| lbt | you know that you could build any:b against x ? | 00:00 |
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| lbt | doesn't have to be x:y to build against x | 00:00 |
| sivu | yep | 00:00 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: The founder of Acorn :-p | 00:00 |
| sivu | but the subprojects are organized in that way because its logical | 00:00 |
| lbt | also you know you can have multiple <path> entries | 00:00 |
| Jaffa | lbt: _In Business_ dealing with the "fifth wave" of computing (network/mobile/cloud) and how ARM/Cambridge/Britain is surprisingly strong. | 00:01 |
| lbt | on iplayer? | 00:01 |
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| sivu | lbt, yeah i will need to use it soon | 00:09 |
| sivu | but i tried to create a project layout that is straightforward | 00:09 |
| lbt | mmm | 00:10 |
| * lbt gives you 4/10 | 00:10 | |
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| sivu | :( | 00:14 |
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| th0br0 | bye | 00:15 |
| CosmoHill | cyas | 00:15 |
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| b-man` | ali1234: should i just flashed my combined.bin image straight from flasher-3.5? | 00:53 |
| b-man` | *flash | 00:53 |
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| b-man` | nvm | 00:57 |
| ali1234 | yes | 00:59 |
| ali1234 | you can test it with -l first, same as with a kernel | 01:00 |
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| b-man` | u-boot works like a charm :) | 01:11 |
| b-man` | and i can confirm that u-boot does not handle all watchdogs as it rebooted after about 10-15 sec in u-boots command prompt | 01:12 |
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| ali1234 | yeah, figures | 01:15 |
| ali1234 | i think NOLO turns on a watchdog that isn't on by default, thus u-boot doesn't know to handle it | 01:16 |
| ali1234 | if you want to spend a long time in command line, turn on rd mode, and set the watchdog flags | 01:16 |
| ali1234 | uploaded the builder.py with some improvements and a precompiled u-boot.bin | 01:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | ali1234, you ported u-boot? | 01:18 |
| ali1234 | yes | 01:18 |
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| ali1234 | http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/maemo/u-boot/ | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | apologies for calling you a troll then :P | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | yes, seen that | 01:19 |
| ali1234 | heh, no problem, i probably would not have done it if you hadn't :) | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 01:21 |
| smoku | any ideas what to do with: | 01:23 |
| smoku | drivers/media/video/msm/msm_vfe8x.c:481: error: the frame size of 1784 bytes is larger than 1024 bytes ? | 01:23 |
| b-man` | lol | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | ooh | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | so that's a kernel bug | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | smoku, lower res | 01:24 |
| smoku | don't follow | 01:24 |
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| MohammadAG51 | maximum res allowed is 800x480, lower it to that? | 01:25 |
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| MohammadAG51 | oh, thought this was #maemo-devel, sorry | 01:27 |
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| CosmoHill | you will be | 01:28 |
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| Texrat | hey Venemo | 01:33 |
| Texrat | hey CosmoHill, MohammadAG51 | 01:33 |
| Venemo | hey Texrat :) | 01:33 |
| Venemo | what's up? | 01:34 |
| CosmoHill | hello | 01:34 |
| Texrat | just checking in | 01:34 |
| Texrat | doing some meego wiki work | 01:34 |
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| b-man` | hello Texrat :) | 01:34 |
| Texrat | hey b-man | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | hey Texrat! | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | haven't seen you around since... jan? :P | 01:35 |
| CosmoHill | this channel was started in feb | 01:36 |
| Venemo | :D | 01:36 |
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| MohammadAG51 | CosmoHill, i joined #maemo in Jan :) | 01:36 |
| CosmoHill | I join #meego within hours | 01:37 |
| Texrat | MohammadAG51 I'm usually here during Europe time ;) | 01:39 |
| CosmoHill | I'm here in Cosmo time | 01:39 |
| johnx | Texrat, you're EUrat now? | 01:39 |
| Kubuntiac | CosmoHill: Deep... Very deep! :P | 01:39 |
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| Texrat | johnx no, but I have to do these stupid weekend change migration conferences, and waste time on IRC when nothing is happening | 01:41 |
| Texrat | so how is everyone? | 01:41 |
| CosmoHill | alive and productives | 01:41 |
| b-man` | working on nitdebian, fixing a dsme bug :) | 01:42 |
| johnx | awake, but not caffeinated yet. | 01:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | Started school 13 days ago, not as active as I used to be :( | 01:43 |
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| johnx | everyone goes through waves of that I think | 01:43 |
| CosmoHill | MohammadAG51: how old are you? | 01:44 |
| Texrat | so who is planning to attend MeeGo conference 2010? | 01:44 |
| johnx | when I had a non-tech job I practically lived in maemo-land when not at work | 01:44 |
| b-man` | MohammadAG51: didn't you recently turn 17? | 01:45 |
