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| CosmoHill | I'm Cosmo Hill and i've been running a poll for the selection of the Community OBS sub-domain name for just over 2 weeks | 00:10 |
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| CosmoHill | this is a short-list of sub-domains that where suggested on the forum and on IRC | 00:11 |
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| CosmoHill | 28 votes overall were placed | 00:11 |
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| CosmoHill | 6 of which are for "dev" which will be ignored since "dev" is no longer available | 00:12 |
| CosmoHill | 1st with 9 votes: "pub" | 00:12 |
| CosmoHill | 2nd with 7 votes: "cobs" | 00:12 |
| CosmoHill | joint 3rd with 3 votes each: "community" and "apps" | 00:13 |
| CosmoHill | none of the other suggestions received any votes | 00:13 |
| CosmoHill | that is all | 00:14 |
| thiago_home | auki | 00:15 |
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| auke | it's auke, not auki | 00:16 |
| CosmoHill | auki received no votes | 00:16 |
| lbt | no one wanted auki ;) | 00:16 |
| lbt | poor auki | 00:16 |
| * thiago_home wants auki | 00:16 | |
| auke | they all want auke | 00:16 |
| CosmoHill | actually I like it but I've not voted | 00:16 |
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| thiago_home | auki is Finnish for "open" | 00:17 |
| CosmoHill | no it's not, we had this discussion, it means "on" | 00:17 |
| * csdb thinks of bread everytime cobs is mentioned | 00:17 | |
| thiago_home | ok, it means "on" | 00:18 |
| Kray | what | 00:18 |
| CosmoHill | oh crap it acutally does mean "open" | 00:18 |
| CosmoHill | sorry thiago_home | 00:18 |
| Kray | how you came up with it meaning "on"? | 00:19 |
| Jartza | yes. | 00:19 |
| thiago_home | well, my water tap says "Auki On / Kiini Off" | 00:19 |
| Jartza | ovi on auki == door is open :) | 00:19 |
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| Jartza | thiago_home: yes. wrongly translated :) | 00:20 |
| Jartza | open / closed | 00:20 |
| thiago_home | Jartza: well, not a literal translation :-) | 00:20 |
| Jartza | that would be correct | 00:20 |
| thiago_home | if we're going for random finnish phrases, there's "Ei saa peitää" | 00:21 |
| Jartza | finnish is nice :) | 00:21 |
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| Jartza | thiago_home: do not cover | 00:21 |
| Kray | peittää, you mean? | 00:22 |
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| Jartza | yes | 00:22 |
| * araujo likes finnish pronunciation | 00:22 | |
| thiago_home | my preferred is "Käyhän että tuon kannettavani saunaan" | 00:22 |
| Jartza | auki means open, but not like open source :) | 00:22 |
| pexi | ovi store perse auki | 00:22 |
| * araujo managed to order food in finnish in subway when he was there | 00:23 | |
| Jartza | it means some THING is open. open source = avoin lähdekoodi :) | 00:23 |
| CosmoHill | Jartza: so it's probably a good thing nobody voted for it | 00:23 |
| Jartza | thiago_home: :D | 00:23 |
| Jartza | CosmoHill: yeah. I don't know why anyone would want that. | 00:23 |
| Jartza | I could've understood "avoin" | 00:24 |
| CosmoHill | they're thoses annoying home sales people | 00:24 |
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| Jartza | yeah. "ovi auki!" == open the door! | 00:24 |
| Jartza | :D | 00:24 |
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| CosmoHill | if I'm honest, after my little presentation bit I was expected the community OBS sub-domain to be selected | 00:25 |
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| Kray | how about persaukinen for subdomain name | 00:25 |
| CosmoHill | I'm not even going to try and read that | 00:26 |
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| Kray | and I'm not even trying to translate it | 00:27 |
| thiago_home | "flat broke" ? | 00:27 |
| Kaadlajk | flat broke sounds accurate | 00:28 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: please could you update the IRC stats? | 00:30 |
| rittk | hm, any plans to replace banshee with something other? | 00:31 |
| thiago_home | why? | 00:32 |
| thiago_home | is it not working? | 00:32 |
| rittk | because of mono/sharp :) | 00:32 |
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| rittk | too many dependencies for a single package) | 00:32 |
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| rittk | and yes, its buggy | 00:33 |
| rittk | closing banshee while it plays movie doesn't stops it | 00:34 |
| rittk | so, you're looking at the empty desktop and listen some voices | 00:34 |
| auke | yup | 00:34 |
| thiago_home | cool, ghost voices | 00:35 |
| rittk | known issue, yeah, but it sux anyways | 00:35 |
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| pupnik | http://slashdot.org/story/10/10/20/1958209/UK-To-Track-All-Browsing-Email-and-Phone-Calls "The UK government plans to introduce legislation that will allow the police to track every phone call, email, text message and website visit made by the public. The information will include who is contacting whom, when and where and which websites are visited, but not the content of the conversations or messages. Every communications provider will be req | 00:56 |
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| auke | pupnik: there's an easy solution to that: make everyone's computer randomly crawl the entire internet | 00:57 |
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| CosmoHill | ssh tunnel to a US server you say? | 00:58 |
| pupnik | auke: that thought crossed my mind as well | 00:58 |
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| * qgil had no clue NTFS was yet another "Finnish thing"! http://www.tuxera.com/about-us/ | 01:27 | |
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| lbt | good morning qgil :) | 01:28 |
| Robot101 | qgil: this is the linux implementation - not the MS one :) | 01:28 |
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| lbt | Robot101: clearly he chose the superior solution | 01:29 |
| lbt | .... the one with no write option ;) | 01:29 |
| qgil | lbt good "morning" - are you in Australia or...? | 01:29 |
| lbt | no... but I thought you were clearly pre-coffee :P | 01:30 |
| qgil | lbt I'm post-ignorance :) | 01:30 |
| lbt | isn't it dawn over there... | 01:30 |
| qgil | 15:29 lbt | 01:30 |
| lbt | mmm ... I guess it's late here | 01:30 |
| lbt | but! | 01:30 |
| CosmoHill | late and a bit cold | 01:31 |
| lbt | we have progress on the community OBS | 01:31 |
| lbt | CosmoHill has chosen a name for it ;) | 01:31 |
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| lbt | (oh, and we're moving ahead on the LDAP thing... you probably see the emails on those) | 01:31 |
| qgil | CosmoHill: so what's in a name? | 01:31 |
| jebba | is it open? i havent been following everything. | 01:32 |
| CosmoHill | "pub" | 01:32 |
| lbt | jebba: working hard on it | 01:32 |
| CosmoHill | jebba: you're up to date | 01:32 |
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| CosmoHill | this is the latest stuff now | 01:32 |
| CosmoHill | "cobs" came in second | 01:32 |
| lbt | jebba: I just setup http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenNetworking ... the bottom diagram | 01:32 |
| jebba | with xen though? hmm. | 01:33 |
| qgil | CosmoHill: will we see the "pub" in Dublin? B) | 01:34 |
| lbt | qgil: seems like a good place to announce it | 01:34 |
| qgil | an Irish pub | 01:34 |
| CosmoHill | you will see many pubs, the winner is the person who remembers the most the following day | 01:34 |
| lbt | jebba: yes... xen... the leading virtualisation solution. | 01:34 |
| CosmoHill | that sounded like a slogan | 01:35 |
| lbt | "virtualises your VMs with a brighter virtualisation you can really feel" | 01:35 |
| lbt | (and it sucks less than kvm) | 01:35 |
| CosmoHill | the last part sounds like getting burnt by a desk light | 01:36 |
| jebba | except if you want to use a normal kernel or anything. is a bit dated seems to me. But ec2 is nice... | 01:37 |
