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| lbt | well the community OBS now builds arm ... :) | 00:54 |
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| lcuk | lbt, next stop legs and torso? | 00:54 |
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| thiago_home | lol | 00:55 |
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| DawnFoster | ha! | 00:55 |
| lbt | woo uxlaunch-0.50-1.1.armv5tel.rpm | 00:58 |
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| thiago_home | anyone uses big-endian on ARM? | 00:58 |
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| lbt | after the maze of twisty shell/perl through cpio over http into xen vms... I don't care | 00:59 |
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| GAN900 | thiago_home, well, they might not now, but what about later? ;) | 01:02 |
| thiago_home | then they use "eb" | 01:03 |
| ScottishDuck | Will the next build be .80.17 or will it be a beta? | 01:03 |
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| GAN900 | Or "be" | 01:34 |
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| smithna | test | 02:34 |
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| DawnFoster | smithna: testing anything interesting? | 02:35 |
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| CosmoHill | bye | 02:56 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: to slow | 02:56 |
| alt-route | for meego, would the call API dependency look like this: Qt App -> Telepathy-Qt4 -> Telepathy-Ring -> Ofono? | 02:58 |
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| alt-route | eg. if I wanted to make a call in my QT app, I would use telepathy-qt4 api? or is there another set of APIs that would be even in a higher-level API than that? | 03:00 |
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| altroute | is the opennfc the NFC stack for meego? | 07:12 |
| altroute | is there a list of all the packages that make up a meego dist? e.g. what goes in the netbook edition vs mobile edition? | 07:19 |
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| dcthang | altroute: there is :) | 07:32 |
| dcthang | check this out might help u: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.0.80.16.20100824.1/ | 07:32 |
| altroute | dcthang: jackpot! thanks! | 07:33 |
| dcthang | welcome altroute | 07:33 |
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| qgilN900 | good evening stskeeps | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | evening qgil | 09:55 |
| qgilN900 | :) | 09:55 |
| johnx | evenin' qgilN900 :) | 09:55 |
| thiago_home | hi quim | 09:55 |
| qgilN900 | I was wondering why there hasn't been any answers to http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-August/001514.html | 09:55 |
| qgilN900 | when this was supposed to be a hot topic | 09:56 |
| qgilN900 | lbt here? | 09:56 |
| thiago_home | I guess you're preaching to the choir | 09:56 |
| qgilN900 | ??? | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | qgilN900: i think the fact we're heading for feature freeze in meego takes energy out of people a bit :) | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | qgilN900: but if you're wondering if it is possible to do what you're proposing, yes, that should be possible without closed bits | 09:57 |
| qgilN900 | fair enough, but then let's not put this topic for the CO meeting next week | 09:57 |
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| qgilN900 | (that was what I was wondering, among other things) | 09:58 |
| qgilN900 | ... and btw stskeeps I lended an N900 with micro-sd card to romaxa | 09:59 |
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| Stskeeps | qgilN900: excellent :) | 09:59 |
| * thiago_home wonders if PR1.3 will make it easier to boot MeeGo | 10:00 | |
| Stskeeps | hopefully we should have the meego n900 on qemu images ready soon as wel | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | l | 10:00 |
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| qgilN900 | midnight here & it's been a very long day | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | i'll make a response to the mail so we can continue the discussion | 10:01 |
| johnx | qgilN900, midnight? you hanging out in my part of the world? :) | 10:01 |
| qgilN900 | thank you stskeeps for letting me know that my proposal was not a technical absurdity :) | 10:01 |
| qgilN900 | we can talk about the rest when suits you best | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | qgilN900: not absurd, but we might need to drag in some API people from nokia to discuss what the implications are | 10:02 |
| qgilN900 | johnx, SF Bay Area is my home now | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | but i;ll answer and take it from there | 10:02 |
| qgilN900 | ok | 10:02 |
| johnx | qgilN900, still a bit far to come visit, but if you're in Seattle stop by and I'll buy you a beer | 10:03 |
| qgilN900 | maybe jumping on parachute in one of the visits to Portland... | 10:03 |
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| qgilN900 | or trying to sell MeeGo to MS? ;) | 10:04 |
| qgilN900 | who knows | 10:04 |
| qgilN900 | as you see, is time to sleep for my brain :P tomorrow more! | 10:04 |
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| vlj | hi | 11:00 |
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| vlj | ali1234: does dkms requires some patch in kernel in order to work ? | 11:04 |
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| thiago | no | 11:07 |
| thiago | dkms is about creating modules | 11:07 |
| thiago | it's just a set of scripts for managing the sources, builds and binaries | 11:07 |
| vlj | but how it can "rebuild" a module when changing kernel ? | 11:07 |
| vlj | I mean, how is it "aware" that the user has installed another kernel ? | 11:07 |
| thiago | there's an /etc/init.d that "starts" dkms | 11:08 |
| thiago | then it checks if all the installed dkms sources have their binaries compiled | 11:08 |
| thiago | if they don't, then it compiles and installs | 11:08 |
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| vlj | that mean you have to reboot in order for dkms to rebuild any kernel module ? | 11:08 |
| Bostik | vlj: dkms checks from running kernel version if the module is found; if not, the sources are built and module appears in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/... | 11:08 |
| thiago | you have to reboot to start a new kernel | 11:08 |
| johnx | or hooks in your package management system can handle it | 11:08 |
| thiago | if you're installing a new dkms package, it should compile & install the module | 11:09 |
| vlj | so the module are not loaded at the first start of a new module right ? | 11:09 |
| thiago | if it doesn't, then use the dkms script to do it | 11:09 |
| vlj | s/module/kernel | 11:09 |
| thiago | dkms build -m packagename -v packageversion -k `uname -r` | 11:09 |
| thiago | then repeat with install | 11:10 |
| thiago | right, the kernel boots without the new packages | 11:10 |
| vlj | so you need to reboot twice to get working kernel module ? | 11:10 |
| thiago | no | 11:10 |
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| thiago | are you trying to replace a module that exists in the kernel? one that might be already loaded? | 11:10 |
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| vlj | it's for the nvidia kernel module | 11:11 |
| vlj | it does not exist in the kernel ;) | 11:11 |
| thiago | as long as the nvidia module is built & installed before X starts, no problem | 11:11 |
| vlj | ok | 11:11 |
| vlj | and for other module ? | 11:11 |
| * thiago has used dkms for the nvidia kernel for 3 years | 11:11 | |
| vlj | for instance wifi module | 11:11 |
| thiago | same thing, unless you're replacing a module | 11:11 |
| thiago | you just either need to ensure that the older module doesn't get loaded, or that you can unload it and reload the new | 11:12 |
| vlj | ok | 11:12 |
| thiago | or, you can also build the modules before rebooting into the kernel | 11:12 |
| thiago | see the dkms command | 11:12 |
| vlj | what is the command to "remove" a previous version of a kernel module ? | 11:13 |
| vlj | I saw a "make" and a "clean" command in dkms config files | 11:13 |
| vlj | but nothing to remove old kernel module | 11:13 |
| johnx | you might want to boot your old kernel ... | 11:14 |
| thiago | dkms remove | 11:14 |
| johnx | ah, sorry. missed context | 11:14 |
| * vlj would like dkms to enter meego | 11:14 | |
| vlj | dkms remove is automaticaly done when installing a new kernel ? | 11:14 |
| johnx | vlj, "Have to call you back. Recompiling the drivers for my cell phone." | 11:15 |
| thiago | I think dkms remove is automatic when removing a kernel | 11:15 |
| vlj | nvidia kernel module does not like to see older version of itself in a running system :) | 11:15 |
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| thiago | I've done upgrades of the nvidia kernel module | 11:16 |
| thiago | it requires shutting down X | 11:16 |
| thiago | but I usually postpone upgrading until I'm about to reboot | 11:16 |
| thiago | I rebooted last week to upgrade to 2.6.35 and then took the opportunity to upgrade to 256.44 | 11:16 |
| vlj | johnx: I meant, for netbook version. It would allow easier management of non free kernel module | 11:16 |
| vlj | ok | 11:16 |
| johnx | vlj, :) I know. I just liked the mental image | 11:17 |
| vlj | :p | 11:17 |
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| johnx | (not least because I've done things like that) | 11:17 |
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| arfoll | Anyone have any idea what could be wrong with my package? Community OBS is giving me this but the package seems extremely similar to my other ones and I definately have an rpm_build_root | 11:22 |
| arfoll | http://pastebin.org/774222 | 11:22 |
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| vlj | arfoll: there is no error msg | 11:24 |
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| Stskeeps | morning dneary | 11:26 |
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| dneary | Hi Stskeeps | 11:28 |
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| Stskeeps | dneary: was there a gnome conference recently where the hildon discussion was taken? | 11:29 |
| arfoll | vlj, there is right at the end there is pipe closed | 11:31 |
| arfoll | that basically makes my build fail completely | 11:31 |
