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| Texrat | hello gang | 10:04 |
| sivang | hey Texrat | 10:04 |
| Texrat | hey sivang | 10:04 |
| Texrat | got my flight to Dublin squared away | 10:05 |
| Texrat | not much activity | 10:06 |
| sivang | Texrat: same here, yes | 10:06 |
| Texrat | wake up Europe! | 10:06 |
| sivang | heh | 10:06 |
| sivang | It is sunday | 10:07 |
| Texrat | good to hear sivang | 10:07 |
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| Texrat | yeah, I'm working... change migration conference call with India | 10:07 |
| Texrat | 7 or so hours of hell | 10:07 |
| sivang | Texrat: change migration? is this for BOSS with Intel? | 10:08 |
| Texrat | no, this is my real job | 10:08 |
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| Texrat | MeeGo is a hobby | 10:08 |
| dm8tbr | hyvää huomenta | 10:09 |
| sivang | Texrat: Been to Qt Dev Days, and got somewhat intense intro to QML, that was way cool | 10:09 |
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| Texrat | man, I wish I could go to one | 10:10 |
| Texrat | coming to a city a few hours from me, can't go | 10:10 |
| sivang | Texrat: San Fransisco right? | 10:10 |
| Texrat | no, I live near Dallas, and it's coming to Austin this week | 10:10 |
| Texrat | Dallas high tech is fading, so few events now | 10:11 |
| sivang | Texrat: ah I see, well, next time perhaps? there were a couple of quite deep sessions which was nice to see how they manage to cater for both beginners and seasoned at once. | 10:11 |
| Texrat | we'll see | 10:11 |
| sivang | Texrat: and material should be available onine soon. | 10:12 |
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| Texrat | oh sivang, congratulations on also getting Forum Nokia Champion | 10:22 |
| Texrat | so sivang: do you get to keep the N8 they hand out at QT dev event? | 10:24 |
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| thiago_home | has anyone returned their N900s from last year? | 10:32 |
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| Texrat | hey thiago_home | 10:38 |
| Texrat | I think some did return their N900s | 10:38 |
| Texrat | I was told I could keep mine | 10:38 |
| thiago_home | we have some N00 in the office with those plastic covers still | 10:39 |
| thiago_home | they serve a purpose | 10:39 |
| Texrat | really? | 10:39 |
| Texrat | I have an N00 but it's an N810 ;) | 10:39 |
| Texrat | gift from my work on the N800 program | 10:40 |
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| thiago_home | I just hope I can keep my current proto | 10:48 |
| thiago_home | I'm trying to figure out how long this battery lasts | 10:49 |
| Texrat | thiago_home I'm surprised to only see 2 lightning talks submitted so far | 10:50 |
| Texrat | I'm almost done with mine ;) | 10:50 |
| sivang | Texrat: I did not get an N8 at dev days, only ambassadors and people who answered right at crap/fact get those :) | 10:50 |
| sivang | Texrat: I am FN champion since feb last year | 10:50 |
| Texrat | bummer sivang | 10:50 |
| Texrat | so you got renewed, cool sivang | 10:50 |
| Texrat | it only took me 4+ years to get nominated :P | 10:50 |
| Texrat | I really owe achipa | 10:51 |
| Texrat | he said FN wanted more Americans :D | 10:51 |
| Texrat | so I'm a protected minority | 10:52 |
| sivang | Texrat: yeah, I was quite lucky. Not sure how it happened, but someone either nominated me and reviewed my ongoing FOSS work which was very nice and considerate | 10:52 |
| sivang | Texrat: hehe | 10:52 |
| Texrat | did you order the gift phone yet? | 10:52 |
| Texrat | I went for N8... wonder when they ship | 10:52 |
| thiago_home | Texrat: we've only just opened the lightening talks | 10:53 |
| Texrat | thiago_home I know, but several people had been askign for a while now | 10:53 |
| Texrat | I figured they would jump into the wiki like I did | 10:54 |
| thiago_home | mail them back :-) | 10:54 |
| Texrat | wait until you guys see mine :D | 10:54 |
| * thiago_home expects a good 5-minute talk from everyone | 10:54 | |
| Texrat | mine will rock | 10:54 |
| thiago_home | the one I liked the most was at GCDS about what not to do in your UI | 10:54 |
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| sivang | Texrat: I got 1 year membership since last feb, and back then there was no N8 to order, either way I prefer linux phones :) | 10:55 |
| Texrat | for Maemo Summit I was asked at last minute to turn my 20 min talk to 5... a disaster | 10:55 |
| sivang | Texrat: so I ordered an N900 | 10:55 |
| Texrat | ah, cool sivang | 10:55 |
| sivang | Texrat: I hope to be elected for a second period :) | 10:55 |
| Texrat | sivang I'm sure you will | 10:56 |
| sivang | FN championship is highly educational and motivating | 10:56 |
| thiago_home | the N8 is an ARMv6 device. I wonder if we're going to see a MeeGo ARMv6 build pop up. :) | 10:56 |
| Texrat | yes, and I'm hoping the logo on my resume and busienss cards will pay off :D | 10:56 |
| Texrat | I need a new job badly! :O | 10:56 |
| Texrat | thiago_home someone will do it! | 10:56 |
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| thiago_home | Texrat: did you join DD MUC? Or coming to SF? | 10:57 |
| Texrat | thiago_home I can't come to SF | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: well, someone had handset ux on top of broadcom gfx.. so there's hope | 10:57 |
| thiago_home | Stskeeps: that's just graphics. The problem is the ARM core. | 10:57 |
| Texrat | can't afford trip and MeeGo Conf will use rest of my vacation days | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: yeah, and with armv5 userland.. | 10:57 |
| thiago_home | there | 10:57 |
| Texrat | hey again Stskeeps | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | moo | 10:58 |
| Texrat | hoo | 10:58 |
| thiago_home | Texrat: no vacation days left? | 10:58 |
| Texrat | thiago_home not after MeeGo conf | 10:58 |
| thiago_home | and before? | 10:58 |
| Texrat | only 2 weeks per year at current employer | 10:58 |
| thiago_home | ah | 10:58 |
| Texrat | I used up a week earlier, at Akademy 2010 | 10:58 |
| Texrat | worth it | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | oh dear, i need to make business cards | 10:59 |
| dm8tbr | yep, it was nice :) | 10:59 |
| Texrat | it was awesome | 10:59 |
| Texrat | I had the best damn time | 10:59 |
| * thiago_home needs to check on his business cards supply in the office | 10:59 | |
| Stskeeps | i have a meego role and that's my job, how on earth do i write that? :P | 10:59 |
| thiago_home | the half of the 200 batch I kept at home is over | 10:59 |
| Texrat | I make custom cards for every event | 10:59 |
| * dm8tbr has 200g/m² paper for exactly that reason :) | 10:59 | |
| Texrat | Stskeeps = lucky bastard | 10:59 |