| lbt | jebba: but you don't want a normal kernel... paravirt rulez | 01:37 |
| lbt | for server deployed VMs at least | 01:38 |
| jebba | you can do all that with kvm too (virtio etc) | 01:38 |
| lbt | yes, they are catching up ;) | 01:38 |
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| CosmoHill | I tried VMware | 01:39 |
| * lbt sighs | 01:39 | |
| CosmoHill | it was painful | 01:39 |
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| CosmoHill | that computer just sits there now unplugged and unused | 01:40 |
| jebba | lbt: xen is still patched in, no? Perhaps i'm a bit dated here.... | 01:40 |
| lbt | jebba: tbh, it could be... but I'm running debian Xen domU on Suse Dom0 and it's good | 01:41 |
| lbt | I really have no worries about either one | 01:41 |
| lbt | it just happens to be all setup and scripted with xen | 01:42 |
| lbt | so go with it | 01:42 |
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| jebba | ah. I have xen instances on amazon and i dont even see how to cleanly/easily update the kernel. kvm is brainless. | 01:44 |
| lbt | xen kernels (usually) live outside the VM | 01:45 |
| lbt | saves messing around faking bootloaders | 01:45 |
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| lbt | again, for a server this is cool... to do a desktop emulator that's indistinguishable from raw metal... not so much | 01:46 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 01:50 |
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| smithna | question for yah experts... on branding packages for ivi (from 1.0.99) install directory is /usr/share/themes/meego/meegotouch/meego*/images while the app install is to /usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/meego*/ is this intended? | 01:52 |
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| mikhas | smithna, it is | 02:17 |
| mikhas | think of /usr/share/themes/meego as an overlay for /usr/share/themes/base | 02:17 |
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| npm | i just got http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_with_Xephyr under F12 x86_64... do i always run as "root" on the meego, or can I login as a regular user? | 03:44 |
| npm | apparently, this counts as "Intel Graphics" despite no mention of intel: "http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_with_Xephyr" | 03:46 |
| npm | oops 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon HD 3300 Graphics | 03:46 |
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| mode14 | hi | 06:43 |
| mode14 | i'm trying to figure out what meego is? | 06:43 |
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| Myrtti | I feel like a winner already | 08:16 |
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| priyanka__ | hi are there any meego api's avialble for interfacing with bluetooth | 09:25 |
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| Tumi_ | is there anything else than bluez? | 09:34 |
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| priyanka__ | @Tumi_ in case there is .. then does meego provide ne api's? | 09:44 |
| priyanka__ | are there any qt api's avialble in meego for interfacing to bluez | 09:44 |
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| chriadam | priyanka__: http://qt.nokia.com/developer/qt-roadmap#local-connectivity-api it's listed as a research project, not sure about timeline or commitment etc. | 09:46 |
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| Myrtti | wheeee, halfway uploaded | 09:50 |
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| priyanka__ | @chidambram .. can thy be integrated into an existing meego project | 09:52 |
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| chriadam | priyanka__: I don't know. I don't know anything about it tbh. | 09:55 |
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| priyanka__ | @chriadam ok. so officially only bluez is supportted | 09:56 |
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| chriadam | priyanka__: i don't know the answer to that either, sorry. Maybe there are other APIs available, I don't know. But I remembered seeing the note about Local Connectivity on that roadmap page last time I read it, and thought you might be interested in seeing that page, so I linked it. I really don't know anything about it, though. | 09:59 |
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| priyanka__ | @chridam thanks | 10:10 |
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| sx0n | morning | 10:23 |
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| Myrtti | I hate blip.tv | 10:25 |
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| Kubuntiac | Myrtti: why? | 10:27 |
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| Myrtti | I've tried to upload a video from the Tuesday Tampere meetup five times now and it just doesn't work | 10:30 |
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| Myrtti | latest excuse after uploading 220M was (paraphrased) "U are an idiot hahahahaha omglol read RFC 1867" | 10:30 |
| TermanaN900 | Myrtti, are you absolutely sure it's not that a pebkac? | 10:31 |
| TermanaN900 | :p | 10:31 |
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| Myrtti | TermanaN900: I'm such a failure in life at the moment anyway I wouldn't be surprised. I still hate blip.tv though. | 10:32 |
| RST38h | The question one has to ask oneself is "How many people will be interested in downloading a 220MB of video showing a bunch of geeks and their gadgets?" | 10:32 |
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| RST38h | [and then go with a bunch of still images :)] | 10:33 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: blip.tv encodes it over to a flash video and you can pick the format you want | 10:33 |
| Myrtti | in addition to the flash one | 10:33 |
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| RST38h | Ok, so it becomes 50MB instead. The question remains. | 10:33 |
| Myrtti | and it isn't just a bunch of geeks, we actually had presentations. | 10:33 |
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| RST38h | I am sure those were not standup comedian presentations, i.e. they are available in digitla form? :) | 10:34 |
| RST38h | Which, in turn, can be uploaded as a modestly sized file... | 10:34 |
| TermanaN900 | RST38h, i would be interested. Potentially even if it was a bunch of geeks showing their devices :p | 10:35 |
| * RST38h feels like a grumpy old man, indeed :) | 10:35 | |
| Myrtti | RST38h: nobody is forcing you to watch the videos. You are allowed to ignore the efforts of volunteers as much as you like. I don't upload the video for you - there might be someone else interested in them | 10:37 |
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| Myrtti | talking of the devil, achipa I'm just uploading the video, is CC-BY ok for you? It's the same license I've used with the other MeeGo videos as it's the same Linux Foundation (has at some point) use | 10:38 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Don't get offended, just being grumpy | 10:39 |
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| ivrubano | hi! | 10:40 |
| achipa | Myrtti: hey there - cc-by is just fine | 10:40 |
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| achipa | Myrtti: you might want to add the source of the slides, those were shamelessly appropriated from our meego BDFL | 10:41 |
| ivrubano | Can any body help me with qt mobility & multimedia? | 10:41 |
| Myrtti | I'll add them on the description | 10:41 |
| Myrtti | too late to add to the video :-D | 10:41 |
| achipa | Myrtti: no prob | 10:42 |
| achipa | Myrtti: or just stick them into CC (why is the short for so many things CC ?) | 10:42 |
| achipa | ivrubano: qtmultimediakit can be hairy if that is the question :) | 10:43 |
| ivrubano | I'm trying to do mPlayer = new QMediaPlayer; mPlayer->setMedia( QUrl( "http://87.98.222.167:8002" ) );QObject::connect( playAction, SIGNAL( triggered () ), mPlayer, SLOT( play () ) ); and i got GStreamer; Unable to play - "http://87.98.222.167:8002" . What's the problem, why ??? | 10:44 |