| vlj | arfoll: which line ? | 11:32 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, There was a GNOME conference | 11:32 |
| dneary | No specific discussion of Hildon that I'm aware of | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | hrm, ok | 11:32 |
| dneary | The board did talk about it, but I am not privy to their discussions | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | they had discussed a session or something on gnome-mobile | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | i guess it'll probably end up being lost on the floor from gnome pov then :/ | 11:33 |
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| dneary | Stskeeps, The situation is the same though - we still need a good idea of what changes would be needed to GTK+ to allow Hildon to be a 3rd party library shipping on top of a stock GTK+ | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: i did do a proof of concept building hildon on top of stock gtk+ though, on meego | 11:33 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, I recall | 11:34 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, I also rememer seeing a shortish list of stuff that didn't work? | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: the problem is actually the apps, which write against maemo gtk.. | 11:34 |
| dneary | OK | 11:34 |
| dneary | And can we do a diff from maemo gtk+ and hildon gtk+, and maybe integrate some of the Maemo specific stuff back into Hildon? | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | not impossible | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | the issue is also that there is many widget-specific changes, i believe | 11:36 |
| vlj | arfoll ? | 11:36 |
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| Stskeeps | dneary: my biggest worry is that there's not sufficient push for it and that many app developers would resort to recoding in qt instead of rewriting for 'meego-hildon' | 11:37 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, If we can make a shim layer (-compat) that makes it a simple recompile, we should mitigate that | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | i'll take a glance at the maemo gtk+ diff | 11:40 |
| arfoll | vlj, sorry stupid pastebin trunkated it | 11:41 |
| arfoll | vlj, ok it's here (i cut the top bit off a little) - http://pastebin.org/774404 | 11:42 |
| Stecchino | The ideal MeeGo dev environment appears to be one with intel graphics. I there anyone here that is using a recent thinkpad with intel and would recommend it? | 11:43 |
| vlj | Stecchino: Meego works on nvidia hardware too :p | 11:43 |
| Stecchino | There are more reasons to avoid nvidia though | 11:44 |
| arfoll | Stecchino, there are loads to avoid intel too... | 11:44 |
| vlj | arfoll: it is probably a but within nvidia | 11:44 |
| vlj | err | 11:44 |
| vlj | obs | 11:44 |
| vlj | not nvidia | 11:44 |
| vlj | bug | 11:45 |
| vlj | well the right phrase is "it is probably a bug within obs" | 11:45 |
| vlj | when launching the check-buildroot script | 11:45 |
| Stecchino | I'm pretty happy with my thinkpad R500 intel gfx. If the machine was just a bit thinner and lighter | 11:45 |
| arfoll | vlj, lol that's what I was thinking but most of my other packages that are basically the same (I reuse the same spec file for the libs I have). I tried rebuilding a few and they seemed ok | 11:45 |
| arfoll | I guess I'll wait | 11:45 |
| arfoll | Stecchino, just stay away from GMA500/600 and you'll be ok with intel gfx | 11:46 |
| vlj | I agree with that | 11:46 |
| Stecchino | I'll see what I can get | 11:47 |
| Stecchino | thanks for the help | 11:47 |
| vlj | gma 500 is the crappiest gfx chipset I ever have | 11:47 |
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| vlj | on windows it can't even run properly opengl | 11:48 |
| vlj | on linux it can't even run properly at all | 11:48 |
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| vlj | I'm wondering why intel is pushing moorestown in Meego if they can't even ship the driver for it | 11:49 |
| arfoll | vlj, actually it can run very well - they just have 3 different drivers | 11:49 |
| arfoll | none of which are fully featured | 11:50 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, Speak of the devil... | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 11:50 |
| dneary | I just got an email of the minutes of the July 25 board meeting | 11:50 |
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| vlj | arfoll: and none of them works on meego atm ;) | 11:51 |
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| FunkyPenguin | is it possible to have both googlegadgets-meego & googlegadgets-gtk together? | 11:51 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, http://pastebin.ca/1925741 | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: 'With Maemo 6 and Moblin neither Qt nor GTK+ apps just work.' sounds a bit misinformed | 11:52 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, It sounds like a secretary's summary of a more involved discussion to me | 11:53 |
| dneary | But hey... | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 11:53 |
| vlj | arfoll: did you put a #norootbuild at the top of your spec file ? | 11:53 |
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| arfoll | vlj, nope | 11:54 |
| vlj | well, you should | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | my personal view on it is that it's a hell lot of work.. i was looking at maemopad dependancies yesterday | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | (the example hildon app) | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | most of those apis it required are either dead or need severe modification to fit with meego dbus | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | apis | 11:55 |
| arfoll | vlj, just #norootbuild at the top? | 11:55 |
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| vlj | arfoll: # norootforbuild to be exact | 11:56 |
| vlj | it might work. or not. | 11:57 |
| arfoll | well it's worth a shot | 11:57 |
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| vlj | can I have a look at your spec file ? | 11:58 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, For example? | 11:58 |
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| Stskeeps | dneary: let's start with libosso, modest, bluetooth connection dialogs.. | 12:00 |
| dneary | maemopad depends on modest??? | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | from Mer i know the only way for those to work well is by having it in a maemo desktop setting | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, send mail :) | 12:00 |
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| arfoll | vlj, it's not better - http://pastebin.org/774566 and the spec is here - http://pastebin.org/774579 | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | there has been a lot of nasty coupling in maemo architecture | 12:01 |
| arfoll | it only got further this time because I tried disabling some of the checks | 12:01 |
| vlj | arfoll: remove -%(%{__id_u} -n) at the end of BuildRoot: | 12:01 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: I guess it would be worthwhile to try to setup free M5 target to see how this works out. | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: at least we'd see the pain points early on | 12:02 |
| arfoll | vlj, that makes no difference that was just me copying from one of my other specs | 12:02 |
| vlj | and remove %{?dist} at the end of Release too ;) | 12:02 |
| vlj | and remove rm -rf %{buildroot} in the %install spec | 12:02 |
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| arfoll | vlj, ok | 12:03 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Yeah, I guess I'll can take a look at it. | 12:03 |
| vlj | rm in %install is a security flaw according to obs faq | 12:03 |
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| vlj | and %{?dist} is not defined in obs too | 12:03 |
| vlj | arfoll: you're running it in local obs ? | 12:04 |
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| arfoll | vlj, I should fix that in my libmicrohttpd spec then - I was just copying it from there | 12:05 |
| arfoll | vlj, no this is on the community OBS - and the changes made no difference I still get a broken pipe error | 12:05 |
| vlj | well it may be a bug of obs | 12:06 |
| vlj | :/ | 12:06 |
| vlj | I have no clue what is the issue otherwise | 12:07 |
| nazgee | is anyone experiencing problems with UX fonts on beagleboard? Most of the words/menus look totally messed - there is no way to read these. If it helps - I am using beagleboard clone (igep0020), and beagle's handset kickstart file. | 12:08 |
| arfoll | vlj, too bad, thanks for the help anyways | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | nazgee: think harbaum has same issue | 12:08 |
| vlj | arfoll: what is you nickname in obs ? | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | nazgee: could you screenshot/take a photo? | 12:08 |
| arfoll | arfoll | 12:08 |
| vlj | thx | 12:08 |
| nazgee | Stskeeps: ok, not a ptoblem | 12:09 |
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| arfoll | vlj, ok it's looks like a community OBS problem because my rpm builds in my private OBS | 12:10 |
| vlj | ok | 12:11 |
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| vlj | maybe a bad worker | 12:11 |
| vlj | or a bug in rpm | 12:11 |
| vlj | report it to lbt | 12:11 |
| arfoll | ok i'll do that | 12:11 |
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| lbt | arfoll: here is good | 12:12 |
| lbt | X-Fade may see it too :) | 12:12 |
| arfoll | lbt, ok - well my package (imlib2) is in home:arfoll | 12:13 |
| arfoll | it builds fine in my OBS, but fails with a weird pipe error | 12:13 |
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| nazgee | Stskeeps: here is a photo of broken fonts: http://wgrajfoto.pl/pokazfoto/img0810/dsc00132ab4b.jpg | 12:18 |
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| nazgee | any help would be really appreciated ;] | 12:18 |
| lbt | arfoll: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=getOutputFrom%28%29%3A+Broken+pipe | 12:18 |
| nazgee | i wonder if I did something wrong, or there is a problem with e.g. TI's opengl libraries | 12:19 |
| arfoll | lbt, i've search for ages on the problem | 12:19 |
