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| vlj | sorry wrong click ;) | 00:02 |
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| vlj | and evolution express does not ask me for a password, so it never connect to any imap serv | 00:03 |
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| vlj | err | 00:07 |
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| vlj | how can I give the password to my imap account to evolution ??? | 00:10 |
| vlj | in gnome it asks me for my password | 00:11 |
| vlj | not in meego | 00:11 |
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| CosmoHill | b-man|laptop: meego laptop? | 03:33 |
| b-man|laptop | ubuntu atm | 03:33 |
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| CosmoHill | cool | 03:44 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 04:01 |
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| N900foreva | so....is meego usable now on the n900 ? | 06:29 |
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| N900foreva | see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioNjJzNUZ4A&feature=player_embedded#! | 06:31 |
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| Phazorx | hmm.. i been fighting with connman here | 08:42 |
| Phazorx | still get no net on boot | 08:42 |
| Phazorx | at #connman they say it must be a racing condition between mac8011 ath9k and dhclient - is there sometihng i can do to figure it ot and fix (or hack around)? | 08:42 |
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| vlj | I though my topic on enabling meego on nvidia card would attract more people out there | 11:02 |
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| vlj | at least devs that does not have a netbook and wants to develop on their desktop | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | no interest? | 11:03 |
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| ali1234 | where did you post it? | 11:04 |
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| vlj | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1228 | 11:06 |
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| ali1234 | vlj: link to ks file on your wiki page is broken? | 11:08 |
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| ali1234 | the funny thing about nvidia drivers and xinerama is that they require the X server to support it *just* so that they can disable it :( | 11:10 |
| vlj | well | 11:11 |
| vlj | indeed | 11:11 |
| vlj | I though it was correctly updated | 11:11 |
| ali1234 | i see why you wanted a ks file now, since you need to patch all those xorg things | 11:11 |
| vlj | yup | 11:12 |
| ali1234 | i wonder if anyone actually reported the xinerama thing to nvidia? | 11:12 |
| vlj | dunno | 11:13 |
| vlj | however nvidia driver can run with a rootless Xorg | 11:14 |
| vlj | and that is a nice thing as ubuntu will move toward a rootless X | 11:14 |
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| Phazorx | ali1234: you remember our yesterday's discussion about X and keycodes? | 11:16 |
| ali1234 | yes | 11:16 |
| ali1234 | of course, i am not a goldfish :) | 11:16 |
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| ali1234 | does brightness control work now? | 11:17 |
| Phazorx | you linked me http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v2.6.35/include/linux/input.h this file however values i see there are differnt from what i get from xmodmap -pke | 11:17 |
| Phazorx | well not really | 11:17 |
| Phazorx | i use mod4+up/down for now | 11:17 |
| Phazorx | but official keys are i am still fighting with | 11:17 |
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| ali1234 | did you check with xev what events X server sees? | 11:18 |
| Phazorx | xev is blind | 11:18 |
| Phazorx | it sees nothing | 11:18 |
| ali1234 | ok, that is not unusual | 11:18 |
| Phazorx | i ca see scancodes for "normal" keys | 11:18 |
| Phazorx | brightness in particular is not visible there | 11:19 |
| Phazorx | but soe other Fn+X produce weird result | 11:19 |
| Phazorx | like Fn+F3 (euro sign) produces 8 events | 11:19 |
| ali1234 | what about evtest on the event device? | 11:19 |
| Phazorx | 4 keypresses and 4 keyreleases | 11:19 |
| Phazorx | no evtest on meego here | 11:20 |
| Phazorx | unless it is root level | 11:20 |
| ali1234 | maybe X really doesn't understand the brightness keys | 11:20 |
| Phazorx | ali1234: that would a larger issue than what i see now | 11:20 |
| Phazorx | it wouldnt work for anyone then | 11:21 |
| ali1234 | what happens if you map those keys to a simple key like KEY_A | 11:21 |
| Phazorx | but back to my original question - should i use values i see in xmodmap -pke or these from input.h ? | 11:21 |
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| Phazorx | ali1234: map keys how? | 11:21 |
| ali1234 | with setkeycode | 11:21 |
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| Phazorx | setkeycode here takes 2 numerical params | 11:22 |
| ali1234 | yes | 11:22 |
| Phazorx | first being the scan and second the function | 11:22 |
| Phazorx | what function should i use for KEY_A ? | 11:22 |
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| Phazorx | also, i have them in rc.local - may be they should be somewhere else? | 11:23 |
| ali1234 | i don't think so | 11:23 |
| ali1234 | KEY_A is 30 | 11:23 |
| ali1234 | input.h is the key codes for console | 11:24 |
| Phazorx | and xmodmap -pke reports something else? | 11:24 |
| Phazorx | i must also say again that in console these keys function as intended | 11:24 |
| ali1234 | thats because in console screen brightness is still under bios control, probably | 11:25 |
| ali1234 | i bet those keys work in the bios right? | 11:25 |
| Phazorx | no sure about bios and console works with help of custom scripts playing with /sys/class/acpi/video | 11:25 |
| ali1234 | ok | 11:26 |
| Phazorx | but console reacts to the keystrokes and launches what is apropriate | 11:26 |
| Phazorx | whereas under X i can not assign them to do same | 11:26 |
| Phazorx | ...so, you want me to dosomething like setkeycodes 0x88 30 # KEY_A | 11:27 |
| ali1234 | you can use showkey instead of evtest | 11:28 |
| ali1234 | (on the console) | 11:28 |
| Phazorx | ahh | 11:28 |
| Phazorx | interesting | 11:28 |
| Phazorx | showkey does not show releases for brightnesscontrol | 11:28 |
| Phazorx | at same time for some other similar keys that do work under X releases are visible | 11:29 |
| Phazorx | this does sound like evdev issue now | 11:29 |
| ali1234 | showkey -s | 11:30 |
| ali1234 | -s show scancodes -k show keycodes | 11:30 |
| Phazorx | keycodes shows what i expect | 11:31 |
| Phazorx | scancodes shows sometihng else but similar to what one mighyt expect | 11:31 |
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| sivang | morning all | 11:32 |
| ali1234 | check man xmodmap too | 11:32 |
| Phazorx | if it makes any different - scancodes for brightnessup and down are 0x4c 0x54 | 11:32 |
| ali1234 | i thought it was 0x88 | 11:33 |
| Phazorx | dmesg shown 0x88 | 11:33 |
| Phazorx | can i undeo scancodes w/o rebooting ? | 11:34 |
| ali1234 | loadkeys -s | 11:35 |
| ali1234 | oh, no | 11:35 |
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| Phazorx | -c? | 11:35 |
| ali1234 | maybe loadkeys -d | 11:35 |
| ali1234 | but that loads a default, it doesn't clear them | 11:36 |
| Phazorx | well there is no default for starters | 11:36 |
| Phazorx | but i can just reboot i guess | 11:36 |
| ali1234 | you can use dumpkeys too | 11:36 |
| Phazorx | what i was wondering ishow to get original output back into dmesg | 11:37 |
| Phazorx | but i'll reboot for that | 11:37 |
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| niala | hello | 11:37 |
| ali1234 | setkeycodes only affects console anyway | 11:38 |
| Phazorx | sidequestiion - is there a cli paste tool usable with meego easy? | 11:38 |
| ali1234 | for X you have to xmodmap | 11:38 |
| ali1234 | but you have to have the keys showing up on xev first before you can even do that | 11:38 |
| Phazorx | ali1234: yesterday you told me not to bother with xmodmap if i set keycodes to what X wants them to | 11:38 |
| ali1234 | yeah i was wrong | 11:38 |
| ali1234 | if they don't even show up in xev then there's something far out with your keyboard | 11:39 |
| Phazorx | okay back to basics, i'll rvert to what it was before and i want to paste dmesg | 11:39 |
| Phazorx | what can i use for pasting it w/o messing with browser? | 11:39 |
| Phazorx | like undergento i use nopaste script | 11:39 |
| Phazorx | is there an alternative for meego? | 11:40 |
| tcounihan | Morning Guys, | 11:42 |
| niala | http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/19/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/ | 11:42 |
| tcounihan | Is it okay if I bounce an IVI idea/Usage scenario on the forum here to get some feedback? | 11:42 |
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| tcounihan | It may sound daft, but I'm hoping I can be put straight here? | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | tcounihan: discussion is welcome | 11:43 |
| tcounihan | Cool | 11:43 |
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| tcounihan | Okay, picture this - Meego IVI <-- BT A2DP ---> Meego Handset | 11:43 |
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| tcounihan | So, if I set up streaming and begin listign to my tunes | 11:44 |
| tcounihan | Does it make sense to cache either/or the album structure and tunes? | 11:44 |
| tcounihan | That way, on further/future engagment, if a use plays the same song, we could offload the streaming by playign locally from a cache | 11:45 |
| tcounihan | There may be a legal/DRM issue | 11:45 |
| Phazorx | ali1234: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samsung_N120#Fix_Fn_.2B_key_combinations_does_not_produce_key_release_events could be relevant? | 11:45 |
| tcounihan | But from a technical and more interestingly a usage scenario - does it make sense or is it totally daft idea? | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | tcounihan: well, a2dp doesn't allow distinguishing between songs for caching, also, how about streams where people skip in | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 11:46 |
| tcounihan | Stskeeps: I guess there is a lot of technical nuances to work out, but at a conceptual level, does it have any merit? | 11:46 |
| ali1234 | Phazorx: i don't understand why you see *nothing* on xev | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | tcounihan: i think power usage ends up being more than simply re-streaming | 11:47 |
| ali1234 | Phazorx: that means you can't remap in X because there is nothing to remap | 11:47 |
| tcounihan | Stskeeps: Can you expand, I'm not too sure I understand | 11:47 |
| tcounihan | Stskeeps: is that from the handset perspective? | 11:48 |
| Phazorx | ali1234: are you sure setkeycodes does not talk to evdev? | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | tcounihan: as in, your caching might seem useful but in the big perspective, you waste more power on caching, i would guess.. | 11:48 |
| tcounihan | Stskeeps: Okay, understood, but would it be a 1 time hit? | 11:48 |
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| Phazorx | and in case if it does - unless kernel is aware what even to trigger - will anything show up under X untill setkeycodes are set correctly? | 11:48 |
| tcounihan | Stskeeps: Plus, on the IVI side of the interface, we'd have a honking big battery under the bonnet, so it may not be too much of an issue | 11:49 |
| Phazorx | i see 2 problems at this stage, there is missing mapping to features and missing release events | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | tcounihan: mm | 11:49 |
| Phazorx | mapping i sort of know how to aptach, but i am not sure what digits to use anymore since information sources differ | 11:50 |
| Phazorx | and with release events - with abandonded HAL i dont even know how to deal with them | 11:50 |
| ali1234 | Phazorx: X uses totally different codes to console | 11:50 |
| tcounihan | Stskeeps: Assuming that we can bind tune info by taking it higher in the stack (perhaps at player level) and bind it to the first instance of the played stream | 11:50 |
| ali1234 | in theory you just have two mappings, one done by setkeycodes and one done by xmodmap | 11:50 |
| tcounihan | Stskeeps: Dump it into a cache somewhere, and then if its played a second time, pull it from there as opposed to executing a streamign procedure | 11:51 |
| ali1234 | you need to make it show on xev in order to map it with xmodmap | 11:51 |
| Phazorx | ali1234: okay, and the numbers i need for them msut be different, can be different, can be anything, what? | 11:51 |
| ali1234 | i thought changing the code with setkeycodes would do that but apparently it doesn't | 11:51 |
| tcounihan | Stskeeps: It would involve maintaining some logic w.r.t. the health of the recorded data - i.e. skipped etc.. | 11:52 |
| Phazorx | well not having release events might matter there too | 11:52 |
| ali1234 | no, xev displays those separately | 11:52 |
| tcounihan | Stskeeps: Perhaps it may introduce a totally new component into the Arch from an IVI perspective | 11:52 |