| achipa | ivrubano: what does the error message say ? | 10:45 |
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| achipa | just the unable to play or ? | 10:45 |
| ivrubano | GStreamer; Unable to play - "http://87.98.222.167:8002" the only thing I saw | 10:45 |
| achipa | (talking about QMediaPlayer::error) | 10:46 |
| ivrubano | How to get it? | 10:46 |
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| ivrubano | I tried to use qDebug() << "Error in appending content"; but seems it doesn't work | 10:49 |
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| achipa | ivrubano: I mean just qDebug() << mPlayer->errorString(); | 10:53 |
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| achipa | ivrubano: also make sure that the mimetype is actually supported | 10:54 |
| achipa | ivrubano: 'cause the url doesn't hint what the media type is | 10:54 |
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| Myrtti | wheeeeeee | 10:56 |
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| ivrubano | Do I need to do something special to use qDebug() << ? I haven't got any errors, and no debug messages :( | 11:32 |
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| CosmoHill | SD cards make good guitar plectrums | 11:59 |
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| sx0n | ivrubano, where, in plain qt? | 12:12 |
| sx0n | and windows | 12:12 |
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| ivrubano | in meego env | 12:12 |
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| sx0n | using meegotouch? | 12:12 |
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| ivrubano | yes | 12:12 |
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| sx0n | -output-level debug | 12:13 |
| ivrubano | what is it? | 12:13 |
| sx0n | command line parameter | 12:14 |
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| ivrubano | I use qtcreator, what should I do? | 12:15 |
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| sx0n | projects->run setting->arguments | 12:17 |
| ivrubano | Thanks! | 12:17 |
| Joppeffs | yw | 12:17 |
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| lorenzo__ | hi everyone | 12:19 |
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| CosmoHill | hello | 12:20 |
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| lorenzo__ | in my organization we have been investigating on meego for a while and we would like to contribute | 12:21 |
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| lorenzo__ | we are thinking to start from bug fixing | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | wher would you like to contribute? | 12:21 |
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| lorenzo__ | we are particularly interested in the media framework | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | bugs.meego.com is completely open - do you have an OBS in your organisaton? | 12:22 |
| lorenzo__ | like pulse audio and audio management | 12:22 |
| lorenzo__ | what is an OBS? sorry for the ignorance... | 12:22 |
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| CosmoHill | OpenSUSE Build Service | 12:23 |
| lorenzo__ | no, we don't. | 12:23 |
| lorenzo__ | do we need it? | 12:24 |
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| lbt | lorenzo__: you should be able to use the community OBS in the next week or so | 12:24 |
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| lorenzo__ | we have been just investigating on the system on an Intel notebook and tried it out on an N900 | 12:25 |
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| lorenzo__ | lbt: are there any instructions on the wiki on how to use the community OBS? | 12:26 |
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| sx0n | lorenzo__, http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2010/05/community-building-for-maemo-and-meego.html | 12:27 |
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| lorenzo__ | sx0n: many thanks | 12:30 |
| sx0n | courtesy of lbt. don't thank me. | 12:30 |
| lorenzo__ | lbt: many thanks then | 12:31 |
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| raptor | Hi | 12:39 |
| CosmoHill | hi | 12:39 |
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| raptor | can somebody confirm whether meego works on Inspirion | 12:39 |
| raptor | dell's Inspiron 6000 | 12:39 |
| CosmoHill | what processor does it have? | 12:40 |
| raptor | Intel 1.6 | 12:40 |
| raptor | Let me confirm the model | 12:40 |
| CosmoHill | Atom or Core 2? | 12:40 |
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| raptor | Intel Pentium M | 12:41 |
| CosmoHill | then MeeGo won't work on your computer | 12:41 |
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| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/faq.txt | 12:41 |
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| raptor | MeeGo requires a processor with SSSE3 support (Intel Atom, Core 2 Duo | 12:42 |
| raptor | - or a newer Intel processor so it requires SSS3 support | 12:42 |
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| raptor | let me check with cpuz | 12:43 |
| CosmoHill | I don't know why I put Duo on there | 12:43 |
| raptor | It's Pentium M 730 | 12:43 |
| CosmoHill | that has no SSE3 or SSSE3 support | 12:44 |
| CosmoHill | you might be interested in Smeegol | 12:45 |
| raptor | here it is Smeegol | 12:45 |
| raptor | sorry | 12:45 |
| raptor | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Pentium_M_microprocessors | 12:45 |
| raptor | Pentium M 730 | 12:45 |
| CosmoHill | I know, I opened that page whilst you were loading cpu-z :) | 12:46 |
| raptor | oh | 12:46 |
| raptor | isn't Smeegol ava through torren | 12:46 |
| CosmoHill | I don't know, you can check | 12:47 |
| CosmoHill | http://news.opensuse.org/2010/10/06/announcing-smeegol-1-0/ | 12:47 |
| raptor | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Meego:/Netbook/images/iso/ | 12:47 |
| raptor | no torrent | 12:47 |
| raptor | also can i run Smeegol on Live USb | 12:48 |
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| CosmoHill | I wouldn't know, I do know you can run it from DVD tho | 12:49 |
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| raptor | I will have to search for live USB then | 12:49 |
| CosmoHill | Remember that Smeegol is not Meego so if you have problems with it you will have to ask in their channel | 12:49 |
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| raptor | I know | 12:50 |
| raptor | Got it | 12:50 |
| raptor | http://news.opensuse.org/2010/10/06/announcing-smeegol-1-0/ in comments | 12:50 |
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| Myrtti | *yawn* wheeee my video has uploaded | 12:53 |
| Myrtti | well, both of them | 12:53 |
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| Myrtti | I've not yet decided what to do with the other presentation video, but here's achipa's presentation: http://blip.tv/file/4275339 | 13:14 |
| achipa | Myrtti: yay (boy do I suck at presentations :) ) | 13:15 |
| Myrtti | it wasn't too bad | 13:16 |
| Myrtti | I've seen a LOT worse. a LOT. | 13:16 |
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| achipa | yeah, no beverage containers or expired vegetables flying this time around :) | 13:16 |
| Myrtti | wohey, I don't need to summon alot on myself. http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html | 13:16 |
| Myrtti | on almost unrelated note: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUjQ9uGynyA | 13:18 |
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| tp | hi all | 13:19 |
| achipa | Myrtti: if you want to put in the presentation URL: http://www.slideshare.net/TechnopolisOnline/meego-presentation | 13:19 |
| achipa | though I conveniently skipped the part where he talks about Symbian doing more than well :) | 13:20 |
| Myrtti | *chuckle* | 13:20 |
| tp | Ive tried the latest Meego release image and really liked it, but preferring a fuller Fedora OS underneath, have installed Fedora 14 and the moblin-meego packages | 13:21 |
