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| auke | Stskeeps: now you're just lolhacking... .desktop file for tweaking brightness lmao | 00:26 |
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| Stskeeps | auke: well, do we have a better service? | 00:28 |
| Stskeeps | show me in the architecture diagram what handles it :) | 00:28 |
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| Stskeeps | auke: .. and that can be handled in 1.1 timeframe | 00:31 |
| Stskeeps | (we don't like hacks either) | 00:31 |
| CosmoHill | vgrade: how many weird looks would I get if I turned up to the meego meeting with my apple powerbook | 00:31 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: there's a mbook profile for meegotouch and designers use it.. | 00:32 |
| Stskeeps | meego's supposed to be fairly agnostic when it comes to vendors | 00:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:32 |
| CosmoHill | arjan and other intel people seem to have Macbook Pros, intel processors and graphics card | 00:32 |
| CosmoHill | I have a Moterola PowerPC with ATi graphics | 00:34 |
| CosmoHill | I couldn't be more screwed if I had an AMD with Nvidia graphics | 00:34 |
| CosmoHill | I booted a P4 into meego core :/ | 00:36 |
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| auke | Stskeeps: problem is you're making a new package to solve something that probably should go into the n900 display driver | 00:40 |
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| auke | Stskeeps: can we get the n900 display driver do this at boot time? | 00:40 |
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| auke | also, there should be a setting that can be restored once the UI starts/stops | 00:40 |
| Stskeeps | auke: possibly, but that would then add device specific code to a hardware driver | 00:40 |
| auke | yes I realize that | 00:41 |
| Stskeeps | so we need to figure out where in the stack this should be handled | 00:41 |
| auke | well drivers are responsible for leaving hardware in a usable state | 00:41 |
| Stskeeps | (we have to be able to upstream it so a kernel hack is probably a no-go) | 00:41 |
| Stskeeps | for good measure, not arguing, trying to find a way to move forward with the issue | 00:42 |
| auke | can we use a generic brightness codepath? something that just sets a reasonable level at boot? | 00:42 |
| auke | or at UX load time? | 00:42 |
| Stskeeps | the -practical- problem is that if backlight level is too high, battery charging will be unreliable | 00:42 |
| Stskeeps | like, before charging starts | 00:42 |
| Stskeeps | ie, it might shut down before charging even starts | 00:42 |
| auke | yeah that's fine, it's OK to set brightness to a reasonable level, like 50%-70% | 00:42 |
| CosmoHill | I still like that 0% is an option on macs | 00:43 |
| Stskeeps | either way, something has to turn it back up again | 00:43 |
| Stskeeps | hence the .desktop file | 00:43 |
| Stskeeps | is there a X/dpms/xset/whatever path for backlight? how does GNOME/etc handle it? | 00:44 |
| Stskeeps | cos that'd be one place in the stack where it would make sense | 00:44 |
| auke | I agree | 00:45 |
| ShadowJK | the non-software charging, when using wallcharger, should cover most loads (not counting radios) fine, but nolo reconfigures it to something unknown anyway before OS boots I think.. | 00:45 |
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| auke | Stskeeps: neither xrandr nor xset allow brightness changes | 00:46 |
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| auke | afaik there's no standard way to interact with panel brightness | 00:46 |
| th0br0 | bye everyone | 00:46 |
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| auke | :/ | 00:46 |
| Stskeeps | time to invent one.. ;) | 00:46 |
| auke | well it should be written into xrandr | 00:47 |
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| Stskeeps | cos the danger is we end up with some stupid daemon like mce again.. | 00:48 |
| auke | nod | 00:50 |
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| Stskeeps | for the while being (to 1.1 release) i'd flag it as architecture backlog or something as we can't expect to add something that does this in architecture towards release | 00:54 |
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| Stskeeps | auke: for good measure, didn't leave out intel architects intentionally :) just started with the areas that were covered by the topic | 01:02 |
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| Stskeeps | but i guess it's best to do architecture escalations with all four horsemen | 01:03 |
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| * Stskeeps heads to bed | 01:05 | |
| CosmoHill | night night | 01:05 |
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| CosmoHill | Reading are playing tomorrow :) | 01:09 |
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| CosmoHill | having fun there abstract3d_ | 01:12 |
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| thiago_home | in a few minutes | 01:18 |
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| ShadowJK | you only need to wake up and say something every other hour or two to give the impression of never sleeping | 01:18 |
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| DawnFoster | or have a bot post as you occassionally | 01:19 |
| DawnFoster | That's what CosmoHill does :) | 01:19 |
| CosmoHill | you've not seen me really early in the morning when i should sleep | 01:19 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm just as bad when I'm really tired as I am drunk :/ | 01:21 |
| DawnFoster | I try not to post anything first thing in the morning until I've had tea | 01:21 |
| DawnFoster | otherwise, I seem incoherent | 01:22 |
| CosmoHill | I ride my bike to uni so that wakes me up | 01:22 |
| * kyb3R hardly ever goes to the uni (physically) anymore | 01:23 | |
| CosmoHill | staff or student? | 01:23 |
| kyb3R | kinda both | 01:23 |
| CosmoHill | I've been going to uni a lot concidering I finished in June :/ | 01:23 |
| kyb3R | phd | 01:23 |
| CosmoHill | postgraduate higher deploma? | 01:23 |
| kyb3R | yes | 01:24 |
| thiago_home | ShadowJK: I don't need to wake up to do that | 01:24 |
| thiago_home | bots can talk for me :-) | 01:24 |
| CosmoHill | is that the thing that lets you be called Doctor? | 01:24 |
