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| maxamillion | hey, odd ball question .... does anyone think/know that Nokia will launch a MeeGo handset sporting something similar to the e73 form factor? | 05:30 |
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| johnx | the people who know can't say | 05:31 |
| johnx | and the people who say 'yes' or 'no' are probably not the people who know ;) | 05:31 |
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| maxamillion | johnx: yeah, I figured as much | 05:31 |
| johnx | That said, there are rumored shots of an N9 that looks an awful lot like the N8 | 05:32 |
| maxamillion | johnx: I kinda wish they'd leak a little info though because I'm either going to wait for a MeeGo handset in that form factor or I'm likely to buy a blackberry ... so if the answer is yes then they've got a customer :) | 05:32 |
| johnx | I'd guess they'll transition the E series to Meego at some point, but that might not be soon at all ... | 05:32 |
| johnx | Also: gah, a blackberry? At least get something android ... | 05:32 |
| maxamillion | I've got a Droid now and I'm tired of the touch screen craze and I want something that actually sports a battery life | 05:32 |
| maxamillion | i've had a G1, a myTouch3G and a Nexus One... then i jumped ship to Verizon and now I have a Droid ... *none* of them can get more than a day of heavy usage and its just sad at this point .... blackberry is just stomping them in battery life and its not like they're doing anything magical under the hood | 05:34 |
| johnx | they're doing less. that's what | 05:34 |
| maxamillion | I don't follow | 05:34 |
| johnx | the less flexible the OS, the easier it is to get good battery life | 05:34 |
| maxamillion | ah | 05:35 |
| maxamillion | fair enough | 05:35 |
| johnx | more processing on the server, more stringent task stopping while in 'sleep' mode | 05:35 |
| maxamillion | oh well .... I suppose I'll hold on to my Droid and see what happens | 05:35 |
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| johnx | my samsung dumbphone lasted for days even with some calls thrown in. it would probably idle even longer | 05:36 |
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| maxamillion | johnx: yeah, my old motorola dumbphone lasted forever ... and I get the whole OS differences argument, but I've messed with my boss' Blackberry Bold 89xx and it can do everything I do on my Droid but do it faster and with longer battery life .... now I know the phone can't do more than my Droid, but it handles all the tasks I need .... | 05:37 |
| maxamillion | multiple email accounts and calendar sync, GPS, bluetooth, twitter, and a ssh client | 05:38 |
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| maxamillion | oh and facebook | 05:38 |
| johnx | then go for it. I've just run into a lot of pain with blackberries, mostly having to do with how much they rely on RIM's servers for processing and services | 05:38 |
| maxamillion | I really think the big difference is the touchscreen vs. no touchscreen | 05:39 |
| maxamillion | yeah, that's cause for concern :/ | 05:39 |
| johnx | the touchscreen is not the issue :) | 05:39 |
| maxamillion | I'll likely hold out to see what MeeGo rolls out with, I really like the idea of real GNU/Linux in my pocket | 05:39 |
| johnx | it's just that more flexible OSes demand more flexible input | 05:39 |
| johnx | for example, years ago at work we had a whole bunch of awful little non-touchscreen winmo phones complete with horrible battery life | 05:40 |
| johnx | anyways, at some point, we'll probably hit a (possibly temporary) plateau of 'fast enough' and end up with performance staying the same for a couple 'cycles' and battery life going back up | 05:41 |
| johnx | we saw that with netbooks recently | 05:41 |
| maxamillion | right, but the Blackberry Storm2 has horrible battery life while all Blackberry devices with no touchscreen have great battery life ... that's kinda my metric of comparison | 05:41 |
| maxamillion | yeah, since the Atom N450's we haven't really seen anything new in the netbook space | 05:41 |
| johnx | but the storm2 has a different CPU I thought | 05:42 |
| maxamillion | and that's been ... almost a year now hasn't it? | 05:42 |
| maxamillion | johnx: oh does it? that I didn't know ... would make sense though | 05:42 |
| johnx | didn't the storm2 have a different OS compared to the other blackberries as well? | 05:42 |
| maxamillion | I didn't think so | 05:42 |
| johnx | also, the big superbright screens are another huge consumer of battery | 05:43 |
| johnx | so I guess that kinda goes with 'touchscreen' but it's not the 'touch' aspect, but the big-and-bright aspect | 05:43 |
| maxamillion | yeah, that is true ... the average blackberry screen is roughly half the size of the average touch screen phone's screen | 05:44 |
| johnx | and probably designed for sunlight readability as opposed to looking super-saturated and bright in a keynote speech :> | 05:44 |
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| maxamillion | of course, through all this speculation and discussion I know for a fact I'm going to buy whatever the first MeeGo device that's available for Verizon is anyways | 05:45 |
| johnx | :) | 05:45 |
| johnx | meanwhile, I may switch carriers to get one | 05:45 |
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| maxamillion | I can't afford to switch carriers ... and I've been with everyone else, I made my way to Verizon for a reason .... T-Mobile's coverage is a joke (I live in a very small college town ... grad school and what not) and AT&T and I haven't gotten along | 05:46 |
| maxamillion | and Sprint's network just piggy backs off Verizon's network in most of my area so I might as well just give Verizon my money | 05:47 |
| johnx | I'd like to stay away from at&t in this area...and t-mo coverage is good here and there 3G network is underused :) | 05:47 |
| maxamillion | ah, well that's nice | 05:47 |
| johnx | plus, I have an N900, so that works out | 05:47 |
| maxamillion | T-Mobile doesn't even have 3G in my area | 05:47 |
| maxamillion | and their EDGE is sketchy at best | 05:47 |
| johnx | for a while I could barely make calls in one side of my apartment, but they appear to have fixed that | 05:48 |
| maxamillion | well that's good | 05:48 |
| maxamillion | I'm trying to think of which carrier I see the first MeeGo device launching on in the states... and I really think it will be either AT&T or T-Mobile purely because GSM is a more globally used technology | 05:49 |
| johnx | actually, I really like the portrait keyboard form factor. I wish Nokia would do one with a proper OS :) | 05:49 |
| johnx | yeah, probably AT&T or t-mo | 05:50 |
| johnx | the N900 is on t-mo, but it was a bit more hacker oriented than the first meego device will be | 05:50 |
| maxamillion | yeah, I've seen the N900s ... few people had them at Texas Linux Fest 2010 ... slick device, too bad it wasn't more widely marketed | 05:51 |
| johnx | I want it to be on t-mo, but I have a sinking feeling it will be on at&t | 05:51 |
