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| CosmoHill | http://i.imgur.com/jacoj.jpg :) | 01:11 |
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| lolloo | what's stacktrace? | 01:18 |
| lolloo | that developer looks like an alien mexican dude who works a gardener for me | 01:19 |
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| auke | a stack trace is a list of functions that a program executed to a problematic error | 01:21 |
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| auke | programs put pointers to "return" to the previous function it was in on "the stack" | 01:21 |
| auke | so, by looking at the stack, you can see which previous functions were being executed | 01:21 |
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| purserj | Hey all, I'm running a miniconf within linux.conf.au called mobilefoss. The focus of course will be open mobile platforms such as android. Does anyone mind if I post the link? | 02:43 |
| CosmoHill | I'm currently indifferent due to it being 12:44am | 02:45 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:56 |
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| purserj | well here it is for those who are still awake http://mobilefoss.jamespurser.com.au/Call_For_Papers | 03:05 |
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| __key__ | hi | 07:04 |
| __key__ | tell me, what is meego? | 07:04 |
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| Termana | I was just about to tell him... | 07:05 |
| Termana | Why is everyone so impatient? :P | 07:05 |
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| MauriceK | :) | 07:08 |
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| priyanka | hi , I am trying to build meego on my fedora machine, getting the following error: Retrieving http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/preview/core/repos/ia32/packages/i586/xterm-261-1.2.i586.rpm ...OK | 08:01 |
| priyanka | error: not an rpm package | 08:01 |
| priyanka | Traceback (most recent call last): | 08:01 |
| priyanka | File "/usr/bin/mic-image-creator", line 821, in <module> | 08:01 |
| priyanka | ret = main() | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | try clearing out your cache dir | 08:01 |
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| priyanka | @stskeeps... hmm it means I will have to download all the packages again.. | 08:02 |
| priyanka | it end with the following Error: Failed to run mic inside bootstrap environment. Return code: 1 | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | --run-mode=0 | 08:03 |
| priyanka | @Stskeeps thanks | 08:04 |
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| Krimpet | On my netbook running a newly installed and fully updated MeeGo 1.0, for some reason TTY-switching key combinations that usually require Ctrl-Alt- in X11 are being triggered by Alt-: Alt-Left/Right, Alt-F1, etc. This is a real pain, since I use Alt-Left/Right all the time in my browser; Is there a way to fix this? | 08:36 |
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| sofar | Krimpet: please file a bugreport on bugzilla.meego.com | 09:07 |
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| sofar | actually | 09:07 |
| sofar | add a comment to #5634 please | 09:07 |
| Krimpet | sofar, I found an existing one: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5634 | 09:08 |
| Krimpet | Yep, that one | 09:08 |
| Krimpet | I commented a few minutes ago. | 09:08 |
| sofar | can you update your system and re-test? | 09:08 |
| sofar | zypper refresh ; zypper update | 09:08 |
| Krimpet | sofar, zypper update says "Nothing to do." | 09:11 |
| sofar | thanks | 09:13 |
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| Myrtti | Good $timeofday everyone | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 10:12 |
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| thiago_home | Myrtti: it's always morning when you arrive on IRC, and always evening when you leave :-) | 10:13 |
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| Myrtti | thiago_home: I prefer "moin" or "$timeofday" | 10:13 |
| Myrtti | leaves less space for nitpickers | 10:13 |
| thiago_home | moin | 10:14 |
| Myrtti | I know, because I happen to be one | 10:14 |
| thiago_home | :-) | 10:14 |
| * thiago_home uses clock_gettime() more than gettimeofday() | 10:14 | |
| Myrtti | and yes, it happens to be morning. It took me three attempts to type 'everyone' correctly | 10:14 |
| Myrtti | so, #meego, what shall we do today? | 10:15 |
| thiago_home | try to conquer the world, pink^H^H^H^HMyrtti | 10:15 |
| Myrtti | \o/ | 10:15 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:56 |
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| amjad | morning | 10:59 |
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| timeless_pidgin | Stskeeps : ping | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | pong | 11:05 |
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| Stskeeps | sivang: ping | 11:09 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: poinig | 11:10 |
| sivang | ;) | 11:10 |
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| Stskeeps | sivang: did you receive an email regarding accepted talk? | 11:10 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: Yes, I did. timeless_pidgin : I noted to you the talk got accepted, and someone on the ML noted not all the registered presenters got the mail, just the submitters. | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | could you fwd timeless_pidgin it? | 11:11 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: ofcourse : | 11:11 |
| timeless_pidgin | Is there a bug report about not including registered presenters? | 11:12 |
| timeless_pidgin | That should be documented and fixed for the future | 11:12 |
| sivang | timeless_pidgin: good question, I'll look for that and if not open one? | 11:12 |
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| sivang | timeless_pidgin: you didn't get my last IRC privmsgs eh ? ;) | 11:12 |
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| timeless_pidgin | Um, not sure, i think i saw you saying it was accepted | 11:13 |
| timeless_pidgin | But that doesn't mean much to me | 11:13 |
| timeless_pidgin | Infrastructure should do the right thing tm | 11:13 |
