| mosty | is there an sdk image available for 1.0.x? | 00:00 |
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| Jaffa | DawnFoster: ping (meego-architecture seems to be missing off http://meego.com/user/me/user_mailman_register) | 00:21 |
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| DawnFoster | jaffa - that's because it ins't set up yet | 00:22 |
| DawnFoster | and none of the architects are subscribed :) | 00:22 |
| DawnFoster | created, but not ready for use | 00:22 |
| Jaffa | DawnFoster: Ah, I'm sure I saw an email on meego-dev recently saying "go use meego-architecture" instead. Which surprised me, cos I hadn't seen an announcement :-) | 00:23 |
| DawnFoster | As soon as we get it up and running, we'll add it to the list | 00:23 |
| DawnFoster | yeah, not sure what he was thinking :) | 00:23 |
| Jaffa | DawnFoster: I'll scrap the MWKN article highlighting it then :-) | 00:23 |
| DawnFoster | please! | 00:23 |
| Jaffa | done :) | 00:23 |
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| gemidjy | anyone debugging with gdbserver on qemu meego's image? | 00:37 |
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| marnanel | Is there any known problem in libmeegotouch which would cause an app that previously ran fine to start spitting out X errors as of about yesterday? I'm getting this from a program that used to work: http://pastebin.ca/1944666 | 04:50 |
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| lcuk | marnanel, eep | 05:17 |
| * marnanel suspects I'm going to have to reinstall or something :( | 05:18 | |
| lcuk | is this from full sdk? | 05:19 |
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| marnanel | yes | 05:20 |
| marnanel | um, for the handset ux, I mean | 05:21 |
| lcuk | how often does it get updated that the problem might just go away during tomorrow? | 05:21 |
| lcuk | have you noticed any bugs about it | 05:22 |
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| * marnanel hasn't found any bugs about it, from searching on any obvious keywords. It might have gone away tomorrow, though | 05:26 | |
| lcuk | hmm it would be a shame to have to rebuild sdk for one regression | 05:27 |
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| marnanel | okay, if I yum erase libmeegotouch, the problem goes away, so it's presumably a libmeegotouch problem | 05:32 |
| marnanel | also all the proper decoration goes away, but you can't have everything :) | 05:32 |
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| lcuk | marnanel, hmm perhaps file it or at least bring it to attention of devs in the morning | 05:37 |
| * marnanel nods, good plan | 05:37 | |
| marnanel | thanks | 05:37 |
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| marnanel | got it, it's specifically libmeegotouch-qtstyle. when that's installed, it breaks. | 05:46 |
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| Katie-Bug8585 | ? | 06:02 |
| lcuk | Katie-Bug8585, bug 8585 does not exist on bugs.meego.com whats up | 06:03 |
| Katie-Bug8585 | So confused | 06:05 |
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| Katie-Bug8585 | What the heck | 06:05 |
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| kfx | I'm guessing katie-bug was born in 1985 | 06:09 |
| johnx | kfx, or from the far future? | 06:11 |
| kfx | johnx: that would explain her confusion! | 06:12 |
| johnx | by 8585 IRC conventions and etiquette may differ slightly from our own | 06:12 |
| kfx | I'm sure the freenode lag is causing problems with her neural interface | 06:12 |
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| Mat_Matan | morning | 08:11 |
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| fabiomssilva | hi all | 09:49 |
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| jorma | is there any gsm 0710 mux component in meego? | 09:50 |
| thiago_home | I don't think it's done in software | 09:51 |
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| jorma | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-releases/2010-August/000164.html seems to suggest that there is a gsm muxer in the works | 09:57 |
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| lolloo | sorry for being slow, is meego out for N900 ? | 09:58 |
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| thiago_home | yes | 09:59 |
| thiago_home | by "out", it means "there's a release that you can install" | 09:59 |
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| Stskeeps | lolloo: if by meego you mean meego.com and not a nokia product, then yes, it's out with development releases, but not meego 1.1, that's first in october | 09:59 |
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| Kame_ | is this the proper place to ask for help with installation? | 10:19 |
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| Kame_ | how much hd space should I partition for the os? | 10:20 |
| fabiomssilva | Hi | 10:21 |
| fabiomssilva | all depends what you want to do :) | 10:21 |
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| fabiomssilva | for development of apps 4G shall be more than enough | 10:21 |
| fabiomssilva | if you want to compile some libs such as qt... that can became short | 10:22 |
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| Kame_ | so, is it possible to (running win7) partition about 6gb of free space, write the meego os img to that, and then install it to that partition from there? | 10:24 |
| fabiomssilva | now I am confuse :) | 10:24 |
| Kame_ | sorry | 10:24 |
| Kame_ | basically, I don't have a usb drive or a disk drive on my netbook | 10:25 |
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| fabiomssilva | I will suggest that you run that inside a emulator | 10:25 |
| fabiomssilva | :) | 10:25 |
