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| Bumblebee | Hello. Anyone listening? | 00:31 |
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| sofar | hi | 00:32 |
| pupnik | hi | 00:32 |
| Bumblebee | Hi. I cannot find any download link on http://meego.com/downloads/releases/updates/meego-v1.0.4-netbook-update | 00:32 |
| sofar | what are you looking for? | 00:32 |
| sofar | an image of the stable 1.0 release? that will automatically update | 00:33 |
| CosmoHill | you download meego 1.0.0 and update it using zypper | 00:33 |
| sofar | there are no images for each of the update releases | 00:33 |
| rittk | I'd suggest you the latest 1.1.80.2 snapshot | 00:34 |
| rittk | http://mirrors3.kernel.org/meego/builds/trunk/1.1.80.2.20101015.1/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32/meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.80.2.20101015.1.img | 00:34 |
| sofar | or just wait unti 1.1 is released | 00:35 |
| CosmoHill | sofar: what's that, about a week? | 00:35 |
| sofar | 10 days | 00:35 |
| Bumblebee | It might be a good idea to explain that on the site since there is no reason to assume people knowing this without it being explained to them. | 00:35 |
| CosmoHill | so a week on wednesday | 00:35 |
| sofar | Bumblebee: it's like fedora - there's no fedora 13.1 images | 00:35 |
| * CosmoHill adds it to the mental FAQ | 00:36 | |
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| sofar | infobot: updateimages is there are no images for updates, just download the latest stable release - it will update itself to the latest updates automatically after installation. | 00:37 |
| infobot | sofar: okay | 00:37 |
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| Bumblebee | Another question. Why is the version supposedly without Google Chrome called meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img? "Chromium" suggests the presence of Chrome. | 00:40 |
| pupnik | afaik chromium is the 'FOSS' version | 00:41 |
| sofar | wrong name, programmer error | 00:41 |
| pupnik | oh | 00:41 |
| pupnik | nm | 00:41 |
| CosmoHill | Bumblebee: chromium is the open source version of chrome, which pupnik just said | 00:43 |
| mihero | not much difference for user between those two | 00:43 |
| mihero | been testing the chromium now on new ubuntu | 00:44 |
| Bumblebee | I prefer a browser that doesn't report all my activities back to Google. Why not include Iron or Firefox? | 00:45 |
| CosmoHill | I thought firefox was included | 00:45 |
| sofar | supporting browsers is a huge task | 00:45 |
| sofar | there's easily 2-3 people working full time on chrome/chromium support in MeeGo | 00:46 |
| mihero | starts to be the most complicated single application in devices | 00:46 |
| sofar | mutliple browsers would be too expensive to support | 00:46 |
| CosmoHill | multiple browsers would be something meego would support once it's more mature? | 00:46 |
| sofar | just look at how many security advisories are filed against firefox/et c | 00:46 |
| pupnik | oh disabling various googlespy things shouldn't be too much work - there are patches floating around | 00:46 |
| sofar | CosmoHill: from the community OBS, sure | 00:46 |
| pupnik | and there's 'inconito mode' which could be set to default | 00:47 |
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| CosmoHill | speaking of the community OBS, "cobs" and "pub" are joint first in the sub-domain poll | 00:47 |
| Bumblebee | Is it more difficuilt to install Firefox in MeeGo than it would be to install it in any other installed Linux distro system? | 00:48 |
| sofar | no | 00:48 |
| thiago_home | well, yes. If there are no pre-built packages, it's harder. | 00:48 |
| sofar | mozilla provides prebuilt binaries | 00:48 |
| sofar | you can just install those | 00:49 |
| thiago_home | that's harder than distribution packages | 00:49 |
| thiago_home | you asked if it were more difficult. I'm answering it is. | 00:49 |
| thiago_home | the easiest method is via distro packages. | 00:49 |
| sofar | we've already established that part | 00:49 |
| sofar | no need to reiterate it | 00:50 |
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| CosmoHill | sweet, I got a text when my phone was connected to the Ovi suite and it popped up on my computer :) | 00:53 |
| Bumblebee | I'm experimenting with Linux on my HP mini 210. I tried Puppeee Linux which is only a third in (download) size but it doesn't recognise my wireless network hardware. Based on what I read I seem to be able to expect MeeGo to work on this netbook. It was nice that I didn't need to erase the SD-card I tried it on to make a bootable medium. I understand that this isn't possible with MeeGo. Or is there? | 00:55 |
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| Bumblebee | Is ther another metod to get the necessary files on the SD card without erasing the SD card? | 00:57 |
| sofar | are you intending to install MeeGo using an SD card? | 00:57 |
| sofar | or are you installing MeeGo onto an SD card? | 00:57 |
| Bumblebee | For testing purposes yes. | 00:57 |
| Bumblebee | To boot from it. | 00:57 |
| sofar | if you have enough space on the card, it's possible to have multiple OS's on it | 00:58 |
| sofar | otherwise, no | 00:58 |
| sofar | you probably also need to repartition, and modify the MeeGo image to work that way | 00:58 |
| sofar | so, it's technically possible, but not recommended | 00:58 |
| nialaa | works on my usbstick but nowith my sdhc card | 00:58 |
| Bumblebee | Yes but according to the instructions writing the IMG file to flash medium erases the medium. | 00:58 |
| CosmoHill | it shoudln't be to hard to get puppy linux working, if meego works then puppy should too | 00:58 |
| Bumblebee | This wasn't necessary with Puppee. | 00:59 |
| sofar | installing from SD card has issues not related to MeeGo - the BIOS needs to support booting from SD card and lots of BIOS'es don't do that | 00:59 |
| sofar | Bumblebee: yes, and that is the recommended method | 00:59 |
| sofar | get another SD card? | 00:59 |
| CosmoHill | if booting from the internal SD reader doesn't work you might want to try a USB adatper | 00:59 |
| Bumblebee | Puppeee booted fine from the SD card ( http://puppeee.com/web/ ) | 01:00 |
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| sofar | Bumblebee: it's totally possible to have multiple live images on one medium | 01:02 |
| sofar | Bumblebee: but in order to get that working, you'd need to manipulate the second image you install on that medium in a way which is not trivial | 01:03 |
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| sofar | it has nothing to do with MeeGo at all... any second live image on a SD card will have this problem | 01:04 |
| Bumblebee | Doesn't the image writer suggested ( https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer ) overwrite, meaning erase, the flash medium when writing the IMG file? | 01:04 |
| sofar | yes, because that's the RECOMMENDED method (iow, easiest) | 01:05 |
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| sofar | there is not a distro in the world which will show you how to install a second live OS on to a USB stick/SD card | 01:05 |
| Bumblebee | Ok but is there an alternative that doesn't erase everything. Just copies the files to the SD? | 01:05 |
| sofar | sure there is, if there is enough unpartitioned space around, and disk space free | 01:06 |
| sofar | and it's not documented | 01:06 |
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| sofar | and nobody will help you with it, lol | 01:06 |
| Bumblebee | I don't want it to coexist with Puppeee on the same SD. I just want other non OS related files there to remain on the SD. | 01:06 |
| sofar | copy them off, try meego, copy them back | 01:06 |
| Bumblebee | Yeah. I got that ;) | 01:07 |
| sofar | hehe sorry, you asked if it was possible, not if it was easy/feasible :) | 01:07 |
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| Bumblebee | There isn't just a zip file which I can unpack and then run some .BAT file to make it bootable or something like Unetbootin-Windows-494.exe | 01:08 |
| sofar | no | 01:09 |
| Bumblebee | Puppeee does that ( a batch file) and it is very convenient IMHO. | 01:10 |
| CosmoHill | Bumblebee: may I suggest getting a second SD card or backing up the contents first? | 01:10 |
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| Bumblebee | Do archive apps like WinRar or 7Zip suppirt this IMG format? | 01:11 |
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| Bumblebee | I am aware of that option CosmoHill. Thanks. | 01:12 |
| CosmoHill | :) | 01:12 |
| sofar | we can't answer that. please check the winrar etc projects for that information :) | 01:12 |
| Bumblebee | OK | 01:12 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: for 28 characters it takes 1:40...so far. It's not finished yet | 01:13 |
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| Bumblebee | Will this upcoming version 1.1 come as a new installable version or also as an update that will need to be applied to v1.0? | 01:14 |
| sofar | 1.0 will remain 1.0 | 01:14 |
| sofar | there is no support for updating a 1.0 installation to a 1.1 installation | 01:14 |
| sofar | - yet | 01:15 |
| Bumblebee | So it will be a new complete version? | 01:15 |
| CosmoHill | 1.0 was the first core release, 1.1 was the first release with a GUI / UX | 01:15 |
| sofar | technically, yes, it's a new complete version | 01:15 |
| Bumblebee | OK | 01:15 |
| * nialaa not easy to understand libmeegotouch | 01:19 | |
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| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/faq.txt | 01:20 |
| nialaa | CosmoHill: :) lol | 01:21 |
| Bumblebee | Would there be any reason, stability-wise, for me to not use version 1.1.80.2 but stick to v1.0? | 01:21 |
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| CosmoHill | (don't laugh, it's a minute old) | 01:21 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 01:22 |
| CosmoHill | there is a bug in 1.1.80, it's recommended you stick with Meego 1.1 or use 1.1.90 | 01:22 |