| Texrat | oh and congrats Stskeeps for Yet Another Prestigious Title | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | Texrat: well, it may look like that but wait until you see what i have to deal with :P | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | Texrat: and thanks | 11:00 |
| Texrat | dude I would so trade you | 11:01 |
| Texrat | I am workign as we speak, and hate it | 11:01 |
| Texrat | 7 hours + on a conference call... | 11:01 |
| Texrat | I am losing brain cells by the second | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | i start losing braincells after like 1 1/2 hours | 11:01 |
| Texrat | slow poke | 11:01 |
| Texrat | hey Stskeeps: email me some humorous photos of you for my lightning talk | 11:04 |
| Texrat | texrat@ovi.com | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | Texrat: just find my video from my first ever Mer talk and that should be enough.. | 11:04 |
| Texrat | timoph and revdkathy sent me some great ones | 11:04 |
| Texrat | feh, video | 11:04 |
| Texrat | then I have to edit | 11:04 |
| Texrat | just send a photo, I'll make you a star | 11:05 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/fb.JPG | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:06 |
| Texrat | got my talk almost done. Worked for a few hours on it today so thiago_home better vote for it | 11:06 |
| sivang | thiago_home: I hope we do see abuild, I already fantisized about it 2 months ago on the MLs | 11:06 |
| Texrat | awesome Stskeeps | 11:06 |
| sivang | thiago_home: I'm also in your same desperate need for a new j :) | 11:06 |
| sivang | oop | 11:07 |
| sivang | oops | 11:07 |
| sivang | Texrat: ^^^^^^ | 11:07 |
| * thiago_home has a j middlename | 11:07 | |
| sivang | thiago_home: how was flight back? | 11:07 |
| Texrat | that will go well with timoph's rubber glove hat picture | 11:07 |
| thiago_home | sivang: slept nicely most of the way | 11:07 |
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| thiago_home | was quite tired after the celebrations on Wednesday | 11:07 |
| sivang | thiago_home: ah the Nokia only event afterwards? | 11:07 |
| Texrat | sivang what do you do now? | 11:08 |
| thiago_home | yes | 11:08 |
| thiago_home | we went out for dinner | 11:08 |
| thiago_home | and beer | 11:08 |
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| sivang | thiago_home: beer again? :) | 11:09 |
| sivang | thiago_home: actually the beer was the best part, | 11:09 |
| sivang | thiago_home: the food was rather bad for me. | 11:09 |
| sivang | thiago_home: in the conf's hotel that is, I should write in the feedback there should be more options for people who can't eat so fatty foods :) | 11:10 |
| johnx | option: I'll eat their food for them :> | 11:11 |
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| Myrtti | Texrat: ohai | 11:11 |
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| Texrat | Myrtti babeeee | 11:12 |
| Texrat | you gonan be at MeeGo Conference Myrtti? | 11:12 |
| Myrtti | nope... | 11:13 |
| Texrat | awww | 11:13 |
| Texrat | Duncan? | 11:13 |
| Myrtti | even more unlikely | 11:13 |
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| Myrtti | meh Sunday | 11:19 |
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| sivang | Myrtti: sunday is nice, when you are in a country where sunday is a weekend :) | 11:29 |
| johnx | gah. already sunday here. still feels like saturday | 11:31 |
| Myrtti | sivang: sure... apart from when theres absolutely nothing to do | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | wait, it's weekend? | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:33 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: hehe | 11:33 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: dude you should get some help | 11:34 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: which I would have offered had there been a platform hacking guide :-) | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | next week is documentation.. | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:34 |
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| Myrtti | right, off to entertain mum. tata | 11:49 |
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| ^Ran | hello | 11:53 |
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| ^Ran | maybe anyone restored deleted meego btrfs partition? | 11:54 |
| Texrat | almost 4 am Texas time and man am I sleepy! | 11:57 |
| stephg | Almost 10am London time and I'm sleepy ;) | 11:58 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: sounds great. | 12:09 |
| pupnik | less filling! | 12:11 |
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| timoph | Texrat: 12:22 pm in Finland and I'm sleepy too :) | 12:23 |
| Texrat | hey timoph | 12:23 |
| timoph | the decided to wake me up at 5am (again) | 12:23 |
| Texrat | love that glove hat | 12:23 |
| timoph | cat | 12:23 |
| timoph | :) | 12:23 |
| Texrat | hope there was no brain damage | 12:24 |
| timoph | took some effort to get it stretched to my head | 12:24 |
| timoph | those gloves were actually too small for my hands :) | 12:25 |
| sivang | timoph: how cold is it already? snowing/raining? | 12:25 |
| timoph | to for some reason it felt like a good idea to wear one as a hat | 12:25 |
| timoph | 4 degrees currently, no snow yet in Tampere | 12:26 |
| timoph | it snowed a bit a few days back | 12:26 |
| sivang | ah that's nice | 12:26 |
| sivang | :) | 12:26 |
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| sivang | timoph: were you in dev days btw? | 12:27 |
| timoph | nope | 12:27 |
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| timoph | too busy working or something :) | 12:27 |
| sivang | heh | 12:27 |
| timoph | that 4 degrees means 39 degrees for fahrenheit people | 12:28 |
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| sivang | timoph: I'm with centigrades so no problem for me :) | 12:29 |
| timoph | :) | 12:29 |
| johnx | timoph, don't do conversion for them, otherwise they'll never learn :P | 12:29 |
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| sivang | timoph: and people comlained Munich was cold :) | 12:30 |
| sivang | timoph: I told them 10c is summer :) | 12:30 |
| timoph | I didn't. Ubuntu did :) (changed the weather widget's setting) | 12:30 |
| timoph | yep. Really waiting for those -30 winter days | 12:31 |
| johnx | if you wait for the -40 days you won't have to do the C-to-F conversion for people ;) (that's IIRC) | 12:32 |
| timoph | :) | 12:32 |
| sivang | timoph: are you really waiting for those days? | 12:34 |
| timoph | not really | 12:35 |
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| timoph | those days are usually very pretty but it's painfull to go out | 12:36 |