| Kame_ | like... some sort of virtual drive image mounting software? | 10:25 |
| fabiomssilva | a virtual machine inside your own operating system | 10:26 |
| Kame_ | oh, but I don't want to use win7 anymore. | 10:27 |
| fabiomssilva | you want to use it as primary operating system ? | 10:28 |
| Kame_ | i want to use meego as the primary os | 10:29 |
| johnx | Kame_, it's a lot less risky to use a USB drive, even a small old one would help | 10:29 |
| fabiomssilva | and I do not think that meego is ready for that :) to be a primary operating system. It still under hard development ! | 10:30 |
| fabiomssilva | you shall try it out first :) | 10:30 |
| Kame_ | hahaha | 10:31 |
| Kame_ | yeah, the only usb drive I have is 128mb | 10:31 |
| Kame_ | :/ | 10:31 |
| spurvewt | Kame_, try some other linux distrub for the primary..) | 10:31 |
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| johnx | Kame_, do you feel comfortable with command line tools that work directly on your hard drive? | 10:31 |
| Kame_ | spurvewt: what do you suggest? | 10:32 |
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| Kame_ | johnx: sure | 10:32 |
| spurvewt | Kame_, mm.. I like archlinux..) | 10:33 |
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| fabiomssilva | ubutu :) | 10:33 |
| fabiomssilva | *ubuntu | 10:33 |
| spurvewt | but maybe it's not for the start of linux way.. for the start it's good with ubuntu, debian, suse, etc..) | 10:34 |
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| Kame_ | yeah, this little netbook's keyboard is so awkward, i was looking for an os that would flow really nicely with a touchscreen. | 10:35 |
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| johnx | Kame_, I'd recommend installing ubuntu and using that to do the partitioning for meego. I think there's a version of ubuntu that installs inside a windows partition | 10:36 |
| Kame_ | some friends of mine use various linux distros but they all seem to favor running things from some sort of terminal ( is that the word?) | 10:36 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:37 |
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| Kame_ | johnx: oh man... so use win7 to partition for ubuntu, and then use ubuntu to format/partition over the win7 partion? | 10:38 |
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| johnx | well, actually, you could probably partition in win7, dd the image to the new partition, then try and convince the windows bootloader to start it | 10:39 |
| johnx | sounds like a lot of work though | 10:39 |
| fabiomssilva | if you want to get serious about removing Win7 | 10:39 |
| fabiomssilva | burn a linux cd and install it | 10:39 |
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| Kame_ | what you're basically saying is quit being stubborn and buy a usb drive. xD | 10:40 |
| fabiomssilva | and.. you will have a a option to delete win7 | 10:40 |
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| Kame_ | fabiomssilva: i don't have a disk drive | 10:41 |
| johnx | Kame_, yes. buy a usb stick. or borrow one from a friend | 10:41 |
| johnx | you could probably use the 128MB stick and debian 'net install' disk to do the partitioning actually | 10:41 |
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| kyb3R | moin | 10:44 |
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| Kame_ | thanks y'all | 10:47 |
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| Kame_ | I'm going to go look into some of these methods before i give up and go buy a memory stick. xD | 10:48 |
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| Myrtti | $timeofday | 11:32 |
| johnx | Myrtti, I won't give it to you :D | 11:32 |
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| Myrtti | johnx: I hate you anyway ;-) | 11:37 |
| johnx | yeah, I get that a lot | 11:38 |
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| ayanes | concerning the 3 day of MeeGo conference | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 12:36 |
| ayanes | What are the steps to organize some conference/workshop that day? | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | show up :) | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | look up 'barcamp' | 12:36 |
| ayanes | Yes Stskeeps | 12:37 |
| ayanes | but the thing is how to reserve some room | 12:37 |
| ayanes | etc | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | we're working on the exact details, but it is a very ad-hoc approach | 12:37 |
| ayanes | ok if you need help with that | 12:37 |
| ayanes | I find some help | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:38 |
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| Myrtti | hm | 13:53 |
| Myrtti | I wonder | 13:53 |
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| Trollkarlen | In the kickstart files you can have groups @MeeGo Core where is it stated what packages is included in this groups ? | 13:55 |
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| Myrtti | there, sent the question on the forum | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | Trollkarlen: package-groups or something on meego.gitorious.org | 14:13 |
| sivu | so whats the kernel version going to be in meego 1.1 | 14:15 |
| sivu | .35? | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | 3.5 | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | er, .35 | 14:15 |
| sivu | ok | 14:15 |
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| Myrtti | I wish I made some sense in that... | 14:33 |
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| vlj | I think that no one work for toshiba here ? ;) | 15:03 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, you need to paste a link here | 15:05 |
| lcuk | otherwise how will people find your post in the forum | 15:05 |
