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foowafflehey05:59
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foowafflei wondering if meego any good06:01
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GeneralAntillesWhat changed to allow the N900 images on repo.meego.com?06:18
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wmaronethey got clearance to redistribute the SGX drivers and firmware blobs06:20
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: we managed to get redistributable licenses for the few closed bits we have08:23
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StskeepsJaffa: text might be a little too sensationalist :)09:09
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rsadhuhi10:34
rsadhui need some info regarding meego platform (sim related apis)10:34
rsadhui want to know , is there any api which can be used to set the simstatus though sim card in inserted into the device10:35
rsadhuactually i need this to test some use case for my app10:35
Stskeepsofono10:35
Stskeepsor qt mobility10:35
rsadhuso i want to set  the sim status10:35
rsadhuanything10:35
rsadhui was searching in qtmobility10:35
rsadhubut i cudnt find any such api which can set the sim status10:36
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rsadhuhttp://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.0-tp/qsystemdeviceinfo.html10:36
rsadhui looked into this10:36
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rsadhubut cudnt find anything which i need10:37
rsadhuso is there any way10:37
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TermanaDesirersadhu: use dbus to communicate with ofono to find out what you need then10:38
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rsadhuofono?? whats that10:39
rsadhuthats some service which dbus can communincate to10:39
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ljpwhy would you want to set the sim status?10:40
TermanaDesireOfono is a part of the telephony stack for meego10:40
rsadhuok10:40
rsadhui want it to simulate one use case10:41
rsadhucalled hotswap10:41
rsadhui m working on javascript extensions10:41
rsadhuso there is one use case10:41
rsadhuwhere i need to do this10:41
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rsadhu@TermanaDesire :: can you please guide , how would i use the dbus to query from ofono ?10:42
ljplook into ofono and phonesim, unless you need a real sim10:42
rsadhuany example10:42
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ljprsadhu: in qsysteminfo's master branch would be the connman/ofono code10:43
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ljpthere is also some in meego repo10:45
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TermanaDesirersadhu: I suggest you Google for an explaination10:46
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rsadhuok thanks10:47
rsadhufor help10:47
TermanaDesireI'm not so great at giving lengthy explainations and examples from a virtual keyboard that likes to auto correct things not in it's dictionary ;p10:47
rsadhu:)10:47
rsadhuha ha:)10:47
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e2ejos laitain leave tai part komennon niin sanoo 10:35 -!- Sage_: No such channel11:03
e2esorry, wrong channel11:04
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Sage_? :)11:04
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thiagoStskeeps: ping11:24
Stskeepspong11:24
thiagohardfp: do you know the latest?11:24
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* thiago has just got a report saying that softfp introduces severe performance penalties11:24
Stskeepsthiago: well, i haven't heard anything new in my communication channels11:24
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thiagodo you know of a task in the bugtracker?11:25
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Stskeepsthiago: there's also a problem that hardfp and softfp is ABI incompatible (i believe) and in addition to that, fennec breaks with it atm..11:25
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thiagothat's the point11:26
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thiagowe should *really* choose hardfp now to avoid breakage in the future11:26
Stskeepswith 20 days before release? :P11:26
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thiagoHarmattan is switching to hardfp. If MeeGo doesn't switch, apps will be ABI-incompatible.11:27
Stskeepsthiago: well, i've tried to raise that point before but noone took heed, if you can raise hell about it better within the organisation, that'd be good11:27
thiagoI will11:27
thiagothat's why I am asking if you know of a task :-)11:27
Stskeepsthiago: and people really need to start running test suites of 'does this binary app work on both H and meego arm'11:28
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Stskeepsi know for a fact qtopengl tying to libGLESv2.so (without .2 suffix) will break11:28
thiagothen again, it's probably a bad idea to do that11:28
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Stskeepsqtopengl apps, that is11:28
thiagothey're different Linux distros11:28
TermanaDesireIs harmattan *suppose* to be ability compatible though?11:29
TermanaDesireAbi11:29
Stskeepsthiago: i think there exists some kind of marketing belief that an app for meego arm would work on harmattan arm..11:29
Stskeepsor reverse11:30
Stskeeps(if only using meego apis)11:30
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thiagowe've been telling linux users not to install binaries from another distro for 20 years11:30
thiagoStskeeps: OpenGL doesn't count. The driver makes need to clean up their mess first.11:31
Stskeeps:nod:11:31
thiagomake *one* library that works in GL and GLES11:31
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thiagosettle on the API and ABI for it, then we'll start publicising it11:31
thiagootherwise, stick to QPainter and QML if you want code that works in both.11:31
Stskeepswell, it's more along lines of inadvertent link dependancies11:31
* thiago checks if qmake adds the GL libraries11:32
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Venemohey guys11:32
Venemohttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=832817#post83281711:33
Venemois this serious?11:33
StskeepsVenemo: keep in mind what is being released: a platform, default images may not have xterm but it's entirely possible to make your own image or install one11:33
Stskeepsin fact, n900 images have ssh open over usb11:33
Venemoquote: "In a surprising turn of events, the next major release of MeeGo (1.1, which is due this month), may not ship with an email client (due to quality issues in it); a terminal to access the underlying OS or the ability to run any third party Qt applications."11:33
Venemowell11:33
thiagoyes, qmake auto-adds CONFIG += opengl when you link to QtOpenGL11:33
thiagowhich adds the GL libs11:33
StskeepsVenemo: and the E-mail client is broken beyond belief, so not getting included (a buggy app is worse than the lack of it)11:34
VenemoStskeeps: if it won't be able to run 3rd party apps, then how can I run one? :D11:34
StskeepsVenemo: third party apps issue is a bug in the compositor we're insisting on getting fixed11:34
StskeepsVenemo: all the source for the email client etc is there, though11:34
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Stskeepsthe headline is a bit sensationalist11:34
VenemoStskeeps: I agree11:35
thiagoVenemo: install kontact mobile if you want an email client11:35
lcukyou wrote the sensationist part of it though Stskeeps11:35
VenemoStskeeps: okay, but what does this 3rd party app thing mean?11:35
