limited definition of compliance in the UX level is *very* interesting | 18:01 |
| dneary | (I mean, core applications are not specified | 18:01 |
| dneary | GNOME says "this is the GNOME email client, this is the GNOME text editor, etc." - in some sense, MeeGo is defining even less than that. Seems more based on LSB than on a full stack | 18:02 |
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| Stskeeps | netbook's special cos it's really the ugly sheep of the other ux'es, uses gtk, mutter, clutter.. | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | and apps are meant to build on core apis instead (qt) | 18:03 |
| qgil | dneary: MeeGo is obsessed about the official API and the pieces that provide that API | 18:03 |
| qgil | dneary: not about a common look & feel or set of apps | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | which reminds me i promised to respond to mats' responses to my review comments.. | 18:04 |
| * Stskeeps gets on the emailing bandwagon | 18:04 | |
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| dneary | Stskeeps, Hey! What what you're saying about Clutter & GTK+ | 18:05 |
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| qgil | dneary: from a MeeGo perspective they are legacy | 18:06 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, Just because Nokia's pushing Qt as the standard UI toolkit for developers on MeeGo doesn't mean that they're ugly | 18:06 |
| berndhs | what does the "supported architecture" part of the compliance spec mean? You can't call it meego if you make it run on ARM9, Cell or AMD ? | 18:06 |
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| qgil | dneary: the MeeGo project is "pushing Qt as the standard UI toolkit for developers on MeeGo" | 18:07 |
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| Stskeeps | dneary: it wasn't about the look cos netbook ux looks nice :) | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: just that if looking at the other ux's, it stands out | 18:08 |
| qgil | berndhs: I guess those architectures need to be maintained first in the MeeGo context, being part of the release cycle etc? | 18:08 |
| berndhs | well, it doesn't really say a compliant meego has to support both | 18:09 |
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| berndhs | and I don't see why it should say that you cannot support something else | 18:09 |
| berndhs | or why the spec should say an architecture has to be approved by TSG | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | berndhs: i can try to explain as i understand it if you'll hear me out.. | 18:10 |
| berndhs | ok | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | as i've been quite involved with the arm port | 18:11 |
| berndhs | yes I'm thankful for your involvment there | 18:11 |
| qgil | berndhs: as I see it, it's not about the TSG approving architectures but about an architecture going through the development and Q&A process just like anybody else | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | berndhs: so, let's start with an example - let's say i do a GruntMaster CPU port of Fedora where i use my own toolchain patches, i don't follow Fedora's processes (QA, etc) .. is it Fedora? | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | berndhs: the way new architecures would be included would be contributing a base, integrating into meego releases processes, contributing QA resources, fixing bugs specific to GruntMaster CPU when they come up | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | when it's been done through meego processes and published from meego.com naturally it would be approved | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | that's the trademark part of the compliant architectures | 18:15 |
| berndhs | right, so it is that following the same processes in a verifiable, involved way shows compatibility from a QA point of view | 18:15 |
| berndhs | not only a set of test results | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | it is basically 'coming from the meego project and being verified in same way other architectures are' | 18:16 |
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| berndhs | yes i can see that | 18:16 |
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| berndhs | the wording in the doc sounds somewhat exclusionary, but on the other side I don't see other CPU manufacturers linind up and being denied | 18:17 |
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| berndhs | maybe the short section comes from all the complaints "it doesn't run on my ToasterCPU0.9" | 18:18 |
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| qgil | thiago: reading http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2010/10/20/ubuntu-and-qt/ it says "Meanwhile, Canonical has been working with the community to develop a low-level multi-touch framework for Linux and X11, for the benefit of Qt and other toolkits. These efforts will eventually meet in the middle." | 18:27 |