| lbt | but it seems to be an rpm/spec issue - yes? | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | nazgee: that looks a bit funky indeed | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | nazgee: what version of sgx libs? | 12:19 |
| arfoll | lbt, no because it builds fine in my local OBS | 12:19 |
| X-Fade | Might be a prjconf issue. | 12:19 |
| arfoll | X-Fade, I have no custom prjconf | 12:20 |
| nazgee | Stskeeps: i had tried on 07 and 06 | 12:20 |
| lbt | clarify "local OBS" .... we have people doing a local build and calling it "local OBS" and people with a full OBS install... | 12:20 |
| arfoll | lbt, full OBS install | 12:20 |
| nazgee | specifically: GFX_3_01_00_07_libs and GFX_3_01_00_06_libs | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | nazgee: hm, odd | 12:21 |
| nazgee | the only problem I had found so far is: AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) | 12:22 |
| nazgee | I havent' correct it yet, though | 12:22 |
| lbt | arfoll: and what's the difference between your OBS and this one? | 12:22 |
| lbt | you should be able to see the prjconf etc for all projects for both | 12:23 |
| arfoll | lbt, mine has rpmlint disabled | 12:23 |
| lbt | and if you disable it here... | 12:23 |
| arfoll | I could try but I figured the problem was before rpmlint | 12:24 |
| lbt | OK. so it's not an OBS sysadmin issue... ie diskspace etc | 12:25 |
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| lbt | so we need to figure out where it comes from | 12:25 |
| lbt | project configuration; prj version | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | if its the pipe issue, this happens on meego.com obs too.. | 12:25 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: sporadic? | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 12:26 |
| lbt | the : getOutputFrom(): Broken pipe | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 12:26 |
| lbt | is it something people hit randomly ... or is it more an FAQ | 12:26 |
| arfoll | lbt, it doesn't help to disable rpmlint | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | hits randomly | 12:27 |
| arfoll | Stskeeps, but it only happens on this package and all the time | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | excellent, reproducable | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 12:27 |
| lbt | OK .. so maybe #obs arfoll | 12:27 |
| vlj | lbt it works by me | 12:27 |
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| vlj | local build of his package | 12:28 |
| vlj | but see | 12:28 |
| vlj | https://build.obs.maemo.org/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=imlib2&project=home:vljn:branches:home:arfoll&repository=MeeGo_1.0_Core | 12:28 |
| vlj | I branched his package | 12:28 |
| vlj | I have the same error, but not at the same stage | 12:28 |
| vlj | so it is an issue with remote obs | 12:29 |
| vlj | err sorry it is at the same stage | 12:29 |
| X-Fade | Let me check for OOM issues on the host. | 12:29 |
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| nazgee | is there a way to neable mouse cursor easily? I am using LCD display instaead of touchscreen, and using it w/o cursor is a bit... tricky ;] I can see it when using pure X, but not when mcompositor session is used... | 12:33 |
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| lbt | hi tekojo | 12:44 |
| tekojo | hola! | 12:44 |
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| lbt | have you seen the latest thread on "Building apps which require proprietary code on the MeeGo OBS" http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-August/001507.html | 12:45 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: I'd missed your post | 12:46 |
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| Guest90120 | hi | 12:46 |
| Guest90120 | ummmm is anyone there? | 12:47 |
| Guest90120 | look i know you're all busy and stuff but hello? | 12:47 |
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| tekojo | lbt sure I saw it | 12:51 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: ah, you missed my post before sending yours? | 12:53 |
| lbt | yes | 12:53 |
| lbt | I think this is more a community/social issue though | 12:53 |
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| Stskeeps | it is a difficult one as you (likely) wouldn't want to build your gtk apps against m6 or meego, but what would peak your interest would be building qt apps for all three | 12:54 |
| lbt | yes | 12:55 |
| lbt | and the fact that after 6 months of building gtk apps on OBS for fremantle | 12:55 |
| lbt | it's a "click" to upload a "lets see about meego then" test | 12:55 |
| lbt | versus a complete learning experience | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | so, hrm | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | it is possible to make a m5 compatible target without the closed source.. | 12:56 |
| lbt | who cares... I really don't see the problem anymore? No one is actually complaining | 12:56 |
| lbt | it's all "someone might" | 12:56 |
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| lbt | well, we've shouted about it now... we've raised it to the CO | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | are we speaking about the closed source or some other item? :P | 12:57 |
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| lbt | closed bits | 12:57 |
| Kamyk_^ | hello all :) | 12:57 |
| Kamyk_^ | I have one question - Did somebody install MeeGo on webdt DT-366 Tablet? | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | lo Kamyk_^ | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | Kamyk_^: what kind of processor is it? | 12:58 |
| Kamyk_^ | AMD Geode™ GX 533 | 12:58 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: my point is... we seem to be holding back because of what might happen... | 12:58 |
| Kamyk_^ | it could be so old? | 12:58 |
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| arfoll | lbt, isn't that why people always hold back? | 12:58 |
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| Stskeeps | Kamyk_^: amd geode doesn't have SSSE3 so it won't work :/ | 12:58 |
| lbt | arfoll: heh | 12:58 |
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| Kamyk_^ | Stskeeps: MeeGo need SSSE3? | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | Kamyk_^: right | 12:59 |
| lbt | arfoll: we can now say "we asked for objections" | 12:59 |
| Kamyk_^ | Stskeeps: Do you know some Tables with SSSE3? | 12:59 |
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| arfoll | lbt, I'm pretty sure pure Free Software people have allready run away from the Intel/Nokia Meego | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: the question is also if this is meant to replace maemo.org extras or not.. | 13:00 |
| lbt | I'd say we now discuss it at CO level and propose to the TSG that we have done due-dilligence to identigy objections and now we "JFDI" | 13:00 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yes | 13:00 |
| lbt | for harmattan - certainly | 13:00 |
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| lbt | and so it makes sense to migrate extras too... but we can't plan that until we know if this is an option | 13:01 |
| Kamyk_^ | I found page with: MeeGo on nonSSSE3 x86 Hardware | 13:02 |
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| Kamyk_^ | It could be in future? | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | my personal opinion: show that with double packaging you can triple-compile your meego api app for m5, m6 -- cos that was the benefit we wanted to show by putting these things together, wasn't it? and to ease migration/differences between platforms | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | m5 users win as they get new programs that would ordinarily only have gone for meego/m6 | 13:04 |
| timeless | is there an url describing this double packaging? | 13:04 |
| Jaffa | timeless: Presumably it's a .spec file for RPM and a debian/ dir for DEB | 13:04 |
| timeless | how does one maintain this? | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: ideally qt sdk would write it | 13:05 |
| timeless | does something magically convert one way or the other? | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | if done right, there shouldn't be much difference | 13:06 |
| timeless | have you spoken to them? | 13:06 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: i.e. from Qt SDK's .pro file or whatevrer? | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: for example | 13:06 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: I doubt it does at the moment, though. And I bet it doesn't handle XSBC-Bugtracker, XB-Maemo-Icon-26 etc. Or exciting things like triggers. | 13:06 |
| Kamyk_^ | lbt: can you tell me somethings about install MeeGo on non intel hardware? | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: noone says that can't be added. i mean, spectacle retains changes in .spec across re-spectacle's for example | 13:07 |
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| lbt | Kamyk_^: not in general terms. The wiki is a good place to start. There is lots there | 13:09 |
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| Kamyk_^ | lbt: oki thx | 13:11 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: besides that, we have a load of packages in Mer that's very usable for our free-fremantle-api | 13:11 |
| lbt | yeah... but this is about semi-official support for Fremantle | 13:12 |
| lbt | I think the answer to "freedom" is MeeGo | 13:12 |
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| timeless | have you guys spoken to the MADE people? | 13:12 |
| lbt | not "lets hack at fremantle some more" | 13:12 |
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| lbt | timeless: do they hang about on the official meego chan? | 13:13 |
| timeless | dunno | 13:13 |
| lbt | heh | 13:13 |
| timeless | i've only really done f2f talks | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: they do, and publish minutes of meetings | 13:13 |
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| * timeless gave them a todo list | 13:14 | |
| timeless | they watched as i struggled through most of their product | 13:14 |
| timeless | and we took notes :) | 13:14 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: OK ... I don't hear much about it other than the meetings | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: #meego-sdk, was advertised in the toolchain meeting | 13:16 |