| CosmoHill | I found out about port 8000 so I might be in here more than I could before at uni | 01:46 |
| johnx | or just get a shell account somewhere ;) | 01:46 |
| CosmoHill | no I like all my IRC and MSN logs to be in once place | 01:47 |
| ali1234 | freenode has a ssl port too on 7000 too | 01:48 |
| ali1234 | handy if your mobile operator blocks irc with dpi | 01:48 |
| CosmoHill | cool | 01:50 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG51: what school? | 01:50 |
| CosmoHill | just need to find out the ports for the other servers | 01:50 |
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| jaem | Is there a guide somewhere for getting MADDE up and running from GIT? I managed to get it to build, but I'm still running into issues, and I can't find any documentation aside from the README | 01:52 |
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| CosmoHill | Texrat: how's the forums? | 02:15 |
| lcuk | jaem, eep | 02:16 |
| Texrat | what do you mean CosmoHill? | 02:18 |
| jaem | lcuk: I suppose it's still classified as a Tech Preview, but instructions that say "to build this, you'll need to manually download a bunch of obscure files, some of which may only be mentioned in a forum post after someone asked" aren't very helpful. | 02:18 |
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| lcuk | jaem, of course | 02:18 |
| lcuk | Texrat, | 02:19 |
| CosmoHill | Texrat: you're on the forums a lot more than I am | 02:19 |
| jaem | lcuk: Hmm.. it may have magically worked. | 02:21 |
| Texrat | lcuk | 02:21 |
| Texrat | CosmoHill you meen meego or maemo? | 02:21 |
| CosmoHill | meego | 02:21 |
| Texrat | CosmoHill meego forum is slowly becoming human ;) | 02:21 |
| jaem | Texrat: as opposed to...? | 02:22 |
| CosmoHill | yay mood swings? | 02:22 |
| Texrat | jaem as opposed to cold and impersonal, as it started | 02:23 |
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| Texrat | meego has not been as welcoming as maemo, but then, it took us 5 years to build maemo,org to whee it is | 02:23 |
| Texrat | where* | 02:24 |
| jaem | True. That's good to here. The wiki still seems to be a bit of a mess, but hopefully things are rolling along. | 02:24 |
| jaem | hear* | 02:24 |
| CosmoHill | I've rawrly been on the forum | 02:25 |
| CosmoHill | I blame Qgil for me being on there at all | 02:25 |
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| lcuk | Texrat, :) meego has had a lot more to get upto speed with | 02:40 |
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| Texrat | understood lcuk | 02:44 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 02:56 |
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| microlith | geh, qemu is so slow | 02:58 |
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| microlith | wtb 64-bit builds of the dev tools :( | 08:17 |
| sofar | why? | 08:18 |
| microlith | because that's what my linux install is | 08:18 |
| sofar | meego is a 32bit OS | 08:18 |
| microlith | I don't mean x86-64 target | 08:18 |
| microlith | I mean host | 08:18 |
| sofar | still | 08:18 |
| sofar | your distro doesn't support 32bit userland? | 08:19 |
| microlith | the meego-dev-env installer refuses to run on 64-bit systems | 08:19 |
| microlith | it actively checks and quits | 08:19 |
| sofar | you can attempt to file a bugzilla | 08:20 |
| microlith | probably should | 08:20 |
| sofar | but if your distro is lacking 32bit support I'll make sure nobody wastes their time on it | 08:20 |
| sofar | ;) | 08:20 |
| microlith | it's ubuntu | 08:20 |
| microlith | so it undoubtedly does | 08:20 |
| sofar | still, there are too many other bugs that need fixing first | 08:21 |
| sofar | like mic2 | 08:21 |
| microlith | indeed | 08:21 |
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| c|oneman | wooo | 08:33 |
| c|oneman | got meego on 10v | 08:33 |
| Kubuntiac | \o/ | 08:33 |
| c|oneman | dell mini 10v. That was easy | 08:33 |
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| sofar | now to get wireless working | 08:34 |
| c|oneman | lol yeah I dunno how | 08:34 |
| c|oneman | im installing updates | 08:34 |
| sofar | sorry, broadcom wireless I think | 08:34 |
| Kubuntiac | "May Broadcom be with You"... | 08:34 |
| sofar | just wait until the new driver is merged | 08:34 |
| c|oneman | its 'dell wireless' which is guess is broadcom? | 08:34 |
| Kubuntiac | Mmmmm.... FOSS Wireless N Broadcom Driiiiiverrrr.... :) | 08:34 |
| sofar | firmware got posted saturday, we may actually have a driver soon | 08:34 |
| Kubuntiac | All my Dells are broadcom | 08:35 |
| Kubuntiac | sweeeeeeeeet | 08:35 |
| c|oneman | i usually upgrade to intel when I buy my dells | 08:35 |
| sofar | now people, we don't expect a cheapie-vendor like dell to ship high-quality wireless eh? | 08:35 |
| sofar | just kidding | 08:35 |
| c|oneman | dell is a cheapie vendor> | 08:35 |
| c|oneman | ? | 08:35 |
| c|oneman | who is a better one lol | 08:35 |
| sofar | and yeah, I always upgrade my wireless modules too whenever I can | 08:36 |
| sofar | sadly, with netbooks, it's almost never possible | 08:36 |
| c|oneman | i didnt pay 20$ for the n-version | 08:36 |
| c|oneman | maybe that was a mistake | 08:36 |
| sofar | over 500$ for a lenovo s10-3t and stuck with broadcom wireless :/ | 08:36 |
| Kubuntiac | I've avoided N, waiting until I knew it would be well supported... | 08:36 |
| c|oneman | does meego run on intel HD graphics (core i5?) | 08:37 |
