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| * thiago_home doesn't speak Finnish | 00:06 | |
| CosmoHill | I may have made a mistake / bad assumption | 00:07 |
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| thiago_home | I do speak Norwegian (kinda) | 00:08 |
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| kyb3R | speaks Finnish | 00:09 |
| kyb3R | 'auki' is on | 00:09 |
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| CosmoHill | build.on.meego.com | 00:10 |
| CosmoHill | it still works | 00:10 |
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| CosmoHill | thiago_home: odd question, what country are you in and where are you from? | 00:18 |
| thiago_home | Norway, Brazil | 00:18 |
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| CosmoHill | for some reason I thought you were Finnish and in Finland | 00:19 |
| pupnik | anybody know if meego-in-vm (vmware, qemu) is being worked-on? | 00:19 |
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| * w00t_ is in finland, but definitely not from finland | 00:19 | |
| pupnik | w00t_: do you find the seasons/climate difficult to adopt-to? | 00:20 |
| pupnik | adapt | 00:20 |
| w00t_ | pupnik: you asked that earlier, did you read http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_with_QEMU when I linked you to it? | 00:20 |
| w00t_ | pupnik: I don't live here permanently, I'm just here for a month for work | 00:21 |
| pupnik | i missed it | 00:21 |
| pupnik | ty. who expects you to get anything done in your first month somewhere anyway | 00:21 |
| pupnik | jk | 00:21 |
| w00t_ | hehe | 00:22 |
| pupnik | something feels wrong up there, seriously. | 00:25 |
| w00t_ | hm? | 00:25 |
| pupnik | strange sun pattern | 00:25 |
| w00t_ | it's enjoyable | 00:26 |
| Alison_Chaiken | On x86_64, I have success running MeeGo under qemu, but is there any 64-bit version of MeeGo SDK? | 00:26 |
| wmarone | not yet | 00:26 |
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| pupnik | nice job till- and bspencer - i had missed that qemu page | 00:27 |
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| CosmoHill | I think meego is only 32bit atm | 00:29 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | MeeGo iso runs fine on x86_64 under Fedora 13, but SDK version appears not to exist. Fedora 13 version of Qt lacks docs, but that may be Fedora's fault. | 00:56 |
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| CosmoHill | Alison_Chaiken: would the Qt docs be in an additional RPM which isn't installed by default? | 01:09 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Hey CosmoHill, indeed there is a qt-doc.noarch package. Given that the package supports the built-in Qt help, it should really be part of the Qt install. | 01:13 |
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| CosmoHill | only if you want it | 01:21 |
| CosmoHill | some people might prefer to look things up online | 01:21 |
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| sofar | Alison_Chaiken: there's no planned 64bit version of MeeGo, hence there won't be a 64-bit SDK | 01:29 |
| CosmoHill | is the Atom 32 or 64bit? | 01:30 |
| sofar | depends | 01:30 |
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| sofar | some atoms are 32bit only | 01:30 |
| ScottishDuck | all dual core atoms are 64 bit | 01:31 |
| CosmoHill | Also won't MeeGo have to be 64bit at some point otherwise it would brake in 2036 :p | 01:31 |
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| ScottishDuck | just skip to 128 bit | 01:31 |
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| CosmoHill | I like the way that computers are all 64bit now but game consoles are probably 256 or 512bit | 01:32 |
| ScottishDuck | not really | 01:32 |
| ScottishDuck | when they talked about bits with consoles it was always the GPU | 01:33 |
| ScottishDuck | I think | 01:33 |
| CosmoHill | I think the PS3 is 128bit | 01:33 |
| ScottishDuck | It's SPARC64 | 01:33 |
| sofar | adding more bits in the cpu registers won't affect the 2038 date issue | 01:33 |
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| CosmoHill | a 64bit int is much bigger than a 32bit int so it will affect it | 01:34 |
| sofar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Atom_microprocessors | 01:34 |
| CosmoHill | ScottishDuck: no, it's an IBM Cell processor | 01:34 |
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| sofar | CosmoHill: you can safely implement 64bit integers on a 32bit processor just fine | 01:34 |
| CosmoHill | ooo | 01:34 |
| ScottishDuck | it's a derivative of POWER4 | 01:35 |
| CosmoHill | do you have a wikipedia tab open? cos I do | 01:35 |
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| ScottishDuck | yerp | 01:36 |
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| CosmoHill | sofar: btw do you have a bootchart.jar file that works on mac? | 01:44 |
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| sofar | why would I? I rewrote bootchart from scratch so you don't need that anymore | 01:48 |
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| CosmoHill | the thing that makes the nice chart for you? | 01:49 |
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| sofar | yup | 01:49 |
| sofar | made a version for meego | 01:49 |
| sofar | single program implementation | 01:49 |
| sofar | fire & forget, writes out an SVG to /var/log once done | 01:49 |
| CosmoHill | very nice | 01:50 |
| sofar | embedded in the svg markup is the data, so you can extract real numbers from it | 01:50 |
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| CosmoHill | so I need to install libsvg and that on my LFS build to get a nice bootchart | 01:51 |
| sofar | no | 01:51 |
| sofar | it doesn't need librsvg | 01:51 |
| CosmoHill | awesome | 01:51 |
| sofar | it writes a valid SVG file without the need for the library | 01:51 |
| sofar | all it needs is libc | 01:51 |
| sofar | it does need the kernel patch meego has | 01:52 |
| sofar | actually | 01:52 |