| kyb3R | yes :) | 01:24 |
| kyb3R | in the future | 01:24 |
| * CosmoHill puts it on this todo list | 01:24 | |
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| ShadowJK | thiago_home, I was going to say, but I thought it was too insulting to imply you could replace yourself with a tiny script ;-) | 01:25 |
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| vgrade | DawnFoster, we have a quorum for the Cambridge network and I have approached ARM for a meeting space, any chance of some Meego compatable hardware to demo? | 01:25 |
| thiago_home | ShadowJK: that reminds me of a t-shirt of a friend | 01:25 |
| CosmoHill | ha!, I've overtaken Stskeeps on the irc stats | 01:25 |
| thiago_home | "Go away or I'll replace you with a tiny shell script" | 01:25 |
| DawnFoster | Cambridge UK? | 01:26 |
| vgrade | yup | 01:26 |
| thiago_home | vgrade: OMAP3 | 01:26 |
| CosmoHill | that's why I put UK on the wiki page :) | 01:26 |
| DawnFoster | vgrade: how far is that from London? | 01:26 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: lets see | 01:26 |
| DawnFoster | *too lazy to map it myself* | 01:26 |
| thiago_home | there's one good OMAP3 board with number RX-51 | 01:27 |
| thiago_home | commercially known as "N900" | 01:27 |
| thiago_home | :-) | 01:27 |
| DawnFoster | we have some people in London, which is why I ask | 01:27 |
| * thiago_home is going to London on Monday | 01:27 | |
| RST38h | Just use an Atom-based netbook - it will run Meego all right | 01:27 |
| vgrade | nokia on intel hw | 01:27 |
| vgrade | or | 01:27 |
| RST38h | Or Ubuntu, for that matter :) | 01:27 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: 1:10 to 1:30 by train from liverpool street | 01:28 |
| DawnFoster | vgrade: as mentioned, you can load it on most netbooks just fine, but I can put you in touch with someone from the London MeeGo team | 01:28 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: hmm, it's 60 miles from london | 01:28 |
| CosmoHill | mostly the same route from my town | 01:29 |
| auke | I thought cosmoholl *was* a bot | 01:29 |
| CosmoHill | london meego? | 01:29 |
| DawnFoster | vgrade: if you send me an email, I can put you in touch with someone | 01:29 |
| vgrade | DawnFoster, thanks | 01:29 |
| CosmoHill | I'm confused, there's a robot me? | 01:29 |
| DawnFoster | dawn.m.foster at intel | 01:29 |
| * CosmoHill notes that | 01:30 | |
| DawnFoster | CosmoHill: that's exactly we expect a bot to say :) | 01:30 |
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| CosmoHill | so one of your top five contributers is a bot :p | 01:30 |
| DawnFoster | either a bot or someone who never sleeps :) | 01:30 |
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| CosmoHill | it's probably a sad thing I do but I pretty much turn my laptop on when I wake and off when i sleep | 01:31 |
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| CosmoHill | it's connected to IRC whilst I'm up | 01:31 |
| vgrade | thiago_home, n900's welcome | 01:31 |
| auke | I'm terrible. I just make sure my monitors go off and use powertop to tweak my box down to absolute idle when not in use | 01:32 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: google maps has screwed up, I've got two maps overlaid on each other | 01:32 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: about £15 ~ £30 for a train ticket, return | 01:34 |
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| DawnFoster | that's pretty reasonable | 01:35 |
| DawnFoster | would be cool if we could get someone to go. | 01:35 |
| DawnFoster | oh, I should let mmeeks know | 01:35 |
| DawnFoster | he's somewhere around there, too | 01:35 |
| CosmoHill | you could probably save more if you book in advance | 01:35 |
| CosmoHill | I'm getting prices for 10am on monday | 01:35 |
| CosmoHill | sweet | 01:35 |
| CosmoHill | 30 mins from my town to cambridge by train | 01:36 |
| CosmoHill | I thought I'd have to go via liverpool street | 01:37 |
| Myrtti | DawnFoster: sorry for BF spamming you with bug reports ;-) | 01:38 |
| Myrtti | I take the 100% blame | 01:38 |
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| DawnFoster | myrtti: we always appreciate bug reports | 01:38 |
| DawnFoster | I've been getting notifications on all of them, since they involve community infrastructure | 01:38 |
| DawnFoster | I can't keep up ;) | 01:38 |
| DawnFoster | at least now I know who to blame | 01:39 |
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| Myrtti | he was writing longwinding messages on the forum and I innocently asked "why don't you file bug reports" and that was a mistake coz then he found bugs in the bugzilla... | 01:40 |
| Myrtti | or atleast annoyances | 01:40 |
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| CosmoHill | okay I'm confused (it seems to be today's theme) | 01:43 |
| CosmoHill | it's cheaper and faster to go from my town to cambridge than it is to go from liverpool street | 01:43 |
| CosmoHill | even tho I have to go via liverpool street :/ | 01:43 |
| ScottishDuck | It's cheaper for me to go to stockholm than it is to go to manchester | 01:44 |
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| Myrtti | CosmoHill: it's cheaper and almost as fast for me to get from my apartment in Tampere, Finland to Huntingdon than to Helsinki, Finland... | 01:45 |
| CosmoHill | where's huntingdon? | 01:46 |
| Myrtti | About smack between Peterborough and Cambs | 01:46 |
| CosmoHill | huh | 01:47 |
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| CosmoHill | that's...stupid | 01:48 |
| Myrtti | no, that's Finnish National Rail and Ryanair | 01:48 |
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| CosmoHill | ah RyanAir | 01:51 |
| CosmoHill | they flew mum's friend down and then didn't want to fly him back because he didn't have a passport | 01:52 |
| CosmoHill | so he was almost stuck 400 miles away from home | 01:52 |
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| smithna | Hi, I am working on getting IVI working in my car... So I am trying to troubleshoot a couple of items. For now, I am working on getting navit working. From talks on the mailing list, meego plans on using gypsy/geoclue to pass gps info to navit | 02:05 |
