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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 10:49 |
| slaine | morn | 10:50 |
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| mairas | morning, folks | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | morn mairas | 10:57 |
| mairas | what's the canonical way of finding out what is included in MeeGo Core OS? | 10:58 |
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| mairas | I had just assumed that anything in the repo (http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/core/repos/ia32/packages/i586/) would be there but got conflicting information on the mailing list | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | mairas: well, seperate between core compliance and core | 10:58 |
| mairas | Stskeeps, well, I'm probably interested in core compliance | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | mairas: i think when the package groups are fixed to match architecture, those are the ones.. | 10:59 |
| mairas | Stskeeps, and anything that doesn't fit, just isn't part of the compliance set? | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | uncertain | 11:00 |
| mairas | nice | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | i think what matters is how things look for 1.2 | 11:00 |
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| mairas | I'm asking because I'd like to push PySide into MeeGo Core | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | the best way is to get it adapted on roadmap as a [FEA] | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | too late for 1.1 | 11:02 |
| mairas | and was using pygtk as a reference - it's in the repos, so I assumed that would be in | 11:02 |
| mairas | Stskeeps, 1.2 is OK, I think the maturity level isn't *quite* there yet | 11:02 |
| mairas | but for 1.2 definitely so | 11:02 |
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| mairas | Stskeeps, so, the feature requirements are submitted to bugzilla? | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | right | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | http://meego.com/developers/meego-roadmap | 11:05 |
| mairas | Stskeeps, yep, I've kept staring at it for the last couple of minutes :-) | 11:06 |
| mairas | I'll just make a sanity check f2f with the local architects (assuming I ever manage to catch them) and make a request - thanks! | 11:07 |
| * mmeeks wonders if hbons is around | 11:07 | |
| Stskeeps | mairas: sakari poussa and mikko ylinen i'd guess | 11:07 |
| mairas | Stskeeps, exactly | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | wandering by their offices sometimes help :) | 11:08 |
| mairas | Stskeeps, esp. Poussa, I guess, this being a core os issue | 11:08 |
| mairas | Stskeeps, been trying to do that but their calendars don't look too encouraging ;-) | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | meh.. as with any company, calendars are usually indicated as all full, but when you observe the subject, he/she might not be busy :) | 11:12 |
| tekojo | mairas: first mail the architects (Arjan, Sakari) and tell them that pyside is nice | 11:12 |
| tekojo | then if they can't make a resolutio, then mail the TSG | 11:12 |
| mairas | tekojo, yep | 11:13 |
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| mairas | but it's actually not solely about pyside - there's a need for some other python packages as well | 11:13 |
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| mairas | I mean, internal need | 11:13 |
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| TheSheMullet | Hi Everyone | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | hi | 14:31 |
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| TheSheMullet | Is anyone getting an issue with wireless disconnecting randomly but repeatedly | 14:32 |
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| Stskeeps | device, which UX? | 14:32 |
| TheSheMullet | seems to be no reason for it, happens on any wireless network | 14:32 |
| TheSheMullet | acer aspire one 533 using netbook edition | 14:33 |
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| TheSheMullet | wireless worked straight off, didn't need to do anything | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | not sure sorry (working on handset) | 14:34 |
| TheSheMullet | ok so, thanks | 14:35 |
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| timeless_pidgin | Stskeeps, please say http://wiki.meego.com/Project/Browser is built automatically using bugzilla queries | 14:51 |