| achipa | tp: just don't call it femeegola or we'll all be doomed :P | 13:21 |
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| achipa | s/ola/ora/ | 13:22 |
| infobot | achipa meant: tp: just don't call it femeegora or we'll all be doomed :P | 13:22 |
| tp | I'm wondering if anyone knows how to start meego from the default gnome wm as selecting 'Fedora netbook' in the GDM just gives a white screen ? | 13:22 |
| tp | infobot, ok :) | 13:22 |
| infobot | :) is probably honeypea | 13:22 |
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| tp | or does anyone have a url to a howto for installing meego ontop of a standard fedora install, if that is possible ? | 13:23 |
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| sjokkis | tp: you mean dual boot? make a separate partition and choose that when you install. you might have to choose something akin to "configure partitions manually" during install | 13:26 |
| tp | sjokkis<-- no not dual boot. I have a F14 install and would like to run meego on it | 13:26 |
| tp | it's on a hp 5102 netbook where the latest meego image installed and runs very nicely | 13:27 |
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| sjokkis | i'm not into how fedora meego works, sorry | 13:28 |
| tp | so I've now installed f14 beta (to take advantage of all the std apps) and would like to have meego as the wm | 13:28 |
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| sjokkis | maybe this will help: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MeeGo_1.0 | 13:28 |
| tp | sjokkis<-- no worries, thanks for your input anyway | 13:28 |
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| tp | sjokkis<-- I've read that link a few days ago, but here is nothing about the post install procedure | 13:30 |
| rittk | Linux 2.6.36 was released | 13:30 |
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| lorenzo__ | hi guys | 13:51 |
| priyanka__ | hi i have set up my local OBS server, am getting an error while rescanning the repo for ARm | 13:52 |
| priyanka__ | srv/obs/events/armv7el/.scanrepo::MeeGo:1.0.99.0.20101005.1:Core::standard27722: No such file or directory, can somebody plz help | 13:52 |
| lorenzo__ | did you say the meego community ODB would be ready to use next week? | 13:52 |
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| lorenzo__ | what have people done so far to build their packages? have they used local OBS set up following the instructions here http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service/Installation | 13:56 |
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| ivrubano | What does mean error QMediaPlayer::ResourceError ? | 14:04 |
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| sunder | hi all .. has anybody tried tslib? | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | evdev is usually better these days | 14:07 |
| sunder | i am stuck at calibration .. the ts_calibrate cros hair doesn/t move | 14:07 |
| sunder | tslib is the first i am trying for touchscreen. .. | 14:08 |
| sunder | :( | 14:09 |
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| sunder | Stskeeps: can evdev be used for touchscreens? | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | we use it on n900 | 14:15 |
| sunder | Stskeeps: and is it the recommended input library? | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | what ts are you on? | 14:16 |
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| sunder | i m on an iMX5a based board and trying to run meego on it | 14:17 |
| sunder | sorry iMX51 | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | try with evdev and if calibration isn'[t good, use xinput_calibrator | 14:18 |
| sunder | okay thanks for the information .. i will try it | 14:18 |
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| tp | anyone know how to start meego fom fedora 14 beta ? (I've installed all the meego moblin packages) | 14:22 |
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| lorenzo__ | does anyone know if there is any OMA device management implemented on MeeGo at the moment? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OMA_Device_Management | 14:24 |
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| lauksas | there is some guys here | 14:47 |
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| lauksas | nice that people are talking about meego | 14:47 |
| lauksas | wating to it's lounch to N900 :D | 14:47 |
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| psycho_oreos | it is available for N900 albeit it lacks features still | 14:48 |
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| sunder | stskeeps; does tslib need an framebuffer device and does imx51 based board might have it// sorry this question may not appropriate here.. | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | no, doesn't | 14:52 |
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| sunder | stskeeps; it means tslib has no dependencies as such for framebuffer devices | 14:53 |
| lorenzo__ | Stskeeps, do you mean there is no OMA DM on meego? | 14:53 |
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| Stskeeps | what? | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:54 |
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| lorenzo__ | sorry, I was asking whether there is any OMA Device Management on meego.. = Open Mobile Alliance Device Management: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OMA_Device_Management | 14:55 |
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| lorenzo__ | it is implemented on S60 and S40 phones | 14:56 |
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| slaine | looks like I have learn how to use zypper for 1.1 | 14:58 |
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| joern__ | Hallo, does somebody know how to build meego for hardware like the gumstix overo fire? Do I need the OBS system for it or can I do it with MIC? | 14:59 |
| slaine | Does zypper have an equivilant of yum's groupinstall ? | 14:59 |
| kallam_ | joern__: mic you can build images with ready packages and OBS is system to compile packages | 15:00 |
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| joern__ | kallam, okay, so I try to build a package upon the current status of the meego developement..... does MIC that? | 15:02 |
| joern__ | and I need to modify the standart kernel, to use it with my gumstix overo board...... so the easiest why to do this is to build the kernel with openembedded (default way for gumstix) and add it to the created image | 15:03 |
| joern__ | is that right? | 15:03 |
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| kallam | joern__: right way is add gumstix to meego kernel package | 15:08 |
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| joern__ | kallam, is there any info available how to do that? | 15:09 |
| joern__ | so I am able to create such a kernel package .... where sould i put it to use it with MIC? | 15:10 |
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| kallam | you can make local repo and but that in MIC .ks file | 15:11 |
| kallam | joern__: there is some kernel guide in wiki | 15:11 |
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| joern__ | ah okay.... that sounds good...... is that the same way how to integrate a developed application in the image that will be created? | 15:13 |
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| heffer | regarding http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Creating_ARM_image_using_MeeGo_Image_Creator: | 16:01 |
| heffer | NOTE: Fedora has its own mtd-utils package, but that does not include the required tools for ubi creation. is incorrect by now | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | what fedora version? | 16:02 |
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| heffer | lemme see | 16:02 |
| heffer | 13+ | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | k, please note 13+ then | 16:03 |
