| CosmoHill | vgrade: cool | 00:02 |
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| CosmoHill | I knew this would happen tho | 00:02 |
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| CosmoHill | people talking to me about cambridge | 00:02 |
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| CosmoHill | my time in Cambridge consisted of one long anxiety attack >.< | 00:03 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | CosmoHill: this is why man invented drugs and alcohol | 00:04 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :P | 00:04 |
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| CosmoHill | I stopped taking them when they stopped having an affect | 00:04 |
| CosmoHill | also you can't go to a uni open day drunk | 00:04 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | you can if you're irish | 00:05 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :P | 00:05 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | *Ba-dum-ching* | 00:05 |
| CosmoHill | hehe | 00:05 |
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| CosmoHill | my late grandma hated the irish | 00:05 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | or if you happen to be from Newcastle | 00:05 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | *zing* | 00:05 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :P | 00:05 |
| * CosmoHill looks down at the football shirt | 00:05 | |
| CosmoHill | wrong team | 00:05 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | what team? | 00:06 |
| CosmoHill | Reading FC | 00:06 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | cool ok | 00:06 |
| CosmoHill | some of the security guards asked me about it saying he doesn't see it often | 00:07 |
| lcuk | manchester will need a meego presence at some point | 00:07 |
| CosmoHill | better than the last one that spoke to me demanding £10 to release my car | 00:07 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | heh :) | 00:07 |
| CosmoHill | they gave me directions to two cash machines | 00:08 |
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| CosmoHill | anyone interested in Glasgow? | 00:10 |
| Jartza | Stskeeps: a lot, meaning more or less than on maemo? :) | 00:11 |
| CosmoHill | I've just seen a picture of my op jumping off a cliff | 00:12 |
| CosmoHill | lilterary off a cliff | 00:12 |
| CosmoHill | http://adventure.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/trips/americas-best-adventures/wingsuit-flying/ | 00:12 |
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| CosmoHill | if anyone wants glasgow I was gonna suggest http://www.esc-games.com as the venue? | 00:17 |
| kyb3R | I must be old or retarded because I had to check some of twitter terms from the Web | 00:17 |
| CosmoHill | lol | 00:18 |
| CosmoHill | means you're human | 00:18 |
| kyb3R | :) | 00:20 |
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| nazgee | hi guys- very general problem here. what would be the proper way of adding completely new software stack support to meego? | 00:24 |
| nazgee | are there any resources describing how it should be done "the right way"? | 00:24 |
| nazgee | in Android these issues are resolved by setting up a service that is talking with SW stack, which is built on top of HW drivers. Apps are using very simple API, that talks directly to service | 00:25 |
| nazgee | ah - and I forgot to add - I am a complete noob in meego ;] what I've done so far is built it from scratch and did some fooling around | 00:26 |
| nazgee | but have no idea on the overall architecture ;] | 00:26 |
| CosmoHill | I have no idea but someone around here might do | 00:26 |
| lcuk | nazgee, "new software stack"? you mean a set of libraries and apps to use those new libraries and how they interact with the UX? | 00:27 |
| odin_ | what does the "software stack" concept mean to you ? | 00:27 |
| nazgee | to be more precise - company i work for is wondering on giving a meego support for NFC | 00:28 |
| vgrade | Nexus One instructions added to http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD | 00:28 |
| odin_ | generally you should expect all HW drivers to be supplied by MeeGo core + vendor additions, so you are left with a programming API to use them | 00:28 |
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| lcuk | nazgee, ? nfc - nearfieldcomms stuff? | 00:29 |
| lcuk | wont this be part of the low level drivers? | 00:29 |
| odin_ | those programming APIs in MeeGo are generally C/C++ based ones, where as I believe in Android they are Java/Dalvik based ones and because of the VM they need an additional layer to expose the HW to the language/VM | 00:29 |
| lcuk | is it not exposed as a new networking device? | 00:29 |
| nazgee | lcuk: yep. we would like to do something like bluez does for bluetooth, but aiming particulary for meego | 00:29 |
| lcuk | ok then you should be talking to the qt teams | 00:30 |
| lcuk | because this if I am thinking right will require some low level talking to drivers as well as api expansions? | 00:30 |
| nazgee | but the problem is, that drivers for NFC chips are just a tip of the iceberg - there has to be *a lot* of stack implemented to support different standards | 00:30 |
| lcuk | are you aiming to make the api/support generic | 00:30 |
| odin_ | the one unique selling point for MeeGo to me, is the development environment is the same as Desktop and Server linux, on Android this is not the case | 00:31 |
| lcuk | so that I could install on X meego device whether or not it has specific NFC hardware? | 00:31 |
| nazgee | e.g., one can want to switch on support for proximity tags detection, register some callbacks, etc. | 00:31 |
| lcuk | nazgee, for a brand new stack in flux it will take a while to get right and you should really be considering some specific consultancy between yourself and the qt guys. i strongly suggest you look at how other "new technologies" have ended up in qt and the issues | 00:32 |
| nazgee | lcuk: stack is already developed, and it works for quite a lot of devices/standards | 00:33 |
| nazgee | so believe, the biggest problem would be doing it the meggo way | 00:34 |
| odin_ | for me Qt is just a UI toolkit, but isn't nokia pushing it to be the APIs for its handsets, which encompass everything from threading, to database, to storage, to hardware access, sort of makes sense to throw the Symbian guys a bone | 00:34 |
| lcuk | nazgee, published and open? | 00:35 |
| nazgee | not fully yet | 00:35 |
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| lcuk | is there anywhere I can readup on how far you have got? | 00:36 |
| * lcuk has specific interest in NFC | 00:36 | |
| nazgee | i am just a bystander - not a core developer, and I am at the stage of gaining knowledge on meego porting - if it is feasible, and what it would require | 00:37 |
| lcuk | nazgee, does it fallback onto BT/wifi in absence of NFC chip (I read it was oing to try) | 00:37 |
| lcuk | ahh | 00:37 |
| nazgee | no, it does not. the only way it is connected with BT, is that it allows to exhange passkeys via NFC instead of manually entering pins | 00:38 |
| nazgee | of course, if app/bluez is willing to use it ;] | 00:38 |
| lcuk | bah! | 00:38 |
| nazgee | NFC is a bit aside of BT/WLAN and i believe these should be considered separately | 00:39 |
| nazgee | if platform has no NFC chip, .ko won't load, the stack just would not start-up - nothing bad happens | 00:40 |
| lcuk | ok so it is just an alternative to bt | 00:41 |
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| auke | will it blend? | 00:41 |
| nazgee | lcuk: no it is not an alternative- in fact, it has nothing to do with BT. it allows you to exchange vcard or pincodes, pay for a subway, or read an NFC tag embedded in poster, and get url from it, sou you do not have to type it in manually | 00:43 |
| nazgee | using it in BT pairing sequence is just an alternative | 00:43 |
| nazgee | to manually entering pin codes | 00:44 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk, btw my windows cluster is working | 00:45 |
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| lcuk | nazgee, i did not mean alternative as in chip compatible, its just another short range mechanism | 00:46 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, :D | 00:46 |
| CosmoHill | also making way of my pxe grub | 00:46 |
| CosmoHill | food for magical midgets | 00:46 |
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| CosmoHill | I think I know what the N9 has to goo through | 00:49 |
| CosmoHill | being with an assigned person at all times and has it's own driver to pick them up and drop them off | 00:50 |
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| nazgee | lcuk: you can not e.g. do streaming via NFC. it is rather designed as touch-A-to-B-and-do-something. i believe pre-paid payment without pin entering is one of a most useful use cases | 00:51 |
| * lcuk cannot find what i was looking for | 00:51 | |
| lcuk | yes i have mixed up technology somewhat and I am trying to find the specific. i know nfc entered my head properly when i was looking at invar | 00:53 |
| lcuk | ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM ) | 00:53 |
| lcuk | but the thing i was thinking about which combined wireless was something else | 00:53 |
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| nazgee | BT interworks with WiFi in BT 3.0 spec via so called AMP mechanism | 00:54 |
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| nazgee | when BT needs a lot of bandwidth, it can fallback to use WiFi band, and maximize througput | 00:55 |
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| nazgee | it is not yet implemented in bluez yet - qualcom is pushing patches with it to bluez | 00:55 |
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| nazgee | isn't that what you thought about, lcuk? | 00:56 |
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| lcuk | it possibly is, obviously tonight my head has melted | 00:57 |
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| lcuk | it does not bring back evocative memory though unlike you mentioning nfc at first :P | 00:57 |
| lcuk | ahh nm | 01:01 |
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| nazgee | i see. well- i am familliar with BT and a bit with WIFI and NFC, but nothing else rings the bell. NFC can help in pairing scenario, and WiFi can increase streaming speed - both for the sake of BT. no more inter-protocole relationships i can think of ;] | 01:01 |
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| lcuk | ahh ahh | 01:11 |
| lcuk | nazgee, completely offbase! http://www.intomobile.com/2010/06/17/nokia-researching-and-developing-cognitive-radio/ | 01:12 |
| lcuk | thats the one I was thinking of | 01:12 |
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| nazgee | lcuk: cool stuff ;] and nice video | 01:15 |