| timeless_pidgin | Dawnfoster: if those tables aren't, please tell someone (everyone) not to waste wiki resources on such things :( | 14:51 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_pidgin: http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=Project/Browser&action=edit§ion=4 | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | they are | 14:53 |
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| vilvo | We're about to start our weekly qa-tools sync meeting at #meego-meeting in five minutes | 14:55 |
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| Stskeeps | cool | 14:55 |
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| thiago | arjan: ping | 15:31 |
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| kontio | to fix bug 6186, we are supposed to add a contactsd.desktop to autostart contactsd... under which path shall it go? | 15:49 |
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| FunkyPenguin | slaine, biggest issue ive found so far with Smeegol - race conditions with the panels | 15:50 |
| slaine | FunkyPenguin: eek | 15:51 |
| slaine | not nice | 15:51 |
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| * slaine has been tracking down vlc thread lock bugs | 15:51 | |
| kontio | jausmus, to fix bug 6186 where should we but the .desktop file? | 15:52 |
| slaine | FunkyPenguin: how is that manifesting ? | 15:52 |
| FunkyPenguin | yeah, it's a real pita - completely random on both the same machine and different machines | 15:52 |
| * slaine shudders | 15:52 | |
| slaine | sounds like my last couple of weeks | 15:52 |
| slaine | seems to be fixed upstream in latest code for me at least | 15:52 |
| slaine | or it's harder to trigger ;) | 15:53 |
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| FunkyPenguin | slaine, well some of the panels just appear to be broken. example is MyZone will display the last item on the screen, web panel refuses to display anything etc | 15:53 |
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| Mat_Matan | bry | 15:53 |
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| FunkyPenguin | thing is im not sure if it's mutter at fault or what :/ | 15:54 |
| slaine | FunkyPenguin: you mean mutter-moblin | 15:54 |
| slaine | I assume | 15:54 |
| slaine | mutter wouldn't have anything to do with it. | 15:54 |
| FunkyPenguin | err yeah :) | 15:54 |
| slaine | Wonder if it's dbus issues ? | 15:54 |
| FunkyPenguin | ah could be | 15:54 |
| slaine | they all communicate via dbus so that'd be where I'd look | 15:55 |
| FunkyPenguin | i need to try and find time to see if i can get 1.1 built | 15:55 |
| * FunkyPenguin heads off to find someone more knowledgable in the dealings of d-bus | 15:55 | |
| FunkyPenguin | slaine, thanks for the pointer | 15:55 |
| slaine | np | 15:55 |
| slaine | double check the hdd stuff too before rushing off and buying anything based on my inane ramblings ;) | 15:56 |
| FunkyPenguin | heh, having a look now | 15:57 |
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| DawnFoster | reminder that the community office meeting starts in 30 minutes: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | i'd much rather be in the CO meeting than in the bank meeting i'm supposed to attend and listen to some guy trying to sell me a bank product :/ | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | sigh, real life sucks ;) | 16:33 |
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| ScottishDuck | DX10/11 now implemented in gallium3d | 16:42 |
| ScottishDuck | very cool | 16:42 |
| lolloo | wow | 16:43 |
| lolloo | where? | 16:43 |
| lolloo | can you link me? | 16:43 |
| lolloo | ScottishDuck, can you link me please | 16:43 |
| ColKilkenny | sounds like phoronix.com stuff | 16:44 |
| ColKilkenny | and it is :D http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=mesa_gallium3d_d3d11&num=1 | 16:45 |
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| ScottishDuck | lolloo: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=92617aeac109481258f0c3863d09c1b8903d438b | 16:58 |
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| lcuk | #meego-meeting community office meeting underway | 17:04 |
| Jartza | hmm | 17:05 |
| Jartza | should I become Qt-certified trainer | 17:05 |
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| slaine | sivang: yes, there was a general volunteer area | 17:18 |
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| sivang | slaine: right so I should just add to my profile that I signed there? | 17:19 |
| slaine | that's what's I'm doing | 17:19 |
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| DawnFoster | slaine: sivang: exactly what we need :) | 17:25 |
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| niala | hello, question: on meego-1.0-netbook-chromium-20100524.1 I tried install qt4.7 with meegotouch ( http://apidocs.meego.com/mtf/installation.html ) but when i try to compil http://apidocs.meego.com/mtf/tutorial.html i have a black screen | 17:38 |