| Kubuntiac | Looks like that might happen sooner rather than later! | 08:37 |
| Kubuntiac | (Although I'm still waiting for FOSS GLSL on my ATI RAdeon HD4850) | 08:37 |
| c|oneman | wow theres a lot of updates | 08:37 |
| sofar | c|oneman: yes, i5 gfx is fully supported | 08:38 |
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| c|oneman | is google pitching in for chrome on this os | 08:39 |
| c|oneman | like, are they helping | 08:39 |
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| sofar | what do you think? | 08:41 |
| c|oneman | um. no? | 08:41 |
| c|oneman | it competes with android | 08:42 |
| Kubuntiac | I'd bet they're not. I don't know though. My bet is they're just providing the browser and MeeGo is using it... | 08:42 |
| c|oneman | the touchpad on the 10v is so terrible | 08:43 |
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| johnx | c|oneman: did you already turn off the touch sensitivity of the 'button' area? | 08:46 |
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| c|oneman | I would love to know how | 08:47 |
| c|oneman | I was thinking of putting some rubber there :/ | 08:47 |
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| c|oneman | johnx any advice? | 08:51 |
| johnx | c|oneman: here's the bug from ubuntu with patches: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/402863 | 08:51 |
| johnx | I know that when I set mine up, I actually had to tweak things in the xorg.conf, though maybe that's unnecessary these days? | 08:51 |
| c|oneman | iirc it sucks even when setup correctly, just not quite as much | 08:52 |
| c|oneman | in windows that is. | 08:52 |
| johnx | well, in linux it was basically impossible to drag and drop until I applied the patch and disabled part of the touchpad are that was over the 'buttons' | 08:55 |
| c|oneman | on guy ordered a mini10 touchpad and modded it to fit in the 10v | 08:57 |
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| c|oneman | his pics arent clear though, its a wierd mod | 08:57 |
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| johnx | more info here: http://linuxcentre.net/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Karmic_Koala_on_the_Dell_Mini_10v_Netbook#Make_the_Touchpad_Usable | 08:58 |
| johnx | that might actually be what I modified, not the xorg.conf | 08:59 |
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| theplic | im from india. can i really do anything worth volunteering for the upcoming conference? | 09:02 |
| sofar | perhaps, never hurts to volunteer wherever you are | 09:03 |
| sofar | are you coming to the conference? | 09:04 |
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| c|oneman | so what languages should I learn to join the meego app gold rush | 09:05 |
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| w00t_ | C++ is the best bet for now, python is a possibility but I'm still not sure it's been packaged | 09:06 |
| chriadam | http://meego.com/developers/meego-api | 09:06 |
| w00t_ | ah, and WRT | 09:06 |
| w00t_ | I always forget about it | 09:06 |
| thiago_home | so JS | 09:06 |
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| sofar | c++ | 09:06 |
| w00t_ | moin thiago_home btw :) | 09:07 |
| sofar | definately do not write python applications if you don't have to | 09:07 |
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| c|oneman | what does Qt have to do with this? | 09:08 |
| sofar | the MeeGo UI API is Qt based | 09:09 |
| sofar | so, in order to make a properly integrated MeeGo handset app, you need to write it in Qt | 09:09 |
| c|oneman | I assume thats an easier language than C++, right? | 09:09 |
| Bostik | it's still C++ | 09:11 |
| sofar | Qt == C++ | 09:11 |
| sofar | Qt is a GUI API in C++ | 09:11 |
| c|oneman | oic | 09:11 |
| maxamillion | are there by any plans to allow for other languages that have Qt bindings? | 09:11 |
| maxamillion | like ... python? | 09:11 |
| Bostik | just like Boost is C++, but adds a metric buttload of things you can do | 09:11 |
| sofar | no, we want to disccourage people from adding inefficiencient layers that are not needed :) | 09:12 |
| sofar | one person wants to write a ruby app | 09:12 |
| sofar | another one a perll-Qt app | 09:12 |
| sofar | another one a python app | 09:12 |
| sofar | soon meego will suck because we have 25 runtime layers loaded | 09:12 |
| maxamillion | fair enough | 09:13 |
| maxamillion | I just can't stand C++ but I'm really excited about MeeGo | 09:13 |
| sofar | your phone will become very hot in your pants :) | 09:13 |
| maxamillion | heh ... yeah | 09:13 |
| rhodope | not like C++ is masturbating with a cheesegrater type of difficulty in writing apps.... | 09:14 |
| sofar | well | 09:14 |
| sofar | Qt actually makes it easy | 09:14 |
| maxamillion | right, but here's the bit ... if I'm going to code in my free time, I want it to be fun and I just can't bring myself to find C++ fun | 09:14 |
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| sofar | there's not much C++ you need to know to make a basic Qt app MeeGo style | 09:15 |
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| zr0 | maxamillion: then go write java for android | 09:15 |
| maxamillion | zr0: nope, also not fun | 09:15 |
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| sofar | hehe | 09:15 |
| sofar | work == no fun | 09:16 |
| maxamillion | bingo | 09:16 |
| maxamillion | meh | 09:16 |
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| thiago_home | maxamillion: Qt really does make C++ easy | 09:16 |