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| Bumblebee | I assumed 1.1.80.2 to be the latest. It was linked to earlier by rittk. Where can I find v1.1 or 1.1.90? The site only mentions updates up to 1.0.4 | 01:25 |
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| nialaa | Bumblebee: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/ | 01:27 |
| rittk | don't mind, its full of bugs anyways | 01:27 |
| CosmoHill | Bumblebee: sorry, i might have been thinking of 1.0.80 | 01:28 |
| rittk | I use 1.1.80.1 and it is exactly as bad as `stable` 1.0 | 01:28 |
| CosmoHill | anything I should add to the FAQ? | 01:29 |
| CosmoHill | this is a draft, I'll put it on the wiki later | 01:29 |
| Bumblebee | I don't see a 1.1.90 Was that perhaps a typo and did you mean 1.0.90? | 01:29 |
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| nialaa | CosmoHill: maybe a link to how to make your own meego-live with kickstart | 01:30 |
| CosmoHill | do you have the link? | 01:31 |
| nialaa | http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation_For_Beginners | 01:31 |
| CosmoHill | added | 01:32 |
| pupnik | ty nialaa | 01:33 |
| CosmoHill | I was tempted to make a list of questions where the answer is just "no" | 01:33 |
| nialaa | CosmoHill: ahh ok | 01:34 |
| CosmoHill | mid way put "Yes" "really?" "no" | 01:35 |
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| nialaa | CosmoHill: can meego do coffee ? | 01:36 |
| nialaa | pupnik: ?? | 01:36 |
| pupnik | heya | 01:36 |
| pupnik | i didn't know that link | 01:36 |
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| nialaa | pupnik: more complete http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation | 01:37 |
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| CosmoHill | nialaa: I added that too | 01:39 |
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| rittk | hehe, qt-driven cofee machine was broken all the time at the devdays :) | 01:40 |
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| nialaa | kickstart is a nice way to have meego-live with good language | 01:40 |
| rittk | wifi still doesn't works correctly in the 1.1.80.2 ( | 01:41 |
| rittk | but the touchscreen does | 01:41 |
| CosmoHill | we should have a list of devices on the wiki with tick boxes | 01:41 |
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| rittk | mediaplayer still works after being closed while playing movie | 01:43 |
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| CosmoHill | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions#Comparison_chart | 01:43 |
| CosmoHill | a list sort of like that | 01:44 |
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| CosmoHill | devices along the side, things like wifi along the top | 01:44 |
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| Bumblebee | A list of supported hardware (audio/video/network chips etc.) would be useful too I think. | 01:45 |
| nialaa | CosmoHill: yes with aava, notebook, arm, etc it canbe difficult to now | 01:45 |
| CosmoHill | I was thinking more dell mini 9, asus eeepc, samsung n10 | 01:45 |
| Bumblebee | New models appear very rapidly. Hardware (chips) used in them changes much slower. | 01:46 |
| nialaa | http://wiki.meego.com/Devices | 01:47 |
| CosmoHill | seems good | 01:48 |
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| Bumblebee | My HP is a mini-210-1070ED which isn't on the list. But I kind of expect it will work. | 01:48 |
| nialaa | Bumblebee: yes notebook are like pentium100 from last century | 01:49 |
| CosmoHill | Bumblebee: find out and if it does add it :) | 01:50 |
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| Bumblebee | Is Broadcom WiFi supported in v1.1.x ? I understand it isn't in 1.0.x. from that devices list in the Wiki. | 01:54 |
| nialaa | I have add s101 in devices list | 01:54 |
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| rittk | doesn't works correctly for me | 01:56 |
| nialaa | broadcum you will have some problems http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=238 | 01:56 |
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| nialaa | broadcom no broadcum .... woops | 01:57 |
| pupnik | freud waves from the grave | 01:58 |
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| CosmoHill | added that to the FAQ | 01:58 |
| rittk_meego | pidgin works here | 01:59 |
| nialaa | CosmoHill: what? freud in the faq ? | 01:59 |
| CosmoHill | lol no | 01:59 |
| CosmoHill | the broadcom thing | 01:59 |
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| nialaa | I think we need a clear link to the forum on the first page of meego.com | 02:00 |
| rittk_meego | I did some simple bash sript that configures wifi via iwconfig + ifconfig + route | 02:00 |
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| nialaa | forum can be difficult to find for no english people | 02:00 |
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| rittk_meego | rrrh | 02:01 |
| rittk_meego | the sizegrip should be much bigger here | 02:01 |
| nialaa | sizegrip ? | 02:02 |
| rittk_meego | that thing at the bottom-right corner of window | 02:02 |
| nialaa | ok for resizing the windows.. | 02:03 |
| rittk_meego | that assists in resizing the window with dragging ) | 02:03 |
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| Bumblebee | BTW is there something comparable to Prey ( http://preyproject.com/ ) for Linux? | 02:04 |
| pupnik | yes | 02:06 |
| johnx | ssh + some gps app that runs on the command line | 02:06 |
| pupnik | threads over on the t.m.o forums | 02:06 |
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| johnx | though also, prey seems to say on the *front page* that it's available for linux ... | 02:07 |
| CosmoHill | ah | 02:07 |
| Bumblebee | Indeed. They hide it a biot though. Just saw the lillr penguin icon. | 02:08 |
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| johnx | I saw a testimonial scroll by that mentioned it :) | 02:08 |
| nialaa1 | after 5-6 hours meego live bug :) | 02:09 |
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| Bumblebee | They say for Mac, PC's and Phone in the page title. Odd they are not more forthcoming about Linux. | 02:10 |
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| nialaa | Bumblebee: remember me what do you search ? | 02:12 |
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| Bumblebee | My questions are mostly answered nialaa. | 02:15 |
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| rittk_meego | quir | 02:15 |
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| nialaa | ssh -X 192.168.1.10 | 02:30 |
| nialaa | arf | 02:30 |
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| CosmoHill | Error: Unable to connect to 192.168.1.10 | 02:32 |
| nialaa | lol | 02:32 |
| nialaa | I must watch more my screen, or nextime I will type password | 02:33 |
| CosmoHill | I've done that once so far | 02:34 |
| nialaa | CosmoHill: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=238 that's a good begin for your faq | 02:34 |
| CosmoHill | I'll look into that tomorrow | 02:34 |
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| nialaa | yes it's late for me, good night, bonne nuit | 02:34 |
| CosmoHill | bonne nuit nialaa | 02:35 |
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| Bumblebee | I'm signing off too. Thanks for the info guys/gals. | 02:37 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 03:30 |
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| rittk | how to create a rpm from the tarball? | 04:00 |
| rittk | I already have a compiled package | 04:00 |
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| wangjan | is anybody there? | 07:42 |
| wangjan | i have one question: whether there is some tool for unit test for meego? | 07:43 |
| pupnik | for qt apps? | 07:45 |
| timoph | for test execution or for writing them? | 07:45 |
| timoph | and for manual or automated testing? | 07:46 |
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| wangjan | hello, i want to use the unit test tool for test excution | 08:12 |
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| wangjan | if i write some case for unit test, do we use the qt-creator? | 08:15 |
| timoph | wangjan: http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools/Testrunner-lite | 08:15 |
| timoph | that's a generic test execution tool. | 08:16 |
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| wangjan | hi, Timoph, you mean that i also use the tool testrunner-lite for unit test? | 08:16 |
| timoph | but if you're writing test with QtTestLib that might be an over kill | 08:16 |
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| hena | is there a way to set the screen brightness as a kernel parameter, or some other way to get to see the kernel buffer brighter during bootup on handset | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | hena: device? | 08:17 |
| hena | n900 | 08:17 |
| timoph | you can use it with any tests but if you only want to see that your code work your better of just using QtTest | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | hena: do what i do ..take out usb cable, device completely powered off, hold down power button and then put in usb cable | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | hena: that causes it to light up first | 08:18 |
| hena | ah, ok, thanks :) | 08:18 |
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| timoph | wangjan: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qtestlib-manual.html | 08:20 |
| jianchu | could anyone help to teach me how to switch to other channls? | 08:20 |
| sandst1 | jianchu: are you using irssi? | 08:21 |
| RST38h | /join #<channelname> | 08:21 |
| dm8tbr | ah, he's using qwebirc | 08:22 |
| RST38h | eeeek! | 08:23 |
| dm8tbr | yes, the /join command should add tabs to the qwebirc window | 08:23 |
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| dm8tbr | getting a proper irc client in the long run would be recommended (xchat, chatzilla, irssi, quassel, … ) | 08:24 |
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| jianchu | sorry, just lost connection as timeout... | 08:27 |
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| dm8tbr | did you get our answers? | 08:28 |
| jianchu | no | 08:28 |