| maxamillion | I dunno though ... AT&T seems a bit too busy kissing Apple's ass, I'm actually surprised they even have a Galaxy S device | 05:51 |
| johnx | samsung is hell bent on getting their devices out there and good for them | 05:51 |
| johnx | it looks like they directly turned down carrier exclusivity contracts (hard to think that no carrier offered them one) | 05:52 |
| maxamillion | agreed, I'm also really happy to see that they released all the source code ... makes things easier for the Android ROM bakers like CyanogenMod (my personal favorite) | 05:52 |
| maxamillion | someone had to try and sign them exclusively, the device is really impressive | 05:53 |
| johnx | highly looking forward to the galaxy tab :) | 05:53 |
| johnx | that would be one awesome piece of kit to run meego on | 05:54 |
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| maxamillion | heh | 05:55 |
| maxamillion | I just really hope MeeGo succeeds and doesn't become as niche as meamo is/was | 05:55 |
| maxamillion | maemo* | 05:56 |
| johnx | I'm hoping for good things | 05:56 |
| johnx | but I have a lot of bias :) | 05:56 |
| johnx | at this point, I think it has a much better chance of getting ported around to other devices than maemo ever did | 05:56 |
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| maxamillion | I agree | 05:57 |
| maxamillion | not to mention that since Intel is on board this go around, I could see them rolling out some really impressive devices based on next-gen Atom setups | 05:57 |
| johnx | really looking forward to seeing Meego on both intel and ARM :) | 05:59 |
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| johnx | hopefully this is the 'real' portable, user-facing embedded linux platform that we've been waiting for since 2002 or so | 06:00 |
| maxamillion | johnx: I agree, I love ARM because I think a lot of cool stuff is happening in that arena but I'm also really excited to see the next gen Atom bits because I'm waiting until we hit SoCs powered by Atom procs | 06:00 |
| maxamillion | johnx: ha! no joke | 06:00 |
| johnx | seriously, I had a Zaurus SL5500 (would love to see someone make a phone in a similar form factor), Zaurus C1000, Nokia N800, Nokia N900 (and a Pandora) and I'm tired of all this churn and incompatibility and API breakage | 06:01 |
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| wmarone | I eagerly await general availability of the pandaboard | 06:02 |
| johnx | yes | 06:02 |
| wmarone | might go get a small, secondary monitor just for it | 06:02 |
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| wmarone | mouse, keyboard | 06:03 |
| johnx | I'd love to wedge one into an older netbook. I bet there'd be room to spare ... | 06:03 |
| wmarone | only thing missing is the lack of a capacitive touchscreen module that could be added | 06:03 |
| wmarone | and I don't have the resources to make one that I'd like | 06:03 |
| johnx | my other wild ideas involve using one to replace the mainboard in a G4 iMac | 06:04 |
| wmarone | (that and the board header for the LCD is locked out in favor of the DVI) | 06:04 |
| johnx | battery powered desktop :> | 06:04 |
| wmarone | haha | 06:04 |
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| maxamillion | johnx: I have an iMac G4 taking up space in the office ... its got a copy of YellowDog Linux on it that can be wiped .... its yours if you pay shipping | 06:06 |
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| johnx | maxamillion, where from? | 06:08 |
| maxamillion | johnx: Texas | 06:08 |
| maxamillion | johnx: small surface crack on the screen in the upper left corner ... but it doesn't really have an effect on visibility | 06:09 |
| maxamillion | johnx: I will warn ... bugger is *heavy* (which is why I'm not willing to pay shipping costs :/) | 06:09 |
| johnx | ah, let me lookup a weight ... | 06:11 |
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| johnx | might be cheaper to get one locally ... | 06:11 |
| maxamillion | heh, didn't even think about that | 06:11 |
| maxamillion | it might be | 06:11 |
| maxamillion | I picked that one up for $50 | 06:11 |
| johnx | what screen size is it? | 06:12 |
| maxamillion | johnx: I *think* its a 17" ... lemme go double check | 06:13 |
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| maxamillion | johnx: yeah, 17" | 06:14 |
| johnx | alright, I guessed it was that one | 06:14 |
| johnx | seems more common than the 15 or 20 | 06:14 |
| maxamillion | yeah | 06:14 |
| maxamillion | johnx: what's the weight listed on it | 06:14 |
| maxamillion | ?* | 06:14 |
| johnx | 23lbs | 06:15 |
| johnx | soooo, $30 shipping ... | 06:15 |
| maxamillion | $30 shipping where? | 06:15 |
| johnx | to seattle area | 06:15 |
| maxamillion | that's really well priced ... what carrier? | 06:15 |
| johnx | ups actually | 06:15 |
| maxamillion | huh | 06:15 |
| maxamillion | nice | 06:15 |
| maxamillion | johnx: well I'll have to find a box for it if you're actually interested, but I wouldn't mind doing so ... just might take me a day or two to find one that big that would provide some protection | 06:16 |
| johnx | maxamillion, I'll think about it. the offer is much appreciated, but I don't have any of the other parts I need for this hack yet, so I might just wait a bit | 06:17 |
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| maxamillion | johnx: no worries, feel free to email me ... its likely the iMac isn't going anywhere | 06:17 |
| johnx | I'll definitely tell you if/when I change my mind :) | 06:18 |
| maxamillion | johnx: email is maxamillion@fedoraproject.org | 06:18 |
| johnx | cool. | 06:18 |
| johnx | eep. off to eat dinner. back in a bit | 06:18 |
| maxamillion | johnx: alright, ttyl | 06:18 |
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| maxamillion | hey, so I know MeeGo is already out for the N900 ... does OviMaps run on that? | 06:23 |
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| maxamillion | because if I could still have turn by turn when I drop Android for MeeGo, that'd be awesome | 06:24 |
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| wmarone | Ovi Maps will probably only be available on Nokia branded MeeGo installs | 06:31 |
| maxamillion | wmarone: is MeeGo on the N900 not a Nokia branded install? or do you me an "out of box MeeGo product" scenario? | 06:32 |
| wmarone | it is not a nokia branded install | 06:32 |
| wmarone | and you will probably see it on out of the box meego products | 06:33 |
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| maxamillion | ok | 06:34 |
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| wmarone | and meego 1.1 isn't quite ready for general use (doubly so on android devices.) | 06:34 |
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| maxamillion | MeeGo will be released for Android devices? ... that'll be interesting | 06:36 |
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| johnx | likely people will port it to some android devices | 06:42 |
| johnx | probably be biggest blocker will be whether there's open drivers for the modem | 06:42 |
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| wmarone | graphics are as much a blocker, if not moreso | 06:44 |
