IRC log of #meego for Wednesday, 2010-10-06

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N900revengehow do you guys feel about ari quitting?00:00
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berndhsN900revenge: i'll take his job if they ask me00:01
GAN900Dunno, could be a good shift, could be bad.00:01
GAN900Depending on who replaces him.00:02
patrykHi, where I can find qflasher tool?00:02
N900revengeabandoning sinking ship it seems...i guess winmo7 is coming maybe?00:02
GAN900I always get the impression he was stuck in the open source of 2004.00:02
aukepatryk: there's links on the wiki to the download site00:02
GAN900N900revenge, don't troll.00:02
N900revengetroll?00:02
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GAN900N900revenge, yes, troll. Don't play dumb.00:03
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aukeI can understand people asking about it, just ignore it, discussing it doesn't help much00:04
N900revengei was asking a legitimate question about a man leaving who brought nokia maemo00:04
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TSCHAKeee2the truth is, we don't know what to say00:04
TSCHAKeee2there is nothing TO say00:04
aukeit won't change how meego works probably00:04
N900revengebut it cant be good00:05
wmaroneerr, it can be anything00:05
wmaronewe don't know yet00:05
aukeperhaps it can be great00:05
aukeonly time will tell00:05
berndhsthe next ari might be great00:05
N900revengelets not be silly.... it cant be good00:05
TSCHAKeee2please stop being an idiot.00:05
TSCHAKeee2we can't speculate at this point.00:05
aukeonly time will tell. please go and discuss it on slashdot instead?00:06
TSCHAKeee2it is all too tempting to be an armchair pundit.00:06
N900revengea guy that spent over 10 years working on shit all of a sudden packs his shit up and leaves....what do you call that?00:06
aukeplease00:06
TSCHAKeee2N900revenge: the creator of Mystery Science Theater 3000 left, after 5 years on the show.00:06
TSCHAKeee2N900revenge: the show had another 5 years.00:06
GAN900N900revenge, corporate politics?00:06
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N900revengenokia is cleaning house....ari was pushed to leave....dont be naive....winmo7 or android is coming00:07
wmaroneN900revenge: don't troll00:07
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aukenew topic please00:07
GAN900Go go go00:07
N900revengeyou guys dont want to engage in an intelligent conversation?00:07
wmaroneyou aren't here to engage in an intelligent conversation00:08
TSCHAKeee2this isn't intelligent conversation.00:08
berndhsyes we do, that's why we go to the nex ttopic00:08
TSCHAKeee2it is mindless speculation.00:08
N900revengepray tell00:08
TSCHAKeee2it is "OH MY GOD THE SKY IS FALLING!"00:08
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N900revengeright....and speculation is what fuels conversation no?00:08
* wmarone wonders which prior troll N900revenge is00:08
* TSCHAKeee2 sighs.00:09
aukeN900revenge: politely, I request you to drop the subject.00:09
TSCHAKeee2where do these people come from?00:09
N900revengeor will you lot be running around like chickens with their heads cut off pretending that 3 senior managers quitting is good news?00:10
N900revengeunreal00:10
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aukeI apologize00:11
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aukeI hate making bans, don't make me do that00:11
N900revengeare you proud of yourself?00:11
CosmoHillban him00:11
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N900revengefanboys are amusing00:11
wmaroneN900revenge: quite simply, if I wanted an Android device I'd have one, and WP7 is garbage. Whatever will happen, will happen. The end.00:12
N900revengefair point00:12
wmaronenow then, the topic at hand: MeeGo00:12
N900revengebut meego was ari...so ari is the topic no?00:13
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wmaronenope00:13
patrykIs there anyone who knows, where I can find QFlasher tool ? :)00:13
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aukeI sooo hate making bans, especially with pidgin not knowing /ban or /kickban00:16
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CosmoHillfyi I'm gonna keep the devil suit on for now00:18
AardCosmoHill: bsd is off-topic here00:18
CosmoHillfair enough00:19
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wmaronelinux has daemons too :P00:19
AardCosmoHill: so, unless your name is 'ceren' better wear something else ;)00:19
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aukealright I'm on xchat now00:29
aukeat least I can do proper bans and whatnot00:29
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CosmoHillyay00:30