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VenemoStskeeps: is there no way in MeeGo to run 3rd party apps or what?11:35
Stskeepsno..11:35
Stskeepsin fact, i just ran xterm earlier after killing mdecorator11:35
lcukthiago, that would be fine except for the "no 3rd party apps" thing11:35
StskeepsVenemo: it just means there's a bug in the compositor that non-MeegoTouch apps don't view properly11:35
thiagolcuk: oops11:36
VenemoStskeeps: aaah... well that's serious11:36
StskeepsVenemo: yes and someone didn't see the whole implication of not marking this bug srious11:36
lcuknot worried about lack of official apps or placeholders, its getting other apps running11:36
lcukmaemo has compatability for lots of frameworks11:36
Stskeepshence the bug..11:36
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Stskeepsgive people time to answer, it was weekend :)11:37
Stskeepsit's a bug, not a policy11:37
VenemoStskeeps: so in fact I can run 3rd party apps, but the non-MeeGoTouch apps will look ugly?11:37
VenemoStskeeps: what about Gtk/Hildon?11:37
TermanaDesireNon-meegotouch apps wont show11:37
StskeepsVenemo: the problem is a bug in the compositor that needs to be fixed11:37
Stskeepsand ugly is only if they look ugly in general11:38
TermanaDesire;p11:38
VenemoStskeeps: ahm, and what about the part that says that this is "not targeted for 1.1"?11:38
lcukdoes meegotouch work on symbian?  what do you write qt apps targetting symbian with?11:39
StskeepsVenemo: that's the part about someone not understanding the implications of a bug.11:39
StskeepsVenemo: it can be interpreted as 'no 3rd party apps in 1.1 at all' which is an insane interpretation as we might as well not publish a SDK then11:40
StskeepsVenemo: which isn't what it means11:40
StskeepsVenemo: the problem is that even qt apps are getting broken by this :)11:40
VenemoStskeeps: I get it, thanks for explaining :)11:40
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VenemoStskeeps: I heard that people can now make phone calls with new MeeGo images on the N90011:41
Stskeepsand again, remember that 1) it's a platform 2) we're forced into a fixed release schedule 3) noone says things won't be fixed in 1.1 post-release 4) what's ready and quality by release gets in11:41
Stskeepsand 5) you can base your own end-user system on top of it11:41
StskeepsVenemo: yes11:41
StskeepsVenemo: and no pesky eula11:41
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VenemoStskeeps: that's good to hear11:42
Venemohm11:42
Venemoin the end, are there homescreen widgets in MeeGo?11:43
Stskeepsi think there's support except we don't have any11:43
Venemothat's great news11:43
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Venemoand will the Nokia Qt SDK support MeeGo?11:43
VenemoI heard alterego had success with making a MeeGo sysroot for MADDE11:44
Stskeepsi bloody hope so :)11:44
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Venemoand... is there Maemo-like multiple homescreens?11:45
Stskeepsdunno11:45
sx0ni believe so.11:46
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JaffaStskeeps: Sensationalist might get it the attention it deserves.11:47
JaffaStskeeps: I did try and make it clear that MeeGo 1.1 is not an end-user platform; but it was Sunday, and late, and I may have misworded it.11:47
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Stskeeps:nod:11:49
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StskeepsVenemo: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=832839&postcount=511:53
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VenemoStskeeps: thanks!12:02
Stskeepsin fact i think people should start organising12:02
Stskeeps:P12:02
Venemoorganising what?12:02
Stskeepsend-user targetted meego-based distro on n90012:03
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Stskeepsbased on top of 1.112:03
JaffaTBH, productising MeeGo as it is right now looks hard. MTF/Qt seems to have things which are scrollable which shouldn't be; massive gaps in the themeing etc.12:03
StskeepsJaffa: agreed, 1.2 should be easier12:03
lcukStskeeps, you mention the Nokia Meego, Suse Meego etc having all the mp3 codecs12:03
* Jaffa 'd rather stick with M5 and maybe play with Harmattan HE12:03
lcukdoes the default netbook install include those things?12:04
Jaffalcuk: Nope12:04
Stskeepslcuk: no12:04
lcukahh12:05
Venemomp3 is considered patent-encumbered, so the free software people don't like to include it in their projects12:06
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Venemoanyways, I think we could "borrow" some components from Maemo 512:07
lcuks how do people play their music in meego at all, do they dualboot a regular media player ? :p12:07
StskeepsVenemo: i wouldn't bother, just wait for 1.2 and ackport our DSP codecs12:07
Stskeepsthey're free to download, too, we just can't host them on meego.com12:07
lcukour DSP codecs?12:08
Stskeepswell, TI's12:08
lcukfrom which distro?12:08
VenemoStskeeps: if 1.2 is released, what's the point of backporting stuff from 1.2 to 1.1? why don't we simply run 1.2 from then on?12:08
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StskeepsVenemo: mostly because there's a scary as hell phase to end-users called 'invasive changes'12:09
lcukVenemo, LTS dictates that you maintain stable ABI and component surface against the 1.1 release12:09
VenemoLTS=?12:09
lcukeven with a newer 1.2 release12:09
lcuknot everyone is capable of moving12:10
stephgDo you mean LTS or LSB?12:11
lcukVenemo, long term support, not directly a meegoism but it explains why you dont simply stop making a branch available12:11
stephgah12:11
Venemolcuk: I don't thing the community can do that. If we can keep up with the latest MeeGo releases, that in itself is a miracle12:12
TermanaDesirelcuk: I think 1.2 would make a better LTS target at the moment anyway12:12
lcuksure12:12
StskeepsVenemo: i think you're quite well equipped for it actually12:12
lcukbut based on what Stskeeps said about backporting12:12
StskeepsVenemo: several people know how to build images from .ks'es, people have OBS experience..12:12
Stskeepsin fact, i think even lcuk could do it12:13
Stskeeps;p12:13
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Venemowell, I dunno12:13
* lcuk is actually downloading: http://download3.meego.com/sep09/meego-handset-ia32-1.0.80.9.20100706.1-sdk-pre0901.raw.tar.bz212:13
lcukthis very second :)12:13
Stskeepswith the fact we don't have any pesky eulas anymore, the road should be open12:14
Venemois there a list about what is missing from MeeGo 1.1 that is necessary for a good end user experience?12:14
Venemoe-mail client is one12:14
lcukVenemo, short answer: quite a bit12:14
StskeepsVenemo: we can start with power management.12:14
VenemoStskeeps: what about it?12:14
Stskeepsdevice gets awfully hot and uses a lot of power :)12:14
Stskeepswe plan to work on this in 1.212:14
Stskeeps(same kernel version)12:14
VenemoStskeeps: so it depletes the battery too soon?12:15
Stskeepsright12:15
Venemowell, that means that I won't have MeeGo for another half year :)12:15
StskeepsVenemo: the point is that if people start working on it now and provides a 'community-minded' remix as 1.2 development goes on, we have something in short term, as well as an empowered community by 1.2 releases12:15
lcukwhats the netbook story turning out like, are qt apps happily running there12:16
Stskeepsin practice it'd be about shuffling around packages and building images12:17
VenemoStskeeps: yeah, but if the "something in short term" is barely usable at best, what's the point?12:17
VenemoStskeeps: sorry for the rude question12:17
StskeepsVenemo: you're right - and that's where the 1.2 bits come in12:17