| thiago_home | give it a try | 09:16 |
| thiago_home | if you don't find it fun, then try Web Runtime | 09:16 |
| maxamillion | I suppose I will give it a shot some time | 09:17 |
| maxamillion | any recommended docs? | 09:17 |
| sofar | google for meego sdk | 09:17 |
| timakima | i didn't like c++ before (was a c coder), but now i seem to like it because of qt | 09:17 |
| maxamillion | is meego sdk different from Qt in any way or just a sdk implemented in Qt? | 09:17 |
| sofar | well | 09:18 |
| maxamillion | errrr api* | 09:18 |
| sofar | technically a MeeGo application is meegotouch framework | 09:18 |
| maxamillion | oh | 09:18 |
| c|oneman | lol my 10v id getting rly hot | 09:18 |
| sofar | that's based on Qt, with some extra fluff and zing | 09:18 |
| c|oneman | meego knows how to use atom properly, unlike windows I presume | 09:19 |
| sofar | meegotouch framework == MTF | 09:19 |
| c|oneman | i can run flash 480p rather nicely | 09:19 |
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| c|oneman | also not doable on windows | 09:19 |
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| thiago_home | c|oneman: that has nothing to do with MeeGo though | 09:20 |
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| c|oneman | eh? | 09:22 |
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| fabiomssilva | Hi all :) | 10:08 |
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| lbt | Anaz | 11:09 |
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| Myrtti_ | kyb3R: ohai | 11:13 |
| Myrtti_ | kyb3R: got my mail? | 11:13 |
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| kyb3R | Myrtti_: yep, most unfortunate | 11:26 |
| kyb3R | I will call Suvi about this | 11:26 |
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| Myrtti_ | kyb3R: great | 11:27 |
| petteri | ? | 11:28 |
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| Myrtti_ | kyb3R: right after you've called, you could send a message on the mailinglist/discussion forumS about the possible change | 11:28 |
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| kyb3R | Myrtti_: will do. I would still prefer to hold the meeting in Demola, during another day if nothing else | 11:31 |
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| petteri | the discussion is quite hard to follow | 11:32 |
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| Myrtti_ | petteri: mix up with dates of Tampere Meetup, there isn't really much to tell before we know more | 11:34 |
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| petteri | ok | 11:36 |
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| Guest84060 | after zypper dup, meego-simulator-launcher-handset removed and startmeego disspear :( | 11:44 |
| kyb3R | Myrtti_: no panic. Most likely both meetings can be held there as planned. Suvi will confirm it today ASAP. | 11:46 |
| Myrtti_ | good good | 11:47 |
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| ArkAnGiCIA | HellOlAloHallOhayo.. I HI.. | 11:52 |
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| ekrem__ | after zypper dup, meego-simulator-launcher-handset removed and startmeego disspear :( | 11:59 |
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| javiF | ekrem__: I noticed the same | 12:11 |
| javiF | try to install it from http://download.meego.com/live/home:/KevinWang:/ToolsSDK/Trunk/i586/ | 12:11 |
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| ArkAnGiCIA | sorry for french : LES FRANCAIS SE CROIENT SEULS AU MONDE PEUT ETRE ? mais ils sont mabouls dans leurs tetes ils cherchent quoi encore comme merde ces batards ? | 12:22 |
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| ekrem__ | javiF: thanks for reply, I removed image and extract a new one | 12:43 |
| ekrem__ | I think old one kind of broken, after I exit and chroot again I noticed hostname also different | 12:43 |
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| CosmoHill | hello | 13:00 |
| lcuk | thiago, \o have a pleasant journey and I hope your presentation goes smoothly | 13:02 |
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| ekrem__ | qtcreator.bin: cannot connect to X server :0.0 | 13:06 |
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| X-Fade | ekrem__: Start it from within X, not from commandline outside? | 13:08 |
| fabiomssilva | ekrem__: are you using qemu or chroot ? | 13:08 |
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| fabiomssilva | try: xhost + | 13:09 |
| ekrem__ | chroot | 13:09 |
| fabiomssilva | this will give you permission to all the clients to connect. Can be a security issue if you are in a big network. | 13:09 |
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| ekrem__ | cool, xhost + helped | 13:10 |
| ekrem__ | thank you guys | 13:11 |
| fabiomssilva | :) if you want to do it properly use: xhost +SI:localuser:<user_name> | 13:11 |
| fabiomssilva | this will give you permission to your username to use the XServer | 13:11 |
| ekrem__ | I think I have done this | 13:12 |
| ekrem__ | I have root and ekrem user on my host | 13:12 |
| ekrem__ | I added ekrem to xhost | 13:12 |
| fabiomssilva | are you in a big network ? :) | 13:13 |
| ekrem__ | should I actually add root since I see meego sdk is running as root? | 13:13 |
| ekrem__ | yeah, I am in big network | 13:14 |
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| ekrem__ | I will try to add root next time I restarted | 13:14 |