| timeless | stskeeps: do they have easy to find wiki pages? | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: /SDK | 13:17 |
| lbt | bbl8r | 13:18 |
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| sivu | gnnhnh | 13:20 |
| sivu | how can i make obs to publish rpms in :full | 13:21 |
| X-Fade | sivu: Tick the 'publish' box on your project? | 13:21 |
| sivu | x-fade, i mean the rpm files not build by the obs but existing in :full for dependency resolving | 13:21 |
| sivu | if i symlink those to the published directory, they get removed after obs publishes next self built rpm | 13:22 |
| X-Fade | sivu: bs_admin --rescan-repositor | 13:22 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: The moment the dev has to touch packaging for the target OS'es conventions (e.g. icons, bug trackers & homepages), the cross-platform promise of Qt is lost. | 13:22 |
| sivu | rescan doesnt do it | 13:22 |
| X-Fade | sivu: Ah, don't export to that repo. | 13:22 |
| X-Fade | sivu: Use the binary import repo as target. | 13:23 |
| X-Fade | sivu: You can even make it a subproject? | 13:23 |
| sivu | ah, yes | 13:24 |
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| messerting | Hi, in MicroB, is there any shortcut key to jump to the end of an internett page? Like "ctrl-end" or somehing? maemo/N900. | 14:00 |
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| creebefu | Hi | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | hi | 14:57 |
| creebefu | I don't know if anyone can help me... I'm trying to install Meego on my Asus Eee. | 14:57 |
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| creebefu | I've put the image file on a USB Stick using unetbootin, which has worked fine. | 14:58 |
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| zs | use dd for that | 14:58 |
| creebefu | It boots into it fine, loads the relevant files, then gives me options to boot, install etc. | 14:58 |
| creebefu | Whichever option I use, this comes up.. | 14:58 |
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| creebefu | warning: cannot find root file system | 14:58 |
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| niala | hello, | 14:59 |
| creebefu | create symlink /dev/root and then exit this shell to continue the boot sequence | 14:59 |
| creebefu | hi | 14:59 |
| creebefu | what's dd? | 14:59 |
| zs | creebefu: dd if=/meego_image of=/your/device bs=4096 | 14:59 |
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| creebefu | where do I type this ? | 15:00 |
| zs | in terminal | 15:00 |
| zs | what distro do you have? | 15:01 |
| creebefu | I'm currently running ubuntu netbook edition | 15:01 |
| zs | so open gnome-terminal or xterm :P | 15:01 |
| creebefu | what do I put in place of /meego_image ? | 15:02 |
| creebefu | and /your/device ? | 15:02 |
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| creebefu | I do apologise, I'm a n00b :d | 15:02 |
| niala | maybe you can type 'mount' in your term if your usbkey is already mounted to see what device | 15:04 |
| zs | creebefu: type fdisk -l | 15:04 |
| Bostik | have any of you tried to override shlibs versions in OBS builds (for debian package) by using debian/shlibs.local ? | 15:04 |
| Bostik | because either I'm doing it wrong or OBS worker somehow ignores the file; the thing does work as intended in normal builds | 15:05 |
| niala | creebefu, meego_image must be replace by image you have downoaded | 15:07 |
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| creebefu | ok thank you | 15:10 |
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| creebefu | should my usb drive be formatted as fat32 or something else? | 15:11 |
| zs | dont bother just use this command :) | 15:12 |
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| niala | why that's don't work?: find . -name 'gpk-*' -exec rename 's/./gpk-/a/' {} \; | 15:14 |
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| niala | i ll also try " instead of ' but that do nothing | 15:16 |
| creebefu | it can't open the image file | 15:17 |
| creebefu | do i have to put the img file somewhere specifically? | 15:17 |
| zs | creebefu: where is your image | 15:18 |
| creebefu | desktop | 15:18 |
| niala | are you in good repertory ? | 15:18 |
| creebefu | i've just called it meego.img | 15:18 |
| zs | right but what is your username? | 15:18 |
| creebefu | creebefu | 15:18 |
| niala | may be you must be root | 15:18 |
| zs | dd if=/home/your_username/Desktop/meego.img of=/dev/sdb bs=4096 <-- it could be something like this | 15:19 |
| niala | be care if it's not sdb | 15:19 |
| creebefu | yea it is sbd1 | 15:20 |
| zs | that's why I asked him for fdisk -l | 15:20 |
| creebefu | right, now it says permission denied | 15:20 |
| zs | be root then | 15:20 |
| zs | sudo su - | 15:20 |
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| creebefu | fs, now it says no space left on device..., which is not true, as the device is 8GB | 15:23 |
| creebefu | gr | 15:23 |
| creebefu | well it's copied something, imma try it | 15:23 |
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| zs | use sbd instead of sbd1 | 15:26 |
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| creebefu | ah ok | 15:27 |
| spyro | hey folks, | 15:28 |
| spyro | does anyone know if it is possible to get a session proposal modified ? | 15:28 |
| spyro | (for the meego conf) | 15:28 |
| creebefu | zs: still says no space left on device and has only copied 516 mb when the img file is 800mb | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | spyro: yes, you have until tomorrow sometime | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | i thnk | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | oh | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | modified | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | hrm | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | is there an 'edit' button? | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:30 |
| spyro | Stskeeps: I didnt submit it, and the person who did seems to be having trouble modifying it | 15:30 |
| zs | creebefu: pm me fdisk -l | 15:30 |
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| niala | why taht don't work? find . -name 'gpk-*' -exec rename 's/./gpk-/a/' {} \; | 15:45 |
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| jgaret | hello, i am trying meego on a touch only device (archos 9) I've successfully built an image thanks to this source (http://www.openaos.org/archives/508). The only thing missing is a touch keyboard (better if it opens automatically in any text fields, like with handsets) | 15:50 |
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| jgaret | is there something like that in meego ? I guess it might be in handset UX but I hardly find documentation on what is needed to have the handset UI working (other than using an already built img for Aava device (which won't work in my case) | 15:52 |
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| pavlix | jgaret: you could probably build an image for handet, just as you built the image you have | 15:56 |
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| jgaret | pavlix, do you know where is the documentation on the binary packages for handset ? (to know their names) | 15:58 |
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| jgaret | or some kind of debian tasks to install all needed packages | 16:01 |
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| jgaret | sorry, found them in patterns.xml in the repo | 16:03 |
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| spyro | does anyone know if it is possible to get a session proposal modified ? | 16:16 |
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| Stskeeps | file a bug | 16:16 |
| X-Fade | Doesn't seem possible, no. | 16:17 |
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| pavlix | jgaret: fine, I don't know much yet, anyway :) | 16:21 |
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| jgaret | pavlix: that's ok for me, I'm not really used to rpm package (more using deb) but I'm giving my first try, time to build the image with handset infos and I'll try to boot it ;-) | 16:23 |
| jgaret | what's the current version of meego ? 1.0.80 or 1.0 ? | 16:24 |
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| Stskeeps | .80 | 16:26 |
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| jgaret | Stskeeps : thanks | 16:28 |
| pavlix | jgaret: rpm packaging is very easy | 16:29 |
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| jniq | hi people! Should there be a zypp/er talk at the next meego conference, what would those of you comming there like it to be about? Any special subjects? | 17:29 |
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| Stskeeps | i'd like to hear about zypper at least, cos i don't know much about it | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | including scriptability and other things | 17:29 |
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| jniq | Stskeeps: alright, that would be an overview with i bit of focus on scriptability, great! any other ideas? | 17:32 |
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| Stskeeps | well, api and why it's better than yum or apt-get, naturally ;p | 17:33 |
| RST38h | It is better than yum or apt-get because its authors did not like yum or apt-get, of course | 17:34 |
| jniq | heh :O) | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: currently, we have both yum and zypper | 17:35 |
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| Stskeeps | why exactly this is, i have no idea. | 17:35 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: yes, I know | 17:35 |
| nazgee | This was asked here once (and received some feedback) but it actually led me to nowhere... Is anyone experiencing some problems with fonts dislplay on beagleboard? It looks like this: http://wgrajfoto.pl/pokazfoto/img0810/dsc00132ab4b.jpg | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | nazgee: there's a bug report about thi | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | search for garbled | 17:35 |
| nazgee | and I have no idea what is causing this behavior | 17:35 |
| nazgee | Stskeeps: thx | 17:35 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: You should also include yast and yast2 for completeness | 17:35 |
| jniq | Stskeeps: http://www.listware.net/201006/meego-dev/68116-meego-dev-package-management-in-meego.html | 17:35 |