| sivang | timeless_pidgin: :-) it is a plain acceptance mail, I was going to mail you but haven't gotten to that yet | 11:14 |
| sivang | timeless_pidgin: you've got mail (tm) | 11:14 |
| timeless_pidgin | Thanks, but imo it isn't your job. | 11:15 |
| timeless_pidgin | This is just one of those growing pain things | 11:15 |
| timeless_pidgin | Maemo voting didn't go right, so dneary forced extra emails | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | mail is unreliable | 11:15 |
| timeless_pidgin | Meego should force extra emails | 11:15 |
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| sivang | Dirk noted that mails were not sent to all session prticipants | 11:16 |
| * sivang searches for a bug report | 11:16 | |
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| * timeless_pidgin needs to check out and search for transit south | 11:17 | |
| timeless_pidgin | Oddly enough, i'm going to Dublin... Today | 11:17 |
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| sivang | timeless_pidgin: hehe | 11:17 |
| timeless_pidgin | As such, visiting there later isn't actually interesting to me. | 11:17 |
| timeless_pidgin | I'll go if someone gets me the money. | 11:18 |
| timeless_pidgin | But i'm not spending my vacation campaigning for money. | 11:18 |
| timeless_pidgin | That'd be stupid | 11:18 |
| sivang | timeless_pidgin: hmm, you might get sponsored now that the session got accepted. | 11:19 |
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| timeless_pidgin | I got an email removing my sponsorship request | 11:20 |
| sivang | timeless_pidgin: hmm, who can we write to? ;) I was starting to count in you being there helping me with the talk/session and the handouts. | 11:21 |
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| Stskeeps | sivang: corporate is usually excluded (or rather: nokia or intel) | 11:21 |
| timeless_pidgin | No email about an approved talk | 11:21 |
| timeless_pidgin | Just a "fuck off" message | 11:21 |
| sivang | hmmm | 11:21 |
| Termana | timeless_pidgin, heh. What about trying to get sponsored internally? (Not exact sure how Nokia gives its employees sponsorship internally) | 11:22 |
| timeless_pidgin | Termana: on my vacation? | 11:22 |
| timeless_pidgin | I asked a long time ago and got no response. | 11:22 |
| Termana | ah. I guess that's probably a no then :P | 11:22 |
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| timeless_pidgin | From my perspective, if someone wants me to attend, they should do the legwork | 11:23 |
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| timeless_pidgin | If they want to spend someone else's money, fine, ask someone else. | 11:23 |
| timeless_pidgin | Don't make attendees pander. | 11:24 |
| Termana | timeless_pidgin, well, I was thinking YOU might want to attend. But I assume that I was wrong | 11:24 |
| Termana | (Rather than having someone else want you to attend) | 11:24 |
| sivang | timeless_pidgin: I had the impression you were interested to join the talk? | 11:25 |
| timeless_pidgin | I wouldn't mind attending | 11:25 |
| timeless_pidgin | But i'm not going to burn money i don't have to go to a place i'll be tonight | 11:25 |
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| timeless_pidgin | I had to dip into savings last night to start paying for my vacation | 11:26 |
| sivang | okay, who can I write you to ask them to send you there to help me with the talk? I think it is a very important one and your input from your experience is important. | 11:26 |
| sivang | or rather *important* | 11:26 |
| timeless_pidgin | Qgil is supposedly the coordinator | 11:26 |
| timeless_pidgin | I'm not sure who should poke him. I'm not pinging him until my vacation is over. | 11:27 |
| sivang | I will. | 11:27 |
| w00t_ | efficiency in action! | 11:27 |
| sivang | It is important to me to try and get this sorted ASAP. | 11:27 |
| sivang | so we can start preparing the talk when you are back from vacations. | 11:27 |
| timeless_pidgin | Sivang: i'm certainly interested in joining the talk. | 11:27 |
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| timeless_pidgin | But i'm not going to bankrupt myself to do it. Nor am i going to waste my vacation on it. | 11:28 |
| timeless_pidgin | Efforts on my behalf are appreciated. | 11:28 |
| sivang | timeless_pidgin: right so it whould be considered work for you, noted, I will start drafting the mail. | 11:29 |
| * sivang guesses there'd be no harm in trying | 11:29 | |
| timeless_pidgin | If they think work should pay for it. And it involves asking my management, then it's absolutely work. | 11:29 |
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| timeless_pidgin | Anyway, i got your forward | 11:31 |
| timeless_pidgin | Note that the design of that email is such that it'd be trivial for them to write a corresponding one to participants | 11:32 |
| timeless_pidgin | It's probably even a mutually exclusive set of people, so there shouldn't be duplication. | 11:33 |
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| sivang | timeless_pidgin: yes, he noted it was a glitch in the implementation | 11:34 |
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| Stskeeps | morn slaine 3 | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | -3 | 12:09 |
| slaine | Morning Stskeeps | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | (sigh, irssi addict i am..) | 12:09 |
| djszapi | Stdkeeps++ :P | 12:10 |
| djszapi | * Stskeeps | 12:10 |
| djszapi | I am a typo addict. | 12:10 |
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| poutsi | note to self: remember to give projects search-engine friendly names | 12:31 |
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| poutsi | googling with words like "telepathy" and "contacts" gives some pretty interesting results | 12:32 |
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| CosmoHill | dammit, I can't login to the cluster | 12:47 |
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| debayan | My netbook used to support multi-touch gestures on windows. I am now running meego on it, The touchpad is sentelic. Multitouch does does not seem to be working on meego. | 12:59 |
| CosmoHill | which UX are you using? | 13:00 |