| qgil | thiago: is it so? | 18:27 |
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| thiago | yes, we're talking to them | 18:32 |
| thiago | they are part of my intended task-force to get touch working | 18:32 |
| thiago | X.org work and gtk | 18:32 |
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| pcacjr | is there any kind of usbnet UI available on meego ? | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | on n900 or on netbook? | 18:35 |
| pcacjr | n900 | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | it's constantly configured as usbnet | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | 192.168.2.15 , root/meego | 18:35 |
| pcacjr | hmm | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | cdc_eem kernel module on host ide | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | side | 18:36 |
| pcacjr | ok, is it modprobe'd by default ? | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | by your host? dunno | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | lsmod | 18:37 |
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| dneary | DawnFoster, Ping? | 18:38 |
| pcacjr | Stskeeps: ok, i got it | 18:38 |
| DawnFoster | hey dneary | 18:38 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, I have a way to do post-only with stock mailman - no patching required! You can create mailing lists, can't you? | 18:38 |
| pcacjr | Stskeeps: does meego have any app that configures an usbnet interface ? | 18:39 |
| DawnFoster | dneary: I need to respond to that thread | 18:39 |
| pcacjr | Stskeeps: as maemo does have one called "usbnet-ui", afaik | 18:39 |
| dneary | OK - let me just send the info I got then | 18:39 |
| DawnFoster | I really don't want anyone to be able to post to the lists unless they have subscribed | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | pcacjr: no, it starts up usbnet constantly, we don't switch usb gadget modes | 18:39 |
| DawnFoster | by subscribing, the user is taking an explicit action indicating that they know what they have signed up fo | 18:40 |
| DawnFoster | r | 18:40 |
| * pcacjr nods | 18:40 | |
| pcacjr | got it, thanks | 18:40 |
| dneary | Basically, if you create a mailing list called "post-only", which no-one can post to but anyone can join, and then add "@post-only" to the "accept_these_non_members" config option for each list where you want to allow post-only posts, you're good to go | 18:41 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, The problem is silently dropping mails from non-members | 18:41 |
| dneary | They should at least go into moderation | 18:41 |
| DawnFoster | nothing silent about it | 18:41 |
| dneary | Sometimes, you want to inform a team of something, but don't want to commit to getting X emails a day | 18:41 |
| DawnFoster | they get an explicit message saying they need to subscribe and resend | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | reply-all culture is a bit of a sideeffect of the reply-to stuff.. | 18:41 |
| DawnFoster | you can subscribe and set it to no email | 18:42 |
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| dneary | The solution is to subscribe, send your email, and unsubscribe | 18:42 |
| dneary | Or subscribe and set nomail, as you say | 18:42 |
| dneary | But you're pushing quite a burden on the outsider in that situation | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: i wonder if we can do the 'subscribe-and-set-to-nomail' in a shortcut url in the mail | 18:42 |
| dneary | Better to say "your email is in moderation. If you want to ensure it arrives quicker, consider signing up" | 18:43 |
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| Stskeeps | isn't it a problem in the first place that people are crossposting? :P | 18:43 |
| DawnFoster | dneary: I prefer not to moderate these | 18:43 |
| dneary | Not at all | 18:43 |
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| DawnFoster | sometimes people *meant* to send something to the list | 18:44 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, Especially when the number of mailing lists is growing | 18:44 |
| DawnFoster | sometimes people don't realize they've sent something to a list with thousands of people | 18:44 |
| DawnFoster | they should choose whether they meant to post it to our list or not | 18:44 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, Look at the multitouch discussion on meego-dev - I'm interested, it's partly an architecture decision, partly a multitouch topic, and of interest to meego-dev in general | 18:44 |
| DawnFoster | we've already had one serious case of someone sending a big chunk of proprietary stuff because they didn't realize it was a public list | 18:45 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, Pointer to archives? | 18:45 |
| DawnFoster | in that case, they chose not to resend to the list | 18:45 |
| dneary | I missed that :) | 18:45 |
| dneary | post-only is different, you're signing up to be able to post to all lists | 18:45 |