| * Ronksu needs to find a display to start playing with beagleboard | 17:35 | |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | nazgee: initial reaction is SGX core differences to the SDK you're using, maybe | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | nazgee: out of curiousity, where in .pl are you from? | 17:36 |
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| Stskeeps | jniq: you might know this.. if a package requires: foo.so, and at same time provides it itself, will zypper/yum figure this out | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 17:40 |
| nazgee | Wroclaw | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | from warsaw here, living in poland, but originally from .dk :P | 17:40 |
| kristian_m | all the download on http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Emulator_QEMU seem to be brocken. where can i get a working qemu? - or does any qemu do? | 17:41 |
| RST38h | the message at this page says "Note: This page is under construction. Most links point to internal servers until July 31, 2010" | 17:42 |
| RST38h | Which appears to be pretty explanatory | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | i think they're on a different package now | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | page | 17:43 |
| RST38h | Nobody updated it AT LEAST since July 31 | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_with_QEMU | 17:43 |
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| jniq | Stskeeps: it's a bit unusual (why would you want it), but i guess zypper would not mind it :O) I/you can ask mls@suse.de to be sure - he's the author of the sat solver zypp uses. | 17:44 |
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| Stskeeps | jniq: someone screwing up somewhere in history so we need some odd packaging :P | 17:44 |
| jniq | i see :O) | 17:45 |
| jniq | Don't know about yum at all though... | 17:45 |
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| Stskeeps | well, i'll know tomorrow when everything catches fire ;) | 17:45 |
| nazgee | Stskeeps: I am using OMAP3530- would you suggest manually rebuilding SGX libraries (against my kernel), then manually installing it on rootfs, and finally trying again? Or should I wait for bug being investigated? | 17:46 |
| nazgee | btw- warsaw is not a place where I'd like to live ;] | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | hehe. i'm fine here ;) nearby airport, easy to escape | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | nazgee: doubt you can rebuild them unless you have some hard-to-buy source access :) does the SDK match with OMAP3530 ? | 17:49 |
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| nazgee | Stskeeps: I believe that it does | 17:50 |
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| nazgee | Stskeeps: I am near the airport too, but there is nowhere to go. They are everywhere ;] | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:51 |
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| th3hate | Stskeeps, is it worth getting class 10 mmc for meego? | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | th3hate: not sure, i'm thinking to get it myself.. | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | just to see the impact | 18:03 |
| X-Fade | Class 6 over class 4 made quite a difference for me. | 18:04 |
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| X-Fade | If the step to class 10 is even greater, then it would be really nice. | 18:05 |
| th3hate | the difference is significant nitdroid, it also eliminates heating issues | 18:05 |
| th3hate | in nitdroid* | 18:05 |
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| th3hate | Stskeeps, you think it would be possible to boot meego's image from eMMC in the future? | 18:06 |
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| MohammadAG51 | rsync to eMMC then boot | 18:09 |
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| MohammadAG51 | can't see a reason it can't be done | 18:09 |
| th3hate | MohammadAG51, it wont touch maemo? | 18:10 |
| th3hate | no need to partition the emmc? | 18:10 |
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| MohammadAG51 | you have to partition the eMMC | 18:10 |
| th3hate | there's always a risk of losing the files on it | 18:11 |
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| th3hate | if class is not written on mmc it's probably class 2 ? | 18:13 |
| Duckboot | th3hate: Probs - yes. | 18:14 |
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| th3hate | Duckboot, Nokia 2 GB microSD MU-37 | 18:17 |
| th3hate | any idea what class? | 18:17 |
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| Stskeeps | i wonder if i can even buy class 6/10 here.. | 18:20 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: probably can, at twice the price :) | 18:21 |
| th3hate | eMMC is class 16 afaik | 18:22 |
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| RST38h | eh? | 18:22 |
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| Stskeeps | th3hate: figure out if we can do root=LABEL=root without having a initrd | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:27 |
| th3hate | in grub.conf ? | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | no | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | this is a kernel command line :) | 18:28 |
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| th3hate | Stskeeps, you tell me.. can we :P? | 18:29 |
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| Stskeeps | dunno | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:29 |
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| odin_ | found a hotel for Nov under the shadow of Aviva for 61EUR/night, 9.99EUR/breakfast, 3EUR/hour parking while outside of your reservation www.grandcanalhotel.ie | 18:31 |
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| Stskeeps | 'grand' usually is a bad sign ;) | 18:31 |
| odin_ | hehe... photos on website look good enough for meh | 18:32 |
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| odin_ | the 61EUR/night/room is using a 3day 25% discount scheme | 18:32 |
| odin_ | just deciding if I should get a car for 80EUR for the 3 days, I bet 2 taxi fares to airport would be over half that | 18:35 |
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| odin_ | skip the car, 7.5mil from airport, just hope I can fight my way past football supporters on Wed 17th to get to airport 2h25m after planned closing time | 18:41 |
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| chakie | driving in dublin is not too much fun | 18:51 |
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| odin_ | canned the driving idea did not seem much cost/convenience in it, is RyanAir much fun ? I wonder.... seems to have the monopoly for me, ah well all booked now | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | it's about as fun as travelling in a packed van with geese | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | cheap, but it goes thereafter | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:55 |
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| odin_ | well this shall be my first lepricon flight with the infamous budget airline, hope I get a seat with that (yes he is promoting standing room only flights to the regulators!) | 18:57 |
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| Termana | odin_: to be sure to be sure | 18:58 |
| odin_ | what was that ? "take my own seat", I hear ? I didn't see the seat in the surcharges so I guess I must lols | 18:59 |
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| odin_ | can't complain the price is right, think my luggage is getting a window seat though (it has a more expensive ticket) | 19:02 |
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| devmod | Hello, I am trying to run meego for netbooks on linux with an nvidia card, it keeps on crashing after the gray screen on a GLX error (BadMatch (Invalid parameter attributes) Any ideas how to get this working? The handset version works just fine on the same machine | 19:52 |
| devmod | (Qemu approach) | 19:52 |
| CosmoHill | I don\t think meego supports nvidia yet | 19:52 |
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| devmod | Not natively but for developers apparently it should work. The same release for handset works on Qemu on thje same machine | 19:53 |
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| lbt | woo!! conversation on the MeeGo/Maemo apps building \o/ | 19:55 |
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| DawnFoster | lbt: :) | 19:57 |
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| DawnFoster | lbt: I really am trying to get an answer for you | 19:57 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: I know... thank you :) | 19:58 |
| lbt | I'm hoping we can get to the point where we say "look, this makes sense. No one minds. Lets recommend it as a JFDI to the TSG." | 20:00 |
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| DawnFoster | I'm hoping that we can just resolve it without taking it to the TSG | 20:01 |
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| DawnFoster | I emailed Imad / Valtteri to see whether they need to see it at the TSG or not | 20:01 |
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| lbt | DawnFoster: that'll do. A general comment at some kind of "community representation body" would be good though. | 20:03 |
| lbt | I'm happy for it to be the "CO" | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i think the problem of that might be that IT doesn't seem to be under CO anymore (i think?) | 20:04 |
| lbt | Jaffa: you know about community representation... | 20:04 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Which community? :-/ | 20:04 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I would be OK for this to be a "the community, as represented by the CO, doesn't mind" | 20:04 |
| lbt | Jaffa: MeeGo | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | either way | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | the question just has to be answered somehow and rubberstamped | 20:05 |
| Jaffa | lbt: In the absence of any other body to represent the MeeGo community it either has to be the CO, or the TSG. | 20:05 |
| DawnFoster | stskeeps: but it really isn't an IT issue as much as a policy issue | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: ah, true | 20:05 |
| Jaffa | lbt: The TSG will have it go on an agenda and then go "oh, we don't understand, can we discuss it again later" | 20:05 |