| CosmoHill | where is the source or shall I just download the bootchart.src.rpm file? | 01:52 |
| sofar | on a meego box ? | 01:52 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 01:52 |
| sofar | source is on gitorious | 01:52 |
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| sofar | see http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/bootchart for urls | 01:53 |
| CosmoHill | thank you | 01:53 |
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| sofar | the README tells you which kernel config options need to be enabled | 01:54 |
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| CosmoHill | I'll use this from now on instead of the old bootchart | 01:57 |
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| CosmoHill | sofar: btw what timezone are you in? | 02:03 |
| sofar | US west coast (-8) | 02:04 |
| CosmoHill | so it;'s about 3pm for you? | 02:05 |
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| CosmoHill | lbt: wow, you have 3 posts on the forum, that's almost as little as me | 02:12 |
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| CosmoHill | yay, now I have three posts | 02:17 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 02:22 |
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| __key__ | umm, anyone know what time it is? | 03:48 |
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| seiflotfy | hey guys | 08:00 |
| seiflotfy | if i have the day1 stuff installed natively | 08:00 |
| seiflotfy | can i update from a repository to the current stuff | 08:01 |
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| kimitake | seiflotfy: I think there is no installer for the latest pkg, so need to upgrade from v1.0 pkg (day1 stuff) | 08:58 |
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| Stskeeps | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/irc/data/irssistats.sep.html <- new irc stats | 10:08 |
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| GirlZilla | Hi all! | 12:31 |
| GirlZilla | Stupids questions incoming ... | 12:32 |
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| GirlZilla | first : do I have to make my own meego netbook built from scratch in order to change zone transition effects & speed ? I would prefer a single slide instead of zoom out ->slide-> zoom in while pressingAlt+Tab | 12:34 |
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| GirlZilla | seconc stupid question : I"ve added maximize and restore buttons on title bars with gnone-config in metacity options but any maximized windows ... | 12:36 |
| GirlZilla | ... (say, terminal) will lost automatic refresh content | 12:36 |
| GirlZilla | I mean if I type some text in the maximized terminal window, it won"t show up until I'm playing with Meego toolbar or switching to another zone... | 12:38 |
| GirlZilla | any idea ? | 12:38 |
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| Sadaathere | is meego 1.1 going to release for n900 | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | yes, we're on a fixed release schedule | 13:03 |
| Sadaathere | stskeeps: YAY would that be offical? | 13:04 |
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| Sadaathere | stskeeps: YAY would that be offical? | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | it might not be the best product but its the meego platform as is | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | and official from meego.com, not a nokia product | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | so depending on your perspective you might be disappointed | 13:09 |
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| Sadaathere | stskeeps: YAY would that be offical? | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | 2:06] <Stskeeps> it might not be the best product but its the meego platform as is | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | [12:06] <Stskeeps> and official from meego.com, not a nokia product | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | [12:06] <Stskeeps> so depending on your perspective you might be disappointed | 13:11 |
| Sadaathere | ok and is it gonna be fully functional? | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | no, things take time | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | but we have call audio, sms for instance | 13:12 |
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| Stskeeps | and fully functional is such a difficult term | 13:13 |
| Sadaathere | developers r working to make it max functional rite? | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | yes, of course | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | the problem is just what functional means :) | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | what does it mean to you? | 13:14 |
| Megatomte | Does anyone know when the first official meego-based phone is coming? | 13:16 |
| Megatomte | >_> | 13:16 |
| Sadaathere | for me ... i want basic phone work like calls n sms, meego apps shd work perfect , camera fully working , internet fully working with all technologies like edge ,wifi etc | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | Sadaathere: ok, that should be possible eventually | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | but you'll get first taste of it in 1.1 | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | the work continues in 1.2 | 13:17 |
| thiago_home | Megatomte: no one will tell you when their product ships until it ships | 13:17 |
| Sadaathere | yea i wanna taste meego | 13:17 |
| Megatomte | I s'pose | 13:17 |
| Sadaathere | rumors say its gonna b N9 | 13:18 |
| thiago_home | Sadaathere: SD cards usually don't taste very good | 13:18 |
| Megatomte | Are there any under active development, known that is | 13:18 |
| Megatomte | I read about aavamobile yesterday, seemed interesting | 13:18 |
| thiago_home | Sadaathere: rumours are just that, rumours: we don't know if that is true or not | 13:18 |