| markey | sivang: hey dude :) | 12:37 |
| markey | had a good trip home? | 12:37 |
| timoph | anyone seen the movie 'the american'? any good? | 12:38 |
| * timoph is thinking of going to the movies today | 12:39 | |
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| sivang | markey: hey! | 12:46 |
| sivang | markey: I did, yes, it was quite good and I've mostly recovered already. | 12:47 |
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| CosmoHill | markey: what country are you in? | 12:49 |
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| markey | CosmoHill: living in Switzerland (but I am German) | 12:49 |
| CosmoHill | what time is it there? | 12:49 |
| sivang | markey: seen the sprint outcome on the techbase wiki already? I failed logging in the techbase page, /me retries | 12:50 |
| markey | CosmoHill: 11:52 | 12:52 |
| markey | sivang: no, not yet, but I should really do that ASAP | 12:52 |
| CosmoHill | you could wait 8 mins and call it lunch :p | 12:52 |
| sivang | markey: same as here | 12:52 |
| sivang | markey: and send your outcome and stuff to Dan quickly | 12:52 |
| sivang | markey: he's waiting for this for the dot article | 12:52 |
| markey | iKnow | 12:53 |
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| niala | hi, have a nice and cold day. | 13:46 |
| djszapi | in Finland ? | 13:53 |
| djszapi | or in Brazil :) | 13:54 |
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| thiago_home | given that IP, he's in France | 13:56 |
| arfoll | has anyone found any of the source code used by the WeTab? 4titoo or whatever they are called seem to be clearly violating the GPL and not caring about it... | 14:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | arfoll: have you bought one? | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | arfoll: what is missing? | 14:15 |
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| arfoll | timeless_mbp, no but everything | 14:17 |
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| arfoll | there are quite a few posts on the german community forum complaining | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | arfoll: at least the meego 1.0 base should be == meego 1.0 | 14:18 |
| arfoll | they don't even have their kernel sources anywhere | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | ah, kernel | 14:18 |
| arfoll | Stskeeps, their kernel is kernel-wetab so I bet they have their own patches in their for example | 14:18 |
| thiago_home | arfoll: you don't get to ask for the sources unless you buy the device | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 14:19 |
| timeless_mbp | isn't gpl something which just requires an offer letter to people instead of a permanent online repository? | 14:19 |
| thiago_home | for all you know, the manual has a URL where you can download everything | 14:19 |
| pupnik | hows the battery life on that WeTab turning-out? | 14:19 |
| arfoll | thiago_home, GPL sources are available to all | 14:19 |
| thiago_home | no | 14:19 |
| Chani | arfoll: no | 14:19 |
| Chani | arfoll: what thiago_home says is correct. | 14:19 |
| thiago_home | GPL sources must be made available to all who receive GPL binaries | 14:19 |
| arfoll | Chani, and I can download their binaries | 14:20 |
| Chani | if you offer someone the binary, *then* you must also offer them the source. | 14:20 |
| arfoll | Chani, therefore they must give me their sources | 14:20 |
| timeless_mbp | Chani: no | 14:20 |
| thiago_home | can you? are you sure the sources aren't right next to it? | 14:20 |
| timeless_mbp | only if they take the binary | 14:20 |
| Chani | arfoll: you can? | 14:20 |
| timeless_mbp | if you offer me a binary and i don't take it from you | 14:20 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not entitled to your sources | 14:20 |
| arfoll | Chani, yes here - http://update.tiitoo.com/stable/1.0/system/ | 14:20 |
| Chani | huh | 14:22 |
| thiago_home | ok, then it sounds like the SRPMS are missing | 14:22 |
| thiago_home | have you mailed them asking? | 14:22 |
| timeless_mbp | this is a great web page: http://tiitoo.com/ | 14:22 |
| Chani | well, that's a repo... no html anywhere... odd that I don't see any -source packages but I don't know rpm very well | 14:22 |
| arfoll | thiago_home, yes I have no reply, and on the german community forums people have been asking for a while | 14:23 |
| arfoll | I doubt i'm the first | 14:23 |
| Chani | arfoll: yeah, that sounds like a gpl issue then. :/ | 14:23 |
| thiago_home | then they need to reply | 14:23 |
| arfoll | I posted on meego-dev hoping to incite a reply | 14:24 |
| arfoll | thiago_home, you said their manual had a page to download their sources? | 14:24 |
| thiago_home | no | 14:24 |
| thiago_home | I said "for all you know, it might have" | 14:24 |
| thiago_home | I don't have the manual to confirm | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | or a written offer | 14:25 |
| arfoll | ah i know it doesn't I've been speaking to a guy that has a wetab, it may have a written offer | 14:25 |
| Robot101 | so why hasn't someone taken the sources and put them online immediately? :) | 14:25 |
| thiago_home | but 4tiitoo needs to reply to people who have the offer if that's the case | 14:26 |
| thiago_home | more than likely they're swamped in emails and work and don't know what to do | 14:26 |
| arfoll | Robot101, i'm guessing they haven't given them | 14:26 |
| timeless_mbp | Robot101: that requires resources | 14:27 |
| timeless_mbp | != 0 $$ | 14:27 |
| timeless_mbp | to be fair, and to be on topic for #meego, someone should ensure that meego's wiki has a page that documents how to set up a repository | 14:27 |
| arfoll | thiago_home, if you're taking GPL code you should have the ressources to redistribute the sources | 14:27 |
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| thiago_home | arfoll: yep | 14:27 |
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| arfoll | no ressources is no excuse. And this is on topic | 14:28 |
| timeless_mbp | and ensure that it highlights that it's virtually necessary to provide src.rpm files in the repository to satisfy license requirements w/o undo burden/headaches | 14:28 |
| timeless_mbp | arfoll: that was to Robot101 | 14:28 |
| timeless_mbp | different thread | 14:28 |
| timeless_mbp | if i actually were to get the sources, i'm not obligated to share them | 14:28 |
| arfoll | timeless_mbp, ah fair enough - and yes they have to at least provide all sources + patches + spec which basically means a src.rpm | 14:28 |
| timeless_mbp | and i might choose not to because it would cost *me* money to host them | 14:28 |
| Robot101 | not obligated no, but most people who care about gpl violations a) do want to share them, and b) have a server to do so | 14:29 |