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| debayan | CosmoHill: Netbook UX | 13:02 |
| debayan | CosmoHill: How do I test for multi touch to begin with? | 13:03 |
| CosmoHill | I don't know if you can use multitouch on the netbook UX | 13:04 |
| debayan | ah | 13:04 |
| sivang | debayan: in ubuntu there's the gsynaptics driver and some support for it, not sure how good it is | 13:05 |
| debayan | sivang: ok. will check it out. | 13:05 |
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| niala | hello, | 14:18 |
| niala | 1 dollar question: | 14:19 |
| niala | what is mthemedaemon | 14:19 |
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| niala | [niala@niala-desktop base]$ /usr/bin/mthemedaemon --help | 14:19 |
| niala | MThemeDaemon: Changing theme from "" to "devel" | 14:19 |
| niala | usr/bin/mthemedaemon: symbol lookup error: /usr/bin/mthemedaemon: undefined symbol: _ZN9QListData11detach_growEPii | 14:20 |
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| CosmoHill | try: man mthemedaemon | 14:20 |
| CosmoHill | or | 14:20 |
| CosmoHill | mthemedaemon --version | 14:20 |
| kedz | hi | 14:21 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, since he indicated it was a paying question, you should also paste your CC number | 14:21 |
| kedz | mthemedaemon is meegotouch [remote] theme daemon | 14:21 |
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| kedz | it has no command line options :-S | 14:21 |
| Bostik | that looks a lot like library version mismatch; library itsel is found but it doesn't have the function(s) being used | 14:21 |
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| kedz | but it seems your themedaemon is broken because of qt upgrade... rebuild needed | 14:21 |
| niala | hello CosmoHill have a nice day | 14:21 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: should I ask if he wants a VAT receipt? | 14:21 |
| CosmoHill | I will have a nice day thanks :3 | 14:22 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, you should have bartered before answering :p | 14:22 |
| niala | ok; MThemeDaemon: Theme "devel" does not exist! Not changing theme | 14:23 |
| niala | MThemeDaemon: Changing theme from "" to "base" | 14:23 |
| niala | can anybody test themedaemon on is netbook ? | 14:24 |
| niala | on meego of course | 14:24 |
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| niala | mthemedaemon --version | 14:24 |
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| niala | thx everybody kedz Bostik ; sorry I miss your msg | 14:33 |
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| niala | ok i think I must move from meego1.0 to daily or preview, it's for playing with meegotouch ? can I do that with not formating hd? I suppose no. | 14:45 |
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| niala | daily or preview? | 14:46 |
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| niala | <kedz>, I search mthemedaemon on git and repos but i didn't found it. | 14:49 |
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| kedz | niala, it is part of libmeegotouch | 14:50 |
| kedz | niala, http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/libmeegotouch | 14:51 |
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| kedz | niala, | 14:54 |
| kedz | meego@[meego-netbook-sdk]::~$ rpm -qf /usr/bin/mthemedaemon | 14:54 |
| kedz | libmeegotouch-0.20.25-5.1.i586 | 14:54 |
| kedz | libmeegotouch-devel-0.20.25-5.1.i586 | 14:54 |
| meego | hi!whats the simplest way of playing a sound in C++ under meego. I tried opening /dev/dsp but to no avail. | 14:54 |
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| CosmoHill | would you mind not using meego as a nick, it would make things confusing | 14:55 |
| meego | how do i change it? | 14:55 |
| CosmoHill | /nick newname | 14:55 |
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| newbie | hi!whats the simplest way of playing a sound in C++ under meego. I tried opening /dev/dsp but to no avail. | 14:55 |
| poutsi | now that's a loaded question | 14:56 |
| newbie | please go on | 14:56 |
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| poutsi | i meant that there's a world of assumptions in any simple answer | 14:56 |
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| CosmoHill | newbie: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/examples-multimedia.html | 14:57 |
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| kedz | i think using phonon maybe simpler: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6/phonon-audiooutput.html#details , or using gstreamer... but well it depends on the use-case... | 14:58 |
| newbie | is there a way along the lines of open("/dev/dsp",...) ? | 14:58 |
| newbie | i do not need a gui | 14:59 |
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| poutsi | newbie, read CosmoHill's link, rewrite the code yourself and refine. Any gui in that example is easily stripped off. | 15:00 |
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| newbie | thanks | 15:01 |
| CosmoHill | if you open /dev/dsp in your program won't you block access to it for all other programs? | 15:01 |
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| newbie | i do not care, it is just for preliminary testing | 15:01 |
| CosmoHill | you should care. If you do open it directly and ti works | 15:02 |
| CosmoHill | it will become useless later on when you move away from testing towards later development | 15:02 |
| CosmoHill | since you will have to rewrite the code so that other programs will still have access | 15:02 |
| lcuk | not that it matters in this incorrect case, but afaik only root can write to /dev branches anyway | 15:03 |
| newbie | later the sound will be directed to CAN, and yes, I can test as root | 15:03 |
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| lcuk | newbie, it would be interesting to know where you thought /dev/dsp was a viable interface for regular use in the first place | 15:03 |
| lcuk | and since you are in qt, using the correct qt api is the correct mechanism | 15:04 |
| newbie | I am not in qt | 15:04 |
| lcuk | ok, reasonable enough | 15:05 |
| newbie | it is not for regular use, but just to test for a week and then throw out | 15:05 |
| lcuk | but question stands, what other examples write directly to it? | 15:05 |