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| Sadaathere | thats y i said rumor lol | 13:18 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | guys asking questions, the engineers are always the last to know about marketing decisions | 13:18 |
| Megatomte | .D | 13:19 |
| Sadaathere | can we port it to emmc thiago? | 13:19 |
| thiago_home | port what? | 13:19 |
| thiago_home | and what emmc? | 13:19 |
| Sadaathere | meego to n900 internal memory | 13:19 |
| thiago_home | yes | 13:19 |
| ChildOfGod | Guys, I have ofono-0.31 on my meego netbook ux. It detects my modem as well. I have connman 0.61 but it does not show the modem. I assume there is some disconnect between connman and ofono here. Can someone help me wth this please? | 13:20 |
| thiago_home | depends on how much work you're willing to put into making it work. | 13:20 |
| ChildOfGod | Its a 3g device. Huawei ec1261. | 13:20 |
| thiago_home | ChildOfGod: you want to make calls? | 13:20 |
| ChildOfGod | no | 13:20 |
| ChildOfGod | just connect to internet | 13:20 |
| thiago_home | then ofono shouldn't have anything to do with it | 13:20 |
| ChildOfGod | most importantly i need to see it in carrick panel. i want users to be able to interactt | 13:20 |
| ChildOfGod | thiago_home: but i thought ofono was suposed to take care of 3g modems | 13:21 |
| thiago_home | ofono is supposed to do telephony | 13:21 |
| ChildOfGod | ok. So is there a way I can get the 3g modem to show in connman/carrick panel? | 13:22 |
| ChildOfGod | (I thought ofono and connman are compatible via dbus api and connman show 3g devices picked up from ofono) | 13:22 |
| Sadaathere | thiago_home : porting meego to internall memory will make it fast or not on n900? | 13:22 |
| thiago_home | Sadaathere: I don't know | 13:22 |
| thiago_home | Sadaathere: but the internal memory is far too small on the N900 for useful things. | 13:23 |
| ChildOfGod | thiago_home: So does connman have a separate 3g detection module of its own? | 13:23 |
| thiago_home | ChildOfGod: the 3G modem should appear as a normal USB modem | 13:23 |
| ChildOfGod | yes it does. | 13:23 |
| thiago_home | then that's all connman should need | 13:23 |
| Sadaathere | i mean its 32gb internal memory | 13:23 |
| thiago_home | Sadaathere: I thougth you meant the 256 MB internal NAND memory | 13:24 |
| Sadaathere | lol nt dat | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | Sadaathere: probablyh for 1.2 | 13:24 |
| thiago_home | yeah, running on the internal memory should be faster than from the SD card | 13:24 |
| ChildOfGod | thiago_home: but it does not. How do I debug this? I use d-feet to see the interfaces as well, and I start connman in debug mode | 13:24 |
| ChildOfGod | but it doesnt detect | 13:24 |
| Sadaathere | so its gonna be laggy like nitdroid | 13:25 |
| Sadaathere | if installed on sd cards | 13:25 |
| thiago_home | not necessarily | 13:26 |
| thiago_home | faster / slower are relative terms, as you may have learned in grammar classes :-) | 13:26 |
| Sadaathere | suppose i get class 10 sd card would dat effect its speed? | 13:27 |
| stephg | morning chaps | 13:27 |
| Sadaathere | thiago_home: suppose i get class 10 sd card would dat effect its speed? | 13:28 |
| thiago_home | if you get a faster card, it will be faster | 13:28 |
| ChildOfGod | thiago_home: Is there a specific plugin for connman that detects 3g devices? | 13:28 |
| thiago_home | whether that's fast enough, yout ell us | 13:28 |
| thiago_home | ChildOfGod: no idea. I've never tried to debug it. | 13:28 |
| ChildOfGod | ok. | 13:29 |
| Sadaathere | i guess 1.1 meego for n900 is present in meego repository | 13:29 |
| thiago_home | yes it is | 13:29 |
| Sadaathere | y they didnt show on release page? is it not ready yet ? | 13:30 |
| thiago_home | it's not released yet | 13:30 |
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| Sadaathere | release date is 15 to 20 oct | 13:32 |
| * thiago_home looks at the calendar | 13:32 | |
| thiago_home | no, we're not oct 15 to 20 yet :-) | 13:32 |
| Sadaathere | i mean that's wat they said on release page for meego 1.1 | 13:33 |
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| pexi | are there any (experimental) wrt for 1.1 | 13:36 |
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| thiago_home | yes | 13:41 |
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| pexi | ahh. nice | 13:46 |
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| piotr | hi | 14:59 |
| theplic | hi | 14:59 |
| stephg | hi | 14:59 |
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| lbt | 'lo | 15:11 |
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| RST38h | <yawn> | 15:14 |
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| stephg | Throwing this one out there should anyone know | 15:26 |
| stephg | I've been told that there may be a screengrab/video recording app available. Does anyone know if there is or what it's name is? | 15:26 |
| stephg | ideally want to record videos of the UI for buuuuuuuugs | 15:26 |
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| smithna | stephg: Such an app would be very useful -- hope you find it | 15:36 |
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| stephg | yarp as do I | 15:36 |
| stephg | :) | 15:36 |
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| aimee | okay so what's this all about then? | 15:52 |
| Guest42541 | confused | 15:53 |
| aimee | who is here? | 15:53 |
| Guest42541 | hello lbt | 15:53 |
| lbt | hey :) | 15:53 |
| aimee | hello lbt! :) | 15:54 |
| lbt | so, welcome to irc and #meego | 15:54 |
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| aimee | sarah is Guest 42541 ;) | 15:54 |
| lbt | hi aimee | 15:54 |
| aimee | we are in the discovery centre trying to figure out this irc thing! ;) | 15:54 |
| Guest42541 | lbt - do I want to buy some amazon ec2? | 15:54 |
| * lbt is confused ... who is aimee ? mark ? | 15:54 | |
| aimee | just a friend :) | 15:54 |
| aimee | mark is also sitting right next to us. | 15:55 |
| * lbt waves | 15:55 | |
| aimee | how many people are in this chat room? | 15:55 |
