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| daft | If you have a MeeGo Phone and mini usb to ethernet. you never need any other recovery tooling ever. right? | 00:04 |
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| thiago_home | recovery of what? | 00:07 |
| thiago_home | of your computer? or of the phone? | 00:07 |
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| daft | WIndows boxes ofc | 00:08 |
| thiago_home | I don't see how a phone would help you recover windows boxes | 00:08 |
| daft | sftp/netboot. with out how to get inet troubles | 00:09 |
| thiago_home | that depends on whether your box has netboot capabilities | 00:09 |
| thiago_home | live CD or USB are more reliable | 00:09 |
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| daft | really?? only things that never gave me install problems where netboot and the 3 Debian floppies | 00:10 |
| daft | and then again. a cdrom does not give inet access.. | 00:11 |
| mikhas | heh, nice idea actually | 00:13 |
| daft | ^^ | 00:14 |
| mikhas | even if I use a CD, chances are it'll be vastly outdated, so you'd need a ton of updates first | 00:14 |
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| daft | You can update you're meego boot image ^^ | 00:15 |
| daft | you use a cdrom to boot? Thats so 2009 outdated before you can burn it. | 00:17 |
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| mikhas | lol | 00:17 |
| daft | Or use a PC as a Meego Desktop terminal. | 00:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | sivang: got your email :) | 00:20 |
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| * timeless_mbp wonders how to sign up for the conference | 00:22 | |
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| * timeless_mbp tries clicking "sign up now" | 00:23 | |
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| timeless_mbp | can someone tell me if i'm "signed up"? | 00:25 |
| timeless_mbp | http://conference2010.meego.com/attendees doesn't seem to list me | 00:25 |
| DawnFoster | timeless: intel / nokia employees are being moderated | 00:26 |
| DawnFoster | we're trying to make sure that we don't fill up the conference with Intel / Nokia people thus leaving no space for other attendees | 00:26 |
| DawnFoster | timeless: I checked & you are in the queue for approval | 00:27 |
| mikhas | DawnFoster, makes sense | 00:28 |
| mikhas | so there is a quota then? | 00:28 |
| thiago_home | the point is that we want others to be able to give talks too | 00:28 |
| DawnFoster | not a formal quota right now - depends on how many people register & which talks get selected | 00:28 |
| Phazorx | could some of these underutilized intel/nokia employees help me deal with connman please? ;o) | 00:28 |
| thiago_home | oh, attendees? | 00:29 |
| DawnFoster | thiago: yep, attendees are being moderated | 00:29 |
| thiago_home | interesting | 00:29 |
| DawnFoster | with companies the size of Intel / Nokia, we could easily fill up the venue by ourselves | 00:29 |
| DawnFoster | this way, we make sure that the right people are registered and that we aren't way out of balance compared to other attendees | 00:30 |
| DawnFoster | we don't think it's going to be an issue | 00:31 |
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| jedix | Phazorx: what's your connman issues? | 00:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | thiago_home: hey | 00:40 |
| timeless_mbp | i was supposed to yell at you | 00:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | so… on windows and macosx "cancel" is not supposed to have an underlined letter | 00:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | you're supposed to rely on a cancel stroke (esc, cmd-.) | 00:40 |
| timeless_mbp | but i'm told that Qt's "cancel" button is underlining the 'c' in cancel automatically | 00:40 |
| timeless_mbp | can you please ensure that it stops doing that? :) | 00:41 |
| thiago_home | timeless_mbp: the style should take care of that | 00:41 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago_home: hr | 00:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | so, the project in question is http://bitbucket.org/tortoisehg/thg | 00:48 |
| timeless_mbp | the cancel button appears here: http://cdn.bitbucket.org/tortoisehg/thg/downloads/Screenshot-commit.png | 00:48 |
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| Phazorx | jedix: on bootup it never connects to favorite (and only) wifi network | 00:49 |
| Phazorx | if i press cancel folowed by connect = it connects | 00:49 |
| Phazorx | if i want for ~90 seconds it borks with an error, and i hit connect (after retyping samekey) - it connects too | 00:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | thiago_home: does QStyle happen automatically or do you have to create it manually? | 00:57 |
| thiago_home | it's automatic | 00:58 |
| thiago_home | defaults to the Mac style on Mac and the native Windows on Windows | 00:58 |
| thiago_home | (XP, Vista or 7) | 00:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | what about unix? :) | 00:59 |
| thiago_home | that's a lot more complex | 00:59 |
| thiago_home | it may default to Plastique, GtkStyle, Clearlooks, CDE or whatever KDE sets as default | 00:59 |
| thiago_home | or the MeeGo Touch Framework style on MeeGo | 00:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | heh | 01:00 |
| timeless_mbp | can you guess from the picture? :) | 01:00 |
| thiago_home | that looks like the Gtk or Clearlooks style | 01:01 |
| timeless_mbp | should it be underlining the C ? :) | 01:01 |
| thiago_home | I don't know, I never run that style | 01:02 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks Qt | 01:03 | |
| timeless_mbp | so i want to download Qt on OS X so i can run an app | 01:03 |
| timeless_mbp | and i get sent to http://qt.nokia.com/downloads | 01:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | from which i can't figure out how to download something | 01:03 |
| timeless_mbp | tl;d-want-to-r | 01:03 |
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| thiago_home | this link: http://qt.nokia.com/downloads/qt-for-open-source-cpp-development-on-mac-os-x | 01:04 |
| thiago_home | or this: http://qt.nokia.com/downloads/sdk-mac-os-cpp | 01:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | gah, qt.nokia.com/downloads/ looks awful w/o js | 01:14 |
| ShadowJK | Atleast you don't need flash to see content, I hope? | 01:15 |
| timeless_mbp | um | 01:15 |
| timeless_mbp | there's at least one youtube video (flash) | 01:15 |
| ShadowJK | Some nokia.com pages have habbit of putting a static image with hyperlink inside flash, and have the entire page built with that | 01:16 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 01:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | > Welcome to the Qt installer! This will guide you through the steps to getting Qt 4.6 Opensource Edition installed on your machine! | 01:17 |
| thiago_home | the video is just the lawyer explaining some licensing issues | 01:17 |
| thiago_home | choose LGPL :-) | 01:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | thiago_home: the spelling of 'opensource' there is odd | 01:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | err | 01:18 |
| timeless_mbp | wtf | 01:18 |
| timeless_mbp | did your guys not try using their .mpkg? | 01:19 |
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| ShadowJK | What is a .mpkg? | 01:19 |
| thiago_home | their who? | 01:19 |
| timeless_mbp | .mpkg = multi .pkg | 01:19 |
| timeless_mbp | it's the osx installer format | 01:19 |
| thiago_home | the .dmg contains an .mpkg | 01:19 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago_home: http://konigsberg.mozilla.org/qt463dpkg-installer-whitespace.png | 01:21 |
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| thiago_home | right, the .dmg also contains an installer program | 01:23 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 01:23 |