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| fabiomssilva | when we call the chroot script we are doing it as root. Maybe that is the right one to add. But I am not sure ! | 13:15 |
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| fabiomssilva | let me know :) | 13:15 |
| ekrem__ | sure I will | 13:16 |
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| Myrtti_ | cheese toasties ♥ | 13:43 |
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| CosmoHill | yay | 13:55 |
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| Myrtti_ | I was thinking of starting a thread on the forums about how to encourage developers to create and develop applications requested by the community | 14:44 |
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| jacekowski | Myrtti_: pay them | 14:55 |
| jacekowski | Myrtti_: developer ussualy do something for profit | 14:55 |
| jacekowski | Myrtti_: it's either financial profit or they need certain app | 14:55 |
| kyb3R | it's common that app development starts from 'scratching someones itch'. | 14:57 |
| Myrtti_ | jacekowski: unsurprisingly, that was what I was thinking | 14:57 |
| Myrtti_ | jacekowski: was thinking of starting a discussion about application bounty funds | 14:58 |
| CosmoHill | maybe if the community posts a list of apps they'd like, there might be a developer who wants the same thing | 14:58 |
| kyb3R | CosmoHill: my thoughts as well | 14:58 |
| CosmoHill | they see the app on the wanted list and think "actually that would be useful to me" and start developing | 14:58 |
| Myrtti_ | having just a list isn't going to do it for everything, as we all know | 14:59 |
| kyb3R | to usual OSS development process | 14:59 |
| kyb3R | s/to/the/ | 14:59 |
| infobot | kyb3R meant: the usual OSS development process | 14:59 |
| kyb3R | if an app is needed, it will find developers | 15:00 |
| kyb3R | IMO | 15:00 |
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| Myrtti_ | I begged, prayed and tried to bribe people to develop some apps for the Maemo platform that I would have needed, which would have used the features of the touch interface, and yet, nobody did it. | 15:00 |
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| CosmoHill | or if there is potental to make money from the app | 15:00 |
| Myrtti_ | and I did this starting from 2007 or so. | 15:00 |
| Myrtti_ | funny thing is that such app is there now for Android. | 15:02 |
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| Myrtti_ | with varying values of "funny" | 15:02 |
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| kyb3R | it is not incommon that the needs of the public and developers do not meet, but still I'm a bit suspicious about usign monetary awards | 15:03 |
| kyb3R | might work in short run and in some cases though | 15:04 |
| CosmoHill | s/incommon/uncommon/ | 15:04 |
| kyb3R | uups | 15:04 |
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| Myrtti_ | kyb3R: I tried bribery by woollen handknit socks. | 15:04 |
| Myrtti_ | didn't work. | 15:04 |
| CosmoHill | I just wanted to see if info bot's sed worked on other people | 15:04 |
| kyb3R | Myrtti_: :) | 15:04 |
| bunk | kyb3R: like GSoC | 15:04 |
| Myrtti_ | (FYI: http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.jschroeder.lknitter) | 15:04 |
| frals | Myrtti_: what kind of apps was this? | 15:04 |
| Myrtti_ | frals: ^ | 15:05 |
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| frals | alright | 15:06 |
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| Myrtti_ | Xournal was a good replacement of some of the features on <= diablo | 15:07 |
| CosmoHill | funny, none of my text messages seem to be in my ovi suite | 15:07 |
| CosmoHill | and my funny, i mean dammit | 15:07 |
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| Myrtti_ | my offer still stands, btw. If someone makes an app like that for Maemo5/Meego (tablet/phone/netbook), I'll knit them woolly socks. I don't have anything that I could run that software on, but out of principle the offer still stands. | 15:11 |
| * CosmoHill seethes | 15:11 | |
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| CosmoHill | fuuuuuu...my messages never synced | 15:12 |
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| kyb3R | Myrtti_: you could bring up those ideas in our local meetings as well | 15:13 |
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| lbt | Myrtti_: the good news is that my wife wants an app like that... | 15:28 |
| lbt | I'm still behind on the 'tap stitch counter' | 15:29 |
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| CosmoHill | tap stitch counter? | 15:32 |
| CosmoHill | knitting? | 15:32 |
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| kyb3R | punch of club-mate bottles as reward might work too ;) | 15:37 |
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| CosmoHill | how about beerware? | 15:37 |
| kyb3R | nope | 15:38 |
| kyb3R | not here at least | 15:38 |
| CosmoHill | "there will be a version 2 as soon as a sober up" | 15:38 |
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| Mat_Matan | Hi | 15:39 |
| CosmoHill | hello | 15:39 |
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| Myrtti_ | lbt: http://myrtti.fi/blog/2009/12/10/dear-santa/ has something in the comments :-P | 15:45 |
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| luist | mbatle: heey any news? :) | 15:47 |