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| dm8tbr | 05:21:30< RST38h> /join #<channelname> | 08:29 |
| dm8tbr | 05:22:49< dm8tbr> ah, he's using qwebirc | 08:29 |
| dm8tbr | 05:23:28< RST38h> eeeek! | 08:29 |
| dm8tbr | 05:23:34< dm8tbr> yes, the /join command should add tabs to the qwebirc window | 08:29 |
| dm8tbr | 05:24:22< dm8tbr> getting a proper irc client in the long run would be recommended (xchat, chatzilla, irssi, quassel, … ) | 08:29 |
| jianchu | dm8stbr, can you show me how to join this channel via irssi? | 08:30 |
| sandst1 | jianchu: /connect irc.freenode.net and after that /join #meego | 08:32 |
| jianchu | Thanks | 08:33 |
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| jianchu | let me try | 08:33 |
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| jianchu | Unable to connect server irc.freenode.net port 6667 [Connection timed out] | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | behind a proxy? | 08:36 |
| jianchu | i can connect via qwebirc | 08:36 |
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| jianchu | Stskeeps, Sorry, i do not know how to check if behind a proxy or not, can you show me how to check? | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | jianchu: well, usually your network settings would reveal that, but i don't know :) | 08:43 |
| TermanaN900 | Are you at work, school, a library or some other place that is providing public internet access? | 08:44 |
| * Stskeeps yawns and gets breakfast | 08:44 | |
| Myrtti | well, his IP address might give some clues... | 08:45 |
| jianchu | :), problem is: i can login via qwebirc, but cannot with irssi, weird... | 08:45 |
| Myrtti | jianchu: have you tried with any other client? | 08:45 |
| Myrtti | other than irssi | 08:45 |
| jianchu | can i set this proxy in irssi? | 08:46 |
| Myrtti | what you could also do is to join #freenode and ask help there as well | 08:46 |
| dm8tbr | hmm irssi might support proxy if the proxy supports CONNECT | 08:46 |
| dm8tbr | http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup knows about http proxy setup :) | 08:48 |
| jianchu | get it, Thanks | 08:48 |
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| jianchu | i will ask help from my own side as well:) | 08:48 |
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| jianchu | do we have Meego error channel here? | 09:21 |
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| jianchu | i mean the channel for meego bug fix | 09:22 |
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| TermanaN900 | jianchu, bug reports go on the bug tracker | 09:23 |
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| jianchu | so, we won't have special channel for bug fixing here, right? | 09:24 |
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| TermanaN900 | jianchu, well, bug fixing goes on in the development channels I guess | 09:26 |
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| TermanaN900 | But there is no central bug fixing channel | 09:27 |
| jianchu | O, thanks | 09:27 |
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| jianchu_ | i do not know if it is out network problem or not, but guys here always disconnect auto... | 09:29 |
| jianchu_ | Thanks guys for answer so many stupid question:) | 09:31 |
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| Stskeeps | morn X-Fade | 09:49 |
| X-Fade | Hi | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | back from vacation? | 09:49 |
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| X-Fade | Yes, back to the grind :) | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 09:50 |
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| djszapi | is there a kde repository for Meego, like kdebase, kdelibs, plasma and so on ? | 10:41 |
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| KaLif | djszapi: http://download.meego.com/live/ | 10:44 |
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| djszapi | http://www.notmart.org/index.php/Software/KDE_on_MeeGo -> so basically notmart's page seems to be quite fine. | 10:44 |
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| djszapi | KaLif: sorry, but I did not see KDE there. | 10:45 |
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| lcuk | morning X-Fade \o | 11:15 |
| X-Fade | hi lcuk | 11:17 |
| lcuk | spotted you around, how have you been? | 11:17 |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: Good, great to be off the grid for a few weeks :) | 11:22 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, hope your batteries are recharged and ready for this period :) | 11:23 |
| lcuk | I was at the Helsinki meetup last week and had a great chat with the folks there :) | 11:23 |
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| lxsameer | hi does any one tried to install meego on HTC devices? | 11:30 |
| lcuk | tsk lxsameer do you not know how to internet search? http://www.slashgear.com/nexus-one-gets-meego-plus-dell-streak-htc-desire-video-26104295/ | 11:33 |
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| Myrtti | nexus one... *sigh* | 11:34 |
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| * Myrtti looks at her lifeless device | 11:34 | |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, flash meego to it :P | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | morn andre__ | 11:38 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: I'd be happy if I could flash anything to it, but I'd really prefer having a working phone... | 11:39 |
| Myrtti | well, it's a good thing I didn't give my trustworthy N95 away... | 11:39 |
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| TermanaN900 | Myrtti, why is your nexus one lifeless? :p | 11:39 |
| Myrtti | TermanaN900: it started going into a reboot loop couple of weeks ago, and yesterday it just gave up | 11:40 |
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| Venemo | hi | 12:12 |
| Venemo | why is it that according to the job offerings, there are only senior developers at MeeGo? www.tinyurl.com/nnt34l | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | uh? :P | 12:13 |
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| Venemo | look at the link | 12:13 |
| Venemo | they are only looking for senior developers and specialists | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | well, it says (Senior) | 12:13 |
| Venemo | I'm wondering, why don't they need normal(=non-senior) developers too? | 12:14 |
| lcuk | well what skillsets would you offer? :) | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not sure what the definition is, but entry level developers are easy to get and everyone would apply even if they didn't qualify, at all.. | 12:15 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: ah. | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | you'd want people who think themselves as senior developers.. | 12:15 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: so everyone in the project is that highly qualified? | 12:17 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: must be a good place to work then :) | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | i don't know anything about the composition of nokia staff | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:17 |
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| RST38h | <insert evil laughter here> | 12:17 |
| Venemo | lol | 12:18 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Mostly water, somewhat squishy | 12:18 |
| Termana | Jaffa, you forgot the hormones. Ravaging hormones that create wild mood swings | 12:19 |
| Termana | They're essential to any open source project | 12:20 |
| Myrtti | yeah, the "I need to get an Audi, now" | 12:20 |
| Myrtti | or "beer, or I'll die" | 12:20 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, watch out, some of the nokia staff have implants! | 12:20 |
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| lcuk | not the silicone kind either | 12:20 |
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| * lcuk saw a wicked xray last week | 12:21 | |
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| Termana | lcuk, was it of a raunchy sauce hot hot hot device internals? | 12:22 |
| Termana | saucey* | 12:22 |
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| Termana | :p | 12:22 |
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| lcuk | Termana, haha yes, nokia are developing wetware computers. | 12:23 |
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| niala | hello, have a nice day . http://meteopetitefrance.fr/ | 13:00 |
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| Myrtti | niala: in what way has that anything to do with MeeGo? | 13:03 |
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| niala | Myrtti: I just say hello to the room | 13:10 |
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| CosmoHill | hey lcukn900, are you going to be in tomorrow's CO meeting? | 14:38 |
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| lcukn900 | hey cosmo didnt see the schedule but most likely i am just out at lunch at the mo tho will see when i get back | 14:45 |
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| CosmoHill | it's 3pm tomorrow our time | 14:46 |
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| thiago | the world is coming to an end... | 15:23 |
| thiago | http://www.nro.net/media/remaining-ipv4-address-below-5.html | 15:23 |
| thiago | do we support IPv6 in MeeGo? :-) | 15:23 |
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| CosmoHill | that URL is misleading, I thought there were less than FIVE ipv4 addresses | 15:24 |
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| thiago | heh | 15:27 |
| thiago | oops :-) | 15:27 |
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| thiago | but in reality we're just above 5% because whoever calculated the number didn't take into account the non-allocatable addresses | 15:27 |
| thiago | the 10., 127., and 224.-255. networks | 15:27 |
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| halvors | Some ideas about when Megoo Handset will be released to the public? | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | it's already | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:28 |
