IRC log of #meego for Monday, 2010-09-27

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vltRhi, can anyoune tell me something about meego for n900?01:36
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leinirvltR: Sure! One thing to tell you about it is that it exists ;)01:41
leinirIf you qualify your question with an actual bit of information you might like to get, then we can probably help you a bit better ;)01:41
johnxvltR, it must be installed to a microSD card01:43
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vltRmy question is01:45
vltRis it capable of everyday use01:45
vltRdoes it support calling, sms'ing, web browsing? ;]01:45
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johnxbarely, maybe, it did and will gain01:47
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johnxso, I'd say, no it's really not ready for everyday use01:47
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berndhsjohnx: just not as a phone, otherwise its real cool :)01:52
johnxI guess "everyday usable" depends on what you use it for ;)01:53
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andre__vltR, I would not call it usable, no. I've been trying the releases of the last weeks and many things still don't work.01:55
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Mat_Matanmorning06:24
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bef0rduhm there's something wrong with this meego, everytime I wake up my netbook, my modem/ap internet connection stops working :|07:21
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sofarbef0rd: check if there's a bugzilla about that, if not, file one07:36
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bef0rdwill check sofar, it wasnt happening with previous image though07:43
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slainemorning all09:57
Stskeepsmorn slaine09:57
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segobican anyone tell me if this disk is running in sata mode or ide ?10:18
segobiata3.00: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 300)10:18
segobi[    2.560164] ata3.01: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)10:18
segobi[    2.565904] ata3.00: ATA-8: SanDisk pSSD-S2 16GB, SSD 6.00, max UDMA/13310:18
segobi[    2.565916] ata3.00: 31277232 sectors, multi 1: LBA4810:18
segobi[    2.591056] ata3.00: configured for UDMA/13310:18
segobi[    2.591407] scsi 2:0:0:0: Direct-Access     ATA      SanDisk pSSD-S2  SSD   PQ: 0 ANSI: 510:18
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sofarsegobi: clearly says "ata3.00: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps"10:27
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segobiyeah just though because it also says sata link down10:30
segobiagain10:30
sofarthat's the other port10:30
sofar3:0110:30
segobiah ok thx10:30
sofarmost sata controllers have 2 ports10:30
segobithanks for the info!10:31
segobididnt see it10:31
segobimost sata drives can run in IDE mode right ?10:31
segobiI got some external case for that mini pci express SSD and it only runs IDE not SATA10:32
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segobihope its compatible10:32
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tigorhugohi12:48
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tigorhugoanybody knows how much will Nokia N9 with Meego os  sell ?12:50
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Stskeepsno, we don't own timemachines12:50
Myrttitigorhugo: it's not a published product, so there's no way of telling12:51
tigorhugohaha12:51
w00t_Stskeeps: speak for yourself.. *efg*12:51
MyrttiI own a microwave that could pass from a time machine.12:52
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theplicare pyqt applications preferred for meego?12:53
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tigorhugoGoogle says yes12:57
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Tumi_try "lol" =)13:10
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foxfellhi all, what about n900 port?14:54
Termanafoxfell, what about it?14:55
foxfelli mean: where can i get status14:56
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Termanafoxfell, http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/HandsetTestReport/N900Sanity2010092414:57
Stskeepshttp://wiki.meego.com/Quality/HandsetTestReport/N900Acceptance20100927 too14:58
Stskeeps:P14:58
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foxfelltnx14:58
Termanafoxfell, go with Stskeeps' one, the one I pointed to is old :P14:58
Myrttiso can you or can't you make phonecalls with it yet?15:00
Stskeepsyou can15:00
Myrttiso what's phonesim?15:00
Stskeepsphonesim is a phone simulator for ofono15:01
Stskeepsalternate driver, n900 modem is in use on n90015:01
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seif_ok guys i got me a microssd card from my gf15:37
seif_2 GB15:37
seif_but she does not have an adapter15:37
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FunkyPenguinfcrozat, isnt that kernel thing a holdover from fedora's kernel policy?16:02
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fcrozatFunkyPenguin: no, it is a patch in libzypp meego package16:02
fcrozatat least, it is not describe as a "policy"16:03
fcrozats/describe/described/16:03
infobotfcrozat meant: at least, it is not described as a "policy"16:03
fcrozatthanks infobot :)16:03
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FunkyPenguinfcrozat, fair enough, i just remember RHT used to always install all kernels in parrelel and let users choose which they wanted16:04
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fcrozatFunkyPenguin: we had a similar policy at Mandriva. But you end with a lot of kernel installed16:04