| niala | with error Could not find view class for: MNavigationBar / "" | 17:39 |
| niala | Could not find view class for: MHomeButtonPanel / "" | 17:39 |
| niala | Could not find view class for: MHomeButtonPanel / "" | 17:39 |
| niala | etc ..... | 17:39 |
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| ddompe | X-Fade: ping | 17:48 |
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| ddompe | X-Fade: hi, I'm interested on testing the community OBS, and try to add myself to the wiki page, but the login for the wiki is rejecting me with "incorrect password" for my newly created meego account | 17:50 |
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| townxelliot | ddompe: try logging into the main meego.com site, then going to the wiki | 17:52 |
| ddompe | townxelliot: thanks, that worked | 17:52 |
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| ddompe | X-Fade: I added my information for the community OBS in the wiki | 17:53 |
| townxelliot | ddompe: there are a couple of issues with the SSO between the website and the wiki: some because of cookies going out of sync; and some because MediaWiki insists on showing its own login, even though I've tried to turn it off everywhere | 17:54 |
| ddompe | townxelliot: I understand, I maintain some mediwikis as well internally | 17:54 |
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| Khertan | Hi ... | 18:29 |
| Khertan | i' ve done a yum upgrade | 18:29 |
| Khertan | but as the process seems freezed | 18:29 |
| Khertan | after a wifi disconnect reconnect | 18:29 |
| Khertan | i do a ctrl-c to kill yum | 18:30 |
| Khertan | and relaunch it | 18:30 |
| Khertan | now the rpmdb seems broken | 18:30 |
| slaine | rpm --rebuilddb | 18:30 |
| Khertan | yeah ... but what ... | 18:30 |
| Khertan | just a ctrl c can break the db | 18:30 |
| Khertan | sudo rpm --rebuilddb Thread died ... fatal errpr | 18:31 |
| slaine | no, but disconnecting from the network during a network bound transaction probably didn't do it much good | 18:32 |
| slaine | nasty | 18:32 |
| * slaine wonders if btrfs has rollback support enabled | 18:32 | |
| Khertan | hum ... ok | 18:32 |
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| Khertan | god ... i was thinking that rpm tools cannot be so bad as used by other distro ... | 18:33 |
| Khertan | but ... ouch ... this is really annoying | 18:33 |
| slaine | you could try | 18:34 |
| slaine | sudo rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db* | 18:34 |
| slaine | sudo rpm -vv --rebuilddb | 18:35 |
| Khertan | yep i found that in the yum bugtracker | 18:37 |
| Khertan | the rebuild is still in progress | 18:37 |
| slaine | in the bad old days I used to have to run that a lot | 18:37 |
| slaine | it's literally been years since I've had to | 18:37 |
| Khertan | ouch ... i should redownload every package of the update | 18:38 |
| sivang | apt was once susceptible to that as well | 18:38 |
| sivang | or maybe it still is | 18:38 |
| Khertan | don't know i never got any problems with apt during 10 years | 18:39 |
| berndhs | all these problems will go away when we have the compliant stuff :P | 18:39 |
| slaine | all the packages that downloaded should be in /var/cache/yum | 18:39 |
| Khertan | the compliant stuff | 18:40 |
| sivang | ? | 18:40 |
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| sivang | berndhs: hat is the compliant stuff? | 18:43 |
| berndhs | its the stuff about one repo that the spec thread has been arguing about | 18:43 |
| berndhs | no more extras and other mixed repos, just the core | 18:44 |
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| Khertan | i didn't understand well how one repo can resolv the database break problem | 18:47 |
| Khertan | i ve try ctrl c a second time | 18:47 |
| Khertan | database corrupted again | 18:47 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:47 |
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| AbhiJit | hello | 18:54 |
| AbhiJit | is meego for laptops? | 18:54 |
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| AbhiJit | is now meego stable to install by end user? | 19:02 |
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| andre__ | AbhiJit: MeeGo Netbook 1.0 is available. However it's missing quite some features. Release 1.1 is planned for end of October. | 19:05 |
| AbhiJit | andre__, can i install it in my 'netbook'? hp compaq presario a965tu | 19:06 |
| AbhiJit | ohhhhhhhhhh soryyyyyyyyyyyyyy | 19:06 |
| AbhiJit | its 'NOTEBOOK'? | 19:06 |
| andre__ | you can try. Don't know for your specific hardware if all drivers are available. | 19:06 |