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berndhsso we have to behave now ?00:30
aukewell00:30
aukeI don't mind heated discussions00:31
aukeI do mind new people coming in and trying to stir things up00:31
berndhsfinally wound the weekly builds00:32
berndhsso when I install the 1.0.99, the next release will come 2 days after that00:33
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CosmoHillauke: sup?00:55
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aukexchat instead of pidgin00:57
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vgrade|spain_CosmoHill, saw your message earlier, I've not progressed anything so far01:17
vgrade|spain_been working away01:18
CosmoHillI've been ill, then busy01:18
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TSCHAKeee2vgrade|spain_: mcompositor and emgd just do not get along01:20
TSCHAKeee2vgrade|spain_: at some point around 2010-07-27 the shaders were changed in such a way that EMGD blows chunks.01:20
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CosmoHillI just forked myself01:31
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vgrade|spain_TSCHAKeee2, my EMGD contact has not replied to my question about EMGD tracking MeeGo01:36
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c0nv1cthow can I get my gobi 2000 modem working in meego? the only documentation i've found is for gobi_loader but it isnt creating the /dev/ttyUSB device like it should09:29
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CharubalaHi All. I am Charubala. I want to connect to internet through my mobile phone from meego. Could someone tell me how to connect?09:47
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CharubalaDoes anyone tried using DUN in meego?09:51
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CharubalaI want to test dun in meego. Can somebody help me10:04
Charubala?10:04
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CharubalaAnybody there?10:11
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CharubalaDoes anyone see this message?10:13
Stskeepsyes10:13
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Myrttimoin10:14
CharubalaMoo, Thanks for replying. I am new to irc channel. I was not sure that someone see my queries. Now i am sure. Thanks10:14
CharubalaDoes anyone have idea in DUN?. I want to test dun in meego. Can someone help me?10:18
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MyrttiCharubala: you're not too specific, what do you want to test specifically10:22
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TermanaDesireI don't know specifics (because I have no Bluetooth devices) but you should be able to use the hfp configuration in ofono10:23
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Myrttinot that I can help you really with the testing, but you're so vague with your call for help that those who can might not be able to tell if they can help you or not either10:24
TermanaDesireWell, I have Bluetooth FAA10:24
TermanaDesireErr10:24
TermanaDesireBluetooth devices but I don't use it10:25
CharubalaHi Myrtti. Thanks for helping me.  I have installed Meego in my desktop. I have connected a bluetooth dongle and its working fine.  I want to connect to the internet through my mobile phone. Could you please tell me what to do?10:25
Myrttino, I can't tell you because I've not tried that myself, but now that you've been more specific with what you want someone else might10:26
Myrttigood luck10:26
TermanaDesireLike I said Google for hfp in iconography10:27
TermanaDesireOfono *10:27
StskeepsTermanaDesire: fail dictionary10:27
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Charubalayeah thats right. Thanks for your time Myrtti10:27
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TermanaDesireStskeeps: :p I think I need to add these words to my dictionary or switch to my n900 ;p10:28
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bef0rdlooks like notebook wm doesn't allow dragging windows with ALT pressed :/10:33
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npr664Hello!10:50
npr664Does anyone know any websites where you come from specified list of applications meego?10:50
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lcukmorning10:59
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npr664Good morning!10:59
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andre___npr664, didn't understand your question.11:14
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npr664I want to know a list of high-level application of meego11:23
andre___errrm. well. the included stuff?11:24
npr664yes11:24
Tumi_does that not depend on product?11:25