| Guest42541 | aimee is clever | 15:55 |
| lbt | hundreds | 15:55 |
| aimee | actually sarah found this webchat site. | 15:55 |
| Guest42541 | I was telling you about aimee yesterday | 15:55 |
| lbt | this is the meego area | 15:55 |
| lbt | ah, that's aimee... good to meet you | 15:55 |
| aimee | i tried making sarah do it through Smuxi client but it wouldn't let us cos we're at the library. | 15:55 |
| lbt | *nod* | 15:55 |
| aimee | good to meet you too lbt ... :) | 15:55 |
| aimee | what does lbt actually stand for? | 15:56 |
| Guest42541 | so amazon ec2?? | 15:56 |
| lbt | little blue thing.... | 15:56 |
| aimee | awwwww! | 15:56 |
| aimee | funny, my husband is littlebluefish on twitter! :D | 15:56 |
| Guest42541 | tell us the story | 15:56 |
| * lbt always wanted a "little ping thing" turntable.... | 15:56 | |
| lbt | http://www.turntable-power-supply.com/turntables_fitting/pink_triangle_lpt_fitting.htm | 15:57 |
| lbt | anyhoo.... | 15:57 |
| lbt | mrs "work work work".... EC2 | 15:57 |
| aimee | oh, awesome!! is it a make your own record player? | 15:57 |
| Guest42541 | it's too exciting!!! | 15:58 |
| Guest42541 | how do I change my id? | 15:58 |
| aimee | maybe there was already someone else called sarah. | 15:58 |
| lbt | type /nick name | 15:58 |
| aimee | since it didn't mind me being called aimee. | 15:58 |
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| * lbt rofl | 15:59 | |
| stephg | heh | 15:59 |
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| Guest78767 | too hard :( | 16:00 |
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| stephg | that's better | 16:00 |
| aimee | yeahhh!! | 16:00 |
| lbt | \o/ | 16:00 |
| sarahjones | got there | 16:00 |
| sarahjones | yey!! | 16:00 |
| aimee | yay! works!! | 16:00 |
| aimee | i love how IRC has been around since the internet began and is still used today! | 16:00 |
| lbt | OK ... so we can chat in here or wander off if need be | 16:00 |
| * lbt practically lives on it now... we use it for our distributed teams | 16:01 | |
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| lbt | this is the community channel for meego though... so maybe we should wander off... #civicrm ? | 16:02 |
| lbt | ah | 16:02 |
| lbt | maybe not | 16:02 |
| lbt | mmm #civic_in_winchester | 16:02 |
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| * Aard is confused | 16:05 | |
| lbt | Aard: couple of friends ... we want to setup a CRM for a local charity | 16:06 |
| Aard | crm? | 16:06 |
| lbt | Customer Relationship Management | 16:07 |
| lbt | bugzilla for businesses | 16:07 |
| Aard | based on meego? ;) | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | heh, 'CRM UX' ;p | 16:08 |
| lbt | Aard: no it's a general concept | 16:09 |
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| stephg | Stkeeps: oh god can you imagine the pain? | 16:11 |
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| * Stskeeps is tired after 5 hours worth of shopping | 16:17 | |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: retail therapy to recover from fennec? | 16:17 |
| w00t_ | :P | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | a tad | 16:17 |
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| GAN900 | 5 hours of shopping? Yeesh | 16:33 |
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| djszapi | is there a graphical package manager service on Meego ? | 16:51 |
| djszapi | PackageKit may be ? | 16:51 |
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| djszapi | Better question: Is there a package list, services that I can access on MeeGo to ? (pkg repository and so on) | 16:54 |
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| theplic | djszapi: well there isnt a graphical one | 16:58 |
| theplic | but you can still look at a list | 16:58 |
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| djszapi | theplic: where is there a list ? | 17:07 |
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| Stskeeps | one marketing discussion mail done.. now on to the ARM one | 17:10 |
| theplic | djszapi: zypper pa | 17:11 |
| theplic | you can direct it to a file and then search what you are looking for | 17:11 |
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| djszapi | theplic: I am sorry but I do not have a meego mobile now, can you paste me that output file ? | 17:15 |
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| theplic | djszapi: what are you using atm? | 17:16 |
| theplic | does meego have a pastebin? | 17:17 |
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| djszapi | theplic: pastie.org -> Currently just PC with no MeeGo capability. | 17:18 |
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| theplic | djszapi: lol pastie.org couldnt hold all that data. | 17:21 |
| theplic | here: http://pastebin.com/SYmTgfCs | 17:21 |
| djszapi | lawl | 17:21 |
| djszapi | PackageKit is graphical package manager in fact. | 17:22 |
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| theplic | djszapi: hmm i donno how to execute that | 17:24 |
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| CosmoHill | sofar: http://black-flag.co.uk/files/lfs/bootchart-20101002-1525.svg :) thanks a lot | 17:45 |
| CosmoHill | only problem I have is that browers don't understand "width=100%" | 17:46 |
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| sofar | yup | 17:46 |
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| sofar | I need to pre-calc the width/height | 17:47 |
| sofar | and put that in instead | 17:47 |
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| Stskeeps | sofar: what do you use to view your bootcharts? | 17:47 |
| sofar | inkscape, or a browser | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | firefox i've had issues with, seems not to scroll it | 17:48 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: yes I just had that issue | 17:48 |
| sofar | it varies | 17:48 |
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| sofar | it scrolls with the version I have at home | 17:48 |