| newbie | google /dev/dsp | 15:05 |
| lcuk | why dont you google "playing sound clips" instead :) that way we both save time | 15:06 |
| newbie | I tried | 15:06 |
| newbie | I should reformulate: how to I acces the soundcard directly in meego, or is qt or phonon necessary? | 15:07 |
| spurvewt | newbie, use the ALSA API directly | 15:07 |
| newbie | thanks | 15:07 |
| spurvewt | or PulseAudio | 15:07 |
| spurvewt | and alsa is more simple.. | 15:09 |
| newbie | that looks very good, thanks | 15:09 |
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| CosmoHill | newbie: may I ask how meego would differ from other distros? | 15:10 |
| spurvewt | :) | 15:11 |
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| newbie | I some how had that impression | 15:15 |
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| newbie | I guess I looked for info in the wrong place, found alsa-oss but not info on alsa api and then thought the missing snd-pcm-oss was meego specific | 15:18 |
| CosmoHill | that reminds me, I need to sort out alsa so I can play UT2004 | 15:19 |
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| * spurvewt when explored linux forgot about all games..) | 15:23 | |
| niala | linux is a game :) | 15:24 |
| CosmoHill | UT3 or something got killed for linux | 15:24 |
| CosmoHill | would have been nice if they killed it straight away instead of waiting years to tell us | 15:24 |
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| spurvewt | i have a fan of fallout 1,2..) | 15:27 |
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| spurvewt | had* | 15:27 |
| CosmoHill | do you keep this fan in your basement? | 15:27 |
| CosmoHill | ah, he got out? | 15:27 |
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| timeless_pidgin | Hello world | 15:29 |
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| timeless_pidgin | Is anyone here actually *in* dublin? I'm visiting in an hour or so and having a terrible time finding a place to stay :( | 15:29 |
| spurvewt | CosmoHill, it was my childhood.. so, now there are other priorities of my free times..) | 15:30 |
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| spurvewt | CosmoHill, first year of university.. linux.. so, it was my last game..) to this day.. | 15:34 |
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| CosmoHill | timeless_pidgin: try travelog, primiar inn and hoilday inn | 15:42 |
| CosmoHill | or maybe www.visitireland.com | 15:42 |
| timeless_pidgin | Cosmohill: i'm looking south of center, near the castle, i think | 15:43 |
| timeless_pidgin | Hotels.com is basically saying forget-it | 15:44 |
| CosmoHill | don't you have GPS on your phone? | 15:44 |
| CosmoHill | ah | 15:44 |
| timeless_pidgin | And the hostel searchers i've tried more or less agree | 15:44 |
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| timeless_pidgin | I'm at the Belfast train station | 15:44 |
| CosmoHill | how about a bed and breakfast? | 15:44 |
| timeless_pidgin | But yes, my n900 says "you are here (in Belfast)" | 15:44 |
| timeless_pidgin | Cosmohill : if you can find one... | 15:45 |
| CosmoHill | why are you in belfast? | 15:45 |
| CosmoHill | belfast is in a different country | 15:45 |
| timeless_pidgin | I was here for 3 days... | 15:45 |
| CosmoHill | so what place you want me to look, anywere in dublin? | 15:46 |
| timeless_pidgin | It's hard to visit the British Isles if you skip one or the other... | 15:46 |
| CosmoHill | timeless_pidgin: budget (per night) | 15:47 |
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| CosmoHill | what is Temple Bar? | 16:04 |
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| timeless_pidgin | At this point, i can't remember if it's "not that close" | 16:07 |
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| timeless_pidgin | Train out of Belfast is nearly an hour late :o | 16:23 |
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| CosmoHill | that's not to bad by British Rail standards :p | 16:28 |
| timeless_pidgin | It's actually only the third train i've had this trip that was late. | 16:30 |
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| timeless_pidgin | The one out of glasgow (to dublin) was too | 16:30 |
| timeless_pidgin | But only 10 minutes or so | 16:31 |
| CosmoHill | I\m off | 16:31 |
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| slaine | sigh | 16:36 |
| slaine | last netbook upgrade seems to have broken sleep/resume on my mini9 | 16:37 |
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| timeless_pidgin | Slaine: hey, are you in Dublin now? | 16:44 |
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| slaine | timeless_pidgin: yeah, hometown | 16:44 |
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| vnepo | wassup? any new meego mobile news? | 16:53 |
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| timeless_pidgin | Hey, when i cross from northern ireland into ireland, does my UK sim immediately start roaming? | 17:00 |
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| Guest72991 | maybe depends on your contract/network | 17:01 |
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| Guest72991 | did you read your contract before signing? | 17:01 |
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| timeless_pidgin | Oops, sorry, slightly off topic for #meego. | 17:07 |
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| timeless_pidgin | Goodbye free internet. Hello international roaming | 17:07 |
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| vnepo | hmmmmmmm | 17:08 |
| vnepo | thats expensive | 17:08 |
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| py_newbie | hello, is c++ the only option for meego programming | 17:30 |
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| Tumi_ | I suppose python is supported | 17:37 |
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| wmarone | "supported" but not part of MeeGo | 17:37 |
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| Tumi_ | it's for sure on my meego image that I just fetched | 17:39 |
| Tumi_ | but it's not really part of meego officially? | 17:39 |
| wmarone | correct | 17:39 |
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| spurvewt | py_newbie, c++ is part of all linux distributions | 17:40 |