| heffer | commit for this is http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=mtd-utils.git;a=blobdiff;f=mtd-utils.spec;h=fd5b703d608a805c7a6b454ffec59cf4e76e8006;hp=a116b8aae4e270606d4d2a39635f6b09b82263a9;hb=3aad866034f66d068880292f2850572379b9806e;hpb=1b738ed2bf5967d3bb0f3ef180e002aa19d7ade2 | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | we don't use ubi creation anymore anyway | 16:03 |
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| heffer | yeah, but just so people don't need to install 3rd party rpms if they do want ubi for some reason | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:04 |
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| heffer | if you want we can work to make those meego repos for Fedora obsolete by trying to include most of it in Fedora itself | 16:06 |
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| heffer | from what i can tell that's the case already for all packages but pybugz | 16:07 |
| heffer | and qemu-arm-static | 16:08 |
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| Lalloso_ | hi | 16:11 |
| Lalloso_ | user experience applications development is mainly based upon qt libraries right? | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | right | 16:11 |
| Lalloso_ | where qt is the gtk alternative and not apple quicktime | 16:11 |
| slaine | Right, that's broadcom rpms for 1.1 sorted | 16:11 |
| Lalloso_ | (just to be sure :) | 16:11 |
| slaine | I'll post about it later | 16:11 |
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| kontio | I'm behind a proxy, how can I tell zypper to use the proxy? I tried http_proxy env variable; proxy=IP:PORT in repo file, and --proxy IP:PORT in ~/.curlrc... | 16:25 |
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| jniq | kontio: echo "proxy=http://your.proxy" > /root/.curlrc should work | 16:38 |
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| kontio | jniq, thx for the tipp, it also works with http_proxy env variable, if you enter the IP correctly :-) | 16:44 |
| CosmoHill | hey dazo and niala | 16:44 |
| niala | hello CosmoHill have a nice day | 16:45 |
| jniq | kontio: :) | 16:45 |
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| djszapi | is libarchive installed on meego by default ? | 16:58 |
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| X-Fade | djszapi: Yes. | 17:01 |
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| djszapi | kool, ty :) | 17:01 |
| X-Fade | libarchive-2.8.3-1.11.i586.rpm | 17:02 |
| djszapi | kool enough :) | 17:02 |
| djszapi | not that new like on archlinux, but it is still OK. | 17:02 |
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| djszapi | is 'ar' command available on meego by default ? | 17:50 |
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| CosmoHill | "ar" is part of binutils | 17:51 |
| djszapi | I have already seen an embedded system with stripped binutils not containing that binary. | 17:52 |
| djszapi | so yes then ? | 17:52 |
| CosmoHill | I think it must be | 17:52 |
| CosmoHill | since I used MeeGo to build LFS which I'm pretty sure requires ar | 17:52 |
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| niala | ar is here | 17:57 |
| CosmoHill | oh man that's cruel. My lecturer has a count down until the assignment deadline | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | so there's no doubt | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:57 |
| CosmoHill | Assignment Due: 50 days, 0 hours, 2 minutes, 11 seconds | 17:57 |
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| djszapi | niala: thank you. | 18:02 |
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| niala | djszapi: but I don't know if I've add (like lsof) or if is it in by default | 18:04 |
| djszapi | yes, it would be nice to share the default packages, if someone gets a new, fresh system | 18:05 |
| djszapi | and publish it on wiki or something like that. | 18:05 |
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| berndhs | CosmoHill: 50 days? they want you to go on vacation first ? | 18:06 |
| niala | djszapi: No really important, you can look package at repo.meego.com | 18:07 |
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| djszapi | niala: and there ? | 18:08 |
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| pppablo | Quick question, is repo.meego.com down? | 18:19 |
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| Stskeeps | pppablo: i'm having difficulties, at least | 18:19 |
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| pppablo | Bummer. Well, I guess it'll be back online later. | 18:20 |
| X-Fade | pppablo: works for me. | 18:21 |
| slingr | mplspablo | 18:21 |
| DawnFoster | I'm not having any issues with the repo either | 18:21 |
| pppablo | Can't ping it from Argentina nor EEUU | 18:21 |
| pppablo | (USA) | 18:21 |
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| X-Fade | Well, that is because it has a firewall ;) | 18:22 |
| X-Fade | It just doesn't ping, but the site itself works fine for me. | 18:22 |
| pppablo | You're right. Http requests work. But a little while ago didn't. Solved :) | 18:23 |
| X-Fade | pppablo: for next time. mirrors.kernel.org also hosts a mirror. | 18:23 |
| pppablo | Ah, good to know. Thanks | 18:23 |
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| niala | djszapi: http://mirrors3.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.0/netbook/images/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.packages | 18:27 |
| pppablo | Could you please link me to some info for building my own meego kernel? I've done it in other distros, but couldn't find official docs for Meego. 2.6.33 is troublesome for me, because of the staging RTL8192e drivers | 18:27 |
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| djszapi | niala: ty. | 18:32 |
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| niala | do you have something else for migraine than qt and c++ | 18:42 |
| niala | pppablo: you can make kernel like in other distro | 18:43 |
| pppablo | Yeah, but you have several patches of your own branch | 18:43 |
| pppablo | niala: I want to stick to the guidelines as much as possible. | 18:44 |
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| niala | pppablo: I haven't read this but maybe it's help you http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_kernel_documentation_for_contributors | 18:47 |
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| pppablo | niala: That's for contribution.. but nevermind, I'll just build a vanilla kernel from kernel.org. It'll probably work just fine | 18:49 |
| pppablo | niala: Thanks! | 18:49 |
| niala | yes classic way | 18:50 |
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| * niala 's head will explode .... have computer also migraine ? | 18:50 | |
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| thiago | any intel developer around here? Need some info on using Git inside your network. | 18:58 |
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| niala | pppablo: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1414 | 19:17 |
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| * CosmoHill gives niala some pain killers for the migraine | 19:17 | |
| pppablo | niala: thanks!! | 19:17 |
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| niala | thanks you CosmoHill, . | 19:22 |
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| * qgil is looking for a Qt Quick developer for a cool YouTube related open project in SF Bay Area http://www.meetup.com/SFBay-MeeGo-Network/ | 19:43 | |
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| RST38h | Care to describe the project in more detail? | 19:49 |
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| Krooks | If meego be very successful, I wonder what will be the fate symbian. | 20:07 |
| CosmoHill | low end phones? | 20:08 |
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| Krooks | But still a lot of effort is being put into symbian, so we never know. Since it is all about QT now, so virtually all meego apps will be able to run on symbian with trivial recompile and vice-versa. | 20:11 |