| timeless_mbp | Robot101: i do things because they amuse me :) | 14:29 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd be likely to get a source disk just to have it... | 14:29 |
| timeless_mbp | but yeah, most people wouldn't | 14:29 |
| Robot101 | not everyone is so pointlessly contrary :P | 14:29 |
| arfoll | either way it doesnt bode well to have the first meego tablet not sharing their sources | 14:30 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, complaining about wetab or something else is imo /slightly/ offtopic for #meego. making it ontopic involves figuring out how it relates to <meego.com>, which is probably in the form of the wiki page i suggest above | 14:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | … sure, complain once, but after that, move on, or be constructive on topic | 14:31 |
| thiago_home | well, the wetab is a meego device, so it's on-topic | 14:31 |
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| thiago_home | but I agree: move on | 14:31 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago_home: well, it's not compliant and doesn't mention meego anywhere ;) | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | (using trademark) | 14:31 |
| thiago_home | because there is no compliancy for tablets yet | 14:32 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 14:32 |
| timeless_mbp | "oops" | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | even for meego core :) | 14:32 |
| arfoll | didn't realise you guys didn't care about people ripping off the meego project | 14:32 |
| timeless_mbp | but seriously, is there a page that talks about how to set up a repo? | 14:32 |
| thiago_home | but everyone knows it's a meego device | 14:32 |
| timeless_mbp | arfoll: it's too early to worry about that | 14:32 |
| timeless_mbp | 1. get your ducks in order | 14:33 |
| arfoll | timeless_mbp, it's an RPM repo they are loads of explanations on the web | 14:33 |
| timeless_mbp | 2. worry about everyone else | 14:33 |
| timeless_mbp | arfoll: terrible argument | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | arfoll: well, this is up to LF really - we're just mere codrs | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | arfoll: by that logic, we shouldn't have packaging guidelines | 14:34 |
| timeless_mbp | or source repositories at all | 14:34 |
| timeless_mbp | … Stskeeps: please say we have packaging guidelines (or at least plans for...) | 14:34 |
| arfoll | timeless_mbp, well OBS makes RPM repos automtically | 14:34 |
| thiago_home | so how do you configure OBS to produce the SRPMS and publish them? | 14:34 |
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| Stskeeps | it does automatically | 14:36 |
| arfoll | thiago_home, it does so by default | 14:36 |
| timeless_mbp | http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a_Repository_working_group | 14:36 |
| timeless_mbp | what's the status of that? | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: Packaging/Guidelines on wiki/ | 14:36 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: oh good | 14:37 |
| timeless_mbp | right… so what's the status of that Proposal? | 14:41 |
| timeless_mbp | and in general, how does one find the status of an arbitrary proposal w/o asking 20 people? | 14:41 |
| timeless_mbp | (not using an issue tracker for such things is lame) | 14:41 |
| thiago_home | ask the contact person | 14:41 |
| thiago_home | the wiki should have that | 14:42 |
| timeless_mbp | http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a_Debian_Packaging_working_group has a status | 14:43 |
| timeless_mbp | the other one does not | 14:43 |
| TermanaN900 | Ask lbt the status, the wiki says he is one of the representatives of the proposal | 14:43 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd kinda like to change how we do proposals so that the wiki page is renamed to: | 14:47 |
| timeless_mbp | "Foo_working_group (Proposal)" | 14:47 |
| timeless_mbp | "Foo_working_group (Accepted)" | 14:47 |
| timeless_mbp | "Foo_working_group (Rejected)" | 14:47 |
| timeless_mbp | that way i can easily figure out what a working group's status is w/o having to try to read randomly formatted proposals | 14:48 |
| Robot101 | a wiki template could draw a consistent box on each page, and generate index pages of all proposals in certain statuses | 14:48 |
| timeless_mbp | of note: | 14:49 |
| timeless_mbp | http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_Community_Application_Support | 14:49 |
| timeless_mbp | #REDIRECT Community Application Support ... | 14:49 |
| timeless_mbp | http://wiki.meego.com/Licensing_Proposal | 14:49 |
| timeless_mbp | so we aren't really consistent about where we stick 'Proposal' | 14:49 |
| timeless_mbp | but at least one group just removed 'Proposal for' from the beginning when they were approved | 14:50 |
| timeless_mbp | it'd be easier on readers if it was removed from the end | 14:50 |
| timeless_mbp | CAS (Proposal) => CAS | 14:50 |
| Robot101 | or that the pages didn't rename and had a box saying MeeGo Working Group, Status: Proposal | Active | Rejected | 14:51 |
| timeless_mbp | also fine | 14:52 |
| timeless_mbp | (might as well support Discontinued/Retired/Disbanded however you want to call it) | 14:52 |
| timeless_mbp | if we do it your way, does someone have to make a proposal, or can you just do it? | 14:53 |
| timeless_mbp | and would you be willing to do the work | 14:53 |
| * timeless_mbp hates wikis | 14:53 | |
| Robot101 | I'm not a big wiki gardener - w00t_ did some nice stuff on the collabora wiki though | 14:53 |
| timeless_mbp | the other thing that would be nice is to include something which shows <Creation> and <Last non minor update> | 14:53 |
| thiago_home | Compare And Swap? | 14:53 |
| timeless_mbp | e.g. http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Two_weeks_delay_proposal | 14:53 |
| timeless_mbp | Community Application Support | 14:53 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry, see 5 lines back | 14:54 |
| timeless_mbp | … i can't figure out when that proposal was made | 14:54 |
| timeless_mbp | and i shouldn't have to click a link to find out | 14:54 |
| thiago_home | Column Address Strobe? | 14:54 |
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| sgo11 | hi, just trying meego liveusb on netbook. in "network" UI, I can not find wireless connection setup. how to enable it? do I need to install any drivers? if so, how? thanks. | 15:47 |
| pupnik_ | what wireless card/chipset do you have? | 15:48 |
| pupnik_ | you could check first to see if the card is recognized and an appropriate kernel module is loaded | 15:49 |
| pupnik_ | lsmod | 15:49 |
| niala | is you netcard supported | 15:49 |
