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| smithna | Does anyone know, will installing something like lirc from fedora work on meego (since it doesn't natively have that) | 00:21 |
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| lcuk | smithna, whilst you may be able to take the source and build with meego sdk, its not usual to allow directly using packages built for other distros | 00:22 |
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| smithna | too bad... There's a number of things *missing* (probably the wrong word here) that other distros have working rather well, would be nice to import thier working solutions. | 00:25 |
| lcuk | smithna, i dont know the process to actually request things be brought in its something thats being ramped up though as more people expect fully usable system with all the apps they normally expect from a distro | 00:28 |
| smithna | would that be through bugreports? | 00:28 |
| lcuk | thats one option certainly, but I dont know how people are actually doing it at the moment | 00:29 |
| Flipi | hmm, can i boot meego with N900-bootmenu? | 00:30 |
| lcuk | ie: i hear some Intel folks have internally built versions of packages (like open office | 00:30 |
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| Flipi | or temporary flash? | 00:30 |
| lcuk | Flipi, thats the "normal" way (temporary flashing) you put the main body of meego onto an external MMC, then flash the kernel which boots | 00:31 |
| lcuk | once you reboot from meego, it reverts to normal maemo | 00:31 |
| smithna | lcuk: I'm looking through the WIKI to see if it says anything | 00:31 |
| lcuk | good smithna | 00:31 |
| Flipi | ok the image is on my SD card | 00:31 |
| Flipi | (sorry for my bad english, i am german) | 00:31 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC | 00:32 |
| lcuk | Flipi, read through that | 00:32 |
| Flipi | ok | 00:32 |
| Krimpet | The next version of Fedora, which should be out in a couple months, will have MeeGo available as a desktop environment, which should help for those who want all the functionality of a traditional distro. | 00:32 |
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| smithna | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MeeGo_1.0 | 00:34 |
| Krimpet | Yep, that's it. Unfortunately I've had problems with the current Fedora 14 alpha (Python dependency issues, which probably aren't MeeGo-specific), but the F14 beta should be out in less than a week. | 00:36 |
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| Flipi | ok, but is the flasher for the device aviable? | 00:37 |
| Flipi | or over my windowns machine | 00:37 |
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| Flipi | windows* | 00:37 |
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| bef0rd | Flipi, you are better asking on #meego-arm but yes, flasher 3.5 is available on windows aswell, and you can boot the meego kernel with flasher, without actually 'installing' it on the n900, once you reboot, maemo will work again | 00:39 |
| ScottishDuck | I hope F14 cleans up the mess that was F13 | 00:39 |
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| daleglass | hello! I tried using the rescue inird on my n900 (running maemo currently). It boots, but the backlight is off, and no matter what I do it reboots in about 5 seconds | 00:50 |
| sofar | a maemo rescue initrd? | 00:52 |
| daleglass | no, I'm trying to use this: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd | 00:53 |
| daleglass | the phone currently has the standard maemo install on it | 00:53 |
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| Flipi | gives a flasher for the N900 | 00:54 |
| Flipi | or musst i flash from my windows system? | 00:54 |
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| johnx | Flipi, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ (flashers for other systems) | 00:55 |
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| smithna | after a little reading -- fedora 14 is only giving the meego netbook UX option | 00:59 |
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| CosmoHill | a little reading is a dangerious things | 01:00 |
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| smithna | that's why I have to watch my quota (getting close to max for today) | 01:05 |
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| taiffu | Hi, 'm new here and new Meego user also. I Have just installed Meego to my Pc-eee 701 and I like it :) | 01:23 |
| CosmoHill | that's good :) | 01:24 |
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| taiffu | There seems some problems like yum and zyppers fails and I get core dumped notice :(. Is this someting to do with that meego is done for intel atom processors? | 01:25 |