| lbt | Jaffa: exactly | 20:05 |
| Jaffa | </cynic> | 20:05 |
| lbt | so I want the CO to say "Say yes" | 20:05 |
| lbt | and have prepared some material | 20:05 |
| lbt | say "it's done the rounds twice with no serious dissent" | 20:06 |
| Jaffa | lbt: So, for day-to-day representations of the community, the CO is what we've got. If it has to go to the TSG, the CO should represent the community opinion. And so far, no one in the community has raised any objections AFAICS | 20:06 |
| lbt | "in our opinion" | 20:06 |
| DawnFoster | to be clear, I've contacted Imad, Valtteri, Ibrahim and Quim to see if there are any objections | 20:06 |
| DawnFoster | and asked if it should be handled by CO or TSG | 20:06 |
| Jaffa | So if the CO isn't - or doesn't feel empowered to make the call - it can make represent the views of the community. | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: let's wait on the indication from there then | 20:07 |
| DawnFoster | if there aren't any objections and it doesn't need to go to the TSG, we'll approve it | 20:07 |
| lbt | excellent | 20:07 |
| DawnFoster | if there are objections, then it will probably be escalated to TSG | 20:07 |
| Jaffa | DawnFoster: Coool. | 20:07 |
| Jaffa | -o | 20:07 |
| lbt | then we can actually start to plan Maemo->MeeGo migrations | 20:07 |
| DawnFoster | personally, I'm OK with it, but my email was designed to make sure that people really understood the implications of the decisions. | 20:08 |
| Jaffa | Interestingly, this seems to highlight again the need for a body to condense the community opinion, as the CO - from what you've said (DawnFoster) - is just saying "this is an issue, what do you think?"; rather than "this is an issue, the community thinks X; what do you think?" | 20:08 |
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| lbt | it was a good summary DawnFoster | 20:08 |
| Jaffa | (Maybe not "highlight again", just plain "highlights [for the first time]" | 20:08 |
| lbt | ie "we need a council" | 20:09 |
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| * Stskeeps doesn't personally see the need for a council, except maybe a 'union' of non-company-affiliated contributors | 20:09 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:09 |
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| j-b | Is OpenMax IL available on MeeGo? | 20:10 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: what does it do in maemo? | 20:10 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: what does what do? | 20:10 |
| lbt | council | 20:10 |
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| devmod | \ | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: not the best person to get to answer that question.. | 20:11 |
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| lbt | heh... well, your description isn't *that* far off. | 20:11 |
| lbt | though a tad ... coloured | 20:11 |
| lbt | I think MeeGo still needs some way to channel input from "the masses" if it is to be more than a corporate coalition | 20:12 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: one thing i wondered the other day (and what we're a bit guilty of ourselves even in meego n900) - outside l10n, co, do we have any people who are officially part of any teams/wgs/whatever and not paid/in some linked contractual relationship with either intel or nokia? | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | like, in the actual meego product | 20:14 |
| lbt | but... I'm off to gym... l8r and thanks for the ml comments | 20:14 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: enjoy | 20:14 |
| DawnFoster | not sure: I have a hard time figuring out who Nokia is paying :) | 20:14 |
| DawnFoster | my guess is not yet | 20:14 |
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| DawnFoster | we do have a lot of people contributing who aren't at Intel / Nokia | 20:15 |
| DawnFoster | Greg-kh and others from Novell for example. | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, novell counts i guess | 20:15 |
| DawnFoster | and some patches from people like timeless | 20:15 |
| DawnFoster | (outside of his day job - for fun) | 20:15 |
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| DawnFoster | once people start contributing more significantly, we can start nominating more people to named roles | 20:16 |
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| Stskeeps | i hope the obs upgrade coming up will help to some degree, as people can do anonymous viewing of the project | 20:16 |
| DawnFoster | that's why I've been spending so much time putting together contribution guidelines and trying to help people find out how to contribute | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | and perhaps easier submit requests/patches and such | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: yeah - really been a good job by you :) | 20:17 |
| DawnFoster | http://meego.com/about/contribution-guidelines | 20:17 |
| DawnFoster | I've added an escalation process (as you know) :) | 20:17 |
| DawnFoster | thanks! | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | even though it seems like the memo about signed-off-by didn't get around to everybody ;) | 20:17 |
| DawnFoster | I think he was distracted or in need of coffee :) | 20:17 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: lbt is right - that's basically a definition of the council: a way of abstracting and forming a view of the masses so it can be represented in one go to "someone else" | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: yeah, same with me on mondays :) | 20:18 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: For example, if the CO were to make a recommendation to the TSG of "what the community thinks", how long will DawnFoster wait for replies on the issue? :-) | 20:18 |
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| * Jaffa 's never entirely been able to work out who Nokia's paying to work on maemo*.org*, and that's supposed to be under the council's purview | 20:18 | |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: if dawn's fairly the same kind of character as quim as a community manager, issues don't just disappear into a black box without reminders :P | 20:19 |
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| DawnFoster | I just don't see "the community" as something separate that needs a council | 20:20 |
| DawnFoster | we are all part of the community | 20:20 |
| DawnFoster | it seems redundant | 20:20 |
| DawnFoster | I understand it for Maemo | 20:20 |
| DawnFoster | but don't see how it really applies to MeeGo | 20:20 |
| Jaffa | DawnFoster: So _will_ the CO make recommendations? | 20:21 |
| DawnFoster | we've set up a more robust governance model with working groups, the Linux Foundation and more | 20:21 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: ...and Quim found the council useful for gathering "what the community thinks" | 20:21 |
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| DawnFoster | Jaffa: if we are all part of the community, we see it first hand and don't need for it to be gathered. | 20:22 |
| Jaffa | DawnFoster: I keep hearing LF mentioned as part of the solution; how does the LF umbrella help represent developer issues with the community OBS; or packaging requirements or ... | 20:22 |
| DawnFoster | Jaffa: depends on the request | 20:22 |
| DawnFoster | Jaffa: the LF owns all of the infrastructure for example. Server purchases, hosting, etc. | 20:22 |
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| Jaffa | DawnFoster: qgil's part of the Maemo community but doesn't do day-to-day development on Maemo, so doesn't feel the impact of the issues of the decisions taken around, say, maemo.org Extras | 20:23 |
| DawnFoster | Jaffa: that's where it's different. The people doing day to day development are in the community | 20:23 |
| Jaffa | DawnFoster: As they are in Maemo | 20:23 |
| Jaffa | DawnFoster: I'm talking about people writing third party apps for the platform | 20:23 |
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| Jaffa | DawnFoster: Whether there are similar issues for people developing the platform is not something we know yet | 20:24 |
| DawnFoster | if the development is happening in the open, and everyone is participating in the same community, the "community" isn't really something separate. | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: i think it's a historic thing.. even in maemo.org nokians were part of community and there was a seperation between those that had commit (and company affiliation) and not.. there was literally no people without affiliation that had commit to anything, and those that contributed got hired ;) so i think the black box of development is what many people fear again.. | 20:26 |
| DawnFoster | yeah, and that isn't the way we are set up | 20:27 |
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| DawnFoster | that's why I think the council made sense for Maemo, but I think that MeeGo is different | 20:27 |
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| Stskeeps | it is, once we get to the point of discussions being properly in the open, hence my point about the union of unaffiliated to push the issues they see as blockers for this goal :P | 20:28 |
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| Stskeeps | but thinking about that.. | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | openness metabug is a better way to do that | 20:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I still think there's validity in a body that's elected and not beholden to managers. | 20:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Frankly, there's a lot of talk, but we'll see how it actually works out in practice. | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | on the other hand, a well voted bug on a issue seems more representative to me, than people speaking on my behalf.. | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | often more indicative of hot topics | 20:34 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Perhaps | 20:34 |
| Jaffa | DawnFoster: You might be right, it might be that we don't need a council for MeeGo in the future. | 20:35 |
| Jaffa | However, we're not in that position now. | 20:35 |
| Jaffa | (Not that I'm suggesting a council to act as a transition until that open collaborative community exists) | 20:36 |