| CosmoHill | Meego 1.2 comes out in 9 days :) | 15:29 |
| thiago | 1.1 you mean | 15:29 |
| thiago | 1.2 is next March | 15:29 |
| CosmoHill | erm | 15:29 |
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| halvors | 1.1 yes. | 15:29 |
| CosmoHill | netbook :) | 15:29 |
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| halvors | Also when can i buy a phone in the store who run Megoo | 15:29 |
| halvors | Meego sorry. | 15:30 |
| halvors | * | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | n900 runs meego ;p | 15:30 |
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| CosmoHill | thiago: I don't see why they don't roll out IPv6 on domestic ISP | 15:32 |
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| heffer | Deutsche Telekom is planning to enable all their customers lines for dual stack ipv4/ipv6 mode by the end of 2011 | 15:34 |
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| heffer | that's be 15,4 million ADSL users | 15:35 |
| dm8tbr | and they already run an 6to4 node on their net IIRC | 15:36 |
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| heffer | my ISP (NetCologne) recently donated a PoP to SixXS | 15:38 |
| heffer | which got overcrowded pretty fast | 15:38 |
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| Surfa | well, there may be surprisingly much activity for ipv6 in the near future | 15:39 |
| Surfa | in multiple countries | 15:39 |
| heffer | i hope so | 15:39 |
| heffer | it's needed to get this going | 15:39 |
| Sebastian92 | åñòü ðóññêèå: | 15:39 |
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| CosmoHill | off to uni now, cyas | 15:41 |
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| * heffer is in uni right now :D | 15:42 | |
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| matrixx | lectures at uni are perfect for ircing | 15:47 |
| heffer | indeed | 15:47 |
| heffer | especially if it's the first lecture on C | 15:47 |
| matrixx | sure | 15:48 |
| heffer | i think i'll pay attention as soon as the prof tells me something new :D | 15:48 |
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| matrixx | that's the spirit :D | 15:50 |
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| Myrtti | ho-hum. http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/5093508164/ | 16:49 |
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| GAN900 | Myrtti, that didn't last long. | 16:53 |
| Aard | == | 16:53 |
| Myrtti | GAN900: six months or so... | 16:53 |
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| GAN900 | Back to N900? | 16:54 |
| Myrtti | theory is that the problem is with an application that unset the notification sound thus making the system unstable (?!) | 16:54 |
| GAN900 | Flash it? | 16:54 |
| Myrtti | GAN900: I've never had one, I'm stuck with my 3 years old N95 | 16:55 |
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| Myrtti | I've tried factory reset - no joy | 16:55 |
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| RST38h | Will Google fix it? | 16:56 |
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| Myrtti | doubt it, but I'm documenting it for the support request | 16:57 |
| Myrtti | anyway... | 16:57 |
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| RST38h | It might be nature's way of reminding you to buy an N900 :) | 17:01 |
| RST38h | Or simply shoddy HTC manufacturing. | 17:01 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: that would be done with the exact same lump of money that I used to buy the Nexus One | 17:01 |
| Myrtti | ie. non-existant money | 17:02 |
| Myrtti | I've got some other plans for my money than using over 400€ on a phone | 17:02 |
| RST38h | Wait, was that Nexus One given to you by the service provider? | 17:02 |
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| Myrtti | no, by Chris DiBona of Google | 17:03 |
| RST38h | Ok, I am afraid Chris will not take it back then :) | 17:03 |
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| RST38h | But if it were from a service provider, they could replace it for free. | 17:04 |
| Myrtti | which may explain why I'm quite pissed off... | 17:04 |
| CosmoHill | hey Myrtti and RST38h | 17:04 |
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| Myrtti | oh, well. | 17:04 |
| Myrtti | ohai CosmoHill | 17:04 |
| * CosmoHill is teaching his friend C++ :) | 17:05 | |
| CosmoHill | I have pens and a white board, yay | 17:05 |
| Myrtti | would 15 minutes on normal boot and 15 minutes on "factory reset" be enough of proof that it doesn't work? | 17:05 |
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| CosmoHill | damn that's a long time | 17:05 |
| CosmoHill | yes something is wrong | 17:05 |
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| RST38h | Heya CosmoHill | 17:06 |
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| RST38h | Myrtti: It really depends on whether Google still invests in supporting these devices. If it does not, you are out of luck even if the poor Nexus is sizzling | 17:07 |
| Myrtti | well, a reseller has it still in stock and is selling them for >600€, I asked what company they send their customers devices to and that company has an office in Tampere | 17:08 |
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| Myrtti | so if I pull nothing from HTC/Google, I'll just take a bus ride to that place and dish out money. | 17:08 |
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| RST38h | >600 euros? For an Android phone? | 17:11 |
| * RST38h shrugs | 17:11 | |
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| Myrtti | RST38h: http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=22057 <-- | 17:12 |
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| Myrtti | there are better deals, but that's the biggest retailer of computer junk in Finland | 17:14 |
| berndhs | RST38h: 600 for *any* phone ? | 17:15 |
| Myrtti | berndhs: not unheard of in Finland | 17:15 |
| Myrtti | N900 was about 600 too when it launched | 17:15 |
| Myrtti | which is why I didn't and haven't bought it | 17:15 |
| berndhs | but you guys don't even export any oil :) | 17:16 |
| Myrtti | no, we export phones, you might have heard of the company... what was it again... | 17:16 |
| Myrtti | oh yes, Nokia. | 17:16 |
| CosmoHill | lol | 17:18 |
| CosmoHill | my friend just went "oh bollocks, it works" | 17:18 |
| berndhs | sure, but OPEC just rips off the foreigners :) | 17:18 |
| RST38h | Myrrti: Sorry to come back to the topic but have you considered buying an N900 from Dell Small Business Store for $400 or so? | 17:18 |
| dneary | mmeeks, Ping? | 17:18 |
| RST38h | Froogle reports $369 as the smallest credible price | 17:19 |
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| Myrtti | RST38h: for the same reason why I bought N800 18 months ago instead of an N810 - it didn't have physical keyboard with nonexistant or misplaced scandinavian keys | 17:20 |
| mmeeks | dneary: Dave ! :-) | 17:21 |
| mmeeks | dneary: wassup ? | 17:21 |
| Myrtti | and $400 is still more money than I'd have to use to get the N1 fixed | 17:21 |
| RST38h | This will be a US version and you can add any layout you want to it by editing a text file (still no labels on the keys of course) | 17:21 |
| RST38h | Yea, if Google fixes it, it would be the best solution | 17:22 |
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| dneary | bspencer, Hi! | 17:24 |
| bspencer | dneary, hello! | 17:24 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: even if I pay 100€ for it, I'll still be saving money | 17:25 |
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| Myrtti | s/for it/for fixing it/ | 17:25 |
| infobot | Myrtti meant: RST38h: even if I pay 100€ for fixing it, I'll still be saving money | 17:25 |
| hena | my first irc'n with meego, sweet :) | 17:26 |
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| hena | how long does it take to learn all the package names again? :) | 17:28 |
| hena | meaning apt vs. yum | 17:28 |
| RST38h | Why learn package names? | 17:28 |
| hena | hate the constant searching | 17:30 |
| qgil | morning bspencer , do you think qemu will make it to 1.1? Looking at http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/SDKTestReports/Ubuntu10.04_32bit_ARMv7I_N900/1.0.99.0.20101005.1 | 17:30 |
| hena | and it's not like you have to learn them, you just happen to learn them by time | 17:30 |
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| bspencer | qgil, I'm not sure what the status is for n900 QEMU image | 17:32 |
| bspencer | x86 netbook and x86 handheld images have been working with QEMU since July | 17:32 |
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| qgil | ah ok, this wasn't clear in that wiki page - thanks! | 17:32 |
| bspencer | and QEMU performance is pretty good currently, /if/ you can get it working at all | 17:32 |
| bspencer | QEMU doesn't work on many systems and there are issues that we haven't gotten to the bottom of wrt which systems work and which don't | 17:33 |
| bspencer | graphics cards, VT-enabling, etc. | 17:33 |
| wangjan | i have one question, are CDK and QEMU devices like Aava? | 17:33 |
| qgil | last question: do you know if the rest of SDK sections at http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/SDKTestReports will be updated before the release? Or who would know? | 17:33 |
| bspencer | wangjan, QEMU is a virtual machine. The image you run inside QEMU could be an Avaa or CDK image | 17:33 |
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| wangjan | so, you mean CDK is one headset? | 17:34 |
| bspencer | qgil, Praya (nokia) and Cathy (intel) are the QA leads for SDK. They should know | 17:34 |
| qgil | thanks! | 17:34 |
| bspencer | CDK is one handset (kind of). It is a development platform | 17:34 |
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| wangjan | thanks, bspencer, so in my thought, CDK is a real device i can get from the market? | 17:36 |
| dneary | bspencer, So - can I confirm the MeeGo on ARM training session for the Sunday night? I will have laptop & N900 with me | 17:36 |
| dneary | Or should I bring my beagle board? | 17:36 |