| maxamillion | if MeeGo were ported to the Moto Droid I'd be rather happy :) | 06:45 |
| wmarone | well, it could probably run with most of what's used for the N900 now | 06:45 |
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| wmarone | of course, only the DROID | 06:46 |
| wmarone | and no other Motorola devices | 06:47 |
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| TermanaDesire | MeeGo ports to some android devices has already started. The modem part is fine for qualcomm choosers, one could almost argue its more open than the n900's modem but anyway. | 06:47 |
| TermanaDesire | Chipsets * | 06:48 |
| maxamillion | yeah ... this is the last moto device I purchase even if MeeGo and I don't get along and I stick with Android .... Moto is dead to me | 06:48 |
| maxamillion | TermanaDesire: any info on the status of these ports anywhere? | 06:48 |
| TermanaDesire | But nothing for the Droid. | 06:48 |
| TermanaDesire | maxamillion: wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD | 06:49 |
| maxamillion | bummer | 06:49 |
| wmarone | the DROID is so similar to the N900, a port should be (relatively) trivial | 06:50 |
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| maxamillion | oh yeah, I forgot the n900 was the OMAP3 spec also | 06:50 |
| wmarone | indeed | 06:50 |
| TermanaDesire | wmarone: not really. They share a lot of things including the omap chip being used but you need to look at the complete picture | 06:51 |
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| TermanaDesire | Probably easier than other non-omap ports but still not what I would call "easy" | 06:51 |
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| wmarone | TermanaDesire: which is why I said (relatively) | 06:52 |
| wmarone | it's not free or -easy- but it's not jumping chipsets entirely | 06:52 |
| wmarone | that said, I wouldn't bother supporting anything Motorola, considering their attitude | 06:53 |
| maxamillion | wmarone: or do it just to piss them off :P | 06:54 |
| wmarone | nah, it might encourage people to mistakenly buy their hardware | 06:54 |
| maxamillion | wmarone: ah, good poitn | 06:55 |
| maxamillion | point( | 06:55 |
| maxamillion | .... | 06:55 |
| maxamillion | I swear I can type ... sometimes | 06:55 |
| DawnFoster | friendly reminder that the community office meeting starts in an hour for anyone who is interested in attending. | 06:55 |
| DawnFoster | http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings | 06:55 |
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| sofar | late night meeting? | 07:31 |
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| sofar | alright I'll log the meeting :) | 07:33 |
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| Mat_Matan | morning | 07:47 |
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| dcthang | afternoon | 08:00 |
| sofar | night :) | 08:00 |
| DawnFoster | community office meeting starting now in #meego-meeting http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meeting | 08:00 |
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| Stskeeps | there's a community meeting? man, i must have woken up late :) | 08:30 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: we're moving this meeting - we made it for this time because people from Asia said they wanted to attend | 08:33 |
| DawnFoster | but they aren't actually attending :) | 08:33 |
| DawnFoster | we | 08:33 |
| DawnFoster | oopes | 08:33 |
| * Stskeeps clings to his coffeee | 08:33 | |
| DawnFoster | we'll go back to 14:00 and 19:00 UTC | 08:33 |
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| n0id3a | hi, I just installed MeeGo on my hp mini and now it just hangs at a black screen. Anyone know how to fix it? | 08:47 |
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| wmarone | hp mini? | 08:48 |
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| wmarone | what model? | 08:48 |
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| n0id3a | 110-3030nr | 08:50 |
| DawnFoster | what graphics card? | 08:50 |
| n0id3a | looking now | 08:50 |
| DawnFoster | minimum system requirements here: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_FAQ#Will_MeeGo_work_on_my_netbook.3F | 08:51 |
| n0id3a | Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 3150 | 08:51 |
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| n0id3a | looks like it has been user verified to work..still can't find anything about the black screen though | 08:53 |
| sofar | which image did you install? | 08:55 |
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| n0id3a | meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1 | 08:58 |
| n0id3a | I shut it off and turned it back on, seems to be working now :) | 08:59 |
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| paajahe | Hi, sdk repo http://download.meego.com/live/Tools:/SDK/Trunk/ does not exist (it's pointed http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_Building_QEMU_Tools). Does anyone know what the correct repo url is at the moment? | 10:00 |
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| afief | I'm trying to compile the meego kernel through rpmbuild, but I'm getting an error saying BUILDROOT/kernel-{$version}/boot/vmlinuz-{$version} and indeed the whole BUILDROOT folder is empty. Any ideas? | 10:28 |
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| Saviq | DawnFoster: hi, sorry to be bothering you directly... can you tell me if all sponsorship approvals/denials for speakers have been sent out? I have an accepted session proposal but no info on whether I'm eligible for sponsorship or not? | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | think she's asleep | 11:43 |
| Saviq | right... -0600... | 11:43 |
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| slaine | We're having another meeting this even to discuss the remainder of approvals, hopefully we'll be sending out details soon | 11:52 |
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| arfoll | slaine: how many slots are left? | 11:53 |
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| slaine | Wouldn't be fair to say until we're finished | 11:53 |
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| arfoll | fair enough | 11:54 |
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| fabiand | hey. can someone tell me what a recommended device for meego? | 12:02 |
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| jbocklage | I'd really like to see a Buteo session... | 12:03 |
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| Jaffa | fabiand: Handset or Netbook? | 12:07 |
| fabiand | Jaffa, handset | 12:07 |
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| jbocklage | Do I have to register for the sessions? Or can I simply walk in and take part? | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | you need to sign up for the conference in general but it's free | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | cos of fire authorities there's a limit | 12:14 |
| jbocklage | I already signed up and booked flight and Hotel ;) | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | no problems then | 12:15 |