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| lcuk | indeed, but totally not what you meant! | 01:15 |
| lcuk | apologies for mixing up | 01:16 |
| nazgee | lcuk: np | 01:16 |
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| nazgee | strange name: basil. anyone knows anyone with this name? | 01:17 |
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| auke | used to be a quite common first name | 01:20 |
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| nazgee | auke: really? i do not think we have it's euqivalent here | 01:21 |
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| nazgee | ok. let's try the other way. what would you say if someone would ask you to approve such a design (from bottom to top): | 01:29 |
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| nazgee | 1 (HW served by kernel module, /dev/nfc appears) | 01:29 |
| nazgee | 2 (stack implemented by server/deamon app, which talks with /dev/nfc) | 01:30 |
| nazgee | 3 (.so library, that exposes a simple API, e.g. allowing registering for event of , via NFC tag) | 01:30 |
| nazgee | this should work as desired (and is actually quite cloce to what is already implemented), but what I'd like to know if meego implies any special restrictions on apps accessing HW (e.g. via mentioned .so) - is there any specific policy for "approved" apps or sth? | 01:30 |
| nazgee | are there any restrictions on how such an API should look like? C/C++? events registering methods? | 01:30 |
| nazgee | maybe i am mixing something up, as I am thinking of meego mostly as a stack for mobiles | 01:30 |
| nazgee | or maybe there are some demands that deamon [2] should meet in order to be done "meegoish"? | 01:31 |
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| auke | nazgee: anyone in the UK can tell you "Basil" is a rather ordinary male first name | 01:34 |
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| nazgee | auke: main character was male in lcuk's movie about cognitive radio, and was named basil (or I am completely deaf) | 01:35 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/cc/nodes_back.jpg | 01:36 |
| auke | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basil_%28name%29 </end offtopic lol> | 01:36 |
| auke | CosmoHill: are you running LFS? any particular reason why LFS? | 01:37 |
| CosmoHill | I'm running LFS on my server | 01:37 |
| CosmoHill | I started LFS purely to learn more about linux but now I'm pround to run it on my server | 01:38 |
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| CosmoHill | LFS gives you total control over your computer as you install and configure everything on the computer | 01:41 |
| CosmoHill | the downside is you need to install and configure everything yourself | 01:42 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: personally I'm surpiced the trolly didn't collapse when moving it | 01:45 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, it looks quite sturdy, not like the iRaq | 01:46 |
| lcuk | will chat tomorrow tho :) gnite | 01:46 |
| CosmoHill | I was embrassed walking down the hall with that | 01:47 |
| CosmoHill | if only I had some WD40 | 01:47 |
| CosmoHill | cyas | 01:47 |
| cb | wd40 :-) | 01:47 |
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| CosmoHill | it's like KY for robots | 01:48 |
| nazgee | CosmoHill: agreed, it is cool, and can be quite a good lesson. on the other side it is like building a car yourself - you probably can do it (and i am not judging reasoning why to do it), but it seems rather uncommon to NEED it | 01:48 |
| nazgee | CosmoHill: auch. is KY what I think it is... ? ;] | 01:49 |
| CosmoHill | it's a steep learning curve but I think it was worth it for me | 01:49 |
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| CosmoHill | it's really boosted my linux knowledge | 01:49 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 01:49 |
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| nazgee | but you have to admit, it did only part of the job - compiling from scratch does not give you an insight on a rchitecture | 01:50 |
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| nazgee | of the software, rather on relationship between pieces and how they go together | 01:51 |
| nazgee | it sounds admin-like knowledge to me, not a SW developer | 01:51 |
| nazgee | which i personally find useful, but not crucial (in my case) | 01:52 |
| CosmoHill | for me it's more than just compiling stuff | 01:52 |
| nazgee | oh. seems i am missing something out of the picture | 01:53 |
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| kaie` | is there an irc client native to meego | 01:54 |
| kaie` | i went into the software manager and didnt find anything | 01:54 |
| CosmoHill | I've taken over control over the IRC server (but in a good way) and become a dev for CLFS | 01:54 |
| CosmoHill | I've also started patching some software | 01:54 |
| CosmoHill | there is somewhere | 01:54 |
| kaie` | half the servers i connect to dont accept mibbit. and im not trying to have 1000 tabs open for all their individual webchats | 01:55 |
| kaie` | freenode included | 01:55 |
| kaie` | im guessing open office doesnt work either as that wasnt in the deal | 01:55 |
| nazgee | CosmoHill: ok, then no questions asked | 01:56 |
| CosmoHill | hold on | 01:56 |
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| CosmoHill | 16367 apache 30 10 1592 464 400 R 99.9 0.1 11:30.93 s | 01:56 |
| CosmoHill | I have a weird feeling someone has screwed with my server | 01:57 |
| cb | where did you leave your screwdriver? | 01:57 |
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| kaie` | is it possible to browse network shares on meego? | 01:57 |
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| CosmoHill | on my desk I think | 01:58 |
| CosmoHill | but I mean that's twice my server has gone poop and eaten my bandwidth | 01:58 |
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| kaie` | =/ | 01:59 |
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| CosmoHill | it runs a command called "s" | 02:03 |
| vgrade | night | 02:04 |
| CosmoHill | bye vgrade | 02:04 |
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| CosmoHill | nazgee: the main users of LFS are people who want a custom distro or are just curiouys | 02:07 |
| nazgee | that is what i thought ;] | 02:07 |
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| kaie` | browsing network shares on meego possible? | 02:09 |
| CosmoHill | random question | 02:11 |
| CosmoHill | anyone know where I could get IA-64 computer from for cheap? | 02:11 |
| cb | ebay? | 02:12 |
| nazgee | how does meego apps use BT? is there some kind of Qt class/lib/framework, or pure bluez D-BUS is used? (i believe that when you ask this one, it will be possible the idea to NFC stak I'd like to NFC stack for meego) | 02:12 |
| CosmoHill | ebay pissed me off when what I was bidding for went up £40 in the last 60 seconds | 02:13 |
| nazgee | CosmoHill: that is all about online bidding | 02:13 |
| CosmoHill | someone said people buy software to bid for them | 02:13 |
| CosmoHill | so I got snipped by software | 02:14 |
| CosmoHill | it was a dual 1.4Ghz UltraSPARC III >.< | 02:14 |
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| nazgee | afaik you do not have to buy any SW, just put a max price you're willing to pay, and let it all happen. if you'll set max as $40, and sbdy elske will give $30 as max, you'll end up with buying it for $31 | 02:17 |
| nazgee | what else (better) this bidding software can do for ya? | 02:17 |
| cb | and some other nut will bid because he gets a thrill out of it | 02:17 |
| nazgee | then he will have to pay, if he gets over $40 | 02:18 |
| nazgee | i'm not sure what is the problem | 02:19 |
| CosmoHill | I think it just bids for you as if you where bidding, only much faster | 02:19 |
| CosmoHill | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Dell-PowerEdge-3250-2x-Intel-ITANIUM-2-1-4-4mbL3-64bit-/160478108147?pt=UK_Computing_Networking_SM&hash=item255d3d99f3 | 02:19 |
| cb | how much power does this thing suck in? | 02:19 |
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| CosmoHill | no idea | 02:21 |
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| nazgee | i live on 47m^2 with my fiance. she'd kill me for such a stuff laying around. getting a desktop was a bit of a challenge, not to mention ugly-looking rack chassises ;] | 02:21 |
| CosmoHill | you should see my cupboard | 02:22 |
| CosmoHill | if I close the curtain on it you can't see the stuff and the remotes still work :) | 02:22 |
| nazgee | do you fit in there too? :) | 02:24 |
| CosmoHill | I sat on the desk once and then quickly got off it | 02:24 |
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| nazgee | desks are for keyboard and sex (if there is no keyboard on it) | 02:25 |
| CosmoHill | this desk is made out of spare parts | 02:26 |
| CosmoHill | two kitchen units and a desk top balanced on top | 02:27 |
| cb | o0 | 02:27 |
| nazgee | at least you have two kitchen units ;] | 02:28 |
| CosmoHill | cb: I found my screw driver btw :) | 02:28 |
| cb | good, so your apache works fine now? | 02:28 |
| CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/files/lair3.jpg | 02:28 |
| CosmoHill | what it used to look like | 02:28 |
| CosmoHill | seems so | 02:29 |
| cb | where do you put your feet? | 02:29 |
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| CosmoHill | something was started as the apcahe user ;/ | 02:29 |
| CosmoHill | that's a bench I stand up at | 02:29 |
| CosmoHill | you can see my old desk on the left | 02:29 |
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| nazgee | does not seem easy to spread your legs down there. you have legs, dont you? ;] | 02:30 |
| CosmoHill | it's basically storage | 02:31 |
| cb | http://black-flag.co.uk/files/lair.jpg | 02:32 |
| cb | looks comfy :) | 02:32 |
| CosmoHill | :) | 02:32 |
| CosmoHill | I'd just been given the G4 in the center elft | 02:33 |
| CosmoHill | centre left* | 02:33 |
| nazgee | how many cpus per m^2 are there? | 02:33 |
| cb | haha | 02:33 |
| CosmoHill | I could tell you how many computers are in my room now | 02:33 |
| cb | http://black-flag.co.uk/files/lair4.jpg looks also funny | 02:33 |
| nazgee | glad it is finite, i was getting jealous | 02:34 |
| CosmoHill | you can see the VCR balanced on the sunblade | 02:34 |
| CosmoHill | nazgee: I have computers, you have a woman who loves you | 02:34 |
| CosmoHill | so you're winning | 02:35 |
| CosmoHill | on the plus side I can kick my stuff | 02:35 |
| nazgee | she's trying to sleep, shouting that i'm typing to loud- i can not do touch typing, i can not dig into kernel till 4 am... + she is not working, so i can not afford all the toys i want | 02:37 |
| nazgee | of course there are some positives, but don't make think about it | 02:37 |
| nazgee | ;] | 02:37 |
| CosmoHill | I can't afford most things | 02:37 |
| CosmoHill | most of my computers have been given to me | 02:37 |