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| CosmoHill | what processor do you have? | 01:28 |
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| taiffu | Well I think that processor in asus pc-eee 701 is celeron so its not SSSE3 | 01:29 |
| CosmoHill | that would be it | 01:29 |
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| taiffu | I have also installed meego SDK, but wondering if I build my own binarys example for yum do I need to some how telle whic processor version it should be compiled? I have sucefull compile xinput_calibrator for my Meego device but I'm not noticed any processor settings etc.. | 01:32 |
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| CosmoHill | some things require SSSE3 to run and if your prcessor doesn't support that you get "illegal instruction" | 01:33 |
| taiffu | yep | 01:34 |
| taiffu | so I need to hack code for non SSSE3 devices | 01:34 |
| CosmoHill | look up non-SSSE3 on the meego wiki | 01:34 |
| taiffu | yes I all ready found it | 01:34 |
| CosmoHill | luck: btw it took me 4 hours to compile the cross-tools for LFS which I think can be used for MFS | 01:35 |
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| taiffu | Maybe I try to morrow that lates trunk image how that works witn mpc-eee 701 | 01:36 |
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| daleglass | does the n900 have a watchdog of some sort that reboots it automatically? | 01:52 |
| felipec | daleglass: yeap, AFAIK | 01:53 |
| johnx | it can be disabled with flasher | 01:53 |
| daleglass | felipec: ok, and how do I tell it not to do that? I'm trying the rescue initrd, but the device resets a few seconds after booting | 01:54 |
| felipec | daleglass: yeap, as johnx said ^ | 01:54 |
| daleglass | felipec, johnx: can you give more details on that? I don't see anything in flasher's --help that would explain how | 01:55 |
| johnx | something about retu wd | 01:56 |
| daleglass | about what? | 01:56 |
| johnx | it's an RD mode flag | 01:56 |
| johnx | one sec | 01:56 |
| daleglass | aha, --enable-rd-mode maybe? | 01:57 |
| johnx | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44030 | 01:57 |
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| johnx | enabling rd mode is only part of it | 01:57 |
| johnx | I guess the flag itself isn't in flasher documentation | 01:58 |
| johnx | I found that post with "N900 disable watchdog" | 01:58 |
| daleglass | coolness, thanks a lot | 01:58 |
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| daleglass | well, now it kinda works. Except the symbol key won't work, so I can only use the alphabetic characters | 02:05 |
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| theplic | i get a seg fault when i run chromium-browser via the chroot | 07:08 |
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| taiffu | I have now latest Meego netbook version under testing in my Pc-EEE 701, but still that yum and zypper causes error "Illegal Intructions". | 11:25 |
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| thiago_home | you need a better processor | 11:27 |
| thiago_home | MeeGo is built for Core2 or Atom processors | 11:27 |
| taiffu | Sure I know, but there is nonSSSE3 project ongoing also | 11:27 |
| thiago_home | use that | 11:28 |
| taiffu | well I trued that latest meego trunk version already, but same problem with yum is stille there | 11:29 |
| theplic | Core2 ? zypper works on my dual core pentium | 11:29 |
| thiago_home | "trued" ? | 11:30 |
| taiffu | in meego wiki there is that Sanity report where that yum is repoted to work alredy with other asus laptop e.g 901 | 11:30 |
| thiago_home | don't trust it | 11:30 |
| thiago_home | the use of SSSE3 instructions might change from build to build | 11:30 |
| taiffu | hmm | 11:31 |
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| smithna | Does anyone know what packages are necessary to compile the intel drivers? | 17:12 |
| CosmoHill | hold on | 17:19 |
| CosmoHill | zypper install -t pattern development-tools | 17:19 |
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| smithna | looking at that now | 17:23 |
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| opennix | HI I am newbee developer, I want to know if I can develop on my laptop.. cause i cant afford a netbook as yet? | 17:24 |
| smithna | already installed | 17:24 |
| smithna | http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux | 17:26 |
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| smithna | CosmoHill: I have (what I think) are all the x11 packages needed for compiling the intel driver, but I am getting configure problems -- specifically about xorg_server >= 1.6 and things like xproto, fontsproto, etc even though they are all installed | 17:28 |
| opennix | anyway to get it to work on windows? | 17:29 |
| opennix | not linux host | 17:29 |