| DawnFoster | I'd rather work to fix any issues than put something temporary in place that will need to be disbanded later | 20:36 |
| Jaffa | Of course | 20:36 |
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| GAN900 | I see a need for a body outside of the likely cronyism of meritocracy and as somebody to represent unaffiliated contributors (beyond just devs) | 20:37 |
| DawnFoster | I'd rather have people escalate any tangible issues - I tried to contribute x and couldn't because of y | 20:37 |
| GAN900 | But my focus isn't in platform or application development | 20:38 |
| DawnFoster | what have you tried to contribute and what was the issue (I need specifics to fix things) | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: well, that's where i would feel CO steps in to some degree, kinda like how quim manages the openness metabug - pokes people to do the right thing | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | if something's being slowed due to it's a corporate hot potato, it reflects badly on the project and is a press disaster, so it would probably not happen :P | 20:40 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Riiiight. | 20:41 |
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| Jaffa | :-/ | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: something's = a openness metabug | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:41 |
| GAN900 | DawnFoster, experience and expertise based on the 5 years I've been involved in maemo.org - the issues have been a general lack of response, stonewalling and an overall feeling of frustration and impotence. | 20:41 |
| DawnFoster | I spend a lot of my time poking people to make sure that things happen | 20:41 |
| GAN900 | Perhaps that's a personal problem, though. ;) | 20:41 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: There are other things corporate overlords can do which reflect badly on the project which won't trouble Nokia or Intel's PR machine. | 20:42 |
| DawnFoster | example: I escalated timeless' requests on the mxr.meego.com to get it taken care of before his vacation | 20:43 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Takes a lot of pissed off developers to make it into the Financial Times (especially for a niche, catch-up platform) | 20:43 |
| GAN900 | I think the fact that most of the Maemo community's major core contributors are burntout and disaffected (unless they're paid) is an indicator of problems. | 20:43 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN900: well, we did have quite a brain drain of people contributing => finding a job | 20:43 |
| Jaffa | Saying "we won't have those problems" can seem a little... optimistic. | 20:43 |
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| Jaffa | Actually, that's unfair. I'm sure we'll have whole new problems. | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | and now we get to feel the fun of a feature freeze.. | 20:44 |
| Jaffa | Which might be avoidable; so we constantly have to question practices and assumptions. | 20:44 |
| DawnFoster | but look at it from my perspective. I can continue to make improvements to make things better as a whole, but I can't solve years of frustration coming over from Maemo | 20:45 |
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| GAN900 | DawnFoster, you can, perhaps, avoid contributing to it, however. :) | 20:45 |
| DawnFoster | I can work on specific issues, make improvements to processes and escalate things | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, we need professional psych help for those years :P | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | after getting MeeGo onto ARM i've learnt to assume oversight instead of malice though when getting really odd pushback :P | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | everything's not always a corporate agenda | 20:46 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Of course | 20:46 |
| DawnFoster | GAN900: that isn't really fair (and I think you know that) | 20:46 |
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| Jaffa | I think it'll be interesting to imagine (and see) the day when there are at least two unaffiliated people on the CO; and how they got there; and how the "community" (and it's still not clear whether that'll extend as far as it does in Maemo, rather than fragmented, vendor-specific areas) | 20:47 |
| GAN900 | DawnFoster, when the kneejerk response to people wanting to test MeeGo on their Nvidia devices is "Why should Intel have to support its competitors?!" there's a problem. | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: people did actually get meego running on nvidia instead of discussing it first | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:49 |
| GAN900 | DawnFoster, so there's a specific issue you can work on. Tempering the response of your devs. | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: largely one guy... not much point to discuss with himself :) | 20:50 |
| GAN900 | Because an environment like that doesn't exactly bring in contributors by the dozens. | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: that does also relate to doubt and uncertainty of how things are actually cooked up to be included in meego, though | 20:50 |
| * GAN900 switching to GPRS. | 20:50 | |
| Stskeeps | which is an issue that's improving | 20:50 |
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| DawnFoster | and do you think that I don't talk to developer privately when they say something they shouldn't? | 20:51 |
| DawnFoster | I do this all the time | 20:51 |
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| DawnFoster | the reality is that what hundreds of developers say is out of my control | 20:51 |
| DawnFoster | I can (and do) provide coaching | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: thanks for doing that - us developers can get really riled up at times about issues | 20:52 |
| GAN900 | back | 20:52 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, resend last highlight? | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastebin.com/QL74VBTc | 20:54 |
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| Jaffa | DawnFoster: One thing which would definitely help in those circumstances is someone else clarifying that that's not the position of X, Y and the project. In a diplomatic way, of course. | 20:58 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, thanks. | 21:04 |
| GAN900 | DawnFoster, well, good to know, thanks. | 21:04 |
| GAN900 | But perhaps it's also an opportunity to a nice blog post about how to go about getting things contributed that you want supported. | 21:05 |
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| DawnFoster | I did just put this together http://meego.com/about/contribution-guidelines | 21:05 |
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| DawnFoster | and we had a discussion about it in meego-dev | 21:06 |
| DawnFoster | a blog post would be good, too | 21:06 |
| DawnFoster | maybe next week | 21:06 |
| DawnFoster | I'm plotting some other changes to add more mailing lists | 21:06 |
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| DawnFoster | http://wiki.meego.com/Community_communication | 21:06 |
| GAN900 | Things I can summarize on mwkn.net are helpful. | 21:06 |
| DawnFoster | I'm planning to send it out to meego-dev today | 21:07 |
| DawnFoster | and I need to work on some other documentation to go with it | 21:07 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: we should probably have some irc guidelines, or just basic generic ones at some point | 21:10 |
| DawnFoster | yep | 21:10 |
| DawnFoster | and mailing list guidelines | 21:10 |
| DawnFoster | good point | 21:10 |
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| Stskeeps | there was one topic that was up the other week, which was regarding discussions of leaks from companies involved in meego, how that lessens the ability of people to engage in what's essentially their workplace here.. | 21:13 |
| DawnFoster | yeah, that's a tricky one. | 21:14 |
| DawnFoster | on the one hand, we don't want to be too control freaky about what people can talk about | 21:15 |
| DawnFoster | but your point is really valid | 21:15 |
| DawnFoster | I think he was surprised that the whole channel went silent when we started talking about it :) | 21:15 |
| GAN900 | Just send them to ##meego. | 21:17 |
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| GAN900 | DawnFoster, anyway, I just hope you're aware of the perception problems MeeGo has in the Maemo Community and the frustrations many of those contributors are facing. | 21:17 |
| GAN900 | Whether or not you can do anything about it, I at least hope you keep them in mind. | 21:18 |
| DawnFoster | GAN900: I am aware of it, but I can only do so much | 21:18 |
| * Stskeeps is seeing people slowly migrating though | 21:19 | |
| DawnFoster | and I think Quim is more focused on the Maemo / MeeGo transition | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, RST38h is looking at qt :) | 21:19 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: yeah 6 months ago he was all "i'll never use a gui toolkit!!" | 21:19 |
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| Stskeeps | so change is happening | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | and with the weekly n900 images, more people are poking about and trying it out, seeing it grow | 21:20 |
| timoph | people are getting qobject_casted | 21:20 |
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| GAN900 | I'm worried we've already lost a huge potention contribution base, though. | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: in app development, maybe, in system development, i think we've gained | 21:21 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: If I've got to learn a new API, why not go to Android; which still has better developer tooling (though Nokia have, finally, been massively investing in that) | 21:21 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: No-one runs a system because it's a nice system though (except lkml readers) | 21:21 |
| Jaffa | And RMS | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: it's over a year ago since it was said that maemo was turning to qt and gtk+ would be community supported.. | 21:22 |