| Phazorx | ali1234: i mean on kernle level | 11:52 |
| Phazorx | xev wont display anything unless kernel/evdev handles things like it expects them | 11:52 |
| tcounihan | Stskeeps: But for today's query, I really wanted to explore if it made sense conceptually - what do you think? | 11:53 |
| Phazorx | so i think a deeper level issue needs to be mitigated 1st | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | tcounihan: not completely stupid but i am wondering if there's better protocols than a2dp.. | 11:53 |
| ali1234 | Phazorx: xev displays what X receives no matter what it is | 11:53 |
| ali1234 | you dont get release until you release the key, however, xev still understands this | 11:54 |
| Phazorx | well there miht me more issues inbetween xev and evdev - but these i wont have any clue about untill i get there | 11:54 |
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| ali1234 | you need to compile evtest, it tells you *everything* about what comes out of the event device | 11:54 |
| Phazorx | ali1234: yes... but assuming there is at least half a problem with these keystrokes at kernel level - there might be more there | 11:54 |
| Phazorx | well if it has configure script compiling it wont be a big issue | 11:55 |
| ali1234 | it is just 1 .c file | 11:55 |
| Phazorx | and i still would like to know if there is a way to paste things easy with meego | 11:55 |
| ali1234 | http://beagleboard.googlecode.com/files/evtest.c | 11:55 |
| Phazorx | browser and copy/pasting w/o mouse makes thigns very annoying | 11:55 |
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| Phazorx | hrm... the thing it want in devtree is not here | 11:58 |
| tcounihan | Stskeeps: Agreed, the thought would be that this 'new' component would tap into a other protocols too | 11:58 |
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| tcounihan | Stskeeps: USB, etc... | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 11:59 |
| tcounihan | Stskeeps: but if the device is limited to A2DP only | 11:59 |
| tcounihan | Stskeeps: then we take the data from A2DP | 11:59 |
| tcounihan | Stskeeps: So at a high level, the requirement would be, when pulling/streaming data from a device, cache it | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 12:00 |
| ali1234 | Phazorx: i think setkeycodes does not affect X at all | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | tcounihan: anyway, i have to work | 12:00 |
| tcounihan | Stskeeps: When playing data from a device, look first to cache and see if its there to play locally | 12:00 |
| Phazorx | ali1234: does it affect evdev? | 12:00 |
| ali1234 | Phazorx: i think no | 12:01 |
| Phazorx | okay got evtest and clean boot w/o me messing with setkeycodes | 12:01 |
| ali1234 | Phazorx: it controls how linux console maps evdev output | 12:01 |
| ali1234 | not the actual evdev output | 12:01 |
| ali1234 | at least i think | 12:01 |
| tcounihan | Stskeeps: Ok, cheers, at least the impression I'm getting is the concept isn't totally off the wall and may be worth further exploration on myside as opposed to totally droping the idea | 12:01 |
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| ali1234 | Phazorx: i just tried 'setkeyscodes 1e 31' | 12:11 |
| ali1234 | now my a key outputs s in both console and X | 12:11 |
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| Phazorx | so... setkeycodes is systemwide and probably evdev relevant? | 12:17 |
| ali1234 | now i try 'setkeycodes 1e 224' and my a key now sends XF86MonBrightnessDown | 12:17 |
| Phazorx | ali1234: why 224? | 12:17 |
| ali1234 | #define KEY_BRIGHTNESSDOWN 224 | 12:17 |
| ali1234 | from input.h | 12:17 |
| Phazorx | okay... and "xmodmap -pke | grep nBri" shows 224 too ? | 12:18 |
| Phazorx | http://dpaste.com/232725/ | 12:19 |
| Phazorx | thats dmesg tail | 12:19 |
| Phazorx | and i cant grab evtest output | 12:19 |
| ali1234 | no, it shows 232 | 12:19 |
| Phazorx | do i need to 2>&1 or something? | 12:19 |
| ali1234 | dmesg is telling you what to do... | 12:20 |
| ali1234 | Use 'setkeycodes e008 <keycode>' | 12:20 |
| Phazorx | evtest shows 88/89 | 12:20 |
| Phazorx | not e008 | 12:20 |
| ali1234 | i would recommend you do what it says | 12:21 |
| ali1234 | setkeycodes e008 224 | 12:21 |
| Phazorx | can try that | 12:21 |
| ali1234 | then go to gnome key binding thing and try to bind something to it | 12:21 |
| Phazorx | but even w/o them being set evtest shows the vents | 12:21 |
| ali1234 | it will show the scan codes | 12:22 |
| ali1234 | but nobody cares about those | 12:22 |
| Phazorx | nice | 12:22 |
| Phazorx | and i need 224 not 236 as xmodmap shows for XF86MonBrightnessDown? | 12:22 |
| ali1234 | yes | 12:22 |
| ali1234 | my xmodmap shows 232 for brightness down | 12:23 |
| Phazorx | point was it is not same as input.h | 12:23 |
| ali1234 | but it does not matter, you need the keycode which is 224 and always same | 12:23 |
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| ali1234 | so i did 'setkeycode 1e 224' and then went in to gnome keyboard shortcuts and mapped it to "zoom in" and it shows XF86MonBrightness as the key used for shortcut and when i press A my display zooms in | 12:25 |
| ali1234 | and now i can't type A | 12:25 |
| ali1234 | on that computer | 12:25 |
| ali1234 | so this seems like it should work | 12:25 |
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| ali1234 | all you have to do is figure out how to make it control the brightness, probably with the same scripts | 12:26 |
| Phazorx | nope it does not let me assign these keys | 12:26 |
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| Phazorx | evtest reports same thing but dmesg is gone now | 12:26 |
| Phazorx | oops | 12:27 |
| Phazorx | i lied | 12:27 |
| Phazorx | evtest reports bot 88/89 and bri up/dow | 12:27 |
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| Phazorx | like it does for volume up/down which always worked | 12:27 |
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| Phazorx | aside of missing release events | 12:27 |
| ali1234 | well volume up/down is mapped through gnome but brightness up/down seems to be done some other way on my laptop | 12:28 |
| Phazorx | and i cant present the output becase it is not redirectable :| | 12:28 |
| ali1234 | seems to be handled in hardware cos it *always* works | 12:28 |
| ali1234 | even if the machine hangs or something :) | 12:28 |
| ali1234 | as such the "real" brightness control buttons work but my A key remapping does not | 12:29 |
| Phazorx | that's probbly if it is handled by bios | 12:29 |
| ali1234 | but the point is both the "real" button and my A key now send the right keycode to X | 12:29 |
| Phazorx | and i bet even if you map the key to something else it will still control brightnessaside of other functionality | 12:29 |
| ali1234 | yes | 12:29 |
| ali1234 | certainly | 12:29 |
| Phazorx | well in my case evtest shows brightness up, value 2 | 12:30 |
| Phazorx | which is a bit strange | 12:30 |
| Phazorx | since volume shows value 1 on press and value 0 on release | 12:30 |
| Phazorx | now... may be i need to map 224 to 236 now with xmodmap? | 12:31 |
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| ali1234 | no | 12:31 |
| ali1234 | i did not need to do it | 12:31 |
| Phazorx | well it stil ldoes not work here | 12:31 |
| Phazorx | and i am confused by what exactly these numbers do represent | 12:31 |
| Phazorx | and why both of us have 2 values to same symbol | 12:31 |
| ali1234 | because X maps things however it wants | 12:32 |
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| Phazorx | in that case i think missing release events might be a factor here | 12:33 |
| ali1234 | no | 12:33 |
| Phazorx | heh... obviously i know noting about it... but the suggested approach did not work | 12:34 |
| ali1234 | if you hold down 'A' do you get a key release? no. does X see that you are holding down A? yes. | 12:35 |
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| Phazorx | i do get key release for most things | 12:36 |
| Phazorx | specificaly i get them for Fn+left and Fn+right | 12:37 |
| ali1234 | even when you dont release the key? | 12:37 |
| Phazorx | while i dont get them from Fn+up & Fn+down | 12:37 |
| Phazorx | well i get release when it is released | 12:37 |
| Phazorx | actualy | 12:38 |
| Phazorx | type 0 events are release | 12:38 |
| Phazorx | type 1 is press | 12:38 |
| Phazorx | type 2 is hold | 12:38 |
| ali1234 | yes | 12:38 |
| Phazorx | with up/dow i only get hold | 12:38 |
| ali1234 | actually it is repeat | 12:38 |
| Phazorx | with left/right i get press/hold/releae | 12:38 |
| Phazorx | well repeat yes | 12:38 |
| Phazorx | point being no press/release | 12:38 |
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| Phazorx | and i see a lot of artciles with | 12:39 |
| Phazorx | #Fix sticking fn keys on samsung laptops, Kernel > 2.6.32 required | 12:39 |
| Phazorx | echo 130,131,132,134,136,137,177,179,247,249 > /sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio0/force_release | 12:39 |
| Phazorx | or similar depending on model | 12:40 |
| ali1234 | well try it | 12:40 |
| Phazorx | well i need to know values :) | 12:40 |
| Phazorx | and release is noce but i dont get press either | 12:40 |
| ali1234 | 224,225 | 12:41 |
| Phazorx | my guess would be these are decimal and e008/e008 are hex | 12:41 |
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| Phazorx | err... i dont think these are it but i can try | 12:41 |
| ali1234 | 88 is hex e008 is hex | 12:41 |
| ali1234 | 0x88 is 136 dec | 12:42 |
| ali1234 | 136 is in the list ^ | 12:42 |
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| ali1234 | http://ktemkin.com/en/ | 12:47 |
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| ali1234 | i don't think it's quite your problem | 12:47 |
| Phazorx | it is 136 (so 0x88) and i get release now | 12:47 |
| Phazorx | but no press | 12:47 |
| Phazorx | however release was enough | 12:48 |
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| Phazorx | even w/o setkeycodes | 12:48 |
| Phazorx | i mean it is kernel/evdev issue apaprently | 12:48 |
| Phazorx | thanks btw | 12:48 |
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| Phazorx | well hallelujah | 12:50 |
| Phazorx | at least something works now | 12:51 |
| Phazorx | one down 598 problems to go | 12:51 |
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| Phazorx | and i have very little respect for samsung now after seing how they "fixed euro key" | 12:55 |
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| mona | is there any scope of modifying the process scheduleres in meego | 13:12 |
| mona | here, we have less processing power and less memory | 13:13 |
| ml-mobile | if you can get one accepted into the upstream kernel | 13:13 |
| mona | sorry, i didn't get you | 13:14 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, are you ignored here? | 13:15 |
| ZogG | =) | 13:15 |
| ml-mobile | schedulers for processes are controlled by the kernel, and meego works from what exists upstream | 13:15 |
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| mona | i got u, thanks | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | #meego-arm to be precise | 13:16 |
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| Phazorx | what does abrtd do? | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | makes crash reports probably | 13:40 |
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| Phazorx | it fails on every second boot here (i see message on tty1 | 13:41 |
| Phazorx | but i cant find anything about it in syslog | 13:42 |
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| RST38h | Anyone willing to answer a question about QEventLoop::WaitForMoreEvents()? | 13:54 |
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| rohanpm | RST38h: just ask | 13:55 |
| RST38h | When I am calling processEvents() with this argument and there ARE som eevents to process, will it exit immediately after processing those events? | 13:57 |
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| rohanpm | RST38h: yes | 13:59 |
| RST38h | cool | 13:59 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly why people are so offended by statements by people that has no control over their topic, just because they have a @company.com mail and assume that's the area manager's opinion | 13:59 | |
| Stskeeps | i guess organisational chart would be useful at times | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:00 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Because noone knows if J. Bloggs is really senior architecturally within the project, within @company or within their area | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: that is a problem, yeah | 14:01 |
| vlj | who is J Bloggs ? ;) | 14:01 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: And so if they send mail stating something categorically, without saying "I think...", it will be taken as the position of @company - especially if they are then not contradicted by someone who is known to be senior | 14:01 |
| * Jaffa wonders if yerga's tweet was the start of this... | 14:02 | |
| Stskeeps | yes, it was | 14:02 |