| dneary | bspencer, That brings up a point - we should start communicating your expectations to attendees | 17:36 |
| wangjan | or just a develop platform where i can get? download? | 17:37 |
| bspencer | dneary, I will be there and ready to talk about what I know. N900 devel isn't my expertise, but SDK setup is. | 17:37 |
| sivang | CDK? | 17:37 |
| wangjan | yes | 17:37 |
| sivang | "yet another acronym" ? :) | 17:37 |
| bspencer | dneary, so if it is a "BOF" environment, that works | 17:37 |
| bspencer | sivang, YAA. CDK = "C" Development Kit | 17:38 |
| bspencer | what is the "C" for? | 17:38 |
| sivang | are we using sofia in the telepathy stack btw? | 17:38 |
| sivang | bspencer: yesh, that was what I was wondering about. | 17:38 |
| hena | bspencer: successor of "B" :) | 17:39 |
| sivang | hehe | 17:39 |
| sivang | true | 17:39 |
| dneary | bspencer, I'm thinking, one guy giving 2-5 minute overviews of the next step, followed by 10 mins while everyone does it | 17:39 |
| bspencer | wikipedia says "Content" (perhaps) | 17:39 |
| dneary | Repeat | 17:39 |
| sivang | which lacked a type system or so they say | 17:39 |
| bspencer | dneary, sounds good to me. | 17:39 |
| sivang | bspencer: so this is about marketing? | 17:39 |
| wangjan | CDK is not a real device? | 17:39 |
| dneary | sivang, It was definitely the SIP stack in Maemo, so I imagine it's still there in oFono | 17:39 |
| wangjan | is it right? | 17:39 |
| bspencer | dneary, do we have a place to host it? (a room) | 17:39 |
| dneary | bspencer, So a few slides would be useful | 17:40 |
| sivang | dneary: yay, since I learn it now to implement some SIP services | 17:40 |
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| dneary | Yes, we have a room that will fit up to 100 people - I've asked for it to be in a classroom format, for max. 50 people | 17:40 |
| bspencer | wangjan, CDK is a development kit, not a real device. it looks like a naked handset -- something that wouldn't get through security at an airport.. You can't buy it at the store. I don't know about the availability to get it | 17:40 |
| * sivang searches for bspencer's session. | 17:40 | |
| Stskeeps | sivang: it's difficult to miss it, there's quite a few .. | 17:41 |
| bspencer | dneary, cool. | 17:41 |
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| bspencer | sivang, I have a BOF session for SDK stuff each night. Come hang out and get your questsions answered | 17:41 |
| wangjan | bspencer, thanks very much for you anwsers, | 17:41 |
| bspencer | or answer mine :) | 17:41 |
| dspeed | The "C" in CDK stands for "Customer". CDKs are for early development on new silicon. | 17:41 |
| sivang | bspencer: yes, http://conference2010.meego.com/program/sessions/accepted?keys=spencer made it clear it is a recurring event :) | 17:42 |
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| sivang | dspeed: so like BSPs? | 17:42 |
| sivang | "Board Support Pacakges" | 17:42 |
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| andre__ | assuming that some downstream (meego) changes exist, where is the meego git repository for evolution and evolution-data-server located? | 17:43 |
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| sivang | andre__: rumor has it there are no downstreams in meego :) | 17:44 |
| dspeed | sivang: The CDKs are used for many different things - driver development is one of them. | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: if they exist, they're patches included in srpm | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | against upstream tarball | 17:45 |
| andre__ | sivang: I highly doubt that. | 17:45 |
| andre__ | uhm. so are the diff files somewhere available on a server? | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: sec | 17:46 |
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| wangjan | still some questions: what tools will be used in the sanity test? testrunner? | 17:47 |
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| wangjan | what tools will be used in the hourly test/weekly testing/milestone testing? | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.0.99/daily/core/repos/source/evolution-data-server-2.30.2~20100629-1.5.src.rpm , rpm2cpio *.rpm | cpio -id (make a new folder) , and patches, git snapshot data in changes and what patches are applied | 17:48 |
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| andre__ | Stskeeps: :-D Thanks. A bit hackish, but should work | 17:49 |
| wangjan | can someone give some answers? | 17:49 |
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| sivang | bspencer: what about platform hacking, if for instance someone wants to work on the handset/arm branch on the downstream parts? (fix bugs only? or maybe new features that are not appropriate upstream as well?) | 17:51 |
| bspencer | sivang, you can do a lot with a chroot wrt platform development, but the SDK currently focuses on app development. | 17:53 |
| bspencer | but hacking libraries or other middleware is easy to do. hacking the kernel or drivers is a little harder | 17:54 |
| sivang | bspencer: yes, I know, being at the Munich Dev Days, app development seems mostly straight forward now with Qt et al. We need more stuff about platform hacking. I actually emailed Stskeeps something, maybe I'll toss it to meeego-dev and start a discussion. | 17:55 |
| sivang | bspencer: and it also has fair amount of documentation by now as it seems. | 17:55 |
| sivang | (app dev) | 17:55 |
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| sivang | bspencer: this was not to say your sessions are not important! Many people have not attended Dev Days and are waiting for them :) | 17:56 |
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| sivang | bspencer: and yes, am interested in user-space, so middleware and peripheria | 18:03 |
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| sgo11 | meego is Qt-based UI, but really! I can not find any Qt applications so far. is that possible to install kwrite, amarok, kontact? I can not find them with 'zypper se'. Do I need to add some other repo? | 18:20 |
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| djszapi | when will the meego build service be opened ? | 18:44 |
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| hena | is there a quite howto somewhere on making yum packages for meego? | 19:19 |
| hena | i'm mainly wonderin about repos and/or how are packages differentiated between handset/netbook/etc | 19:20 |
| hena | pardon my lazyness | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Tutorial | 19:20 |
| hena | thanks | 19:21 |
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| arfoll | does anyone know what's happened to the aava build images for meego? They seem to not have made new ones recently.... | 19:27 |
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| Stskeeps | arfoll: i think they're possibly merged into another platform | 19:28 |
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| arfoll | you think the mft builds will work on the aava then? | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | mtf is just 'meego touch framework', ie, handset ux | 19:28 |
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| arfoll | ah, those are the builds that work on the moorestown CDK, I'll see what the difference is in the .ks between those builds and the aava builds | 19:29 |
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| Kaadlajk | used to be only platformid=aava added to kboot.cmdline | 19:31 |
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| RST38h | heya qgil | 19:54 |
| vys | eeho | 19:54 |
| qgil | hi RST38h | 19:54 |
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| vys | hi | 19:57 |
| thiago | did we have a TSG meeting last week? | 19:57 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 19:58 |
| thiago | ok | 19:58 |
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| auke | Stskeeps: any objections agains putting readahead size to ~128kb? | 20:00 |
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| auke | Stskeeps: I'll follow up in the bugreport | 20:00 |
| * qgil just discovered http://www.slideshare.net/andreasjakl/quickstart-qt-for-windows-symbian-and-maemo-meego-4410776 | 20:00 | |
| Stskeeps | thiago: http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-10-13-18.56.html | 20:00 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: thanks | 20:00 |
| * thiago realises he'll be travelling during the next one | 20:00 | |
| Stskeeps | auke: no objections, we were planning on doing proper perf but 128 can't harm | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | proper perf analysis, that is | 20:01 |
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| thiago | and I don't even know what time the meeting will be in that timezone | 20:02 |
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| song123 | Hi, which application is Qt based in current meego release? thanks. | 20:03 |
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| qgil | song123: I believe Garage (application manager) is Qt based , but currently they default to MeeGo Touch (Handset) and GTK+ misc (Netbook). Not sure about IVI apps, I believe MeeGo Touch too | 20:06 |
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| qgil | song123: why? | 20:06 |
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| song123 | qgil: I heard meego was Qt UI based. but now, all I can find is gnome/gtk applications. I like to see kde apps. | 20:07 |
| auke | Stskeeps: it's a bit thick finger work anyway :) | 20:07 |
| Myrtti | Qt does not KDE make | 20:07 |
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| auke | Stskeeps: we used to turn readahead off while sreadahead is actually running | 20:08 |
| auke | that minimizes blocks read drastically at start | 20:08 |
| auke | that code I'll merge back in 1.2 | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | auke: :nod: | 20:08 |
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| song123 | Myrtti: yeah, but I failed to find Qt app. all I can see is gtk based. | 20:08 |
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| Stskeeps | auke: well, this is just a workaround currently as fennec performance is important, if you can get a sreadahead change in that benefits everyone, that's even better | 20:09 |