| Myrtti | well anyways, I was wondering is there any concious effort on the accessability front of meego | 15:06 |
| Myrtti | or is it all just piggybacking on gnome etc | 15:06 |
| Myrtti | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1502 so I posted a forum thread about it. | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: well, in #meego-arm we have a blind guy working to make meego/n900 a proper accessible device with libmeegotouch and such | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | for his area | 15:07 |
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| Myrtti | Stskeeps: I'd like to see the accessability issue something that is taken into account on all areas of MeeGo :-) | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: agreed | 15:07 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, touchscreens are generally not best for accessiblity - especially for blind people. and haptics would need multitple levels of interaction to know the differences | 15:09 |
| Myrtti | I've got my own visually impaired moments when I have an oncoming migraine attack and it would be nice to know that the subject of making MeeGo kick ass for people of different disabilities | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: even a button that equal's "tab" is useful.. | 15:09 |
| Myrtti | is taken care of | 15:09 |
| lcuk | yes | 15:09 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: then how come this person in his blogpost is head over heels about iphone? | 15:10 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, tab was important for coders, its vital for blind people :) | 15:10 |
| Myrtti | what do they do different and can we do something similar or BETTER? | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | i like the tdriver approach.. that basically every object in the ui of libmeegotouch is inspectable | 15:10 |
| RST38h | iPhones are shiny | 15:10 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, i wasnt implying its impossible | 15:10 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: if it shines, he can't see it ;-) | 15:10 |
| RST38h | Yes, we can create a better cult, with free whores to anyone who buys 12+ Meego devices | 15:11 |
| Myrtti | insert dry, ironic laughter here | 15:11 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: that was uncalled for | 15:11 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Just being practical and considering all possibilities | 15:11 |
| Myrtti | ... | 15:12 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, close your eyes and use any device | 15:12 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Then the dumb phone will win as it can be operated with eyes closed | 15:12 |
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| kfx | So can a smart phone. | 15:12 |
| kfx | My friend uses a nexus one because he can't see and it's got the best voice control | 15:13 |
| lcuk | RST38h, look deeply for the reason for that | 15:13 |
| Myrtti | right, the discussion is ruined for me now, I give up. | 15:13 |
| Myrtti | can't get the idea of misogynistic comments about iphones and whores out my head now. | 15:13 |
| * Myrtti goes back to work | 15:13 | |
| lcuk | Myrtti, dont let one comment throw you off track | 15:13 |
| kfx | your lack of head management isn't particularly interesting | 15:14 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Actually, wasn't any misogynism in it | 15:14 |
| kfx | Rhe | 15:14 |
| kfx | RST38h: that's just projection from a world where only women can be whores | 15:14 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: But yes, the female userbase will need a different incentive | 15:15 |
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| Myrtti | kfx: my head management works fine, thank you. It has helped me consider how I use my free time, unsubscribing from 15+ mailing lists, stopping frequenting 20+ irc channels and using more time blogging about more interesting hobbies, such as cooking thai inspired food and filing my SO's bankstatements to a filing cabinet. | 15:16 |
| Myrtti | I recon it's time for tea and cookies. | 15:16 |
| kfx | great story | 15:16 |
| kfx | taking notes | 15:16 |
| Myrtti | you're welcome, these tips are offered free of charge | 15:17 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, whos the person going the tdriver stuff?? | 15:20 |
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| lcuk | lets add that info onto myrttis post | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: search for tdriver in #meego-arm logs | 15:20 |
| adeus | me? | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | in the last couple of days | 15:20 |
| lcuk | cant search | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | well, adeus | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:20 |
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| lcuk | lay in bed on my side | 15:20 |
| * lcuk adores long weekend | 15:20 | |
| * adeus runs and hides | 15:20 | |
| Myrtti | lcuk: long weekend? awwwwww | 15:21 |
| lcuk | adeus, could make a short post on the thread Myrtti started please | 15:21 |
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| Myrtti | should probably add a disclaimer to the post | 15:22 |
| Myrtti | I do know that the project pulls some accessibility stuff from gnome and other projects that are upstream | 15:22 |
| Myrtti | but is there any effort in the overall MeeGo experience? | 15:23 |
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| adeus | well accessibility in general is not TDrivers field | 15:26 |
| adeus | but enabling those kinds of thing would be cool | 15:26 |
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| lcuk | adeus, does this tdriver stuff work in general qt as well | 15:28 |