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| thiago | qgil: ping | 20:13 |
| qgil | thiago: pong | 20:13 |
| Krooks | thiago: qgil: PANG | 20:13 |
| thiago | qgil: the early bird event in Dublin... should I be there? | 20:14 |
| qgil | RST38h: Qt Quick developer wanted to develop openly a port of http://code.google.com/p/youtube-direct/ - documenting the experience dealing with YouTube APIs and Android code. The prize will be an N900 to test and a dose of fame in the MeeGo, YouTube and Google developer communities | 20:14 |
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| qgil | thiago: I can only say that I will be landing in Dublin on Saturday around 1pm | 20:15 |
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| thiago | so no problem if I arrive only on Sunday? | 20:17 |
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| RST38h | qgil: The whole ytd thing appears to be written in Android Java, so porting it is not feasible | 20:18 |
| thiago | what's the difference between the hotels? | 20:18 |
| qgil | Krooks: thiago entirely up to you - as long as you show up in your session on Monday you're fine with me ;) | 20:18 |
| RST38h | qgil: Reimplementation may be possible though, especially if someone explains in plain English what it is supposed to do :) | 20:18 |
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| qgil | RST38h: well, by "poorting" I mean getting the same UX using the same REST APIs | 20:19 |
| qgil | hum, "poorting" is actually a funny typo ;) | 20:19 |
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| thiago | not available | 20:20 |
| thiago | trying next cheapest | 20:20 |
| RST38h | qgil: reading | 20:20 |
| qgil | RST38h: this app is a showcase of the YouTube APIs and if you start clicking the links around you will find plenty of documentation | 20:20 |
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| qgil | RST38h: it's basically a fully functional code example supporting the YouTube API docs - I had a chat with one person in that team and we came up with the idea of having a Qt version too, as a showcase to help MeeGo developers getting those APIs into use in their apps | 20:22 |
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| RST38h | qgil: So, it comes down to automatic video submission to youtube? | 20:24 |
| qgil | RST38h: I don't know exactly but I guess all the info is there | 20:26 |
| qgil | RST38h: sorry, I'm dealing with too much stuff these days | 20:26 |
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| RST38h | qgil: I checked their site but could not figure out what their project does in layman's terms | 20:27 |
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| RST38h | qgil: looks like some youtube submission library | 20:27 |
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| qgil | RST38h: isn't http://code.google.com/p/ytd-android/ enough to get an idea? | 20:28 |
| RST38h | qgil: ah, this is slightly better | 20:29 |
| qgil | RST38h: well, it's a link in that page ;) | 20:29 |
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| RST38h | qgil: Ok, this thing lets you shoot a video and upload it to your youtube account, the way I understand their terminology | 20:30 |
| RST38h | So, does Qt quick currently support video capture? | 20:32 |
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| RST38h | Google shows CameraAPI as part of the Qt Mobility API | 20:33 |
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| RST38h | QtDeclarative (http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qdeclarativeelements.html) does not appear to allow camera view inclusion, or a generic QWidget inclusion, at the first glance | 20:37 |
| RST38h | So, the YTD thing *probably* cannot be pure QtQuick, unless I am missing something major | 20:38 |
| qgil | RST38h: no idea, and this is why I'm looking for someone capable of figuring out all those things :) | 20:38 |
| qgil | RST38h: Qt Quick is anything but pure, though :) | 20:39 |
| RST38h | Well, trying to figure them out, as we speak, as a mental excersize | 20:39 |
| * thiago suggests #qt-qml and ask questions there | 20:39 | |
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| thiago | but it appears that qgil is asking that someone do that for him :-) | 20:39 |
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| RST38h | Basically, when you remove all the verbal garbage, this is a YouTube video uploader | 20:40 |
| RST38h | + a piece that registers your video with some weird Google App Server based API | 20:40 |
| qgil | thiago: good point and i¡'ll go ask there as well | 20:40 |
| RST38h | that lets you manage videos | 20:40 |
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| RST38h | QML (correct me if I am wrong) is a way to quickly declare UIs, so the point of intersection between these two entities will be the video capture UI | 20:41 |
| thiago | see Qt Multimedia | 20:42 |
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| thiago | it might provide QML plugins that support video and/or camera | 20:42 |
| thiago | Camera support is mobility 1.1 (so no MeeGo 1.0) | 20:42 |
| RST38h | aha | 20:42 |
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| RST38h | Indeed: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0-beta/qml-multimedia.html | 20:43 |
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| RST38h | Sadly, it does not let you capture video, just play it back | 20:43 |
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| RST38h | Unless there is an undocumented part | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | auke: as it matters for my own work, where is the FEA# requirement documented (i agree there has to be one, just wondering what memo i didn't read) | 20:44 |
| RST38h | Full Qml-Video reference here: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0-beta/qml-video.html | 20:45 |
| auke | Stskeeps: in this case the request is way too big to be merged without a FEA | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:45 |
| auke | so I'm gonna hammer it down and get this documented :D | 20:46 |
| RST38h | Ok, let us forget video capture for now and look at the web API, as one will need some to submit video | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | auke: hopefully it can only aid the requirements process.. there's still a lot of stuff that should be specified in more details | 20:47 |
| auke | ya | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | am working on processing the accepted requirements for 1.2 into n900 requirements atm so | 20:47 |
| kyb3R_ | I have a non-technical question... | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | ask away | 20:48 |
| kyb3R_ | can I use the graphics in Meego in a conference website? | 20:48 |
| thiago | auke: hey, does the Intel network block access to remote ports like SSH and the Git port? | 20:48 |
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| Stskeeps | kyb3R_: i'd advice asking DawnFoster | 20:48 |
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| kyb3R_ | Stskeeps: ok | 20:48 |
| auke | Stskeeps: I'm really trying to get everyone to use bugzilla for tracking integration | 20:49 |
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| DawnFoster | kyb3R_: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Style_Guide has information on using MeeGo characters | 20:49 |
| auke | without it we're lost ... there's no way for the distro team to verify stuff is ok to go in or not | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:49 |
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| auke | thiago: bad bad boy, you shouldn't ask about corporate firewall policies | 20:50 |
| DawnFoster | the short answer is that they "Can be used, reproduced, and modified freely in marketing communications." | 20:50 |
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| kyb3R_ | oh Damn is online :) nice | 20:50 |
| thiago | auke: yeah... | 20:50 |
| kyb3R_ | I meant Dawn | 20:50 |