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| jbocklage | So no need for signing up to the sessions itself?! | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | you walk around at the conference | 12:15 |
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| AlexAnteMachina | hey all! | 12:37 |
| AlexAnteMachina | does anybody know when version 1.1 will show up? | 12:40 |
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| Stskeeps | on schedule, it's fixed release schedule | 12:41 |
| AlexAnteMachina | just found "october" | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | end of month, check http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.1 | 12:43 |
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| AlexAnteMachina | nicy nice, Stskeeps | 12:45 |
| AlexAnteMachina | thanks Stskeeps | 12:45 |
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| arfoll | anyone seen this ? - http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/05/nokias-meego-chief-resigns/ | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:43 |
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| wazd | wow :) | 13:44 |
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| CosmoHill | oh... | 13:45 |
| RST38h | hehe | 13:46 |
| wazd | RST38h: do you have jabber account btw? :) | 13:46 |
| RST38h | wazd: No, but I have got a gtalk one | 13:47 |
| wazd | RST38h: cause we are currently having hot OMW discussion with chair throwing and gunfire :D | 13:47 |
| RST38h | wazd: should have done it on IRC :) | 13:48 |
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| pexi_ | http://thehandheldblog.com/2010/10/04/shootout-nokia-n8-v-canon-550d-dslr/ | 13:49 |
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| RST38h | pexi: Short answer: N8 is not a DSLR. | 13:53 |
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| pexi_ | 550d pics are pretty crap by default in that test | 13:54 |
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| arfoll | RST38h, and he didn't even take any shots of anything moving fast or from indoors | 13:57 |
| RST38h | Does not matter | 13:57 |
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| CosmoHill | the N8 is very impressive, but still not a DSLR | 13:58 |
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| CosmoHill | I think my 6220c has the same number of MP as my Nikon D70 | 13:59 |
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| CosmoHill | if I want to take great pictures I'll use my DSLR, if I'm out an about and see something cool, I'll use my phone | 14:00 |
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| CosmoHill | that's depressing, two N8 phones are worth more than my car :/ | 14:03 |
| vlj | change your car ? :p | 14:03 |
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| CosmoHill | but i like my car | 14:05 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, but your car doesn't look as good as the N8 | 14:05 |
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| vlj | attach a N8 to your car | 14:05 |
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| vlj | so it can worth at least as much as a single N8 | 14:05 |
| vlj | N8 is a gps, too | 14:05 |
| sda1986 | hi all, do you think meego will be on N8? | 14:05 |
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| vlj | no | 14:06 |
| CosmoHill | so does my 6220c :) | 14:06 |
| CosmoHill | "The N8 will be the first device by Nokia with the Symbian^3 operating system." | 14:06 |
| vlj | you will never see meego on N8 | 14:06 |
| CosmoHill | sda1986: I just happen to have wikipedia open | 14:06 |
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| vlj | sda1986: buy an N900 or wait for the N9 if you want a meego device | 14:08 |
| sda1986 | with N900 i can upload the firmware I want is it right? so if someone create a special firmware \ os he can use it on n900, is n8 different than n900? | 14:08 |
| vlj | yep | 14:08 |
| vlj | firmware needs to be signed on N8 | 14:08 |
| CosmoHill | this to stop 3rd parties? | 14:09 |
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| vlj | well for warranty issue | 14:10 |
| vlj | N8 is a phone for everyone | 14:10 |
| vlj | N900 is a phone for people who like to hack :p | 14:10 |
| CosmoHill | will the n900 be cheaper now? | 14:10 |
| vlj | no idea | 14:10 |
| sda1986 | good, ok thanks to everybody | 14:10 |
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| vlj | i'm not inside nokia :p | 14:11 |
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| CosmoHill | packing form is a very good insulator | 14:14 |
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| RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/05/wetab-boss-helmut-hoffer-caught-posting-five-star-amazon-reviews/ | 14:42 |
| lcuk | thiago, ping | 14:42 |
| RST38h | [insert satanic laughter] | 14:42 |
| dm8tbr | caught red handed while astroturfing :] | 14:43 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: Should be easy to spot, cos they're the only positive reviews for it... | 14:51 |
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| thiago | lcuk: pong | 14:52 |
| vlj | I've heard that the wetab sold well in Germany, but this article on engadget tells the opposite | 14:52 |
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| vlj | the ui was faked ? | 14:53 |
| lcuk | thiago, PM >> | 14:54 |
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| vilvo | meego-qa-tools meeting at #meego-meeting in 5 mins. welcome | 14:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk / Stskeeps / someone... | 15:55 |
| timeless_mbp | there really needs to be an *easy* way for me to find sources | 15:55 |
| lcuk | yes, a map :) | 15:56 |
| timeless_mbp | ideally once my computer (mxr.meego.com) finds sources, no one else needs to, since they can merely find everything by visiting mxr | 15:56 |
| timeless_mbp | and mxr can help them find the canonical dvcs point or whatever | 15:56 |
| timeless_mbp | the way people hide stuff in gitorious is painful | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: extracting srpm is the usual way | 15:56 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | timeless_mbp: agreed | 15:56 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: mxr already does that | 15:57 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, | 15:57 |
| timeless_mbp | mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/ <-- | 15:57 |
| lcuk | mxr can list its sources? | 15:57 |
| lcuk | which server tags/branches etc it used? | 15:57 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: for dvcs based things it tends to have links back to things yeah | 15:57 |
| lcuk | I know raptor can | 15:57 |
| vilvo | meeting minutes at http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools#Meetings | 15:58 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/LICENSE click "HG Log" | 15:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | that's a link back from the cross reference to the vcs upstream | 15:58 |
| timeless_mbp | it can expose that info however people like | 15:58 |
| timeless_mbp | but at least in mozilla land we generally only expose it via file specific links | 15:59 |