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| mbatle | hi luist, yes, I tried, but I cannot reproduce it | 15:51 |
| luist | mbatle: :( | 15:51 |
| mbatle | luist, I did lots of installs and removes and all of them were working fine | 15:52 |
| luist | mbatle: it used to happen more often when i wait some minutes between 2 installs | 15:53 |
| luist | mbatle: instead of installing all at once | 15:54 |
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| mbatle | mmm, ok | 15:54 |
| mbatle | luist, did you try in native meego or chroot sdk ? | 15:54 |
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| luist | mbatle: my meego has few customizations... | 16:07 |
| mbatle | ok | 16:07 |
| luist | mbatle: but since the bug was reported when using the native i think its not because of that | 16:08 |
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| mbatle | 1.1 version has better support and error tracking | 16:12 |
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| luist | mbatle: ok guess ill have to customize 1.1 :) | 16:17 |
| luist | mbatle: got a src.rpm of them? | 16:17 |
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| mbatle | luist, there is no official release I think | 16:20 |
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| kyb3R | Myrtti: nothing (almost) has changed. Tampere meeting is 21.9.2010 18:00-> at Protomo (same building and floor as Demola). I will update the meeting details to meetup.com | 17:10 |
| Myrtti | kyb3R: good to hear | 17:12 |
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| Myrtti | hm. something is amiss here... | 17:14 |
| Myrtti | oh right. I'm still in my dressing gown and have eaten only breakfast. | 17:14 |
| CosmoHill | I was gonna suggest a lack of trousers | 17:14 |
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| CosmoHill | when using qmake, is there a way to change the default -arch ? | 17:46 |
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| CosmoHill | any way to get a 360 controller to interface with Qt? | 18:03 |
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| aladds | CosmoHill, isn't the 360 controller just HID? | 18:21 |
| CosmoHill | yeah should be | 18:22 |
| Mat_Matan | x360 game pad isn't hid | 18:22 |
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| GAN900 | Need a driver. | 18:23 |
| aladds | It's not bluetooth, I know that much | 18:23 |
| CosmoHill | mine is USB | 18:23 |
| aladds | you'd need the USB cable or USB wireless adaptor | 18:23 |
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| CosmoHill | oh dear, playing RoR I've managed to rip the cab off a lorry | 18:26 |
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| VenemoN900 | hi meegoists! | 19:27 |
| * microlith waves | 19:27 | |
| microlith | urgh, installing fedora 13 on a macbook is not fu :( | 19:28 |
| microlith | fun* | 19:28 |
| VenemoN900 | microlith: why not? | 19:28 |
| microlith | well, first there's the EFI nonsense | 19:28 |
| microlith | then there's the fact that it's fedora | 19:29 |
| * microlith isn't a redhat fan | 19:29 | |
| VenemoN900 | EFI=? | 19:29 |
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| VenemoN900 | Imo Fedora is one of the most tolerable Linux distros | 19:30 |
| smoku | microlith, don't you have VirtualBox on Mac? | 19:30 |
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| jedlhl | hi guys simple question, this release schedule as also talking about arm-meego too right? | 19:33 |
| jedlhl | http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.1 | 19:33 |
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| VenemoN900 | jedlhl: my guess, yes | 19:34 |
| microlith | VenemoN900: EFI = bios replacement, and redhat made me hate using linux | 19:34 |
| jedlhl | someone is claiming it's: "vanilla meego only, not *harmatten-meego*" i have a sneaking suspicion they've no idea what they're talking about | 19:35 |
| microlith | smoku: I do, but the macbook doesn't have the power to make using virtualbox worthwhile | 19:35 |
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| microlith | but alas, I am downloading the x86 fedora 13 DVD, and will try installing from that | 19:35 |
| bef0rd | harmattan meego is refered as the 'nokia meego' I believe | 19:36 |
| microlith | ubuntu worked fine from the live CD, but there are so many rpm-only packages it makes life hard | 19:36 |
| bef0rd | for the next nseries device | 19:36 |
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| smoku | microlith, pity. I am perfectly able to run Fedora chroot under Ubuntu without any performance penalty ;-) | 19:42 |
| GAN900 | bef0rd, it's what used to be Maemo 6. | 19:42 |
| microlith | chroot is one thing | 19:42 |
| microlith | heh | 19:42 |
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| smoku | jedlhl, you may think of Harmattan as Maemo6 + MeeGo compatibility layer | 19:43 |
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| smoku | jedlhl, it's not "real" MeeGo. it's only compatible | 19:44 |
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| jedlhl | right but there will be meego 1.1 release for arv71 (n900) at the same time as there's meego 1.1 for other patofrms, as evidence by this plan right? | 19:46 |
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| smoku | jedlhl, yes, but this is vanilla meego, not harmattan-meego ;-) | 19:50 |
| jedlhl | they're claming that this release plan cannot be used as a rough guide for the next release of meego for armv71 | 19:50 |