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| smithna | How do I go about configuring that to work? I don't even see the gypsy service running by default. | 02:06 |
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| Myrtti | oh bother, I was going to do something on the forum but I just forgot what | 02:08 |
| CosmoHill | kill them all | 02:08 |
| Myrtti | I can only kill on the General-area ;-) | 02:08 |
| Myrtti | ah, now I remember | 02:09 |
| CosmoHill | I can kill but not here | 02:09 |
| Myrtti | was going to reply RevKathy | 02:09 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster objects to the mess it involves | 02:09 |
| DawnFoster | exactly, too messy | 02:10 |
| Myrtti | banhammer ♥ | 02:10 |
| CosmoHill | I have an "op sword" | 02:10 |
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| Myrtti | I don't know if mine have been taken off on the channels I had them once | 02:12 |
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| CosmoHill | I've had people come back after years and find they still have server access | 02:17 |
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| Myrtti | right, time to hit the sack | 02:23 |
| Myrtti | nitenite | 02:23 |
| CosmoHill | poor sack, what did it ever do to you? | 02:24 |
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| vgrade | night | 02:25 |
| CosmoHill | bye bye | 02:25 |
| CosmoHill | vgrade: Meaning of Life is on ITV2 if you;re nocturnal | 02:26 |
| DawnFoster | night, night to you european dwellers | 02:27 |
| DawnFoster | (still working hours back here) | 02:27 |
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| CosmoHill | crap | 02:28 |
| CosmoHill | I need to start waking up at 8am :/ | 02:29 |
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| DawnFoster | I slept in until 7am this morning - normally I'm up at 6am | 02:29 |
| vgrade | I'm up with the kids at 7 | 02:30 |
| CosmoHill | I has no kids :( | 02:30 |
| vgrade | make the most of it :) | 02:30 |
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| CosmoHill | I'll have to settle for a dog | 02:39 |
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| vgrade | :) | 02:40 |
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| CosmoHill | need sleep, bye | 02:50 |
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| vgrade | night CosmoHill, remember to set the alarm | 02:51 |
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| bef0rd | hey. just wondering, latest meego image meego-netbook-ia32-1.0.90.1.20100907.1.img doesn't include yum, is it going to be dropped? | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | think zypper is the one to be used | 10:17 |
| bef0rd | right, it's still required for mic2 though, I installed it with zypper install yum, but I can't use yum to install anything :/ only zypper works | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | file a bug | 10:19 |
| bef0rd | against? mic2 or yum for not working after installation? | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | start with mic2 | 10:20 |
| bef0rd | okay | 10:20 |
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| sofar | yes that's a bug, mic2 should work with zypper | 10:26 |
| sofar | and yes, yum will be dropped from images from now on | 10:26 |
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| Stskeeps | does zypper have a python api? | 10:32 |
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| bef0rd | hehe mic-check-alldeps uses yum to install yum if its not installed :P | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | well, until recently, mic-check-alldeps refused to accept meego as a target distribution | 10:35 |
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| vgrade | morning | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 10:37 |
| bef0rd | I read a mail from arjan I think that said mic2 should work on meego too | 10:37 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | well naturally it should | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:38 |
| bef0rd | dang, now I remember, that mail thread had some bugs too | 10:39 |
| * bef0rd checks | 10:39 | |
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| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 11:19 |
| lbt | good morning | 11:19 |
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| lbt | hoping to get ldap running today | 11:19 |
| lbt | keep an eye out for mrshaver too | 11:19 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm; if you think I'm a bot now cos I don't sleep, just wait until assaignment deadline week ^.^ | 11:52 |
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| Stskeeps | working on porting guide or lunch.. hmmm. | 11:54 |
| bef0rd | work work :P | 11:54 |
| bef0rd | kidding | 11:54 |
| bef0rd | I am trying to compile something but it requires g++, it doesn't seem to be available on meego repo :/ where should I get it from? | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | sure it doesn't come when installing gcc? | 11:56 |
| fathi | mic2 will still use yum for fetching packages but zypper is the package management tool | 11:56 |
| bef0rd | btw just finished building meego-handset-armv7l-n900-nokia-proprietary-1.0.90.1.20100907.1.ks on this atom netbook :), not sure if it works though :P | 11:57 |
| thiago_home | bef0rd: g++ is there somewhere | 11:57 |
| fathi | Stskeeps: no it doesn't | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | hrm | 11:57 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: 11s, porting guide then lunch | 11:57 |
| * Stskeeps checks gcc package | 11:57 | |
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| fathi | bef0rd: try gcc-c++ | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | bef0rd: check packages list for 'sgx' | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | bef0rd: it's that's there, you're pretty well off | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:58 |
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| bef0rd | thanks fathi, that worked :) I tried zypper wp g++ and it returned nothing :P | 12:01 |
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| Stskeeps | next time zypper in /usr/bin/g++ might work too | 12:01 |
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| fathi | hmm qt web runtime seems to fail on 64 bits | 12:03 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: how difficult would it be to make a meego pre-setup OBS appliance? :P | 15:29 |