| lcuk | it would be better if the official builder offered those urls | 15:59 |
| lcuk | then, you could use those to populate mxr | 15:59 |
| lcuk | or they could be used by others | 15:59 |
| lcuk | making open source, accessible source! :P | 16:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | well, i'm not picky about how we get whereever | 16:01 |
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| lcuk | indeed timeless_mbp | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | i do need to find someone soonish to start working on setting up a box @OSU | 16:01 |
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| lcuk | timeless_mbp, how is the backlog after a whole month out? and have you written up your travel report about limitations and features on the handset | 16:03 |
| timeless_mbp | priority inbox says 11,971 messages | 16:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'm not sure how compatible that is w/ my actual reading list fwiw | 16:04 |
| timeless_mbp | the real number might be closer to 14 or 15k | 16:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | around 500-600 messages in 3 mailinglists | 16:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | and 6 or so items from the work mailbox | 16:05 |
| timeless_mbp | but i caught up on work yesterday | 16:05 |
| timeless_mbp | travel report … maybe tomorrow | 16:05 |
| timeless_mbp | i need to go visit people now | 16:05 |
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| fcocuadrado | I created my OBS instance and compiled MeeGo 1.0 Core, but I've got 24 unresolvable packages that are compiled although OBS has marked them as unresolvable, the OBS error message is: "have choice for udev-rules needed by udev: udev-rules-netbook udev-rules-nokia-n900", any idea? | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | you need to put in the proper prjconf | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | it's on gitorious | 16:39 |
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| fcocuadrado | Stskeeps: I'm using MeeGo:1.0:Core prjconf file from gitorious | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | well | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | that's because we were dirty for 1.0 | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | add a Prefer: udev-rules-netbook | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | to prjconf | 16:40 |
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| fcocuadrado | Stskeeps: ok, thanks | 16:48 |
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| fcocuadrado | Another doubt, if I want to compile MeeGo to other architecture (not i586 or arm), can I edit only prjconf file to use my cross compiler? Or I have to edit all the packages? | 16:51 |
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| fcocuadrado | Stskeeps: why don't you fix prjconf file? | 16:53 |
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| Stskeeps | fcocuadrado: situation was stupid.. we had a discussion ongoing regarding big repos vs small hw repos and we had to manually merge devel:devices:n900 into the 1.0 release | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | ie, copying in rpms | 16:54 |
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| smoku | how do I bring up an interface from commandline on meego? | 17:06 |
| mcepl | does anybody know about any better channel for help with syncing N900/Maemo with syncevolution (which is a meego project, isn't it?) to synevolution as HTTP server? | 17:06 |
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| CosmoHill | mcepl: #maemo | 17:07 |
| CosmoHill | maemo != meego | 17:07 |
| mcepl | OK, thanks | 17:08 |
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| CosmoHill | smoku: "startmeego" ? | 17:08 |
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| smoku | CosmoHill, sorry. _network_ interface :) | 17:08 |
| CosmoHill | it should be started automatically | 17:09 |
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| smoku | that's not really an answer to my question | 17:09 |
| CosmoHill | try | 17:10 |
| CosmoHill | /etc/init.d/networking | 17:10 |
| CosmoHill | maybe "ifconfig" or "ip addr" | 17:10 |
| smoku | isn't there something along the lines 'ifup usb0' ? | 17:10 |
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| CosmoHill | ah, I have no idea about usb networking | 17:10 |
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| smoku | damn... maemo was a lot easier :/ | 17:11 |
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| lcuk | lbt_away, ping me when you are back | 17:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=600514#c19 is shiny | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. except it doesn't solve the issue for us, too late to fix gcc for 1.1, well, at least 0908 is where it's at | 17:57 |
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| * CosmoHill growls at a K-Level Jump search | 17:58 | |
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| qgil | hi, the MeeGo marketing plan was approved in the CO meeting some hours ago | 18:00 |
| qgil | http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Marketing | 18:00 |
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| qgil | there was not so much people at that time, if you want to ask or comment here and now, please do | 18:00 |
| qgil | otherwise your feedback is welcome in the meego-community mailing list, as usual | 18:01 |
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| Stskeeps | looks good :) looking forward to seeing it in effect | 18:02 |
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| qgil | Stskeeps: I owe you a reply to your comment about http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Marketing/About_Openness | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | no rush, was a bit of a braindump | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | regarding marketing we should really encourage various areas of meego to make demo videos to show platform capab | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWtMLs3j09U shows how capable meego on n900 is if you put proper gfx drivers to it or your own custom app | 18:06 |
| Saviq | qgil: can you tell me if all speakers' sponsorship requests have been processed? | 18:07 |
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| qgil | Saviq: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010#Time_line | 18:08 |
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| Saviq | qgil: yes, that's what I was looking at... I'm an approved speaker and haven't received any information about sponsorship | 18:08 |
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| DawnFoster | Saviq - I don't remember seeing you in the list of requests | 18:10 |
| Saviq | that's what I was afraid of :/ | 18:10 |
| DawnFoster | saviq - I'm looking into it | 18:10 |
| Saviq | I definitely checked the box when first registered | 18:10 |
| Saviq | thank you | 18:10 |
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| DawnFoster | It looks like you checked the box but didn't make it into our voting spreadsheet | 18:11 |
| qgil | Jaffa: ping :) | 18:11 |