fcrozatwe tried to teach MandrivaUpdate to remove all but 3 kernels16:05
FunkyPenguinwhat happens if you just use yum for package management instead of zypp?16:05
fcrozatbut it was just workarounding the issue16:05
fcrozatFunkyPenguin: no idea.. gpk is using libzypp and I'm not really interested in testing yet another package manager16:05
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FunkyPenguinheh16:06
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RST38hAnyone considered removing redundant package managers, etc?16:07
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seif_FunkyPenguin, khello16:15
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FunkyPenguinseif_, ahlan16:18
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MyrttiJaffa: ping16:28
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seif_wow meego is slow on the n90016:32
seif_ very very slow16:32
Stskeepsseif_: what version did you download?16:33
Stskeepsand first boot is always slow16:33
Stskeepskeep in mind nothing is prestarted16:33
seif_not the boot16:33
seif_working with it16:33
seif_non responsive at all16:34
seif_as in the UX16:34
Stskeepshmm, that sounds different than my experience16:34
Stskeepswhat class SD16:34
Stskeeps?16:34
seif_huh?16:34
Stskeepsyou know there's class 2,4,6 etc..16:34
seif_hwo do i figure it out16:34
seif_?16:34
Stskeepsusually there's a nice circle on the microsd16:35
seif_no circled here16:36
seif_its a scandisk 2 GB16:36
seif_if it matters16:36
Stskeepsthen it's probably a class 1, ie, bloody slow :P16:36
seif_how can i get it on my emmc16:37
seif_?16:37
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Stskeepscan't, atm16:37
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JaffaMyrtti: pong16:38
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seif_Stskeeps, r u running meeg ofulltime16:43
Stskeepsnot yet16:43
Stskeepsi will, eventually16:43
Stskeepsto eat my own dogfood16:43
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seif_wht version r u using16:43
Stskeepsright now? 0924.416:43
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seif_same here16:45
seif_Stskeeps, why can i see the battery status yet16:46
seif_or  the wlan16:46
Stskeepswlan works fine16:46
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andre__hmm, booting latest MeeGo on N900 hangs at "Generating SSH1 RSA host key: _" (like BMO#708)16:49
Stskeepsversion?16:49
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andre__meego-handset-armv7l-n900acceptance-1.0.90.4.20100924.416:50
Stskeepsok16:50
Stskeepsfile a bug, didn't see that before though16:50
Stskeepsand CC carsten@maemo.org on it16:50
andre__thanks16:51
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* Jaffa needs to download the latest image and flash his N900.16:52
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seif_Stskeeps, could it be that meego does not ask for the pin16:58
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Stskeepsseif_: yes and phone functionality will only work on one without pin atm17:10
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seif_if only maemo supported portrait mode17:12
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Jaffaseif_: Maemo does support portrait mode.17:15
Jaffaseif_: I suspect you mean "if only more applications on Maemo supported portrait mode".17:15
seif_Jaffa, yeah that is what i meant17:15
seif_example the home screen17:15
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seif_trying nitdroid17:17
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Stskeepsevening zenvoid18:07
zenvoidhello Stskeeps18:07
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TejWCHello, my name is TejWC. I am rather new here and I got a silly question. Right now MeeGo on the "Netbook" looks very different than MeeGo on the handset or tablet. So, this is difference going to stay like this or will the UI converge at some point?18:36
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TejWCI guess nobody is actually actively reading this channel  :-/18:43
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StskeepsTejWC: i'm not sure, but i think netbook is a legacy ui and might eventually be replaced with a qt based one18:46
TejWCStskeeps: Thanks. I assume the legacy is due to the "Moblin" project inheritance so I guess I can safely ignore it.18:48
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biodihello, anyone interested in participating in an open source study?19:07
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KAhi, anyone into madde or meego sdk? I'm trying to install madde but create_from_image fails19:09
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slonopotamusbtw. i saw a first-device-with-meego announce today, WeTab.19:47
slonopotamushttp://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/WePad-and-NFS-NPad/19:48
Stskeeps:nod:19:48
wmaroneI would like to see the WeTab with an ARM19:48
TejWCPre-order only :(19:48
wmaronethe power savings alone would be worth it19:48
slonopotamuswmarone: many people would like to :)19:49
slonopotamusi'd say there's no reason to use x86 in mobile devices unless you're running windows19:50
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TejWCslonopotamus: or if you are sponsored by Intel ;)19:53
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kaosumI have a question about the MeeGo downloads for netbooks. Is the only difference in both downloads is that one comes with Google Chrome? What does the one without the Google Chrome come with?20:11
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sNiff3lsHi everybody, can someone tell me whats the default root password for meego-ivi? I couldnt specify one at the installation.20:15