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| theplic | hi. how do i start contributing patches for bugs? how do i start? where do i get the source and how do i build it? | 15:28 |
| adeus | lcuk: yes | 15:28 |
| lcuk | theplic, have you a patch to contribute? or are you jumping the gun and asking how to do development itself | 15:29 |
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| Myrtti | ooh | 15:41 |
| Myrtti | http://forum.meego.com/vaispy.php this is actually useful | 15:41 |
| Myrtti | wicked cool! | 15:41 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, :P I have that on | 15:44 |
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| Trollkarlen | Stskeeps: thx | 16:22 |
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| vlj | what is the bootloader used by meego for n900 ? | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | nolo | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:24 |
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| vlj | nolo ? | 16:24 |
| vlj | se ? ;) | 16:24 |
| pinchartl | vlj: it's a proprietary nokia bootloader | 16:24 |
| vlj | ok | 16:24 |
| johd | :D | 16:24 |
| pinchartl | I suppose it stands for NOkia LOader | 16:24 |
| johd | special edition :p | 16:24 |
| vlj | but | 16:24 |
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| vlj | it is "erased" when installing meego or ..? | 16:25 |
| vlj | I mean there is a bootloader for maemo | 16:25 |
| vlj | and if you install meego you overwrite it ? | 16:25 |
| pinchartl | it's the same boot loader | 16:25 |
| vlj | ok | 16:25 |
| vlj | you cannot install any other bootloader I guess ? | 16:25 |
| pinchartl | you can, but you'll have to write one first :-) | 16:26 |
| pinchartl | and you'll need to have it signed | 16:26 |
| vlj | I mean Uboot | 16:26 |
| vlj | ok | 16:26 |
| vlj | and is there a "pre bootloader" ? | 16:26 |
| vlj | like BIOS on x86 computer | 16:26 |
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| pinchartl | the BIOS is a boot loader | 16:27 |
| vlj | ok | 16:27 |
| pinchartl | I think there's a first stage loader before NOLO | 16:27 |
| vlj | but you cannot access it ? | 16:27 |
| pinchartl | but it's very small and doesnt do much | 16:27 |
| pinchartl | it's only used to load and start NOLO | 16:27 |
| vlj | ok | 16:28 |
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| pinchartl | (it might setup SDRAM as well, not sure about that) | 16:28 |
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| vlj | what happen if you mess up with nolo ? | 16:28 |
| vlj | there is no way to restore it ? | 16:28 |
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| pinchartl | you can restore it | 16:34 |
| pinchartl | the OMAP3430 can boot on USB | 16:34 |
| vlj | ok | 16:34 |
| vlj | by the way | 16:34 |
| vlj | I've heard that tegra does not ship with neon support | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | meego isn't ARMv7+NEON | 16:35 |
| pinchartl | but if you really mess up with the flash I think you might destroy device-specific data that you won't be able to recover | 16:35 |
| vlj | instead there is some afp*something* extensions | 16:35 |
| vlj | are there tegra specific instruction, or does arm cortex A9 come with replacement for neon ? | 16:36 |
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| timeless_pidgin | Good morning intel | 18:09 |
| Mat_Matan | hi | 18:09 |
| timeless_pidgin | DawnFoster: ping | 18:09 |
| timeless_pidgin | Stskeeps: ping | 18:09 |
| DawnFoster | hey timeless_pidgin | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_pidgin: pong | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_pidgin: good proposal by you and sivang | 18:10 |
| timeless_pidgin | So, about bugzilla.... | 18:10 |
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| timeless_pidgin | People are marking bugs as fixed (yay). And they include vcs identifiers | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | there's a difference between fixed and released | 18:11 |
| timeless_pidgin | But they *don't* include a repository url. | 18:11 |
| timeless_pidgin | Which makes the identifiers next to useless :( | 18:11 |
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| timeless_pidgin | For mozilla.org, we include a url which encodes the commit id. | 18:11 |
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| timeless_pidgin | This enables people to figure out the repository as well as browse the changeset(s) | 18:12 |
| DawnFoster | that's a really good point | 18:13 |
| timeless_pidgin | Could we strongly encourage people to do the same in meego? Thanks | 18:13 |
| * timeless_pidgin lunches in belfast | 18:14 | |
| timeless_pidgin | Today's tour was "murals on buildings" | 18:14 |
| w00t_ | timeless_pidgin: holiday? | 18:14 |
| timeless_pidgin | You haven't noticed? :( | 18:15 |
| timeless_pidgin | It's been two weeks now... | 18:15 |
| w00t_ | I've not been paying much attention online tbh, been a bit busy the past few weeks | 18:15 |
| timeless_pidgin | But yeah, it's time for my summer vacation :) | 18:15 |
| DawnFoster | stskeeps: it's QA that marks items as fixed, right? | 18:15 |
| DawnFoster | stskeeps: just trying to make sure I'm poking the right people? | 18:15 |
| w00t_ | i'd think the developers mark it fixed, QA verifies the fix | 18:16 |
| w00t_ | but I know nothing | 18:16 |
| timeless_pidgin | Afaict an engineer marked the bug as fixed | 18:16 |
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| DawnFoster | yeah, that's probably true | 18:17 |
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| timeless_pidgin | But it's ok to have qa teach engineering | 18:17 |
| DawnFoster | the engineer should post the repo url and qa can double check to make sure it's there | 18:17 |