Stskeepscos we are going to devote a lot of time to make things usable12:17
VenemoStskeeps: good news12:17
VenemoStskeeps: and when is 1.2 due to arrive?12:18
Stskeepsin 6 monts12:18
Stskeepshs12:18
Stskeepswith full open repositories from day one (already there now)12:18
Stskeepsand weekly images12:18
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lcukVenemo, supposing the widgets story needed improvement.  as a developer you know how much of a building site things are12:21
Venemolcuk, yes I do12:21
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lcukyou also know about whats needed for your app, how about you have a look at just what support there is now and what you believe you may need12:22
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Venemolcuk, well, non-MeeGoTouch apps currently don't work at all. So that's the end of the story for my app right now12:23
StskeepsVenemo: yeah.. and that bug needs fixing :)12:24
Stskeepswe can all agree on that12:24
Venemothe other thing is that I would be interested in is homescreen widgets. Noone seems to know about them. Is there a wiki page or something that can tell me how to create a homescreen widget for the MeeGo handset UX?12:24
lcukyup12:24
lcukVenemo, it might simply not be in place yet.12:25
lcuksince people have not been trying to run anything else or make their own apps12:25
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Venemolcuk, well, Stskeeps said that the UX is capable of showing homescreen widgets, just they don't have any12:26
Stskeepsi think it is, but i haven't looked closely12:26
Venemoso, is there anyone on this channel who knows something about this?12:27
lcukwe need a live meegocam12:27
Venemomeegocam?12:28
lcuktimelapse snapshots of whats being hacked on on meego as commits and merge requests are accepted12:28
Venemomhm12:29
Aardabout meegotouch, there's an update to .45 staged right now, which should fix lots of bugs present in the (completely outdated) meegotouch .25 released with 1.112:29
Venemobtw, what does MeeGo use for package management? rpm+yum?12:30
Stskeepsrpm+zypper12:30
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Venemowhy not yum?12:30
StskeepsVenemo: python isn't the fastest on embedded devices and zypper is fast12:31
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Venemoheh, yum is written in python?12:32
Venemolol, I didn't know12:32
psycho_oreosit is12:32
Venemopsycho_oreos: okay, then, it was the right decision12:32
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psycho_oreosVenemo, probably12:35
Venemoout of the images on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php which is the one that I can flash to the N900 with the flasher tool?12:37
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Stskeepsdon't use those12:38
Venemowhy not?12:38
Stskeepsand you need a microsd, and get it from repo.meego.com12:38
Stskeepscos they're obsolete already :)12:38
Venemono way I'm gonna install it to a microsd12:39
Stskeepswell, no other way atm12:39
Stskeepswe don't support NAND installs, system is too big and we don't want a /opt nightmare again12:39
lcukhm Venemo whats up with microsd install?12:39
VenemoI'd like to flash it to the rootfs. with that, I could compare the speed of the System to Maemo12:40
StskeepsVenemo: not possible, sorry - we exceeded the space 5 months back :)12:40
Stskeepsthe future is emmc installs or microsd12:40
Stskeeps(NAND is only ~240mb worth of compressed space)12:41
VenemoStskeeps: this is just plain awful.12:41
Stskeepsalso, we're doing this so people can continue using maemo without destroying it12:41
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Venemowell I prefer to use one OS at a time12:42
Venemoso the NAND is gonna be sitting there empty, and we will live with the thought that its speed could have been used for something useful, but it isn't.12:42
Venemogreat!12:42
StskeepsVenemo: we plan to use it for swap12:42
VenemoStskeeps: good idea12:43
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lcukVenemo, consider the current maemo install as a safe base camp :)12:43
VenemoStskeeps: it'll be faster than the current swap on the eMMC12:43
VenemoStskeeps: very good point actually12:43
Venemolcuk, I don't like dual boot systems12:43
timeless_mbpStskeeps:  so um12:43
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timeless_mbpsomeone poked me to look at mxr.meego.com /meego/ v. /repo.meego.com/12:44
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timeless_mbpafaik there's no vcs for certain pieces of meego (e.g. the compiler), is that correct?12:44
lcuktimeless_mbp, I know docS in #maemo noticed some mxr problems12:44
timeless_mbplcuk: there was a box change for mxr.maemo.org a while ago which resulted in glimpse not being binary compat w/ the new glibc12:44
timeless_mbpi fixed that yesterday12:45
lcukoh cool beans! :D12:45
timeless_mbpand would people rather have certain "gaps" filled in, or is it ok to have things missing12:45
* timeless_mbp takes a moment to kick git for being "odd"12:45
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: yes, it's upstream sources with minimal patches12:45
lcukI think just do what you can normally and fill in as and when they are noticed?12:45
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timeless_mbpuser:        timeless <timeless@gmail.com>12:46
timeless_mbpdate:        Mon Oct 04 11:01:42 2010 +090012:46
timeless_mbpsummary:     Merge branch 'master' of git://gitorious.org/tracker/tracker12:46
timeless_mbpdoes git always do that?12:46
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thiagotimeless_mbp: do you know anything about an issue on fennec with hardfp?12:50
timeless_mbphrm12:50
timeless_mbpwhich compiler is this12:50
thiagogcc 4.4/4.512:50
timeless_mbpand keep in mind that i just got back from a month long vacation yesterday12:50
thiagojust asking if you've heard of this12:51
* timeless_mbp hopes people have blacklisted 4.5.012:51
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Stskeepsthiago: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60051412:54
Stskeepsthe crash in question isn't hardfp specific though, but note comments12:54
cyberjamesHi. Is mail logs located in /var/log/maillog ?12:55
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bunkStskeeps: Is the known xulrunner 1.9.2 miscompile with cs2009q3 fixed in this tc?13:01
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Stskeepsbunk: you'll have to give me some more details than that :)13:03
bunkhttp://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4511213:03
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timeless_mbpthiago: technically i read that bug this morning :o13:03
timeless_mbpthiago: the bug basically describes it as "we're doing something that isn't remotely supported but existing code and expecting miracles to happen"13:05
timeless_mbp= we're stupid13:05
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timeless_mbpStskeeps: i'll visit work sometime today and talk to people about splitting the bug into useful work items13:06
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timeless_mbpbecause there should be <xpcom: add support for hardfp arm abi>, <nanojit: add support for hardfp arm abi>, <jm: add support for hardfp arm abi>13:06
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: right, the funny part is that the crash happens on meego softfp too..13:07
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: so i think it's not only hardfp :)13:07
timeless_mbpexactly the same crash?13:07
ShadowJK"softfp allows the generation of floating point instructions, but still uses the soft-float calling conventions."13:08