| AbhiJit | andre, thankyou | 19:06 |
| andre__ | but you might run into problems... | 19:06 |
| AbhiJit | :o | 19:07 |
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| AbhiJit | andre__, why? e.g.? | 19:07 |
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| andre__ | AbhiJit, I wrote " Don't know for your specific hardware if all drivers are available." | 19:09 |
| AbhiJit | andre__, ok np | 19:09 |
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| AbhiJit | andre__, bye | 19:11 |
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| * poutsi just realized we didn't have proper introductions at the tampere network meetup since he didn't catch anybody's irc nick :p | 19:32 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe, did it go well? | 19:33 |
| Myrtti | poutsi: aww. at BarCamp we used masking tape for name tags | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | poutsi: maybe it'd be a recommendation for other events, put your contact info / nickname on a paper or something | 19:34 |
| Myrtti | (my idea, I might add= | 19:34 |
| poutsi | yep, everybody was all meatspace now | 19:34 |
| poutsi | but it was good | 19:34 |
| Myrtti | good good | 19:34 |
| Myrtti | was the sponsored food & drink nice too? ;-) | 19:35 |
| Myrtti | there was that, wasn't there? *worries* | 19:35 |
| poutsi | more coffee next time >;) | 19:35 |
| poutsi | nah, twas great | 19:36 |
| Myrtti | hehe, great :-) | 19:36 |
| poutsi | i was famished, and lo and behold, subs! | 19:36 |
| poutsi | well partials | 19:36 |
| poutsi | but anyhoo... hope turnout is as good next time, musta been round 20 ppl | 19:37 |
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| poutsi | wondrer what the boss'd say if i sprung this parking charge on him | 19:40 |
| Myrtti | well, have to remember the masking tape next time. I know Demola peeps have some wide enough one for name tags. | 19:40 |
| poutsi | I'm building community, there's costs dammit | 19:40 |
| Myrtti | all it needs is waterproof marker and a a roll of the masking tape | 19:41 |
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| Myrtti | poutsi: awww shut up. I paid for the meetup.com-thing from my own pocket and didn't even think of reimbursing anyone >___< but nice that you liked the subs, courtesy of my employer :-P | 19:42 |
| Myrtti | s/reimbursing/asking for reimbursement from/ | 19:43 |
| infobot | Myrtti meant: poutsi: awww shut up. I paid for the meetup.com-thing from my own pocket and didn't even think of asking for reimbursement from anyone >___< but nice that you liked the subs, courtesy of my employer :-P | 19:43 |
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| poutsi | Myrtti: our undying gratitude: you can haz it :) and seriously speaking I'm not about to go thru the hassle of getting compensation for 4 euros ;) | 19:53 |
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| Myrtti | my brain is clearly on overdrive | 20:55 |
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| Stskeeps | auke: ping | 21:13 |
| sjokkis | DawnFoster: did you see the recent replies to the hardware queue thread? | 21:17 |
| auke | Stskeeps: sup | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | auke: how much do you know about crashdb.meego.com and 'good' ways to deal with debuginfo? | 21:17 |
| auke | I maintain corewatcher, factually I own crashdb together with kaitlin | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | we are starting to notice how horrible it is with 1gb qt debuginfo and such and wondered what on earth can be done to make debugging easier on handsets | 21:18 |
| auke | although we're not farming crashdb atm | 21:18 |
| auke | Stskeeps: this is why I don't like rich-core that much | 21:18 |
| auke | it's only going to flood the server.... hence the corewatcher approach | 21:19 |
| auke | with corewatcher we can just do high level statistics | 21:19 |
| auke | which is really what we want | 21:19 |
| auke | developer-focussed core debugging is best done manually :/ | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | is corewatcher more portable than abrt? (i assume it's the replacement) | 21:19 |
| auke | yeah, and it's tiny | 21:19 |
| auke | all it does is gdb 'bt' and http POST them | 21:20 |
| auke | basically | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | is this within user session or? | 21:20 |
| auke | corewatcher runs as root (daemon) | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | cos occasionally we have connman crashes :) | 21:21 |
| auke | there's a notification applet | 21:21 |
| auke | if you've seen kerneloops, you've seen corewatcher | 21:21 |