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| zhxt | help | 15:49 |
| amjad | zhxt ?? | 15:49 |
| zhxt | oh,sorry! I'm new to IRC. I am trying to find some help infomation from command help; but I was wrong. | 15:51 |
| th0br0 | zhxt try /help although even then that won't help you that much. google is your best friend | 15:51 |
| zhxt | OK,Thank you ! I will try. | 15:53 |
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| zhxt | ／HELP away | 15:59 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: not hard .... ramez has been trying .... but a local OBS setup is a real PITA for 99% of people | 16:56 |
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| th3hate | Stskeeps, meego kernel works with u-boot? | 17:02 |
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| Stskeeps | th3hate: yeah | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | th3hate: we're planning on including u-boot support in our builds | 17:03 |
| th3hate | Stskeeps, it will boot it automatictly instead of flashing it everytime ? | 17:04 |
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| LoCusF_ | that should be fixable by creating a specific u-boot image, which has commands to boot from eg. microSD card | 17:07 |
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| LoCusF_ | or if the device has UART (serial port) cabability one can easily stop the boot process and enter their own commands | 17:11 |
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| smithna | Hi, How does one use gypsy/geoclue with a usb gps device? End goal to get navit running... | 17:19 |
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| theplic | hi what are the theming possibilites in meego? | 18:02 |
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| Stskeeps | quite a lot | 18:07 |
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| theplic | hi. i was just using the disk utility app and its bleeding outside the window. i cannot resize for the lack of a resize button. is that a known bug? | 18:24 |
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| Stskeeps | lo wazd | 18:26 |
| vlj | glibc contains a patch with sse3 asm :/ | 18:29 |
| vlj | hope it can build without | 18:29 |
| vlj | is someone expert in x86 asm ? | 18:34 |
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| lcuk | i guess since Intel is heavily involved it shouldnt be *too* difficult to find someone from there thats an expert ;) | 18:35 |
| lcuk | after all, they did define the format :P | 18:35 |
| lcuk | and make however many billions of chips supporting it | 18:36 |
| vlj | except if I ask help for removing x86 sse3 specific instruction ;) | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | ssse3 | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:37 |
| vlj | yep, ssse3 | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | remember, 3 s's in ssse3 ;) | 18:37 |
| RST38h | And you obviously cannot figure out what it does on your own? | 18:37 |
| RST38h | And the documentation on these pesky instructions is, of course, masterfully hidden by the Intel cabal? | 18:38 |
| vlj | well I don't understand @GOTOFF(%ebx) | 18:38 |
| vlj | for instance | 18:38 |
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| Stskeeps | it's rot13 for fuckoff, obviously | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 18:38 |
| RST38h | That is not an SSSE3 instruction | 18:38 |
| vlj | I can guess what it does, but I'm not sure | 18:38 |
| lcuk | what an awesome quote! | 18:38 |
| RST38h | That is a macro call | 18:38 |
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| vlj | no but what does this macro does ? | 18:39 |
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| RST38h | Why not look at the definition of this macro? | 18:39 |
| vlj | it's after a testl $bit SSSE3, CPUID+... thing | 18:39 |
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| vlj | well I don't know where it is defined | 18:39 |
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| lcuk | vlj, I thought the ssse3 stuff was guarded anyway | 18:40 |
| lcuk | and had fallback instructions | 18:40 |
| RST38h | Hint: Macros aredefined usng keyword MACRO | 18:40 |
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| vlj | yep but glibc has a lot of lines of code | 18:41 |
| RST38h | Of course. And that is why most text editors let you search text. | 18:42 |
| ali1234 | ya know, glibc *does* have more than *one* source code file in in | 18:42 |
| RST38h | Yes, it is horrible,I understand | 18:43 |
| vlj | there is grep -r though... | 18:43 |
| RST38h | That is why many text editors let you search multiple files though | 18:43 |
| ali1234 | i don't know any that do that | 18:43 |
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| RST38h | Microsoft Visual Studio is one | 18:43 |
| ali1234 | haha | 18:44 |
| RST38h | HippoEdit, Notepad+, etc | 18:44 |
| RST38h | Scite should do that too | 18:44 |
| ali1234 | i've never heard of any of those except for visual studio, which isn't a text editor | 18:44 |
| * RST38h sighs | 18:44 | |
| RST38h | ...kids nowadays... | 18:44 |
| ali1234 | why would i want to edit hippos? | 18:44 |
| RST38h | #!/bin/sh | 18:45 |
| RST38h | find $2 -exec grep "$1" '{}' \; -print | 18:45 |
| RST38h | Here. Type this into a file, make it executable, use it to search text from your beloved BASH command line, you linux guru. | 18:45 |
| whyhi | #maemo | 18:45 |
| ali1234 | well done, you just reimplemented grep -r | 18:45 |
| theplic | :/ | 18:46 |
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| vlj | anyway it seems not to be a macro | 18:46 |
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| RST38h | Anything starting with a @ is | 18:46 |
| vlj | seems to be related to relocatable things | 18:47 |
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| vlj | or it's not in glibc | 18:48 |
| * CosmoHill gives ksplice a go | 18:49 | |
| ali1234 | you don't need to worry about the ssse3 in glibc anyway | 18:49 |
| RST38h | GOT means Global Offset Table | 18:49 |
| ali1234 | it's all guarded | 18:50 |
| RST38h | OFF stands for Offset | 18:50 |
| ali1234 | at least it is in 1.0.1, and it is enough to recompile a new glibc | 18:50 |
