IRC log of #meego for Sunday, 2010-09-26

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smithnaDoes anyone know, will installing something like lirc from fedora work on meego (since it doesn't natively have that)00:21
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lcuksmithna, whilst you may be able to take the source and build with meego sdk, its not usual to allow directly using packages built for other distros00:22
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smithnatoo bad...  There's a number of things *missing* (probably the wrong word here) that other distros have working rather well, would be nice to import thier working solutions.00:25
lcuksmithna, i dont know the process to actually request things be brought in its something thats being ramped up though as more people expect fully usable system with all the apps they normally expect from a distro00:28
smithnawould that be through bugreports?00:28
lcukthats one option certainly, but I dont know how people are actually doing it at the moment00:29
Flipihmm, can i boot meego with N900-bootmenu?00:30
lcukie: i hear some Intel folks have internally built versions of packages (like open office00:30
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Flipior temporary flash?00:30
lcukFlipi, thats the "normal" way (temporary flashing)  you put the main body of meego onto an external MMC, then flash the kernel which boots00:31
lcukonce you reboot from meego, it reverts to normal maemo00:31
smithnalcuk: I'm looking through the WIKI to see if it says anything00:31
lcukgood smithna00:31
Flipiok  the image is on my SD card00:31
Flipi(sorry for my bad english, i am german)00:31
lcukhttp://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC00:32
lcukFlipi, read through that00:32
Flipiok00:32
KrimpetThe next version of Fedora, which should be out in a couple months, will have MeeGo available as a desktop environment, which should help for those who want all the functionality of a traditional distro.00:32
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smithnahttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MeeGo_1.000:34
KrimpetYep, that's it. Unfortunately I've had problems with the current Fedora 14 alpha (Python dependency issues, which probably aren't MeeGo-specific), but the F14 beta should be out in less than a week.00:36
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Flipiok, but is the flasher for the device aviable?00:37
Flipior over my windowns machine00:37
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Flipiwindows*00:37
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bef0rdFlipi, you are better asking on #meego-arm but yes, flasher 3.5 is available on windows aswell, and you can boot the meego kernel with flasher, without actually 'installing' it on the n900, once you reboot, maemo will work again00:39
ScottishDuckI hope F14 cleans up the mess that was F1300:39
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daleglasshello! I tried using the rescue inird on my n900 (running maemo currently). It boots, but the backlight is off, and no matter what I do it reboots in about 5 seconds00:50
sofara maemo rescue initrd?00:52
daleglassno, I'm trying to use this: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd00:53
daleglassthe phone currently has the standard maemo install on it00:53
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Flipigives a flasher for the N90000:54
Flipior musst i flash from my windows system?00:54
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johnxFlipi, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ (flashers for other systems)00:55
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smithnaafter a little reading -- fedora 14 is only giving the meego netbook UX option00:59
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CosmoHilla little reading is a dangerious things01:00
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smithnathat's why I have to watch my quota (getting close to max for today)01:05
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taiffuHi, 'm new here and new Meego user also. I Have just installed Meego to my Pc-eee 701 and I like it :)01:23
CosmoHillthat's good :)01:24
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taiffuThere seems some problems like yum and zyppers fails and I get core dumped notice :(. Is this someting to do with that meego is done for intel atom processors?01:25
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CosmoHillwhat processor do you have?01:28
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taiffuWell I think that processor in asus pc-eee 701 is celeron so its not SSSE301:29
CosmoHillthat would be it01:29
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taiffuI have also installed meego SDK, but wondering if I build my own binarys example for yum do I need to some how telle whic processor version it should be compiled? I have sucefull compile xinput_calibrator for my Meego device but I'm not noticed any processor settings etc..01:32
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CosmoHillsome things require SSSE3 to run and if your prcessor doesn't support that you get "illegal instruction"01:33
taiffuyep01:34
taiffuso I need to hack code for non SSSE3 devices01:34
CosmoHilllook up non-SSSE3 on the meego wiki01:34
taiffuyes I all ready found it01:34
CosmoHillluck: btw it took me 4 hours to compile the cross-tools for LFS which I think can be used for MFS01:35
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taiffuMaybe I try to morrow that lates trunk image how that works witn mpc-eee 70101:36
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daleglassdoes the n900 have a watchdog of some sort that reboots it automatically?01:52
felipecdaleglass: yeap, AFAIK01:53