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| nazgee | i live in poland, you win ;] | 02:39 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 02:40 |
| nazgee | ... but yes, we have some computers here ;] | 02:41 |
| CosmoHill | I'm limit to where I can have them | 02:42 |
| CosmoHill | as in the computer has to go in my bedroom | 02:44 |
| nazgee | i see | 02:45 |
| * CosmoHill lives with parents | 02:45 | |
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| nazgee | at least you don't worry about mortage | 02:46 |
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| CosmoHill | indeed | 02:46 |
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| nazgee | if i'll decide to buy a flat, i will have to give away 30% of my income for approx 25 years | 02:47 |
| nazgee | but renting it sucks either | 02:47 |
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| CosmoHill | I think I'd be very confused living on my own | 02:48 |
| cb | you have to buy food for yourself! | 02:49 |
| CosmoHill | I'm fine being left on my own for a while but there's always someone home if I need to speak to someone | 02:49 |
| CosmoHill | when my parents went on hoilday I cooked and stuff for me and my bro | 02:49 |
| nazgee | i hate cooking/eating | 02:50 |
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| nazgee | fully balanced nutritious pill welcome | 02:52 |
| nazgee | nutritive? | 02:52 |
| cb | A.C.M.E. Instant Food? | 02:52 |
| nazgee | yes, please | 02:52 |
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| CosmoHill | it was nothing fancy | 02:54 |
| nazgee | how does meego apps use BT? is there some kind of Qt class/lib/framework, or pure bluez D-BUS is used? (i believe that when you ask this one, it will be possible the idea to NFC stak I'd like to NFC stack for meego) | 02:54 |
| nazgee | crap. ask=answer. forgot to correct it | 02:54 |
| nazgee | anyone? | 02:55 |
| nazgee | eeeeeh. i should definitely read what i've written before sending it ;] | 02:56 |
| CosmoHill | bluetooth? | 02:58 |
| nazgee | generally speaking: how bluez is used in meego? I am asking, as I believe that using simillar architecture can help us in porting NFC stack for meego, so it can be used coniviniently. | 02:59 |
| CosmoHill | at first I thought you meant British Telecom, I was very confused. | 02:59 |
| nazgee | CosmoHill: yep | 02:59 |
| Aard | CosmoHill: I can contribute some pictures of my old room (yes, really crappy quality): http://bwachter.lart.info/public/pictures/nr/ | 03:00 |
| CosmoHill | only poop | 03:00 |
| CosmoHill | wait is that a bed? | 03:00 |
| CosmoHill | rabbit! | 03:01 |
| CosmoHill | (you can probably guess what picture I'm looking at by my comments) | 03:01 |
| Aard | yes, there's a bed somewhere | 03:01 |
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| CosmoHill | pictures can't be that old cos you've got Scratch on the ceiling | 03:02 |
| nazgee | CosmoHill: in polish there is no acronym for BT i can think of, so there is no source of possible confusion, sorry for that | 03:02 |
| Aard | but, old room. for example, those crts and that proliant server are no more | 03:02 |
| Aard | about 5 years | 03:02 |
| CosmoHill | nazgee: BT is the only phone line company in the UK :) | 03:02 |
| CosmoHill | but yeah I should have guessed ytou meany bluetooth | 03:03 |
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| CosmoHill | Aard: i love all the computer gear with the odd soft toy on them | 03:04 |
| nazgee | Aard: how does it feel to sleep on 5 keyboards? my back wouldn't stand it | 03:04 |
| CosmoHill | it's like "geek geek geek teddy bear! geek geek geek" | 03:04 |
| Aard | you get used to it ;) | 03:04 |
| CosmoHill | hahahah | 03:04 |
| CosmoHill | IU've just seen your bed | 03:04 |
| CosmoHill | you must wake up hugging a keyboard or something | 03:05 |
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| Aard | again, old. I've been living in a bigger apartment for the last 5 years with a separate room for all the hardware | 03:05 |
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| nazgee | there is even a spot for a coffe mug! well done ;] | 03:06 |
| CosmoHill | but when you lived there did you sleep in that bed? | 03:06 |
| Aard | and thrown away >20 x86 boxes in late 2009 when preparing the next move | 03:06 |
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| CosmoHill | is that a tape drive on your bed? | 03:06 |
| Aard | yes. I can live with half the bed, and just move the stuff into the other half :) | 03:06 |
| Aard | quite possible | 03:06 |
| CosmoHill | you amaze me | 03:07 |
| nazgee | Aard: next time send these poor boxes somewhere when they want it ;] | 03:07 |
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| Aard | nazgee: I don't think there was much useful. stuff between 386 and pIII-600 | 03:08 |
| Aard | that's an even older version of that room: http://bwachter.lart.info/public/pictures/home/ | 03:09 |
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| nazgee | explains a lot (but don't feel excused) | 03:09 |
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| Aard | bad thing is, even after throwing out that many boxes there's still too much hardware | 03:12 |
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| * CosmoHill is being screwed again by apache | 03:13 | |
| Aard | don't send pics | 03:13 |
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| CosmoHill | 16090 apache 30 10 1892 692 564 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.06 crond | 03:15 |
| CosmoHill | interested | 03:15 |
| CosmoHill | my server doesn't have cron installed | 03:16 |
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| nazgee | seems it does now ;] | 03:18 |
| CosmoHill | apache 16090 1 0 Sep07 ? 00:00:00 ./crond | 03:18 |
| Robot101 | CosmoHill: ls -la /proc/16090/exe | 03:19 |
| CosmoHill | thanks | 03:20 |
| CosmoHill | nate@blue[1101]:/tmp $ sudo ls -la /proc/16090/exe | 03:20 |
| CosmoHill | lrwxrwxrwx 1 apache apache 0 2010-09-08 01:19 /proc/16090/exe -> /tmp/.b/crond | 03:20 |
| Robot101 | yeah your apache has been hacked | 03:20 |
| Robot101 | any crappy webapps? | 03:21 |
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| CosmoHill | wordpress and stuff I've programmed | 03:21 |
| Robot101 | PHP? | 03:21 |
| Robot101 | wordpress version? | 03:21 |
| CosmoHill | yeah | 03:21 |
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| CosmoHill | just upgraded wordpress to latest | 03:21 |
| CosmoHill | hmm | 03:22 |
| CosmoHill | looks like it happened yesterday | 03:22 |
| Aard | maybe you should have upgraded earlier :) | 03:22 |
| Robot101 | before or after it was hacked? :P | 03:22 |
| CosmoHill | before | 03:22 |
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| CosmoHill | drwx------ 2 apache apache 4096 2010-09-07 20:00 .b | 03:22 |
| johnx | did you FTP into it from a questionable windows machine at any point? | 03:22 |
| CosmoHill | FTP can't get to /tmp | 03:22 |
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| johnx | but apache should be able to write to /tmp | 03:23 |
| Robot101 | the fact it's owned by the apache user very likely means it's a webapp exploit | 03:23 |
| Robot101 | wordpress is the most likely, as any exploits will be very widely tested for and exploited | 03:23 |
| Robot101 | what version did you upgrade from, and how long was it running, and does it have known vulnerabilities | 03:24 |
| Robot101 | are you sure you've upgraded it? | 03:24 |
| johnx | Robot101, we had a really wild one creep onto the website at work. it was a virus that infected windows FTP clients, and infected PHP files that were uploaded through it | 03:24 |
| Robot101 | johnx: yeah but, common things to think about first | 03:24 |
| johnx | it was quite a common thing at the time at least, hence why I mentioned it ;) | 03:24 |
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| Robot101 | other questions - does your kernel have any known vulnerabilities - if so, you could also have a system compromise as well as the apache user - check your kernel is up to date and consider running checkrootkit | 03:25 |
| CosmoHill | maybe php myadmin | 03:25 |
| Robot101 | oh yeah - that too. fun fun. search common writable areas like /tmp and /var for suspicious stuff owned by the apache user | 03:25 |
| Robot101 | and, check for any other funky processes running as the apache user (and look in those directories) and move them somewhere else for, well, pondering upon in the future | 03:26 |
| Robot101 | then pkill -9 -u apache | 03:26 |
| CosmoHill | I've killed crond | 03:26 |
| johnx | also, might want to verify any PHP files on the server against known good copies | 03:26 |
| Robot101 | then see if you can find a known vulnerable webapp and check the logs to see if it looks like that was actually exploited around 2010-09-07 20:00 | 03:27 |
| Robot101 | and yeah, check any PHP files on the system which would be writable by the apache user | 03:27 |
| Robot101 | or, more generally, if this sounds like a hassle and you're not confident, backup, reinstall and you can be 100% sure | 03:28 |
| CosmoHill | http://pastebin.cross-lfs.org/13400 | 03:28 |
| Robot101 | uh | 03:29 |
| Robot101 | how old is this server?! | 03:29 |
| johnx | also backup and reinstall if: you care about the integrity of your site, you don't want to have to deal with this again when you fail to find the backdoor they got in | 03:29 |
| CosmoHill | not that old | 03:29 |
| Robot101 | probably just whacky timestamps inside the tarball then | 03:29 |
| CosmoHill | I hope so | 03:30 |
| johnx | that's awesome. "We'll use old timestamps to make ourselves look legitimate ... then we'll install to /tmp" | 03:30 |
| Robot101 | do you keep your system up to date with patches from your distro? | 03:30 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 03:30 |
| CosmoHill | I am my distro :/ | 03:30 |
| Robot101 | ok, just reinstall | 03:30 |
| Robot101 | it's a nice exercise but really, production systems + no security updates = hack | 03:31 |
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| johnx | also, might want to reinstall a distro that's a little more update-friendly | 03:31 |
| Robot101 | yes, like, a distro. | 03:31 |
| Robot101 | (anyone seen archer? "do you want ants? because *that's* how you get ants.") | 03:31 |
| Robot101 | tracking the 100s of components that go into a system and keeping them up to date for the 10s of security advisories a week that come out is *excruciatingly boring* and it's a really good idea to get other people to do it for you so you can just go out drinking instead | 03:32 |
| chriadam | ^^ | 03:33 |
| johnx | Robot101++ | 03:33 |
| Robot101 | it's like compiling your own kernel | 03:33 |
| johnx | even modifying an existing distro is a huge PITA in the long run | 03:33 |