| vlj | ok | 18:50 |
| ali1234 | in fact, contrary to what intel are constantly saying, no patches are needed to enable this | 18:50 |
| ali1234 | not with 1.0.1 anyway | 18:50 |
| ali1234 | you might run into problems with newer versions | 18:51 |
| vlj | RST38h: how did you find that ? | 18:52 |
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| vlj | google tells nothing about this macro | 18:55 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: o/ :) | 19:05 |
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| vlj | is there a beta release of meego 1.1 ? | 19:13 |
| vlj | not an image, just a repo to build image from with mic | 19:14 |
| ali1234 | i dunno about 1.1 beta but there's the daily repos | 19:15 |
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| RST38h | moo, wazd | 19:16 |
| RST38h | wazd: any progress on that widgets idea | 19:16 |
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| ScottishDuck | vlj: technically speaking 1.0.90 is beta | 19:18 |
| vlj | ok | 19:19 |
| vlj | but it's not "freezed" ? | 19:19 |
| ScottishDuck | No it's not frozen | 19:19 |
| vlj | ok | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | yes it is | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | feature exceptions still happen but this is normal | 19:20 |
| bef0rd | Is it me or fonts in Qt applications are not AA? (on meego-netbook) | 19:22 |
| smithna | so..., does anyone use gypsy/geoclue with a usb gps device? I've been trying to get IVI (specifically navit for this discussion) working in my car. | 19:22 |
| ScottishDuck | I wouldn't describe the current status as a traditional beta freeze | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | ScottishDuck: there's nothing traditional, but we're feeling the freeze | 19:22 |
| ScottishDuck | Well beta would usually mean feature complete | 19:24 |
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| Stskeeps | another good term.. how much will be features in 1.1 remains to be seen | 19:24 |
| ScottishDuck | I see | 19:25 |
| ScottishDuck | So it's more like an xorg-server release where you identify what you would like for features, but make omissions to meet deadlines | 19:26 |
| ScottishDuck | Still waiting for xkb 2.0 | 19:26 |
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| ScottishDuck | :) | 19:26 |
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| Stskeeps | well, there's a good description of the features process | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | omissions would be more along lines of 'didn't get in, in time and isn't release critical' | 19:28 |
| ScottishDuck | sure | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | being release critical is obviously very subjective | 19:28 |
| * CosmoHill is trying out ksplice | 19:28 | |
| Stskeeps | but the good news is that at least for n900, we aren't going away for 1.2 | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:29 |
| RST38h | I wonder if you will go away by the time Meego Handset becmes fully functional though... | 19:30 |
| wazd | RST38h: heya :) | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | it remains to be seen how things work in practice, but it isn't the toughest job to maintain a hardware adaptation. making new features is | 19:31 |
| vlj | what are the addition of meego 1.1 on netbook side ? | 19:31 |
| wazd | RST38h: Pavel is thinking about it right now, since he's responsible for that right now :) | 19:32 |
| vlj | Stskeeps: well...tell that to the poor gma 500 owning guys :p | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | so what should be wondered instead is if we are feature complete on hw side | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | vlj: well, our code is oss | 19:32 |
| wazd | RST38h: but I'm trying to convince him as hard as I can :) | 19:32 |
| vlj | ali1234: ping | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | vlj: and we aren't bound by a xorg driver that can't be updated | 19:32 |
| vlj | you're talking of n900 port ? | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | same SGX | 19:33 |
| vlj | but it is updated ? | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | hrm? | 19:34 |
| vlj | SGX drivers for n900 are better updated than the one for gma 500 ? | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | vlj: well, the kernel driver is slightly easier to deal with as it's comparable to other omap3 impls, and the xorg driver is oss | 19:35 |
| vlj | ok | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | vlj: and the libs .. well, at some point they're feature complete | 19:35 |
| RST38h | wazd: Got any preliminary artwork =) | 19:35 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders what brand of fastfood to go for tonight | 19:41 | |
| ScottishDuck | Chinese | 19:42 |
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| Stskeeps | hm, not a bad idea.. | 19:43 |
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| ScottishDuck | Peking Duck | 19:46 |
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| vlj | ali1234: ping | 19:48 |
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| CosmoHill | one day, I'd like to watch 480p youtube videos >.< | 20:13 |
| vlj | on your handled ? | 20:14 |
| CosmoHill | on my laptop :( | 20:14 |
| vlj | why you cannot ? | 20:14 |
| ScottishDuck | dohoho | 20:14 |
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| CosmoHill | it's like a very fast slide show | 20:15 |
| ScottishDuck | I'm going to hazard a guess he's on a powerbook | 20:15 |
| CosmoHill | I am | 20:16 |
| CosmoHill | it would seem I can't watch a youtube video and load it at the same time | 20:16 |
| vlj | powerbook..with powerpc ? | 20:16 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 20:16 |
| CosmoHill | for a 10W processor it creates a lot of heat | 20:17 |
| vlj | sadly the newly released "gala" version of flash does not work on ppc :/ | 20:17 |
| ScottishDuck | Good ole PPC | 20:17 |
| bef0rd | didn't know there was flash for ppc | 20:17 |
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| CosmoHill | firefox is 40% load just buffering the 480p video | 20:17 |
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| korgoth | hello guys | 20:17 |
| korgoth | whats the current state of the n810 support? :-) | 20:18 |