| timeless_mbp | that's the .mpkg | 01:23 |
| thiago_home | you mean the formatting? | 01:23 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 01:23 |
| thiago_home | I'm pretty sure it was fine last I tried | 01:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | i *just* downloaded it | 01:23 |
| thiago_home | I didn't test 4.6.3 | 01:23 |
| timeless_mbp | http://get.qt.nokia.com/qt/source/qt-mac-cocoa-opensource-4.6.3.dmg | 01:24 |
| thiago_home | I haven't been doing packages for a while | 01:24 |
| thiago_home | they were fine in my time :-) | 01:24 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 01:24 |
| timeless_mbp | should i try to file a bug? | 01:24 |
| timeless_mbp | btw, why did it offer me the choice of GPL or LGPL? | 01:24 |
| thiago_home | couldn't hurt, choose component Installer | 01:24 |
| timeless_mbp | did the lawyer mention GPL? because the download page didn't | 01:25 |
| thiago_home | Qt is actually tri-licensed with GPLv3 too | 01:25 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, i know | 01:25 |
| thiago_home | the LGPL license isn't "or any later version" | 01:25 |
| thiago_home | so the GPLv3 is offered in addition, but most people don't care | 01:25 |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't see a component installer | 01:25 | |
| timeless_mbp | it defaults to GPLv3 | 01:26 |
| timeless_mbp | which seems stupid | 01:26 |
| tripzero | thiago_home, LGPL 2+ is "or any later version" though | 01:26 |
| thiago_home | try Packaging | 01:26 |
| thiago_home | tripzero: that's not what Qt is though | 01:26 |
| tripzero | oh, okay | 01:26 |
| timeless_mbp | tripzero: it isn't + | 01:26 |
| tripzero | yeah | 01:26 |
| thiago_home | Qt is commercial, LGPLv2.1, GPLv3 | 01:26 |
| timeless_mbp | the lawyers aren't that stupid | 01:26 |
| timeless_mbp | in fact, the Qt lawyers seem pretty good | 01:26 |
| tripzero | does the "+" automatically mean v3? | 01:26 |
| thiago_home | GPLv2+ is "2 or later" | 01:27 |
| thiago_home | 3 is later than 2, so it applies | 01:27 |
| timeless_mbp | packages just has a bunch of packages | 01:27 |
| tripzero | so any downstream can chose 2 or 3? | 01:27 |
| tripzero | s/downstream/consumer/ | 01:27 |
| infobot | tripzero meant: so any consumer can chose 2 or 3? | 01:27 |
| thiago_home | timeless_mbp: project Qt, type Bug, component Packaging | 01:28 |
| * tripzero never clearly understood what that menas | 01:28 | |
| timeless_mbp | thiago_home: starting url? | 01:28 |
| thiago_home | tripzero: copyright holders decide which license they license their code under | 01:28 |
| thiago_home | timeless_mbp: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/secure/CreateIssue!default.jspa | 01:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | thiago_home: how do i know if i have an account? :) | 01:28 |
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| thiago_home | tripzero: licensees choose one of the licenses that the copyright holders provided | 01:28 |
| thiago_home | timeless_mbp: you'd know if you did :-) | 01:29 |
| thiago_home | timeless_mbp: just drop me an email and I'll ask the team to check tomorrow | 01:29 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago_home: i filed bugs against one of the bug trackers | 01:29 |
| thiago_home | one of? | 01:29 |
| timeless_mbp | you guys changed at some point, i think… i've found the bug i filed in the past | 01:30 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a royal pain to find, but.. | 01:30 |
| thiago_home | well, the older system didn't have accounts | 01:30 |
| thiago_home | so you must have account on the new one | 01:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | ah | 01:31 |
| thiago_home | the change is too late for RC1 though | 01:32 |
| thiago_home | packages are frozen | 01:32 |
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| TSCHAKeee | uuuuuuuuuuuggghhhhh. MODEST SUUUUUCKS!!!!! .... now it literally takes 5 minutes for me to open up my nokia messaging account. :( | 01:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | TSCHAKeee: i think you're in the wrong channel | 02:08 |
| timeless_mbp | unless someone has ported modest and nokia messaging to meego.. | 02:08 |
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| TSCHAKeee | yeah, you're right... | 02:09 |
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| zecho | hi , which is meego's appstore? | 06:50 |
| zecho | interl's Appup or Nokia's Ovi | 06:50 |
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| lpotter_ | probably both at some point in the future | 07:10 |
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| fabo | Aard: Qt Mobility update submitted | 09:38 |
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| michaelg|nok | fabo: which version is that now? | 09:40 |
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| fabo | michaelg|nok: still 1.0.2 except QtContact API updated to 1.1.0tp1 | 09:43 |
| fabo | michaelg|nok: I have added the QContactAction API | 09:43 |
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| mohan43u | I'm getting this error 'No protocol specified' when I run qemugl_cmd.sh.. | 09:50 |
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| mohan43u | someone please help.. | 09:50 |
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| mohan43u | I'm getting this error 'Could not initialize SDL - exiting' any solutions? | 09:58 |
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| jeremiah | lbt: ping | 12:59 |
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| kristian_m | hi | 13:13 |
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| lbt | jeremiah: pong... but.... I'm busy today... will be around tomorrow. | 13:44 |
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| vlj | do you know if archos Android tablet can work with Meego ? | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | which one of them? | 14:03 |
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| vlj | well, let's say archos 5 | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | that's omap3 or how was it? | 14:04 |
| vlj | no idea ^^ | 14:04 |
| vlj | some arm processor are not supported ? | 14:04 |
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| Stskeeps | if it's omap3, get 2.6.35 on it, powervr/sgx working, then it's probably a breeze | 14:04 |
| vlj | (powervr/sgx provides drivers ??) | 14:04 |
| thiago | vlj: do you have the flasher tool for that tablet? | 14:05 |
| vlj | no | 14:05 |
| vlj | i don't have the tablet | 14:05 |
| thiago | do you have access to the bootloader? | 14:05 |
| vlj | i'm just considering buying one | 14:05 |
| vlj | no idea | 14:05 |
| vlj | this is not a requirement ? | 14:05 |
| thiago | yes it is | 14:05 |
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| thiago | how are you going to make it boot MeeGo? | 14:05 |
| vlj | I mean | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: actually an angstrom exists for it, provided by archos | 14:06 |
| vlj | having a bootloader is not a requirement in order to run android ? | 14:06 |
| thiago | vlj: it is | 14:06 |
| thiago | do you know what bootloader that thing uses? Do you know how to make it boot MeeGo? | 14:07 |
| vlj | no sorry :/ | 14:07 |
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| thiago | if it's an OMAP3, it probably can run MeeGo | 14:07 |
| thiago | but someone must find a way of making it do that | 14:07 |
| thiago | it's not evident with ARM platforms | 14:07 |
| vlj | I would like to know if the future toshiba ac100 can do dual boot too | 14:09 |
| vlj | but no clue about that | 14:10 |
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| kristian_m | are the binary images for the n900 out by now? | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | yes, https://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php | 14:22 |