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| spurvewt | Tumi_, python is supported by gentoo society for package manager 'emerge'.. so, this langs depends on the tasks to be done..) | 17:42 |
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| py_newbie | I have been offered a small meego project, my c++ skills are rusty been 10 years since I used c++, so I wondering if I should invest time in refreshing c++ or if a meego app can be done in py | 17:43 |
| py_newbie | project is for netbook ( not for mobile ) | 17:45 |
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| spurvewt | py_newbie, what kind of app? | 17:46 |
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| py_newbie | simple reminder app | 17:47 |
| py_newbie | I dont know anything about meego | 17:47 |
| spurvewt | py_newbie, look at meego as linux.. to answer your question..) | 17:47 |
| Tumi_ | I think you should use Qt - thus c++ is anyway a better choise | 17:47 |
| spurvewt | py_newbie, oh.. go to the wiki..) | 17:48 |
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| Tm_T | Tumi_: how Pyhton is not a good choice with Qt ? | 17:48 |
| py_newbie | I tried :-) meego has lot of options | 17:48 |
| Tumi_ | well pyside is kindof ok | 17:48 |
| py_newbie | I dont even have an atom or core 2 cpu | 17:49 |
| spurvewt | Tumi_, you can try PyQt | 17:49 |
| Tumi_ | I don't say that c++ is the only good choice with Qt ;) | 17:49 |
| Tumi_ | but at least to me, more natural and well supported | 17:49 |
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| Tumi_ | spurvewt: does PyQt still live? | 17:50 |
| spurvewt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PyQt | 17:51 |
| spurvewt | Stable release4.7.6 / September 6, 2010; 11 days ago | 17:51 |
| spurvewt | :) | 17:51 |
| Tumi_ | spurvewt: nice! has it been working? | 17:52 |
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| Tumi_ | I tested pyside like half a year ago and it seemed to be allright | 17:52 |
| spurvewt | Tumi_, i don't try it on meego) | 17:53 |
| Tm_T | py_newbie: to answer to your initial question: in the long run, refreshing c++ skills at some point wouldn't be a bad idea I suppose | 17:53 |
| spurvewt | py_newbie, ye.. if you want to develop any app for meego.. in a good way you should call to mind your skillls in c++ ) | 17:56 |
| py_newbie | spurvewt: thanks | 17:56 |
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| spurvewt | py_newbie, http://meego.com/developers/meego-api - can help with developing of your reminder app | 17:59 |
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| spurvewt | and http://apidocs.meego.com/qt4.7/ | 18:00 |
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| py_newbie | Tm_T: did c++ in my 20's :-) local jobs/projects don't really have much demand for c++ now, mostly c#/java/py/ruby | 18:11 |
| py_newbie | spurvewt: thanks | 18:12 |
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| Papayawhip | vote vote vote! :P http://www.fonearena.com/blog/23073/smartphone-championship-semi-final-nokia-n900-vs-palm-pre.html n900 must win ;) | 18:54 |
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| mathias_m | Hi guys! I'm trying to build libmeegotouch, but I'm getting "undefined reference to `XFixesHideCursor'" error. Got libxfixes-dev installed. what else do I need? | 19:16 |
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| Mat_Matan | hi | 19:24 |
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| arfoll | has anyone had boot problems on an aava device? - http://madeo.co.uk/files/aava_boot.jpg | 19:35 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: will feedback in a little while :) | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | (re unconference) | 19:48 |
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| DawnFoster | stskeeps: thanks - just wanted a couple of people to reality check & then I'll post to the list | 19:58 |
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| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: and we still need to document more details about the lightning talk process | 19:58 |
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| Stskeeps | regarding barcamp concept, isn't lightning talks part of this as well? or is it also 30 min sessions | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | (general interest) | 20:00 |
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| vilvo | hi | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | evening | 20:05 |
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| blizzow4 | Anyone know if meego will be able to be squished onto the E7? | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | blizzow4: doubt it, signed bootloaders and stuff | 20:07 |
| mathias_m | blizzow4: definitely no. perhaps N900? | 20:08 |
| blizzow4 | so is there any word on when the n9 (or whatever it's going to be called) with meego will be released? | 20:09 |
| Myrtti | Cthulhu eats rumourmongers | 20:09 |
| mathias_m | blizzow4: I know, but can't tell you... ;) | 20:09 |
| blizzow4 | I slept with Cthulhu's mama. | 20:09 |
| RST38h | Don't invoke the Tentacled One's name in vain. | 20:10 |
| blizzow4 | gah, I want to toss my n97, but don't want to get the E7 if the N9 is announced a month later. | 20:10 |
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| mathias_m | blizzow4: when's the E7 supposed to be out then? | 20:11 |
| blizzow4 | Q4 2010. | 20:11 |
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| mathias_m | blizzow4: can't help then | 20:13 |
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| vilvo | blizzow4: my brother didn't want to buy SLR because he said there will better cameras very soon. he missed a lot of good pics before he got one. | 20:13 |
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| mathias_m | blizzow4: the fact that you're here suggests you should wait for it | 20:14 |
| GAN900 | blizzow4, I'd bet January at this point. | 20:15 |
| blizzow4 | vilvo: at $600+ US, I don't want to buy both the E7 and N9. Symbian is okay, but not great. I'm hoping a Meego based Nokia device is the ticket. | 20:15 |
| blizzow4 | Guess I just have to sit tight. :( | 20:16 |
| mathias_m | blizzow4: well, it's going to be sweat (got one right here you know... ;) ) | 20:16 |