| dneary | It's an explicit action | 18:46 |
| DawnFoster | it didn't go through because they weren't subscribed | 18:46 |
| DawnFoster | but we also don't want drive by posts from trolls | 18:46 |
| dneary | Alternatively, have a moderation queue, and recruit half a dozen moderators | 18:46 |
| DawnFoster | and your solution encourages it | 18:46 |
| DawnFoster | dneary: as I said before, I want the person sending the message to decide whether they really want to send it to the list | 18:47 |
| DawnFoster | not a moderator | 18:47 |
| dneary | I wouldn't propose it if it hadn't been used successfully in a number of projects previously - GNOME, EFF, ... | 18:47 |
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| dneary | DawnFoster, I would argue that they decided when they set the list address in the To or CC field | 18:47 |
| dneary | We can't protect people from themselves too much | 18:47 |
| qgil | thanks thiago - when they presented their touch effort that kept me wondering where that was supposed to fit in the Xorg / freedesktop.org efforts and now it seems clearer | 18:48 |
| DawnFoster | no, but we can put the decision on that user | 18:48 |
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| DawnFoster | by signing up, they are taking the responsibility for understanding what they signed up for | 18:48 |
| DawnFoster | otherwise, the moderator is taking the responsibilty for deciding what the user meant to do. | 18:49 |
| DawnFoster | I'm putting the decision in the users hands | 18:49 |
| DawnFoster | and it's clearly documented in our mailing list guidelines | 18:49 |
| DawnFoster | and in the email they get if they send something to a list where they aren't subscribed | 18:49 |
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| sjokkis | dneary: what's the problem with forcing users to sign up? seems like a simple and reasonable solution | 18:52 |
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| dneary | sjokkis, To quite felipe Contreras: "This happened because I replied to a mail that had meego-qa@lists.meego.com in CC. This I think is a good thing, cross-posting helps to get relevant messages to relevant people. However, in order for cross-posting to be useful people should be able to send mails to lists they are not subscribed to, otherwise the threads will be messed up." | 18:54 |
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| dneary | sjokkis, In the scenario where you are replying to a cross-posted email, or when you want to send a single RFI email to a team, it's better for the mails to go into moderation & be liberated later, even if the person isn't signed up | 18:55 |
| sjokkis | reasonable point, but so are DawnFoster's | 18:56 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: btw, me and sivang are kicking about an idea about having 'meego hacker's guide' in spirit of 'hacker guides' you get on your first year on computer science, giving you the basic training on doing MeeGo platform development - do we have any other stuff that's covering that area? there's coming more and more people in contributing, so | 18:57 |
| thiago | allowing non-subscribers to post requires a good spam checker | 18:57 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: I think it's a great idea | 18:59 |
| DawnFoster | did you see the intro to using git to create kernel patches that was created last night? | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:59 |
| DawnFoster | similar idea | 18:59 |
| sjokkis | git <3 | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | and since community obs is just needing the user database linkup, that'll allow a lot of people to contribute easier.. | 19:00 |
| sjokkis | DawnFoster: has anything happened to that hardware queue idea? | 19:00 |
| DawnFoster | sjokkis: still working on it | 19:00 |
| DawnFoster | http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program | 19:01 |
| sjokkis | DawnFoster: can you tell me anything? | 19:01 |
| sjokkis | reading | 19:01 |
| DawnFoster | I've asked for budget :) | 19:01 |
| DawnFoster | still waiting for approval | 19:01 |
| DawnFoster | honestly, I just can't focus on it until after the conference | 19:01 |
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| Stskeeps | ah crap, there's a conference coming up | 19:02 |
| * Stskeeps needs to get together with harri and sage to prepare the n900 presentation.. | 19:02 | |
| Stskeeps | 1.1 release stress sucks | 19:02 |
| sjokkis | DawnFoster: oh, i wasn't expecting this to be up and running before the conference. i'm thinking about doing a lightning session, in which case i'll find someone who can borrow me an n900 for a day or two | 19:03 |
| mihero | presentations can be done on plain?:) | 19:03 |
| mihero | plane | 19:03 |
| DawnFoster | sjokkis: I don't even have time to *think* about it until december :) | 19:03 |