| ColKilkenny | you're talking about mobile-review. and they're not claiming that | 19:51 |
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| jedlhl | absolutely they are | 19:52 |
| smoku | jedlhl, finished 1.1 is just this - milestone reached. whether someone makes an effort and integrate it on the real device - it's another story | 19:53 |
| ColKilkenny | no, they (or he) just said that vanilla meego is a different thing than nokia's harmattan-meego | 19:53 |
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| jedlhl | no he claimed that harmatten-meego will come way after vanilla meego for armv71 | 19:56 |
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| ColKilkenny | he said that harmattan-meego is way further. and meant that harmattan-meego is more ready than normal meego | 19:58 |
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| jedlhl | huh? typo? i think you got that the wring way around.... | 20:00 |
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| ColKilkenny | nope. he said originally that harmattan-meego has very little to do with vanilla-meego roadmap. and the point was that harmattan may be much more complete than vanilla meego at this point. | 20:06 |
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| ColKilkenny | but perhaps I'll stay out of this.. mobile-review is nowadays irritating place anyways. moderators act like trolls etc. | 20:07 |
| jedlhl | oh i think i may have missed that point, i came in on the tail end.... | 20:09 |
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| Venemo | hi again | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | hi hi | 21:02 |
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| Venemo | so what's up with MeeGo lately? | 21:48 |
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| arfoll | has anyone here managed to get wake on lan working on a joggler? | 21:58 |
| * CosmoHill offers Venemo some tumble weed | 21:58 | |
| Venemo | CosmoHill: lol :) | 21:58 |
| Venemo | what I'm really curious about is this: can MeeGo make phone calls on the N900? :) | 21:59 |
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| arfoll | venemo, if it works anything like as well as on an aava phone - no way! | 22:00 |
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| CosmoHill | lol | 22:01 |
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| vgrade | arfoll, not sure about WOL with the Joggler not having a proper mac for the wired port | 22:02 |
| arfoll | arfoll, yeah that's what I was thinking, the ethernet card does report the capabilities though - ethtool reports 'g' | 22:03 |
| Venemo | arfoll: what do you mean? | 22:03 |
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| arfoll | ethtool can tell you what features your ethernet card can support | 22:04 |
| arfoll | g means it can do WOL | 22:04 |
| arfoll | what about WOL from a USB wifi card? | 22:05 |
| vgrade | arfoll, not sure about wifi , only ever done it via wired, | 22:05 |
| arfoll | same... I guess I'll have to try | 22:06 |
| vgrade | the WOL packet can contain a mac or a broadcast mac so if your on a local net wired might work with a boadcast mac | 22:06 |
| vgrade | AVX, the new SSSE3? | 22:07 |
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| CosmoHill | isn't the problem with doing WOL with wifi is that wifi cards are often powered off with the computer | 22:10 |
| CosmoHill | were as wired NICs are still supplied with power | 22:10 |
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| arfoll | CosmoHill, yeah it does sounds like it might be a problem | 22:11 |
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| CosmoHill | would a wake timer be better suited to your needs? | 22:16 |
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| arfoll | CosmoHill, nah not really- I want to be able to use it to watch TV while cooking. Turn it on from the phone and off again | 22:21 |
| Cosmo[PB] | take that me! | 22:21 |
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| VLJ | hi | 22:33 |
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| VLJ | I can run Meego on a computer with no sse3 extension at all... | 22:33 |
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| VLJ | in init 3 mode | 22:33 |
| VLJ | and it crashes at shutdown | 22:33 |
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| CosmoHill | how do you shut down the computer? | 22:37 |
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| CosmoHill | command line or power button? | 22:37 |
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| CosmoHill | VLJ: http://black-flag.co.uk/files/meego-on-p4.jpg | 22:38 |
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| VLJ | CosmoHill: just "poweroff" | 22:57 |
| VLJ | in a command line | 22:57 |
| CosmoHill | bbl, getting mac | 22:57 |
| VLJ | bbl ? | 22:58 |
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| VLJ | CosmoHill: you can have meego ux or...? | 22:58 |
| MostafaDaneshvar | does meego support ext4? | 22:58 |
| VLJ | no | 22:58 |
| VLJ | but your ext4 supporting distribution likely support btrfs | 22:59 |
| CosmoHill | what the hell is <Security-Defensi> ? | 22:59 |
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| MostafaDaneshvar | so is there any way to mount ext4 ? | 22:59 |
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| VLJ | MostafaDaneshvar: building ext 4 as kernel module | 23:00 |
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| VLJ | CosmoHill: where ? | 23:00 |