| DawnFoster | qgil - can you look into why Saviq isn't in the spreadsheet? | 18:12 |
| qgil | this is why I was pinging Jaffa , DawnFoster | 18:12 |
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| qgil | Saviq: can you please paste the url of your session accepted? | 18:14 |
| Saviq | qgil: http://conference2010.meego.com/session/pushing-meego-internationalization-upstream | 18:14 |
| DawnFoster | we'll need to double check the rest of the list, too against the conference website report to see if we're missing anyone else | 18:15 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, Up again so soon? :) | 18:15 |
| DawnFoster | dneary: I slept in an extra hour! :) | 18:16 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, I don't know exactly what the problem is, but it doesn't feel like the real-time community office meetings are working very well any more... do you agree? | 18:16 |
| DawnFoster | got up at a leisurely 7am, instead of 6am | 18:16 |
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| DawnFoster | dneary: the ones we hold at 14:00 UTC seem to go fairly well | 18:17 |
| DawnFoster | I think the issue is more with the 05:00 UTC meeting, which we aren't doing anymore (moving back to 19:00 UTC) | 18:17 |
| dneary | It seems like a restatement of the goals & a question of assumptions might be useful. If I understand correctly, one of the goals is to increase non-Intel & Nokia participation in general community infrastructure stuff, another is to be transparent about operation & decision making. | 18:17 |
| dneary | 14h UTC is 8am for you, right? | 18:18 |
| DawnFoster | and to keep us organized around tasks with clear owners | 18:18 |
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| DawnFoster | 7am for me | 18:18 |
| CosmoHill | hey DawnFoster | 18:18 |
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| DawnFoster | hey CosmoHill - I'm on my second or third cup of tea, so moving to coherence | 18:19 |
| DawnFoster | dneary - I would like to get the meetings more focused on getting people involved in CO activities | 18:19 |
| CosmoHill | next time I'll bring a pot | 18:19 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, I wonder if meetings will help with that | 18:20 |
| DawnFoster | I've been pushing on people to include specific to do lists where people can get involved, but that's been harder for some than others | 18:20 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, Real-time communications makes it harder, not easier, to get involved | 18:20 |
| DawnFoster | dneary - one way, but certainly not the only way to get involved | 18:20 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, The weekend's coming along, by the way | 18:20 |
| DawnFoster | some people do better in meetings, some better in mailing lists / forums - the meetings aren't the only way to get involved | 18:21 |
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| dneary | I have someone who's prepared to help out with developer tools training and a trainer from KDAB who is prepared to do Qt training on Sunday morning 10am | 18:21 |
| DawnFoster | great! I've been following along and it looks like we're making good progress | 18:21 |
| DawnFoster | I'm looking forward to it | 18:21 |
| DawnFoster | I posted a news item to the front page of the conference site yesterday about the early bird events: http://conference2010.meego.com/ | 18:22 |
| DawnFoster | and made them not tentative on the schedule: http://conference2010.meego.com/program/tentative-schedule | 18:22 |
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| dneary | Thanks :) | 18:23 |
| DawnFoster | we're also getting ready to rename that tentative schedule to something less tentative and make it the main landing page for the program section | 18:24 |
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| dneary | So far we have volunteers to organise the makers contest, geocache, Qt, devel tools - still looking for volunteers for getting started with the meego SDK | 18:24 |
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| dneary | But I'm not going to do anything for the workshops (gotta leave something for Andrea!) | 18:24 |
| DawnFoster | I arrive early on Saturday morning, so I should be able to attend the whole weekend | 18:25 |
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| DawnFoster | I think we still need to check with Amy to make sure that the rooms she's tentatively set aside are going to work for what you need. | 18:26 |
| DawnFoster | it would help to have a clear section on that wiki page with all of your needs | 18:26 |
| DawnFoster | rooms that fit x people, power, wifi, etc. | 18:26 |
| dneary | Great! I'm just booking my flight | 18:26 |
| dneary | And I'm taking care of glue guns (10 of them) and lollipop sticks for a bridge building contest | 18:27 |
| dneary | I still need to get a weighing scales we can use to find the winner | 18:27 |
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| Chani | ooh, meetings | 18:27 |
| Chani | DawnFoster: where are the minutes? | 18:27 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, hehe - no idea, really | 18:28 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, Basically, 2 rooms with space for ~20 people each | 18:28 |
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| DawnFoster | dneary: yeah, but this needs to be in the wiki page | 18:28 |
| Saviq | Chani: http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/ probably? | 18:28 |
| dneary | I *think* it is | 18:28 |
| DawnFoster | I'm not finding it | 18:29 |
| DawnFoster | we need a section for requirements / logisitics / something to make it easy to find | 18:29 |
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| DawnFoster | Chani: meetings from community office meetings - http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings#Past_meetings | 18:30 |
| DawnFoster | there are also a bunch of other team meetings: sdk, localization, TSG, etc. scattered around the wiki | 18:30 |
| Chani | thanks :) | 18:30 |
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| dneary | DawnFoster, http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Early_Bird_Events#Provisional_program <= Better for you? | 18:35 |
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| ALoGeNo | hey guys | 18:54 |
| ALoGeNo | i have meego runing on htc universal :D | 18:55 |
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| ALoGeNo | i have problems with DRI stuff i think | 18:55 |
| ALoGeNo | Stskeeps, are you there, master? | 18:56 |
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| DawnFoster | dneary: what we need is something that Amy can take to the hotel to make sure you have space that works for your event. | 19:01 |
| DawnFoster | dneary: the more you leave up for interpretation the less likely you are to get space that will work | 19:01 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, I'd love your advice on what kind of space works best for this | 19:01 |
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| dneary | Ignite Portland has had a Makers Contest, hasn't it? | 19:02 |