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| sgo11 | sorry. I don't really know which wireless card I am using. how to open a terminal first? thanks. | 15:50 |
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| sgo11 | saw it. | 15:51 |
| niala | application-panel-->... | 15:51 |
| sgo11 | this is the first time I try meego. I thought meego was QT based. but why did I see all gnome apps? gnome terminal, gedit etc.... weird. | 15:52 |
| niala | it's the 'begining' not reinvented the wheel | 15:55 |
| pupnik_ | sgo11: i usually look at /var/log/syslog and look for something like | 15:56 |
| pupnik_ | Oct 14 14:14:35 lenovy kernel: iwlagn: Intel(R) Wireless WiFi Link AGN driver for Linux, 1.3.27ks | 15:56 |
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| sgo11 | any IRC client in meego? so that I can paste something here. thanks. | 16:00 |
| niala | pigdin or empathy | 16:00 |
| rittk | sgo11: QT == QuickTime | 16:01 |
| niala | Qt != QT | 16:02 |
| rittk | indeed | 16:03 |
| rittk | QuickTime based meego is a mith | 16:03 |
| niala | sgo11, soory I can't help you for your wifi | 16:03 |
| sgo11 | Sorry, I mean Qt. | 16:04 |
| smithna | I've been using zypper to update packages out of the daily repo -- will this match *release* package configurations? ie: if a program is dropped for another, how do I reflect that change in my system? | 16:04 |
| niala | sgo11, may be if you post me your netbook :p | 16:04 |
| sgo11 | niala, I saw empathy. thanks. | 16:04 |
| sgo11 | :) | 16:04 |
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| niala | sgo11, try to submit a bug to http://bugs.meego.com/ | 16:06 |
| sgo11 | niala, thanks. I am learning how to use empathy IRC... | 16:08 |
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| sgo11 | pupnik_, I don't have syslog file... | 16:11 |
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| sgo11 | what is the default root password? | 16:12 |
| niala | meego | 16:12 |
| sgo11 | yeah, works. :) | 16:12 |
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| pupnik_ | sorry sgo11 - i'm too used to the debian way to give detailed help | 16:17 |
| sgo11 | I am not sure how to use empathy IRC... I think I have broadcom wireless card. | 16:18 |
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| sgo11 | pupnik_, no worries. I found this link: http://tips.tectip.info/how-to-set-up-the-broadcom-wifi-under-meego-1-0/ | 16:19 |
| niala | sgo11, look at the meego forum | 16:19 |
| niala | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=238 | 16:20 |
| niala | sgo11, | 16:20 |
| sgo11 | niala, thanks a lot. Let me see.. | 16:21 |
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| sgo11 | yum or zypper ? which is preferred for meego? | 16:24 |
| djszapi | packagekit | 16:25 |
| shadeslayer | hehe | 16:26 |
| shadeslayer | i prefer apt-get along with alien :P | 16:26 |
| niala | ./configure ; make; make install | 16:27 |
| djszapi | niala: that is not OK... | 16:27 |
| djszapi | python packages and so on... | 16:27 |
| sgo11 | djszapi, how to launch packagekit? | 16:28 |
| djszapi | and I do not see the point to build from source if that is not needed. | 16:28 |
| niala | ah | 16:28 |
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| djszapi | sgo11: install and run | 16:29 |
| niala | put the tape and type 'run "program" ' | 16:31 |
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| sgo11 | djszapi, sorry, I don't get it. I just used zypper. I am not sure how to launch packagekit in meego. | 16:31 |
| niala | sorry it was for the amstrad cpc464 :) | 16:31 |
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| niala | sgo11, zypper i's nice, in fact for now yum or zypper is equal | 16:32 |
| djszapi | sgo11: you do not get how to install and run an application ? | 16:33 |
| sgo11 | niala, thanks. | 16:33 |
| rittk | packagekit is very bad there. use zypper | 16:34 |
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| CosmoHill | sgo11: zypper | 16:36 |
| CosmoHill | yum will not be in Meego 1.2 | 16:37 |
| sgo11 | djszapi, ok, just found zypper and yum are both supported in meego. I was just asking which is better supported. you answered packagekit. I thought packagekit was the recommended way. but I don't know how to launch it. that's all. anyway. | 16:37 |
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| djszapi | zypper will be the solution later. | 16:38 |
| djszapi | you can find yum for now, but it will not be the same in the future. | 16:38 |
| djszapi | so zypper is preferred, but I still prefer GUI on mobile phone... | 16:39 |
| djszapi | exactly, CosmoHill is right :) | 16:39 |
| CosmoHill | yay :) | 16:39 |
| djszapi | but I still do not understand why Meego architecture involves PackageKit. | 16:40 |
| djszapi | I thought meegon started writing an own qtcore/gui, whatever based content project to collect the backends, PackageKit is pure C. | 16:40 |
| djszapi | and I am not sure about dbus and glib dependencies whether they are needed. There are other IPC ways. | 16:41 |
| smithna | so talking zypper... Will "zypper --dist-upgrade" remove packages from ones system that are no longer part of the new distro? | 16:41 |
| CosmoHill | you mean like "yum"? | 16:41 |
| CosmoHill | smithna: i think the best place to check would be the manual page | 16:42 |
| djszapi | smithna: this question is not related to Meego imo | 16:42 |
| djszapi | it is a general package management policy what to do with the installed packages if the updated repository/database does not contain that package with that name. | 16:43 |
| djszapi | I think it is more like zypper internal. | 16:43 |
| smithna | djszapi: it's what meego uses... And I didn't quite get the answer out of the man pages | 16:44 |
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| Stskeeps | zypper, packagekit on top as an abstraction | 16:44 |
| niala | it's rpm | 16:45 |
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| djszapi | rpm is just a lib, zypper decides what to use and how. | 16:45 |
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| niala | what is 'rpm -ivh' not the minimal ? | 16:46 |
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| niala | rpm is not the 'base' ? | 16:47 |
| smithna | btw: what other distro uses zypper? I hadn't heard of it until I started playing with meego | 16:47 |
| djszapi | opensuse ? | 16:47 |
| djszapi | dunno | 16:47 |
| niala | opensuse smithna | 16:47 |
| RST38h | Like... Suse? :) | 16:47 |
| * smithna guesses he missed out playing with Suse | 16:47 | |
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| djszapi | what have moblin used, pure rpm ? | 16:51 |
| djszapi | I am just trying to figure out why zypper is supported on Meego arch. | 16:51 |