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| adeus | Not Found | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | er, without https, http | 14:24 |
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| Duckboot | Stskeeps: Any chance of seeing a image with modem-drivers on? | 14:28 |
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| Stskeeps | hopefully in the next weeks | 14:29 |
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| Duckboot | Stskeeps: Nice | 14:30 |
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| WillWork4Foo | hi all | 14:34 |
| CosmoHill | hi | 14:35 |
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| WillWork4Foo | I'm just having a look at Meego on my netbook, considering replacing Ubuntu Netbook Edition with it. It looks great! My only concern at this point is - I need to use a nonfree module in order to get my wifi to work. It's a Broadcom chipset, using the "wl" module from lib80211. It doesn't work OOTB, I'd need to install it. Ubuntu makes that pretty easy to do, you just tick a box and it happens. How would I go about install | 14:37 |
| WillWork4Foo | ing that in MeeGo? | 14:37 |
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| vlj | WillWork4Foo: do you have an atom based netbook ? | 14:38 |
| WillWork4Foo | vlj: yes, it's got an Atom N370 processor | 14:39 |
| WillWork4Foo | correction | 14:39 |
| WillWork4Foo | N450 | 14:39 |
| vlj | as far as I know, Meego try to be as open source as possible | 14:39 |
| WillWork4Foo | !!! | 14:40 |
| vlj | so you will need to build the kernel module for that chipset | 14:40 |
| vlj | + probably | 14:40 |
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| WillWork4Foo | so I'd need to manually go and hack it together and plug it in myself? | 14:40 |
| vlj | there is no restricted hardware manager like in ubuntu sorry | 14:40 |
| WillWork4Foo | surely not - meego doesn't have the ability to just click and accept some terms and conditions | 14:41 |
| WillWork4Foo | that's a bit of a big gaping hole. | 14:41 |
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| WillWork4Foo | since quite a lot of the netbook wifi chipsets are not natively supported by open-source modules at this time, I'd say that was an enormous gaping hole. | 14:41 |
| vlj | maybe the module is not that hard to install | 14:41 |
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| WillWork4Foo | hmm. | 14:41 |
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| vlj | you can try meego liveusb to see if wifi works out of the box but I think it won't | 14:42 |
| vlj | Meego is still new so it lacks some features, like a "non free" repo | 14:44 |
| vlj | however there are progress, meego can run on nvidia cards now | 14:44 |
| WillWork4Foo | I've already tried meego live on the usb. that's why I'm liking it | 14:44 |
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| vlj | and your wifi did not work ? | 14:44 |
| WillWork4Foo | I prefer it to Ubuntu Netbook, I think the interface is better | 14:44 |
| WillWork4Foo | no, the wifi didn't work. | 14:44 |
| WillWork4Foo | And before I make the switch, I wanted to make sure I wasn't shooting myself in the foot. | 14:45 |
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| WillWork4Foo | Can I install apt-get in meego? | 14:46 |
| vlj | no | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | no, we use zypper | 14:46 |
| WillWork4Foo | I know it uses RPM instead | 14:46 |
| WillWork4Foo | ah ok | 14:46 |
| vlj | Stskeeps: does it work ? | 14:46 |
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| vlj | I always used yum | 14:46 |
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| WillWork4Foo | so in that case can it use all the repositories that Redhat / Fedora / whatever can use? | 14:46 |
| vlj | I mean I use yum on Meego | 14:46 |
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| vlj | but it would be great if zypper was usable on Meego as I use it with opensuse | 14:47 |
| vlj | WillWork4Foo: theoricaly yes | 14:47 |
| WillWork4Foo | ok... | 14:47 |
| Carlx | bah | 14:47 |
| WillWork4Foo | that would be fairly cool | 14:47 |
| vlj | but you are likely to meet dependencies conflict, package trying to overwrite system part, ... | 14:48 |
| WillWork4Foo | fair enough. | 14:48 |
| vlj | you can submit a feature request in bugzilla | 14:48 |
| vlj | and ask on meego forum for help | 14:49 |
| vlj | describing the module ubuntu does use | 14:49 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: i thought someone ran into trouble w/ zypper | 14:49 |
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| Carlx | italiani ci sono? | 14:50 |
| adeus | should that .ks file work from there? I get a 404 | 14:51 |
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| vlj | which .ks ? | 14:53 |
| adeus | arm-n900.closed.ks | 14:53 |
| adeus | from that codedrop site | 14:53 |
| jeremiah | lbt: Okay, I'll try and catch you tomorrow | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | no no | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | get the weekly release ones | 14:55 |
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| adeus | ok | 14:56 |
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| adeus | how about "AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'is_meego_bootstrap'" | 14:56 |
| adeus | with the mic-image-creator | 14:56 |
| adeus | the older(?) moblin-image-creator works | 14:57 |
| WillWork4Foo | aha.... http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=147&highlight=restricted | 14:57 |
| WillWork4Foo | this looks promising. | 14:58 |
| WillWork4Foo | brb | 14:58 |
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| vlj | ali1234: you told me Ubuntu used dkms...does meego use dkms as well ? | 14:59 |
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| ali1234 | vlj: i don't think so but you can roll your own | 15:03 |
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| vlj | it is hard to build dkms ? :/ | 15:04 |
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| ali1234 | it's hard to duplicate all dkms functionality, but you only need to build one module | 15:05 |
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| * mdp wonders if the compliance people are on holiday/traveling | 15:14 | |
| Stskeeps | which question were your compliance one? | 15:15 |
| mdp | the question regarding the intent of the term "re-packaging" | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 15:16 |
| mdp | I think I caught that mskarpness was just a stand-in for that meeting...not sure who the real owners of the compliant plan are | 15:16 |
| mdp | s/compliant/compliance/ | 15:16 |
| infobot | mdp meant: I think I caught that mskarpness was just a stand-in for that meeting...not sure who the real owners of the compliance plan are | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | mdp: nah, he's in charge of compliance | 15:17 |
| mdp | ok | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | even on /about/governance and all | 15:17 |
| mdp | :) | 15:17 |
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| mdp | hrm, not finding email for him | 15:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | thiago: ping | 16:22 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: pong | 16:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | you were going to hunt for an account? | 16:23 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: no, I was going to tell the guys about the issue you found | 16:23 |
| thiago | I have already :-) | 16:23 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, that's better | 16:23 |
| Macer | run and tell that! | 16:26 |
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| RST38h | thiago: Got a question that I hope you may be able to answer | 16:29 |
| RST38h | thiago: Does QPainter::scale() affect further calls to QPainter::drawImage()? | 16:29 |