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| blizzow4 | At least someone is having fun with the new device. | 20:16 |
| lcuk | i hope you mean sweet | 20:16 |
| mathias_m | now if only I can get this thing to build... | 20:16 |
| mathias_m | sorry, yeah, that | 20:17 |
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| lcuk | mathias_m, you have an E7 there? | 20:24 |
| * mathias_m looking | 20:25 | |
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| mathias_m | lcuk: nope | 20:26 |
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| lcuk | well thats the only announced device from Nokia that you have mentioned. | 20:27 |
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| mathias_m | lcuk: who mentioned? | 20:28 |
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| lcuk | you | 20:29 |
| mathias_m | lcuk: sorry, you've lost me | 20:30 |
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| lcuk | mathias_m, apologies then, you saying you "had one right here" after a comment about E7 and N9 kinda caught the attention of some folks | 20:31 |
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| mathias_m | bah | 20:32 |
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| CosmoHill | anyone know if timeless found a place? | 20:33 |
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| Stskeeps | what'd you say now? | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:41 |
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| Stskeeps | evening e-yes | 20:44 |
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| CosmoHill | if you ever need to get someone to shut up, just tell them the channel is publically logged | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: doesn't work for everyone ;) | 20:50 |
| stephg | shhhhh | 20:51 |
| CosmoHill | ^.^ | 20:51 |
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| berndhs | CosmoHill: and when the revolution comes, we will know who opposed us :P | 20:53 |
| stephg | Stskeeps: got a sec to answer dumb questions about flasher & 1.0.90.3.20100921? | 20:54 |
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| pes | hi | 21:05 |
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| Stskeeps | stephg: i'm always good for stupid questions :) | 21:05 |
| pes | 1 question | 21:05 |
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| pes | i buy acer aspire 5334 and the os its linux, witch?? | 21:06 |
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| stephg | Stskeeps: oo. Well here goes! Is flashing with 'u' held down the same as flashing with the power button held down? | 21:06 |
| pes | anybody help me | 21:07 |
| stephg | Stskeeps: reason I ask is that my build (and you know I love to do my own builds because I'm an idiot) also doesn't boot with the backlight | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | stephg: there's a bug re backlight as usual | 21:07 |
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| Stskeeps | stephg: i'm actually not sure what u does but it should be a similar as putting in usb | 21:07 |
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| stephg | Stskeeps: good news is that with a torch I can configure wireless and then do the old echo > /proc/sys/backlight/whatever/that/path/was over ssh and it is all happy | 21:08 |
| stephg | Stskeeps: Flash then USB without 'u' won't flash | 21:08 |
| stephg | Stskeeps: s/Flash/Flasher | 21:09 |
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| stephg | also lol at whoever named (I presume the tracker or media player daemon) /usr/libexec/bognor-regis-daemon | 21:16 |
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| kfx | gahh | 21:20 |
| kfx | n810 won't take a flash | 21:20 |
| kfx | world ending | 21:20 |
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| Stskeeps | stephg: dunno | 21:21 |
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| stephg | Stskeeps: doesn't matter re: backlight as we have the fix was just curious as it regressed is all | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | you don't want to see the new hack :) | 21:23 |
| stephg | Stskeeps: ha | 21:24 |
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| stephg | Stskeeps: although this is (mildly not) interesting: power button does flash but with the backlight | 21:25 |
| stephg | Stskeeps: which you know as that's how you've been doing it | 21:25 |
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| Stskeeps | i've never had to use 'u' except in really weird circumstances.. | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:26 |
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| stephg | I'd have thought every circumstance of yours is really weird ;) | 21:27 |
| frals | helsinki meetup was pretty nice \o/ | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, incriminating photos already out :) | 21:30 |
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| frals | Stskeeps: where? doh :D | 21:34 |
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| frals | ah, valerios flicker | 21:36 |
| frals | that bastard... ;) | 21:37 |
| kfx | was there recently a change in the way flasher works? or am I crazy | 21:37 |
| stephg | you're crazy :) | 21:37 |
| lcuk | looks like a great time, Stskeeps gather you werent around for this one | 21:37 |
| stephg | (sorry that wasn't helpful:- I don't know) | 21:37 |
| kfx | that's what I was afraid of | 21:37 |
| lcuk | frals, which are you, I dont think I have ever actually seen you | 21:37 |
| frals | lcuk give me a sec and ill see if im in any of the pics | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: waiting for the warsaw one.. | 21:39 |
| frals | i think valerio only got the back of my head on all pictures ;D | 21:40 |
| frals | lcuk: on the left http://www.flickr.com/photos/vdvsx/5014716969/in/set-72157624887198495/ | 21:40 |
| lcuk | that maemo.org mirror is actually quite awesome in the Nemein office btw | 21:40 |
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| lcuk | ahhh frals ! no wonder I didn't recognise you | 21:41 |
| lcuk | no trout | 21:41 |
| frals | ;D | 21:42 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, you mean there is one organised | 21:44 |
| lcuk | or you are waiting for someone else to make one? | 21:44 |