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| Stskeeps | it is even more interesting as sdk is a joint effort, application sdk mostly spearheaded by nokia | 14:02 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: The mail linked to is from someone I thought was senior architecturally at the project, and at @company. | 14:03 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: I haven't rechecked the thread, but did someone say "As owner of the application SDK, we want to target as many platforms as possible; and bypass issues across multiple platforms as much as possible. Sometimes, it's necessary to debug on-device, but many apps can go the whole way through their development cycle without needing that."? | 14:04 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: All I see is corporate employees busy antagonizing another developer | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: auke is to be listened to in regards to boot phases and general optimization (uxlaunch, sreadahead, fastboot philosophy), but senior architecturally is the four horsemen (arjan, sakari, etc) | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | also, this is on meego-community, not -sdk.. | 14:05 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: So, whoever that Auke guy is, if the end result is antagonizing Yerga, he is doing harm to the project | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: not disagreeing | 14:05 |
| timeless_mbp | ooh, i'm getting meego bugmail | 14:06 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: What is more amusing is that it has become a pattern now | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2681 | 14:06 |
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| Stskeeps | (notice assigned to) | 14:06 |
| Phazorx | would really appreciate help figuring out why X unloads tocuhpad driver (and hence i dont get scrolling and other multitouch gois working) | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | and http://bugs.meego.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=2681&hide_resolved=1 | 14:06 |
| Phazorx | http://dpaste.com/232754/ | 14:06 |
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| vlj | Phazorx: your touchpad is perhaps not supported py synaptics | 14:08 |
| vlj | did you tried with evdev ? | 14:08 |
| RST38h | Ok, done with events processing, I guess | 14:09 |
| RST38h | Anyone willing to recommend the fastest way to blit bitmaps to the screen in Qt? | 14:09 |
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| RST38h | Actually, just getting direct pointer to the window contents will suffice | 14:12 |
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| Phazorx | vlj: what do you mean not supported by synaptics.. it's made by them | 14:13 |
| Phazorx | and i dont know how to try it with evdev i guess | 14:14 |
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| vlj | changing it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 14:17 |
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| Phazorx | there is no xorg.conf in meego | 14:18 |
| RST38h | I can use QCanvas inside MeegoTouch API, right? | 14:18 |
| RST38h | Or can't I? | 14:18 |
| vlj | Phazorx: as long as some third party app writes one | 14:18 |
| Phazorx | vlj: why would i need one anyway isnt it supposed to be autoconfigured nowadays? | 14:19 |
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| Phazorx | hmm... nice | 14:25 |
| Phazorx | how can i kill X w/o keyboard? | 14:25 |
| RST38h | ssh | 14:25 |
| vlj | you can't :p | 14:25 |
| vlj | except if you manage to get a virtual keyboard | 14:25 |
| Phazorx | no ssh it's meego | 14:25 |
| Phazorx | and wasnt there a killx script? | 14:26 |
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| dwmw2_ | Phazorx: um, why no ssh? | 14:39 |
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| thiago | meego has ssh | 14:44 |
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| Phazorx | ssh may be | 14:48 |
| Phazorx | sshd no | 14:48 |
| Phazorx | and this is really silly now - how can i get to console and prevent X from loading | 14:49 |
| ali1234 | without a keyboard?? | 14:49 |
| Phazorx | since having input taken over by not wokring kbd driver - there is no way to get back to console after they load | 14:50 |
| ali1234 | ctrl-alt-f1 even doesn't work? | 14:50 |
| Phazorx | ali1234: keyboard is there, but only before xorg starts | 14:50 |
| ali1234 | can you plug in another usb keyboard maybe? | 14:50 |
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| Phazorx | ali even numlock and ctrl-alt-del and ctrl-alt-bksp does not work | 14:50 |
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| Phazorx | dont have a usb one | 14:51 |
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| ali1234 | well ctrl-alt-backspace might be disabled... | 14:51 |
| Phazorx | that actualy wold not matter | 14:51 |
| ali1234 | mouse works? | 14:51 |
| Phazorx | touchpad does | 14:52 |
| ali1234 | start a terminal and copy paste 'chvt 1' from webpages/other windows | 14:52 |
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| Phazorx | was thinking abou hat | 14:52 |
| Phazorx | but there is another issue | 14:52 |
| ali1234 | you can middle click on touchpad right? | 14:52 |
| Phazorx | ali1234: nope that i cant do... but issue i am faced with is differnt | 14:52 |
| Phazorx | since connman fails to autoconnect - i need to retype wpa2 key | 14:53 |
| Phazorx | before i can get to net | 14:53 |
| Phazorx | and copy something from there | 14:53 |
| ali1234 | help files? | 14:53 |
| ali1234 | you need root to chvt anyway, and you might not be able to copy paste to a sudo password prompt | 14:54 |
| Phazorx | nice | 14:55 |
| lcuk | RST38h, how fast does it work doing it at the moment | 14:55 |
| lcuk | ie, what have you tried | 14:55 |
| Phazorx | is there a killx script i can click on? | 14:55 |
| Phazorx | or prvent x from loading at extlinux stage? | 14:56 |
| ali1234 | i suspect killing X might just cause it to load back up or just down the whole machine | 14:56 |
| Phazorx | tin old days killing x would just kill x... | 14:56 |
| Phazorx | would sighuping it work? | 14:57 |
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| Phazorx | i can get pid | 14:57 |
| ali1234 | no idea | 14:57 |
| Phazorx | this is bizarre issue | 14:57 |
| Phazorx | anywa lunch time | 14:58 |
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| ali1234 | hmm i have an idea | 14:58 |
| ali1234 | turn off X security on some other server | 14:59 |
| ali1234 | then run DISPLAY=whatever:0 xterm | 14:59 |
| ali1234 | now oyu have a shell on your netbook on the other machine | 14:59 |
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| ali1234 | if you run chvt 1 in that shell netbook should go to first console :) | 15:00 |
| RST38h | lcuk: does not work yet, it is an initial implementation | 15:01 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, so try and get something working using normal qpainter stuff and see how it turns out? | 15:05 |
| lcuk | then come back seeking alternatives if it doesn't perform as expected | 15:05 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Don't be silly, what QPainter? | 15:05 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I am not painting/drawing anything, just blitting a ready made image buffer | 15:06 |
| ali1234 | http://doc.trolltech.com/latest/qpainter.html#drawPixmap | 15:06 |
| vlj | how can I post "raw" file in wiki ? | 15:06 |
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| ali1234 | maybe drawImage is more appropriate | 15:07 |
| RST38h | ali1234: yea, and I can draw images in just about any widget | 15:07 |
| RST38h | setBackground() or setPixmap() or something | 15:07 |
| ali1234 | yeah, cos they all inherit it from some place :) | 15:07 |
| RST38h | the idea is to do it quickly though | 15:09 |
| ali1234 | setBackground doesn't do what you think it does | 15:09 |
| lcuk | RST38h, sigh, qpainter gives the drawimage stuff with a context to blit onto, without it you don't have a destination* | 15:09 |
| RST38h | Hmm...ok | 15:09 |
| RST38h | So it is like allocating a Gc | 15:10 |
| RST38h | or an HDC in Windoze | 15:10 |
| lcuk | yes, similar principle afaik | 15:10 |
| RST38h | Good first step indeed | 15:10 |
| ali1234 | the windows Qt backend is probably doing exactly that | 15:10 |
| RST38h | =) | 15:10 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Stupid question: is it possible to compile stuff using MeegoTouch in Maemo5? | 15:24 |
| RST38h | I have made an EMULib wrapper for MeegoTouch/Qt, but need to test it | 15:24 |
| lcuk | at present there are some dependency issues afaik | 15:25 |
| * lcuk is doing other dependencies for something else atm | 15:25 | |
| lcuk | so cannot confirm | 15:25 |
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| Summeli | I have also one Qt wrapper emulib wrapper :) | 15:25 |
| RST38h | lcuk: But if I do it in plain qt, I am fine? | 15:25 |
| lcuk | should be, qt4.7 is in devel at present | 15:26 |
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| Summeli | RST38h: can you give me a /msg when you have some benchmarks about the Qpixmap blit? :) | 15:27 |
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| RST38h | Summeli: I am not doing any QPixmap blits | 15:29 |
| Summeli | RST38h: me neither, it wasn't really working on symbian | 15:29 |
| lcuk | Summeli, perhaps if you have a working example, you should be the one messaging RST38h to let him have a peek through the sources | 15:29 |
| lcuk | so you 2 can compare notes | 15:29 |
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| * RST38h has no notes to compare either | 15:31 | |
| Summeli | lcuk: I burried the QPixmap based blit too soon to share notes :P | 15:32 |
| Summeli | maybe I should work it a bit further | 15:32 |
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| * thiago is tracking down gaps in the Qt presentations at MeeGo conference | 15:33 | |
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| thiago | anything people would like to see presented? | 15:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | thiago: what's being presented? :) | 15:33 |
| thiago | Qt Quick is well taken care of | 15:33 |
| lcuk | i guess "how to draw pixmaps as fast as possible" thiago | 15:34 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: http://conference2010.meego.com/program | 15:34 |
| thiago | lcuk: draw onto pixmaps or blit them? | 15:34 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: Qt only list please? :) | 15:34 |
| timeless_mbp | (seriously, imagine you're a guy only interested in Qt, surely you should be able to see a list of only Qt topics) | 15:34 |
| lcuk | thiago, ask RST38h and Summeli - they are the ones discussing | 15:34 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: the search field requires 3 letters | 15:34 |
| lcuk | fail | 15:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | thiago: http://conference2010.meego.com/session/qt-certification-exams-conference-participatns | 15:35 |
| thiago | we should rename the library | 15:35 |
| lcuk | thats quite classy | 15:35 |
| timeless_mbp | thinks someone could try spelling "participants" correctly? | 15:35 |
| lcuk | perhaps exceptions to the search could be made | 15:35 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: I'll tell vladimir | 15:35 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: does Qt do multimedia? | 15:35 |
| thiago | yes | 15:35 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, you're serious about the 3 letter fail | 15:35 |
| thiago | there are even two frameworks for that | 15:36 |
| timeless_mbp | that's awesome | 15:36 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah um. | 15:36 |
| * lcuk has thoughts for presentation but I get scared standing up there | 15:36 | |
| timeless_mbp | someone give me an actual list i can work through? | 15:36 |
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| thiago | just tell me what you'd like see presented | 15:36 |
| timeless_mbp | having to click on 6+ links just to find stuff i care about is not fair | 15:36 |
| thiago | never mind what's there | 15:36 |
| CosmoHill | hello | 15:36 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: please tell kate to spell UI with a capital I: MeeGo handset Ui toolkits | 15:36 |
| timeless_mbp | oh brother | 15:37 |
| timeless_mbp | MeeGo TV - Supporting Pay TV in an Open source environement | 15:37 |
| timeless_mbp | too many e's in that last word | 15:37 |
| timeless_mbp | we should fine people for not using a spell checker on their presentation topics | 15:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | thiago: what do you have for multimedia? | 15:37 |
| thiago | probably French | 15:37 |
| timeless_mbp | and for html5? | 15:37 |
| lcuk | can submissions even be edited ? | 15:37 |
| CosmoHill | timeless_mbp: or you could stand up mid-presentation and go "I think you'll find that word only had one E in it" | 15:37 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: i'm told so | 15:38 |
| lcuk | reasonable | 15:38 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: Phonon and QtMultimedia. But no talks on either. | 15:38 |