| Robot101 | the time in your life you waste doing so, versus the CPU cycles you might optimise away across the entire lifespan of all of the computing hardware you will ever own in your life = get someone else to do that crap for you | 03:34 |
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| Robot101 | laziness is one of the three programmers virtues :) | 03:34 |
| ljp | maybe he likes doing it himself | 03:34 |
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| Robot101 | yes, but he's not keeping up to date and it's a production system | 03:35 |
| * CosmoHill sulks cos he got hacked | 03:35 | |
| Robot101 | so it's a risk to his site / etc / data, as well as part of somebody else's botnet and causing a nuisance to the rest of the internet | 03:35 |
| johnx | CosmoHill, in a long enough timeline it's pretty likely to happen to any admin. The important part: Fix it, learn from it, don't let it happen again | 03:36 |
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| Robot101 | yeah, I've had loads of systems hacked, always via PHP webapps, because they are *everywhere* and *not packaged by distros* so people insall them themselves, don't update them, and they get out of date and hacked | 03:36 |
| CosmoHill | I think it's only happened farily recently | 03:36 |
| Robot101 | so by now I'm quite good at finding what else might have been affected and cleaning up | 03:37 |
| Robot101 | but, if your enire system is out of date, you could've been rooted or you could've been hacked multiple times | 03:37 |
| CosmoHill | thanks so much for your help in finding the bigger | 03:37 |
| CosmoHill | bugger* | 03:37 |
| Robot101 | and not know :/ | 03:37 |
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| Robot101 | you should upgrade your kernel, run checkrootkit, find files writable by the apache user, look in the usual hiding places which are world writable, check all the ther processes running as apache, etc | 03:37 |
| Robot101 | or, just reinstall it | 03:38 |
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| Robot101 | meanwhile, I'm gonna sleep, I have recklessly agreed to go the gym tomorrow morning :( | 03:38 |
| CosmoHill | I need to be up by midday :o | 03:38 |
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| johnx | Robot101, good luck, and good night | 03:39 |
| cb | well have fun sweating | 03:39 |
| johnx | CosmoHill, are you processing credit cards? | 03:39 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 03:39 |
| johnx | accepting user signups? | 03:39 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 03:39 |
| johnx | fix it good enough and then *immediately* on a separate server start bringing up your webapp in a real distro | 03:40 |
| CosmoHill | Checking `z2'... chklastlog: nothing deleted | 03:40 |
| CosmoHill | :/ | 03:40 |
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| CosmoHill | all that seemed to happen was that my LAN became almost unuseable :/ | 03:48 |
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| CosmoHill | night ngiht | 03:53 |
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| johnx | best of luck CosmoHill | 03:54 |
| CosmoHill | thanks | 03:55 |
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| GAN900 | Any good ARM netbooks running MeeGo yet? | 04:43 |
| johnx | ah, the efika mx would be my choice | 04:44 |
| johnx | but I think you'd have to BYOMeego :) | 04:44 |
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| GAN900 | Fine | 04:49 |
| GAN900 | As long as it isn't a super pita | 04:50 |
| GAN900 | I really want a 1GB OMAP4440 netbook. | 04:50 |
| johnx | no idea about the PITAness of it | 04:50 |
| johnx | but it is aimed at devs, so there shouldn't be any artificial barrier there | 04:51 |
| GAN900 | Atom still isn't anywhere near the appropriate power profile for me. | 04:52 |
| johnx | for everyday use, this might not be the ticket | 04:53 |
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| GAN900 | $250-$500, 1GB, OMAP4440, 16GB SSD, 720p screen 9-11". | 04:55 |
| GAN900 | That'd be about ideal. | 04:55 |
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| johnx | $350, i.MX515 800MHz, 512MB RAM, 16GB | 04:59 |
| johnx | http://www.genesi-usa.com/products/smartbook | 04:59 |
| johnx | it's looking very tempting, but I think I'll let someone else be the early adopter this time | 04:59 |
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| GAN900 | Keep is good construction and ergonomics. | 05:05 |
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| johnx | that's exactly what I'm concerned about | 05:05 |
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| * johnx trawls the intarwebs for anyone whose gotten their hands on one already | 05:06 | |
| GAN900 | s/Keep/Key | 05:06 |
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| b-man` | hmmm, dsme in nitdebian doesn't seem to be creating /tmp/dsmesock on my n900, yet is running as if nothing has happened O_o | 05:07 |
| b-man` | which explains why bme isn't starting | 05:08 |
| johnx | GAN900, well, there's ubuntu for the efika mx, so meego shouldn't be that hard. also, it's similar hardware to the Sharp Netwalker PC-Z1 | 05:09 |
| * b-man` jumps back to topic ;) | 05:09 | |
| GAN900 | I'd like the Netwalker, but it's just not quite right. | 05:10 |
| johnx | hmmm, one of the efika mx guys has a blog /subscribed | 05:10 |
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| johnx | GAN900, I couldn't help but feel the same. it's somehow too big and too small at the same time | 05:13 |
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| Krimpet | Hello; I've got MeeGo 1.0 with all the latest updates installed on my netbook, and I'm trying to get it to connect to a WPA2 Enterprise network. I tried creating a profile file in /var/lib/connman per the Connman docs, but I can't figure out what to do next; I still can't connect in the Networks panel. | 05:15 |
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| Krimpet | The profile I created, /var/lib/connman/rit.profile, looks like this: http://pastebin.org/817929 | 05:17 |
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| johnx | GAN900, also on my short list is the toshiba ac100 with a tegra 250, but I have doubts about how 'open' nvidia will be in providing drivers compiled for even semi-recent versions of x.org | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'm not really interested in any Tegra solutions. | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wouldn't use the term "fanboy", but TI has won a lot of loyalty from me over the past few years. | 05:32 |
| RaymondL | Hi, If I do not want to clear focus on a QGraphicsScene when a non focusable item is clicked. how can I achieve that? | 05:33 |
| johnx | well, i'm looking from a purely pragmatic PoV and tegra is not looking like the way to go if you expect to use any version of linux except the one they directly support | 05:33 |
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| RaymondL | Is stickyFocus the only way? | 05:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx, oh, yeah, that too. :D | 05:34 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago_home: what would you make of something like http://pastie.org/1145203 ? (we just enabled -arch armv6 and CXXFLAGS got picked up by qt fine, but everything else .. :) | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | (bottom is the interesting part) | 09:18 |
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| thiago_home | that reminds me | 09:20 |
| thiago_home | please enabled -arch armv6 :-) | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | we did, this is the result ;) | 09:20 |
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| Stskeeps | qmake doesn't seem to have picked up CXXFLAGS with the "-march=armv6" in it | 09:21 |
| thiago_home | yep | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | so everything qt 'based' is with a nice red failed right now :) | 09:21 |
| thiago_home | Qt doesn't like CXXFLAGS in the environment | 09:21 |
| thiago_home | and please use -march=armv7-a | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yeah, that's what i meant | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | my initial hunch would be to set something in qmake.conf | 09:22 |
| thiago_home | wait, this is mobility? | 09:22 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, and pretty much everything building with qmake i think | 09:22 |
| thiago_home | that explains | 09:23 |
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| thiago_home | qmake does *not* pick up CXXFLAGS from the environment | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | right, so how do we make it pick up the right optflags? | 09:23 |
| thiago_home | either modify an mkspec with the right flags, or re-run qmake | 09:23 |
| thiago_home | cd $BUILDDIR; qmake -r -o Makefile QMAKE_CFLAGS+="$CFLAGS" QMAKE_CXXFLAGS+="$CXXFLAGS" QMAKE_LFLAGS+="$LFLAGS" | 09:24 |
| thiago_home | add: $SRCDIR/projectname.pro | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | right, we'd probably go with the solution that doesn't mean modifying every single qt package | 09:24 |
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| thiago_home | let me check if the CXXFLAGS from Qt isn't saved anywhere... | 09:25 |
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| thiago_home | no | 09:26 |
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| Stskeeps | so best way is mkspec patching? | 09:28 |
| chriadam | could you just change the QMAKE_EXEC= definition in the configure script? | 09:33 |
| fabo | Stskeeps: I faced similar issue and I have modified configure at that time | 09:34 |
| thiago_home | well either patch it, or put the flags in mkspecs/qconfig.pri (which is installed from Qt) | 09:34 |
| thiago_home | either way, the flags become the default for any qmake-based project | 09:35 |
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| fabo | Stskeeps: I have added qt macros since beta2, it sets QMAKE_*FLAGS | 09:38 |
| thiago_home | we noticed yesterday a buildkey mismatch | 09:38 |
| fabo | packagers should use %qmake ;) | 09:38 |
| thiago_home | one of our developers was unable to get an SDK with meegotouch pre-installed, so he used Maemo5 | 09:38 |
| thiago_home | and then the build keys didn't match | 09:38 |
| thiago_home | which is when I noticed that we're using the slow and SMP-unsafe ARMv5 on MeeGo... | 09:39 |
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| thiago_home | fabo: what if the package offers a configure wrapper that runs qmake for you? | 09:39 |
| * thiago_home thinks the script should apply the env vars, so it's a bug in Mobility | 09:40 | |
| fabo | thiago_home: fix the configure script (meegotouch and qt-mobility are these cases) | 09:40 |
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| thiago_home | I agree | 09:42 |
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| thiago_home | report it at bugreports.qt.nokia.com for Mobility | 09:42 |