| niala | if I remember correctly moblin use yum | 16:52 |
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| djszapi | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-August/004552.html | 16:53 |
| CosmoHill | moblin used yum | 16:54 |
| CosmoHill | ah niala beat me to the answer | 16:54 |
| niala | yep that's not frequent | 16:55 |
| djszapi | what was the decision base for zypper ? | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | its fast, c++, yum is python and slow | 17:02 |
| * RST38h once again wonders if Meego will break away from RedHat/SuSe habit of shipping multiple tools to do the same job | 17:02 | |
| Termana | It's also not as good as yum at resolving conflicts | 17:03 |
| Termana | RST38h, yum isn't shipped | 17:03 |
| RST38h | Termana: Good! | 17:04 |
| RST38h | Termana: I hope yast/yast2/yastN isn't shipped either? | 17:04 |
| Termana | RST38h, hmm, I don't think so | 17:05 |
| CosmoHill | RST38h: we like to give you a choice :) | 17:05 |
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| RST38h | Packagekit isn't shipped either? | 17:05 |
| sgo11 | djszapi, CosmoHill, Thanks for the answer. I was away. | 17:05 |
| RST38h | CosmoHill: I (personally) do not want choice. I want something that works and does not take toomuch resources | 17:06 |
| sgo11 | opensuse is using zypper as command line tool and yast as GUI tool. I am using openSuSE and xchat now. | 17:06 |
| CosmoHill | doesn't yast have a command line interface too? | 17:07 |
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| djszapi | sgo11: yw :) | 17:07 |
| sgo11 | CosmoHill, yast2 is GUI interface. yast is command line interface. zypper is command line tool with arguments. sorry about my poor english. I think yast doesn't accept arguments, it's a text interface wizard. | 17:08 |
| RST38h | Well, the first yast has been curses-based | 17:09 |
| CosmoHill | sgo11: you're english is fine | 17:09 |
| RST38h | or something that looked like curses anyway | 17:09 |
| sgo11 | CosmoHill, ok. :) | 17:09 |
| RST38h | But, in short, independently on how many sys management packages areout there, only one should be present in the OS | 17:10 |
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| RST38h | If multiple such tools are present, your OS becomes...well...a RedHat | 17:10 |
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| RST38h | (and yes, I especially love it how you can kill yum in Centos by upgrading Python :)) | 17:11 |
| CosmoHill | I think the main reason for keeping yum was because it was part of mobin so people are used to it | 17:11 |
| CosmoHill | you want change but if you do to much as once you just end up with a lot of confused faces | 17:11 |
| CosmoHill | ah...crap | 17:12 |
| CosmoHill | that python upgrade I did in CentOS might explain some of the errors I'm having | 17:12 |
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| berndhs | packagekit doesn't work very well if your cases is the least bit a-typical | 17:15 |
| rittk | hmm...cann't build the broadcom wifi driver on meego 1.1.80 | 17:21 |
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| rittk | patches for >2.6.33 were needed | 17:32 |
| rittk | stupid linus | 17:32 |
| rittk | hate his `break everything in every minor version` policy | 17:35 |
| niala | get your own kernel | 17:36 |
| Termana | niala, lol | 17:37 |
| niala | if your wifi is recognized in netx kernel | 17:38 |
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| niala | Termana, yes my sentence was confusing :) | 17:40 |
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| smithna | I'm trying to run meego-headset-* (music,video,pictures) with the ivi base (those packages have been added to the repo for ivi) -- but the best I can get is a black screen that is off-centered (for picture/video). Music version just segfaults. I didn't see any bugs for this, so I am guessing I messed something up | 18:01 |
| smithna | see here for example output (all apps give the same types of errors): http://pastebin.com/pgdt0sns | 18:03 |
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| thiago_home | sounds like installation problem | 18:19 |
| thiago_home | it's not finding the theme files | 18:19 |
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| Stskeeps | smithna: got a gdb backtrace of the problem? | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | or .xsession-errors output | 18:24 |
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| smithna | Stskeeps: I can get both | 18:29 |
| * smithna runs out to car to get info | 18:29 | |
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| * thiago_home ponders on the words "debugging one's car" | 18:31 | |
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| Stskeeps | thiago_home: qt everywhere | 18:32 |
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| thiago_home | yeah | 18:35 |
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| * thiago_home puts on his list to ask for a "device" to debug on now | 18:36 | |
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| thiago_home | can we run them on BMWs? Or Mercedes? | 18:36 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago_home: i think bmw was one of the genivi members but i might be wrohng | 18:38 |
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| thiago_home | I think dirk mentioned the series 7 having meego soon during his presentation at DD-MUC | 18:40 |
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| CosmoHill | s/noob/nom/ | 18:48 |
| lcuk | :D CosmoHill | 18:49 |
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| CosmoHill | ah ha | 18:50 |
| CosmoHill | the answer was so obvious I missed it >.< | 18:50 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, I was asking for wine advice o_O | 18:51 |
| CosmoHill | you should have come over last night, you could have asked my parents wine dealer | 18:51 |
| lcuk | heh | 18:51 |
| * lcuk keeps forgetting, where in country are you? | 18:51 | |
| lcuk | tracy and luke and jacob had a go of my helicopter last night. | 18:51 |
| RST38h | is it still in one piece? | 18:52 |
| lcuk | jacob managed to fly it around the house and landed it safely in the lounge (assisted flight..) | 18:52 |
| lcuk | luke looked like a seasoned pro, flying it around the kitchen properly, his balancing skills are amazing :) | 18:52 |
| CosmoHill | are THEY still in one piece? | 18:52 |
| lcuk | and tracy floored the accelerometer, sent it flying into the ceiling, then crash landed it in the sink | 18:52 |
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| lcuk | err | 18:53 |
| lcuk | accerator * | 18:53 |
| * lcuk was just talking about accelerometers lol | 18:53 | |