| thiago | lcuk: the author can edit them | 15:38 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: i think that for a mobile platform to not have any talks on multimedia seems kinda bad | 15:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | can you argue otherwise? | 15:38 |
| thiago | can't argue with that | 15:38 |
| newbie | I am new and I am having some problems building meego, I get "Error: failed to create image : Unable to install: [('file /usr/share/icons/hicolor/icon-theme.cache conflicts between attempted installs of meego-handset-icon-theme-0.0.4-3.8.noarch and hicolor-icon-theme-0.12-4.6.noarch', (6, '/usr/share/icons/hicolor/icon-theme.cache', 0L))", can someone enlighten me? | 15:38 |
| timeless_mbp | for maemo we've always had talks on MAFW | 15:38 |
| timeless_mbp | and friends | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | there's a Grilo talk | 15:38 |
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| CosmoHill | if you correct the spelling on someone's presentation, what if they then struggle to read it when presenting? | 15:39 |
| timeless_mbp | newbie: hildon isn't part of meego | 15:39 |
| timeless_mbp | you'll have to make it lose somehow | 15:39 |
| timeless_mbp | possibly w/ a diversion | 15:39 |
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| lcuk | thiago, one specific thing, for people using devices, please give opportunity to let them be tested beforehand | 15:39 |
| timeless_mbp | or just removing the file from the package | 15:39 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: hildon? It says hicolor. | 15:39 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk++ | 15:39 |
| * lcuk had videoout fail using hardware last year | 15:39 | |
| thiago | lcuk: sorry? | 15:39 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: hicolor-icon-theme-0.12 | 15:39 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 15:39 |
| timeless_mbp | oops | 15:39 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 15:40 | |
| lcuk | thiago, for the actual presentations, when people arrive | 15:40 |
| thiago | ah, you mean at the event? | 15:40 |
| lcuk | and before their talks | 15:40 |
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| thiago | yeah, sure | 15:40 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry, i spend way too much time thinking about hildon | 15:40 |
| lcuk | make sure there is a mechanism to allow them to be tested | 15:40 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Should have gone with a windoze laptop and powerpoint | 15:40 |
| thiago | but I'm not talking here as part of the organisation | 15:40 |
| lcuk | urg | 15:40 |
| lcuk | we were at maemo summit | 15:40 |
| thiago | I'm talking with my Qt PM hat | 15:40 |
| lcuk | with maemo devices | 15:40 |
| timeless_mbp | newbie: actually, in that case you'll probably want to make handset win | 15:40 |
| timeless_mbp | which again requires a diversion or equiv | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: and i had to do my first Mer presentation on a XP cd.. | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | er, XP computer | 15:41 |
| lcuk | yes Stskeeps indeed | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | qole kinda started this fashion with presentations in OOo on easy debian | 15:41 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: oh, please make sure they have mac support for presentations :) | 15:41 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: sure, will have to happen | 15:41 |
| thiago | too many people using macs | 15:41 |
| lcuk | please also - anyone in US who is doing presentations from their device: Select PAL for video out | 15:42 |
| timeless_mbp | and someone should make sure badges have names in large letters on both sides | 15:42 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: that needs to be posted somewhere else | 15:42 |
| * thiago wishes meego-netbook contained OOo | 15:42 | |
| thiago | then I could use my netbook for the presentation | 15:42 |
| timeless_mbp | preferably in a way people could understand how to fix it | 15:42 |
| lcuk | yes, I am just talking as I see things here, I have another window full of lists of things and my head is melting with it | 15:43 |
| timeless_mbp | ok :) | 15:43 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps, lcuk: Well, XP computers do work for presentations. With the rest, you are always taking chances | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: that's true | 15:43 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: is there a Qt L10n talk? | 15:43 |
| lcuk | RST38h, yes I know | 15:43 |
| timeless_mbp | because i'm pretty sure people need to know, and i don't know | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: there's a meegotouch l10n one at least | 15:44 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: there's an l10n talk already, but focussing on MTF | 15:44 |
| timeless_mbp | MTF? | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | Meego touch framework | 15:44 |
| timeless_mbp | MeeGo Translation Framework? | 15:44 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, so that doesn't do it for me | 15:44 |
| timeless_mbp | Qt-L10n please? | 15:44 |
| newbie | timeless_mbp: I am not sure what you mean, I am using a kickstart file pointing to repo core and handset | 15:44 |
| timeless_mbp | or at least consider it | 15:44 |
| timeless_mbp | newbie: you'll either need to exclude a package from core | 15:45 |
| timeless_mbp | or change the handset package to divert the file | 15:45 |
| timeless_mbp | to figure out how to do diversions you'll have to learn about rpm | 15:45 |
| timeless_mbp | (i don't know) | 15:45 |
| timeless_mbp | and to exclude a file, you'll have to read about how your kickstart stuff words | 15:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | newbie: you can't just randomly merge stuff and: 1. expect it to work and 2. expect people to give you all the answers :) | 15:46 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: "http://conference2010.meego.com/session/qt-network-stack" is a bit light on content... | 15:46 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: did you read the abstract? | 15:46 |
| thiago | the summary is empty | 15:46 |
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| lcuk | I am surprised we didn't have thumbs up/down voting for the talks community wants to see ;) | 15:47 |
| timeless_mbp | no, it didn't occur to me that they'd be different | 15:47 |
| lcuk | it would make selection easier :P | 15:47 |
| timeless_mbp | but i'm going to thumbs down anything which doesn't have a summary | 15:47 |
| lcuk | o_O can we already? | 15:47 |
| * lcuk didnt see the interface for that when looking | 15:47 | |
| newbie | timeless_mbp: thanks, I'll read more on how the kickstart thing work. | 15:48 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Does Meego have /dev/fb* BTW? | 15:48 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: it'd be vaguely nice for someone to talk about how roadmaps work | 15:48 |
| timeless_mbp | like how things end up on the Qt roadmap | 15:49 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: MeeGo roadmaps or Qt roadmaps? | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: depending on device | 15:49 |
| thiago | ah, that | 15:49 |
| thiago | good | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i don't think it's ensured | 15:49 |
| thiago | that'd be me | 15:49 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: N900? | 15:49 |
| thiago | I'm writing my abstracts now | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: we have fbcon, so that'd be a yes | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: we even have chvt | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:49 |
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| RST38h | goood | 15:49 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: MeeGo roadmaps too, but i'll settle for what you can give | 15:49 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 15:49 | |
| timeless_mbp | and could someone please teach the conference people how to count? | 15:49 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm on a page and at the bottom it has "5" in Pink | 15:50 |
| timeless_mbp | the url is: | 15:50 |
| timeless_mbp | http://conference2010.meego.com/program?page=4 | 15:50 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: 1, 2, 4, | 15:50 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 15:50 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: i think they start "1 is 0, 2 is 1, 3 is 2, 4 is 3, 5 is 5" | 15:50 |
| timeless_mbp | s/5 is 5/5 is 4/ | 15:50 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: thiago: i think they start "1 is 0, 2 is 1, 3 is 2, 4 is 3, 5 is 4" | 15:50 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Need a fallback mechanism in case this Qt stuff ends up being too slow | 15:50 |
| timeless_mbp | good bot | 15:50 |
| thiago | RST38h: OpenGL | 15:50 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: is someone covering Qt-OpenGL? | 15:51 |
| timeless_mbp | or is anyone covering OpenGL ES? | 15:51 |
| thiago | there's nothing to cover there | 15:51 |
| timeless_mbp | "it just works", "it'll never work" ? | 15:51 |
| lcuk | we don't have opengl? | 15:51 |
| thiago | there are many good books on OpenGL, and you shouldn't go to a MeeGo conference to learn OpenGL | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: kate is | 15:51 |
| lcuk | kate is doing qt-mobility | 15:51 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: please poke kate about the above Ui botch :) | 15:51 |
| thiago | as for Qt's support for OpenGL, it's quite simple: it gives you a GL surface and then you play :-) | 15:51 |
| thiago | what could be interesting are the helper tools and 3D enablers | 15:52 |
| thiago | things like QMatrix4x4 | 15:52 |
| RST38h | thiago: Direct fb* access works faster than OpenGL. | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: opengl es | 15:52 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, i've now read the list of summaries | 15:52 |
| lcuk | and perf differences between n900 and netbook | 15:52 |
| lcuk | optimsing experience on both | 15:52 |
| thiago | lcuk: only if you don't have a good GL chip and driver | 15:52 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: got a handy list of Qt modules? | 15:52 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: doc.trolltech.com/latest | 15:52 |
| timeless_mbp | something i could shop from to tell you what interests me but that i didn't see listed? | 15:52 |
| * timeless_mbp clicks | 15:52 | |
| thiago | erm | 15:53 |
| thiago | RST38h: only if you don't have a good GL chip and driver | 15:53 |
| thiago | RST38h: using /dev/fb* you still have the bus bandwidth issue | 15:53 |
| RST38h | thiago: Which (surprise!) I do not have | 15:53 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: will meego support printing? | 15:54 |
| RST38h | thiago: Correct, but less of it | 15:54 |
| thiago | a 800x480 screen has ay require 1.5 MB of data per frame | 15:54 |
| thiago | calculate how much data you need to transmit at 30 or 60 fps | 15:54 |
| thiago | a good GL driver will get the ops done on the GPU already | 15:54 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: printing to PDF at least :-) | 15:54 |
| RST38h | thiago: And that will be the bare minimum I would have to transmit if I were using OpenGLES. | 15:54 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: but I see no reason why not. Print to Bluetooth printer. | 15:55 |
| thiago | RST38h: commands only | 15:55 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: i didn't see any coverage in the talks | 15:55 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: no | 15:55 |
| RST38h | thiago: I do not think you understand what exactly I am doing | 15:55 |
| timeless_mbp | if it's something we expect meego to do, perhaps it should be covered | 15:55 |
| timeless_mbp | if not, that's alright | 15:55 |
| RST38h | thiago: So let us just drop this :) | 15:55 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: you aren't trying to be a troll? :) | 15:55 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: i don't think i saw qt-multitouch | 15:56 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: we don't have to have everything in the first conference :-) | 15:56 |
| timeless_mbp | if i missed it, then i think someone's talk needs to be retitled | 15:56 |
| ali1234 | RST38h: why can't you skip the intermediate (emulated) framebuffer entirely, and draw individual pixels with GL commands? | 15:56 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: I didn't either | 15:56 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: fair enough, printing can be at the 3rd conference | 15:56 |
| * thiago writes down to ask someone to talk about it | 15:56 | |
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| thiago | timeless_mbp: besides, if it just works, what's there to talk about? :-) | 15:56 |
| timeless_mbp | =b | 15:56 |
| ali1234 | RST38h: i'm pretty sure eg spectrum couldn't do full motion video, so why do you need to redraw the entire frame every time? | 15:57 |