| DawnFoster | for example, do you need chairs, tables, open spaces, power, wiki | 19:02 |
| DawnFoster | oops, wifi | 19:02 |
| DawnFoster | don't assume that you'll have all of that | 19:02 |
| DawnFoster | to be honest, we're so busy organizing the other conference activities that we don't have much time to work on this | 19:02 |
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| th3hate | Stskeeps, can i include the updated gfx drivers in 1.1.80 ready made image, or i gotta build my own? | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | th3hate: it's a development thing so let me get it into proper shape. we're planning to properly integrate it in 1.2 but we need it into kernel first | 19:09 |
| Jaffa | qgil: pong - saviq doesn't appear to appear on mshaver's report. | 19:09 |
| qgil | Jaffa: see my mail checking similar databases | 19:09 |
| qgil | anyway, let's add saviq manually | 19:10 |
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| th3hate | Stskeeps, is it true that 1.1 final wont support Qt apps or net over 3G? | 19:11 |
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| DawnFoster | dneary: nope - they do the makers contest in Seattle | 19:12 |
| dneary | I have a mental image of how it should work | 19:12 |
| DawnFoster | dneary: we just encourage people to hang out, drink beer and chat with each other before Ignite Portland :) | 19:13 |
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| dneary | Basically, take your typical foyer, set up ~10 tables for contest participants, rope that area off, and ensure there's beer for people who aren't participating | 19:13 |
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| DawnFoster | dneary, so you'll need to specify both the requirements for the day activities (sessions) and the evening activities | 19:15 |
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| DawnFoster | ok, I have to drop offline for an hour or so. | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | th3hate: first one no, second one - no ui | 19:15 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, How about you for the getting started with meego on arm tutorial? | 19:15 |
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| Stskeeps | dneary: i arrive sunday afternoon, tickets already booked | 19:16 |
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| dneary | Eeep | 19:16 |
| dneary | What time? | 19:16 |
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| Stskeeps | 2pm or so landing, then going to hotel | 19:17 |
| th3hate | Stskeeps, last quesion :P, will you include the updated gfx in 1.1.80.1 ? | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | th3hate: that's the 1.2 track and yes, once 1) it's approved for kernel inclusion and 2) they're stable enough to not cause regressions | 19:18 |
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| dneary | DawnFoster, Are the requirements & session descriptions I put up on the website OK? One room for ~30 people in classroom format for tutorials (with overhead projector) and one room for ~30 people in workgroup format (breaking into round-tables of 5-6 people) | 19:29 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | wth? | 20:50 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :P | 20:50 |
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| CosmoHill | you back home? | 20:53 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: i'm not sure if i want to ask about TSG meeting tomorrow or not so i'll just say good luck in confirming :) | 21:56 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: ha! yep, still working on it. I think we'll have it, but with fewer agenda items than anticipated, since some of them weren't ready | 21:57 |
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| Stskeeps | alright :) | 21:57 |
| CosmoHill | will we be having the comunity build server domain discuessed in tomorrows TSG?\ | 21:59 |
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| Stskeeps | isnt that CO area? | 22:01 |
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| CosmoHill | probably | 22:02 |
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| Saviq | DawnFoster: do I need to ping you / someone else again about my sponsorship issue or wait patiently now that you have your eye on it? | 22:06 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm | 22:09 |
| CosmoHill | a lot of people seem to like *.community.meego.com | 22:09 |
| CosmoHill | arfoll suggested *.extra.meego.com and lindqvust suggested "desk" and "space" | 22:10 |
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| CosmoHill | lbt_away: you about | 22:16 |
| CosmoHill | never mind your name says otherwise | 22:16 |
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| fiferboy | Hi wazd | 22:23 |
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| wazd | fiferboy: wow! Heya! How's it going? :) | 22:24 |
| RST38h | wazd: heya, still want that meeting? | 22:25 |
| fiferboy | wazd: Not bad. Hard to find free time nowadays :) | 22:25 |
| wazd | RST38h: Vlad and Paver are offline now unfortunately | 22:25 |
| DawnFoster | Saviq: we have our eye on it and plan to talk about it in a meeting later today | 22:25 |
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| Saviq | ok thank you | 22:26 |
| wazd | fiferboy: ah, new job? :) | 22:26 |
| fiferboy | wazd: Yup. Between that and the kids most of my time is accounted for | 22:26 |
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| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: I'm thinking, on thursday take all the suggested names and create a new thread on the forum with a poll :) | 22:33 |
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| fiferboy | wazd: How are things with you? | 22:39 |
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| wazd | fiferboy: well, hardworking on everything I can :) As always :) | 22:40 |
| wazd | fiferboy: trying to get to the conference :) | 22:40 |
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| fiferboy | wazd: What is the likelyhood at this point? | 22:41 |
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| wazd | fiferboy: visa :) | 22:41 |
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| wazd | fiferboy: it's a bit tricky to get there from russia :) | 22:43 |
| fiferboy | wazd: I gathered from your previous attempts. Are you hopeful this time? | 22:43 |
| wazd | fiferboy: yep :) | 22:43 |
| DawnFoster | Saviq: we found the problem - you also need to make sure that you are registered for the conference to attend at least one day | 22:44 |
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| Saviq | am I not? | 22:44 |
| DawnFoster | I think you submitted your presentation and request for sponsorship, but for some reason, you aren't showing up as registered. | 22:44 |
| DawnFoster | on your account page, you should see several checkboxes for the days you plan to attend | 22:44 |
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| DawnFoster | I think you just need to tick those boxes. | 22:44 |
| DawnFoster | regardless, we'll get you in the list to consider | 22:45 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, howdy | 22:45 |