npr664I think yes. For example, the Netbook OS Meego11:25
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andre___npr664, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/netbook/repos/source/ ?11:26
arfolldoes anyone know how long the LF take to reply to a flight itenerary proposition?11:27
Tumi_I was thinking that when company X releases their netbook product Y they decide which applications comes with the device11:28
thiagoTumi_: they do11:28
npr664ok.. thank you!11:28
arfollTumi_, to be meego compliant they have to ship with a certain amount of "core" stuff11:28
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npr664bye!11:29
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Tumi_arfoll: that I was also thinking but are those applications decided yet?11:29
arfollTumi_, I think everything in the core repos. There is a discussion on the mailing list about it11:30
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Tumi_hmm, really?11:30
arfollsearch meego-dev for compliance. there is a draft out11:30
Tumi_okay11:31
arfollthere is a 74 thread discussion on it named - [MeeGo-dev] Trademark compliance, name usage, etc.11:32
arfolland another smaller more recent one after one of the meetings where a draft spec is mentioned11:32
Tumi_so there are a lot of ui-applications that has to be shipped with the product to be meego-compliant11:32
Tumi_sounds bit weird to me11:33
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arfollTumi_, not really the idea is to have a common UX, if you call it meego and have something completely custom then customers will get confused11:34
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arfollif you want to call it meego, consumers have to recognise it as such11:35
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arfollor be in bed with nokia/intel11:35
Tumi_:D11:35
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Tumi_yep, that makes sense - still having some mobile-oriented software in my IVI or TV sounds a bit weird..11:36
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Tumi_or the compliance lists are device type specific?11:36
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arfollTumi_, I have no idea tbh. you'll have to join in the discussion on read the specs11:38
arfollI just skimmed it but wasn't really that interested11:39
Tumi_I hope I had the time :/11:39
Tumi_so enough of this, vader :)11:39
arfolltbh it looks like no one is sure11:40
Tumi_looks like that in many areas ;)11:40
arfollshhhh11:43
arfollit's a secret!11:43
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Tumi_tou!11:43
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CharubalaHas anyone tried connecting to internet thorugh mobile from meego12:28
Charubala?12:28
Tumi_I guess I'm going to, soon12:30
Tumi_which kind of setup do you have?12:31
lcukCharubala, isnt that like crossing the streams?12:31
Tumi_Charubala: oh just realized that you probably mean using your cellular phone to connect your MeeGo laptop to internet?12:32
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andre___...or some laptop connected to a meego handset to use mobile internet?12:37
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Tumi_or some meego handset to use mobile internet?12:40
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CharubalaHi.  I have installed Meego on my desktop and i have a nokia mobile with gprs connection. I have connected a bluetooth dongle to my desktop and its working fine. Now i want to connect to the internet through my nokia mobile12:59
CharubalaSorry for the late reply. I didnt see your reply for my query.13:01
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RST38hHeh, Intel has stated that there won't be MeeGo handsets until 201113:31
RST38hAre we back to *Maemo* Harmattan then?13:31
Stskeepshow can they know anyway?13:32
Stskeeps:P13:32
leinirThere will be no Intel based MeeGo handsets until 2011 ;)13:32
Tumi_well it must be so then if intel says so :/13:34
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Tumi_and that "be" probably means that you can not find on the shelf of local mobile reseller13:35
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leinirThat's the thing, they can only really know about stuff they're directly involved with - they will have no idea about anything nokia might be working on, for example :)13:36
Tumi_and my company x13:36
Tumi_but still I guess they're quite educated guesses =)13:37
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CosmoHill"heads  or tails" :p13:38
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RST38hStskeeps: I guess it must be interpreted as "no Intel-based Meego handsets"13:39