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: yes, same backtrace13:08
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: happened after our 0908 snapshot13:08
Stskeeps(gcc 4.5)13:08
timeless_mbpiirc it's possible to build w/o jit/jm13:09
timeless_mbpyou could try that13:09
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Stskeeps:nod:13:09
* timeless_mbp ponders13:09
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Stskeepsi spent a week diving into the crashes we had on startup in fennec and ended up with a solution that works13:09
timeless_mbphow do i move 10gb of photos from my eMMC to my mac?13:09
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Stskeepsi don't intend to spend another hour with fennec unless i'm ordered to :P13:10
timeless_mbpah, that's better13:10
timeless_mbp(for some reason only the uSD card was exported the first time, now the eMMC is too)13:11
ShadowJKStskeeps, so are you changing -mfloat-abi=softfp to -mfloat-abi=hard or something?13:11
StskeepsShadowJK: not in meego13:12
StskeepsShadowJK: at least that's not how it is atm13:12
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ShadowJKStskeeps, which was is it now?13:13
Stskeepssoftfp13:13
ShadowJKok, and you're letting it remain that way, right?13:15
ShadowJKboth short-term and long-term?13:15
Stskeepswell, i don't know what architecture will decide13:15
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ShadowJKSo when you speak of hardfp vs floatfp, it's about -mfpu=?13:16
Stskeepsfloat-abi13:16
Stskeepsafaik13:16
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bunk-mfloat-abi=13:18
ShadowJKso have you recently changed this from -mfloat-abi=softfp to something else, or recently changed from something else?13:18
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Stskeepsnone, flags have been static in meego13:19
ShadowJKI'm a bit confused because you talk as if you've got two versions, or are in the middle of a transition shaking out bugs from that13:20
StskeepsShadowJK: harmattan's hardfp, meego's not..13:21
ShadowJKoh13:21
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ShadowJKok, that's a bit wtf :)13:22
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lcukStskeeps, :P this will amuse you http://www.lolpix.com/pictures/4/Funny_Pictures_880.htm13:57
lcukbest come back to your blog post I have seen :D13:57
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thiagofabo: ping14:19
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fabothiago: pong14:20
thiagofabo: mobility 1.1 packages, do we have them?14:20
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fabothiago: we have Qt Mobility packages from master branch14:21
fabothiago: we're skipping 1.114:21
thiagofabo: so you're on 1.2-pre ?14:21
faboyes14:21
thiagohow about meego 1.1, will that ship 1.0?14:21
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faboMeeGo 1.1 ships QtMobility 1.0.214:21
thiagook, thanks for the help14:22
faboMeeGo 1.2 will ship QtMobility 1.2.x14:22
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bunkStskeeps: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=600514#c1914:55
thiagoStskeeps: that task is that the JIT doesn't understand the hardfp ABI14:56
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bunkthiago: I think you have two completely different problems here14:57
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thiagobunk: could be15:11
thiagobut the JIT issue would affect webkit too15:11
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dnearytroubalex, Ping?16:19
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fabothiago: what's QMeeGoGraphicsSystemHelper?16:23
thiagointernal stuff16:23
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thiagoit's an internal library for controlling the meego graphics system16:23
thiagono SC or BC guarantees16:23
thiagoit might disappear in future versions16:23
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troubalexdneary: my fault. another try. pong.16:49
dnearytroubalex, I see you now :)16:49
dnearytroubalex, I was indeed waiting for the notification, doing something else at same time16:49
troubalexdneary: I figured16:49
troubalexdneary: I have a case of the Mondays16:50
troubalex;)16:50
dnearytroubalex, I think andy80 (Andrea Grandi) might be around here somewhere too...16:50
troubalexcoo16:50
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troubalex+l16:50
dnearytroubalex, Seems not... never mind.16:50
leinirNo... No man, no. I believe you'd get your ass kicked saying somethin' like that, man. ;)16:51
dnearytroubalex, So - for the early bird events, you think you can help out?16:51
troubalexdneary: it depends.16:51
troubalexdneary: I am trying to figure out what you're actually thinking :)16:52
dnearyOK16:52
dnearyLet me help with that16:52
troubalexI suggest pestering Till/Mirko for the introduction16:52
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dnearyYeah, my thoughts too16:53
troubalexthey basically pull that out of their drawers...16:53
troubalexhands-on might be more something we could do16:53
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dnearyso basically, for people arriving in Dublin earlier (Saturday or Sunday) we thoughht it would be nice to have some geeky type stuff over the weekend in the hotel16:53
dnearySo we asked whether there might be some room and we're sorting that out now16:54
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dnearyWe're looking for 2 rooms for 20-30 people with power & network in the hotel16:54
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* troubalex nods16:54
pexi_gets quite crowded in those rooms16:54
dnearyOne room will be existing developers looking for help with problems, meeting up with experts in the domain (what we're calling workshops or hands-on sessions)16:54
troubalexah!16:55
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troubalexokay, now it makes more sense16:55
troubalexwhich domains are you looking at?16:55
dnearyOne room more traditional tutorial/training sessions, with a trainer, giving an overview of some aspect of meego development, helping people to get startedd16:55
troubalexmm16:55
dnearyRight now, I'm thinking Qt, MeeGo SDK, and Linux developer tools16:56
dneary(seem like the biggest areas where we can help people get a foot-hold)16:56
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dnearyAt the end of those 3 sessions, you will be (more) comfortable with git, gdb, valgrind, and have a meego sdk up & running on your laptop, and be able to get a simple sample Qt app up & running in it16:57
dneary(if you go to one, but not the others, then they should still be useful)16:57
janiim trying to get dublin already on the weekend too.16:57
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dnearyjani, Cool16:57
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dnearytroubalex, I'm also organising a bridge building contest :)16:58
dnearyAnd we'll be having a geocache too16:58
troubalexdneary: okay, I'm with you. that is for the training sessions or the hands-on ones?16:59
troubalexbridge building contest???16:59
dnearytroubalex, Yeah16:59
dnearyOut of lollipop sticks16:59
troubalexlol16:59
alexbodnhello friends,16:59
alexbodncould any android device be run by meego?16:59
dnearyChill-out practical stuff to finish the day :)16:59
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dnearyalexbodn, I'm aware of a project to get MeeGo handset working on a Nexus One, but I have no idea how far along it is (and I would not try it on my phone!)17:00
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troubalexdneary: I was very amused about the "fun-run"17:01