| Saviq | DawnFoster: I have all three checked... | 22:45 |
| Saviq | should I submit again? | 22:45 |
| fiferboy | Hi GAN900, how's it going? | 22:45 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, good. Got playoff tickets for Thursday. :D | 22:46 |
| DawnFoster | Saviq: yeah, try to sign up here: http://conference2010.meego.com/meego-conference-2010-signup | 22:46 |
| DawnFoster | might just be some weird obscure bug in the site | 22:47 |
| Saviq | done | 22:47 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: :P | 22:47 |
| fiferboy | Next year Toronto will make it | 22:47 |
| Saviq | it definitely looks different (I can only cancel my signup now) but all the info was there prefilled, so it must've been sumbitted, too | 22:47 |
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| GAN900 | fiferboy, I don't doubt it. | 22:52 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, AL East is going to be a meatgrinder next year. | 22:52 |
| GAN900 | Orioles are going to destroy. | 22:52 |
| DawnFoster | Saviq: yeah, I'm pretty sure you submitted it, but it was somehow lost | 22:52 |
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| Saviq | DawnFoster: ok thank you | 22:53 |
| GAN900 | I wouldn't be surprised to see Jay/Orioles/Rays winning the division and one of the other two in the wildcard. | 22:53 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: It depends on lot on what off-season moves the Jays make, but I think the opportunity is there | 22:53 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, bullpen is key. | 22:54 |
| GAN900 | Clearly they can produce the runs. | 22:54 |
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| GAN900 | Defense is decent, too. | 22:54 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: They have to find a first baseman and figure out to do at catcher as well | 22:54 |
| fiferboy | Then there is the whole manager thing... | 22:55 |
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| GAN900 | fiferboy, yeah, that could be trouble. | 22:55 |
| lcuk | does anyone have a roundup of the devices meegotouch runs *happily* on? | 22:55 |
| GAN900 | None? | 22:56 |
| GAN900 | Avaa? | 22:56 |
| lcuk | anything bigger? | 22:56 |
| lcuk | will this wepad thing run it? | 22:57 |
| lcuk | tab thing | 22:57 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | i tried running handset on the archos9 with emgd | 23:00 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | mcompositor shits a brick | 23:00 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | the time I DID get it running, was with 1.0.80.20100827.1 | 23:00 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and mcompositor and the emgd did not get along | 23:00 |
| lcuk | thanks for data point TSCHAKeee2 | 23:00 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | black flashing of screen | 23:00 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | corruption | 23:00 |
| * CosmoHill looks at MobiGo | 23:00 | |
| TSCHAKeee2 | or sorry, 0727 | 23:00 |
| lcuk | and what runs real netbook meego best? i mean the genuine moblin backed original classic? | 23:02 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | atom CPUs with Intel 9xx GPUs | 23:03 |
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| lcuk | any with touch screens? actual device models not just chips | 23:03 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | netbook isn't really meant for touchscreens | 23:04 |
| lcuk | ie can I put it on a lenovo tablet? | 23:04 |
| lcuk | but theres no point in buying myself new hardware without touchscreen | 23:04 |
| lcuk | non-touch computers are a regression | 23:04 |
| lcuk | even my spectrum had light pen :P | 23:05 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: how about a HP tablet? | 23:06 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, yeah they are dual mode too | 23:06 |
| CosmoHill | friend at uni has one | 23:06 |
| lcuk | but expensive | 23:06 |
| lcuk | they are capacitive and have a stylus | 23:06 |
| lcuk | i think anyway | 23:06 |
| CosmoHill | his one does have a stylus | 23:06 |
| lcuk | and I know you can use it without stylus too | 23:06 |
| CosmoHill | it's basically a tablet which a screen that rotates | 23:06 |
| lcuk | yeah i nearly got one at start of the year | 23:06 |
| lcuk | but chose a 20" allinone instead | 23:07 |
| lcuk | thats now been stolen! | 23:07 |
| CosmoHill | oh yeah: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=10661#post10661 | 23:07 |
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| AlexAnteMachina | hi all | 23:07 |
| CosmoHill | hello | 23:07 |
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| AlexAnteMachina | does anybody know how to fix the certification-problem? | 23:07 |
| mece | Hello | 23:07 |
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| CosmoHill | mece: hello | 23:08 |
| CosmoHill | AlexAnteMachina: huh? | 23:08 |
| AlexAnteMachina | well, maybe i should start from the beginning: | 23:09 |
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| AlexAnteMachina | Today I've install meego on my netbook. | 23:09 |
| mece | Quick question, on this page: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Releases/Daily It says "Unfortunately no ready-made daily images for Nokia N900 are currently available. " | 23:09 |
| wmarone | it does | 23:09 |
| mece | but that is exactly what is here: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.0.99/1.0.99.0.20101001.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ | 23:09 |
| mece | isn't it? | 23:09 |
| wmarone | nope, that's a weekly IIRC | 23:09 |
| mece | ok... | 23:10 |
| mece | so we have a page for daily, but not for weekly, and there are prebuilt weeklys but not dailys. AmIright? | 23:11 |
| wmarone | correct | 23:11 |
| AlexAnteMachina | now everytime i try updating/installing it bothers me by telling the software's certification is incorrect. | 23:11 |
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| mece | Hm Perhaps there could be a link under "Releases" for the weeklys | 23:12 |
| mece | on http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 | 23:12 |
| wmarone | well, the wiki is open for editing :) | 23:12 |
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| mece | wmarone, yes, That is exactly what I'm doing, I just don't want to put the wrong info there. | 23:13 |
| lcuk | mece i bet those weekly/daily links need something automatic | 23:13 |
| lcuk | or to point to a general url which is a symlink for "today" | 23:13 |
| lcuk | or "latest" etc | 23:14 |
| mece | lcuk, meh. I was annoyed that I didn't find it right away. I think I'll make a link for http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/ | 23:14 |
| mece | lcuk, if you don't know what number comes before another, then it's your own problem. | 23:14 |
| lcuk | :) sounds like a good compromise to me mece | 23:15 |
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| mece | ok, done. | 23:27 |
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| CosmoHill | vgrade: just emailed uni about a room at cambridge | 23:34 |
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