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RST38hStskeeps: Or Nokia marketing forgot to tell them that Harmattan=Meego13:40
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sx0ni don't understand news anymore, maybe i am getting old.13:46
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achipajust read the company name into it14:00
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achipaif Intel says X then it applies to Intel products - if Nokia says Y then that applies to Nokia products, as easy as that - I don't see Intel announcing Nokia products or the other way round :)14:01
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wesbluemarinewhy meego has nautilus and banshee?they are slow14:20
lcukwesbluemarine, show us something better14:20
lcukie, build it and run it14:20
wesbluemarineamarok?14:20
lcukdon't just come here making random questions nobody can answer for you14:20
wesbluemarinelol14:21
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wesbluemarinewhy nobody answer?14:21
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bunkRST38h: Will Harmattan be released this year?14:21
lcukwesbluemarine, because you ask something that doesn't help14:21
CosmoHilldoesn't amarok require KDE libs?14:21
leinirYes? :)14:21
lcukif you came and said "I built amorak and it runs 100% faster, look heres a .rpm to try"14:22
lcukpeople may listen14:22
leinirit requires kdelibs :)14:22
lcukshhh14:22
lcukdon't tell him that ;)14:22
wesbluemarinebut... lcuk everyone knows that nautilus is the slower fm for linux14:22
leinir(used to also require kdebase-runtime, but with libplasma moved to kdelibs, that requirement is gone)14:22
wesbluemarinethere is thunar14:22
wesbluemarineit's faster and lighter14:22
wesbluemarineless deps14:23
lcukwesbluemarine, windows explorer is faster14:23
lcukwhy doesn't meego use that?14:23
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wesbluemarinec' mon....14:23
lcukno14:23
lcuki am serious14:23
wesbluemarineme too14:23
lcukthen you build yours first14:23
lcuk:P14:23
wesbluemarineyes but14:23
wesbluemarineit's only a question14:23
lcukbut what? theres sdk available14:24
wesbluemarinelisten to me lol14:24
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lcukwhy, lots of people put time and effort into nautilus and it works well14:24
wesbluemarinethere is a reason i think, to choose nautilus14:24
wesbluemarineno?14:24
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Stskeepsnetbook ux is like it was in moblin.14:25
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wesbluemarineux?14:26
Stskeepsuser experience14:26
Stskeepslike, what runs on netbooks14:26
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wesbluemarinemmh but is there clutter?14:27
Stskeepsyes, on netbook ux14:28
Stskeepsit's getting phased out eventually14:28
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wesbluemarinei thought always was of qt14:28
Stskeepsnop14:28
Stskeepsnetbook ux comes from moblin14:28
wesbluemarineso the bar is clutter?14:28
Stskeepsi guess14:28
wesbluemarinemhhhhhhh14:29
Stskeepshandset ux is qt14:30
Stskeepsand so's IVI14:30
wesbluemarinemmh14:30
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timeless_mbpDawnFoster: i need to poke someone about OSU15:28
timeless_mbppreferably soon, although not w/in the next hour15:28
* timeless_mbp needs to run an errand :(15:28
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slainetimeless_mbp: did you're weekend plans in Dublin pan out ok ?15:51
timeless_mbpyeah15:52
slainegreat15:52
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timeless_mbpit wasn't healthy for my bank account15:52
timeless_mbpbut otherwise :)15:52
slaine:)15:52
Stskeepsweekends in dublin rarely are15:52
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timeless_mbpwell, it turns out that had i planned a bit more carefully there was a place that would have saved 15mins of walking each way and probably 90% of the cost15:53
timeless_mbpbut that's the price of not doing proper advanced planning15:53
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slaineeek15:53
timeless_mbpbesides, i got to swim at least once15:53
timeless_mbpactually there was a hostel which i ended up using for my last night which was a few blocks from the hotel i stayed in15:54
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timeless_mbpbut ironically it would have been *less* convenient for the nights i was staying in15:54
timeless_mbp(the hotel staff was very helpful)15:54
timeless_mbp(and understanding)15:54
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FunkyPenguinfor those that are interested - http://news.opensuse.org/2010/10/06/announcing-smeegol-1-0/16:32