| timeless_pidgin | If that's an easier way to spread the knowledge | 18:17 |
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| DawnFoster | qa tends to run the bugzilla process anyway, so good point | 18:17 |
| timeless_pidgin | But yeah, it's best for the engineer to provide the url | 18:17 |
| timeless_pidgin | Eventually qa should be able to use the engineer provided url for stuff... | 18:18 |
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| wesbluemarine | can multitouch of meego for tablet support 20 fingers concurrently? | 19:56 |
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| berndhs | wesbluemarine: piano duet app ? intriguing idea :) | 20:02 |
| wesbluemarine | berndhs | 20:03 |
| wesbluemarine | i'm asking because | 20:03 |
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| wesbluemarine | 3m has a new multitouch monitor tha can do that | 20:03 |
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| berndhs | i have no idead if it supports that, but I can see many applications now that you bring it up | 20:04 |
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| berndhs | piano, many games, seance for the believers,... | 20:05 |
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| wesbluemarine | and what about cad? | 20:06 |
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| wesbluemarine | or 3d manipolation | 20:06 |
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| berndhs | cad with fingers is hard, how to get precision on the input | 20:06 |
| berndhs | with stylus, sure | 20:06 |
| berndhs | touch and glove inputs seem great for presentation, but harder for input that needs precision | 20:07 |
| berndhs | unfortunately, i don't have a touch device to experiment with :) | 20:07 |
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| berndhs | but if you can make a guesture with 3 or 4 fingers that gives precise input, you probably have something to replace a mouse | 20:09 |
| wesbluemarine | eheheh | 20:09 |
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| wesbluemarine | but i think that i can only try if meego can | 20:09 |
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| wesbluemarine | i've seen video of windows 7... | 20:09 |
| Myrtti | wesbluemarine: irc is notoriously bad for getting certain answers | 20:10 |
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| Myrtti | wesbluemarine: have you tried asking in mailinglists or the forum? | 20:10 |
| berndhs | there is a mailing list for the touch stuff | 20:10 |
| berndhs | meego-touch-dev@meego.com | 20:10 |
| wesbluemarine | ah | 20:11 |
| wesbluemarine | sorry | 20:11 |
| wesbluemarine | btw | 20:11 |
| berndhs | you could ask how many fingers there | 20:11 |
| Myrtti | wesbluemarine: nothing to be sorry about :-) | 20:11 |
| berndhs | i would like to know :) | 20:11 |
| berndhs | so when you find out, come back and tell us ? | 20:11 |
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| wesbluemarine | http://www.youtube.com/user/3MTouchSystems#p/c/AEAAE413F3F7F90D | 20:12 |
| wesbluemarine | look at the videos :) | 20:12 |
| berndhs | i don't take videos of UIs as evidence that anything actually works | 20:12 |
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| M3n0 | HI! | 20:24 |
| M3n0 | Anyone got an idea how to set up a DSL connection on MeeGo! | 20:24 |
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| M3n0 | noone's here :( | 20:25 |
| Myrtti | sure there is | 20:26 |
| Myrtti | we just don't necessarily know how to answer | 20:26 |
| M3n0 | ohh | 20:26 |
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| M3n0 | I can't even see my home wireless connection | 20:26 |
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| Myrtti | what kind of a wireless connection is it? | 20:26 |
| M3n0 | WEP | 20:26 |
| M3n0 | 802.11g | 20:27 |
| M3n0 | I boot MeeGo and my wireless card is working 100% but yet I don't detect my network | 20:27 |
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| M3n0 | or any other as a matter of fact | 20:28 |
| Myrtti | so how do you know it's working 100%? | 20:28 |
| Myrtti | you've tested it how? | 20:28 |
| M3n0 | I stil have windows xp installed | 20:29 |
| M3n0 | and when I reboot to xp I can normaly use it | 20:29 |
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| Myrtti | that doesn't mean it'll work in MeeGo automatically ;-) | 20:29 |
| M3n0 | true. :D | 20:29 |
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| M3n0 | Another thing, I still haven't INSTALLED MeeGo | 20:30 |
| M3n0 | I'm just booting it from an usb | 20:30 |
| M3n0 | could that be a reason perhaps? | 20:30 |
| Myrtti | what kind of a wireless card do you have then? what make of a netbook do you have? | 20:30 |
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| theplic | M3n0: no wireless works on live-usb too | 20:31 |
| M3n0 | I have a Lenovo s10 | 20:31 |
| thiago | M3n0: download the Broadcom wifi drivers | 20:31 |
| thiago | and compile yourself. You need to install the necessary packages to build kernel modules. | 20:32 |
| M3n0 | Let's say I'm new to Linux based operating systems | 20:32 |
| thiago | then you're unfortunate, this is not an easy task. | 20:32 |
| M3n0 | firstly, where can I find these drivers and how to compile them | 20:32 |
| M3n0 | Ok, where can I learn? | 20:33 |
| thiago | you should first complain to your vendor that they are not shipping Linux drivers | 20:33 |
| thiago | you should complain to Lenovo (so they can complain to Broadcom) | 20:33 |
| thiago | if we don't put pressure on Broadcom, they'll never change | 20:33 |
| Myrtti | I thought they just released some | 20:33 |
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| M3n0 | Ok, so I find the drivers but how can I get them to MeeGo? | 20:34 |