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| song123 | hi, how can I play flv in meego netbook release? normally, I use mplayer in normal linux distribution. thanks. | 19:20 |
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| andre__ | I guess you need the codec for it | 19:22 |
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| song123 | andre__: ok... so just download mplayer codec. will it work? | 19:24 |
| auke | song123: open it in chrome/chromium | 19:24 |
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| andre__ | Id on't think there is something like an "mplayer codec" :) | 19:24 |
| song123 | auke: that won't work. | 19:24 |
| andre__ | my guess is gstreamer | 19:24 |
| song123 | auke: open flv in chrome won't work. | 19:24 |
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| auke | strange, flv == flash video, and chrome supports flash | 19:25 |
| auke | you'd think that would work | 19:25 |
| song123 | auke: no. I tried that many times. flv requires some flash code to play. not sure how to explain it. for example, youtube will have youtube flash player embedded inside their pages. | 19:26 |
| auke | yeah | 19:26 |
| auke | well the other solution is to install the proper gstreamer codecs | 19:26 |
| sjokkis | i've noticed that when i installed meego 1.0, there were practically no available codecs at all | 19:27 |
| sjokkis | i can't play any of my movies in meego | 19:27 |
| sjokkis | has this been fixed? | 19:27 |
| auke | no | 19:27 |
| auke | it can't be | 19:27 |
| song123 | auke: ok. so how to?..... | 19:27 |
| sjokkis | because? | 19:27 |
| auke | MeeGo cannot distribute MPEG codecs for free | 19:27 |
| auke | due to the MPEG license | 19:27 |
| sjokkis | why isn't this a problem for other linux distributions? | 19:27 |
| auke | it is | 19:27 |
| andre__ | it is! | 19:27 |
| sjokkis | how do they solve it? | 19:28 |
| song123 | at least, they should be in some repo. just like what other distribution does. | 19:28 |
| auke | they don't or ignore the problem, with the potential legal issues of that | 19:28 |
| song123 | I use opensuse. all codec can be found in packman. | 19:28 |
| sjokkis | i don't see how we can expect to be a serious contender on netbooks if we can't play back video... | 19:28 |
| song123 | in packman repo. | 19:28 |
| sjokkis | i use ubuntu. everything works out the box | 19:28 |
| sjokkis | well, some codecs have to be downloaded, but it does that very easily | 19:29 |
| sjokkis | vlc works out the box | 19:29 |
| andre__ | probably because the codecs were downloaded from a repo that is not maintained by ubuntu | 19:29 |
| sjokkis | even on smartphones, video is more and more important, with new models having HD screens | 19:29 |
| song123 | sjokkis: i never use ubuntu. do you need to apt-get vlc? | 19:30 |
| auke | some people put codecs up for download even though they don't pay the mpeg license distribution fees | 19:30 |
| sjokkis | song123: you do | 19:30 |
| song123 | sjokkis: which repo do you get vlc from? vlc repo? official ubuntu repo? | 19:30 |
| sjokkis | official repo | 19:30 |
| auke | and we do support video playback, it's just only using non-patent encumbered video formats | 19:31 |
| auke | ogg/theora works out of the box | 19:31 |
| auke | you *could* convert all your media to that | 19:31 |
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| song123 | ..... even firefox/chrome can play ogg without any plugins. | 19:32 |
| auke | yes | 19:32 |
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| auke | there's a tool called ffmpeg2theora (that uses ffmpeg internally) that works great at converting pretty much any format to ogg/theora | 19:33 |
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| song123 | auke: yeah, but can we install that app in meego? I only have meego netbook here. | 19:34 |
| song123 | auke: can we compile mplayer in meego? maybe? | 19:35 |
| auke | yeah, that's not too hard | 19:35 |
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| auke | you'll need to install some dependencies yourself but otherwise you can compile anything with MeeGo | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | auke: what would you consider essential tools for meego development? got spectacle, mic2, osc, git/wget/svn/make/diff/patch/rsync/ssh/dd so far | 19:36 |
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| auke | strace gdb git osc spectacle autospectacle gcc make | 19:37 |
| auke | ~codecs | 19:37 |
| infobot | [~codecs] If you have audio/codec problems, first try to 'disallow=all' and 'allow=ulaw' and see if that works. Anyone that tells you to use 'allow=all' is an idiot, as it usually causes audio problems. Codec list (Number/Name): 1/g723, 2/gsm, 4/ulaw, 8/alaw, 16/g726, 32/adpcm, 64/slin, 128/lpc10, 256/g729, 512/speex, 1024/ilibc. | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | autospectacle? | 19:37 |
| auke | yes | 19:37 |
| auke | feed it a url and it tries to autopackage it | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | do we have instructions for that anywhere? i've heard it mentioned bfore | 19:37 |