| auke | arjan wrote it, I fixed it :) | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | i guess our most common problem is that when we've gotten around to debugging, the debuginfo info packages in testing or where-ever has moved on | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | cos of rebuilds | 21:22 |
| auke | that's the next big thing I want to solve | 21:22 |
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| auke | zypper && debuginfo install | 21:22 |
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| Stskeeps | i think i've seen mention of 'debug' images in some other OS'es which was the images built but with debuginfo included | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | (of course seriously big) | 21:23 |
| auke | they're atrociously large | 21:23 |
| auke | but, so they should | 21:24 |
| auke | but with zypper we don't have a nice way to install debuginfo, as far as I can tell | 21:24 |
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| auke | either I'm going to hack a script to zypper-debuginfo-install --recursive /path/to/binary | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | it would be nice to simply send a core and get a bt back and what debuginfo packages you ought to install.. or something | 21:24 |
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| auke | or that | 21:24 |
| auke | there's a way | 21:24 |
| auke | but our debuginfo packages are not built properly with Provides: debuginfo(build-id)=$sha1 | 21:25 |
| auke | I'm not sure why | 21:25 |
| auke | I spent 2 hours this weekend trying to figure out who inserts the required provides into the debug rpms :/ | 21:26 |
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| Stskeeps | eh | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | debuginfo includes the entire source code? | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | i'm just wondering why i see the correct code in gdb :) | 21:36 |
| auke | yes | 21:41 |
| auke | that's how the debuginfo-extract tools work | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | well, i guess that explains the size ;) | 21:42 |
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| auke | localhost klogd: [508832.014492] Process meego-panel-pas (pid: 17837, ti=c948c000 task=c96380f0 task.ti=c948c000) | 22:04 |
| auke | brilliant, pasteboard segfaults every time I select something | 22:04 |
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| thiago_home | security feature | 22:04 |
| auke | I just found the perfect crashdb test program | 22:04 |
| auke | :) | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | you've obviously never tried fennec-qt on ARM then | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | crash on startup ;) | 22:05 |
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| auke | fantastic, I can imagine the CVE text already: User can pwn the box by cleverly crafter text-editor text and selecting it with the mouse | 22:06 |
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| Denji | I, uh, have a question. 8U Is there a less colourful theme for meego? Gonna try out the live distro but all the screenshots are like, BRIGHT RAINBOW BRIGHT PRIMARY COLOURS and I don't want that. D: | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | Denji: it's a way to motivate people to make more themes | 22:08 |
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| Denji | Hahaha. | 22:09 |
| auke | Denji: lol | 22:09 |
| auke | boring gray? install Xfce4 with the default gtk theme :) | 22:09 |
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| Denji | I suppose. =o | 22:09 |
| Denji | I'm just trying all sorts of different distros for my netbook. | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder how a goth meego theme would be like | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | pierced meegons with black hair? | 22:10 |
| Denji | Ew. | 22:10 |
| auke | meegoth? | 22:10 |
| CosmoHill | lol | 22:10 |
| auke | I'd be more interested in MeeGaGa | 22:11 |
| CosmoHill | Meegoth: MeeGo for teenagers | 22:11 |
| * CosmoHill bops auke | 22:11 | |
| auke | lunch afk | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | no, that's Meemo | 22:11 |
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| berndhs | or Che avatars for the non-compliant repos | 22:11 |
| CosmoHill | laptops are normally black or blood red | 22:12 |
| Denji | Let's just hope MeeGo doesn't crap itself like it did with jolicloud or ubuntu netbook remix on this thing. | 22:12 |
| RST38h | Mi-Go avatars for non-compliant repos | 22:12 |
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| Stskeeps | evening lbt | 22:21 |
| lbt | hey Stskeeps :) | 22:21 |