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| thiago | RST38h: I don't know | 16:33 |
| thiago | you need to ask that in #qt | 16:33 |
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| RST38h | thiago: #qt does not know | 16:41 |
| RST38h | oh well | 16:41 |
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| thiago | #qt-labs does, but that's a user question... | 16:41 |
| RST38h | ok, let me try qt-labs | 16:42 |
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| Stskeeps | morn anaZ | 16:46 |
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| newb | help please, I get "error: cannot open Packages database in /var/tmp/imgcreate-XimY_u/install_root/var/lib/rpm" | 16:46 |
| newb | and then "yum.Errors.YumBaseError: Error: rpmdb open failed" | 16:47 |
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| RST38h | thiago: Not much luck there either. | 16:49 |
| thiago | RST38h: you did get an answer | 16:50 |
| thiago | 15:43 <+gunnar> RST38h: it does | 16:50 |
| RST38h | thiago: Yes, half of it | 16:50 |
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| thiago | what it uses depends on the painting backend | 16:50 |
| thiago | if you're using the raster engine, it uses SIMD-optimised methods | 16:50 |
| RST38h | thiago: Ok, let me clarify: N900. Maemo5. Qt 4.7. | 16:50 |
| thiago | if you're using the native engine, it will use XRender if possible (and not slow) | 16:50 |
| thiago | if you're using the opengles engine, it will use OpenGL ES | 16:51 |
| thiago | that version defaults to the native engine | 16:51 |
| thiago | try running your app with the three engines and measure results | 16:51 |
| thiago | appname -graphicssystem native|raster|opengles | 16:51 |
| RST38h | ah, interresting =) | 16:51 |
| RST38h | Does Maemo5 Qt implement the opengles engine at all? | 16:52 |
| thiago | yes | 16:52 |
| thiago | though you may find that the raster engine produces better results | 16:52 |
| thiago | it just consumes more CPU | 16:52 |
| thiago | the SGX and the GL driver aren't very good on the N900 | 16:53 |
| RST38h | thiago: raster will be slower than my own code | 16:53 |
| thiago | your code is GL? | 16:53 |
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| RST38h | opengles has a remote chance to be faster | 16:53 |
| RST38h | no, arm assembly hand-optimized for a fixed set of scale ratios | 16:54 |
| thiago | ah, I see | 16:54 |
| thiago | then I actually doubt that it'll be any faster | 16:54 |
| thiago | good assembly code, especially if you used Neon, will probably be faster | 16:54 |
| RST38h | thiago: not even using neon | 16:55 |
| RST38h | thiago: carefully looked at neon instruction set, nothing that can be used directly there | 16:55 |
| thiago | http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/08/24/improving-the-rendering-performance-with-more-simd/ | 16:56 |
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| RST38h | thiago: yea, I am doing all this stuff with generic arm instructions | 16:56 |
| thiago | but if you can do SIMD, wouldn't it be somewhat faster? | 16:57 |
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| RST38h | no | 16:57 |
| RST38h | Consider this | 16:57 |
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| RST38h | Take 5:6:5 color (used in Maemo), that is 16 bits. Spread then to | 16:59 |
| RST38h | 30 bits (10 per component) | 16:59 |
| RST38h | You can use one bit per component to detect overflow, and 4 for fractional part | 16:59 |
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| RST38h | You can now do the standard stuff (ADD, SUB, shifts) on these, in SIMD fashion | 17:00 |
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| RST38h | Doing the same with Neon is also possible but it will not be faster: Neon sits at the end of something like 11-stage pipeline and uses specific data formats | 17:00 |
| RST38h | which you will have to convert to/from using... right, generic ARM instructions :) | 17:01 |
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| niala | nick koupsaa | 17:21 |
| niala | oups sorry hello | 17:21 |
| CosmoHill | hi | 17:23 |
| niala | ah \/nick koupsaa don't work ? | 17:24 |
| CosmoHill | already in use | 17:25 |
| CosmoHill | you'd probably have to wait for it to time out | 17:25 |
| timeless_mbp | or register and rely on ghost killings | 17:25 |
| CosmoHill | I read that as global :/ | 17:26 |
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| CosmoHill | well I'm off to fix a PC, bye bye | 17:26 |
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| niala | the problem today is: gpk-application gpk-xxx disappeared in panel-application ??? :) lol but desktop file are in /usr/share/applications and progs gpk-xxx works from term | 17:27 |
| niala | curious isn-t it? | 17:29 |
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| niala | second: https://build.meego.com/ chromium tell me not a valid certificat | 17:30 |
| niala | should I accept certificate? | 17:31 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 17:31 |
| X-Fade | niala: Decide if you trust the Intel CA. | 17:31 |
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| niala | mmm intel can't have a valid certificat ? :p | 17:32 |
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| DawnFoster | was it an intel certificate? | 17:33 |
| X-Fade | Your browser doesn't know every item in the CA chain. | 17:33 |
| DawnFoster | should be Linux Foundation | 17:33 |
| DawnFoster | I've had issues with chrome / chromium not recognizing valid certs (even from Google) :) | 17:34 |
| X-Fade | DawnFoster: Intel External Basic Issuing CA 3A | 17:34 |
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| Stskeeps | subject=/C=US/ST=Oregon/L=Hillsboro/O=MeeGo Project/OU=Build Service/CN=api.meego.com/emailAddress=build@meego.com | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | issuer=/C=US/O=Intel Corporation/CN=Intel External Basic Issuing CA 3A | 17:34 |
| DawnFoster | ok, thanks - I'll file a bug to get it changed | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | so i guess it qualifies for LF :) | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: i think it's just signed by intel, unless LF has their own CA | 17:35 |
| DawnFoster | issuer shouldn't be Intel, it should be LF | 17:35 |
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| niala | cool my first bug! :) | 17:35 |
| X-Fade | DawnFoster: No, the issuer should be a known CA. | 17:35 |
| * thiago agrees | 17:35 | |
| X-Fade | DawnFoster: And LF isn't. | 17:35 |
| thiago | without a valid CA, all browsers will give a warning | 17:36 |
| DawnFoster | hmmm | 17:36 |
| X-Fade | DawnFoster: It should be verisign, thawte or something like that. | 17:36 |
| X-Fade | Notice that https://meego.com, does use a proper CA. | 17:36 |
| DawnFoster | well, it probably shouldn't be Intel - I'll let the sys admins figure out the right one | 17:36 |
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| X-Fade | Hehe, godaddy.com ;) | 17:37 |
| DawnFoster | yeah, that's what I'll suggest :) | 17:37 |
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| niala | sorry for stupid question but, how to have a valid login for build.meego and what is it? third party software? if i do my qt app where tu submit? build.meego ? | 17:41 |
| niala | s/tu/to | 17:41 |
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| DawnFoster | filed a bug - feel free to add more details in comments: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5722 | 17:46 |
| DawnFoster | niala: I think you probably should be using the community OBS. | 17:46 |
| DawnFoster | build.meego.com is only for building the main distribution | 17:46 |
| mardy | Stskeeps: Hi, I've seen the patches you sent to meego-dev about the SGX driver. Did IT release it as open source? | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: the flipside of the cert discussion is that intel can probably sign for free ;) | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | mardy: hm? SGX kernel driver has always been OSS | 17:47 |