Stskeepshow did you end up dealing with theme packages and such16:32
Stskeeps?16:32
FunkyPenguinwhich packages?16:33
FunkyPenguinoh sorry theme16:33
FunkyPenguingconf settings iirc16:34
Stskeepsas that's the stuff having the restricted licenses16:34
Robot101released on my birthday! \o/16:34
Stskeepsand replacing them with your own theming?16:34
FunkyPenguinwe're not using MeeGo themes/branding16:35
Stskeepsyeah, i figured as much16:35
Stskeepsjust wondered what you replaced them with :)16:35
th0br0happy birthday, Robot10116:35
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FunkyPenguinStskeeps, yeah mostly stock openSUSE theme bits16:36
Stskeepsk16:36
marcobis  libmeegotouchcompiling without dbus?16:36
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Robot101th0br0: thanks :)16:36
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FunkyPenguinStskeeps, tbh it isnt perfect as i seem to get some gtk1.0 looking bits at times16:37
sid3windrdoes emgd work with xorg 1.9 ?16:41
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fradesmeegol is a great name!16:51
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CosmoHillholy crap17:08
CosmoHillthey actually called SUSE MeeGo Smeegol17:08
Stskeepsno, that's opensuse meego17:09
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CosmoHillah17:10
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leinir*nods* It's just a community project by opensuse people, it's not a suse project in any other way really :)17:10
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leinirWell, i say "just", it's still pretty nicely doe ;)17:11
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leinirdone*17:11
kami_kamiHey. I need some help. I'm planning to use meego on my nettop as its only OS. Is it possible to use vlc or get plugins for various media playback yet?17:12
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sigiliosomaybe this would help: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=26917:17
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Jaffaqgil: replied to your email btw19:01
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qgilJaffa: saw it, thanks19:03
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Jaffaqgil: Sorry for delay - been in bed all day with the migraine from yesterday19:06
gouri saw in the maemo forum post about running swt on 900...since we're thinking about using DWT (post of SWT to D) for our project, i wonder what do you think about running DWT(SWT) app on mmego?19:06
qgilI don't consider "delay" to emails not arriving while I'm sleeping  ;)19:06
qgilJaffa: I wish you're doing better now19:07
Jaffaqgil: well, I'm up ;-)19:08
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halvorsSome ideas about when Meego will be released?21:30
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slainehalvors: it was released months ago21:32
slaineI assume you mean 1.1 ?21:32
halvorsBut i mean for handsets21:32
slainethat's for 1.121:32
halvorsOk.21:32
slainewhich is due out by the end of this month21:32
slaineyou can download pre-releases to test21:32
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halvorsOk, so then i can get a phone that run meego?21:33
slaineIf you got an n900 you could run meego pre-releases now21:33
halvorsDoes anybody know some good upcoming models that runs meego?21:33
slaineNo new hardware has been announced21:34
halvorsBut if i wait to the end of the month i will get an better one.21:34
slaineOnly if new hardware is announced21:34
halvorsIs N9 and N900 the same phone?21:34
slaineNo21:34
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halvorsI heard that N9 will run meego.21:35
halvorsCan i test the handset meego version on my pc?21:35
slaineThere's been no announcement to that affect that I know of21:35
slaineYes, there's a meego SDK21:35
slainesee meego.com for details21:35
halvorsWhat you mean about SDK?21:35
slaineSoftware Developer Kit21:36
ScottishDuckhttp://news.opensuse.org/2010/10/06/announcing-smeegol-1-0/21:36
slaineIt lets you test your software in a virtual meego handset session21:36
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halvorsCool21:39
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halvorsslaine: Where can i get the Meego SDK?21:43
halvorsDoes not find it at the site.21:43
slaineOh come on, it's on the front page21:44
slaineyou can't have tried that hard21:44
StskeepsTSG meeting is cancelled tonight due to health problems21:45
slaineStskeeps: sigh21:45
slainefirst one I've managed to set time aside for in months21:46
slaineawewell, I'll got and get some dinner so21:46
Stskeepsslaine: more time for playing openttd for me :)21:46
slainemore time to assemble my ikea kitchen that arrived today21:46