| lbt | back from a flu-infested Hel | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | (l)? ;) | 22:22 |
| lbt | sipping tea with mord's wonderful herby elixir in it :) | 22:22 |
| * Stskeeps is debugging fennec crashes | 22:23 | |
| * lbt met eric and discussed how we can be uber-draconian RSN | 22:23 | |
| Stskeeps | seems like things work fine when wchar_t is 2 in one part of a program and in libs it uses has wchar_t as 4 byte size on x86 but on arm it just craps itself and dies | 22:24 |
| lbt | that sounds reasonable | 22:24 |
| lbt | compiler padding? | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | that's sortof my theory atm | 22:24 |
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| thiago_home | Stskeeps: huh? anyone compiled code with -fshort-wchar? | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: well, for some reason fennec-qt does this in our arm builds and i'm getting fairly convinced this is a bad thing,. | 22:37 |
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| thiago_home | does anything in fennec require 2-byte wchars? | 22:38 |
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| thiago_home | ARM EABI usually saves all the ABI-changing options in the ELF header | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | it's used for NS_LITERAL_STRING and i'm thinking it works withou.. | 22:39 |
| thiago_home | I don't know if -fshort-wchar is saved there -- my guess it isn't, because otherwise it wouldn't even link | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | it warns pretty loudly | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | in ld | 22:40 |
| thiago_home | of mixing different options? | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 22:40 |
| thiago_home | hrm | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | (not my package fwiw, but i'm diagnosing a fennec crash) | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | or, rather, 'the' fennec crash on ARM | 22:40 |
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| thiago_home | any Qt code in the backtrace? | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | not as far as i could see, the JS garbage collector basically dies | 22:41 |
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| * thiago_home has the same problem with JavaScriptCore and ICC on 32-bit x86 | 22:41 | |
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| thiago_home | I wonder what the KJS developers were smoking when they came up with that garbage collector | 22:42 |
| Denji | How good is moblin at seeing stuff on windows networks? :V | 22:42 |
| Denji | It's not gonna be like I CAN SEE THEM BUT I CAN'T LOOK AT THEM is it. | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | no need for caps, Denji :) | 22:42 |
| Denji | The caps are usually a joke. :V | 22:42 |
| Denji | or something. | 22:43 |
| Denji | That's supposed to be like DRAMATIC. | 22:43 |
| thiago_home | the caps are usually screaming | 22:43 |
| thiago_home | or rather, always | 22:43 |
| Denji | Nothing says overdramatic like screaming. Anyway. | 22:43 |
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| kfx | actually the caps are like letters that have on average a slightly higher pixel density per glyph | 22:44 |
| kfx | alternately, lowe case is like whispering | 22:44 |
| * Denji snrrks. | 22:44 | |
| Denji | So you guys are mumbling and sometimes I have inside voice issues. | 22:45 |
| Denji | Horray! | 22:45 |
| kfx | pretty fair summary | 22:45 |
| thiago_home | kfx: are you sure they are higher density? | 22:45 |
| kfx | thiago_home: in a monospaced font, they ought to be | 22:47 |
| kfx | since they're the same width but taller | 22:48 |
| thiago_home | but caps are usually larger/taller, so shouldn't they be of lower density? | 22:48 |
| * kfx wanders off to run an analysis | 22:48 | |
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| kfx | thiago_home: no, the glyph size is boxed in a monospace font | 22:48 |
| kfx | for instance, all glyphs are, say, 8x16 | 22:48 |
| kfx | pixels that is | 22:48 |
| thiago_home | the width, yes | 22:48 |
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| thiago_home | but the point is that a lowercase m is less tall than an uppercase M | 22:49 |
| kfx | I'm talking about the whole 8x16-pixel array | 22:49 |
| kfx | m and M both have the same number of potentially-available pixels | 22:49 |
| thiago_home | ah, you're talking about the density of pixels in the available area, not in the area circumscribing the painted pixels :-) | 22:51 |
| kfx | right :) | 22:53 |
| Denji | -- | 22:55 |
| Denji | Well that was a fast boot. | 22:55 |
| Denji | Less than 10 seconds. | 22:56 |
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| thiago_home | that's the idea :-) | 22:56 |