| DawnFoster | niala: community OBS status: http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | it's the libraries that aren't | 17:47 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Yes and these are more complex certs. | 17:47 |
| DawnFoster | lbt might have more details | 17:47 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: As they have more DNS names included. | 17:47 |
| DawnFoster | well, I've filed the bug & they may tell me that it's not a bug :) | 17:48 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, that cycle accident sounds quite nasty :( | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: thanks | 17:49 |
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| DawnFoster | lcuk: no kidding! I've been afraid to look up the details - a bicyclist doesn't have much chance against a garbage truck | 17:49 |
| mardy | Stskeeps: oh, didn't know. :-) Cool! | 17:50 |
| lcuk | not really | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | what cycle accident? | 17:50 |
| DawnFoster | I posted it on Twitter. | 17:50 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, dawn twittered | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:50 |
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| DawnFoster | A cyclist was hit by a garbage truck a few blocks from my house | 17:50 |
| UlfHofemeier | Eek! | 17:50 |
| DawnFoster | we had news helicopters circling the neighborhood all morning | 17:50 |
| UlfHofemeier | Let's hope he'll make it. | 17:51 |
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| DawnFoster | stskeeps: you need some tough skin to submit patches in this group :) | 18:06 |
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| niala | mmm in meego user can add/remove every programs with gpk-application. question is about security. everybody who take my notebook meego can do everything? | 18:06 |
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| niala | and do mistake error and conflict | 18:07 |
| timeless_mbp | niala: they can use a screwdriver | 18:07 |
| timeless_mbp | and remove the hard disk | 18:07 |
| timeless_mbp | and then stick it into another computer | 18:07 |
| timeless_mbp | and do whatever | 18:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | possession is 9/10ths | 18:07 |
| timeless_mbp | similarly, if i have a gun to your head, i can probably get you to give me the pin to your bank | 18:07 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't have any guns, but that's a minor obstacle | 18:08 |
| romanovsky | ladies and gentlemen: i am holding an (very early) prototype of the famous N9...i have 15 minutes to answer your questions...the prototype is not mine so hurry. GO! | 18:08 |
| niala | timeless, true :) | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: i'm just the guy who ends up with the bomb in his lap in this particular case :) | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | so not taking it personally | 18:09 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: at least Greg-kh is funny when he mocks you openly :) | 18:09 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: http://www.dyberryfireworks.com/ChinaCherryBombCrackers.jpg | 18:09 |
| DawnFoster | stskeeps: those of us who stick around long enough to do anything interesting have probably learned not to take it personally | 18:10 |
| romanovsky | no one interested ? | 18:10 |
| X-Fade | romanovsky: No. | 18:12 |
| X-Fade | We all have one already, you are just late :) | 18:12 |
| romanovsky | your loss mates | 18:12 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, perhaps when internals do reviews of submitted patches and give feedback, when the reviewer is acting in an official manner, they could link to a "don't take this personally" style wiki page on the mail | 18:13 |
| romanovsky | the thing is incerdibly well made....feels solid...maybe because its a proto...the aluminum helps | 18:13 |
| lcuk | "we aim to get the best quality patches here and please submit more ..." | 18:13 |
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| DawnFoster | lcuk: what do you mean by "internals" | 18:14 |
| lcuk | anyone with commit rights who will actually be taking the submited patch further | 18:14 |
| lcuk | the person reviewing | 18:14 |
| romanovsky | camera doesnt work yet....keyboard feels solid... | 18:14 |
| timeless_mbp | romanovsky: so, please read the irc logs | 18:15 |
| romanovsky | the slide is tight as hell.... no final decision has been made if the slide will tilt | 18:15 |
| timeless_mbp | it is not considered acceptable to talk about imaginary hardware which is not available from an official outlet | 18:15 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: this is one of those open source culture things that is always difficult for people who haven't worked in open source before | 18:16 |
| DawnFoster | it's more of an implied thing | 18:16 |
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| romanovsky | ok....one last chance folks | 18:16 |
| lcuk | sure it is, I have seen a couple of examples of similar before | 18:16 |
| DawnFoster | we'll never get people to include it because they consider it a given | 18:16 |
| lcuk | its like getting marked off teachers! | 18:16 |
| timeless_mbp | s/its/it's/ | 18:17 |
| timeless_mbp | s/off/off by/ | 18:17 |
| DawnFoster | nah, it's more like being helped to make something awesome by someone who has done it before | 18:17 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: it is not considered acceptable to talk about imaginary hardware which is not available from an off byicial outlet | 18:17 |
| lcuk | :D thanks timeless_mbp, shall remeber | 18:17 |
| lcuk | remember even | 18:17 |
| DawnFoster | however, it can be really difficult for new community members | 18:18 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, reasonable enough indeed! | 18:18 |
| timeless_mbp | DawnFoster: the create attachment page could provide a link to review hints | 18:18 |
| DawnFoster | this is one of the biggest struggles we see when we talk about getting more people involved in open source | 18:18 |
| timeless_mbp | currently it has that annoying disclaimer blob | 18:18 |
| timeless_mbp | which is just pain | 18:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | giving some candy … helpful advice … would balance it out | 18:18 |
| lcuk | ++ | 18:19 |
| DawnFoster | timeless: sorry - which create attachment page? | 18:19 |
| DawnFoster | bugzilla? | 18:19 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah | 18:19 |
| DawnFoster | I like the idea of candy :) | 18:19 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not sure if the mailing lists have description pages | 18:19 |
| timeless_mbp | the symbian equivalents do | 18:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | you could stick similar content there if they exist | 18:19 |
| timeless_mbp | (and you could create such pages if they don't...) | 18:20 |
| timeless_mbp | bonus points for sticking them into a wiki instead of into mailman or whatever | 18:20 |
| lcuk | s/you/we/ | 18:20 |
| DawnFoster | timeless: dang, now I have another task on my to do list :) | 18:20 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm using "you" because i don't consider myself fully part of the community | 18:20 |
| timeless_mbp | i should be, but the "community" hasn't welcomed me enough | 18:20 |
| DawnFoster | sure you are | 18:20 |
| timeless_mbp | until then, i have to use "you" instead of "we" | 18:20 |
| timeless_mbp | and "we" is problematic, because I don't want to be seen as using <royal>we | 18:21 |
| DawnFoster | you want to take a shot at writing the content for that page? | 18:21 |
| timeless_mbp | grr | 18:21 |
| DawnFoster | just offering | 18:21 |