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| thiago | song123: are you talking about the netbook release? | 20:11 |
| thiago | song123: almost all of the apps in the handset release are Qt-based. | 20:11 |
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| Stskeeps | auke: so you'll take over the work with readahead_kb? we'll do an acceptance test tomorrow to see if there's any bad sideeffects from '0' | 20:12 |
| song123 | thiago: sorry, yeah, netbook release. sorry that I didn't mention it. | 20:12 |
| hena | referring to the contributing page, upstream in meegos case is consideres single projects, and not maemo or moblin? | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | hena: moblin and maemo are 'dead' to meego | 20:12 |
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| Stskeeps | so single projects, yeah | 20:12 |
| thiago | song123: yes, most apps are written with Gtk+ and Clutter there | 20:12 |
| thiago | song123: and like Myrtti said, introducing Qt-based apps won't make MeeGo any more KDE than it is GNOME now. | 20:13 |
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| song123 | thiago: will meego add Qt application for netbook release in the future? any plans? | 20:13 |
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| thiago | song123: new apps are being developed all in Qt | 20:14 |
| thiago | whether there are needs for new apps in the netbook remains to be seen | 20:14 |
| thiago | my guess is yes, there will be new apps and those will be Qt | 20:14 |
| hena | let's take take an example, if i wanna make a package for wvdial, is there a contrib repo or what kind of process would there be to get the package into the repos | 20:15 |
| hena | and if i'm not willing to maintain the package, it just dies if nobody else maintains it, or how does this work? :) | 20:16 |
| song123 | thiago: OK. I am wondering if I can install KDE app in the netbook release. Is there a kde repo that I can add? | 20:16 |
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| thiago | song123: you can install KDE apps. I have. But I compile my own KDE. | 20:16 |
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| Stskeeps | hena: i think once the community OBS is up there'll start being a process for those kind of things | 20:16 |
| thiago | song123: I don't think there are repos. | 20:16 |
| thiago | song123: see what Stskeeps has just said | 20:17 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, thanks, yes I will sit on the CO meeting tomorrow afternoon at 3pm, uk time ;) | 20:17 |
| song123 | thiago: ok, thanks a lot for the help and reply. | 20:17 |
| * thiago actually ran the full Plasma-Netbook on MeeGo | 20:17 | |
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| thiago | worked fine, but it draws a little more power than the MeeGo standard netbook UI and is a bit slower | 20:18 |
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| hena | Stskeeps: ok, so for now it'll be my own hosting | 20:19 |
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| lcuk | plus hearing the computer setting off sirens and wailing about a PLASMA COOLANT LEAK ON PORT NACELL was a bit disconcerting | 20:19 |
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| hena | is there a page for personal repos already, or would this possibly be a good page to start? | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | hena: forum.meego.com has some 'community repo' thing | 20:21 |
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| hena | alrighty, i guess this will be enough of my lame questions for tonight :) | 20:23 |
| auke | Stskeeps: for 1.2 I'll take ownership | 20:24 |
| auke | Stskeeps: for 1.1 I doubt we can do much more at this time | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | auke: k - so we'll probably run with the workaround - 0 or 128 better? | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | it was really amazing how much a benefit it had | 20:24 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: I plan to present the results of the community OBS sub domain | 20:25 |
| CosmoHill | that should be a few sentences | 20:25 |
| lcuk | awesome | 20:25 |
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| hena | pfft, my meego lappie ran out of battery, how irritating | 20:34 |
| CosmoHill | was it like my apple where you get two warnings before it goes to sleep | 20:35 |
| auke | Stskeeps: 128kb please, for now | 20:35 |
| CosmoHill | or like my friend's laptop where it goes "I die now" *powers off* | 20:35 |
| hena | did the flash/mmc install process change since 1.0 (or the wiki page) since i was getting no init/root errors with the latest snapshot | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | auke: k | 20:36 |
| hena | CosmoHill: nope, it was like blee, and the p came from my head | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | auke: i'll submit a change then | 20:36 |
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| hena | that was handset image 1.1.80 from 15th | 20:37 |
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| auke | Stskeeps: tyty | 20:37 |
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| song123 | is that possible to check cpu temperature under meego netbook release? | 20:39 |
| CosmoHill | is there anyone in here who hasn't voted on the Community OBS sub-domain name and would like to? | 20:39 |
| hena | what's OBS :D | 20:39 |
| song123 | some flash websites always make my cpu 100% busy. | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | hena: 1.1.80 is hosed | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | hena: we're working on it | 20:40 |
| CosmoHill | hena: I knew right up until the moment you asked me that question | 20:40 |
| hena | ah, can i help? :) | 20:40 |
| CosmoHill | OpenSUSE Build Service | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | hena: basically btrfs wasn't enabled in meego kernel :) | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | (n900 one) | 20:40 |
| hena | oki | 20:40 |
| CosmoHill | song123: I have a 15", 5 year old powerbook and most flash websites do that to my processor | 20:40 |
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| song123 | CosmoHill: mine is new. hp mini. | 20:41 |
| CosmoHill | if people want to vote see this thread: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1671 | 20:41 |
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| hena | obviously there's a catch to this, since just enabling btrfs would be too simple? :) | 20:41 |
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| Stskeeps | hena: process is hard ;) | 20:41 |
| hena | ah, ok :D | 20:42 |
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| hena | lol @ auki.meego.com | 20:43 |
| CosmoHill | i like that one :( | 20:44 |
| hena | well, it's not really international, nor do i get the joke :) | 20:45 |
| hena | pub is the traditional i guess | 20:45 |
| CosmoHill | the english translation would be "build.on.meego.com" | 20:45 |
| hena | but it wouls still be build.auki.meego.com | 20:46 |
| ieatlint | auki isn't bad | 20:46 |
| hena | would | 20:46 |
| CosmoHill | you've thinking in one language :p | 20:46 |
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| ieatlint | cobs.meego.com sounds unpleasant to me, and community.meego.com is way too long to type :P | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | cbuild? | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:47 |
| song123 | ok, i just turn off flash in chrome://plugins. | 20:47 |
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| hena | dev sounds too test/experimental/"meego property" | 20:48 |
| hena | i think pub or contrib | 20:48 |
| ieatlint | i'd prefer pub or auki | 20:48 |
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| CosmoHill | someone's broken the tie | 20:51 |
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| CosmoHill | the sub domain might be selected tomorrow | 20:54 |
| niala | hi sub domain of what ? | 20:54 |
| CosmoHill | for the community OBS | 20:55 |
| hena | ok, so no point in voting for contrib :) | 20:55 |
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| niala | in a irc meeting? or only intel and nokia? | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | community office meeting | 20:56 |
| CosmoHill | there is a Community Office IRC meeting tomorrow at 14:00 UTC | 20:56 |
| niala | noted | 20:56 |
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| CosmoHill | I saw the logs from the last one, only about six people in it | 20:57 |
| niala | it's often the case | 20:58 |
| shadeslayer | does meego have a webkit browser? | 20:59 |
| shadeslayer | if so, where is its source? | 20:59 |
| niala | and never asian people at irc meeting | 20:59 |
| sjokkis | there's chromium... | 20:59 |
| sjokkis | shadeslayer: http://code.google.com/chromium/ | 20:59 |
| CosmoHill | ah, the next Community Office meeting is NOT tomorrow, it's now the 2nd of November at 19:00 UTC | 20:59 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 20:59 |
| shadeslayer | not chromium :P | 20:59 |
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| shadeslayer | any other? | 21:00 |
| sjokkis | what? no | 21:00 |
| niala | chrome lol | 21:00 |
| sjokkis | of course not | 21:00 |
| sjokkis | well, yes. chrome | 21:00 |
| hena | i hate passwords... | 21:01 |
| sjokkis | the only other major browsers that use webkit are konqueror and safari | 21:01 |
| hena | every single time i try to log into some website i have to reset my password first | 21:01 |
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| * shadeslayer throws rekonq in that list as well | 21:01 | |
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| sjokkis | shadeslayer: i said major browsers | 21:02 |
| CosmoHill | hena: why not use the name of your computer | 21:02 |
| shadeslayer | sjokkis: rekonq is becoming more mainstream now | 21:02 |
| CosmoHill | eg mine would be powerbook | 21:02 |
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| sjokkis | it's not a major browser | 21:02 |
| sjokkis | neither is konqueror, for that matter | 21:02 |