| thiago | unlike Qt 4.5 for Maemo 5, QPrinter will not be disabled | 15:57 |
| RST38h | ali1234: Because it will be a few orders of magnitude slower than rendering them directly | 15:57 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: ouch. touche | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: wow, printing might actually work for handset? :P | 15:57 |
| ali1234 | have you actually tried it? | 15:57 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: Fennec has it | 15:57 |
| RST38h | ali1234: Again, you do not know what I am doing | 15:57 |
| timeless_mbp | and yeah, it just works | 15:57 |
| lcuk | RST38h, with the small emulators, writing to a texture and scaling up will remove the bandwidth issue anyway | 15:57 |
| timeless_mbp | (to PDF as w/ everything else) | 15:57 |
| ali1234 | RST38h: i know exactly what you are doing, you are emulating a framebuffer for your emulators | 15:57 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: as long as CUPS is installed, it should work | 15:57 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Except it causes pretty nasty scaling issues | 15:58 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: the only thing missing is CUPS finding the printers | 15:58 |
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| * timeless_mbp worries | 15:58 | |
| thiago | as mobile devices, you shouldn't have to configure printers | 15:58 |
| timeless_mbp | my n81 8g keeps asking me which of 4 profiles to use w/ a usb power adapter | 15:58 |
| RST38h | lcuk: But yes, that is one way it can be done. Does not appear to be significantly faster than the CPU based routines I currently have | 15:58 |
| ali1234 | RST38h: another thing to consider is that if you blit direct to framebuffer you need to send 800x480x16bit but if you use GL to draw it you need send only the native size and depth of the emulated device | 15:58 |
| * Stskeeps waits on his qt build for armv7 to show how much performance we actually lose cos of the CXXFLAGS mangling | 15:58 | |
| timeless_mbp | sadly, that doesn't involve actually *charging*.. | 15:58 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: check that the flags were used. Qt doesn't like the $CXXFLAGS env variable. | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: well, meego ARM qt is unoptimized atm cos of mangling | 15:59 |
| lcuk | RST38h, did you ever see a way to change the native framebuffer to lower resolution - like I can do with xvideo? | 15:59 |
| RST38h | lcuk: No, it is kinda unfriendly to the system, causes all kinds of problems | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: so i'm checking how big impact this problem actually has | 15:59 |
| lcuk | ie open a screen at (for instance) 640*480) and have it stretch dynamically by lcd hardware | 15:59 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago: (not a qt packaging problem) | 16:00 |
| RST38h | lcuk: But I did use double-magnification on Diablo, in full screen mode, it worked | 16:00 |
| lcuk | RST38h, forgetting other system problems, is that feasible | 16:00 |
| RST38h | lcuk: With XVideo, it probably is | 16:00 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: was it in release mode at least? | 16:00 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: i.e., -O2 | 16:00 |
| * lcuk can happily switch overlay between various sizes | 16:00 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: But XVideo has no RGB planes | 16:00 |
| lcuk | but xvideo just sends ioctls down the line | 16:00 |
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| lcuk | xvideo has rgb mode | 16:00 |
| lcuk | afaik | 16:00 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Did not work for me, I tried | 16:01 |
| lcuk | ok | 16:01 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Anyway, direct fb access works | 16:01 |
| lcuk | yeah direct fb access | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: anyway, i think that's enough topics | 16:01 |
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| lcuk | but if there was a way to specify a lower res | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | but you really need to get a better search ui | 16:01 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I may try opengles again some time down the line | 16:01 |
| lcuk | lower data == faster etc | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | so one can actually browse the Qt topics | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | that was a disaster | 16:01 |
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| thiago | timeless_mbp: as for the roadmap, I was thinking that it would be two sessions: one talk for presenting the roadmap and one BoF for discussing it | 16:01 |
| RST38h | lcuk: The opengles thing sounds like the simplest way to achieve that, except that it isn't necessarily faster | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: sounds good | 16:02 |
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| lcuk | yeah because the opengl MUST send its data down the line as full res final image | 16:02 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: btw that page you linked me to | 16:02 |
| timeless_mbp | it has a really bad layout | 16:02 |
| lcuk | I am trying to see a way round that | 16:02 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You spend lot of time loading textures | 16:02 |
| timeless_mbp | Copyright © 2010 Nokia Corporation and/or its subsidiary( | 16:02 |
| lcuk | sure | 16:02 |
| timeless_mbp | -ies) | 16:02 |
| timeless_mbp | wrapped as above ^ | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: yeah, O2, but no march=armv7-a -mtune=cortex-a8 -mlittle-endian -mfpu=vfpv3 -mfloat-abi=softfp -D__SOFTFP__ | 16:02 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: see updated: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.7-snapshot/ | 16:02 |
| timeless_mbp | err | 16:02 |
| timeless_mbp | Copyright © 2010 Nokia Corporation and/or its subsidiary(- | 16:02 |
| timeless_mbp | ies) | 16:02 |
| RST38h | lcuk: The final image thing is not a problem it happens separately from you | 16:02 |
| timeless_mbp | ^ wrapped that way, sorry. | 16:02 |
| RST38h | lcuk: It is setting the texture that takes most time | 16:03 |
| Phazorx | how do i print in sed selective field (ws separated)? | 16:03 |
| timeless_mbp | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.7-snapshot/modules.html | 16:03 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: using -platform armv6 to configure? | 16:03 |
| Phazorx | i was thinking something close to 'p 2' for printing 2nd word | 16:03 |
| timeless_mbp | QtMultimedia isn't a link? | 16:03 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Apparently, it is not really accelerated in any way, and TI even wanrs about performance issues in its examples/docs | 16:03 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: i.e., Qt Arch "armv6" as opposed to "arm" | 16:03 |
| lcuk | RST38h, if your screen is never using final large size | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: not sure | 16:03 |
| lcuk | then everything else is a waste | 16:03 |
| lcuk | ie, if your emu is only at 320*200 | 16:03 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: configure must have -platform or -xplatform armv6 | 16:03 |
| RST38h | lcuk: In N900, there is no such thing as screen resolution | 16:03 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: and the line spacing on the 4.7-snapshot page w/ Safari is bad (too little spacing between lines) | 16:04 |
| * lcuk has it | 16:04 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: Your XVideo overlay is an opengles texture afaik | 16:04 |
| lcuk | no its not | 16:04 |
| timeless_mbp | Cross-platform and Platform- | 16:04 |
| timeless_mbp | specific | 16:04 |
| lcuk | it bypasses opengl | 16:04 |
| lcuk | completely | 16:04 |
| RST38h | lcuk: In N8x0, you could set screen resolution by tweaking Blizzard | 16:04 |
| timeless_mbp | the last i from the last line nearly runs into the first p from the previous line | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: -platform linux-g++ \ | 16:04 |
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| lcuk | well RST38h thats similar to what i am thinking here | 16:04 |
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| thiago | Stskeeps: without that, Qt uses slower atomics, which are WAY worse | 16:04 |
| ali1234 | omapfb has xvideo support according this patch: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-omap@vger.kernel.org/msg07271.html | 16:04 |
| Khertan_work | Hi all | 16:04 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Sure about it? What device? What ioctl()s? | 16:04 |
| ali1234 | dunno if it is in mainline | 16:04 |
| ali1234 | also dunno if it is done in hardware or not | 16:04 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: sorry, -arch armv6 | 16:04 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: I'm getting the options confused | 16:05 |
| lcuk | RST38h, if it used opengl it would be compositable and would work via the dashboard | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: i see no -arch | 16:05 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Mmm...not necessarily | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: in meego qt build | 16:05 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: do have access to the configure output? | 16:05 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago: yes, sec | 16:05 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: let me find out what you need to search for | 16:06 |
| fabo | -arch isn't passed | 16:06 |
| lcuk | RST38h, the xvideo overlay completely bypasses opengl afaik, I believe it works in systems without any of the powervr bins, but cannot confirm | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: http://pastebin.com/dsG8Le2T | 16:07 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Mmm...it does work on non-N900 hw of course | 16:07 |
| RST38h | lcuk: But depending on the system it uses different hardware | 16:07 |
| RST38h | lcuk: On x86 it will use extra image planes provided by the video controller | 16:08 |
| thiago | crap, my sysroot is broken | 16:08 |
| thiago | /home/tmacieir/.madde/arm-2010q1/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/4.4.1/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory | 16:08 |
| thiago | it says "arm" | 16:09 |
| thiago | please pass the -arch armv6 option | 16:09 |
| thiago | it's using the slower armv5 atomics and indirects | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | do you have a decent one for the armv5 variant? | 16:09 |
| thiago | it's slower | 16:09 |
| RST38h | anyways, I won;t be able to try this until I switch from MeegoTouch to plain Qt | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | well, i mean like, what's the armv5 equivalent of -arch? | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:09 |
| thiago | "arm" | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:10 |
| thiago | it's the one that is selected right now | 16:10 |
| fabo | Stskeeps: current one :) | 16:10 |
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| thiago | it uses the kernel-provided solution | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: how does it detect armv6 ordinarily? | 16:10 |
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| thiago | it doesn't | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:11 |
| thiago | you have to tell it to use, via the -arch armv6 option | 16:11 |
| thiago | we need to add an armv7 one though | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | well, that might help our performance a tad more then | 16:11 |
| * fabo is fixing | 16:11 | |
| thiago | probably a lot | 16:11 |
| thiago | the only thing worse than the atomics is inlining | 16:11 |
| * thiago can't ssh into his prototype | 16:12 | |
| Stskeeps | it's monday afterall | 16:12 |
| thiago | sshd not responding... | 16:13 |
| thiago | where's the xterm | 16:13 |
| thiago | rebooting | 16:14 |
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| thiago | with the "arm" architecture, Qt uses a restartable cmpxchg that Linux provides in EABI | 16:21 |
| CosmoHill | I just had a bloody quick shave, by that i mean I rushed it and I'm now bleeding | 16:21 |
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| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: tmi | 16:21 |
| CosmoHill | there was a quiet spot | 16:22 |
| thiago | see http://lwn.net/Articles/314561/ | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | does the armv6 arch setting need -march=armv7-a and such? | 16:23 |
| thiago | yes | 16:23 |
| thiago | that only affects the atomics, not the options to the compiler | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | does qt add that itself? | 16:23 |
| thiago | no | 16:25 |
| vlj | are boost included in meego ? | 16:25 |
| thiago | compiler flags are only set in the mkspec | 16:25 |
| vlj | boost c++ libs | 16:25 |
| thiago | the -arch flag is to set the processor | 16:25 |
| thiago | they're orthogonal | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | so compile will break because -march=armv7-a isn't in compiler flags? :P | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | (or armv6 | 16:26 |