| CosmoHill | korgoth: do you know a guy called Justin?? | 20:18 |
| ScottishDuck | try chrome, CosmoHill | 20:18 |
| CosmoHill | ScottishDuck: that doesn't work on powerpc | 20:18 |
| korgoth | CosmoHill: mnah, not really, why? | 20:18 |
| ScottishDuck | oh dear | 20:18 |
| ScottishDuck | Can you get Firefox 4? | 20:18 |
| CosmoHill | cos I recognise you're hostname and he works there | 20:18 |
| korgoth | ah - lol | 20:19 |
| korgoth | CosmoHill: im just a customer on dh :) | 20:19 |
| CosmoHill | ah okay | 20:19 |
| vlj | CosmoHill: try to download the video on your hard drive, then play it | 20:19 |
| CosmoHill | that works a treat :) | 20:19 |
| ScottishDuck | that's rather tedious in the long term | 20:19 |
| ScottishDuck | you could use safari and the html5 player | 20:19 |
| CosmoHill | yay, 80% load, that means I have 20% spare! | 20:20 |
| CosmoHill | ScottishDuck: i think I tried that once and it was worse that firefox and flash | 20:20 |
| CosmoHill | I'll try with the same video in a moment | 20:20 |
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| ScottishDuck | When did you last try the html5 player | 20:21 |
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| CosmoHill | few months ago I think | 20:22 |
| ScottishDuck | ah | 20:22 |
| ScottishDuck | it has changed a lot since then | 20:22 |
| ScottishDuck | it's essentially reached feature parity with flash | 20:22 |
| ScottishDuck | except for ads and annotations | 20:22 |
| korgoth | so anythiung about the n810 port? | 20:23 |
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| bef0rd | yes, there is not a lot of advance since the armv5 build was disabled on the build servers, also, try the #meego-arm channel | 20:24 |
| CosmoHill | now to find a video that isn't in flash | 20:24 |
| ScottishDuck | Ah, of course you wont have hardware acceleration on PPC because no QuickTimeX | 20:25 |
| korgoth | bef0rd: tnx | 20:25 |
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| CosmoHill | I feel like the resolution options are mocking me | 20:28 |
| ScottishDuck | html5 can't do 480p, it's a known issue with the standard | 20:29 |
| CosmoHill | oh that's stupid, on a "channel" it's flash only | 20:30 |
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| CosmoHill | awesome, 720p is stuck in a 13 second loop | 20:34 |
| CosmoHill | ah no sound is working now | 20:35 |
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| arfoll | is there not a package for libva-glx? | 20:53 |
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| skibur | What is the verdict for Meego on the N800? Slow/Fast/Not working? | 21:01 |
| timoph | currently not availble | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | armv5 builds disabled | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | (for capacitity reasons) | 21:02 |
| bef0rd | is twitter working from meego netbook at the moment? | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | i wrote the mail myself, so no conspiracy here :) | 21:02 |
| vlj | wayland on Meego ? | 21:02 |
| vlj | not sure it is doable :/ | 21:02 |
| CosmoHill | would be nice | 21:03 |
| skibur | Thank you. | 21:03 |
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| vlj | Stskeeps: you speak about obs.maemo.org | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | no, meego.com | 21:03 |
| vlj | no would be awfull, wayland is not supported by most drivers | 21:03 |
| vlj | you have access to obs.meego.com ? ;) | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | build.meego.com and yes, have to, i'm maintaining devel:devices:n900 :P | 21:04 |
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| vlj | how lucky you are ;) | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | that also means i get asked to fix things, which is the downside ;) | 21:06 |
| vlj | you're not working for nokia btw ? | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | not a nokia employee | 21:07 |
| CosmoHill | meego build servers: http://citizengodden.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/p7040179.jpg | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: you know, that would sometimes be right.. | 21:08 |
| CosmoHill | ... | 21:08 |
| theplic | lol | 21:08 |
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| CosmoHill | full blog: http://citizengodden.com/2008/10/03/server-rooms-fire-should-be-kept-apart/ | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | vlj: it's hard to determine really. i'm a 'meego' employee, if anything. | 21:08 |
| lcuk | I thought you were a nomovok employee if anything? | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | no, not even that | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:09 |
| vlj | you're working for meego on your free time or are you paid for that ? | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | vlj: paid for it | 21:09 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, not Nomovok anymore? | 21:09 |
| vlj | ho k | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: no, i'm not employed by nomovok - am my own employer | 21:10 |
| lcuk | rog, didnt know it had changed | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | didn't | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | was always like that :) | 21:11 |
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| * Stskeeps has a cute little company called Imogen Software | 21:11 | |
| lcuk | oopsie then :D lol | 21:11 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 | 21:12 |
| lcuk | says there you are affiliated with nomovok | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't my list to make, but that's the perspective of nokia | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | how it exactly works beyond that interface is up to the imagination | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:12 |
| kyb3R | :) | 21:13 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, you started the page and filled it in :S | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: apperances | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | was in charge of opening up our team work, so | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | team list is rather inaccurate now too | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | some people are other places in the project | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | anyhow | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | i'm off | 21:15 |