| ali1234 | why the false dichotomy? anyone sensible is interested in supporting as many different platforms as possible | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | it's not like it comes as a surprise that things may change, especially with the summit saying harmattan platform was -very- cleaned up :P | 21:23 |
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| GAN900 | ali1234, from whose perspective. | 21:33 |
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| ali1234 | mine. who elses? | 21:33 |
| GAN900 | As an individual contributor, I'm not interested in doing anything for a platform I'm not involved in. | 21:34 |
| GAN900 | Why would I do things for MeeGo if I own an Android device? | 21:34 |
| GAN900 | Only so much free time. ;) | 21:34 |
| ali1234 | oh, i see. i meant fromthe point of view of someone writing applications | 21:34 |
| ali1234 | the default position for someone like that is going to be android or ios, or more likely both. there is absolutely no chance of meego "poaching" them. the best you can hope for is that they *also* target meego. | 21:35 |
| thiago_home | if the Atoms are 64-bit, why are we building MeeGo in 32-bit mode? | 21:37 |
| ali1234 | thiago_home: only a handful are 64 bit | 21:38 |
| ali1234 | just like only a handful support vx | 21:38 |
| thiago_home | so not all? | 21:38 |
| thiago_home | I see | 21:38 |
| thiago_home | ali1234: well, we want to capture you for MeeGo by bribing you with Symbian | 21:38 |
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| thiago_home | you know, 120 million devices | 21:38 |
| ali1234 | symbian, yeah. no gtk on symbian... that's good enough reason to use Qt over gtk imo | 21:39 |
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| thiago_home | and by the segments where Android and iOS don't compete | 21:39 |
| thiago_home | IVI, STB, netbook | 21:39 |
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| ali1234 | at the end of the day "segments" don't mean anything, i just want my (hypothetical) app in as many app stores as possible | 21:40 |
| thiago_home | if that's the case, then you want to do the least amount of development possible | 21:40 |
| ali1234 | correct | 21:40 |
| thiago_home | http://cutehacks.com/2010/08/23/the-mobile-market-and-qt-featured-on-slideshare-net/ | 21:41 |
| ali1234 | as long as the effort required is not greater than what i stand to gain from it, then i would port to any appstore going, no matter what segment it was aimed at | 21:41 |
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| ali1234 | imo the effort required for maemo was way to high | 21:41 |
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| ali1234 | but like you said, Qt brings symbian support, that means the potential rewards are much higher | 21:42 |
| ali1234 | but i am not going to pick one specific platform and pour all my effort into it | 21:43 |
| ali1234 | "don't put all your eggs in one basket" as they say | 21:43 |
| thiago_home | yeah | 21:43 |
| ScottishDuck | I'll put my egg wherever I want | 21:43 |
| ScottishDuck | it's a free country | 21:44 |
| ali1234 | i see what you did there... | 21:44 |
| ScottishDuck | also, I don't like the system having gtk and qt at the same time | 21:44 |
| thiago_home | there isn't much more with gtk in the non-netbook segments | 21:45 |
| thiago_home | even moblin was phasing gtk out in favour of clutter-based apps | 21:46 |
| ali1234 | i don't "like" it but i don't dislike it either, and if i one had to go, well, that's a no brainer... | 21:46 |
| * thiago_home doesn't have anything against gtk | 21:46 | |
| thiago_home | I just have more in favour of Qt, but all the success to gtk too | 21:47 |
| ScottishDuck | I like gtk for desktop | 21:47 |
| ScottishDuck | but if you're on a mobile platform, stick to only QT | 21:47 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: The definitions of "community supported" for Qt & Hildon seem to be very different; and qgil's comments on the thread about community OBS & "supported" APIs leads me to question Hildon's viability (not discounting your excellent work at getting it working on vanilla Gtk+) | 22:21 |
| merbot | Jaffa: i'm already questioning viability of hildon in a meego context | 22:22 |
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| Stskeeps | er.. | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | yes, what merbot said | 22:23 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: i have some problems with my logger bot for some of the other #meego* channels, will be down for tonight while i work on a solution, should be back up tomorrow hopefully. | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | (just fyi) | 23:01 |
| DawnFoster | ok, as long as no one say anything interesting, we should be fine :) | 23:01 |
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| tyan_ | Just tried latest Meego coderop on N900 but it will not boot kickstart file sudo flasher-3.5 -l -b -k meego-handset-armv7l-n900-nokia-proprietary-1.0.80.16.20100824.1.ks | 23:04 |
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| Stskeeps | mikecomputing: you're trying to boot a text file :) you'll want to boot the vmlinuz after dd'ing the image (bunzip it first!) to the microsd card | 23:06 |
| mikecomputing | arggh | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | don't worry, you're not the first | 23:08 |
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| GAN900 | Is it worth bothering with yet? | 23:09 |
| vlj | hi | 23:10 |
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| ScottishDuck | I remember my first attempt at linux was gentoo | 23:10 |
| ScottishDuck | didn't end well | 23:10 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN900: go watch one of the videos and make your own conclusions | 23:10 |
| GAN900 | So, no? | 23:10 |
| vlj | what is the best driver for keyboard and the best one for mouse ? | 23:10 |
| vlj | I use evdev for both | 23:10 |
| vlj | but I think it is not that great | 23:10 |
| vlj | (alt+tab switch to vt for instance) | 23:11 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN900: didn't say no, :) i mean, thp made gpodder run on it, so it's not -horribly- uninteresting | 23:11 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: But ohnoes, it's Gtk+! ;-) | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but not hildon, which is another can of worms | 23:21 |
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| ScottishDuck | Invited to Sweden courtesy of PPSE :) | 23:22 |
| ScottishDuck | woo holiday | 23:22 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: I don't think thp would claim the plain Gtk+ version was usuable in a handset UX. | 23:23 |
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| vgrade | about time, http://edc.intel.com/Software/Downloads/EMGD/ | 23:26 |
| vlj | !! | 23:26 |
| vlj | am I dreaming ? | 23:26 |
| vlj | there are there ? | 23:26 |
| vlj | at last !!!!!!!!!!! | 23:27 |
| ScottishDuck | >release date: january 7 | 23:27 |
| vlj | release date : 01 08 2010 | 23:27 |
| vlj | 07* | 23:27 |
| vlj | ScottishDuck: 7 July actually | 23:27 |
| vlj | hope they won't suck as much as IEGD ones did | 23:28 |
| ali1234 | why are all the downloads .exe files? | 23:29 |
| vlj | because IEGD ones were | 23:29 |
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| ali1234 | and why is it 1006.3 MB for a video card driver? | 23:29 |
| ali1234 | *106.3 MB | 23:29 |
| vlj | because you have xp and linux version | 23:30 |
| vlj | among other thing | 23:30 |
| vlj | IEGD shipped with binaries for Xorg from 1.4 to 1.6 | 23:30 |
| ali1234 | why is there a box to select operating system... which gives you the same huge exe file no matter what you select? | 23:30 |
| vlj | you're asking too much question :p | 23:32 |
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| vlj | vgrade: you are making a .ks file for these ones ? | 23:32 |
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| vgrade | sec | 23:34 |
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| ali1234 | actually there are two downloads, one for windows, one for linux | 23:35 |
| vlj | this is the same file ? | 23:36 |
| ali1234 | no | 23:36 |
| ali1234 | it's different size | 23:36 |
| ali1234 | they are both windows exes though | 23:36 |
| ali1234 | what am i supposed to even do with that? | 23:36 |
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| vlj | well | 23:37 |
| vlj | I have used IEGD drivers in the past | 23:37 |
| ScottishDuck | All PCs have windows on them, obviously | 23:37 |
| vlj | so I can tell you what you should unofficially do | 23:37 |
| vlj | use wine | 23:37 |
| vlj | install all the craps that come with the drivers | 23:38 |
| ali1234 | this isn't IEGD, this is EMGD | 23:38 |
| vlj | then go in org.something.....drivers | 23:38 |
| ali1234 | apparently it is different | 23:38 |
| vlj | well not that much I think | 23:38 |
| ali1234 | well i can't be bothered to unpack this | 23:38 |
| ali1234 | but from the FAQ it looks like they still didn't even bother to make a wrapper layer | 23:39 |
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| ScottishDuck | most intel stuff is made for intel, rather than the unwashed masses | 23:39 |
| ScottishDuck | or at least thats the impression you get | 23:39 |
| ali1234 | lol, this exe contains JRE | 23:39 |
| ScottishDuck | ... | 23:40 |
| vlj | yup | 23:40 |
| ali1234 | brilliant | 23:40 |
| vlj | for eclipse compatibility | 23:40 |
| vlj | even if eclipse has no utility for this | 23:40 |
| ScottishDuck | couldn't they have used CDT... | 23:41 |
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| ali1234 | i don't even understand what this is supposed to be | 23:42 |
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| ali1234 | what is all this eclipse stuff for? | 23:42 |
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| vlj | dunno | 23:42 |
| ali1234 | given that it doesn't have the source code for the driver, what do i need eclipse for in relation to this stuff? | 23:42 |
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| ali1234 | i think the idea is that it can build driver packages | 23:45 |
| ali1234 | but only for supported OS | 23:45 |
| ali1234 | so basically all that crap is needed so that OEMs can make signed driver cabs for windows... and that's about it | 23:46 |
| ali1234 | well, except the windows stuff is in a different package | 23:47 |
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