| thiago | I'm looking for the info, hold on | 20:35 |
| thiago | actually, sorry, I don't have the time to find the email now | 20:35 |
| thiago | the drivers are in broadcom's website | 20:35 |
| thiago | they must have the instructions there too | 20:35 |
| M3n0 | ok, thaks for the help. I will look into it | 20:35 |
| M3n0 | Thanks to you too Myratti | 20:35 |
| M3n0 | I'm a bit closer to solve this problem | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: Broadcom has actually opened their wifi drivers recently | 20:36 |
| thiago | it's not on the kernel shipped with 1.0 | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | nop, but this is very recent | 20:36 |
| thiago | and "opened" isn't enough | 20:36 |
| thiago | they have to get the drivers into the upstream kernel | 20:36 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago: http://twitter.com/gregkh/status/24027482819 | 20:36 |
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| Myrtti | Stskeeps: just read jzemlins blogentry and it says it's effects are limited to the new n-chipsets? | 20:37 |
| Myrtti | http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/158-jim-zemlin/361472-good-news-for-linux-users-from-broadcom | 20:38 |
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| vnepo | when is meego 1.0 coming out? | 20:38 |
| thiago | vnepo: six months ago | 20:38 |
| vnepo | for mobile phones | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: hrm, ok | 20:39 |
| thiago | vnepo: 1.0 was six months ago | 20:39 |
| vnepo | a working one for the n900 that isnt' slow | 20:39 |
| vnepo | oh i didn't know | 20:39 |
| thiago | vnepo: 1.1 is next month | 20:39 |
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| vnepo | oh ok thanks | 20:39 |
| vnepo | can't wait | 20:39 |
| thiago | doesn't mean it will be usable | 20:39 |
| vnepo | i guess 1.1 is the stable build | 20:39 |
| vnepo | really? | 20:39 |
| thiago | yes | 20:39 |
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| vnepo | hmm | 20:40 |
| vnepo | i read the forums that sometime in nov. a meego for n900 will be available | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | vnepo: want to see a video? | 20:40 |
| * thiago hasn't been following up on what the handset can do | 20:40 | |
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| vnepo | i saw some vidoes in youtube for meego ux... but if you have a more recent one yes please. | 20:40 |
| thiago | it will run and it will have a UI, but can it make calls already? | 20:41 |
| thiago | the other thing is: Nokia will not support MeeGo on the N900. You can install it if you want. | 20:41 |
| vnepo | well im hoping the build in November will be functional for the n900..i just read this somehwere. | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | vnepo: keep in mind meego for n900 isn't a nokia product and under development still - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO0VoHtVdY8 | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | vnepo: there's varying degrees of functional :) | 20:41 |
| vnepo | yea i heard nokia wont support it but we have the community of developers so we should be good | 20:41 |
| vnepo | lol true | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: yes, i've called into nokia telco successfully with dtmf | 20:41 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 20:41 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago: and had a normal phone call | 20:41 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago: not integrated yet due to us being a tad late, but it should be coming for 1.1 | 20:42 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: niec | 20:42 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: can it hang up too? | 20:42 |
| vnepo | i like the video | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: yes | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: the sound comes out the speakers, but .. :) | 20:42 |
| vnepo | i really can't wait! | 20:42 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: the last time I saw MeeGo making a call, the hanging up was taking the battery out | 20:42 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago: it's one way ;) | 20:42 |
| * Stskeeps hopes we'll have meego 1.2 to a point where he can eat his own dogfood. | 20:43 | |
| M3n0 | Last release date of drivers for Lenovo from Broadcom were in 2009 and I can't seem to find anything new on Broadcom's site either :@ | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | (ie, use it as a mobile device..) | 20:44 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: I've been eating my own Harmattan dogfood | 20:44 |
| vnepo | this is what i found: http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entry/Nokia-N900-Gets-MeeGo1-1-on-21-27-October | 20:44 |
| thiago | and today no one heard me in my call | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | vnepo: yes, but don't trust random blogs :) | 20:44 |
| M3n0 | all for Windows :@ | 20:44 |
| vnepo | awwww | 20:44 |
| vnepo | well im crossing my fingers | 20:45 |
| vnepo | i think meego looks good | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | vnepo: we're on a fixed release schedule, meego 1.1 comes out on 21-27 but it's not a nokia product | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | vnepo: development images are already downloadable for the daring | 20:45 |
| vnepo | yea i want to install a stable one | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | ah, finally a sane user.. | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:45 |
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| vnepo | lol well yea the phone is pricey.. lol | 20:45 |
| vnepo | don't wanna break it | 20:45 |
| thiago | break the n900? | 20:46 |