| shadeslayer | yes :) | 21:02 |
| CosmoHill | Konqueror requires KDE libs which MeeGo doesn't have | 21:02 |
| shadeslayer | but more and more people are switching to rekonq | 21:03 |
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| shadeslayer | also, Kubuntu now ships rekonq as default browser... | 21:03 |
| sjokkis | aaaaaaand i'm done with this discussion | 21:03 |
| shadeslayer | so that way its gaining more market, but that doesnt mean it doesnt have bugs :P | 21:03 |
| niala | bouh kde is a gas factory | 21:04 |
| sjokkis | not even people using kde use the built in browser | 21:04 |
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| CosmoHill | there are two or three people working full time on Chrome support in MeeGo | 21:04 |
| shadeslayer | ok, but my question still remains, no other browser apart from chrome? | 21:05 |
| niala | firefox | 21:05 |
| auke | firefox is gone from trunk | 21:06 |
| niala | moblin-web-browser | 21:06 |
| shadeslayer | webkit preferably :) | 21:06 |
| niala | ah ok sorry | 21:06 |
| auke | chrome, fennec-qt | 21:06 |
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| djszapi | is there an rpm repository somewhere providing rpm packages for Meego just to check out what I should package for example if I liked to have kdelibs on meego in rpm ? | 21:07 |
| hena | ah, back to meego | 21:07 |
| niala | http://repo.meego.com/ | 21:07 |
| hena | i hate the default theme on meego netbook, but this still so beats the arse of ubuntu netbook | 21:08 |
| hena | CosmoHill: because i refuse to use the same password twise | 21:09 |
| hena | twice | 21:09 |
| hena | twise... | 21:09 |
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| CosmoHill | get a finger print reader :) | 21:10 |
| sjokkis | DawnFoster: you around? | 21:10 |
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| DawnFoster | sjokkis: yes | 21:12 |
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| sjokkis | DawnFoster: i'm having my hotel stay sponsored by the linux foundation. do i go about booking the roomm the same way as if i paid for it myself? | 21:15 |
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| DawnFoster | sjokkis: you'll need to contact the LF - angela should have sent you an email? | 21:19 |
| DawnFoster | I have absolutely nothing to do with the process of getting hotels booked, but Angela can help you out | 21:20 |
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| djszapi | seems kdelibs is not packaged for meego :( | 21:21 |
| auke | yes | 21:21 |
| auke | obviously | 21:21 |
| auke | that's what the community OBS will be fore | 21:21 |
| auke | for* | 21:21 |
| djszapi | nobody has not got the faintest idea when that will be opened. | 21:22 |
| djszapi | so KDE guys kinda..waiting. | 21:22 |
| leinir | Well, KDE guys and plenty of others... | 21:22 |
| auke | lbt is in charge, he should be able to give updates. | 21:22 |
| leinir | highly problematic | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | there's even an easy guide to setting up your own obs if you're in a hurry.. | 21:22 |
| djszapi | what do you mean ? | 21:23 |
| djszapi | to get an account ? | 21:23 |
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| niala | leinir: problematic for what? what do you need ? | 21:23 |
| djszapi | or provide a package that one can apply ? | 21:23 |
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| CosmoHill | djszapi: have you voted for the community OBS sub-domain? | 21:23 |
| djszapi | niala: problematic to do kde development on meego. | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS <- | 21:23 |
| niala | CosmoHill: a link to vote | 21:23 |
| niala | ? | 21:23 |
| djszapi | CosmoHill: pardon ? | 21:23 |
| CosmoHill | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1671 | 21:24 |
| leinir | niala: People perceive the community obs as something really important, and as it is missing, stuff is put on hold in a bunch of places | 21:24 |
| * CosmoHill gives niala a cookie for helping with the FAQ tomorrowe | 21:24 | |
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| djszapi | yeah, agreed with leinir, it is just an obstacle for the community unneccesarily | 21:25 |
| niala | djszapi: well you are rightmeego is not a full distri linux, for now and I believe they do not wan't do a linux distro like other | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | well, the world doesn't need another full distro, but for the purposes it's intended for, meego's quite nice | 21:25 |
| thiago_home | meego is specialised on a few objectives | 21:25 |
| djszapi | it is not new distro question. | 21:25 |
| thiago_home | objectives that other distros haven't focused on | 21:26 |
| sjokkis | DawnFoster: will do. thanks | 21:26 |
| niala | I m agree with OBS I can't wait ... :) | 21:26 |
| djszapi | it would not hurt anybody to provide an opportunity for kde devels. | 21:26 |
| niala | if kde does not fill my hard Disk 8G | 21:27 |
| djszapi | why would it fill ? | 21:27 |
| djszapi | are you serious ? :) | 21:27 |
| djszapi | hehe | 21:27 |
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| niala | kde have a lot of dependancies | 21:27 |
| leinir | djszapi: building kde takes a very considerable amount of space :) | 21:27 |
| thiago_home | niala: most of which are already in meego | 21:27 |
| thiago_home | the biggest of them is Qt :-) | 21:27 |
| djszapi | yepp | 21:27 |
| djszapi | thiago_home: 2mins for you :P | 21:28 |
| thiago_home | about 7 | 21:28 |
| leinir | niala: as does any other project where the NIH principle has been taken seriously ;) | 21:28 |
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| niala | so why not kde... but it's hard for 1G ram . maybe I must test kde. I haven't use it since 10 year lol | 21:29 |
| thiago_home | 1 GB is plenty | 21:29 |
| djszapi | niala: I do not understand why you are against it if you have not even used that... | 21:29 |
| leinir | KDE runs fine on 512 | 21:29 |
| leinir | djszapi: FUD is fun ;) | 21:29 |
| djszapi | :D | 21:29 |
| leinir | djszapi: why worry about facts? ;) | 21:29 |
| hena | efl ftw | 21:30 |
| djszapi | I do not worry :) | 21:30 |
| hena | but i guess i need to learn qt finally | 21:30 |
| djszapi | I am being happy, salalala :) | 21:30 |
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| * thiago_home hasn't seen rasterman in a while | 21:31 | |
| thiago_home | is he still working for samsung? | 21:31 |
| niala | djszapi: I have used it. but in last century kde was not so cool , especially it was heavy .maybe now it is more adapted with new computer... | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: yeah and seems to be building something on top of ubuntu it looks like | 21:31 |
| niala | but notebook..... i doubt | 21:31 |
| thiago_home | I wonder if he's worked on Bada | 21:32 |
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| Stskeeps | bada's architecture diagram is still full of win | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/images/stories/samsung_bada_arch.jpg | 21:32 |
| leinir | ... | 21:33 |
| leinir | yeaaah... ;) | 21:33 |
| * niala vote for a light WindowMaker-touch | 21:33 | |
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| thiago_home | looks like the meego archictecture, with less details | 21:34 |
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| * lpotter_ imagines blackbox on a phone... | 21:34 | |
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| thiago_home | how about twm with xterm? | 21:35 |
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| CosmoHill | chrome works in twm :) | 21:36 |
| thiago_home | oh, wait, wasn't exactly that what we had in early MeeGo Handset? :-) | 21:36 |
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| lpotter_ | chrome?! links! | 21:36 |
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| niala | telnet! | 21:37 |
| lpotter_ | telnet is the email client | 21:38 |
| lpotter_ | screen is a must | 21:38 |
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| ieatlint | telnet is a great email client | 21:39 |
| thiago_home | and IRC client too | 21:40 |
| hena | raster works for samsung now? didn't even know that :) | 21:40 |
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| hena | was still working for va since last time | 21:41 |
| ieatlint | yeah, apparently he's in seoul now even | 21:41 |
| thiago_home | I saw him last in 2009 | 21:42 |
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| ieatlint | he's in this channel often enough | 21:42 |
| thiago_home | really? /me doesn't remember him talking | 21:42 |
| ieatlint | was last in here this morning, quit at 13:11:08 UTC | 21:45 |
| ieatlint | ... morning for me :P | 21:45 |
| lpotter_ | he's stalking us | 21:45 |
| CosmoHill | lpotter_: well that is the whole point of facebook | 21:46 |
| lpotter_ | no, the whole point of facebook is to sell your personal data to advertisers | 21:47 |
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| ieatlint | actually, facebook doesn't sell your personal data | 21:47 |
| ieatlint | they do all their advertising in-house | 21:47 |
| ieatlint | there's lot to criticise facebook for, but that's one thing they haven't really done | 21:48 |
| lpotter_ | your right, its worse, they enable 3rd parties to sell your personal data... | 21:48 |
| ieatlint | there you go | 21:49 |
| hena | it's not worse | 21:49 |
| ieatlint | but they don't charge for that | 21:49 |
| hena | if you put something in the web, it's there | 21:49 |
| hena | your own choice | 21:49 |
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| ieatlint | hena: your argument ends when you put your data on facebook with a privacy policy and settings that keep it private, and then one day facebook decides to change their policies and release it to everyone | 21:49 |
| hena | once something hits the web, you cannot expect any control over it after | 21:50 |
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| hena | but you can't trust that | 21:50 |
| ieatlint | and suddenly anyone can see that you're part of a group called "gay people still in the closet" or "rough sex lovers", including your friends, parents, employer, etc | 21:50 |