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| auke | Damn? | 20:50 |
| auke | hehe | 20:50 |
| auke | DamnFoster | 20:50 |
| DawnFoster | ha! | 20:50 |
| kyb3R_ | me and my typos... | 20:50 |
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| thiago | auke: well, the reason is an intel engineer who's having trouble cloning Qt and sent me an email | 20:50 |
| auke | thiago: tell him to ask me please | 20:51 |
| thiago | auke: he's not OTC, just so you know | 20:51 |
| thiago | forwarding you the email, thanks for any help you can give | 20:51 |
| auke | np we'll get him sorted out. | 20:51 |
| RST38h | qgil: I cannot find how one can use HTTP protocol from QtQuick, other than instantiating a browser window visible to the user | 20:52 |
| kyb3R_ | oh well, we want to use the Meego Tablet UI layout as base for our Regional Conference/Summit website | 20:52 |
| kyb3R_ | and icons | 20:52 |
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| thiago | sent, now time to go home | 20:52 |
| qgil | RST38h: if you are interested on this pelase follow thiago's advice and go to #qt-qml where the experts can be found | 20:52 |
| RST38h | qgil: Ok. | 20:52 |
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| RST38h | qgil: Asked about camera and http in QML at #qt-qml. Nobody answered. People either do not know, or they are asleep. | 21:06 |
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| RST38h | Or maybe there are no such things (which Google search seems to confirm). | 21:06 |
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| npm | re http://code.google.com/p/youtube-direct/ -- the java requires a standard Sun JDK and runs in eclipse... not clear that it's android-java as mentioned above | 21:07 |
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| RST38h | npm: Quite possibly it is just normal Java. This particular URL covers the server side component | 21:08 |
| npm | the java parts appear hosted on app-engine | 21:08 |
| RST38h | npm: Right. I first thought it is the client part (Android), but it is not | 21:08 |
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| RST38h | The whole thing looks like it would be much more relevant as an extension to the Maemo YouTube sharing plugin | 21:09 |
| RST38h | I.e. an option to the YouTube sharing plugin that lets you set up a YTD account | 21:09 |
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| npm | i think it's for more than just uploading... it seems to have other aspects of YT API as well e.g. "Search filter for assignments and submissions" | 21:10 |
| RST38h | BTW, does Meego specification includes sharing plugins? =) | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: actually i've seen something like that in requirements | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | hang on | 21:11 |
| RST38h | npm: Yea, but you are looking at the server part running under APp Engine | 21:11 |
| npm | yep, as needed for AJAXy googly type work | 21:11 |
| RST38h | npm: On the client side, you only seem to need a way to register your video with this YTD thing | 21:11 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8179 | 21:11 |
| npm | on the client side, it's all javascript, w/ some authing reqs | 21:12 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: Yep, that it our sharing plugin framework indeed :) | 21:12 |
| RST38h | npm: I am sure you can do it without javascript, if you know what data to send to the server :) | 21:12 |
| RST38h | npm: Also, there is some hope QtQuick "JavaScript" allows for network communications | 21:13 |
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| npm | RST38h: I was thinking of an impl like /usr/lib/qt4/examples/webkit | 21:22 |
| RST38h | npm: Yea, the problem is, the only way to use webkit in QML is by adding a visible web widget | 21:22 |
| RST38h | npm: Or so QMLreference seems to imply | 21:22 |
| npm | doh!? | 21:23 |
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| RST38h | npm: If you disregard the QML requirement and say "I will do it in proper C++ Qt", then it all becomes easier | 21:23 |
| npm | /usr/lib/qt4/examples/webkit/formextractor doesn't need visible widget? | 21:23 |
| RST38h | npm: This is not QML, is it? | 21:24 |
| npm | javascript | 21:24 |
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| RST38h | npm: Inside a web browser, right? | 21:24 |
| npm | no, it's a standalone webkit example | 21:24 |
| npm | there might be a web browser inside, but it's not visible as such | 21:25 |
| RST38h | npm: A moment, I do not have it in this Win7 system, looking for it online | 21:25 |
| npm | i use fedora so it's part of qt-examples-4.6.3-8.fc12.x86_64 | 21:25 |
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| RST38h | No fedora here, sorry | 21:26 |
| RST38h | Found it. It is not QML. Plain Qt app using WebKit widget | 21:26 |
| npm | yep | 21:27 |
| npm | otherwise you're going to have to hook up all sorts of stuff, though, auth, ssl, certs, etc | 21:27 |
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| RST38h | npm: Quim said it has to be done in QML, as an example | 21:27 |
| npm | doh | 21:28 |
| npm | sounds like a big example | 21:28 |
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| RST38h | npm: Well, such were the requirements | 21:28 |
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| RST38h | npm: At the moment, they look unsatisfiable to me, but who knows... | 21:28 |
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| npm | isn't WebKit and QML integrated in Qt 4.7?? | 21:31 |
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| RST38h | They are both in (and Mobility API too, afaik, that has camera api), but I am not sure how they are related | 21:32 |
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| npm | http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-12502 | 21:32 |
| RST38h | Well, you CAN add a web view widget to QML, but this does not necessarily means tight integration | 21:32 |
| npm | not ready yet | 21:32 |
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| thiago_home | oh, goodie, it's snowing in Oslo | 21:34 |
| auke | fun fun | 21:35 |
| thiago_home | only 5½ months since the last snow | 21:35 |
| thiago_home | we had snow in April, snow in May, why not in October? | 21:35 |
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| thiago_home | some people came from Helsinki today and complained that it was cold here | 21:37 |
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| Myrtti | it's always cold in Helsinki | 21:38 |
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| Myrtti | it's the wind, you know | 21:38 |
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| thiago_home | "Caos in the first snow of the fall" says the news | 21:39 |
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| thiago_home | every single year that happens | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | or when there is 1cm of snow in the UK: "country shut down" | 21:41 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: YOu won;t believe what happens when it snows in Washington DC... | 21:42 |
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| mihero | it would be nice if same would wortk in finland, if we get 1cm of snow nobody would need to go to work or school:) | 21:43 |
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| mihero | work | 21:43 |
| npm | RST38h / qgil -- i agree w/ the "unsatisfiable" part ... all the javascript ( youtube-direct-read-only/ytd/war/js/ ) expects to be running in a browser, uses jQuery DOM calls, etc | 21:43 |
| thiago_home | mihero: well, that happens when there's another 29cm on top of that 1cm | 21:43 |
| thiago_home | all of a sudden | 21:43 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Massive blackouts, people abandoning unheated homes for hotels, highways full abandoned (sometimes crashed) cars, etc | 21:43 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: sounds fun | 21:44 |