| auke | it's on gitorious | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | k | 19:37 |
| auke | arjan wrote it | 19:37 |
| auke | it was posted to -dev I think | 19:37 |
| auke | gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/autospectacle | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 19:38 |
| auke | infobot: forget codecs | 19:38 |
| infobot | auke: i forgot codecs | 19:38 |
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| auke | infobot: codecs is MeeGo only ships with codecs that can be distributed royalty free. You should get your codecs from the device seller or you can get them yourself, either from fluendo.com (free mp3 codec) or another source. | 19:39 |
| infobot | auke: okay | 19:39 |
| auke | ~codecs | 19:39 |
| infobot | i guess codecs is MeeGo only ships with codecs that can be distributed royalty free. You should get your codecs from the device seller or you can get them yourself, either from fluendo.com (free mp3 codec) or another source. | 19:39 |
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| qgil | I talked to my mom about our discussion yesterday about the meaning of QML and she is so sure it comes from QuiMgiL :P | 19:41 |
| auke | infobot: autospectacle is a tool to automatically create a spectacle file from a source URL only, and the preferred method for packaging for MeeGo for simple packages. | 19:42 |
| infobot | auke: okay | 19:42 |
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| auke | qgil: right :) | 19:42 |
| qgil | auke: hey, it's Friday here | 19:43 |
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| l2tp | rittk, it works! I've posted synaptics config to the forum | 19:49 |
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| rittk | l2tp: where? | 19:50 |
| l2tp | rittk, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=11487 | 19:51 |
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| auke | qgil: yes (and fridays are awesome) | 19:55 |
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| rittk | l2tp: same there: "Synaptics Tap Action" "0 3 0 1 1 3 2" | 19:56 |
| l2tp | rittk, may be | 19:57 |
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| rokr1 | hello all | 20:02 |
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| xDaReaperx | Hi | 20:08 |
| xDaReaperx | lol :D | 20:08 |
| rokr1 | hello i am here too | 20:08 |
| xDaReaperx | yeah i noticed | 20:08 |
| iekku | what happens? | 20:09 |
| rokr1 | next ?? | 20:10 |
| iekku | umh | 20:11 |
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| RST38h | So,is Orbit canned? Single Qt-based API for both Meego and Symbian from now on? | 20:26 |
| adeus | kinda | 20:27 |
| RST38h | What about Meegotouch? | 20:27 |
| adeus | thats the big question | 20:27 |
| RST38h | (i.e. DUI-based stuff) | 20:27 |
| adeus | orbit is afaik canned | 20:27 |
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| dneary | RST38h, Will eventually be superseded or integrated | 20:27 |
| RST38h | Aha | 20:27 |
| RST38h | Superseded by what? QML? | 20:28 |
| iekku | i ques it's taking some time to see where things goes | 20:28 |
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| RST38h | Hmm... I am currently using plain Qt for the Meego-ready app of mine | 20:29 |
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| adeus | thats fine, and it should work far into the future | 20:30 |
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| RST38h | Was going to use MeegoTouch for better look&feel, but just found a thread on tmo that implies it will not be used | 20:30 |
| song123 | how to check cpu temperature in meego netbook? | 20:30 |
| CosmoHill | you might be able to use lm-sensor from the command line | 20:32 |
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| tomma | depends on your machine i think: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/TZ00/temperature | 20:33 |
| song123 | CosmoHill: I don't think meego has lm-sensor. do you have that command in your meego netbook? | 20:34 |
| CosmoHill | I don't have a MeeGo computer to try it one | 20:35 |
| CosmoHill | on* | 20:35 |
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| song123 | tomma: thanks a lot. it works. but i have TZ0, TZ1, TZ2, TZ3, TZ4. what are the differences between those dirs? | 20:36 |
| song123 | CosmoHill: ok. sorry. | 20:36 |
| tomma | sensor | 20:36 |
| song123 | tomma: sensor? so which one should I look for? | 20:36 |
| CosmoHill | try out each one | 20:36 |
| CosmoHill | the highest will probably be either your processor or graphics chip | 20:37 |
| song123 | CosmoHill: ok. how can I be sure which one is which one? | 20:37 |
| song123 | I was compiling mplayer for half an hour, and finnally met a compilation error..... | 20:37 |
| CosmoHill | from my point of view it would be guesswork, tomma might know more | 20:38 |
| tomma | no idea =) | 20:38 |