| CosmoHill | you need to open the .svg file and edit the width and height mangually | 17:48 |
| CosmoHill | line 3 i think | 17:48 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: did the one I linked to have scroll bars | 17:49 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 17:50 |
| CosmoHill | you see line three in the source code. I edited that by hand | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:50 |
| CosmoHill | about 100 pixels per second for width | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | sofar: out of curiousity, why ~30 seconds of bootchart only? | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | i know there's a command line setting but it's a bit nasty when it's init=/sbin/init | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | er, init= | 17:51 |
| CosmoHill | init=/sbin/bootchartd ? | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that's what i meant :P | 17:52 |
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| CosmoHill | now I need to work out how to read it | 17:54 |
| Bostik | hm, geeqie (ex-gqview) seems to show .svg nicely enough | 17:55 |
| sarahjones | hi lbt | 17:56 |
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| lbt | hi sarahjones | 18:31 |
| sarahjones | you're back!! | 18:32 |
| lbt | was busy - didn't notice the msg :) | 18:32 |
| sarahjones | how do you get to the bit where we were before?? | 18:32 |
| sarahjones | busy bee | 18:33 |
| Cquad | hello | 18:33 |
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| Cquad | Is there someone who know how I can use Meego as en entry in grub ? | 18:34 |
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| newbiemmc | hi | 18:52 |
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| newbiemmc | can somebody tell me, what to do next? i have done the steps for windows to install meego on mmc, but it won't boot meego. maybe that's because of the boot priority of the n900?! | 18:55 |
| newbiemmc | i tried it to fix it using the guide on the meego.com page, but there only steps for linux, right? so how to change the priority with windows? | 18:56 |
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| guesto | hi, what does the "l" in armv7l mean? | 19:00 |
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| CosmoHill | Cquad: the same way as any other distro with an initrd file | 19:27 |
| CosmoHill | Cquad: Grub or Grub2? | 19:27 |
| CosmoHill | for grub2 this should help you: http://black-flag.co.uk/wordpress/2010/04/23/red-hat-enterprise-linux-6-beta-grub-2/ | 19:27 |
| thiago_home | guesto: little | 19:29 |
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| guesto | endian? | 19:46 |
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| __key__ | hrmm | 21:02 |
| __key__ | !time | 21:03 |
| __key__ | anyone have the time ? | 21:03 |
| leinir | Well, here it's 19.05, but elsewhere it is something else ;) | 21:05 |
| __key__ | great! | 21:05 |
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| leinir | ... | 21:06 |
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| sofar | now if only I understood how the ban regex syntax works | 21:25 |
| dm8tbr | nickname!ident@hostname | 21:27 |
| sofar | it doesn't help that pidgin doesn't know how to ban | 21:27 |
| sofar | and I'm too lazy to run more than 1 IM/IRC/... client | 21:28 |
| sofar | at work I'm online on 8 protocols, 5 at home | 21:28 |
| dm8tbr | /mode +b foo!bar@baz | 21:28 |
| dm8tbr | that should always work | 21:28 |
| sofar | oh | 21:28 |
| sofar | cool | 21:28 |
| Surfa | it has nothing to do with regex actually :) | 21:28 |
| sofar | well syntax | 21:28 |
| dm8tbr | freenode also has a few special case things | 21:29 |
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| sofar | I should test that on someone | 21:29 |
| sofar | who can I ban for a secon? :) | 21:29 |
| dm8tbr | e.g. if you don't want to ban him but just prevent him to speak you'd use +q instead | 21:29 |
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| sofar | can you get back? | 21:31 |
| sofar | :) | 21:31 |
| dm8tbr | nope | 21:31 |
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| sofar | thanks | 21:31 |
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| dm8tbr | not try that with +q | 21:31 |
| sofar | ok | 21:31 |
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| dm8tbr | 18:32:01-!- #meego Cannot send to channel | 21:32 |
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| sofar | is that permanent tho? | 21:32 |
| dm8tbr | yes, as long as that person does not evade it by changing some part | 21:32 |
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| dm8tbr | if you ever think you need expiry management you can start looking into 'eir' that's a management bot | 21:33 |
| dm8tbr_ | test - passed | 21:33 |
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| sofar | thanks | 21:33 |
| dm8tbr | also the freenode webpage is a valuable resource | 21:34 |
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| smithna | So, I've been following the IVI development on my carpc, and I think I must have messed something up as I've been updating packages. For one, I lost some of the icons on the ivihome (the home in the upper left for example). Any idea what could cause that? | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | you might have to follow the package group too | 22:39 |
| smithna | I looked at the FAQ, but nothing there applied. And I didn't see any bug reports on it... | 22:40 |
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| smithna | package group? | 22:40 |
| * smithna isn't sure what "package group" refers too... | 22:41 | |
| Stskeeps | in the .ks, the things starting with @ | 22:41 |