| DawnFoster | :) | 18:21 |
| timeless_mbp | i think lcuk probably has a better idea what should go in it ;-) | 18:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'll gladly do a review or rewrite | 18:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | but i hate writing from scratch | 18:21 |
| timeless_mbp | i prefer editing | 18:21 |
| romanovsky | wow....a lot of arguing here i see.... very productive :-) | 18:22 |
| DawnFoster | anyone want to take a first shot at writing a page that we can link to from bugzilla, mailing lists, etc? | 18:22 |
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| lcuk | once my painkillers kick in, I will try to writeup some notes later and see if can get the ball rolling for it. | 18:23 |
| leinir | romanovsky: It is, yes :) i'm quite happy to see this channel so active, personally :) (but then, i'm just me ;) ) | 18:23 |
| timeless_mbp | romanovsky: "arguing" is not the right word | 18:24 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: cool, thanks | 18:24 |
| timeless_mbp | did you mean "discussion" ? | 18:24 |
| DawnFoster | we can also link to the new contribution guidelines that I finally got online yesterday: http://meego.com/about/contribution-guidelines | 18:24 |
| timeless_mbp | DawnFoster++ | 18:24 |
| romanovsky | yawn | 18:25 |
| lcuk | ++ indeed | 18:25 |
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| mdp | DawnFoster, is it possible to get email info for people listed on Governance? | 18:26 |
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| DawnFoster | there should be a link to their profile from governance & you should be able to send them a message through meego.com | 18:26 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, did you see the facial recognition stuff on N900 posted around recently? the guy who does it is a doctorate at Manchester university, I sent him a mail talking about his stuff and potential ways to expand on his work and for crossover uses :) | 18:27 |
| lcuk | http://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk/staff/philip.tresadern/proj_facerec.htm if not | 18:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: i saw the /. bit about it | 18:27 |
| lcuk | yeah, biggest individual issue atm with using facial recognition is the camera is very dark and you need ideal lighting | 18:28 |
| lcuk | i hope that on other devices the face camera works better :) | 18:28 |
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| lcuk | the n810 camera was great for it | 18:28 |
| lcuk | even with all its snow | 18:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: i think the pattern here is to only develop the non face camera | 18:29 |
| timeless_mbp | and deal w/ the face camera later | 18:30 |
| timeless_mbp | because customers initially check the quality of the device as if it were a real digital camera | 18:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | at least, that seems to describe the n900 | 18:30 |
| lcuk | sure, but the face camera does have its uses for sure | 18:30 |
| timeless_mbp | and if you're a management bean counter, wouldn't you do precisely that for precisely that reason? | 18:30 |
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| lcuk | yup | 18:31 |
| timeless_mbp | oh sure, as an engineer who isn't short sighted, I agree | 18:31 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm expressing a belief about certain other classes of people | 18:31 |
| hurrok | I'm just installed the latest meego (ivi) and want to compile a kernel module for it, yum info kernel-headers shows they are already installed, but they aren't. also, the kernel-headers on the repo are outdated, does anyone know how i can get around this? | 18:31 |
| timeless_mbp | hurrok: the kernel-headers are supposedly "compatible" | 18:32 |
| timeless_mbp | you can read a bug about them if you're curious | 18:32 |
| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp: that can't be true | 18:32 |
| hurrok | compatible and read a bug about them, this sounds promising :p | 18:32 |
| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp: if they were, closed drivers wouldn't break on each kernel update | 18:32 |
| mdp | DawnFoster, ok, I can get to the profile, but just see the irc nick and a link for the blog | 18:33 |
| timeless_mbp | slonopotamus / hurrok: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3702 | 18:33 |
| hurrok | cheers | 18:33 |
| timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: maybe there's a distinction between userspace and kernelspace api? | 18:34 |
| timeless_mbp | hurrok: anyway, for your purposes, you probably need to get the source for the kernel instead of the kernel headers package | 18:34 |
| timeless_mbp | kernel headers according to the bug is for userspace, not kernelspace | 18:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | but…. feel free to read the bug, it's actually relatively useful | 18:34 |
| hurrok | i will do, thanks | 18:34 |
| timeless_mbp | (maemo bugs tend to have much more noise and much less content) | 18:34 |
| timeless_mbp | s/content/signal/ | 18:35 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: (maemo bugs tend to have much more noise and much less signal) | 18:35 |
| hurrok | hah | 18:35 |
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| leinir | Poor guy - shame that n9-what's-his-face guy wasn't in here, i'm sure he'd have had plenty of questions ;) | 18:37 |
| DawnFoster | mdp - who are we talking about? | 18:37 |
| mdp | mark skarpness | 18:37 |
| mdp | trying to get his attention about a compliance program question | 18:38 |
| DawnFoster | mdp: did you have a specific question about compliance? | 18:38 |
| mdp | yes, posted on -community as requested | 18:38 |
| DawnFoster | have you asked it in meego-community? | 18:38 |
| DawnFoster | ok, cool | 18:38 |
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| DawnFoster | I just sent him a note asking him to respond | 18:40 |
| DawnFoster | mdp: we probably just don't have a clear answer for that yet | 18:40 |
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| DawnFoster | the compliance docs are still a work in process | 18:40 |
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| DawnFoster | first draft should be ready for people to review / comment at the end of this month | 18:41 |
| mdp | ok, thx | 18:41 |
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| DawnFoster | and should have everything final by 1.1 release in oct/nov timeframe | 18:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | DawnFoster: | 18:43 |
| timeless_mbp | > For kernel patches, configuration changes and drivers we will have more precise guidelines available shortly. | 18:43 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not a fan of shortly | 18:43 |
| timeless_mbp | could you specify a quarter (2010Q3) or a month? | 18:43 |
| timeless_mbp | you can use "we hope to" | 18:43 |
| leinir | it smells of "Soon(TM)" ;) | 18:43 |
| DawnFoster | timeless: well I wanted to get what I had out and not wait for the rest | 18:43 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, i understand | 18:44 |
| DawnFoster | I'm going to try to get it posted this week | 18:44 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, that's a reasonable form of shortly :) | 18:44 |
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| DawnFoster | I've seen a draft and I based much of the other document on an abstracted version of the kernel guidelines. | 18:45 |
| DawnFoster | I always try to get what I have out now and not be held up by other stuff | 18:45 |
| timeless_mbp | > Other MeeGo Project Contributions | 18:45 |
| timeless_mbp | doesn't mention irc | 18:45 |
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| DawnFoster | timeless: good point | 18:46 |
| timeless_mbp | DawnFoster: the page is text heavy | 18:46 |