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| Denji | The chrome icon looks really ugly for some reason though. | 22:56 |
| Denji | The rest is fine. | 22:56 |
| Denji | Also it can't seem to find my wifi card, this may be a problem. | 22:57 |
| kfx | Denji: can you do me a favor and /msg me the output of uname -a ? | 22:58 |
| Denji | Done. | 23:00 |
| kfx | thanks very much | 23:01 |
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| Kubuntiac | I noticed that the reference to needing port 443 open for Webfinger dissapeared from the Wiki. Has this changed? | 23:11 |
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| Kubuntiac | Oops. Wrong channel :/ | 23:12 |
| thiago_home | yeah, I was wondering :-) | 23:12 |
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| Denji | Well this sucks. | 23:15 |
| auke | your vacuum cleaner? | 23:15 |
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| Denji | I wanted to try MeeGo out for awhile but the wifi won't work, so I found a tutorial online to make broadcom drivers work but I can only do it in an actual installed version of MeeGo and completely destroying the point of trying it out as a live distro. | 23:16 |
| Kubuntiac | thiago_home: You don't all run webfinger from your MeeGo boxes? ;P | 23:16 |
| thiago_home | Denji: you know who you can blame. Broadcom. | 23:17 |
| Denji | Or maybe do what every other distro does and include the drivers or allow them to be downloaded but give a big warning about them being closed source. | 23:17 |
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| * Denji is kind of disappointed because this seemed to be pretty nice and speedy. But the theme kills him and now he can't use wifi, so! Oh well. :v Off to find another distro. | 23:20 | |
| Denji | Thanks for the help guys. :o | 23:20 |
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| CosmoHill | I wonder when people will understand the meego is still under development and bring improved | 23:24 |
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| Stskeeps | it'll be a long time until the usual consumer understands true open development | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | with all the gorey details of how ugly things look during development | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:25 |
| RST38h | Why does a consumer need to understand open development? | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | they don't have to, but they'll see snapshots and videos and think it's the final thing | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | so they need to be sortof aware of it | 23:26 |
| RST38h | Oh that | 23:27 |
| RST38h | Well, they see snapshots and videos of an average Symbian phone (a closed project) andthinkit is a final thing and they still end up being wrong | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | many people understand 'beta' but even fewer understand how 'alpha' a mobile os can look | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P\ | 23:27 |
| RST38h | In fact, they are wrong thinking it is a final thing even when buying it at the store | 23:27 |
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| Stskeeps | that is true | 23:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:28 |
| kfx | the easy solution is to stop posting videos of things the project can't deliver :V | 23:28 |
| RST38h | kfx is 100% right | 23:28 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, they expect the earth to be quietly cleared, followed by a smooth erection process, like barn building | 23:28 |
| RST38h | lcuk: That sounded... vague. | 23:29 |
| lcuk | how we have it resembles an army air drop | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | well, i think this may be the first time we've had the word 'erection' mentioned here | 23:29 |
| RST38h | lcuk: How you have it resembles Napoleon's retreat from Russia | 23:29 |
| * lcuk now cringes as random quote of the month goes to smooth erection | 23:30 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: Yes, I am very negative and sarcastic again, sorry :) | 23:30 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, I saw some patches on the mailing list today for SMS in the reference apps | 23:31 |
| lcuk | is that the first direct patch for new functionality in them for a while? | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | admittedly it's from a nokian but it's been done outside the handset team | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | +ux | 23:33 |
| lcuk | its not where they come from that matters, its just good to see :) | 23:34 |
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