slaine:(21:46
Stskeepsi chickened out and paid them to assemble my wardrobe21:46
Stskeeps:P21:46
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slainetsk21:46
slainethough I am paying a carpenter to install it21:47
Stskeepsit was open source (ie, plans how to assemble it was there) so i didn't feel bad supporting people doing the assembling ;)21:47
vnepoim trying to install meego on the n900, but i'm having trouble21:47
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slaineok, Catch you all tomorrow21:48
Stskeepshave a good one21:48
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vnepoanyone here know a site with step by steps on installing meego on the n900?21:49
Stskeepsvnepo: grab image from repo.meego.com and follow wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC21:49
vnepookay thanks!21:49
aukewe need a faq-bot21:49
auke:)21:49
Stskeepsor infobot21:50
aukeeither21:50
Stskeepsinfobot: meego-n900 is grab image from repo.meego.com (meego-handset-armv7l-n900) and follow http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC21:50
infobotStskeeps: okay21:50
Stskeeps~meego-n90021:50
infobotrumour has it, meego-n900 is grab image from repo.meego.com (meego-handset-armv7l-n900) and follow http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC21:51
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aukeinfobot, meego-n900?21:51
infobotrumour has it, meego-n900 is grab image from repo.meego.com (meego-handset-armv7l-n900) and follow http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC21:51
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vnepomemory stick21:53
vnepohmm21:53
vnepocan i use any or do you guys recommend one?21:53
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vnepo4gb/8gb?21:54
vnepo16gb21:54
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aukefor n900, it needs to be a micro-SD card21:54
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vnepodo you have a recommended micro-SD card?21:54
halvorsslaine: Seems like download server is down...21:54
vnepoat a good price21:55
aukeI think 2gb is the minimum. the rest is your choice21:55
Stskeepsvnepo: class 4 or higher is good21:55
aukethere are some brands selling 'class 6' or higher cards, those are nice21:55
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aukehigher class means faster card21:55
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vnepowhere can i buy those higher class ones22:02
vnepoand what brand?22:02
Stskeepsbrand doesn't matter too much22:03
vnepoim thinking of getting a 4gb one22:03
Stskeepsand in shops22:03
vnepooh yeah22:03
vnepookay22:03
aukeyour local (/internet) electronics dealer can help you22:03
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Stskeepsauke: it's actually sometimes difficult to find one..22:03
aukeamazon.com has a ton if you can order from there, or newegg, or ...22:03
Stskeepsi can only find class 6 16gb ones locally22:03
Stskeepswhich are ..expensive22:03
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aukeit depends on where you live, yes22:03
Stskeepswhile thinking about size, did you ever get anywhere with resizing btrfs partition?22:04
aukeno22:04
aukeI mean, I have a plan for in the future support it22:04
aukebut no implementation other than some neuron connections in my brain22:04
Stskeeps:nod:22:05
aukeit does mean we need btrfs subvol support across all vertical bootloaders22:05
Stskeepswhy?22:05
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aukeotherwise I can't support resizing properly22:07
Stskeepshrm, ok22:07
aukebtrfs resizing isn't the issue22:07
aukeit's partition resizing that's one of the bigger obstacles22:08
aukebrb free pizza22:08
Stskeepsaw, now i want pizza22:08
Stskeeps:P22:08
auketalk to Margie :D22:08
Stskeepsi don't intend to fly to portland tonight22:08
Stskeeps:P22:08
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vnepois 4gb enough for meego?22:23
vnepoor should i go higher?22:23
vnepohow come I can't install it over maemo?22:24
Stskeepsour images are 2gb22:24
Stskeepsbecause we're too fat22:24
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vnepolol i dont get it22:24
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vneposo would i always need the microsd card to use meego or this is just needed for installation..?22:25
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wmaronevnepo: for the time being, operation of an SD card is the only supported method of running MeeGo on the N900.22:36
wmaronemaybe later you'll be able to install to the eMMC, but I don't think install to the OneNAND will ever be possible22:36
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