johnxit can be disabled with flasher01:53
daleglassfelipec: ok, and how do I tell it not to do that? I'm trying the rescue initrd, but the device resets a few seconds after booting01:54
felipecdaleglass: yeap, as johnx said ^01:54
daleglassfelipec, johnx: can you give more details on that? I don't see anything in flasher's --help that would explain how01:55
johnxsomething about retu wd01:56
daleglassabout what?01:56
johnxit's an RD mode flag01:56
johnxone sec01:56
daleglassaha, --enable-rd-mode maybe?01:57
johnxhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=4403001:57
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johnxenabling rd mode is only part of it01:57
johnxI guess the flag itself isn't in flasher documentation01:58
johnxI found that post with "N900 disable watchdog"01:58
daleglasscoolness, thanks a lot01:58
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daleglasswell, now it kinda works. Except the symbol key won't work, so I can only use the alphabetic characters02:05
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theplici get a seg fault when i run chromium-browser via the chroot07:08
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taiffuI have now latest Meego netbook version under testing in my Pc-EEE 701, but still that yum and zypper causes error "Illegal Intructions".11:25
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thiago_homeyou need a better processor11:27
thiago_homeMeeGo is built for Core2 or Atom processors11:27
taiffuSure I know, but there is nonSSSE3 project ongoing also11:27
thiago_homeuse that11:28
taiffuwell I trued that latest meego trunk version already, but same problem with yum is stille there11:29
theplicCore2 ? zypper works on my dual core pentium11:29
thiago_home"trued" ?11:30
taiffuin meego wiki there is that Sanity report where that yum is repoted to work alredy with other asus laptop e.g 90111:30
thiago_homedon't trust it11:30
thiago_homethe use of SSSE3 instructions might change from build to build11:30
taiffuhmm11:31
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smithnaDoes anyone know what packages are necessary to compile the intel drivers?17:12
CosmoHillhold on17:19
CosmoHillzypper install -t pattern development-tools17:19
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smithnalooking at that now17:23
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opennixHI I am newbee developer, I want to know if I can develop on my laptop.. cause  i cant afford a netbook as yet?17:24
smithnaalready installed17:24
smithnahttp://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux17:26
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smithnaCosmoHill: I have (what I think) are all the x11 packages needed for compiling the intel driver, but I am getting configure problems -- specifically about xorg_server >= 1.6 and things like xproto, fontsproto, etc even though they are all installed17:28
opennixanyway to get it to work on windows?17:29
opennixnot linux host17:29
smithnahttp://wiki.mhttp://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_on_Windows_with_VirtualBox17:30
smithnahttp://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_on_Windows_with_VirtualBox17:30
smithna(oops.)17:31
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smithnaone configure message that I don't follow -- "No package 'x11' found", what X11 package is it referring too?17:37
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CosmoHillsmithna: ah17:41
CosmoHillthere are some more packages17:41
CosmoHillgo "zypper search development"17:41
CosmoHillI've told you to install one of the packages17:42
CosmoHillyou may want to install the other two17:42
smithnaok, off to try17:42
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smithnathe search turns up two more possible packages....  However, attempting to do "zypper install x-software-development" (for example) returns "no provider..." -- which doesn't make sense.17:48
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smithnaNM, figured that out -- trying again17:52
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taiffuWhere I can find out that meego version from that zypper? I like to try find out why its crash in my Pc-eee 70118:18
stephgtaiffu, what do you mean?18:19
taiffuzypper source code18:19
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taiffuit seems crash always with "illecal insruction"18:20
smithnaHoly dep hell, batman -- now I can't find glxint.h (while I try and compile the intel drivers)18:20
stephgsmithna, you love it :P18:20
smithnalol18:21
Tm_Ttaiffu: so you are using binaries that arent built to your device?18:21
stephgtaiffu, when it crashes, what are you trying to do? (install/update/delete/search etc)18:21
taiffuyes, I use those meego provided netbook binyries18:21
taiffuThat crash will happen always I try update or install18:21
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taiffunothing else i have not tried yet18:22
Tm_Tthose binaries are built with SSSE3 ...which your device doesn't have?18:22
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taiffuyes I think those binayes are build for SSSE3 so I need new binrys for my pc eee 70118:22
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taiffuwhich usin celeron processor18:22
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vnepohello peeps18:23
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taiffuso maybe I get that zypper and yum works if try compile new version for my 70118:26
stephgtaiffu, even if you do get zypper to work you're going to have all sorts of trouble with other apps18:27
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taiffuyes, but one by one I can try compile version from those in my own repository example or use something other repository18:28