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alexbodndneary: are your doubts based on some closed source drivers used by android?17:01
dnearytroubalex, That's because Dirk likes to go for a jog in the morning, and this way it gets on the agenda :)17:01
Termanaalexbodn, status for all the ports available to Android based phones are basically here: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD17:02
troubalexdneary: how can it be fun to run 5k in the middle of the night?17:02
troubalexany how17:02
troubalexdneary: hands-on session Qt.17:02
dnearyalexbodn, You might be interested in Aaron Williamson's project to have a completely free android-based OS for the Google G1. He's nearly there (but yes, some hardware has proprietary drivers)17:02
dnearytroubalex, I'm going to go for a jog :)17:02
dnearytroubalex, That's the only time to do it, when you're at a conference17:02
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troubalexdneary: exactly why I don't :-P17:03
alexbodndneary, i understand, thanks. i'll follow the link to know more :)17:03
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troubalexdneary: hands-on sessions?17:05
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dnearytroubalex, The hands-on sessions are more like "meet the exdpert"17:05
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troubalexdneary: exactly.17:06
troubalexdneary: any candidates you have in mind?17:06
dnearytroubalex, Sessions we have in mind are: porting to MeeGo, Hands-on Qt, hackathon17:07
dnearytroubalex, These sessions are still in early days - for the tutorials we're a bit further along.17:07
troubalexdneary: okay, I think I know someone who could do hands-on Qt on Sunday afternoon17:07
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dnearyWe also want a UX workshop - have UX designers appraise & work on a design for existing developers17:07
dnearytroubalex, We're still working out the timetable (so far, a lot of people would like to do something on Sunday afternoon, not so many of Saturday afternoon ;) )17:08
troubalexhehe17:08
troubalexdneary: you can try to charm Thiago into booking an earlier flight ;)17:09
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troubalexdneary: otherwise we can try to find some KDE peeps for example17:09
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dnearyFor many of the sessions, there's a decent chance that we'll be seeing community developers be "the experts" - esp. around getting started on ARM and similar.17:16
dnearydeveloper tools will be a community session too.17:16
troubalexI guessed so.17:16
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troubalexdneary: just keep me in the loop as you go along and we can figure something out.17:24
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dnearytroubalex, OK, will do17:25
troubalexdneary: I'll introduce you to someone, maybe that helps.17:25
dnearytroubalex, I'll pencil Thiago in to help out with the hands-on Qt session17:25
troubalexdneary: he's got tons on his plate. just keep that in the back of your head17:25
dnearytroubalex, I'll let him know you volunteered him & said he should take a flight on Saturday :)17:25
troubalexhehe17:26
dnearytroubalex, It really was not nice of you to do that without asking him first ;)17:26
troubalexdneary: I did ask him :-P17:27
dnearyah17:27
* troubalex grew up in a furnished home17:27
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qgilHi there, does this link work for you?  http://meegozone.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/MeeGo-Openness-White-Paper.pdf17:34
* Stskeeps looks17:35
fiferboyDoes anyone know if sponsorship for the conference is still on schedule as listed on http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010#Time_line17:36
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Stskeepsqgil: works for me17:36
Termanaqgil, doesn't work for me17:36
qgilit seems to be quantic link  :)17:36
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qgilI find people that make it work, some other don't. I only get  "Page Not Found"17:38
qgilcan some other people try? To see the frequence of the problem17:38
qgilStskeeps Termana what browser OS are you using?17:38
fiferboyqgil: Page Not Found17:38
Stskeepsqgil: ubuntu, firefox 3.6.617:39
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qgilStskeeps: and can you download the pdf?17:39
Termanaqgil, I'm using Chrome 5.0.375.70 in Ubuntu 10.0417:39
fiferboyqgil: ubuntu, Chrome dev version17:39
Stskeepsqgil: yes17:39
qgilok, Fireforx downloads, Chrome doesn't since I'm using the one in MeeGo  :)17:39
qgilpattenr found - thanks!17:40
ayanesstill open the possibility to teach some long session at early bird event?17:40
Termanaqgil, no17:40
Termanaqgil, I just tried in Firefox 3.6.3 - it still won't download17:40
qgilfiferboy: we are quiteon schedule deciding about sponsorship requests BUT Angela from The Linux Foundation was busy with LinuxCon Japan last week and didn't send any emails. Today, hopefully.17:41
qgilThanks Termana - that is even more weird17:41
fiferboyqgil: Thanks!  I know I can't be the only one anxious to hear :)17:41
qgilanyway, I'll let know the meegozone people - Stskeeps do you mind uploading the pdf somewhere at wiki.meego.com ? I got Intel¡'s permission17:42
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qgilayanes: Andrea and Thomas Perl are coordinating the Early Birds17:43
ayanesok17:43
ayanesthanks17:43
* thiago heard of the early bird today17:43
thiagoprobably should take that into account when reserving flights17:44
qgilthiago: did you read the email we sent to all the conference participants (or even all the meego.com users) last week17:44
qgilthiago: i'LL TRY TO LAND ON sATURDAY MORNING17:44
qgiloops17:44
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ayanesthp are you around ?17:45
thiagoqgil: I don't remember reading it17:46
thiagothe "status update" ?17:46
Stskeepsqgil: http://wiki.meego.com/File:MeeGo-Openness-White-Paper.pdf17:47
* thiago sees it now17:47
qgilthiago: this was the content http://conference2010.meego.com/news/meego-conference-status-update17:47
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qgilStskeeps: thanks a lot!17:47
thiagoI haven't reserved hotel either17:47
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* Chani notes that there are 10 euro hostel beds available - oh! I haven't booked yet either...17:50
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thpayanes: yes, around18:07
ayanesI checked the wiki about the early bird event18:08
ayanesdo you have someone for the Qt workshop?18:08
thiagofor hosting it?18:08
thpi don't think we have. achipa said in the thread that FN is available for doing Qt-ish sessions18:09
thiagoQt and KDAB are also available18:09
ayanesthe think is the material that we have is for 2 hours 30 minutes ~18:09
ayanesand we got 40 minutes..18:09
ayanesso maybe we can teach also in the weekend18:09
ayanes(for libmeegotouch)18:09
thiagowe can't help with that (Qt or KDAB)18:10
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thpayanes: can you add information about your sessions + contact info to http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Early_Bird_Events ("Ideas for the program")?18:11
ayanessure18:11
thpin "Session ideas". if you add some background about yourself and contact info (i.e. user profile link) that will help later on18:12
ayanesok18:13
thpthanks :)18:13
ayanesnp18:14
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ayanesthp done18:27