| hena | such is the nature of the web | 21:50 |
| ieatlint | ... which happened in may | 21:50 |
| ieatlint | they also changed the policy on photo sharing | 21:50 |
| hena | once you put something in, it never comes out | 21:51 |
| ieatlint | and they don't make it clear that "friends" of yours can sign up to use a facebook app, and reveal your data, even though you never agreed to do anything with that app | 21:51 |
| hena | yeah, everyone should understand by default, that anything that is written to web is "public", it's too bad that it's not so, but that is the name of the game | 21:52 |
| ieatlint | they also fail to make the privacy settings and risks clear, with internal figures saying only half their user base has ever even looked at the privacy settings page | 21:52 |
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| hena | it's not just facebook, i would count storing gmail conversations as the same | 21:53 |
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| ieatlint | heh, i think you live in an unrealistic world if you consider that acceptable | 21:53 |
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| hena | i don't consider it acceptable, i consider a state | 21:54 |
| hena | it's too bad it is so, but you can't trust the web | 21:54 |
| ieatlint | a state that facebook set themselves for, and criticisms are wholly valid | 21:54 |
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| hena | well, it doesn't matter if it's facebook or myspace or twitter or whatever | 21:56 |
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| ieatlint | the issue is only partly that of people not realising all they share is by default public.. it's that fact that facebook has a history of changing their policy without warning, and revealing data that yesterday was private to anyone | 21:57 |
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| hena | any user that writes something to the web needs to understand that it's under the mercy of the people who have any access to it | 21:57 |
| ieatlint | and then after some outcry, allowing people to opt-in for some extremely confusing privacy settings | 21:58 |
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| ieatlint | which have no guarantees they won't simply disappear again | 21:58 |
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| hena | sure, facebook is cryptic in their policies and people are easily fooled by it | 21:58 |
| ieatlint | hena: that's an extremely libertarian attitude | 21:58 |
| hena | well, it is how it is | 21:58 |
| hena | if you trust someone over the web, your naive :) | 21:59 |
| jarkkom | these days they're apparently taking it quite seriously, especially after politicians got involved in whole privacy row | 21:59 |
| hena | someone you don't know | 21:59 |
| ieatlint | heh, it is how it is because a company is abusing their users | 21:59 |
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| ieatlint | jarkkom: hardly | 21:59 |
| hena | and you don't think google isn't abusing their users? | 21:59 |
| hena | they're just a bit more suddle | 22:00 |
| ieatlint | hena: i can only name one google privacy violation, and google acted quickly to solve it | 22:00 |
| ieatlint | and that was their fuckup when buzz was introduced | 22:00 |
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| jarkkom | google is in quite a bit of trouble as well in some EU countries | 22:00 |
| hena | it's not that they violate some privacy set, but they just use all the data of you on their own agendas | 22:01 |
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| ieatlint | yeah, but them using my data is no secret, nothing new, and doesn't expose me to the public | 22:01 |
| hena | well, that's in the hands of any google employee that has access to it | 22:02 |
| ieatlint | oh, and disclaimer: i know people who work at facebook and google, and as such may have biases based on my friend's own views | 22:02 |
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| ieatlint | nah, google's internal security doesn't simply let any employee go read your email | 22:02 |
| ieatlint | yes, there was a recent case with an employee caught reading gtalk conversations, and as i understand it, he's currently being prosecuted | 22:03 |
| hena | of course not, but some have the access, sure they have the ethics not to reveal it to the public, but they still could, facebook has standard users in the same position | 22:03 |
| hena | but i wouldn't store my bank codes in google cloud or whatever | 22:04 |
| ieatlint | well, i think google's policy in china, and their efforts to show you exactly who has been accessing your gmail account -- including giving you alerts when suspicious activity is seen, speaks far more to their commitment for a user's privacy than any other major company | 22:05 |
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| djszapi | where can I find the touchscreen driver for Meego ? | 22:21 |
| lcuk | ieatlint, hena is right and once its online that its out of your hands. | 22:21 |
| djszapi | tsc2005 I guess. | 22:22 |
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| djszapi | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-April/001735.html k kool ! | 22:22 |
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| ieatlint | lcuk: not arguing the risk of putting something online, but that doesn't absolve a company of responsibility | 22:24 |
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| thiago_home | djszapi: driver for what touchscreen? | 22:27 |
| djszapi | n900 | 22:27 |
| djszapi | I would like to get the ioctl entry since they normal inputs are under /dev/input/by-path/ on desktop, not in case this ts. | 22:27 |
| * thiago_home sees /dev/input/ts | 22:28 | |
| Stskeeps | if there's a udev rule for it | 22:29 |
| djszapi | thiago_home: I have got just maemo availability now, but it should be hardware 'feature', not software | 22:29 |
| djszapi | but the driver checking is the sure point :) | 22:30 |
| djszapi | what it creates .. | 22:30 |
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| djszapi | return spi_register_driver(&tsc2005_driver); | 22:32 |
| djszapi | mmh... | 22:32 |
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| djszapi | is there any kernel level related meego IRC channel ? | 22:48 |
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| CosmoHill | i think there is #meego-dev but I'm not to sure | 22:49 |
| djszapi | there is, but that is not kernel specific I gues. | 22:49 |
| djszapi | * guess, maybe it is worth to give it a try. | 22:49 |
| CosmoHill | it's development | 22:49 |
| djszapi | y | 22:49 |
| CosmoHill | I mean it's the development channel, so it's more specific than this general channel | 22:50 |
| djszapi | sure :) | 22:50 |
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| Rydekull | \o/ ive bought a wetab running meego | 23:06 |
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| CosmoHill | a what? | 23:07 |
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| Rydekull | http://wetab.mobi | 23:08 |
| CosmoHill | cool | 23:09 |
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| Rydekull | yeah. but, to be honest. i expected to be a bit disapointed, and i am. sooo... now im starting to dig inhow i can get less disappointed ;-P | 23:11 |
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| ubIx | EXIT | 23:15 |
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| djszapi | thiago_home: you were right with /dev/input/ts | 23:17 |
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| djszapi | thiago_home: http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-feedbackreactionmaps/blobs/master/src/mfsource/mfkernelthread.cpp#line35 | 23:19 |
| djszapi | meego touch framework does the same. | 23:19 |
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| stephg | auke: yt? | 23:40 |
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| citn | hi there | 23:43 |
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| CosmoHill | hello | 23:44 |
| citn | I'm having trouble logging in on build.meego.com. | 23:44 |
| citn | I did some reading on wiki.meego.com about the obs, but I don't know what account to use on that site. | 23:45 |
| citn | I tried to log in with my regular www.meego.com account but it doesn't work. Any ideas? :D | 23:45 |
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| auke | stephg: here | 23:45 |
| auke | stephg: you probably just saw my bugreply | 23:46 |
| stephg | thanks for the quick going-over of my not very useful numbers | 23:46 |
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| stephg | yesh | 23:46 |
| stephg | also want to apologise as I just spammed another of your bugs with an attachment due to firefox crash | 23:46 |
| auke | haha that's fine | 23:47 |
| auke | but your numbers are not super useful :) | 23:47 |
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| stephg | I know, but I figured something (anything) was a start | 23:47 |
| auke | as I posted in the bugreport, the only 2 numbers that mattered were small file size reads :) | 23:48 |
| auke | it's a start | 23:48 |
| stephg | the iozone defaults I guess are intended at people benchmarking arrays; and I did only run the defaults | 23:48 |
| stephg | is interesting though that the subjective performance of fennec with readahead = 0 was still good, I guess that merely means there's more going on elsewhere that is upsetting the performance | 23:49 |
| stephg | (of fennec I mean( | 23:49 |
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| auke | it's a balance | 23:51 |
| auke | readahead will help fennec's startup - it will reduce the time it spends waiting for blocks from disc | 23:51 |
| auke | but too much and the scheduler is just too busy | 23:52 |
| auke | plus we waste memory | 23:52 |
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| citn | Apparently the obs is closed ( http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615 ). Sorry for your time/ | 23:53 |
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| stephg | yeah | 23:54 |
| citn | I put a vote on it ;) | 23:56 |
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