| lcuk | RST38h, surprisingly robust | 18:53 |
| RST38h | ours is still flying too I think | 18:54 |
| lcuk | as soon as I get the battery for my bigger oneI will feel better | 18:54 |
| lcuk | it flies much more effectively :) | 18:54 |
| smithna | Ok, here we go... http://pastebin.org/256591 | 18:56 |
| smithna | btw: hfdialer list meegotouchcp-connman-libconnman-qt as a dependancy, but it's not in core or ivi repos | 18:57 |
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| * smithna sees problem with hfdialer it should be meegotouchcp-connman-ivi-libconnman-qt, not meegotouchcp-connman-libconnman-qt | 19:00 | |
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| thiago_home | yep, we did | 19:45 |
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| CosmoHill | it's not random enough | 19:53 |
| lcuk | hmm CosmoHill | 20:02 |
| lcuk | how do you know? | 20:02 |
| CosmoHill | cos I can see patterns | 20:02 |
| lcuk | in what data set? how are you requesting the values and how are you getting to see the patterns? | 20:03 |
| CosmoHill | I'm using time(NULL) as the initial seed but as I'm in a loop it doesn't change for X turns | 20:03 |
| * lcuk used to display random data on a 3d plot and saw clusters with certain homebrew algorithms | 20:03 | |
| lcuk | well you should not be seeding at every iteration | 20:04 |
| RST38h | time() isn't a good seed to begin with | 20:04 |
| lcuk | its reasonable for a one off init for most things | 20:05 |
| RST38h | Go with the clock() or some combination of both | 20:05 |
| lcuk | but using it multiple times per second is where the problem is coming | 20:05 |
| BManojlovic | use microphone as input of random data :) | 20:05 |
| RST38h | yea, it is a seed, you are not supposed to use it all the time | 20:05 |
| RST38h | Microphone? 50Hz. | 20:05 |
| RST38h | 60Hz if you are on the other side of the pond | 20:06 |
| berndhs | use twitter public timeline to get noise | 20:06 |
| lcuk | or -3hz if you are in the pond. | 20:06 |
| BManojlovic | europe, so yes :) | 20:06 |
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| RST38h | x86 has a hardware random number source =) | 20:07 |
| CosmoHill | huh, why didn't I think of only seeding once | 20:09 |
| RST38h | Because you didn't care to read Wiki on the subject? =) | 20:09 |
| lcuk | RST38h, is that the FDIV? | 20:09 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Nah, a moment | 20:10 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, seeding is something you do only once :P | 20:10 |
| CosmoHill | thanks very much you two :) | 20:10 |
| CosmoHill | I think now would be a good time for some more tea | 20:10 |
| lcuk | int random(){ return 4; } ( http://xkcd.com/221/ ) | 20:12 |
| CosmoHill | hahahhaha | 20:12 |
| CosmoHill | that would be one way to cause an infinite loop in my program | 20:12 |
| lcuk | :) | 20:13 |
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| CosmoHill | the program itself is pretty simple, create a random string until it matches a defined one | 20:14 |
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| thiago_home | sounds like my random sort algo | 20:15 |
| lcuk | wouldnt strdup() be more efficient? | 20:15 |
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| CosmoHill | oh bugger, something else has broken now | 20:15 |
| thiago_home | how long is your string? | 20:15 |
| CosmoHill | the final one will be 28 characters | 20:15 |
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| thiago_home | now calculate how many operations are required to compute that string | 20:16 |
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| CosmoHill | at the moment it finds my 3 char one is 74090 attempts. It's found it in that many attempts the last 4 goes | 20:17 |
| lcuk | there is something bigger wrong | 20:17 |
| thiago_home | that exact number? | 20:18 |
| lcuk | :P | 20:18 |
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| CosmoHill | yes | 20:18 |
| lcuk | also, statistically, how often are you rechecking the same characters? | 20:18 |
| CosmoHill | (it prints out the attempts at the end) | 20:18 |
| thiago_home | that's extremely unlikely with real random | 20:18 |
| thiago_home | so it's more likely you're not using the random functions correctly | 20:18 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm | 20:18 |
| thiago_home | how are you composing the characters? full ASCII set? full 8-bit set? or just the alpha? | 20:19 |
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| CosmoHill | part of ASCII | 20:19 |
| CosmoHill | I kinda want help but not to much since it's my assignment | 20:20 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, guidance and support vs outright copy paste ;) | 20:20 |
| CosmoHill | pretty much | 20:20 |
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| lcuk | do we get tshirts at the end of this? | 20:22 |
| lcuk | "we helped cosmohill pass his degree" | 20:22 |
| thiago_home | are you doing character-by-character detection, or full string? | 20:22 |
| CosmoHill | character by character | 20:22 |
| thiago_home | ok, then at least that's doable | 20:22 |
| CosmoHill | the main / only problem at the moment is that the random numbers are not random at all | 20:23 |
| CosmoHill | I've gotten idental output the last 10 times | 20:23 |
| thiago_home | sounds like your seeding isn't very good | 20:24 |
| CosmoHill | hmmm | 20:25 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Sorry, it is actually part of the i80802 FWHub | 20:25 |
| sgo11 | will broadcom driver and mp3 be supported by default in the future release of Meego? | 20:25 |
| lcuk | ok CosmoHill forget the bigger picture, run just your core single character box and check its outputs. once you know that works and gives random values without reseeding itself (if its a class, use the constructor to do seeding, then just step the randomness beyond) | 20:25 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Later chipset versions do not include it | 20:25 |
| lcuk | RST38h, but they have TPM chip which afaik offers a similar api for randomness | 20:25 |
| CosmoHill | my mac is being random (in a good way) but the powerful computer isn't | 20:25 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, chances are your seed function is returning different data on thedifferent arches | 20:26 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Not familiar with the TPM, but did have to look at the 80802 datasheet a short while ago | 20:26 |
| CosmoHill | ah | 20:26 |
| thiago_home | sgo11: MP3, no | 20:26 |
| thiago_home | sgo11: broadcom, ask broadcom | 20:26 |
| thiago_home | if they get the drivers in the Linux kernel, under the GPL license, then it's sure | 20:27 |