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| VLJ | lbt lbt2 : you were interested in non sse 3 support or ? | 23:04 |
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| lbt | VLJ: heh... laptop was on | 23:05 |
| lbt | but yes. | 23:05 |
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| VLJ | can you make a list of what does not work on non sse3 computer ? | 23:05 |
| VLJ | for most part it works | 23:06 |
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| VLJ | (beside the fact that amd/old intel processor does not come with a supported intel gfx) | 23:06 |
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| lbt | VLJ: tbh... I'm seeing that people are making a start | 23:07 |
| lbt | when we get the community OBS we can see about a build target there | 23:07 |
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| lbt | for now I'm putting *all* my spare energy into that.... | 23:08 |
| VLJ | lbt : but as far as I can see, there was almost no issue with non sse3 cpu | 23:08 |
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| VLJ | it boots, it shows a command lines, and even a X with xterm and xclock | 23:08 |
| lbt | VLJ: yeah... a glibc patch | 23:08 |
| lbt | which... ironically enough... would never be accepted upstream :D | 23:09 |
| VLJ | in upstream ? | 23:09 |
| VLJ | well I used the official meego image | 23:09 |
| VLJ | and it worked quite nice in an old P4 processor with sse...2 support | 23:10 |
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| VLJ | there was just a core dump when powering off | 23:10 |
| VLJ | I had no glibc patch at all | 23:10 |
| lbt | I've been more interested in the principle of it.... we were told ages ago that the crashes people saw were ssse3 caused | 23:10 |
| lbt | so I've had zero interest in trying to run it on my AMD systems | 23:10 |
| VLJ | maybe it was not | 23:10 |
| RST38h | lbt: were they? | 23:10 |
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| lbt | yeah.. that would suck a bit | 23:11 |
| VLJ | maybe you should | 23:11 |
| VLJ | I mean, there is tons of reason to make Meego not work | 23:11 |
| VLJ | the most important of it : not compatible gfx drivers | 23:11 |
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| lbt | well.... like I say... life will be *so* much easier for everyone with this OBS up | 23:11 |
| VLJ | I hope so ;) | 23:11 |
| lbt | we can put in the non-intel gfx too | 23:12 |
| VLJ | will it be on meego.com or obs.maemo.org ? | 23:12 |
| lbt | again, funnily, the AMD code but not nvidia :) | 23:12 |
| lbt | meego.com | 23:12 |
| VLJ | ok | 23:12 |
| * RST38h would find it troubling if one could only "make world" using a specialized remote build system | 23:12 | |
| lbt | RST38h: well. kinda | 23:12 |
| lbt | we have no "make world" | 23:12 |
| lbt | other than the OBS | 23:12 |
| lbt | but each package can be "make"ed | 23:13 |
| RST38h | that is what feels pretty troubling | 23:13 |
| RST38h | make world will make every required package in turn | 23:13 |
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| VLJ | lbt : will you ship package from trunk in obs.meego.com ? | 23:14 |
| lbt | yeah... but we have a "make world"... | 23:14 |
| VLJ | on obs.maemo.org there is no Meego 1.0 core package | 23:14 |
| lbt | we have that | 23:14 |
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| VLJ | you can build against Meego 1.0 core | 23:14 |
| lbt | yes | 23:14 |
| VLJ | but obs.maemo.org does not supply source for them | 23:14 |
| lbt | I feel the community OBS will support apps + surrounds against many releases for a long time | 23:15 |
| lbt | hmm | 23:15 |
| VLJ | you cannot branch Meego 1.0 package | 23:15 |
| lbt | no, we can't | 23:15 |
| lbt | and we're not planning on that either | 23:15 |
| VLJ | :/ | 23:15 |
| lbt | community is for building *against* meego | 23:15 |
| lbt | *but* | 23:15 |
| lbt | nothing stops you from taking any meego core app src and building it yourself | 23:16 |
| VLJ | and to provide patch for better compatibility ;) | 23:16 |
| VLJ | I already did | 23:16 |
| VLJ | but my packages are not automaticaly updated with latest upstream version of package | 23:16 |
| lbt | but.... | 23:16 |
| lbt | 1.0 will never update | 23:17 |
| VLJ | a minor flaw | 23:17 |
| VLJ | yep but Meego current will ;) | 23:17 |
| lbt | I've seen no discussion on security releases | 23:17 |
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| lbt | ah, now current is different | 23:17 |
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| lbt | we'll provide current-snap and current-1w | 23:17 |
| lbt | not a Live link (too noisy for our resource level today) | 23:18 |
| VLJ | nice | 23:18 |
| VLJ | ok | 23:18 |
| lbt | X-Fade was doing some work on project setup today actually | 23:18 |
| lbt | I'm sure there's a page on the public wiki he'll have updated .... <evil grin> | 23:19 |
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| CosmoHill | VLJ: some random person who contacted me | 23:23 |
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| VLJ | k | 23:24 |
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| CosmoHill | the creppy thing is he's in another channel on another server that I'm in too | 23:28 |
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| CosmoHill | okay I think I have enough PowerMac G4s to call it a collection | 23:32 |
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