| CosmoHill | bye bye | 21:16 |
| CosmoHill | enjoy your chinese | 21:16 |
| Kubuntiac | So, what's the interest in Wayland for anyway? What's it provide over X? | 21:16 |
| CosmoHill | still requires X server | 21:17 |
| lcuk | wayland is uber optimised simplified x server | 21:17 |
| Kubuntiac | Shows how much I know! ;P | 21:17 |
| vlj | Kubuntiac: it is a "lightweight" Xserver that get rid of unnecessary rendering api | 21:17 |
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| vlj | but it requires kernel module setting, gem | 21:18 |
| Kubuntiac | vlj: So the idea is to have somethig that runs better on low powered devices? | 21:18 |
| vlj | obviously not compatible with non kms drivers (like ati and nvidia ones) and drivers that have their own memory manager | 21:18 |
| vlj | well I don't know since wayland is still at an early stage | 21:18 |
| lcuk | yes | 21:18 |
| vlj | you have no benchmark of its consumption | 21:19 |
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| lcuk | the guy was surprised when it took off | 21:19 |
| lcuk | it was just an investigation afaik | 21:19 |
| Kubuntiac | Phoronix really pushed it as the cool new thing | 21:19 |
| lolloo | Stskeeps, is your company real? | 21:19 |
| Kubuntiac | Odd question... | 21:19 |
| CosmoHill | I'm sure his company is like his girlfriend, real | 21:20 |
| vlj | Kubuntiac: but phoronix never put a pic of wayland working ;) | 21:21 |
| lolloo | CosmoHill, girlfriends should be real? why? | 21:21 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm just saying his is real | 21:22 |
| CosmoHill | you have have an imaginary one if you wanted | 21:22 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, don't let Stskeeps' wife know he has a real girlfriend | 21:26 |
| * CosmoHill decides silence is his best option | 21:26 | |
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| vlj | ali1234: ping | 21:31 |
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| vlj | ali1234: I would like you to test a ssse3-less glibc package | 21:31 |
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| bef0rd | does anybody knows which OBS version runs on build.meego.com ? | 21:46 |
| CosmoHill | yes, but he's not here at the moment | 21:47 |
| bef0rd | Stskeeps? :P nevermind just found it http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure | 21:47 |
| bef0rd | uhm that wiki page seems to be outdated, looks like its OBS 2 | 21:49 |
| * CosmoHill smiles and nods | 21:50 | |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, the idea of an open project is to try to keep this upto date! | 21:54 |
| lcuk | bef0rd, if you do find out which version, please update that wiki! | 21:54 |
| lcuk | and lbt, should the front page of the build.meego.com contain a direct link to the infrastructure wiki page? | 21:54 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: you've not seen my distro website then ^.^ | 21:55 |
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| sofar | bef0rd: 2.0 | 21:56 |
| CosmoHill | bef0rd: how did you find out that it's 2.0? | 21:57 |
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| * sofar updates the wiki page with correct obs version numbers | 21:58 | |
| bef0rd | Compared the web design to https://build.opensuse.org/ which is running 2 | 21:58 |
| sofar | it is 2.0 | 21:58 |
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| CosmoHill | sofar: cool, you beat me to it | 21:58 |
| bef0rd | thanks sofar | 21:58 |
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| vlj | ali1234: ping | 21:59 |
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| vlj | is there someone with a non ssse3 computer out there that can test if glibc package works ? :) | 21:59 |
| CosmoHill | .o/ | 22:00 |
| sofar | hehe I got rid of mine | 22:00 |
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| sofar | well I suppose I can resurrect my old via c7 lol | 22:00 |
| Mat_Matan | hi, someone sells apps in Ovi? | 22:00 |
| vlj | the matter is that you need to get an image of meego with this package inside it | 22:01 |
| CosmoHill | vlj: I can boot the meego 1.0 DVD into init 3 on my P4 | 22:03 |
| vlj | DVD ? ;) | 22:04 |
| CosmoHill | yeah it's 800MB >.< | 22:04 |
| vlj | you need to install all these packages : http://download.obs.maemo.org/home:/vljn/MeeGo_1.0_Core/i686/ | 22:05 |
| vlj | and see if you can go beyond init 3 or not | 22:05 |
| CosmoHill | does ftp work? | 22:05 |
| CosmoHill | I can get * then :) | 22:05 |
| vlj | no idea | 22:06 |
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| sofar | CosmoHill: the darn netbook iso's are that large because of the liveOS part :( | 22:06 |
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| kyb3R | wget sould always work | 22:07 |
| kyb3R | *should | 22:07 |
| bef0rd | wget -r | 22:07 |
| kyb3R | yup | 22:07 |
| CosmoHill | oh that's right, I don'\t have wget anymore >.< | 22:08 |
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| sofar | curl | 22:10 |
| sofar | we thought about making wget a wrapper to curl in meego to save space :) | 22:10 |
| CosmoHill | if you can give me the curl commands I'll use that | 22:10 |
| sofar | what do you need to download? a bunch of files in a folder recursively? | 22:11 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 22:11 |
| CosmoHill | whenever I've used curl before it's cocked up all the names | 22:11 |
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| * kyb3R couldn't survive without wget | 22:12 | |
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| * CosmoHill just clicks them on firefox | 22:13 | |
| sofar | I don't think curl can do recursive lol | 22:13 |
| sofar | that's the only thing it can't | 22:13 |
| kyb3R | you would have to do a little script | 22:13 |
| CosmoHill | apparently I can only download 6 things at once | 22:13 |
| lbt | lcuk: that's not mine :) | 22:14 |
| CosmoHill | vlj: I'd be interested to see if yum or zypper work with these RPMs | 22:14 |
| vlj | well you can do "zypper ar http://download.obs.maemo.org/home:/vljn/MeeGo_1.0_Core/i686/ SomeRepoName" | 22:15 |