| thiago | just make sure you have the link to the standard image and the flasher tool | 20:46 |
| thiago | it's very hard to break it | 20:46 |
| vnepo | oh well i've never done it | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | only way to do that would be to wipe the bootloader and config partitions, or use a wall | 20:46 |
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| thiago | MohammadAG51: I think you can recover from wiped bootloader by doing a cold flash | 20:47 |
| vnepo | i've never installed another os on the n900 yet .. | 20:47 |
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| vnepo | the meego will be my first | 20:47 |
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| MohammadAG51 | thiago, i said and, not or :P | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: or as commonly done: draining your battery to the point nolo won't let you tart | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | start | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, i mostly drain the battery fully | 20:48 |
| * thiago loves when harmattan says "Not enough charge to charge the battery" | 20:48 | |
| thiago | MohammadAG51: actually, I don't think you do. It shuts down before that. | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | not when dsmetool (as signaled by bme) shuts it down | 20:48 |
| vnepo | stskeeps: are there any new videos of meego ux? | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | nope, I shut down bme | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | beat it to the punch, if you will :P | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | vnepo: it's fairly recent, but the next weekly should be around | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | harmattan != meego though, right? | 20:49 |
| thiago | yes, harmattan is something else | 20:49 |
| kfx | nobody knows for sure | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | so why do you say harmattan ? :p | 20:49 |
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| thiago | because it's not meego, even though it's called meego | 20:50 |
| thiago | so to be precise, I say harmattan | 20:50 |
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| vnepo | oh ok cool | 20:50 |
| M3n0 | quick question: Can I use MeeGo's command line to compile and run drivers for linux that is for Meego? | 20:50 |
| CosmoHill | thiago: you walking about SmeeGol? | 20:50 |
| vnepo | has anyone here installed meego on their n900? | 20:50 |
| thiago | CosmoHill: no | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | thiago, oh, so you have maemo 6? | 20:51 |
| thiago | MohammadAG51: yes | 20:51 |
| M3n0 | @vnepo if i only had a n900 | 20:51 |
| vnepo | oh lol | 20:51 |
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| vnepo | stskeeps, what did you mean by "we're one a fixed release schedule, meego 1.1 comes out on 21-21 but its not nokia product"? | 20:52 |
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| Stskeeps | vnepo: well, go read meego.com :) we're a open source project that delivers a platform | 20:52 |
| CosmoHill | meego is a seperate entity | 20:52 |
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| vnepo | gotcha, you soudn like you work for meego | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | vnepo: http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.1 | 20:53 |
| vnepo | ok checking | 20:53 |
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| Myrtti | ambiguous English language ftw! | 20:53 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 20:53 |
| vnepo | ahhh okay | 20:54 |
| vnepo | cool | 20:54 |
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| jsjkilu_ | pine | 21:03 |
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| M3n0 | damn you broadcom and your stupid drivers | 21:21 |
| CosmoHill | M3n0: check out slaine.org | 21:21 |
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| CosmoHill | Meego 1.0 Wifi is what you want | 21:21 |
| M3n0 | ok let me see | 21:23 |
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| mode14 | !meego | 21:25 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm pretty sure you were banned | 21:25 |
| mode14 | ? | 21:25 |
| mode14 | why | 21:25 |
| auke | no, he left in a tantrum | 21:26 |
| CosmoHill | ah it was someone else who was banned | 21:26 |
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| M3n0 | I need to install meego. That's about 20 minutes, right? | 21:26 |
| CosmoHill | M3n0: no idea | 21:26 |
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| CosmoHill | not long tho | 21:26 |
| auke | on netbook, yes, less if you have a nice ssd | 21:26 |
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| M3n0 | great, all I need now is a new partition :) | 21:27 |
| * thiago didn't time his install on SSD | 21:27 | |
| auke | it's still 5 minutes or so | 21:27 |
| auke | but, significantly faster :) | 21:27 |
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| M3n0 | I'm using my ssd disk for pagefile | 21:28 |
| M3n0 | ;) | 21:28 |
| auke | ouch | 21:29 |
| auke | do you want to destroy it? | 21:29 |
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| auke | actually I'm being wrong there, nothing wrong with putting swap on SSD | 21:30 |
| M3n0 | yeah, it's workling fine over a year, and it's mighty fast | 21:31 |
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| w00t_ | auke: which is it, good or bad? :-p | 21:38 |
| auke | I have evidence or facts to confirm or not that putting swap on an SSD is a bad thing, especially if TRIM is implemented properly | 21:39 |
| auke | ewps | 21:40 |
| auke | I have NO evidence... | 21:40 |
| auke | lol | 21:40 |
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| w00t_ | I was about to say | 21:40 |