| timeless_mbp | a flowchart would be nice | 18:46 |
| timeless_mbp | (boy, i must work for nokia) | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: also, the flowchart must be visibly made in Paint | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 18:47 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: the flow chart must have lines which criss-cross and aren't level? | 18:47 |
| timeless_mbp | … and some lines must be missing directional arrows | 18:47 |
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| DawnFoster | ok - added IRC | 18:47 |
| DawnFoster | not a fan of flowcharts | 18:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | <does the patch belong upstream> -> ( send it upstream ) | 18:48 |
| timeless_mbp | | | 18:48 |
| timeless_mbp | v | 18:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | <choose bugzilla or mailinglist> -> (send patch to meego-dev) | 18:48 |
| timeless_mbp | | | 18:48 |
| timeless_mbp | v | 18:48 |
| timeless_mbp | (create attachment in bugzilla) | 18:48 |
| timeless_mbp | \ | | 18:48 |
| timeless_mbp | v | 18:48 |
| timeless_mbp | <did you get a response in 5 business days> -> (be happy) | 18:49 |
| timeless_mbp | | | 18:49 |
| timeless_mbp | v | 18:49 |
| timeless_mbp | (escalate) | 18:49 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm personally not a fan of flow charts at all | 18:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | but your page risks "tl;dr" | 18:49 |
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| lcuk | I think that flowchart should be pasted directly :P | 18:49 |
| timeless_mbp | and there's no way for me to know that i want "Escalation" | 18:49 |
| timeless_mbp | there's an idiotic group here which used "escalate" a lot. | 18:50 |
| timeless_mbp | but outside of that group, i've never really seen the word used, so it isn't a word i would scan for | 18:50 |
| timeless_mbp | a flow chart would make it obvious | 18:50 |
| DawnFoster | mpb: mark is going to try to respond this morning | 18:53 |
| DawnFoster | timeless: I'm starting to agree on the flowchart | 18:53 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 18:53 |
| DawnFoster | I'm also graphically challenged :) | 18:54 |
| timeless_mbp | you can try using "dot" | 18:54 |
| DawnFoster | but this is simple enough - anyone want to take a shot at making it pretty? | 18:55 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: you're the one who knows what not to do ;-) | 18:55 |
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| DawnFoster | timeless: I don't think stskeeps is taking the bait :) | 18:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | it was worth a try | 18:59 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm trying google's docs | 18:59 |
| CosmoHill | have you tried worms? | 19:00 |
| niala | (and lemmings before worms) | 19:01 |
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| Stskeeps | sorry, was laying in bed reading a book :P | 19:02 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, thats not good since your missus is waiting for her dinner :P | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: already sorted | 19:03 |
| lcuk | ++ | 19:03 |
| lcuk | :D | 19:03 |
| timeless_mbp | https://docs.google.com/drawings/edit?id=1Y7T4kfYW5xoppuItd3gCdKr7vxVz2jP21MU0X_BtSjc&hl=en&authkey=CJWvxNEL | 19:04 |
| timeless_mbp | is what i'm starting w/ | 19:04 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: nice and simple :) | 19:04 |
| sivang | once it gets more complicated, flow charting is kills you over or overkill :) | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | i vote for a text adventure game | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | "submit bad kernel patch -> you got eaten by a grue" | 19:05 |
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| DawnFoster | I like stskeeps' idea :) | 19:06 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, I approve of this mechanism | 19:06 |
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| * lcuk used to want email delivery via doom, if oyu make it to the virtual recipients desk it arrives, if not the mail is lost in post | 19:07 | |
| hlosfan | anyone going to meego dev day in sf? | 19:07 |
| DawnFoster | timeless: looking good | 19:07 |
| DawnFoster | hiosfan: I'll be there | 19:07 |
| hlosfan | i'm 50/50 | 19:08 |
| DawnFoster | I'm giving a short talk during lunch about the meego community | 19:08 |
| DawnFoster | quim will be there, too | 19:08 |
| hlosfan | nioce | 19:08 |
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| DawnFoster | I'll also be attending some of the meego sessions at idf on Monday | 19:08 |
| timeless_mbp | anyone know how to increase the size of a google drawing? | 19:08 |
| hlosfan | what's idf | 19:09 |
| DawnFoster | Intel Developer Forum | 19:09 |
| DawnFoster | http://www.intel.com/idf/ | 19:09 |
| hlosfan | should we write meego apps in english 1st or european langs 1st? | 19:10 |
| lcuk | hlosfan, I recommend writing in qt first | 19:10 |
| hlosfan | qt no prob | 19:10 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: almost like a silent webinar | 19:10 |
| Jaffa | hlosfan: Depends what language you think your translator base will be speaking. | 19:11 |
| hlosfan | curious where mass market of devices will be first | 19:11 |
| RST38h | doing them in Chinese or Japanese is more eleet. | 19:11 |
| hlosfan | lol | 19:11 |
| hlosfan | 不好 | 19:12 |
| RST38h | BTW, I hope Unicode has a page for ancient Egyptian... | 19:12 |
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| hlosfan | sarcastic dude | 19:14 |
| timeless_mbp | DawnFoster: ok, check that url? | 19:15 |
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| hlosfan | this still cracks me up http://consumertrack.blogspot.com/2010/08/clownsumers-at-it-again-nokia-n9-leaked.html i wanna see more leaks | 19:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | DawnFoster: ok, do you want a PNG, JPG, SVG or PDF? :) | 19:22 |
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| DawnFoster | looks great! How about png? | 19:43 |
| DawnFoster | and svg in case we need to edit it later | 19:44 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, where do you want them? | 19:46 |
| thopiekar | where can I get the emgd driver from? | 19:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | i suppose i can stick them on mxr.meego.com :) | 19:46 |
| thopiekar | want to make it work with ubuntu | 19:46 |
| DawnFoster | timeless_mbp: that works | 19:47 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.meego.com/ContributingapatchtoMeeGo.png http://mxr.meego.com/ContributingapatchtoMeeGo.svg | 19:48 |
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| Stskeeps | the world is coming to an end, cnn.com has news story comments.. | 19:58 |
| lcuk | nahh the world will come to an end when they use those comments as articles themselves :P | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: that happens on danish newspapers.. | 20:00 |
| lcuk | its not a bad thing, slashdot allows comments to be promoted up through the firehose | 20:01 |
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| DawnFoster | timeless: thanks so much for pulling this together! | 20:04 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: just now? at least they did not wait with it for the weekend :) | 20:05 |
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| vlj | hi | 20:11 |
| vlj | err | 20:11 |
| vlj | I can't add an icon app to MyApp zone ? | 20:11 |
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| slaine | You can pin it | 20:15 |
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| slaine | that'll mark it as a "favorite" and display it on the MyZone | 20:16 |
| vlj | I would like to add qtcreator | 20:16 |
| vlj | but it does not appear | 20:16 |
| vlj | there is no icon to pin | 20:16 |