| thiago | -arch armv6 enables the ARMv6 ldrex and strex instructions needed for proper atomics | 16:26 |
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| thiago | without them (in -arch arm), Qt makes a call to 0xffff0fc0 and lets the kernel do the job | 16:26 |
| thiago | the kernel has the code there, so it's not that bad, but it's still a function call | 16:27 |
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| thiago | and the atomics are therefore implemented in terms of cmpxchg, instead of the proper LL/SC semantics | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:27 |
| thiago | the armv6 arch has LL/SC. For ARMv7, we need to add the memory barrier instructions. | 16:28 |
| thiago | ARM is like Itanium there | 16:28 |
| thiago | or more like PowerPC, which also has LL/SC instructions and one for memory barrier: eieio | 16:29 |
| * TSCHAKeee chuckles | 16:29 | |
| thiago | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EIEIO | 16:30 |
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| thiago | Stskeeps: should we be submitting BoF proposals now? | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: i think it can't harm - there's already some BoF suggested on interesting topics | 16:55 |
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| Stskeeps | perhaps lightning talk call should include BoF's as well | 16:55 |
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| fabo | Stskeeps: http://build.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=qt&project=devel:qt-mtf&repository=testing | 17:22 |
| fabo | thiago: /tmp/ccUbijb7.s:308: Error: selected processor does not support `ldrex r2,[r7]' | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | fabo: yes, it's related to the CXXFLAGS mangling | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | fabo: home:cvm:optqt is something i'm working on in that regard | 17:22 |
| fabo | Stskeeps: the only difference on this build is -arch armv6 | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | fabo: yes | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | fabo: it can't build it cos we're actually optimizing for what is gcc's ARM baseline | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | cos of .. sec | 17:24 |
| fabo | I'll comment in the meantime | 17:24 |
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| thiago | fabo: well, we know it used the right instruction at least :-) | 17:25 |
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| thiago | we want to use ldrex | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | fabo: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5420 , http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5592 | 17:25 |
| fabo | yep | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | that's one of the fixes i'm testing out atm in home:cvm:optqt | 17:26 |
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| fabo | kaitlin_: ping | 17:31 |
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| kaitlin_ | fabo: Hello =) | 17:34 |
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| fabo | kaitlin_: Hi Kaitlin :) | 17:35 |
| fabo | kaitlin_: I would like to push a patch for Qt Mobility. It will update QtContacts API to 1.1 | 17:35 |
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| fabo | kaitlin_: it seems some developers started to use some API not released with 1.0.2 ... | 17:36 |
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| kaitlin_ | I've heard of some interest in some of the newer APIs. | 17:37 |
| fabo | kaitlin_: to avoid to block them, I can update the API. I tested if it doesn't break previous application using QtContacts 1.0.2 | 17:37 |
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| fabo | kaitlin_: not the best scenario but I would like to hear your opinion before commiting this changes | 17:38 |
| Phazorx | http://dpaste.com/232754/ << how can i prevent Xorg from dropping synaptics driver? | 17:38 |
| kaitlin_ | fabo: I think that's fine. As long as it doesn't break existing functionality, I think we're fine to carry a patch for awhile. | 17:38 |
| fabo | kaitlin_: ok, sounds good then | 17:39 |
| Phazorx | i kinda need the module for touchpad to function properly and using http://andreascarpino.it/2010/04/xorg-1-8-synaptics-touchpad-configuration/ kills the keyboard and brings no joy whatsoever | 17:39 |
| kaitlin_ | I can do some testing today too if you'd like. | 17:39 |
| kaitlin_ | fabo: But if you tested it, then I think we're good to go. | 17:40 |
| fabo | kaitlin_: bernd pushed this changes also, so I count on him for the testing too :) | 17:41 |
| Aard | I don't think we have that many applications using the contacts api in public, but I'll test with other stuff once it's in meego | 17:42 |
| kaitlin_ | Aard: I think meego-handset-people uses it. | 17:42 |
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| RST38h | BTW, if I set QPainter::scale() to something and the draw an image there, will it automatically magnify? | 18:25 |
| RST38h | Also, will the Maemo5 version use OpenGLES for that? | 18:25 |
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| abinader | hi, does anyone know the deadline time (in UTC) to call for session proposals? | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | Did you submit a proposal for the MeeGo Conference? You have until Aug 23 (11:59PM Pacific time): | 18:28 |
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| RST38h | Ok, an alternative question: is there some place online where I can browse Qt source code? (including the Maemo5 bits) | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | gitorious? | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | qt.gitorious.org | 18:29 |
| abinader | Stskeeps: thanks :) | 18:29 |
| RST38h | ok | 18:29 |
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| RST38h | Mghm, git website brought down my firefox | 18:32 |
| RST38h | Weird | 18:32 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: Maybe I am missing something but I cannot find a single Maemo or Meego related bit in that Qt code | 18:38 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: X11 is there, Windows and MacOS are there, S60 is there (!) but not Maemo or Meego | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: probably hiding, but maemo/meego is variants of x11 | 18:39 |
| RST38h | Ah ok | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | in fact, meego is x11 one i believe | 18:39 |
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| RST38h | But another finding is that the QPainter::drawImage is not optimized in any way, as it looks | 18:39 |
| RST38h | it is simply copying data | 18:39 |
| RST38h | Does not seem to care about scale() call either | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | http://blog.rburchell.com/2010/04/qt-on-maemo-warning.html | 18:40 |
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| Stskeeps | .. maybe not that post | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | there's one called "each time you scale a pixmap god kills a kitten" | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | or something | 18:41 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Well this does not relate to me | 18:41 |
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| Stskeeps | is it on meego, pc, or maemo? | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:42 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, different issue | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | mmk | 18:42 |
| lcuk | the optimisation in that case relates to passing through lists etc | 18:42 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: But, it does seem to imply that whatever Qt people say about "GL acceleration" is apparently non-existant unless you use GL | 18:42 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: The code he is quoting does something completely different. It uses GTK-compatible themes and draws pixmaps rather than qimages | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: got a qglwidget? | 18:43 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: I would like to avoid using GL directly. It is pain and too slow to be worth it | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough | 18:44 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: If Qt used it implicitely, it would probably be worth it, but between plain GLES and /dev/fb* the frame buffer wins hands down | 18:44 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: So I will most likely default to my old scheme (scaling up using opitmized arm assembly, then drawing image using QPainter without scaling) | 18:45 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: and for the full screen go with the fb | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | mmk | 18:45 |
| * Stskeeps 's brain has shut off for today, tbh | 18:45 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:45 |
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| th3hate | Stskeeps, wasn't the 1.0.90 beta supposed to be released this week? | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | th3hate: things skipped a week | 19:05 |
| th3hate | Stskeeps, but beta will be feature complete even on n900? | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | th3hate: i don't know if we'll be feature complete for 1.1 when it comes to n900 hardware. i hope we will, but i don't know. | 19:06 |
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| th3hate | Stskeeps, you mean the 1.1 october release? | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | th3hate: yeah | 19:08 |
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| N9-da-king | whoa...did you guys see n9's specs??? snapdraggon 1ghz...4 inch oled....etc | 19:20 |
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| slonopotamus | :D | 19:20 |
| N9-da-king | none this resistive bullcrap too | 19:20 |
| slonopotamus | let the battle begin | 19:20 |
| kirma | and where exactly you have acquired the specifications? | 19:21 |
| CosmoHill | what is it with people and the N9 | 19:21 |
| slonopotamus | N9-da-king: yesterday this topic didn't bring much positiveness | 19:21 |
| N9-da-king | this thing smokes!! forget the rest | 19:22 |
| kirma | most of the "leaks" I've seen regarding those "specifications" have certainly lacked any kind of professionalism regarding realistic assumptions | 19:22 |
| N9-da-king | finally a top end fone from nokia that kicks major ass | 19:23 |
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| CosmoHill | N9-da-king: your mum is a sony erricson now go away | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | N9-da-king: leak is insane as harmattan is for sure a OMAP3 platform | 19:23 |
| N9-da-king | why you guys so negative??? | 19:24 |
| Summeli | RST38h: your blit plan is quite similar to mine :) | 19:24 |
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| ali1234 | don't nokia like to use their own modem chipset? | 19:24 |
| CosmoHill | oh you're human, i thought you where a bot | 19:24 |
| kirma | I'm quite likely to buy N9, but the "leaks" are just absurd... "I'll invent half a dozen buzzwords and use hyped-up terms and features, and call it a leak" | 19:24 |
| N9-da-king | n9 is the only chance meego got | 19:24 |
| N9-da-king | if nokia dont support it meego is finished...soyonara | 19:24 |
| Summeli | however I hope that the Qt pixmap scaling would be fast enough on N9/meego | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | N9-da-king: first off, this isn't a nokia product channel, and you're off topic | 19:24 |
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| N9-da-king | lol....you serious mate? its meego, aint it? | 19:25 |
| N9-da-king | http://www.intomobile.com/2010/08/23/rumor-nokia-n9-specifications-4-inch-oled-screen-qualcomm-1-ghz-snapdragon-512-mb-ram/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IntoMobile+%28IntoMobile%29 | 19:25 |
| Summeli | the GL approach is way too slow if you're planning to blit as textures | 19:25 |
| kirma | meego isn't N9 or Nokia, though | 19:25 |
| ali1234 | are there any meego handsets announced officially? | 19:25 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: he'll be on-topic if he claims N9 will run meego :P | 19:26 |
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| ali1234 | i mean real ones, not development platforms :) | 19:26 |
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| N9-da-king | N9 WILL be meego, what are you guys smoking ???? | 19:26 |
| CosmoHill | until the N9 is officially announced, I don't care | 19:26 |
| ali1234 | N9-da-king: is your name lee by any chance? | 19:27 |
| lcuk | N9-da-king, I want to know what you are smoking, since you seem to have lost your short term memory | 19:27 |
| CosmoHill | meego is a linux distro designed for netbooks and smart phones | 19:27 |
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| kirma | although I couldn't rule out snapdragon with over 95% likelihood, that is quite unlikely proposition tostart with, considering nokias' relations with TI and the realities of development | 19:27 |