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| * lcuk is considering getting Tracy to find location for one around Manchester :) | 21:44 | |
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| lcuk | theres a Birmingham tech meetup being organised that I will probably drive to | 21:45 |
| lcuk | http://twtvite.com/Tech_Meetup | 21:45 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: waiting, mostly | 21:49 |
| daedaluz | what package manager meego uses? | 21:50 |
| kfx | daedaluz: rpm | 21:50 |
| daedaluz | well that's oackage format... | 21:50 |
| daedaluz | *package | 21:50 |
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| kfx | daedaluz: rpm is also a package manager | 21:51 |
| kfx | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPM_Package_Manager | 21:51 |
| berndhs | daedaluz: yum or zypper, your pick | 21:51 |
| CosmoHill | vgrade: http://black-flag.co.uk/files/aru_courtroom.jpg | 21:51 |
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| CosmoHill | use zypper | 21:55 |
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| Khertan | Hi | 21:56 |
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| Khertan | does meego non oss repo is broken ? | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | define broken? | 21:57 |
| Khertan | 404 error on some package | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | shouldn't be.. can i see error? | 21:57 |
| CosmoHill | you sure it's not just the mirror | 21:58 |
| Khertan | No more mirror to try : google-chrome-5.0.375.70-4.1.i586.rpm | 21:58 |
| Khertan | don't know i m a bit newbie with rpm tools :) | 21:58 |
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| Khertan | it doesn't look like it use a mirror | 22:00 |
| Khertan | i'm trying to update from 1.0 | 22:01 |
| CosmoHill | Khertan: did you download the chrome image? | 22:01 |
| Khertan | CosmoHill, yes | 22:01 |
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| CosmoHill | not the chromium one? | 22:01 |
| Khertan | no no the chrome image | 22:02 |
| Khertan | i'm sure | 22:02 |
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| Khertan | hum ... i was using yum | 22:04 |
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| Khertan | using zypper download seems working | 22:04 |
| CosmoHill | :) | 22:05 |
| Khertan | sorry for disturbing you | 22:05 |
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| CosmoHill | np | 22:05 |
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| Khertan | does there is third party repository for meego ? a community one ? | 22:06 |
| CosmoHill | somewhere | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | there's one mentioned on forums | 22:06 |
| Khertan | :) | 22:06 |
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| Khertan | oh thanks so forum is usefull not like t.m.o :) | 22:06 |
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| vgrade | CosmoHill, hello | 22:08 |
| CosmoHill | .o/ | 22:08 |
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| e-yes | Stskeeps, evening | 22:09 |
| vgrade | CosmoHill, did you get off | 22:10 |
| vgrade | vgrade, re-reads that :) | 22:11 |
| vgrade | in court I mean | 22:11 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps, the repo you mention is the one containing mp3 codecs and some players ? | 22:12 |
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| vgrade | CosmoHill, not had chance to contact the Town Hall yet, any luck at ARU | 22:13 |
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| Stskeeps | Khertan: no idea | 22:16 |
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| CosmoHill | tbhh I forgot | 22:18 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps, i ask just to see if some repository contain a pyqt or a pyside build for meego netbook :) | 22:18 |
| Khertan | it seems none have it yet | 22:19 |
| CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/files/emacs_comic.jpg | 22:19 |
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| RST38h | CosmoHill: PICO. | 22:22 |
| CosmoHill | tiny | 22:22 |
| CosmoHill | ? | 22:22 |
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| CosmoHill | oh I see | 22:23 |
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| Stskeeps | e-yes: if you'd like to follow meego telephony work, feel free to join #meego-arm | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | (at least, from n900 side) | 22:30 |
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| Stskeeps | nothing interesting going on atm but in general it's good to track :P | 22:32 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, btw, you were right yesterday | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | about? | 22:34 |
| lcuk | http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/search?q=erection | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | told you | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:34 |
| lcuk | :D | 22:34 |
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| RST38h | ehehe | 22:35 |
| lcuk | incidentally, RST38h you shouldn't laugh, you get most references on maemo | 22:36 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Mmm? | 22:36 |
| lcuk | same search on maemo | 22:36 |
| RST38h | OMG. | 22:36 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Ufff, luckily, it is still statistically insignificant :) | 22:37 |
| lcuk | indeed, tis amusing though | 22:38 |
| RST38h | ok, let us try some more common words... | 22:38 |
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| RST38h | Try "fail" DocScrutinizer seems to like it | 22:38 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, on maemo or meego, or doesnt it matter? | 22:39 |
| RST38h | And I am the first person to use "opossums" at #maemo! | 22:40 |
| RST38h | lcuk: #maemo | 22:40 |
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| Khertan | Stskeeps, lbt : about community obs i was trying to use the same specs file than on the suse obs for building python-sip but i got the following errors : nothing provides c++_compiler | 22:49 |
| lbt | does meego provide a c++_compiler ? | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | afaik, g++ | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:50 |