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jbocklageI'd really like to hear/talk/work something about/with Buteo on Sunday (early bird)... Can I suggest this on the wiki page?18:40
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sivangwho's the person to talk to about the conference sponsorship ?19:04
qgilsivang: hi  :)19:04
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qgilsivang: what do you need to know?19:05
sivangqgil: see PM19:06
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qgilhi, to everybody contacting me about sponsorship: we haven't send any emails yet - hopefullt this week (even today/tomorrow) we will start sending them19:22
qgilhttp://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010#Sponsored_participants contains all the info19:22
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Stskeepsqgil: how bad marketing wise is it if Qt applications simply don't work on MeeGo 1.1 Handset?19:25
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qgilStskeeps: what I'm expected to answer you :)19:25
Stskeepsi don't know :P i'm troubled by http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7881 which really makes everyone involved look like idiots, which is hard for me19:26
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wmaroneuhwow19:28
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wmaroneyeah, there's some broken lines of communication going on here if something that critical is rejected as a blocker...19:30
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amjadagreed19:30
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wmaroneI wonder if this a non-issue on the Aava handset, which might give the Intel team a skewed perspective...?19:32
Stskeepsit happens even on handset SDK19:32
Stskeepsto my knowledge19:32
wmaroneyikes19:33
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sivangStskeeps: it's not isolated to middleware/kernel/qt level? such a bug surely should be experienced on netbook or othe rplatforms as well?19:34
* sivang still reads the bug report19:34
Stskeepssivang: it's isolated to the mcompositor implementation and simple to do something about19:34
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qgilStskeeps: is yours a bug against http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2959 (that appears as FIXED) ?19:35
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sivangStskeeps: what's holding you from fixing it then?19:36
berndhsStskeeps: I don't follow the "too risky" judgement in the rejection, it seems that basically all of the Qt development on the UX target is broken, so what further risk is there?19:36
Stskeepssivang: there seems to be a weird statement that it's not a release blocker19:36
Stskeepsqgil: yes, i guess that's the feature area19:36
qgilStskeeps: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3943 isn't this just a dupe (or yours is a dupe of that one)19:37
Stskeepsqgil: it's same cause, yes, rejected for 'we have no third party apps targeted for 1.1 '19:38
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wmaronesomeone needs to be hounded for using that as an excuse to not block 1.119:40
Stskeepsqgil: in practice it means that our developer story breaks down. i can't sit down with qt creator and make an app that will run in a meego 1.1 handset ux19:40
qgili see19:41
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qgilcommenting on these bugs...19:41
berndhsStskeeps: with this bug, why would any 3rd party target 1.1 ?19:41
Stskeepsunless i use MTF, which is actually against what is recommended to do19:41
wmaroneberndhs: precisely, no one would even bother with exploratory development19:41
Stskeepsberndhs: the APIs are what matters19:42
berndhsStskeeps: right, so it looks like apps based on the regular Qt API can't be verified on the UX19:43
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sivangand MTF is okay to go?19:43
Stskeepsi wouldn't be this passionate about if it wasn't for the fact i believe that not fixing it is a really bad mistake to make for an up-and-coming platform :/19:44
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sivangStskeeps: this of all the people who would like to try this demo on it..19:46
sivangwhere opengl is hot subject and we're getting asked about it daily19:47
Stskeepsit's all qt demos19:47
Stskeeps:P19:47
sivangs/opengl/qtgl/19:47
infobotsivang meant: where qtgl is hot subject and we're getting asked about it daily19:47
sivang;)19:47
* sivang looks to vote19:47
* Stskeeps has some soup19:48
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sivangStskeeps: what's the packaging aspects to this? or should I read on? :p19:52
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Stskeepshmm?19:53
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sivangStskeeps: "Simple packaging tutorial does not work with Handset UX."19:53
sivangStskeeps: is this related to the compositor?19:54
Stskeepssivang: yes, because it concerns the archetype meego app, a Qt app19:54
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ChaniStskeeps: wow. >.<19:55
Stskeepsqgil: thanks19:56
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qgilStskeeps: and http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2959#c420:02
GAN900qgil, out of interest, are we still on schedule on the queue listed on the wiki page?20:02
qgilGAN900: which queue / wiki page? (I have some to queues to choose from)  :)20:02
Stskeepsqgil: :nod: cc'ing myself on the feature20:02
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JaffaStskeeps: Looks like 7881 is going the same way as the others.20:04
JaffaStskeeps: Who is Hilary?20:04
GAN900qgil, the one on the page you linked earlier for the notification schedule.20:04
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qgilGAN900: we are on schedule when it comes to internal voting, but the first wave of email notifications didn't go out last week because Angela was bsuy at LinuxCon Japan - they should be sent today/tomorrow, and more byt the end of the week20:06
qgilI hope to have only corner cases left by next week, depending on budget available etc20:06
StskeepsJaffa: let's see where this bug report goes - i'm not entirely sure of Hillary's exact role.20:07
Stskeeps(not listed on governance)20:07
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JaffaStskeeps: Are you sure it's "Hillary", nick is "hirally" but no name listed on http://meego.com/users/hirally20:08
StskeepsJaffa: er, Hirally.. it's one of those names I have difficulties spelling right20:08
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Stskeepsoh, and i typoed in my response20:09
* Stskeeps sighs20:09
felipecqgil: ooo, I don't recall seen you in IRC :) Hi20:09
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JaffaStskeeps: Could've been Hillary Rally \male), Hilary Smith (girl) who married a Mr. Rally, or s Hill?ary who likes rallying ;-)20:10
Stskeepsdon't confuse me20:10
Stskeeps:P20:10
Jaffaregex fell down with N900-typos.20:11
qgilfelipec: I remember seeing you many times  :O)20:11
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sivangStskeeps: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7881#c1320:12
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felipecqgil: what do you think about getting DSP acceleration for Theora? How useful do you think it would be to MeeGo in a scale from 1 to 10?20:16
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sivangJaffa: hehe20:16
* felipec is thinking on ways to convince his managers to work on this20:16
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Stskeepsfelipec: you intend on doing it with dsp or their current impl?20:16
Stskeepsright, BMC#7881 is getting reevaluated - i hope it will come with a good outcome20:17