| auke | hehehe | 21:40 |
| w00t_ | you confused me even more for a sec :) | 21:40 |
| auke | in theory, with TRIM, swap sectors will be written all over the entire media | 21:40 |
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| M3n0 | isn't it easier just to test it :) | 21:46 |
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| CosmoHill | aren't current SSDs up to the same standards as a HDD? | 21:48 |
| CosmoHill | in terms of the number of writes it can do before failure | 21:48 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | anyone building/flashing Meego on their N900 with Fedora in a VBox Virtual Machine? | 21:56 |
| CosmoHill | that sounds complicated | 21:57 |
| M3n0 | CosmoHill: at sloan.org says that I have to have a wired connection on meego, but what if can't MAKE a wired connection on meego | 21:57 |
| M3n0 | it is :D | 21:57 |
| Gizmokid2005 | haha CosmoHill | 21:57 |
| CosmoHill | M3n0: you only need a wired connection to install the tools you need | 21:57 |
| Gizmokid2005 | the only problem I"m having, is I can't get my VM to keep ownership of the N900 USB connection to actually flash from the VM. | 21:58 |
| CosmoHill | you could find out what ones you need and manually download each package required to a USB | 21:58 |
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| M3n0 | When I try connecting to the internet on Meego all he gives me is wifi | 21:58 |
| CosmoHill | Gizmokid2005: I think as the N900 reboots it reconnects to USB and the computer is becoing confused by that | 21:58 |
| M3n0 | yes, that's a good idea. manual and install over an usb. thx ;) | 21:59 |
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| CosmoHill | you're basically sharing a USB device that is being removed and reconnected to the host | 21:59 |
| Gizmokid2005 | it is CosmoHill, that's the problem | 21:59 |
| Gizmokid2005 | I can't figure out a way to make the host release it and let VBox take ownership | 21:59 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | well grr...I got my N900 to boot...but my backlight isn't on...and I can't find how to get it on in Meego... | 22:04 |
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| CosmoHill | are you using the latest image? | 22:07 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | I built from daily last night | 22:08 |
| wesbluemarine | where the meego iso for tablet? | 22:08 |
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| CosmoHill | Gizmokid2005: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=757 | 22:09 |
| CosmoHill | wesbluemarine: if it's not on the front page there a final realease hasn't been made | 22:09 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | Reading CosmoHill | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | Gizmokid2005: start flasher, hold in power and then plug in usb | 22:12 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | Stskeeps: It's that simple :O | 22:12 |
| Gizmokid2005 | I could NEVER figure out how to keep the backlight on when plugging it in update mode | 22:13 |
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| * Gizmokid2005 thanks Stskeeps for his infinite knowledge once again. | 22:18 | |
| Gizmokid2005 | Just so I know Stskeeps, I did it this way this time, but do I have to hold U and the power button at the same time to get it in update mode and use the backlight? | 22:19 |
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| thiago_home | start flasher, plug USB, then power it on | 22:20 |
| thiago_home | why do you need the backlight during flashing? | 22:20 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | thiago_home: flashing the boot for Meego | 22:21 |
| Gizmokid2005 | so I don't have to wipe my N900 | 22:21 |
| thiago_home | i don't think you can use flasher to flash and not wipe fremantle | 22:21 |
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| Stskeeps | sure you can | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | there's a load kernel command | 22:22 |
| thiago_home | is that a special flash image? | 22:22 |
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| Stskeeps | no, we dd to sd card and then flasher -l -k vmlinuz -b | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | loads kernel, doesnt flash :) | 22:22 |
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| Stskeeps | (and boots) | 22:22 |
| GordonS | does someone present know OBS? I'm quite confused on how to do this... | 22:22 |
| thiago_home | ah, right | 22:23 |
| thiago_home | you're not flashing the image | 22:23 |
| GordonS | I have a package I've linked from trunk, with a patch applied to the spec file... | 22:23 |
| GordonS | and I have another package which I need to use my version, not the one from trunk | 22:23 |
| GordonS | is there a way to do that? I've even tried adding a unique "Provides" tag to my patched version, and the other package doesn't find it. | 22:24 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | Looks like Meego is coming along, even if I can't get any apps to launch. It sure looks pretty and the animation on orientation change is neat. | 22:27 |
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| Stskeeps | Gizmokid2005: let it stand for a while, first boot is always awesomely slow | 22:28 |
| Gizmokid2005 | Oh no, it's all booted. I can view the apps and see the animations. I can get the phone app to launch, as well as the Qt examples | 22:29 |
| Gizmokid2005 | "utilities"? also launches, but it seems to be not connected to anything. It looks like actual code names instead of real names for the buttons. | 22:29 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | it's definitely looking purty though | 22:31 |
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