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| smithna | I am going to hate myself for having to say this.... I'm not familar with .ks -- I've been updating individual packages from the trunk repo | 22:46 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: for good measure, email is taken out cos it's simply too buggy | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | it isn't getting deleted, just not included in 1.1, source is out there. | 22:50 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | Stskeeps: is modest still being used? | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | TSCHAKeee2: i sure as hell hope not | 22:51 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | heheheh | 22:51 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | i don't know a single person in the world | 22:51 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | that likes it | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | i had a mail friggen disappearing from my mail view the other day for no good reason | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | had to go to my gmail to actually find it | 22:51 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | modest takes 3 minutes | 22:52 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | to start up on my n900 | 22:52 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | between each keypress between the panes | 22:52 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | pegging the CPU, each time | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 22:53 |
| GAN900 | Who'd've thought they could top osso-email in uselessness. | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | i liked osso-email | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: what's important to realise is that it's a platform, not a end-user target that's getting released in october. fairly easy to build and even take parts of 1.2 development in to provide something usable | 22:55 |
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| smithna | .ks = "kick start" | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 22:58 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | meego may just need to be billed as a platform | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | i think the personality split is hurting way too much | 23:04 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | yes | 23:05 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | when i saw this platform, i immediately understood that this was something for interested vendors to extend | 23:05 |
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| smithna | hmm... That's always been a question I wanted too ask (just not sure where too). Is Meego a distro for everyone or for device builders? An example: will IVI be useful to carpc hobbiest or is it aimed at car makers? | 23:09 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | smithna: right now, it's useful for people willing to put in the elbow grease | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | it's for everyone wanting to build things using it | 23:09 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | hackers and device makers have a lot in common | 23:10 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | the challenge is bridging the communication gap | 23:10 |
| GAN900 | TSCHAKeee2, which leaves it lacking the appeal of maemo.org. | 23:12 |
| GAN900 | And that's unfortunate. | 23:13 |
| smithna | I was curious about that as (given IVI, the only version I have looked at) some things were missing, problems that other distros had already solved. For example, the lack of udev rules for usb/bluetooth gps devices | 23:13 |
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| felipec | playing FLACs should perform much better now :) http://felipec.wordpress.com/2010/10/02/gst-av-0-4-better-performance-for-flac-vorbis-and-mp3-part-2/ | 23:14 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN900: so what do you want, it being a full scale end user product? | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | felipec: cool | 23:14 |
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| felipec | Stskeeps: 28 hours :) | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | of playback? :P | 23:15 |
| felipec | lol, yeap | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | not bad | 23:16 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm not going to convert my music collection to ogg though ;) | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | or flac | 23:18 |
| Bostik | flac's a good option | 23:18 |
| felipec | flac is great for audiophiles :) | 23:19 |
| Bostik | you can trivially convert to any other format if you want or need :) | 23:19 |
| sofar | sure but coding lossy -> lossy is bad | 23:19 |
| Bostik | flac = Free Lossless Audio Codec | 23:19 |
| Bostik | hence it's a great storage format | 23:20 |
| felipec | I have some good quality headphones, and I can definitely appreciate the different between FLAC and vorbis/mp3 | 23:20 |
| sofar | arguably ogg is about as large as flac | 23:20 |
| sofar | I can't even hear the difference between 96kbit audio and flac on a netbook :) | 23:20 |
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| Bostik | must be one crappy audio card | 23:22 |
| sofar | it could be the ipod mini headphones too | 23:22 |
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| Bostik | could be; the sound quality from an ipod (shuffle, at least) has been remarkably good when I've given it a try | 23:24 |
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| Bostik | but then again, I'm one of those sick individuals who buy high-eng earphones for home use.. | 23:25 |
| sofar | I look at them and decide to spend my money elsewhere | 23:27 |
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| sofar | as in "I don't need that!!!" | 23:27 |
| sofar | triple OTA DVB-T tuners in my home-built DVR takes presedence | 23:28 |
| Bostik | I just consider them investments in ergonomy | 23:28 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sofar: are you familiar with LinuxMCE? I'm the lead dev. http://www.linuxmce.org/ :) | 23:28 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, I'd like something that mixes that same magic of maemo.org and not a vendor-oriented, anti-hobbyist experience. | 23:29 |