| vlj | but I don't know how to mark them as "prefered" over the official ones | 22:16 |
| sofar | hmm I need to get osc compiled from source so I can work on my home box | 22:16 |
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| CosmoHill | where is my fecking meego dvd | 22:24 |
| vlj | :p | 22:24 |
| CosmoHill | it was on my damn desk last week | 22:25 |
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| vlj | how can I unmount loopback ? | 22:30 |
| CosmoHill | umount /path/to/mount | 22:30 |
| vlj | loopback are not mounted to some path :/ | 22:30 |
| CosmoHill | okay | 22:31 |
| CosmoHill | so where is it mounted to | 22:31 |
| vlj | no idea | 22:31 |
| vlj | I have a [loop0] process when doing ps aux | 22:32 |
| CosmoHill | type "mount" and find out | 22:32 |
| vlj | its not there :/ | 22:32 |
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| * CosmoHill looks over at his collection of P3 processors | 22:33 | |
| lcuk | lbt, fair enough \o | 22:33 |
| lcuk | who should be poked? | 22:33 |
| CosmoHill | why do I have theses | 22:33 |
| vlj | nostalgia ? | 22:33 |
| CosmoHill | I tried to make a Dual P3 but it sucks | 22:33 |
| CosmoHill | anyone want 44Kg of scrap / dell poweregde 4400 | 22:34 |
| vlj | I wonder if atom can compete with p3 | 22:34 |
| CosmoHill | single p3 or my collection? | 22:35 |
| CosmoHill | I think I have two slots and 5 sockets | 22:35 |
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| vlj | well the most powerfull p3 you have :) | 22:36 |
| CosmoHill | my server :) | 22:36 |
| CosmoHill | hold on | 22:36 |
| CosmoHill | stats.cosmo1847.co.uk | 22:36 |
| CosmoHill | stats.of.your.mums.boyfriends.cosmo1847.co.uk also works ^.^ | 22:37 |
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| CosmoHill | vlj: installing | 22:45 |
| vlj | ok | 22:45 |
| CosmoHill | I forgot the that the front is usb 1.1 | 22:45 |
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| lbt | lcuk: probably Anas.... but TBH I think it's fine as a general purpose link | 22:48 |
| CosmoHill | I typed init 5, that seems to the the last thing that happened | 22:49 |
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| vlj | you mean it crashed ? | 22:50 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 22:50 |
| vlj | :/ | 22:50 |
| vlj | Xorg crashed or your whole system ? | 22:51 |
| CosmoHill | erm | 22:52 |
| CosmoHill | it's not booting :/ | 22:52 |
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| vlj | sad | 22:53 |
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| CosmoHill | shit shit shit | 22:55 |
| CosmoHill | I actually need this computer for next semester | 22:55 |
| vlj | why ? | 22:56 |
| CosmoHill | I think I need MSSQL for some stuff | 22:56 |
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| CosmoHill | I has boot menu >.< | 22:56 |
| CosmoHill | * ^.^ | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | lolloo: yes, it even has a cute EU VAT number :P | 22:57 |
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| CosmoHill | x11 is running | 23:05 |
| CosmoHill | what's the command to start the GUI? | 23:05 |
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| kyb3R | startx ? | 23:09 |
| bef0rd | uxlaunch? | 23:09 |
| CosmoHill | the latter | 23:10 |
| CosmoHill | thanks | 23:11 |
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| CosmoHill | silly question, vlj what graphics card were you expecting me to have? | 23:11 |
| bef0rd | i'm guessing probably a supported one since he just wanted to check non ssse3 compatibility | 23:12 |
| vlj | err...and intel one that is supported by meego ? :) | 23:12 |
| CosmoHill | would a Matrox GS200 do? | 23:13 |
| vlj | I doubt it | 23:13 |
| vlj | except if you can use vesa driver | 23:13 |
| CosmoHill | found it | 23:16 |
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| bef0rd | does netbook ux work on vesa? | 23:16 |
| vlj | it depends on what you put under the word "to work" | 23:17 |
| thiago_home | unlikely | 23:17 |
| thiago_home | GL is needed everywhere now | 23:17 |
| vlj | but mesa provide a software rasteriser or ? | 23:18 |
| CosmoHill | trying again with Matrox graphics card | 23:20 |
| thiago_home | yes, mesa provides a rasteriser, but it's going to be much smlwer | 23:21 |
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| vlj | yes | 23:21 |
| vlj | but technically, it "works" ;) | 23:21 |
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| zariz | Is meego same for netbook, handhelds and ivi except gui? | 23:25 |
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| CosmoHill | mga not found | 23:25 |
| thiago_home | zariz: yes, mostly | 23:26 |
| thiago_home | zariz: some minor middleware differences though | 23:26 |
| vlj | mga not found ? | 23:27 |
| CosmoHill | nope, mga = matrox grraphics driver | 23:28 |
| zariz | so if i design software with qt it will work all platforms? | 23:28 |
| vlj | ok | 23:28 |
| CosmoHill | zypper update = illegal insturction (core dump) | 23:29 |
| vlj | ok | 23:29 |
| vlj | can you put the core dump to pastebin ? :) | 23:29 |
| CosmoHill | zypper help works tho | 23:29 |
| CosmoHill | maybe, where is it? | 23:30 |
| vlj | err no idea | 23:30 |
| vlj | maybe in your home | 23:30 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 23:31 |
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| CosmoHill | so we have a core dump...somewhere | 23:38 |
| vlj | yup | 23:39 |
| vlj | brb | 23:39 |
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| lbt | I hate doing remote iptables | 23:43 |
| CosmoHill | that has potentional to go wrong | 23:44 |
| CosmoHill | I'm glad I have serial on my server now :) | 23:44 |
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| lolloo | Stskeeps, wow nice. congratulations man! | 23:51 |
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| midwinter_ | can anyone give me some help getting broadcom wifi drivers working on my Dell mini? | 23:57 |
| smithna | so..., does anyone use gypsy/geoclue with a usb gps device? I've been trying to get IVI (specifically navit for this discussion) working in my car. | 23:59 |
| sofar | midwinter_: just wait until the new brcm80211 driver is merged into meego | 23:59 |
| sofar | don't bother spending your time on that now :) | 23:59 |
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