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DawnFosterkaosum: the other one comes with Chromium (the open source version of chrome)20:24
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stephgsNiff3ls: root and meego passwords are likely 'meego' without the quotes20:30
sNiff3lshm but if i type sudo <some-command> and use meego as passwort it says: "meego is not in the sudoers file. this incident will be reported."20:31
sNiff3lshmpf su works...20:31
sNiff3lsthanks20:31
stephgwell as the error says20:31
stephgthe meego user isn't in /etc/sudoers20:32
stephgyou'd need to add it, but as you see su works20:32
CosmoHillI can confirm that the passwords are "meego"20:32
stephgCosmoHill maybe ;)20:32
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stephgsNiff3ls: You'd want to add the following line to /etc/sudoers (using visudo):20:33
stephgmeego ALL=(ALL)20:34
stephgscrub that, should be:20:34
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stephgmeego ALL=(ALL)    ALL20:34
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sNiff3lsyeah found it already20:35
sNiff3lsthanks anyway20:35
stephgnp20:35
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CosmoHillwb auke20:54
aukepidgin say POOF20:54
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theplicok quick question20:54
theplicqt or pyqt?20:54
aukeMTF20:55
theplicmtf?20:55
aukemeego touch framework20:55
Purtidid anyone try QT-Quick on meego?20:55
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aukewoo, transifex-client finally made it to trunk21:06
aukediegobz: ^^21:06
theplicauke: what is it?21:06
theplicis it an app you created?21:06
aukea cli for transifex. no it's just the upstream package.21:07
theplicauke: do you know how i can submit bugs21:07
theplicor rather how i can setup and build the source21:07
aukethose are 2 very different things :)21:08
aukeeverything is in src.rpms that you can rpmbuild21:08
theplicauke: sorry. i meant patches for bugs21:08
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aukesubmitting bugs? -> bugs.meego.com21:08
theplici need the source to build21:08
aukeyou can extract src.rpms and then you get the source code and all patches21:09
theplicauke: where can i find src.rpms?21:09
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aukerepo.meego.com21:09
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theplicauke: should i look under build/trunk?21:10
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auketheplic: I can't anser that, you need to figure out yourself which src.rpm's are for your system21:14
theplicauke: ok ty21:14
CosmoHilldoes the repo have ftp access?21:14
theplicCosmoHill: are you asking me?21:16
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aukeCosmoHill: afaik no21:20
aukeftp? what's that?21:20
CosmoHillsomething that allows me to go "get *" :)21:20
aukeand now you know why we don't have ftp21:21
CosmoHill:(21:21
aukehaha21:21
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aukenot like wget can't crawl a folder for you21:22
CosmoHillit can? :o21:22
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aukejust mirror the folder with a depth of 121:22
DawnFostertheplic: You might also find this documentation about submitting patches to meego useful: http://meego.com/about/contribution-guidelines21:23
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theplicDawnFoster: thanks but what i really need is help on how to setup the dev environment21:24
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CosmoHillauke: I have a plan for meego from scratch21:24
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aukeCosmoHill: haha21:31
CosmoHillI have quiet a lot of plans at the moment and some of them are stressing me out :/21:31
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* theplic gives CosmoHill some coffee21:32
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* CosmoHill waves his wand and turns it into tea21:32
CosmoHillno idea where I got this liquid wand from, I think an op gave it to me in another channel21:32
theplicoh21:33
theplici like tea21:33
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theplicespecially lemon21:33
CosmoHillI've never had coffee21:33
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PurtiI intend to develop a camera app for meego...any idea which hardware i should plan to test the app?21:52
Stskeepsanything that can implement gst-photography, i think21:52
Purtii want to use QT, QT Mobility and Gstreamer..21:53
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rrixHiyo... I've got access to the Meego buildservice instance but had kind of given up on it since I couldn't find the webui instance or it didn't exist or something... Has any of that changed/plan to change now that there is new servers and shinies at OSUOSL for MeeGo's buildservice?21:54
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Stskeepsthere's supposed to open a community obs fairly soon21:55
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rrixYup.. but I already have access to the non-community one, I just can't figure out osc well enough to navigate it.21:55
Stskeepsbuild.meego.com - what do you plan on doing there?21:56
rrixah! now it's there?21:56
rrixStskeeps: kde plasma-mobile builds21:56
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diegobzauke: awesome!22:21
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CosmoHillCool, Nokia Netbook is on the Gadget show on channel 5 now22:26
marnanelOn the handset UX, mdecorator crashes for me with these errors: http://pastebin.ca/1949830  Am I doing something obviously wrong?  The stylesheets it's asking for do indeed not exist, but they aren't installed by the stylesheet packages.22:28
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