sivangyay!20:17
awayfarNishanthMenon: hey man, is there a kernel repo I can use for Blaze and/or pandaboard?20:17
felipecStskeeps: well, I'm thinking on porting Leonora to gst-dsp... shouldn't be that hard20:17
sivangStskeeps: I'd hate to add it to next year's "learning from mistakes of the past and beyond" ;)20:18
Stskeepsfelipec: :nod: that'd be cool20:18
felipecyeap... but there's so much to do... I just found that dspbridge is broken on mainline, probably omapfb too20:19
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lcukStskeeps, what I find shocking is how come nobody has even tried to install a qt application20:19
lcukuntil yesterday20:19
sivanglcuk: yep, this is quite alarming20:19
lcukhow did all the packaging documentation etc get run through20:19
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NishanthMenonawayfar, try the devel:kernel20:20
* sivang is off with the hope the good lords of release blockage will show mercy.20:20
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NishanthMenonawayfar, we still have to create a package for pandaboard20:20
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lcuksivang, I am not sure what good it will do20:20
NishanthMenonnot there yet.. yogeshd had issues with offline builds.. i think i resolved it today.. gotta check20:20
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NishanthMenonawayfar, posted my patches to meego-dev and meego-packaging.. /me should have send it to meego-kernel20:21
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sivanglcuk: let's see, this cannot be left like this20:22
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StskeepsNishanthMenon: while you're at it, could you ask that the dev kernel is published automatically to gitorious?20:22
awayfarNishanthMenon, I'll check it out, thanks.  May ping you later for more info20:22
wmaronewoo, pandaboard20:22
NishanthMenonStskeeps, i did not know there was a git tree for it20:22
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lcukthp, you were able to run gtk application without this problem ( bug#7881 ) werent you?20:22
StskeepsNishanthMenon: sec20:22
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lcukor is this a *regression*20:22
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StskeepsNishanthMenon: well, packaging repo, not a full kernel tree20:22
StskeepsNishanthMenon: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/kernel-source20:23
* NishanthMenon looks20:23
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NishanthMenonStskeeps, thx.. gotta look.. /me looks better after food in tummy ;)20:24
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lcukStskeeps, do we have a testing team?20:25
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Stskeepslcuk: yes indeed we do :)20:25
Stskeepsthe QA heroes20:25
Stskeepslcuk: admittedly 'install a qt app' is not in their testcases and maybe it should have been20:25
lcukwell you can only build testcases once you know to look for them20:26
qgilfelipec: you are asking the wrong guy ;)20:26
qgilStskeeps: in fact there is not a feature/requirement defined for running a simple Qt app in Handset UX (same applies for other UXs) and this is what is missing in the first place20:27
Stskeepsyeah.. i hope requirements work is better in 1.220:27
qgillucky us it is obvious in the meego.com context,, even if there is no bugzilla report created  :)20:27
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Stskeepsit came up quite late in the 1.1 process, but was glad to see it20:28
sNiff3lshi everybody, can you tell me how i add software sources in meego (ivi) to install qt 4.7.0 or have i to compile it from the sources? (if i have to compile it by myself i need to know how to add software source for dev packages)20:29
thpluck: which bug tracker does bug#7881 refer to?20:29
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Stskeepsthp: bugs.meego.com20:30
lcukthp bugs.meego.com20:30
lcukqgil, was that your first visit to that market (you tweeted you met an old friend there) - theres no real big farming markets near us20:30
thpyes, but let me re-check with the latest build20:31
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lcukcool thanks thp20:31
lcukStskeeps, shall find out if its a regression (which may swing any discussions)20:32
thpbooting into 1.1.80.0.20101001.1 - could take a while :)20:32
Stskeepslcuk: shouldn't :)20:32
Stskeepser20:32
lcukbreaking something that used to work is different to not knowing it it was broke all along ;)20:32
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qgillcuk: I go to http://cafarmersmkts.com/mtnview.html every other week or so - it's very good! (although sometimes expensive)20:34
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thplcuk, Stskeeps: no yum in 1.1.80.0.20101001.1 for n900?20:35
Stskeepsthp: all zypper now20:35
Stskeepsthp: brave to be on 1.2 branch already :)20:35
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lcukqgil, the expense cannot be helped as with most things, whats the strangest fruit you have dared to try from there?20:38
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* lcuk grabs bunches of vine tomatoes when I see them20:38
qgilyesterday I got a bunch of purple http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohlrabi20:39
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thplcuk: ok, so the (fullscreen) main window is white, while dialog windows are visible (without window border), and Ctrl+BkSpc makes the main window contents visible in the switcher20:43
thpand dialog windows do have their content visible (i.e. you can see and read what's in them)20:43
lcukok thp, so theres obviously something odd going on with native qt applications20:44
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lcukdare we say... gtk 1 : qt 0 :p  and I wonder how much that information would change the importance of the bug20:45
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thplcuk: i believe it has something to do with mdecorator20:45
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lcukyeah, thanks for the retest though, I was sure *something* was able to run20:46
thplcuk: try starting it with "mdecorator -remote-theme &" and kill the old one (it has '-software' in its command line)20:46
thpif i do that, the main window has its contents shown20:46
lcukthp, it was just based on the bug report and remembering you had run a self build application20:47
sNiff3lsis there any repo where i can find qt 4.7?20:47
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lcukStskeeps, does that snippet of info help any?  ie can the startup parameter for mdecorator be altered without the code change20:48
lcukie without a serious retest20:48
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lcukqgil, those kohlrabi's look awesome, like pumpkins with arms!  what are you going to make with them?20:48
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qgilyou peel them and you eat them raw. delicious!20:49
Stskeepslcuk: killing the mcdecorator in general helps20:49
lcukStskeeps, but if its started up by default using alternative parameters, then its not going to break stuff?20:50
thpStskeeps: why is MeeGo Handset UX still so slow on the N900? driver missing or something?20:50
Stskeepsthp: bored and got 20 minutes to spare?20:50
lcukthp, being looked at and people are being flogged as we speak20:51
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sp3000"paint faster!"20:51
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thpStskeeps: not bored per se, but happy to try something out.20:51