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taiffuCurrentyly it seems that meego is running in my pc-eee 701, but I cannot user zypper and some other smaller applications18:29
stephgwell you should be able to get the srpm for it18:30
stephgand then you can try building yourself18:30
stephgI just reckon that your whole toolchain may not work :(18:30
taiffuyes :D thats tool chaing is one problem too18:30
taiffuI have tunnet up now sdk to my pc and trying found out where start :D18:31
stephgwell the sources are all available here: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/netbook/repos/source/18:31
stephgfor example18:31
taiffuhttp://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/netbook/repos/source/18:32
stephghave a hunt around that tree and then you'll be able to find the version that you have (also look at /etc/meego-release)18:32
Tm_Twould rather recommend trying to find the whole distro binaries more suitable to the hardware18:32
stephgTm_T: well yeah, but taiffu does seem persistent :)18:32
Tm_TI have a feeling that instructing him to build those few binaries himself, you cause more harm than good though (:18:34
stephgwell I did say :)18:35
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taiffuWell, just playing something with this meego and if something fails I can always start again :)18:39
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smithnaanyone know what package holds "glxint.h"?  using "zypper search glxint.h" doesn't result in anything...18:42
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stephga google for other distros would have it in x11-proto-devel18:45
smithnawhich meego doesn't seem to have...18:45
stephgcool :)18:45
stephger18:45
smithnaI just needed to change one number in the intel drivers.... just one.18:46
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* smithna wonders how the intel drivers were compiled...18:50
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CosmoHillyou'll require a goat...18:51
smithnalol18:52
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stephgsmithna, looks like there's an xorg-x11-proto-glproto18:56
stephgyou got that?18:56
stephgthough that's not the devel18:56
stephgignore me18:56
* smithna will take any hints18:57
* smithna didn't ignore stephg andi it pays off...18:58
stephgreally?19:00
stephgthat's just fluke :)19:00
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smithnafluke or not -- it pays off to look at all suggestions19:05
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* smithna hopes this change to the driver actually works...19:08
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stephgwell good luck with it smithna19:09
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taiffuhmm, gdb says that zypper it self working ok, but Illegal Instructions comes from libcurl.so.419:20
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GeneralAntillesAn awful lot of the t-shirt design submissions seem to be featuring beer.19:36
GeneralAntillesIt's funny that the one that's going to be completely unreasonable to have printed is the one with the most votes.19:36
RST38hAsk lcuk to design a tshirt, he will add BACON!19:36
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* Jaffa likes John Lehmann's (westkauai) best, then Texrat's. The rest are too "meh".19:39
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* Jaffa 's criteria is "which would I wear again"19:39
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CosmoHillJaffa: "would I wear it in public"19:44
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Gizmokid2005Anyone who has access to this wiki page: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox I'd like to make a simple suggestion, maybe there's a reason for it, but for the workaround for the background image, why not just use wget right in the VM instead of trying to scp to the host? It worked here, and is probably a bit easier.19:45
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, too much beer on that one. :P19:45
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Pretend it's a passkey ;-)19:45
JaffaCosmoHill: Well, people'll do stupid things when lots of other people are doing it too. See, for example, the "Fixed in Fremantle" shirts in Amsterdam last year ;-)19:46
GeneralAntillesThe "In Ireland" one is nice, although I'd drop the nonsensical phrase and move the textflow to the back.19:46
GeneralAntillesHopefully the design will be open to at least a little tweaking.19:46
GeneralAntillesTexrat's is nice, too, but it needs simplification.19:47
JaffaGeneralAntilles: From a distance it looks like an Archimedes logo.19:47
JaffaGeneralAntilles: http://jscustom.theoldcomputer.com/images/manufacturers_systems/Acorn/Archimedes/262284archimedes_logo.jpg19:48
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berndhsGeneralAntilles: plain white shirts would be the most re-usable20:06
GeneralAntillesberndhs, yes, but we want to be able to remember where we got them. :P20:06
berndhsok then , plain white shirt and include a permanent marker pen20:07
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sp3000oh, be ambitious20:29
sp3000include a free bonus artist with every shirt20:29
sp3000(and a marker :P)20:29
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marnanellibmeegotouch, from C++, on the handset UX isn't working for me at all.  This program, which is just a "hello world" identical to the program in the tutorial, puts up a window, then there's a ton of X errors, then it crashes.  http://pastebin.ca/1949063  Am I doing something obviously broken?20:45
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taiffuOk, Zypper seems works now after I took libcurl source and compile new version for pc-eee from that lib.21:49
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