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| npm | i think the "has to be done in QML" should be dropped -- how about has to be done in Qt w/ webkit? | 21:45 |
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| RST38h | npm: You *can* use JavaScript from QML | 21:45 |
| qgil | npm: and again you are asking the wrong guy :) If Qt Quick can't do something then maybe plain Qt can come to the rescue? | 21:45 |
| RST38h | npm: But a very limited version, only sufficient to process UI events, it seems | 21:45 |
| npm | obviously... but who makes the DOM, and who talks to the network? | 21:45 |
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| RST38h | qgil:It is quite doable in plain Qt | 21:45 |
| RST38h | qgil: But see above for the proper context where it has to be done (YouTube sharing plugin) | 21:46 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps provided a bug tracker that requests sharing framework to be implemented in Meego | 21:46 |
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| qgil | RST38h npm why don't you start with the documentation part in a wiki page already? all your findings in this chat room will be "lost" for potential contributors soon | 21:48 |
| qgil | RST38h npm honestly I'm of little help when it comes to provide any technical advice myself | 21:49 |
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| npm | qgil: i think QML/QtQuick will be an integrated solution in the future (qt 4.7) but meego isn't running 4.7 yet | 21:54 |
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| npm | thus the "plain Qt to the rescue" seems like it would enable success, but phaps the QML approach will be a lot of development work and inventing of the wheel | 21:55 |
| qgil | npm: MeeGo 1.1 is running Qt 4.7 | 21:56 |
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| npm | so phaps w/ Meego1.1 as prereq, more possible ... i'm not on qt 4.7 yet. | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | 1.1 is out in about a week | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:59 |
| npm | excellent! | 22:00 |
| RST38h | npm: I checked QML docs from Qt 4.7. No luck there. And #qt-qml people have not answered my question. | 22:00 |
| RST38h | npm: One thing worth checking in Qt 4.7 is the MobilityAPI. At least it has some API for video capture. | 22:00 |
| npm | qt 4.7 webkit/qml: http://phosphor-escence.blogspot.com/2010/05/qml-sample-using-webkit.html | 22:01 |
| RST38h | npm: ! | 22:01 |
| thiago_home | use a webview, yeah | 22:01 |
| RST38h | npm: Ok, I have seen this one | 22:01 |
| RST38h | npm: It creates a visible webkit widget in the UI | 22:02 |
| thiago_home | with a webview, you can make JS calls into the HTML world | 22:02 |
| RST38h | npm: It lets you load URLs there, but that is about it, according to the reference | 22:02 |
| npm | thiago_home: agreed. that's why i think such approach is worth looking into | 22:03 |
| RST38h | npm:On the other hand, if that WebView is allowed to read local files, you may rig it with some proper javascript to take a temporary video file and do the Google stuff | 22:04 |
| RST38h | Still no video capture in QML though | 22:04 |
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| npm | seems like that could be done in the app that integrates webkit: extend the embedded browser w/ native functionality to capture/play media | 22:07 |
| Krooks | QML is almost another language | 22:08 |
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| thiago_home | the L in QML is "Language" | 22:11 |
| ljp | hmm. I thought it stood for 'love'. go figure | 22:11 |
| RST38h | L in QMLis JavaScript, actually :) | 22:11 |
| npm | ecmascript? | 22:11 |
| RST38h | As QML itself is supposed to be declarative :) | 22:11 |
| RST38h | npm: right | 22:11 |
| RST38h | a moment | 22:11 |
| thiago_home | the Q is Qt | 22:12 |
| thiago_home | the M is whatever you want it | 22:12 |
| ljp | mega | 22:12 |
| thiago_home | officially it's "Meta-object", which is meaningless for me | 22:12 |
| thiago_home | I prefer "Magic" | 22:12 |
| ljp | Qt Mega Love. I like it | 22:12 |
| RST38h | Mediocre | 22:12 |
| RST38h | Although, it is actually ok, just needs more work before it turns into Vala++ | 22:13 |
| inz | Quit Making Love? | 22:13 |
| ljp | nope. that cant be it | 22:13 |
| inz | k | 22:13 |
| RST38h | npm: Qt+QML+JavaScript: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.0-beta/declarative.html | 22:14 |
| RST38h | npm: Actually a fat, all encompassing example | 22:14 |
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| npm | seems like it just uses REST/etc to talk to webservices . the JS from the YT-direct wouldn't work and would need a total rewrite. e.g. all the jquery/DOM calls | 22:19 |
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| qgil | thiago_home: QM-OL | 22:28 |
| thiago_home | O? | 22:28 |
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| qgil | thiago_home: meta-object, you said | 22:29 |
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| thiago_home | that's why I prefer "Magic" | 22:30 |
| thiago_home | "Qt Magic Language" | 22:30 |
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| mikhas | Q Meaning Less | 22:40 |
| mikhas | Qt More Lies | 22:40 |
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| sivang | qgil,thiago_home : meta-object can be represented by just "M", hence QML :) | 22:51 |
| thiago_home | sivang: that's what marketing says | 22:52 |
| thiago_home | I still think it means magic | 22:52 |
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| sivang | thiago_home: Fredric told pointed to me to the guy that sort of invented it, he also gave a lecture about how to extend it from C++ , maybe we can ask him? Apologies for forgetting his name... | 22:54 |
| qgil | sivang: I believe the "Q" of QML means "QML" ;) | 22:54 |
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| sivang | qgil: ah, in the tradition of GNU's not unix? :=P | 22:54 |
| thiago_home | marketing doesn't really like recursive acronyms | 22:55 |
| lcuk | they do, but the footnote ends up being longer than the document and typists complain or repetative strain injury :P | 22:56 |
| qgil | thiago_home: "marketing" actually calls the whole thing Qt Quick | 22:56 |
| thiago_home | right | 22:56 |
| sivang | thiago_home: it has a lot of magic, but it does bind to the meta object machinery as it uses substantial subclassing to allow you to do just about everything, so meta object seems right :) | 22:56 |
| sivang | qgil: it was explained in Munich that QML is one of the tools in Quick ::) | 22:56 |
| qgil | sivang: "magic-meta-object" would also be "M" (and now I'll go back to work) | 22:57 |
| sivang | qgil: heh have fun :) | 22:57 |
| qgil | sivang: I'm in marketing and I got the lesson too :) | 22:57 |
| sivang | hehe | 22:57 |
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| sivang | thiago_home: dev days were really something, it was strange going back to everyday routine after such an event, the OVI sprint was just as engaging and fun. | 23:00 |
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| thiago_home | qgil: did alex spehr contact you? | 23:00 |
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| qgil | nope thiago_home | 23:02 |
| thiago_home | qgil: I'll ping her again | 23:02 |
| qgil | thiago_home: "her"? | 23:03 |
| thiago_home | yes | 23:03 |
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| kyb3R_ | errr... the Local Network events are advised to be added to events page with prefix 'LMN'. Yet the events page says something about 'Events are listed here once it is confirmed that MeeGo will have an official involvement'. What's the 'official' involvement? | 23:14 |
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| kyb3R_ | did I do something terribly wrong as I added next Tampere meeting there? | 23:14 |
| kyb3R_ | in the wiki pages that is... | 23:15 |
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| kyb3R_ | nevermind, posted the question to community list | 23:24 |
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