| fabo | ok | 09:42 |
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| fabo | Stskeeps: I'm starting to fix the packages, instead of modify Qt mkspec | 09:47 |
| fabo | thiago_home: do you know how the developers are writing the configure script for QMake based project? | 09:49 |
| fabo | form scratch, template, or something else? | 09:49 |
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| Stskeeps | fabo: uhm, that sounds painful | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | fabo: did you see how many packages there are? :P | 09:50 |
| fabo | Stskeeps: painful but IMHO the right way... | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | i'll just quickly read backlog | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | fabo: next question.. does spectacle use %qmake? | 09:51 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 09:51 |
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| peb | Morning Jaffa .-) | 09:52 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: ping (seen http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-September/005525.html ?) | 09:52 |
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| fabo | Stskeeps: I sent a patch to spectacle people, with qmake builder, it will set the qt macros | 09:52 |
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| fabo | so for qmake calls, a developer should set QMAKE*FLAGS as appropriate and for configure wrapper, these scripts should be fixed. | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | right.. my worry is that this is more of a 1.2 thing, as if i was a distro engineer i would freak at all qt packages suddenly being modified.. | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | what's the problem with modding mkspec? | 09:54 |
| thiago_home | fabo: from scratch | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | fabo: .. and that we can't afford at the moment to have ARM dead for a week while discussions are made :P | 09:55 |
| thiago_home | Stskeeps: the standard Qt way is to have an mkspec specific for your device | 09:55 |
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| thiago_home | so the easiest solution for now is to have the flags appended to mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf in Qt | 09:56 |
| thiago_home | that will propagate to all qmake-based packages | 09:57 |
| fabo | Stskeeps: I can mixup, use mkspec now | 09:57 |
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| Stskeeps | think it's just important to get the issue fixed soon, or we lose -arch armv6 :P | 09:57 |
| fabo | but I prefer to have the packages fixed in the long term | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | no disagreement there | 09:58 |
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| Stskeeps | though i am wondering about the rationale of not picking up CXXFLAGS in the first place :) | 09:58 |
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| fabo | no rationale, it's qmake :) | 09:58 |
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| fabo | it doesn't play well with env var | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:58 |
| * fabo replies to Peter for the action plan | 10:00 | |
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| Stskeeps | also, if you have time sometime, could you take current qt and try to build it on community OBS? it feels weird to me it takes so long time on meego OBS and takes an hour on community OBS | 10:01 |
| fabo | ok | 10:01 |
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| Stskeeps | if it's still faster on cobs, i'll prod dl9pf to see what is the issue | 10:01 |
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| Myrtti | humdidumdi | 10:55 |
| Myrtti | moin peeps | 10:55 |
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| fabo | mirek2: have you looked to my changes to libmeegotouch before submitting? | 10:58 |
| vlj | hi | 10:58 |
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| vlj | is there some "packman" equivalent for Meego that provides vaapi/vdpau enabled package for mp3/mp4/... playback ? | 10:59 |
| ali1234 | considering that nvidia driver isn't even supported... i doubt it | 11:00 |
| slaine | vlj, you'd probably have to package up the gstreamer ffmpeg module too | 11:00 |
| vlj | well vaapi is intel supported at least ;) | 11:01 |
| slaine | I'd done it for MoblinV2, but haven't had time for meego so far | 11:01 |
| vlj | slaine: where did you put such package ? | 11:01 |
| slaine | I hosted it on my site, one of the other reasons I held off, to see how a community repo would pan out | 11:01 |
| vlj | ok | 11:01 |
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| * vlj will receive his ac 100 tonigh *happy* | 11:04 | |
| vlj | hope it can boot on sd card | 11:05 |
| Myrtti | OOF. Meetup require a subscription plan? | 11:05 |
| * Myrtti looks at her credit card | 11:05 | |
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| afief | Where can I find the kernel sources used to build the Meego-netbook image? | 11:06 |
| vlj | afief: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/kernel-source | 11:06 |
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| afief | vlj, I'm getting a fatal error trying to clone that one "http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/kernel-source/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server?" | 11:08 |
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| vlj | afief: you ran "git clone git://gitorious.org/meego-os-base/kernel-source.git" ? | 11:09 |
| afief | argh, sorry just tried to clone the link you gave me | 11:09 |
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| Myrtti | oh bother | 11:10 |
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| dl9pf | Stskeeps: pong | 11:32 |
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| Stskeeps | dl9pf: ah, nothing conclusive yet - we were just wondering why it takes so long time to build qt on build.meego while we see 1hour builds on community OBS | 11:33 |
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| afief | I cloned the kernel-source repository but it only seems to contain script and spec files. Am I missing something? :S | 11:34 |
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| vlj | you have patches too | 11:39 |
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| Stskeeps | lo zenvoid | 11:39 |
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| zenvoid | hello Stskeeps :) | 11:40 |
| vlj | kernel is build from vanilla kernel (at kernel.org) and then by applying patch | 11:40 |
| vlj | (IMHO) | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: how's it going? | 11:40 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: good, I've made a new sb2 from scratch based on fakechroot :D | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: hehe | 11:41 |
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| zenvoid | not needed anymore for meego, I know | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | well, there's MADDE coming up :P | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | but since you had a powerpc.. :P | 11:42 |
| zenvoid | I'm currently cross-compiling lucid for smartq, it will take a while though :) | 11:43 |
| vlj | zenvoid: how do you cross compile ubuntu ? | 11:44 |
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| zenvoid | with a software I've created :P | 11:44 |
| vlj | ho k | 11:45 |
| zenvoid | I should publish it in a few days | 11:45 |
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| afief | vlj, thanks, will do that | 11:45 |
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| kyb3R | a little help. We are settign up Meego Network Tampere and we would need "MeeGo project can subsidize (Meetup) the first 6 months if your proposal is convincing" Any ideas who should I contact? | 11:45 |
| vlj | Meego Network Tampere ? | 11:46 |
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| kyb3R | yes, local group | 11:47 |
| zenvoid | vlj: based on fakechroot, basically just ld_preloads the exec call so when you exec an arm binary, it executes the same command under qemu (or from a native twin chroot) | 11:47 |
| vlj | what does that mean ? :$ | 11:47 |
| kyb3R | vlj: see http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Marketing/Local_MeeGo_Networks#Networks_in_the_World | 11:47 |
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| vlj | ok | 11:49 |
| kyb3R | I think it can be compared to LUG, kind of same thing/idea | 11:51 |
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| vlj | ali1234: did you got a non sse3 working meego ? | 11:54 |
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| ali1234 | no | 11:54 |
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| aladds | :) | 13:25 |
| CosmoHill | got it on both of my laptops :) | 13:26 |
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| CosmoHill | I'd rather have a program running in the background for email that logging onto a website | 13:27 |
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| aladds | depending on the service you might be able to | 13:28 |
| CosmoHill | I've tested it | 13:28 |
| CosmoHill | got both laptops open with mail open | 13:28 |
| aladds | ah | 13:28 |
| aladds | :) | 13:28 |
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| CosmoHill | selected an email on one and marked it as read, the other updated shortly afterwards | 13:29 |
| CosmoHill | it's MS Live@Edu thingy | 13:29 |
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| aladds | ooerr | 13:30 |
| CosmoHill | I like that my Junk mail says it has 8484 emails in it | 13:30 |
| aladds | :P | 13:30 |
| aladds | I'm suprised they don't just use outlook | 13:30 |
| aladds | my uni have outlook web access set up | 13:31 |
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| aladds | :) | 13:31 |
| CosmoHill | we had exchange 2003 but moved to this MS live thingy | 13:31 |
| aladds | ah | 13:31 |
| aladds | and they turned off pop and imap? | 13:31 |
| CosmoHill | which I've setup with mail and outlook within a day | 13:31 |
| CosmoHill | I'm using IMAP at the moment | 13:32 |
| aladds | :) | 13:32 |
| aladds | my GMail gets all my mail, then i get mail from that via IMAP | 13:32 |
| CosmoHill | the trick was to figure out that your username and email adress aren't the same | 13:32 |
| aladds | like it should be! | 13:32 |
| aladds | I hated servers which use the whole email address as the login | 13:33 |
| CosmoHill | they're both at @student.uni.ac.uk | 13:33 |
| aladds | it made Eudora break :( | 13:33 |
| CosmoHill | :o | 13:33 |
| CosmoHill | well instead of cosmo.hill@student | 13:33 |
| aladds | Eudora needs username@pop.mail.com | 13:33 |
| CosmoHill | it was CH54@student | 13:33 |
| aladds | so if it's student@uni@pop.mail.com it goes 'wtf?' | 13:33 |
| CosmoHill | wtf | 13:34 |