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Venemowill MeeGo's package manager have DeltaRPM support?20:56
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TuxBrotherhello22:07
TuxBrotheris there any good guide for setting up Meego 1 (with UI?) on the N900?22:07
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GAN900TuxBrother, somewhere on the wiki.22:13
GAN900emmc meego n900 likely being effective Google keywords.22:13
GAN900TuxBrother, it's not particularly functional, though.22:14
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Jaffathp's gone quiet. Stskeeps' experiments have blown his N900, and him, up.22:17
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naknomikI am trying to debug connections issues on a corporate network, how do I run wpa_supplicant with debug output?22:17
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thpJaffa: no, just fascinated about the speed of the meego desktop on my n900 now :p22:20
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thpnow i just need a way to compile sources against the version of mtf shipped in the image22:21
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thpturns out everything is available on-device and installable via zypper ;)22:29
Stskeepsexcept the fs isn't very big22:30
Stskeeps:P22:30
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thpand btrfs-endio-0 is constantly using lots of CPU.. i wonder if putting out an ext3 image would make things much more faster22:32
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Jaffathp: did they make that much difference?22:32
Jaffathp: share the kernel?22:32
Stskeepsthp: on the contrary22:33
thpJaffa: Stskeeps has the link + updated packages.22:33
Stskeepsthp: ext3 is horrible for it cos of sample media and stuff like that being copied22:33
Stskeepsthp: the I/O usage may be other problems22:34
Jaffa+1 for auke's suggestion22:34
Stskeepsthe sample media one?22:34
Stskeeps:P22:34
Jaffathp: I thought it involved extracting something...22:34
JaffaStskeeps: yeah22:34
Stskeepsit's still a problem at firststartup even at smaller sizes22:35
Stskeeps:P22:35
Stskeepsthp: i pretty much plan to see why on earth our I/O is so horrible on n90022:35
Stskeepsit's worse than i would expect it to be, and I've run Mer off a 77022:35
thpStskeeps: have you tried ext3 already?22:36
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Stskeepsthp: yes, that was how our previous images were22:36
Stskeepswhen we switched to btrfs performance actually improved a lot22:36
thpcould the microsd be the bottleneck?22:37
Stskeepsit's one, but there's a performance issue for sure as test cases return worse results than on fremantle22:37
Stskeepsplan to be looking closely at it for 1.222:40
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aukeI've been looking at faster uSD cards... apparently there's class-10 4gb ones around that are twice as fast as the normal ones we have22:46
CosmoHillcool22:46
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CosmoHillwhat brand?22:46
aukekingmax22:47
aukenever heard of em before22:47
stephgbet they get hot. Without the power management my desk will melt22:47
CosmoHillauke: you could always email Phornex and ask them to to tests :)22:47
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aukeheh22:48
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aukeany comments on the splitting of the sample-media package?22:50
stephgdo it22:50
stephgplease22:50
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stephgif you're testing the different repos and not on the worlds fastest internet connection it's a pain22:51
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thpcool - i got my mtf test app compiled on the n900. took very long, but it works now :)22:55
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TuxBrotherI have flashed Meego to my MicroSD22:55
TuxBrotherinstalled the kernel22:55
TuxBrothernow - how to boot?22:56
stephgTuxBrother: flasher22:56
TuxBrotherI need the flasher to boot?22:56
stephgyeah22:57
stephg\/path/to/flasher-3.5 -b -l -k /path/to/kernel22:57
CosmoHillstephg: you can start a line on irc with a slash by using another flash22:57
CosmoHilli.e. you type two slashes instead of one to start off22:58
* stephg is new irc, thanks22:58
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TuxBrotherI have bootmenu installed23:04
TuxBrotherand added the menu item23:04
TuxBrothernow it keeps saying booting meego23:04
TuxBrotherand then it powers off23:04
Stskeepsyeah, don't use that one23:04
Stskeeps:P23:04
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TuxBrothergot it23:07
TuxBrothernow it is a screen with unreadable text23:07
Stskeepsbetter23:07
Stskeeps:P23:07
TuxBrotheronly I can see it hangs23:07
Stskeepsis your back cover on?23:07
TuxBrotheryes23:07
Stskeepshow did you dd it to th emicrosd?23:08
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TuxBrotherbzcat <raw_image>.bz2 | pv | sudo dd bs=4096 of=/dev/sdX23:08
Stskeepswell, you have me beat23:09
Stskeeps:P23:09
TuxBrotherwhy?23:09
Stskeepsdid you check nothing was mounted from sdX before?23:09
aukepv?23:09
Stskeepsauke: progress indicator for pipes23:09
aukeinteresting23:09
TuxBrothernothing was mounted before23:09
* thiago_home doesn't have pv23:09
thiago_homefound it in a package called "pv"23:10
* auke makes his distro install it23:10
TuxBrothernow23:11
TuxBrotherhow can I get it to boot?23:11
TuxBrotherthe kernel hangs23:11
StskeepsTuxBrother: what message does it say?23:11
CosmoHillauke: a custom distro?23:11
TuxBrothermtdoops: ready 4, 9 (no erase)23:12
TuxBrotherthat's all I can read23:12
aukeCosmoHill: sorta, yes :)23:12
StskeepsTuxBrother: anything above that?23:12
CosmoHillauke: same here :)23:12
aukeDownloading source file pv-1.1.4.tar.bz2 for module pv...23:12
TuxBrotherplease append a correct root boot option or so23:13
* thiago_home benchmarks pv /dev/zero > /dev/null23:13
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slavikhi all23:16
aukethiago_home: how much you getting? :)23:16
thiago_home3.48 GB/s23:16
auke15.5GB/s23:16
StskeepsTuxBrother: ah, flasher -l -k /apth/to/kernel -b23:17
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aukeof course, I should try on a handset prototype instead :)23:17
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* thiago_home left his proto off at the office23:17
thiago_homeotherwise I could just ssh in23:17
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thiago_homethe workstation is on, though23:19
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aukehmmm my t400 meego laptop only gets 3.1GB/s23:19
thiago_home13 GB/s on the Core-i7 workstation23:19
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Stskeepscongrats23:23
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TuxBrotherI must go23:23
TuxBrotherttyl23:23
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Stskeepsevening wazd23:24
wazdStskeeps: heya :)23:24
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Stskeepshow's the visa nightmares going?23:26
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naknomikWhere is wpa_supplicant invoked from in MeeGo, I need to run it with debug on and see the debug output.23:30
Stskeepsdbus activation23:31
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thiago_homeor connman, isn't it?23:35
Stskeepsconnman activates wpa_supplicant through dbus activation :)23:35
Stskeepsi learnt this the hard way23:35
thiago_homeif it's dbus activation, then you can start it manually23:36
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thiago_homeprovided it registers in dbus23:36
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