| CosmoHill | that compilation error probably isn't related to the cpu temperature | 20:38 |
| song123 | CosmoHill: no. compilation error is just another story... | 20:39 |
| song123 | cabac.h:527: error: can't find a register in class 'GENERAL_REGS' while reloading 'asm' | 20:39 |
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| auke | PONIES!!! | 20:46 |
| * CosmoHill pets little auke | 20:47 | |
| CosmoHill | some day you'll have your own pony | 20:47 |
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| qgil | auke: I don't like ponies but still the poster has a point | 20:49 |
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| auke | qgil: he does (I'm not disputing that) | 20:50 |
| auke | sorry, I couldn't control myself | 20:50 |
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| qgil | ogeem-handset-ux metapackage? fedora-ogeem-handset-ux spin? | 20:52 |
| auke | hehehe | 20:52 |
| qgil | don't you think I was joking, auke :) | 20:52 |
| auke | actually, writing a word backwards is dubious from a trademark perspective | 20:53 |
| auke | "ponies" would be much better | 20:53 |
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| qgil | amigo-handset-ux :) | 20:54 |
| song123 | I failed to compile mplayer... can not find a solution. is there a community repo which contains mplayer for meego? | 20:55 |
| qgil | it's complicated - I'll leave that one (again) to the trademark owners | 20:55 |
| RST38h | song: pastebin your error | 20:57 |
| song123 | is this ftp://volkoff.ru/repo/meego/i386/ official community repo? I found this from the link: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1451 | 20:57 |
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| song123 | !pastebin | 20:58 |
| song123 | ~pastebin | 20:58 |
| infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. | 20:58 |
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| auke | song123: there is no official community repo yet | 20:59 |
| song123 | RST38h: http://pastebin.com/1B9xnbcM | 20:59 |
| auke | song123: that one is just maintained by a random person... nothing more | 20:59 |
| song123 | auke: ok. thanks. if I can not solve mplayer compilation error. I guess I have to use that person's repo then...\ | 21:00 |
| song123 | RST38h: I searched that error online. It seems many people met that error, but each one has different case... | 21:00 |
| auke | compiling isn't always easy, especially with complex packages like media players | 21:01 |
| song123 | auke: yeah.... | 21:02 |
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| song123 | RST38h: any ideas? | 21:05 |
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| RST38h | song:thinking | 21:09 |
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| song123 | RST38h: ok. thanks for your time. :) | 21:10 |
| auke | song123: that pastebin error sounds like an over-optimization in CFLAGS, or something similar | 21:11 |
| auke | song123: try compiling with -march=i686 | 21:11 |
| auke | it sounds familiar, I've seen it before.... | 21:11 |
| RST38h | song: Have you run ./configure before compiling? | 21:12 |
| song123 | auke: sorry, I am not familiar with this. how to compile with -march=i686? | 21:12 |
| song123 | RST38h: sure. I did. and configure is completed fine. | 21:12 |
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| RST38h | Try #undefining BRANCHLESS_CABAC_DECODER | 21:13 |
| song123 | RST38h: sorry to ask. which file and how to undefine? | 21:15 |
| RST38h | song: You should be able to find this macro in the makefiles and remove it | 21:16 |
| RST38h | actually it is defined to 1 at the top of cabac.h | 21:17 |
| auke | RST38h: that error occurs when you compile something like that without -march=i386 or higher - the assembler doesn't know how to optimize it and borks | 21:17 |
| RST38h | auke: ah! | 21:17 |
| auke | all I think he needs to do is export CFLAGS="-march=native" or something like that | 21:17 |
| RST38h | 686 not 386, right? | 21:17 |
| auke | or i686 to be safe | 21:17 |
| auke | yeah | 21:18 |
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| song123 | ok.. so what should I do now? try undefine or try to export variable? | 21:18 |
| RST38h | do what auke says | 21:19 |
| song123 | actually, I just installed mplayer successfully from that person's community repo... it works fine. | 21:19 |
| song123 | I did export CFLAGS="-march=native", and then run make, it still has the same error. | 21:20 |
| RST38h | you are doing it wrong probably | 21:20 |
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| javispedro | I would rerun configure like this ' ./configure CFLAGS="-march=native" ' | 21:21 |
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| song123 | javispedro: let me try that. | 21:22 |
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| javispedro | either way, looks like something's deeper is wrong. | 21:22 |
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| song123 | javispedro: I tried that. the syntax is wrong... Unknown parameter: CFLAGS=-march=native | 21:23 |