| aladds | because you log into pop.mail.com with your login | 13:34 |
| CosmoHill | I have mail on mac and outlook 2010 on windows since I just bought it | 13:34 |
| CosmoHill | not used outlook since 2003 or something | 13:34 |
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| aladds | outlook is silly | 13:35 |
| kyb3R | never used outlook | 13:36 |
| kyb3R | but then again, I don't use MS OS | 13:37 |
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| CosmoHill | I think the only reason I'm using it is because I can | 13:37 |
| CosmoHill | what I should do is what I do with web browsers | 13:38 |
| CosmoHill | use thunderbird on all the computers | 13:38 |
| aladds | I have to use outlook at work :( | 13:38 |
| aladds | Despite having a linux desktop | 13:38 |
| CosmoHill | version? | 13:38 |
| CosmoHill | okay... | 13:38 |
| kyb3R | aladds: :( | 13:38 |
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| aladds | we have vmware with outlook in it | 13:38 |
| CosmoHill | just outlook? | 13:39 |
| aladds | it's completely stupid | 13:39 |
| kyb3R | totally | 13:39 |
| aladds | office is installed too, but i don't use it | 13:39 |
| CosmoHill | that's a waste of proccessor and ram resources | 13:39 |
| aladds | yes | 13:39 |
| aladds | slowly, everyone's moving over to this setup | 13:39 |
| CosmoHill | my uni laptop is kitted out with lots of pricey software :/ | 13:40 |
| aladds | i really hope they work some other mail/calendar/room bookings/etc system up | 13:40 |
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| CosmoHill | lotus notes :o | 13:40 |
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| aladds | hah lotus :) | 13:40 |
| aladds | :P | 13:40 |
| aladds | for email? | 13:41 |
| CosmoHill | no idea | 13:41 |
| aladds | we used to use lotus for email | 13:41 |
| kyb3R | god damn! Lotes notes still alive! lol | 13:41 |
| CosmoHill | aladds: could you not use webmail for outlook? | 13:41 |
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| aladds | yes, but then the calendar and stuff doesn't work properly | 13:42 |
| aladds | it 'sort-of' works with evolution's outlook plugin | 13:42 |
| aladds | but loads of stuff is broken | 13:42 |
| aladds | like reading new messages (ones already read are fine | 13:42 |
| aladds | ) | 13:43 |
| CosmoHill | yeah I noticed that I read an email on outlook live and it didn't mark it as read | 13:43 |
| aladds | basically, until evolution is fixed, or they change the mailserver, everyone's going to have to use outlook in vmware | 13:43 |
| aladds | i guess it does at least make it easier to fix windows if it breaks | 13:44 |
| CosmoHill | wouldn't it use less resources to have people remote desktop to a VM or windows server which accepts multipole connections? | 13:44 |
| aladds | just swap in a new vmware image :P | 13:44 |
| aladds | i don't run the it setup, but yes it probably would | 13:44 |
| CosmoHill | ctrl + z for a whole OS | 13:44 |
| aladds | i actually quite like the idea of a terminal server | 13:45 |
| aladds | for businesses, that is | 13:45 |
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| aladds | i have a thin client at home in my shed | 13:45 |
| CosmoHill | I think i need to install it on my headnode | 13:45 |
| aladds | diskless, so the temperature fluctuations don't kill it :) | 13:46 |
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| aladds | I use vnc from it though, there's not a windows box in the house :) | 13:46 |
| CosmoHill | I had some thin clients I was gonna try and turn into firewalls | 13:46 |
| CosmoHill | binned the lot of them | 13:46 |
| aladds | depending on the spec they can be more than capable | 13:47 |
| aladds | some of them are a little bit wonky though | 13:47 |
| aladds | (IRQ issues usually) | 13:47 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm | 13:48 |
| CosmoHill | I think I can make up some boot scripts that WOL other computers | 13:48 |
| CosmoHill | so you turn on one computer then go away to make some coffee, you come back and all 20 are turned on and running | 13:49 |
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| CosmoHill | tekojo: ubuntu? | 13:50 |
| tekojo | kubuntu maverick :) | 13:53 |
| CosmoHill | close enough | 13:53 |
| tekojo | I still believe it every time it tells me to do things | 13:53 |
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| CosmoHill | can you give an example? | 13:54 |
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| tekojo | 'you need to reboot' :) | 13:54 |
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| CosmoHill | sounds like windows | 13:55 |
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| * CosmoHill is still pleased that he's gotten rid of the need to login to uni's webmail within a day | 13:59 | |
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| bkrawal | how can i create account to access "https://build.meego.com/" | 14:37 |
| vlj | contact an intel or nokia representative ? ;) | 14:39 |
| kyb3R | hack your way in ;) | 14:40 |
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| sx0n | probably writing 3nda and lla/pla | 14:42 |
| bkrawal | this is type of "open source" work going on? I was thinking i should be able to get access easily and or alternatively there should be another way to build MeeGo | 14:42 |
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| bkrawal | MeeGo is closed source project? | 14:44 |
| lcuk | no, the source is all available! | 14:44 |
| leinir | No, but which other open source project do you know which has no vetting process for contributors? :) | 14:45 |
| vlj | bkrawal: open source does not mean you can build the project | 14:45 |
| vlj | symbian for instance is open source, but you cannot build it without rtcw (which is not free) | 14:46 |
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| fabo | bkrawal: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615 | 14:47 |
| schoenemann | bkrawal: currently I have the same problem | 14:47 |
| schoenemann | bkrawal: but if you just want meego for ia32 you can use the sdk | 14:47 |
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| bkrawal | I am using Android in lot of solutions and it is very easy for anyone to build complete solution | 14:48 |
| bkrawal | vlj: so open source means just have chunk of source code and keep watching it :) | 14:49 |
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| bkrawal | leinir: Try with Android and you can see the difference | 14:50 |
| fabo | bkrawal: it's easy to build a complete solution on MeeGo too, you're just not familiar with the project itself | 14:51 |
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| vlj | yup | 14:52 |
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| peb | Fabo, how should it be done (as a hint to bkrawal?)? | 14:52 |
| bkrawal | fabo: You might be right, can you point me to some document from where i can start | 14:52 |
| smoku | bkrawal, "open source" means exactly this - you have access to the source. it does not mean that anyone is required to give accounts, processing resources, hardware access to you. | 14:53 |
| fabo | let's start by image creation: look at mic2, get ks files or write them for your project. | 14:53 |
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| fabo | then you'll need to take a look to the packages. | 14:53 |
| OlafsenM | hello guys | 14:53 |
| OlafsenM | one simple question: will meego become available for nokia n8 in the future? | 14:54 |
| fabo | bkrawal: http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation_For_Beginners | 14:54 |
| fabo | bkrawal: get ks files from http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/image-configurations/trees/master | 14:56 |
| bkrawal | fabo: looks great document, thanks a lot | 14:56 |
| fabo | and continue like that, test yourself, if you have problems ask on the channel | 14:56 |
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| vlj | fabo : mic is not a pure rebuild however | 15:04 |
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| luist | mbatle: hey im back.... about that git hash u gave me... i need the url to access it right | 15:21 |
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| mbatle | luist, in http://www.gitorious.org/meego-garage you have the urls of the 2 git repos | 15:24 |
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| lokesh | Hi all | 15:45 |
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| lokesh | can anyone help me with osc build command | 15:45 |
| lokesh | if i wanna build against a particular repo how do i do that | 15:45 |
| lokesh | I tried the below and had a problem: | 15:46 |
| lokesh | logoel@Lucky:~/OBS/home:logoel/fennec-qt$ osc build --no-verify Trunk standard i586 | 15:46 |
| lokesh | <lokesh> Building i586 for Trunk/standard | 15:46 |
| lokesh | <lokesh> Unknown build type: ''. Build description should end in .spec, .dsc or .kiwi. | 15:46 |
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| peb | is there anything like Visio for N900? DIA should run, but I've not found it in repository. | 16:30 |
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| lokesh | who is integrating openGL to meego ? | 16:40 |
| poutsi | device vendors? | 16:41 |
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| galeazzi_ | Hi | 17:06 |
| galeazzi_ | is there someone? | 17:07 |
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| * CosmoHill has a awesome dog in his house atm | 17:16 | |
| ScottishDuck | Cat > Dog | 17:17 |
| lokesh | is anybody facing build problem because of opengl stuff in armel targets? | 17:18 |
| CosmoHill | Im so gonna have to hover after he goes | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | lokesh: yes, it's getting fixed | 17:18 |
| lokesh | whats the bug ? | 17:18 |
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| lokesh | who is fixing it ? | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | qt maintainers | 17:18 |
| * CosmoHill has one hand to type with | 17:19 | |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: tmi | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | ;P | 17:19 |
| CosmoHill | otheris stroking fog | 17:19 |
| CosmoHill | stfu | 17:19 |
| lokesh | when can we expect it fixed ? | 17:19 |
| Termana | CosmoHill, is that what you named yours? | 17:19 |
| CosmoHill | he's called bobby | 17:19 |
| Termana | Your cat? | 17:19 |
| CosmoHill | dog | 17:19 |
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| CosmoHill | I don't have a cat | 17:19 |
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| CosmoHill | technically I don't have a dog but right now I do | 17:20 |
| knightstalker | Termana,I never heared that they name a cat 'bobby' oO | 17:20 |
| Termana | Oh, so you really did name your sergeant fog? | 17:21 |
| Termana | Stand to attention Sergeant Fog | 17:21 |
| CosmoHill | I was trying to type dog | 17:21 |
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| CosmoHill | f is between d and g | 17:22 |