| sofar | TSCHAKeee2: no, what is that? | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: it's hardly anti-hobbyist as any given software engineer is comparable to any given hobbyist - you can't tell the difference on mailing lists or IRC | 23:29 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sofar: a complete unified smart home platform, combining media and home automation in a single operating system | 23:30 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | sofar: unifying media, lighting, telephony, security, and climate control | 23:30 |
| sofar | TSCHAKeee2: records HD tv and grabs listings from schedulesdirect? | 23:30 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | yes | 23:31 |
| sofar | has a reasonable amount of dependencies and can be built without removing parts of my brain and sacrificing goats? | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | maybe small furry animals | 23:31 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sofar: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2176025602905109829 <-- demo | 23:31 |
| sofar | oh no, it's a whole OS... fail | 23:31 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sofar: it replaces everything. | 23:32 |
| sofar | well, that ends my interest in it already | 23:32 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sofar: why? the system is able to do things that nobody else can do at present | 23:32 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | sofar: watch the demo | 23:32 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ;) | 23:32 |
| sofar | it can't run on my OS -> can't do everything | 23:32 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, by hobbyist, I don't necessarily mean people coding. | 23:32 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sigh | 23:32 |
| sofar | lol | 23:32 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, I started out in Maemo as an end user. | 23:33 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sofar: so, you're saying your duct taped setup is better than something that's had 8 years of development behind it? | 23:33 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, I'd like not to see the contribution path that maemo.org offered be lost. | 23:33 |
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| sofar | lol video, a maze of menus | 23:34 |
| sofar | TSCHAKeee2: for me, yup | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: well, maemo.org was great at community growth and contribution within the community.. but was it contribution to a product? | 23:34 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sofar: watch the demo. :) | 23:34 |
| sofar | TSCHAKeee2: don't get me wrong, I'm not a normal user. If I'd use something like linuxMCE I'd just buy a fricken device with it on it | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: as in, did we do anything else than improving community? | 23:35 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sofar: indulge me? ;) | 23:35 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, well, perhaps my efforts should focus on a new ITt-like website, instead. | 23:36 |
| sofar | haha "only 3 buttons!" .... 30 seconds later "plus OK and Cancel" | 23:36 |
| GAN900 | Since I'm not sure meego.com is compatible with those values. | 23:36 |
| sofar | oh christ I see mythtv coming through the linuxmce UI | 23:38 |
| sofar | worst UI ever | 23:38 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | I am working on rewriting it. | 23:38 |
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| sofar | mythtvfrontend? | 23:38 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sofar: no, all the mythUI stuff is completely being replaced | 23:39 |
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| sofar | thank goodness | 23:39 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | blank skin, but everything running through the new orbiter | 23:39 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | orbiter in and of itself is a distributed UI | 23:39 |
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| sofar | in the current state mythtv-frontend is unsaveable | 23:39 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | something that mythfrontend could never do | 23:39 |
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| sofar | it could never pass the grandparents test | 23:39 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sorry, the so called grandparents test is dubious | 23:40 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | but that's a whle other discussion | 23:40 |
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| sofar | lol the motion remote sounds like it's going to drive people nuts | 23:44 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sofar: we support a whole bunch of different remotes, and tablets, pda's, a few IP phones, a few different cell phones as orbiters as well | 23:44 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | all kept in sync | 23:44 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: i wouldn't mind iTT back.. | 23:44 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, perhaps it would be best for everybody to leave meego.com to the engineers and the really dedicated hobbyists. | 23:45 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: nah - there's obviously more to a platform than engineers :) | 23:46 |
| GAN900 | And take the maemo.org-style community somewhere where professional collaboration isn't trying to take place. | 23:46 |
| smithna | TSCHAKeee2: you don't like mythui? | 23:46 |
| sofar | TSCHAKeee2: don't get me wrong stuff like linuxmce is nice, but my home box also dubs as a http/https server, firewall/dmz, etc, so I'm not going to replace that quickly with some ubuntu derivative (especially if I'm paid to work on meego) | 23:46 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | smithna: mythUI doesn't fit the goals of a house wide UI at all | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: what is a maemo.org-style community in your view? | 23:46 |