| smithna | http://wiki.mhttp://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_on_Windows_with_VirtualBox | 17:30 |
| smithna | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_on_Windows_with_VirtualBox | 17:30 |
| smithna | (oops.) | 17:31 |
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| smithna | one configure message that I don't follow -- "No package 'x11' found", what X11 package is it referring too? | 17:37 |
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| CosmoHill | smithna: ah | 17:41 |
| CosmoHill | there are some more packages | 17:41 |
| CosmoHill | go "zypper search development" | 17:41 |
| CosmoHill | I've told you to install one of the packages | 17:42 |
| CosmoHill | you may want to install the other two | 17:42 |
| smithna | ok, off to try | 17:42 |
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| smithna | the search turns up two more possible packages.... However, attempting to do "zypper install x-software-development" (for example) returns "no provider..." -- which doesn't make sense. | 17:48 |
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| smithna | NM, figured that out -- trying again | 17:52 |
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| taiffu | Where I can find out that meego version from that zypper? I like to try find out why its crash in my Pc-eee 701 | 18:18 |
| stephg | taiffu, what do you mean? | 18:19 |
| taiffu | zypper source code | 18:19 |
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| taiffu | it seems crash always with "illecal insruction" | 18:20 |
| smithna | Holy dep hell, batman -- now I can't find glxint.h (while I try and compile the intel drivers) | 18:20 |
| stephg | smithna, you love it :P | 18:20 |
| smithna | lol | 18:21 |
| Tm_T | taiffu: so you are using binaries that arent built to your device? | 18:21 |
| stephg | taiffu, when it crashes, what are you trying to do? (install/update/delete/search etc) | 18:21 |
| taiffu | yes, I use those meego provided netbook binyries | 18:21 |
| taiffu | That crash will happen always I try update or install | 18:21 |
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| taiffu | nothing else i have not tried yet | 18:22 |
| Tm_T | those binaries are built with SSSE3 ...which your device doesn't have? | 18:22 |
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| taiffu | yes I think those binayes are build for SSSE3 so I need new binrys for my pc eee 701 | 18:22 |
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| taiffu | which usin celeron processor | 18:22 |
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| vnepo | hello peeps | 18:23 |
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| taiffu | so maybe I get that zypper and yum works if try compile new version for my 701 | 18:26 |
| stephg | taiffu, even if you do get zypper to work you're going to have all sorts of trouble with other apps | 18:27 |
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| taiffu | yes, but one by one I can try compile version from those in my own repository example or use something other repository | 18:28 |
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| taiffu | Currentyly it seems that meego is running in my pc-eee 701, but I cannot user zypper and some other smaller applications | 18:29 |
| stephg | well you should be able to get the srpm for it | 18:30 |
| stephg | and then you can try building yourself | 18:30 |
| stephg | I just reckon that your whole toolchain may not work :( | 18:30 |
| taiffu | yes :D thats tool chaing is one problem too | 18:30 |
| taiffu | I have tunnet up now sdk to my pc and trying found out where start :D | 18:31 |
| stephg | well the sources are all available here: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/netbook/repos/source/ | 18:31 |
| stephg | for example | 18:31 |
| taiffu | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/netbook/repos/source/ | 18:32 |
| stephg | have a hunt around that tree and then you'll be able to find the version that you have (also look at /etc/meego-release) | 18:32 |
| Tm_T | would rather recommend trying to find the whole distro binaries more suitable to the hardware | 18:32 |
| stephg | Tm_T: well yeah, but taiffu does seem persistent :) | 18:32 |
| Tm_T | I have a feeling that instructing him to build those few binaries himself, you cause more harm than good though (: | 18:34 |
| stephg | well I did say :) | 18:35 |
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| taiffu | Well, just playing something with this meego and if something fails I can always start again :) | 18:39 |
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| smithna | anyone know what package holds "glxint.h"? using "zypper search glxint.h" doesn't result in anything... | 18:42 |