| Termana | CosmoHill, Likely story when your being questioned for treason against the channel | 17:23 |
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| aladds | I think Sergeant Fog is a fantastic name for a dog. | 17:24 |
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| amjad | to relocate or nor that is the question :) | 17:28 |
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| luist | mbatle: can i use the git version of garage-client-services with that old meego netbook-ui? | 17:32 |
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| mbatle | luist, there are some changes | 17:39 |
| mbatle | it will not work | 17:39 |
| luist | mbatle: :P | 17:39 |
| mbatle | luist, you can try just to merge the diffs in your code | 17:39 |
| luist | mbatle: there are sooo many diffs | 17:39 |
| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/bobby.jpg | 17:40 |
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| kaie` | does anyone have any info on using an IRC client on meego? i found this http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=978 . the guy says to just mark the file as executable. but that doesnt work. | 18:41 |
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| kaie` | ive been googling for about 2 days and i cant find any info on getting any irc client on meego | 18:41 |
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| theplic | hi | 20:19 |
| SixThreeOh | How do meego and maemo compare? | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | maemo's a user product, meego's a platform | 20:19 |
| SixThreeOh | Technically... | 20:19 |
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| Stskeeps | maemo has a lot of ancient components | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | meego's up to date | 20:20 |
| SixThreeOh | Are they both operating systems? | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 20:20 |
| SixThreeOh | Based on Linux? | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 20:21 |
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| SixThreeOh | Does meego deviate from linux more than maemo (will there be greater difficulty compiling normal linux software for it)? | 20:21 |
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| Stskeeps | less, i'd think | 20:22 |
| SixThreeOh | under the hood, (ie, below x), is is basically the same? | 20:23 |
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| SixThreeOh | with the main difference being a custom window manager optimal for phone? | 20:24 |
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| Stskeeps | it uses a typical gnu userland | 20:25 |
| microlith | which reminds me | 20:25 |
| luist | mbatle: well that development version of garage has too many changes... i cant update mine right now... do you have any idea on how to solve that bug that i told you? | 20:26 |
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| mbatle | luist, not yet, I'm doing bug fixing now on latest trunk so I might be able to reproduce | 20:27 |
| mbatle | luist, can you provide info on how to reproduce | 20:27 |
| luist | mbatle: well its reported in the that bug you sent to me | 20:27 |
| mbatle | yes, the problem was that only happens from time to time | 20:28 |
| CosmoHill | bobby has gone :( | 20:28 |
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| mbatle | luist, any extra info you have from your own research ? | 20:28 |
| luist | mbatle: well it seems to happen with all backends... | 20:30 |
| mbatle | ok | 20:30 |
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| luist | mbatle: i have no idea how to reproduce the bug exactly... it happens "sometimes" when installing or removing :P | 20:33 |
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| Stskeeps | wb | 20:39 |
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| CosmoHill | hey Stskeeps | 20:47 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: intel terminology, what's a 'AR'? | 20:53 |
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| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: Action Required | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | (Action Required?) | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | ah, thanks | 20:53 |
| DawnFoster | in other words, work :) | 20:53 |
| DawnFoster | are Intel people assigning ARs to you already? | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | well, need to check up on some bugs, but seems so :) | 20:54 |
| theplic | can we fix bugs? | 20:54 |
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| Stskeeps | sure | 20:54 |
| DawnFoster | ARs build character | 20:54 |
| theplic | im too old to build character | 20:55 |
| DawnFoster | theplic: yes, please :) more details about the process for submitting patches to fix bugs: http://meego.com/about/contribution-guidelines | 20:55 |
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| theplic | can we suggest ui improvments? | 20:55 |
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| theplic | or will the ui remains like the one rite now? | 20:56 |
| DawnFoster | theplic: sure, those go in as feature requests, I think | 20:56 |
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| theplic | ok | 20:56 |
| DawnFoster | we'll always be improving and evolving things | 20:56 |
| theplic | ok | 20:57 |
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| DawnFoster | microlith: you can't run from ARs - the best way to assign them is when someone's back is turned :) | 20:59 |
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| microlith | I know I can't run, my entire group is former intel ;-; | 21:00 |
| microlith | hehe | 21:00 |
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| theplic | i just installed meego aside my windows 7 install. everything ent fine till i ran win 7. it over-rided the boot partition made and now my boot list menu doesnt load. it goes straight to windows :/ | 21:28 |
| DawnFoster | theplic: this thread has some hints for dual boot with windows (XP, at least - maybe some win 7 buried in there, too: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=1900#post1900 | 21:30 |
| theplic | thank you | 21:30 |
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| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: what add ons do you use for openttd? | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: big maps | 22:05 |
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| theplic | guys the delhi meego network proposal is on the forum | 22:08 |
| CosmoHill | want me to add it to the wiki? | 22:08 |
| kyb3R | CosmoHill helping again :) | 22:09 |
| CosmoHill | I like helping :) | 22:09 |
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| kyb3R | that's nice | 22:09 |
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| CosmoHill | okay why do I have "log in" and "log out" | 22:10 |
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| kyb3R | a webpage with split personality? | 22:11 |
| CosmoHill | I'll add Buenos too | 22:12 |
| CosmoHill | would be nice if the person who did the forum post did an english version too | 22:12 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm, already added | 22:15 |
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| kyb3R | that's funny. My first thought was to write first in English and then in Finnish... | 22:16 |
| kyb3R | which I did | 22:17 |
| kyb3R | am I turning to 'english' personality of what :) | 22:17 |
| kyb3R | s/of/or/ | 22:17 |
| infobot | kyb3R meant: am I turning to 'english' personality or what :) | 22:17 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: presenter info on TSG meetings looks really good, should help make the meetings less painful in some scenarios | 22:20 |
| CosmoHill | it was argantianian | 22:20 |
| CosmoHill | if that's a language | 22:20 |
| kyb3R | nice feature with the bot, but might become annoying overtime | 22:20 |
| CosmoHill | or word | 22:20 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: Thanks! I'm hoping it will help - we've had a couple of painful examples of lack of preparation | 22:21 |
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| CosmoHill | there's a meeting tonight? | 22:21 |
| CosmoHill | it's not tonight is it | 22:22 |
| CosmoHill | it's now isn't it? | 22:22 |
| DawnFoster | don't panic - next week :) | 22:22 |
| CosmoHill | oh good | 22:22 |
| DawnFoster | i'm trying to get people prepared - agendas, presenters, etc. | 22:22 |
| CosmoHill | cool | 22:22 |
| CosmoHill | swear jar? | 22:22 |
| DawnFoster | I always start my work on the TSG meetings about a week in advance. | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: hrm, not sure if it's mentioned, but if there's a requirement for 24 hours in advance, eventual presenters should know when they're getting scheduled for that particular TSG | 22:23 |
| DawnFoster | yeah, that work starts a week in advance :) | 22:24 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 22:24 |
| DawnFoster | it's the confirming the agenda that seems to take all week | 22:24 |
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| DawnFoster | I already have the presenters identified for next week, now I just need to get Imad / Valtteri to agree with me :) | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | i'm wondering if we should start having training sessions on IRC.. there seems to be an increasing amount of developers in the project and not all of them know how to develop meego | 22:26 |
| DawnFoster | w00t had started something like that - we should check with him. | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 22:27 |
| DawnFoster | now would be the perfect time to get it started | 22:27 |
| thiago_home | that might be useful | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | simple OBS tutorials would be good, too | 22:27 |
| thiago_home | some of our developers gave up trying to compile qtcomponents for meego | 22:27 |
| thiago_home | and they are experienced scratchbox users... | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | worst part is that it's actually bloody easy P | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:29 |
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| lcuk | lbt mentioned about packaging and obs sessions | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | hrm | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | blah, harbaum left | 22:30 |
| thiago_home | well, developing requires two things: toolchain and sysroot | 22:31 |
| thiago_home | where are they? | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | well, to build you need an OBS.. developing is a wider term | 22:31 |
| thiago_home | developing an app for MeeGo | 22:32 |
| thiago_home | not developing MeeGo | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | but you're right | 22:32 |