| CosmoHill | sure the N9 is /A/ phone but it's not the only thing | 19:27 |
| N9-da-king | man... this is the only community that woud | 19:27 |
| N9-da-king | man this is the only community that would shit on the only hope they have | 19:27 |
| CosmoHill | the N9 is not meegos only hope | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | N9-da-king: this is a software community. | 19:28 |
| CosmoHill | nokia make more than one phone | 19:28 |
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| Stskeeps | we don't dabble in hardware production. | 19:28 |
| CosmoHill | and meego is designed for more than one phone | 19:28 |
| N9-da-king | would yous rather talk about meego on refrigerators and car audios or the n9 ?? | 19:28 |
| lcuk | actually, yes. | 19:28 |
| CosmoHill | none of the above | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | N9-da-king: or lighters | 19:29 |
| lcuk | haha | 19:29 |
| * lcuk saw a laser projector inside a zippo case the other day | 19:29 | |
| kirma | as long as about a year ago I remember hearin"g ofseveral different maemo6-taergeted prototype devices being worked on at nokia... N9 is just one of them | 19:29 |
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| N9-da-king | i am telling you... n9 smokes and hopefully nokia takes care of meego properly....none this community shit | 19:29 |
| CosmoHill | you do know that without the community meego would probably die? | 19:30 |
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| kirma | interesting attitude. | 19:30 |
| CosmoHill | and with that, I'm gonna ignore you | 19:30 |
| N9-da-king | without nokia ??? who gives a shit about some korean manufacturer? it HAS to be a nokia mate | 19:30 |
| CosmoHill | mmm, casual racism | 19:31 |
| CosmoHill | btw how old are you? | 19:32 |
| N9-da-king | ok....so you folks are shitting on the n9, did i get it straight? | 19:32 |
| N9-da-king | I am 47...why? | 19:32 |
| CosmoHill | i was expecting "14". | 19:32 |
| Phazorx | considering this is open source project with open arch approach targeted to many devices being solmenly designed by single company engineers for one specific phone will kill the idea | 19:32 |
| CosmoHill | also we can't shit on something that hasn't been released yet | 19:32 |
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| kirma | N900 was manufactured in korea, btw | 19:32 |
| ali1234 | kirma: he hates N900 remember? | 19:33 |
| CosmoHill | meego supports x86. ARM9 and whatever else the community build it for | 19:33 |
| * slonopotamus really wishes irc had kick/ban based on voting :) | 19:33 | |
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| CosmoHill | slonopotamus: we could vote now and the op might kill him if we ask nicely | 19:33 |
| Phazorx | CosmoHill: and is based on linux framework - so it is not hardware limited at ll neither it is software limited... and nokeia n whatever is just one phone | 19:34 |
| N9-da-king | lol.... | 19:34 |
| CosmoHill | I think the main thing to take away from this is that the N9 is one single device (which hasn't been released yet) | 19:34 |
| slonopotamus | CosmoHill: then you have a single one to blame/critisize - op who kicked. | 19:34 |
| N9-da-king | for all you know i could be holding the N9 in my hands.... | 19:34 |
| CosmoHill | slonopotamus: that is why you have bots | 19:34 |
| CosmoHill | N9-da-king: you're not | 19:35 |
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| Phazorx | N9-da-king: and i could be holding something else, so what? | 19:35 |
| N9-da-king | maybe i am maybe i am not | 19:35 |
| CosmoHill | you type to fast to be holding something | 19:35 |
| N9-da-king | lol | 19:36 |
| N9-da-king | nice aluminum finish....love it ! | 19:36 |
| kirma | brand fanatics are an odd bunch | 19:36 |
| lcuk | what is aluminum? | 19:36 |
| CosmoHill | i was once stuck between a windows and an apple fanboy | 19:37 |
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| Phazorx | aaaaannnyyyyway... lets get constructive: what can i do to make connman not hate me? | 19:37 |
| CosmoHill | his wife? | 19:37 |
| CosmoHill | oh wait, not hate you | 19:37 |
| frals | anyone knows when mr m shaver usually gets in? | 19:37 |
| N9-da-king | i am not a nokia fanatic... for starters i think n900 sucks balls....n9 is a different beast | 19:37 |
| CosmoHill | frals: that his real name? | 19:37 |
| lcuk | N9-da-king, then go back to engadget and carry on fapping | 19:38 |
| lcuk | as it happens you are lowering the IQ in this channel | 19:38 |
| frals | CosmoHill: http://gitorious.org/~mshaver | 19:38 |
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| GAN900 | frals, email. . . . | 19:38 |
| Phazorx | CosmoHill: considering how picky it is - it hates me... particualry the timing it takes to load mac80211 and ath9k on this N150 | 19:38 |
| N9-da-king | lcuk: iq in this channel? | 19:38 |
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| kirma | well, anyone getting emotional over hardware is pretty many standard deviations off ;) | 19:38 |
| frals | GAN900: waiting for 10hrs.. hence asking if anyone knows his working hours :p | 19:38 |
| CosmoHill | so I have a question | 19:39 |
| CosmoHill | on meego.com I saw that PowerDVD was coming to meego | 19:39 |
| N9-da-king | go on | 19:39 |
| GAN900 | frals, working ours are: Never on when you need him. | 19:39 |
| CosmoHill | to play DVDs on meego you need a DVD drive | 19:39 |
| CosmoHill | what key feature do netbooks normally lack? | 19:39 |
| lcuk | well, I have had enough | 19:39 |
| lcuk | *@*74.198.8.47 added to ignore list. | 19:39 |
| kirma | I'm waiting for a good meego phone and hope that one comes from Nokia soon enough... but eh, that's it. | 19:39 |
| ali1234 | CosmoHill: but IVI might have a DVD slot | 19:39 |
| ali1234 | just a guess | 19:40 |
| N9-da-king | ooooopi | 19:40 |
| CosmoHill | damn forgot about that | 19:40 |
| ali1234 | connected TV too | 19:40 |
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| CosmoHill | we need that screen from the land rovers | 19:40 |
| Phazorx | powerdvd need to grow a bit to start compeeting with xbmc | 19:40 |
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| CosmoHill | the one where its' GPS for the drive and DVD for the passanger / kids | 19:40 |
| *** Stskeeps sets mode: +b *!*user@74.198.*.* | 19:40 | |
| CosmoHill | on one monitor | 19:40 |
| *** N9-da-king was kicked by Stskeeps (have been warned several times, not correcting troll-ish behaviour.) | 19:41 | |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: "I banned you using a N900, goodbye" | 19:41 |
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| kirma | I'm using it now, too. it's a reasonable irc tool. (ok, over with it) | 19:42 |
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| CosmoHill | if he comes back we should say that the N9 can't hold a candle to the N10 | 19:44 |
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| leinir | CosmoHill: What, you mean the one with the dual-core snapdragon 1.5 ghz and full hd hdmi out? ;) | 19:46 |
| CosmoHill | don't forget wireless H technogly | 19:47 |
| leinir | Totally | 19:47 |
| leinir | And the 1200dpi wacom-hybrid screen ;) | 19:47 |
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| CosmoHill | the N11 is better tho | 19:48 |
| CosmoHill | build in 3D mini-projector | 19:48 |
| lcuk | screw you guys, you are living in the past, we went all the way through and have N900 now! | 19:48 |
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| ali1234 | whatever that thing is, the keyboard looks rubbish. psion solved that problem 10 years ago, why can nobody make a mobile computer with a decent keyboard? | 19:48 |
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| kirma | at the same time the fanboy ravings are funny and depressing... especially when semi-respectable web sites publish their ravings as trusted leaks | 19:48 |
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| `Alt096 | hi all | 19:49 |
| CosmoHill | hello | 19:49 |
| CosmoHill | if you mention the N9 you will be shot ^.^ | 19:49 |
| `Alt096 | someone knows if is possible to virtualize meego? | 19:49 |
| * lcuk will submit this proposal then go to hospital I think | 19:49 | |
| `Alt096 | i would run it under windows 7 | 19:49 |
| `Alt096 | clear | 19:50 |
| `Alt096 | sorry | 19:50 |
| leinir | sorry, touch surface | 19:50 |
| leinir | the screen is, of course, a pixel qi ;) | 19:51 |
| CosmoHill | I think it requires to much 3D acceleration that isn't able to be virtualised yet | 19:51 |
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| `Alt096 | if i had a touchscrenn? | 19:51 |
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| CosmoHill | i think virtual box supports multi-touch emulation | 19:51 |
| `Alt096 | yes but i don't know how to set vbox | 19:52 |
| `Alt096 | as starting from the boot cd the installation does not run | 19:52 |
| kirma | virtualization should be quite achievable, but virtualizing 3D parts would require setting drivers for the virtualization system | 19:52 |
| Robot101 | CosmoHill: we've done 3d virtualisation for MeeGo | 19:53 |
| `Alt096 | kirma sorry for my miss but what do you mean when u talk about 3d ? | 19:53 |
| Robot101 | ok, well it's not virtualised, it's a pass-through | 19:53 |
| kirma | alt096: mostly ability to support compositing efficiently on the X server | 19:54 |
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| `Alt096 | so even if i have a core duo i cannot run it? | 19:55 |
| Robot101 | CosmoHill: http://gitorious.org/vm-gl-accel | 19:55 |
| kirma | fancy effects of modern window managers depend largely on efficient implementation of opengl with programmable shaders | 19:56 |
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| `Alt096 | ok i will wait someone more practice than me | 19:56 |
| `Alt096 | that will write a guide :D | 19:56 |
| `Alt096 | I have downloaded meego for netbook | 19:57 |
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| kirma | virtualbox has also sort of 3# passthrough, although I haven't read the source... | 19:57 |
| `Alt096 | but i have not enough time to screw it | 19:57 |
| kirma | 3D | 19:57 |
| `Alt096 | anyway thanks to all | 19:57 |
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| `Alt096 | i can buy a n9 | 19:58 |
| `Alt096 | :D | 19:58 |
| kirma | eh. | 19:58 |
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| `Alt096 | i hope that n9 will have meego | 20:00 |
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| hena | says it's symbian | 20:00 |
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| CosmoHill | Robot101: oo | 20:03 |
| lcuk | Robot101, is that a spyro I spy commiting to the vm-gl repo :D | 20:05 |
| CosmoHill | spyro the dragon? | 20:05 |
| CosmoHill | ^.^ | 20:05 |
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| tripzero | hena, who said it's symbian on the n9? | 20:05 |
| lcuk | yeah, and also spyro the collaboran :) | 20:06 |
| hena | some website, but then the next site said it would be the first meego phone | 20:07 |
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| tripzero | mmm... speculation | 20:08 |
| tripzero | tastes great in the morning | 20:09 |
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| TSCHAKeee | wow, i'm gone for 5 minutes | 20:12 |
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| TSCHAKeee | and i see a full on leak as rant fanboi gizm scroll by | 20:12 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: yeah | 20:14 |
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| vlj | how can I add an installed app to the "App Panel" ? | 20:52 |
| CosmoHill | you know the scratch remover for cars? Does it work on laptops? | 20:52 |
| vlj | I installed qtcreator but there is no icon | 20:52 |
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| jedix | Is there a list of required packages to make a MIC2 image? ie: the list of basic packages required to have the image bootable? | 21:13 |
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| lcuk | how many hours until call for papers closes | 21:32 |
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| DawnFoster | lcuk: technically they close in about 12 hours | 21:34 |
| CosmoHill | so about 6am UTC? | 21:35 |
| DawnFoster | however, we might extend it to fill some gaps and make it clear that BOFs should be submitted | 21:35 |
| DawnFoster | but you should submit now in case we decide not to extend :) | 21:35 |
| DawnFoster | I'll post something to the mailing list when we decide for sure | 21:35 |
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| timeless | dawn: i had someone add me to their presentation, do i hyave to do something else? | 21:36 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, I have a talk I am chopping to size and to read correctly, but I have the worst ear ache, hence me asking ;) | 21:36 |
| sivang | timeless: I'm doing that right now :) | 21:36 |
| timeless | :) | 21:36 |
| lcuk | I am off to doctors knowing it will be open after midnight | 21:36 |
| sivang | timeless: a very important event this week needs my preperations so this got a bit pushed back, together with juggling with the day job | 21:37 |