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| stephg | a google for other distros would have it in x11-proto-devel | 18:45 |
| smithna | which meego doesn't seem to have... | 18:45 |
| stephg | cool :) | 18:45 |
| stephg | er | 18:45 |
| smithna | I just needed to change one number in the intel drivers.... just one. | 18:46 |
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| * smithna wonders how the intel drivers were compiled... | 18:50 | |
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| CosmoHill | you'll require a goat... | 18:51 |
| smithna | lol | 18:52 |
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| stephg | smithna, looks like there's an xorg-x11-proto-glproto | 18:56 |
| stephg | you got that? | 18:56 |
| stephg | though that's not the devel | 18:56 |
| stephg | ignore me | 18:56 |
| * smithna will take any hints | 18:57 | |
| * smithna didn't ignore stephg andi it pays off... | 18:58 | |
| stephg | really? | 19:00 |
| stephg | that's just fluke :) | 19:00 |
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| smithna | fluke or not -- it pays off to look at all suggestions | 19:05 |
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| * smithna hopes this change to the driver actually works... | 19:08 | |
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| stephg | well good luck with it smithna | 19:09 |
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| taiffu | hmm, gdb says that zypper it self working ok, but Illegal Instructions comes from libcurl.so.4 | 19:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | An awful lot of the t-shirt design submissions seem to be featuring beer. | 19:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's funny that the one that's going to be completely unreasonable to have printed is the one with the most votes. | 19:36 |
| RST38h | Ask lcuk to design a tshirt, he will add BACON! | 19:36 |
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| * Jaffa likes John Lehmann's (westkauai) best, then Texrat's. The rest are too "meh". | 19:39 | |
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| * Jaffa 's criteria is "which would I wear again" | 19:39 | |
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| CosmoHill | Jaffa: "would I wear it in public" | 19:44 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | Anyone who has access to this wiki page: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox I'd like to make a simple suggestion, maybe there's a reason for it, but for the workaround for the background image, why not just use wget right in the VM instead of trying to scp to the host? It worked here, and is probably a bit easier. | 19:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, too much beer on that one. :P | 19:45 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Pretend it's a passkey ;-) | 19:45 |
| Jaffa | CosmoHill: Well, people'll do stupid things when lots of other people are doing it too. See, for example, the "Fixed in Fremantle" shirts in Amsterdam last year ;-) | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | The "In Ireland" one is nice, although I'd drop the nonsensical phrase and move the textflow to the back. | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully the design will be open to at least a little tweaking. | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Texrat's is nice, too, but it needs simplification. | 19:47 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: From a distance it looks like an Archimedes logo. | 19:47 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: http://jscustom.theoldcomputer.com/images/manufacturers_systems/Acorn/Archimedes/262284archimedes_logo.jpg | 19:48 |
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| berndhs | GeneralAntilles: plain white shirts would be the most re-usable | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | berndhs, yes, but we want to be able to remember where we got them. :P | 20:06 |
| berndhs | ok then , plain white shirt and include a permanent marker pen | 20:07 |
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| sp3000 | oh, be ambitious | 20:29 |
| sp3000 | include a free bonus artist with every shirt | 20:29 |
| sp3000 | (and a marker :P) | 20:29 |
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| marnanel | libmeegotouch, from C++, on the handset UX isn't working for me at all. This program, which is just a "hello world" identical to the program in the tutorial, puts up a window, then there's a ton of X errors, then it crashes. http://pastebin.ca/1949063 Am I doing something obviously broken? | 20:45 |
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| taiffu | Ok, Zypper seems works now after I took libcurl source and compile new version for pc-eee from that lib. | 21:49 |
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