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| Stskeeps | i mean.. | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | i would be even happy with a sometimes-crashing sdk | 22:34 |
| thiago_home | I would be happy with a sysroot | 22:35 |
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| lcuk | does the Nokia Qt sdk allow meego target? | 22:35 |
| thiago_home | lcuk: not yet | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: we do have sysroot images built, just not in a rather friendly form | 22:35 |
| thiago_home | teach us how to add it, and we'll add it :-) | 22:35 |
| lcuk | or is the MADDE environment still just targetting maemo | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | on repo.meego.com | 22:35 |
| thiago_home | Stskeeps: yep, I know. You have to know how to extract that from the boot image. | 22:35 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, you are meant to say to meego "patches welcome" ;) | 22:35 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 22:35 |
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| vlj | hi | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | hi | 22:36 |
| vlj | thiago_home: ping | 22:36 |
| vlj | thiago: ping too | 22:36 |
| lcuk | afterall, thats whats said everywhere else :P | 22:36 |
| thiago_home | vlj: pong | 22:37 |
| vlj | ok | 22:37 |
| lbt | see rpm school on wiki lcuk | 22:37 |
| vlj | thiago_home: does the qt sdk for msvc 2008 works with visual studio 2010 ? | 22:37 |
| thiago_home | the Qt SDK for MSVC 2008 works with MSVC 2008 | 22:38 |
| lcuk | lbt, i was relaying that you already had things in motion - and since its part of the topic, drop a link | 22:38 |
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| thiago_home | why would you think it works with anything else? | 22:38 |
| thiago_home | :-) | 22:38 |
| thiago_home | not only MSVC 2008 only, it's the *specific* service pack level that we used in our build farm | 22:39 |
| vlj | I was hoping for some kind of backward compatibility | 22:39 |
| vlj | hm | 22:39 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging#Packaging_School | 22:39 |
| thiago_home | huh? Backwards compatibility? It's microsoft we're talking about... | 22:39 |
| thiago_home | :-) | 22:39 |
| thiago_home | they haven't learned that concept yet for C++ | 22:39 |
| lbt | lcuk: sorry... I'm actually working on the LDAP servers now... too busy for a bit :) | 22:39 |
| lcuk | ok !unco last post :P | 22:40 |
| lcuk | undo even | 22:40 |
| vlj | so I need to rebuild msvc from source completly if I want to use the things I have on my computer | 22:40 |
| thiago_home | vlj: yes | 22:40 |
| thiago_home | vlj: be careful: MSVC 2010 64-bit builds are useless in release mode. | 22:40 |
| vlj | will use 32 bits | 22:41 |
| vlj | seems to have less trouble than 64bits version | 22:41 |
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| vlj | there is no way to do a parrallel build of qt on windows ? | 22:42 |
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| vlj | there was some "dom" tools | 22:42 |
| vlj | or j something | 22:43 |
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| vlj | but it was available only i qtcreator | 22:43 |
| thiago_home | jom | 22:43 |
| vlj | jom yes :) | 22:43 |
| thiago_home | "jörg's own make" | 22:43 |
| vlj | hmm didnt know what it stand for before | 22:43 |
| thiago_home | vlj: btw, you're welcome to ask these questions in #qt and #qt-labs | 22:43 |
| vlj | ok | 22:44 |
| thiago_home | kinda off-topic for MeeGo... | 22:44 |
| vlj | well Meego is a targeted platform for qt ;) | 22:44 |
| thiago_home | yes | 22:45 |
| thiago_home | but MSVC and Windows aren't | 22:46 |
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| thiago_home | they're hosts for developing for MeeGo, though | 22:46 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: btw, one really difficult thing for openness which probably exists in open projects too in general - the tendancy of not using mailing lists, but those mails that go to sets of people like thinking 'this mail should go to chief architect, CO, this and this maintainer..' - i think this is quite heavily embedded in corporate cultures as well | 23:04 |
| DawnFoster | agreed - this is something we struggle with right now, and I've been trying to change that mentality | 23:04 |
| DawnFoster | but it takes time for some people | 23:05 |
| DawnFoster | I'm hoping a larger number of more targeted lists will help | 23:05 |
| CosmoHill | you want people to use the mailing lists more? | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: i'm not sure how to solve it either as i catch myself doing it too | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | when there's a hierarchy of sorts/nominated roles, it 'feels' natural to do it like that, so it's a interesting trap :) | 23:06 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: It's easy for open source projects to fall into that trap when they go from one developer to two: suddenly there are emails to discuss things, but no need for a mailing list. Which prohibits any progression of lurker to contributor. | 23:08 |
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| Stskeeps | jaffa, well, happens in other fields too .. i recall an advice to someone starting phd studies, get included in the CC lists of people's mails :) | 23:09 |
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| Stskeeps | jaffa, and i'm well aware of the consequence of this behaviour | 23:10 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Indeed. | 23:11 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: I know I've been doing it with Hermes when Fredrik Wendt started getting properly involved | 23:11 |
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| Stskeeps | but it's also about where the line goes on open development.. ie, what's the 'optimal' vs 'realistic and practical' | 23:14 |
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| Stskeeps | i mean, F2F meetings can be bad for open development, but is good for development in general | 23:15 |
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| thiago_home | as long as you post the discussions and conclusions from the f2f meeting, it should be ok | 23:17 |
| thiago_home | note I didn't say decisions | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | i still think there's some degree of merit to my 'best practices of working in a meego team' document.. i mean, as in, what's generally attempted/what is strived for | 23:18 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: But any modern organisation can't get too reliant on f2f meetings - people travel and get left out of the loop, or work from home and so on. | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 23:21 |
| Jaffa | A problem faced at my work unfortunately :( | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | we're just expericing the typical problems of a distributed company :) | 23:21 |
| Jaffa | Yup :) | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | and as such, even in a given workplace you have to pick your battles.. do i participate in the company summer party organisation and get all information flow about that, .. impossible to keep track of everything | 23:23 |
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| Stskeeps | in the end there'll be someone communicating what was agreed in whatever group was in charge of whatever effort | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | (which then sometimes gets protested..) | 23:24 |
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| Stskeeps | right, time for me to sleep, more work tomorrow | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 23:25 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, your post about best practices should be together with a link :) http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_Best_Practices_for_working_in_a_MeeGo_team | 23:26 |
| lcuk | it makes excellent reading | 23:26 |
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| rockhopper | Hi | 23:27 |
| rockhopper | Can anyone helpl me please? | 23:27 |
| rockhopper | I want to know how to connect my wireless usb internet device (HSIA) to meego! | 23:28 |
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| auke | is that a 3g or similar device? | 23:29 |
| lcuk | rockhopper, what happens after you plug it into your usb? | 23:29 |
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| rockhopper | It detects it as a usb storage device! | 23:30 |
| lcuk | does it have storage on it!? | 23:30 |
| auke | could be multifunction | 23:30 |
| auke | lsusb? | 23:30 |
| rockhopper | Yes it has, there's a windows drivers in it! | 23:30 |
| lcuk | oh, nice | 23:31 |
| rockhopper | No, its functioning in ubuntu | 23:31 |
| auke | can you see which drivers ubuntu loads for the device? | 23:31 |
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| lcuk | you could perhaps plug it into ubuntu and check then what drivers it uses | 23:31 |
| rockhopper | When in ubuntu, I installed usb-modeswitch to make it detect it as a usb internet device | 23:31 |
| rockhopper | usb-modeswitch | 23:31 |
| rockhopper | does those .deb files work in moblin or meego? | 23:32 |
| auke | no | 23:32 |
| lcuk | they will likely work about as well as the windows.exe you have ;) | 23:32 |
| rockhopper | Does .exe files work? | 23:33 |
| rockhopper | I mean the drivers | 23:33 |
| auke | no | 23:33 |
| auke | people have been looking into getting usb-modeswitch into meego | 23:34 |
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| rockhopper | Bus 002 Device 003: ID 12d1:140b Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. | 23:34 |
| rockhopper | this is what's being detected! | 23:35 |
| ali1234 | try eject -s on it | 23:35 |
| ali1234 | sometimes that's enough | 23:35 |
| auke | rockhopper: you can try the rpm's posted here: | 23:35 |
| auke | http://download.meego.com/live/home:/quanxianwang/testing/i586/ | 23:35 |
| auke | that will allow you to flip the device to 3g/modem state | 23:36 |
| auke | I'm not sure what else you need then | 23:36 |
| auke | but it's a start | 23:36 |
| rockhopper | Ok! | 23:36 |
| rockhopper | It that the only available option? | 23:36 |
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| rockhopper | Did anyone try to get usb-modeswitch for meebo like in ubuntu? | 23:36 |
| auke | you also need this probably | 23:37 |
| auke | http://download.meego.com/live/home:/quanxianwang/testing/noarch/ | 23:37 |
| auke | the -data rpms | 23:37 |
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| rockhopper | auke: Shud i download the usb-modeswitch-1.1.4-3.1.i586.rpm or the usb-modeswitch-1.1.4-6.2.i586.rpm? | 23:42 |
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| rockhopper | brb | 23:44 |
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| Mat_Matan | nocy dobrej wam (good night) | 23:49 |
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