| song123 | sorry if I did it incorrectly. I am not familiar with compiling. | 21:23 |
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| RST38h | joys of autoconf... | 21:23 |
| javispedro | song123: then try just exporting it before running configure | 21:23 |
| javispedro | (joys of the shell...) | 21:24 |
| song123 | javispedro: I already did export. | 21:24 |
| javispedro | remake | 21:24 |
| javispedro | (after having rerun configure succesfully) | 21:24 |
| song123 | javispedro: should I rerun ./configure without any options? | 21:24 |
| javispedro | yep | 21:24 |
| javispedro | well, with whatever options you want, like prefix, codecs, etc. | 21:25 |
| PaulW_cdot | how would i obtain meego arm versions of glibc for f12 and f15? | 21:25 |
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| song123 | after I rerun configure, will I need to make from the beginning? or resume to the error step? make mplayer really takes a long time. | 21:26 |
| song123 | oh. I found the answer. the make resumes. it has the same error. | 21:27 |
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| song123 | anyway, I think I will just give up here. I have successfully installed mplayer from the repo: ftp://volkoff.ru/repo/meego/i386/ | 21:28 |
| song123 | Thank you all for the help. ^_^ | 21:28 |
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| song123 | it's time to leave. thank you guys again. bye. ^_^ | 21:32 |
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| mHmT | hi | 21:57 |
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| CosmoHill | hey | 21:58 |
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| mHmT | any news about meego on N900? | 21:58 |
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| mHmT | vobshe eto afigetelno uje jidat noviy versiya! | 21:59 |
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| CosmoHill | I only understand english | 22:00 |
| mHmT | its really sucks to wait for a new version for n9-00 | 22:00 |
| PaulW_cdot | where would I find the meego arm repo? | 22:00 |
| CosmoHill | PaulW_cdot: repo.meego.com | 22:00 |
| PaulW_cdot | CosmoHill, thanks | 22:01 |
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| iekku | mHmT, what did you say earlier? | 22:01 |
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| mHmT | the same as in English what did i say | 22:02 |
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| iekku | mHmT, there wasn't any "meego" that's why I asked | 22:02 |
| CosmoHill | or n900 | 22:03 |
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| iekku | true | 22:03 |
| iekku | oh, mayde it was: 22:00 < mHmT> its really sucks to wait for a new version for n9-00 | 22:04 |
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| CosmoHill | mHmT: you could check the meego.com website for news | 22:04 |
| mHmT | they announced on that site they are still working to porting meego for n900 | 22:05 |
| CosmoHill | MeeGo 1.1 for x86 comes out next week | 22:05 |
| CosmoHill | so I would imagine the n900 port shouldn't be long after that | 22:06 |
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| iekku | I hope that too, waiting for it for testing | 22:07 |
| mHmT | that means to sell this sucking handy and to buy a new one which is completely suitable with windows mobile | 22:07 |
| CosmoHill | mHmT: are you german? | 22:07 |
| iekku | :D | 22:08 |
| mHmT | nope :) | 22:08 |
| mHmT | why did you ask about? | 22:08 |
| CosmoHill | you said "handy" which i know is German for mobile phone | 22:08 |
| iekku | CosmoHill, are you from France? | 22:09 |
| CosmoHill | non | 22:09 |
| iekku | :) | 22:09 |
| CosmoHill | toi? | 22:09 |
| mHmT | i'm a Turk | 22:09 |
| iekku | mHmT, so where you are from? | 22:09 |
| iekku | CosmoHill, and where are you? | 22:10 |
| CosmoHill | England :) | 22:10 |
| iekku | ok :D | 22:10 |
| mHmT | but for a short while i'm from Uzb. | 22:10 |
| iekku | :06 [freenode] -!- CosmoHill [~Nate@dyn-62-56-57-228.dslaccess.co.uk] | 22:11 |
| iekku | 22:06 [freenode] -!- ircname : Nathan | 22:11 |
| iekku | 22:06 [freenode] -!- channels : #meego | 22:11 |
| iekku | 22:06 [freenode] -!- server : barjavel.freenode.net [Paris, FR] | 22:11 |
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| iekku | that's why I asked | 22:11 |
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| CosmoHill | my host name is english but the IRC server I'm on is frence, interesting | 22:11 |
| iekku | :D | 22:12 |
| iekku | yes it is | 22:12 |
| iekku | :) | 22:12 |
| Myrtti | usually the hostname is the more significant one | 22:12 |
| iekku | true | 22:12 |
| mHmT | so may i ask any other question? | 22:12 |
| Myrtti | (given that it is actually shown) | 22:12 |
| mHmT | they are telling on that site about meego for notebook. | 22:13 |
| Myrtti | you just did and nobody came to spank you, so take that as a yes | 22:13 |
| mHmT | is this version for tablet pc's? | 22:13 |