| sgo11 | thiago_home, why not mp3? most of people have to install mp3 codec manually anyway. that is hard for general user. actually, it's kinda impossible for general user. | 20:28 |
| thiago_home | maybe, but that's life | 20:28 |
| sgo11 | for broadcom driver, it's extremely hard. | 20:28 |
| thiago_home | unfortunately, the companies behind MP3 drive a hard bargain | 20:28 |
| sgo11 | meego decides to use qt. Will meego change all the current applications? I see most of them are gnome/GTK apps. Banshee (Amarok), GnomeTerminal(konsole), GnomeEye(gwenview), gedit(kwrite), evolution PIM (kontact) etc... | 20:29 |
| thiago_home | sgo11: only if necessary | 20:30 |
| thiago_home | there's no need to drop applications that work fine | 20:30 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: new problem, I need to let my mac cool down between tests :o | 20:30 |
| sgo11 | ok. :) | 20:30 |
| sergeyle | Hi everyone. I guess I'm not original, but the http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux wiki page is not as comprehensive as it used to be. Speaking more specifically, what's the image that I have to download if I want to try the chroot option? | 20:30 |
| sergeyle | Thanks in advance | 20:31 |
| thiago_home | sgo11: also note that device vendors might provide the MP3 codec | 20:31 |
| thiago_home | and they most surely will make sure MeeGo works with their hardware | 20:31 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, lol | 20:31 |
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| sgo11 | for mp3 and broadcom driver, at least, meego should have them in the repo. so people can zypper or yum install it. that is how ubunut/opensuse handle it. current installation process for meego is really impossible for general users. | 20:32 |
| CosmoHill | actually I don't turns out textmate was going nuts trying to display all the output | 20:32 |
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| thiago_home | sgo11: the problem of redistribution | 20:32 |
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| sgo11 | btw, kwrite is much better than gedit. | 20:33 |
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| sgo11 | thiago_home, how ubuntu/opensuse and other distributions have those drivers/codec in their repo? why can't meego put them in the repo? | 20:34 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, I once brought down the entire house wifi | 20:35 |
| thiago_home | sgo11: I don't think they do | 20:35 |
| lcuk | because I was logging the output of the graphics routines | 20:35 |
| CosmoHill | go on | 20:35 |
| CosmoHill | ah, over ssh? | 20:35 |
| lcuk | complete heavy description of every single graphical operation | 20:35 |
| lcuk | yeah | 20:35 |
| thiago_home | there's a reason why PLF recompiles all media applications in Mandriva | 20:35 |
| thiago_home | I don't know about other distros, I don't use them | 20:35 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: you know that XKCD comic, I'm tempted to put that in my code now | 20:37 |
| sgo11 | thiago_home, ok, at least, in other distributions, one click can install the driver or codec. currently for meego, i have to install many/many packages manually for broadcom driver and register an useless account for mp3 codec... ^_^ | 20:37 |
| lcuk | blol CosmoHill | 20:37 |
| lcuk | -b | 20:37 |
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| CosmoHill | maybe clock() returns the same value on the linux server because it's much more powerful and under little load | 20:43 |
| sergeyle | Guys, can any of you help? | 20:45 |
| CosmoHill | I'll give you a provision yes with the chance of it changing to a no | 20:46 |
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| lcuk | sergeyle, yes, those instructions changed from being reasonably simplistic download this image, bish bash bosh | 20:47 |
| lcuk | to being more complex | 20:47 |
| lcuk | the original will work still (theres a link to it) | 20:47 |
| lcuk | but the image software is now slightly out of date and would require linking to different repositories to do anything complex | 20:48 |
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| sergeyle | lcuk, thanks. What if I want to do it the right way? :) | 20:48 |
| * CosmoHill gives cookies to lcuk, RST38h and thiago_home | 20:48 | |
| lcuk | sergeyle, then follow the more complex instrucitons | 20:48 |
| lcuk | instructions | 20:48 |
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| lcuk | and see how technical it can be | 20:48 |
| nasa | did anyone look at the bt and xsession-errors posted earlier | 20:49 |
| lcuk | nasa, not sure | 20:50 |
| sergeyle | lcuk, do I need to fetch images from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/ to get it running? | 20:50 |
| lcuk | sergeyle, you need to follow the instructions | 20:50 |
| lcuk | the last time I looked on that page early last week it was the simple instructions, when I peeked again it looked rather overwhelming to me :$ | 20:51 |
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| sergeyle | The instructions doesn't seem to work. | 20:52 |
| sergeyle | Do you know where do I get the ia32 toolchain from? | 20:53 |
| sergeyle | And the mad-admin doen't seem to have meego-core-ia32 as a predefined target | 20:53 |
| sergeyle | (though I managed to fetch the correct sysroot) | 20:54 |
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| FIReun | I've got an atom d525 + ION2 system coming, its a nettop -- is there any advantage of running meego vs ubuntu ? | 22:10 |
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| djszapi | what is your purpose ? | 22:13 |
| FIReun | to exist | 22:14 |
| FIReun | (: | 22:14 |
| FIReun | its a net top, media watching, some desktop publishing (office) | 22:14 |
| FIReun | but I assume because of libraries, meego doesnt support just any old linux app | 22:15 |
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| FIReun | I dont really expect games to work, but would like to be pleasantly suprised | 22:16 |
| djszapi | I would give it a try to meego if you have got time and you will see :) | 22:16 |
| FIReun | ok, I'll prolly toss it on a flash drive and give it a run | 22:16 |
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| CosmoHill | FIReun: meego doesn't currently support Nvidia graphics chips | 22:17 |
| FIReun | CosmoHill: well thats a deal breaker then | 22:17 |
| djszapi | not, but works in a way. | 22:18 |
| thiago_home | all it takes is someone make it work | 22:18 |
| FIReun | of course | 22:20 |
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| FIReun | well thanks for the info | 22:20 |
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| Myrtti | *nnnggghhh* | 23:14 |
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