| lbt | :P | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | c++_compiler, nfi.. | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:50 |
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| thiago_home | as a dependency, that might not be there | 22:50 |
| thiago_home | change the dependency to g++ (or gcc-g++ or gcc-c++, each distro has its own) | 22:50 |
| slonopotamus | lbt: meego has obs! no stinkin compilers, those are for red-eyed gentooers :) | 22:50 |
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| __key__ | sup! | 22:51 |
| * __key__ wonders... what exactly is meego | 22:51 | |
| __key__ | is it an operating system for small household items ? | 22:52 |
| __key__ | like a cable box | 22:52 |
| __key__ | ?? | 22:52 |
| __key__ | ok then peace out | 22:52 |
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| Stskeeps | O_o | 22:53 |
| lbt | ---- | 22:53 |
| slonopotamus | what was that? | 22:53 |
| lbt | it was the key to success | 22:53 |
| thiago_home | you know, usually I'd say troll, but this time I'm not even sure | 22:53 |
| lbt | probably a target customer..... given the attention span :) | 22:54 |
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| lcuk | gif the __GateKeeper__ comes in we need to be worried | 22:54 |
| lcuk | especially if it starts talking about zuul | 22:54 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: is there any point in having armv5el on the community OBS? | 23:01 |
| * CosmoHill hunts down a file | 23:01 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: armv6+vfp has demand for a full recompile but armv5 is not active from upstream repo.meego.com | 23:01 |
| CosmoHill | it's mode14 | 23:01 |
| Mat_Matan | good night | 23:02 |
| * lbt tries to parse that into a yes/no | 23:02 | |
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| lbt | I think the problem is that it's a bit like i586 having to cope with ssse3 and non-ssse3 | 23:03 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: don't import armv5 from repo.meego.com, dead branch | 23:04 |
| lbt | agreed | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | but it might be an interesting project to provide an armv6+vfp build for some | 23:04 |
| thiago_home | are there relevant v6 devices? | 23:04 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago_home: i have seen armv6+vfp gles2 devices, at least | 23:05 |
| thiago_home | I'd say "build when such a device is relevant" | 23:05 |
| thiago_home | v7 is more relevant for us | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | well, that's the meego.com attitude naturally | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | this was regarding community obs | 23:06 |
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| Stskeeps | (not build.meego.com) | 23:06 |
| thiago_home | ah, I see | 23:06 |
| lbt | *nod* | 23:06 |
| thiago_home | but, then again, don't waste resources :-) | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 23:06 |
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| lbt | we are pretty limited right now | 23:06 |
| lbt | I'm trimming | 23:06 |
| lbt | but don't want to restrict | 23:06 |
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| lbt | also wondering about the non-ssse3 approach | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | i think we should prioritise app development and system contribution on community obs | 23:07 |
| lbt | me too | 23:07 |
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| Stskeeps | for arm* stuff people can make a market for making meego builds if they want | 23:07 |
| lbt | I want to establish a "be reasonable" principle | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | do we have throttling ability? in case someone consumes way too many resources => less priority? | 23:08 |
| lbt | yes | 23:08 |
| lbt | I stomp on them :) | 23:08 |
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| lbt | there are automatic systems that should track that | 23:09 |
| lbt | need to see how it goes | 23:09 |
| slonopotamus | you're spending too much time compiling stuff :) | 23:10 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: BTW, has the issue with a lot of replication and deadwood (like two package managers) been solved in Meego? | 23:10 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Or is it still like Redhat in this sense? I am getting mixed opinions from different people | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: you mean package fetchers? | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i'm not sure what the yum vs zypper situation is.. it's one of those things i don't keep track of | 23:12 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: apparently, it is not the only case | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | what else are we duplicating? | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | gtk vs qt? :) | 23:14 |
| RST38h | no not that | 23:15 |
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| lbt | thiago_home: ping | 23:38 |
| thiago_home | lbt: pong | 23:38 |
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| slaine | anyone know if timeless got a hotel room ok ? | 23:51 |
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| CosmoHill | i duno but I hope so | 23:53 |
| CosmoHill | I showed him a load of dooms and he seems to like them | 23:53 |
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| slaine | CosmoHill: dooms ? | 23:54 |
| CosmoHill | yeah | 23:54 |
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| CosmoHill | like 6 beds in a room | 23:54 |
| slaine | oh | 23:54 |
| slaine | well, he was over in ireland today and /query'd me while on the train to Dublin looking for a hotel | 23:54 |
| CosmoHill | yeah I gave him your name. I hope that's okay | 23:55 |
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| slaine | that's fine, we'd spoken a few times before | 23:56 |
| slaine | seems like a nice guy | 23:57 |
| CosmoHill | very laid back from the breif time I've spoken to him | 23:57 |
| slaine | I'd have meet him for a beer only I'm actually down in Cork for the next few days | 23:57 |
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| CosmoHill | when did that come out? | 23:59 |
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