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| slaine | It should appear in Programming | 20:16 |
| vlj | ? | 20:16 |
| vlj | I don't have any categories | 20:17 |
| vlj | just a panel with a lot of icons | 20:17 |
| slaine | this the netbook or the handheld ux ? | 20:17 |
| slaine | If it's the later, I don't know anything about it | 20:17 |
| vlj | netbook | 20:17 |
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| slaine | on netbook you should have an Applications icon in the MeeGo toolbar | 20:17 |
| vlj | yup | 20:18 |
| vlj | and I have no qtcreator in it | 20:18 |
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| slaine | Ok, on there, you'll get a page split with fav's on the left and a separated list of applications on the main boady | 20:18 |
| slaine | body | 20:18 |
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| slaine | The title for the section has an arrow that indicates it's expandable or collapsable | 20:18 |
| vlj | yes | 20:19 |
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| slaine | QTCreator should have created a new Programming section | 20:19 |
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| slaine | Assuming you installed the rpm | 20:19 |
| vlj | slaine: http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/5089/capturemf.png | 20:20 |
| vlj | I have installed | 20:20 |
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| vlj | I can run qtcreator within a terminal | 20:20 |
| vlj | there is no arrow | 20:20 |
| slaine | eek, that looks nothing like mine | 20:21 |
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| vlj | how yours look like ? | 20:21 |
| slaine | I don't have mine to hand, but the site has shots that show what mine looks like | 20:22 |
| slaine | http://meego.com/sites/all/files/users/u3/meego-netbook-app-launcher.png | 20:22 |
| vlj | hmm | 20:22 |
| slaine | unless there's a preference that you have to enable ?? | 20:23 |
| slaine | Shit, I've to go catch a bus | 20:23 |
| slaine | I'll be online later | 20:23 |
| slaine | sorry | 20:23 |
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| vlj | ok | 20:23 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, are you sure you want to publically ask people to ignite portland? | 20:28 |
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| lcuk | publicly even | 20:28 |
| DawnFoster | sure - why not? | 20:28 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, pyromaniacs!!oneone111!! | 20:29 |
| DawnFoster | it's held at a local theater in Portland & we usually have 600+ people attending | 20:29 |
| DawnFoster | ha! | 20:29 |
| DawnFoster | no real fires allowed :) | 20:29 |
| lcuk | thats good then :D | 20:29 |
| DawnFoster | yeah, we also live stream it | 20:29 |
| DawnFoster | I've been one of the organizers since the beginning | 20:30 |
| DawnFoster | it's a fun event | 20:30 |
| lcuk | awesome | 20:30 |
| arjan | portland is very mellow | 20:30 |
| lcuk | do you have specific infrastructure for the streaming? | 20:30 |
| arjan | only fake fire allowed | 20:30 |
| lcuk | or is it just normal apps and bandwidth? | 20:30 |
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| DawnFoster | we have a guy at Blaze Streaming Media who does it for us | 20:32 |
| DawnFoster | he brings in his own bandwidth | 20:32 |
| DawnFoster | he does a lot of corporate & tech events. | 20:33 |
| DawnFoster | apparently, we love to name things after fire | 20:33 |
| DawnFoster | http://www.blazestreaming.com/ | 20:33 |
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| lcuk | lol DawnFoster | 20:35 |
| vlj | what is the command to update desktop database ? | 20:35 |
| arjan | desktop database? | 20:36 |
| vlj | also the icon things like that | 20:36 |
| arjan | there's no real database for that | 20:37 |
| arjan | it's a directory | 20:37 |
| DawnFoster | vlj: does this help: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_FAQ#How_can_I_get_my_newly_installed_application_to_appear_in_the_menu.3F | 20:37 |
| arjan | you can argue that a directory with files is a database ;) | 20:37 |
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| arjan | but that's more a meta discussion that should be had over beer | 20:37 |
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| DawnFoster | vlj: that link has details about creating the directory files to specific icons | 20:38 |
| DawnFoster | basically, what arjan said, but with links :) | 20:38 |
| vlj | DawnFoster: the issue is that qtcreator should already provide its icon | 20:38 |
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| DawnFoster | vlj: the icon for qtcreator itself or apps created with qt? | 20:39 |
| vlj | for qtcreator itself | 20:39 |
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| DawnFoster | hmm, the icon appeared just fine when I installed it on meego netbook | 20:40 |
| vlj | not here | 20:40 |
| DawnFoster | how did you install it? | 20:41 |
| vlj | with the dedicated app | 20:41 |
| vlj | the "manage my app" | 20:41 |
| vlj | I'm reinstalling it with yum right now | 20:41 |
| vlj | hum | 20:41 |
| vlj | it appeared :p | 20:41 |
| DawnFoster | sweet! magic | 20:41 |
| vlj | is there 2 differents package manager ?? | 20:41 |
| vlj | I mean there is zypper and yum | 20:42 |
| vlj | but they "work" together or ...? | 20:42 |
| DawnFoster | not sure - I've mostly used zypper on meego | 20:42 |
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| vlj | I mostly use yum :p | 20:43 |
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| vlj | qml is hard to use | 20:45 |
| lcuk | why? | 20:46 |
| vlj | it's not that intuitive | 20:46 |
| vlj | in my opinion | 20:46 |
| vlj | I like qt | 20:47 |
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| tripzero | it's javascript | 20:47 |
| vlj | the link between qml and qt c++ is not...obvious | 20:48 |
| tripzero | right | 20:48 |
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| vlj | but the results are quite impressing according to demo on qt website | 20:51 |
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| vlj | arjan: what about adding dkms to meego ? | 20:53 |
| vlj | this would allow for easier management for non free driver | 20:53 |
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| mdp | qml looks an awful lot like EFL's Edje layout/state descriptor language | 20:54 |
| vlj | ELF ? | 20:54 |
| mdp | enlightenment foundation libraries | 20:55 |
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| lcuk | mdp, and they both look like any other markup language, html/xml being more notable than edje :P | 21:02 |
| lcuk | used in a "few" more places etc ;) | 21:02 |
| mdp | lcuk, hehe | 21:02 |
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| vlj | is there any tutorial on qml/C++ ? | 21:03 |
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| mdp | none of it is very readable :) | 21:03 |
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| lcuk | mdp, both are much more readable than brainf*ck so we can be happy for some things | 21:04 |
| mdp | indeed | 21:04 |
| * lcuk once tried to code in brainf*ck | 21:04 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: you should have tried SML instead | 21:05 |
| lcuk | according to wikipedia, SML is seemingly normal | 21:05 |
| RST38h | My favorite is, of course, YaMB, but there is no way you will find hardware for that | 21:05 |
| RST38h | lcuk: in a way, yes | 21:06 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, thats so obscure I can only find links to unrelated | 21:10 |
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| thiago | mdp: most of the material is still being prepared, for the launch | 21:53 |
| thiago | there's some online documentation and the examples, though | 21:53 |
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| sp3000 | "Local Folders has 0 new messages." thanks, shredder! ;) | 22:54 |
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