| CosmoHill | there is a tablet UX being developed | 22:13 |
| mHmT | does it debian based UX or what? | 22:14 |
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| CosmoHill | meego has it's own UX for different purposes | 22:14 |
| CosmoHill | netbook, handset, car and tablet | 22:14 |
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| mHmT | but Nokia has left to support this UX right? | 22:15 |
| mHmT | IBM either if am i not wrong | 22:15 |
| CosmoHill | MeeGo is a joint venture between Nokia and Intel | 22:16 |
| mHmT | understood. | 22:16 |
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| mHmT | anyways i hope they succes on their projects. | 22:17 |
| mHmT | many thanks for replies to my questions. | 22:17 |
| CosmoHill | you're welcome | 22:17 |
| mHmT | take care all. | 22:17 |
| CosmoHill | bye bye | 22:18 |
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| niala | hello, | 23:08 |
| Myrtti | mmmm oooohhh, it's almost bed time | 23:08 |
| Myrtti | brilliant | 23:08 |
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| andre__ | DawnFoster: You're welcome. And at least you do answer my emails. Thanks for that. ;-) | 23:12 |
| DawnFoster | andre__: I try :) | 23:12 |
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| DawnFoster | I really do appreciate all of the help getting our bug triage process sorted out. | 23:13 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm still pondering if there's a simple way to solve the cultural pattern of 'involving the needed people in CC outside mailing list' | 23:17 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: this is probably going to sound like a nasty idea.. but do you happen to know how people pick up who to mail, inside the meego peeps at intel? 'mailing lists' that expand to a number of people? | 23:19 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: not sure that I understand your question | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | well | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | i've seen in some mail programs that when i select for example 'handset team' group, it would then expand in To/CC field to the people within that group | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | and i was wondering how people choose who to mail regarding meego issues, if it's based on those kind of groups or if they have a mental knowledge of who to mail, etc :) | 23:22 |
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| Stskeeps | .. and my idea was to add meego.com mailing lists to those 'groups' :P | 23:22 |
| DawnFoster | I'm guessing mental knowledge | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 23:23 |
| DawnFoster | I know that I don't do that | 23:23 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, i do it with mental knowledge too or by previous email CC chains | 23:23 |
| DawnFoster | exactly, and sometimes I go to the wiki / governance to remind myself who is in charge of what | 23:24 |
| DawnFoster | I'd like to get to a point where we have the right people actually paying attention to the right mailing lists | 23:24 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 23:24 |
| DawnFoster | *wishful thinking* | 23:24 |
| DawnFoster | maybe | 23:24 |
| lcuk | then stop mailing people direct | 23:25 |
| lcuk | and only bother the ML | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: it's a cultural problem.. | 23:25 |
| lcuk | and when people feel left out, show them where mails are going | 23:25 |
| lcuk | yes | 23:25 |
| lcuk | so break the culture | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | very hard :) | 23:26 |
| lcuk | easy as selecting a ML instead of indivudual | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: or perhaps try to use the culture instead.. introduce 'phonebook.meego.com' which provides lists of who's involved with what, what teams exist, have easy functions for generating CC lists.. | 23:26 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, when mail volume drops by 50% people notice | 23:27 |
| lcuk | same as when it rises | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | CC lists could naturaly include an autoarchiver.. | 23:27 |
| andre__ | some stuff is just intransparent. | 23:27 |
| andre__ | e.g. I assume that basically nobody knows who technically maintains the meego bugzilla ;-) | 23:28 |
| Stskeeps | it's difficult to be fully open when suddenly you meet someone of importance in helsinki airport and have coffee | 23:28 |
| Stskeeps | there's practical openness and there's ideological openness :) | 23:28 |
| andre__ | not that I need that info that often, just fundamentally | 23:28 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, the out of band chats and topics always occur | 23:30 |
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| Myrtti | HW? | 23:37 |
| lcuk | hardware | 23:37 |
| Myrtti | right | 23:37 |
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