| GAN900 | Yes, l10n, documentation, issue tracking, etc., etc. | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | like, if you had to sum it up in a sentence or two | 23:47 |
| jacktheripper | I tried the method here http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd. After enabling USB storage mode, the phone just shows the dimmed Nokia logo after a few seconds (disconnects). How can I fix that ? | 23:47 |
| sofar | I'd rather spend my free time investigating technology instead of consuming it | 23:47 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | thanks for taking the time to view it | 23:47 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and thank you for your ever so tactful way of downplaying me and everything i stand for | 23:48 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | really appreciate it | 23:48 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :) | 23:48 |
| sofar | eh I'm a critic, and generally fobic of new projects that reek like KDE, ubuntu etc | 23:48 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | those that can | 23:48 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | do | 23:48 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | those that don't | 23:48 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | critique | 23:48 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :) | 23:48 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | but really, again.. thakns. | 23:49 |
| sofar | I'm paid to integrate new technologies in MeeGo, therefore, If I'm not a critic, shit will end up in MeeGo | 23:49 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and if it didn't occur to you.. I am in here ,because one of my long term goals is to build a version of it on top of MeeGo | 23:49 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | starting with Orbiter | 23:49 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | mind you, i am doing it for free | 23:50 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, at its core its an enthusiast community. | 23:50 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | not being paid, like you | 23:50 |
| sofar | and if you ever need to enable some of your requirements in MeeGo, you can come straight to me and I can push it through the official MeeGo channels and see if we can support it | 23:50 |
| GAN900 | Which gives you a lot of engaged users who usually end up becoming contributors. | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: right, that i do agree with - and the people involved in meego aren't enthusiasts for a open mobile platform? | 23:51 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | sofar: thank you. | 23:51 |
| sofar | so while being a critic, I do appreciate everyone who wants to build something on MeeGo and will work hard "behind the curtain" to facilitate people that do stuff like that | 23:51 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, so far it's mostly paid employees. | 23:51 |
| GAN900 | and a few hardcore hackers | 23:51 |
| GAN900 | But the issue comes down to it not catering to anybody who's just a user, engaged or not. | 23:52 |
| GAN900 | Which is partially due to there being no devices yet and no usable platform to speak of. | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: playing devil's advocate here: how should a platform cater to users? | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | like, areas you'd like to see it do so in | 23:53 |
| GAN900 | But also a function of the type of collaboration that goes on in that space. | 23:53 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, it doesn't, really, if people only ever see a vendor's intepretation. | 23:53 |
| GAN900 | And by "it", I mean meego.com as a collaboration space. | 23:54 |
| GAN900 | Not MeeGo as a software platform. | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | well, it brings to an interesting point..let's say we have Nokia MeeGo eventually | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | where should their bugs go? | 23:54 |
| GAN900 | (why does the language for these discussions suck so much) | 23:54 |
| GAN900 | As it stands, it's likely to be /dev/null | 23:54 |
| GAN900 | Since clearly they're not welcome on meego.com | 23:55 |
| sofar | depends, if they're meego.com components they're very welcome | 23:55 |
| GAN900 | and clearly Nokia isn't going to offer a bugzilla. | 23:55 |
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| GAN900 | and we know how much Nokia (doesn't) Care. ;) | 23:56 |
| GAN900 | So, real people only ever see vendors' interpretations of MeeGo. | 23:56 |
| sofar | yes, likely | 23:56 |
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| GAN900 | Vendors' interpretations aren't relevant to meego.com | 23:56 |
| w00t_ | so let's close it down and all go drinking | 23:57 |
| * w00t_ nods | 23:57 | |
| sofar | hehehe | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | w00t_: you can't leave the house, the feds have you surrounded | 23:57 |
| GAN900 | Thus you can't really have real people under a certain contribution point involved in meego.com | 23:57 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: eheh.. i do wonder what that was about | 23:57 |
| sofar | they're over by my house, he's safe | 23:57 |
| johnx | w00t_, do I need to come bust you out? | 23:57 |
| GAN900 | Which leads me to my question of where (and how) do we set up the maemo.org magic? | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: where did maemo.org start out anyway? i think of the involvement with community as involvement by app developers in the platform and giving feedback on it | 23:59 |
| Stskeeps | in the beginning | 23:59 |
| Stskeeps | then it expanded to be more like user minded which well, didn't work well | 23:59 |
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