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| sivang | now where is the proposals page :) | 21:37 |
| sivang | when will the things unconference/bof planning start, o the 13th? | 21:39 |
| DawnFoster | http://conference2010.meego.com/program/call-session-proposals | 21:39 |
| DawnFoster | BOFs need to be submitted as sessions | 21:39 |
| DawnFoster | preface title with BOF: | 21:39 |
| DawnFoster | unconference planning happens at the event | 21:39 |
| DawnFoster | not sure how lightening talks are being organized | 21:40 |
| sivang | DawnFoster: but from the 13th ? | 21:40 |
| sivang | I got the impression that there are more activites other than the 15-17th | 21:40 |
| DawnFoster | 17th is the unconference day | 21:40 |
| DawnFoster | we | 21:40 |
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| sivang | DawnFoster: okay, cool | 21:40 |
| DawnFoster | we've talked about doing some weekend activities if people are interested | 21:41 |
| ali1234 | what does BOF stand for? | 21:41 |
| sivang | ali1234: Birds of Feather | 21:41 |
| DawnFoster | those are still TBD until we find out if people want to come early | 21:41 |
| timeless | infobot bof? | 21:41 |
| sivang | DawnFoster: e.g. arrive on the or before the 13th ? | 21:41 |
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| ali1234 | hmm i still don't know what it means :/ | 21:41 |
| sivang | DawnFoster: eer, the 14th :) | 21:41 |
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| lcuk | BASTARD OPERATOR FROM.... or rather, birds of a feather, a disucssion session | 21:42 |
| sivang | ali1234: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birds_of_a_Feather_(computing) | 21:42 |
| DawnFoster | sivang: people should arrive no later than the 14th, since the conference starts first thing in the morning on the 13th | 21:42 |
| sivang | lcuk: heh | 21:42 |
| DawnFoster | oops | 21:42 |
| DawnFoster | 15th | 21:42 |
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| DawnFoster | 9am on the 15th | 21:42 |
| sivang | DawnFoster: heh, I managed to confuse as well :) | 21:42 |
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| DawnFoster | http://conference2010.meego.com/program/tentative-schedule | 21:42 |
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| sivang | DawnFoster: great , thanks | 21:43 |
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| DawnFoster | if enough people are around early - we can organize something fun. I'll probably fly in on the 13th to help with setup, etc. anyway | 21:43 |
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| sivang | DawnFoster: that would rock. | 21:47 |
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| Zoltan2 | Is it just me or is this link broken? http://apidocs.meego.com/qt4.7/ -> Examples http://apidocs.meego.com/qt4.7/examples.html doesn't exist | 22:15 |
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| ali1234 | Zoltan2: nope, it's broken | 22:16 |
| Zoltan2 | Any ideas how to report it to webmaster? | 22:16 |
| ali1234 | bugs.meego.com | 22:16 |
| Zoltan2 | Okay | 22:16 |
| ali1234 | there is a section for apidocs | 22:16 |
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| vlj | Stskeeps: ping | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | plonk | 22:17 |
| ali1234 | Zoltan2: hmm in fact there isn't a section for apidocs.meego.com, maybe it's not done yet | 22:18 |
| vlj | How do you configure Meego/Xorg.conf to map alt+tab shortcut to app switching ? | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | vlj: no clue | 22:18 |
| vlj | currently it switches between Xorg and VT1 | 22:18 |
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| tapas | is there an emulator around that can run meego? or can i just boot it up in kvm? | 22:21 |
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| fprimex | tapas: I'm new here but I think there are virtualbox instructions on the website | 22:23 |
| tapas | fprimex: ty | 22:24 |
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| Zoltan2 | ali1234: funny, I can't even register in meego bugzilla, it says "Use lower case letters a-z and/or digits 0-9; no spaces, underscores, hyphens or other punctuation." for my nick Zoltan | 22:24 |
| ali1234 | Zoltan2: make an account through meego.com | 22:24 |
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| ali1234 | then you have access to everything | 22:24 |
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| Zoltan2 | ali1234: that's exactly what I am doing at http://meego.com/user/register | 22:26 |
| Zoltan2 | Ah, it doesn't like capital Z | 22:26 |
| vlj | what is "Garage" ? | 22:26 |
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| ali1234 | Zoltan2: that's odd there's plenty of people with uppercase in their usernames... | 22:27 |
| Zoltan2 | Well I could go on with "zoltan" | 22:27 |
| ali1234 | ah i think you can change the way it is displayed | 22:27 |
| ali1234 | yeah, you can change it after you log in | 22:28 |
| tapas | fprimex: ah it looks like it's for the netbook edition | 22:29 |
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| tapas | fprimex: i wonder whether it's possible to have an emulator run the handset images | 22:29 |
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| fprimex | tapas: ah, that I don't know | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | there's a handse qemu image | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | t | 22:30 |
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| tapas | Stskeeps: ok, cool.. | 22:30 |
| ali1234 | vlj: garage.maemo.org - but for meego | 22:30 |
| vlj | well what is the difference between garage.maemo.org and, let's say, obs ? | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | garage is a stone age creature and obs is a spaceship. | 22:31 |
| ali1234 | vlj: garage does source code management, OBS builds packages | 22:31 |
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| vlj | ok | 22:31 |
| vlj | is garage.maemo.org "connected" with meego ? | 22:32 |
| ali1234 | no | 22:32 |
| ali1234 | meego will have it's own garage i guess | 22:32 |
| vlj | I mean, maemo garage won't merge with meego garage ? | 22:32 |
| ali1234 | i doubt it | 22:32 |
| ali1234 | i guess anything is possible | 22:33 |
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| vlj | ok | 22:34 |
| Zoltan2 | Ok first bug on MeeGo even before I tried to do something filed | 22:36 |
| andre__ | vlj, why should it merge? | 22:36 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: hehe re: stoneage and spaceships | 22:37 |
| sivang | Zoltan2: link? | 22:37 |
| sivang | do we get to have aliens as well ? | 22:38 |
| Zoltan2 | sivang: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5675 | 22:38 |
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| sivang | Zoltan2: hrm, this is an apidoc error no? | 22:39 |
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| Zoltan2 | sivang: there is no such category as apidocs.meego.com in bugzilla at the moment so I filed generally on meego.com | 22:39 |
| Zoltan2 | sivang: if you know a better category you are free to modify the bug | 22:40 |
| sivang | Zoltan2: no that's okay, but you saud "bug on MeeGo" which for me implied on the OS | 22:41 |
| Zoltan2 | Ah you're right here | 22:41 |
| Zoltan2 | I didn't get to OS yet, just trying to figure how to create applications for it | 22:42 |
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| vlj | Stskeeps: do you know how I can add an icon to MyApp Zone ? | 22:54 |
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| thiago_home | click the pin thing in the top-right | 22:59 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, I saw the extension, I will still submit tonight but being able to finish it after docs tomorrow would be easier | 23:19 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: now you have a few more days. | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: am i blind or do i not see any date anywhere? | 23:19 |
| DawnFoster | http://conference2010.meego.com/news/meego-conference-session-proposal-deadline-extended-august-27-1159pm-pacific-time | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | (in the mail) | 23:20 |
| DawnFoster | it's in the subject line of the email | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | guess i'm blind and it's time to sleep ;) | 23:20 |
| DawnFoster | probably should have included it in the body, too :) | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | IRC topics and subject lines, noone reads them ;) | 23:20 |
| lcuk | depends on the server :) | 23:21 |
| lcuk | with freenode having 434309092340923409432094 channels having informative topic helps | 23:21 |
| sivang | night all | 23:23 |
| leinir | DawnFoster: How do you identify middleware sessions? :) | 23:23 |
| leinir | because i did not state in mine that that's what it is... :) | 23:23 |
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| DawnFoster | leinir: the middleware section in the architecture diagram, mostly http://meego.com/developers/meego-architecture | 23:24 |
| DawnFoster | there were some middleware sessions, but there are so many middleware components and some weren't well represented | 23:24 |
| leinir | Ooh right, then i misunderstood the term :) | 23:25 |
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| leinir | The session i referred to is the Gluon one, about how to use Gluon to build and distribute games on MeeGo :) | 23:27 |
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| leinir | (just in case anyone was wondering ;) ) | 23:34 |
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| lcuk | leinir, what does gluon compile apps into? | 23:38 |
| lcuk | or what is it written in (if it parses runtime data) | 23:39 |
| leinir | lcuk: It doesn't :) | 23:39 |
| leinir | Game logic is written in QtScript :) | 23:39 |
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| lcuk | cool, so does it work with native qt games? | 23:40 |
| leinir | and it comes with a lot of boilerplate code already written, so you very rarely need to write heavy computational stuff yourself :) | 23:40 |
| lcuk | or libmeegotouch specifically? | 23:40 |
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| leinir | i would like to postpone this, even though i'd like to discuss it... i really must be off to bed (hence my awayness) | 23:43 |
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| lcuk | leinir, no probs dude,sleep well | 23:44 |
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| CosmoHill | night night leinir | 23:45 |
| leinir | cheers - you too when you get that far :) | 23:45 |
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| leinir | In the meantime - http://gluon.gamingfreedom.org/ and http://gamingfreedom.org/ contain lots of infos ;) | 23:45 |
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| Venemo | DawnFoster: something fun? :) | 23:46 |
| Venemo | DawnFoster: sorry, I've just reacted to an age-old post by accident | 23:46 |
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| jedix | hey guys, I'm getting this error that was posted a while ago by someone else: http://pastebin.com/tDcheBuc | 23:48 |
| jedix | it's a mic-image-creator error | 23:48 |
| jedix | anyone know what causes it/how to fix it? | 23:48 |
| jedix | or anything on it really.. | 23:48 |
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| burton | hello | 23:49 |
| jedix | hi | 23:49 |
| burton | I'm currently trying meego for the first time and i'm quite impressed but some softwares i frequently use in my daily life aren't in meego's repo | 23:50 |
| burton | is there a way to use other rpm repo's or do i have to compile everything by hand? | 23:50 |
| burton | or maybe creating packages? | 23:50 |
| CosmoHill | what software is it? someone may have already made their own rpm | 23:51 |
| burton | I haven't made a list yet but the first things I tried are emacs, ntfs, mplayer, ... | 23:51 |
| jedix | check Extras | 23:52 |
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| Phazorx | anyone having issues with connman? | 23:53 |
| burton | (I forgot to mention I'm on a netbook, but I think emacs made it clear) | 23:54 |
| jedix | burton: there's an Extra repo, I think | 23:54 |
| burton | jedix: I'm looking for it on google | 23:54 |
| jedix | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0.1/extra/repos/ia32/packages/i586/ | 23:54 |
| jedix | there's emacs in there | 23:54 |
| Phazorx | particularly on fast booting netbooks | 23:54 |
| burton | jedix: \o/ | 23:54 |
| * CosmoHill points to vim.rpm | 23:55 | |
| CosmoHill | >.> | 23:55 |
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| burton | thanks I'm gonna look there | 23:55 |
| jedix | there's mplayer somewhere I think.. | 23:55 |
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| burton | I have to go, but I'm definitly gonna stick a little bit around meego | 23:56 |
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| Phazorx | burton: mplayer can probably be omited in favor of xbcm | 23:56 |
| Phazorx | considering it is netbook and you are unlikely to play video in xless console | 23:57 |
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