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| lbt | Stskeeps: are the proposals public? | 00:09 |
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| Stskeeps | of the conference? yes | 00:10 |
| Stskeeps | the process of selecting won't be | 00:10 |
| Stskeeps | click 'program' on the conference site | 00:10 |
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| ali1234 | new report: http://pastebin.com/xGrqMc36 | 00:21 |
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| ali1234 | i used the less agressive -d option for objdump this time, and also eliminated some false positives, and added checking for sse4.1 and sse4.2 | 00:22 |
| ali1234 | according to that hardly anything at all is optimized | 00:22 |
| ali1234 | and it looks like those few are pulling in the same static object from somewhere | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | thats the only optimized? | 00:24 |
| ali1234 | i can't say i am 100% confident i am doing this right | 00:24 |
| ali1234 | i know my previous list was wrong though | 00:24 |
| ali1234 | had bugs that i've fixed | 00:24 |
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| Stskeeps | well, what tool do you use? | 00:25 |
| ali1234 | objdump -d | 00:26 |
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| ali1234 | and grep, find, xargs | 00:26 |
| ali1234 | oh and rpm2cpio to unpack them :) | 00:26 |
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| Stskeeps | i'd expect qt to have ssse3 | 00:26 |
| ali1234 | it showed up in the old list | 00:27 |
| Stskeeps | and its not on this list | 00:27 |
| ali1234 | maybe -D is necessary then | 00:27 |
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| ali1234 | "Like -d, but disassemble the contents of all sections, not just those expected to contain instructions." | 00:27 |
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| ali1234 | ok, -D is finding more of the ones form the old list | 00:31 |
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| Phazorx | is there a guide like this for MeeGo: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Extra_Keyboard_Keys_in_Xorg | 00:36 |
| Phazorx | i use setkeycodes to make it works in console | 00:37 |
| Phazorx | and dmesg is happy now | 00:37 |
| Phazorx | but i dont know (or it does not work?) how to make xorg to recognize them | 00:37 |
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| ali1234 | ah here we go, picking up stuff from the kernels now | 00:39 |
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| ali1234 | i suppose the way to check would be to run this script against fedora | 00:50 |
| ali1234 | if it gets 0 hits then it's probably fairly accurate | 00:50 |
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| ali1234 | new report with -D : http://pastebin.com/FTdtzZ9L | 00:55 |
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| ali1234 | hmm running my script with -D on opensuse 11.3 rpms, and it is picking up a lot of ssse3 stuff that shouldn't exist | 01:42 |
| ali1234 | i'm beginning to think -d is actually right and nothing uses it except glibc and a few things that static link it | 01:43 |
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| ali1234 | Stskeeps: so the result from opensuse was most of the things that show up as "optimized" in meego with -D also show up as "optimized" in opensuse 11.3 with -D | 02:13 |
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| ali1234 | with -d the only things that show up as "optimized" in opensuse is mono .dll files | 02:14 |
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| ali1234 | so i'm really confused, it really looks to me like meego doesn't use any core 2 specific code out side glibc | 02:16 |
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| odin_ | ali1234, explain -D and -d please | 02:50 |
| ali1234 | odin_: -d : Display the assembler mnemonics for the machine instructions from objfile. This option only disassembles those sections which are expected to contain instructions. | 02:50 |
| ali1234 | -D : Like -d, but disassemble the contents of all sections, not just those expected to contain instructions. | 02:50 |
| ali1234 | from man objdump | 02:51 |
| odin_ | ah yes am looking at your pasebin | 02:51 |
| ali1234 | 1 sec i will paste the logs form opensuse | 02:51 |
| ali1234 | opensuse -d: (just a bunch of mono stuff) http://pastebin.com/xVVjLmHv | 02:52 |
| odin_ | is the script available to look at ? | 02:52 |
| ali1234 | opensuse -D: woah, everythign is full of ssse3: http://pastebin.com/WjiUdtD0 | 02:52 |
| ali1234 | sure, i will upload script, hang on again | 02:53 |
| odin_ | Im interested to know as no one has been able to explain how useful SSSE3 is for general purpose code generation (which is the issue, as opposed to specialized code generation, like used already in codecs/crypto/etc...) | 02:54 |
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| odin_ | it could be just that GCC is lame at this time and Intel know what to expect | 02:54 |
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| odin_ | and this is for arch=i586 of opensuse 11.3 ? | 02:56 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 02:56 |
| ali1234 | from the dvd | 02:56 |
| ali1234 | http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/cpucheck.tar.gz | 02:57 |
| odin_ | ok I have one of those in hand to repeat and verify findings | 02:57 |
| ali1234 | all the clever stuff is done in cpucheck-bin (which operates on a single file), the rest is just for scanning multiple files at once | 02:58 |
| ali1234 | oh tip: insert a tee -a /tmp/foundinstrs into the grep lines in cpucheck-bin | 02:59 |
| ali1234 | then you get a big file with all the lines it found | 02:59 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: when do you sleep? | 02:59 |
| ali1234 | and you can check if they make sense | 02:59 |
| ali1234 | not sure how to check that myself | 02:59 |
| ali1234 | CosmoHill: i'm going to bed very soon :) | 02:59 |
| CosmoHill | cool | 03:00 |
| CosmoHill | I just got back :) | 03:00 |
| CosmoHill | My friend lives in the same road :) | 03:00 |
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| odin_ | am a bit guarded about: rm -rf $TEMP where we hope TEMP is sane, what is "tempfile" my openSUSE not Fedora12 has it | 03:03 |
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| ali1234 | odin_: it creates a file in /tmp and prints the name | 03:03 |
| ali1234 | odin_: no warranty! | 03:03 |
| ali1234 | since there is no tempdir, i delete the file and make a directory of same name :) | 03:03 |
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| ali1234 | i used it in some other places, but there only as a file | 03:04 |
| odin_ | ok /tmp/foobar$$ will do me then | 03:04 |
| ali1234 | well, it runs 4 checks in parallel by default | 03:04 |
| ali1234 | so as long as you use unique names... | 03:04 |
| odin_ | $$=$PID | 03:04 |
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| auke | mktemp pls | 03:05 |
| ali1234 | patches welcome | 03:06 |
| auke | mktemp /tmp/$0-XXXXXXX | 03:06 |
| auke | do something like | 03:06 |
| CosmoHill | oh god >.< | 03:06 |
| odin_ | its just an adhoc script, with zero security concern, I just don't have an exe called tempfile and openSUSE "cnf" cant' find it either | 03:07 |
| auke | TMPFILE=`mktemp /tmp/$0-XXXXXXX` | 03:07 |
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| CosmoHill | I hang out with my mate | 03:07 |
| CosmoHill | come home and all hell has broken out on my channel | 03:07 |
| ali1234 | auke: fixed, i still have to rm -rf it at the end tho either way | 03:07 |
| auke | it's a file | 03:07 |
| ali1234 | mktemp is a file? | 03:08 |
| auke | TMPFILE will be | 03:08 |
| auke | don't use -rf | 03:08 |
| auke | -f maybe, not -r | 03:08 |
| ali1234 | so in other words mktempdoes exactly the same thing as tempfile | 03:08 |
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| ali1234 | i need a temporary directory | 03:08 |
| ali1234 | so i rm -f $TEMP; mkdir $TEMP; ... ; rm -rf $TEMP | 03:09 |
| auke | TMPDIR=`mktemp -d /tmp/$0-XXXXXXX` | 03:09 |
| auke | and, if possible, don't rm -rf if, just empty out what you put in there and then rmdir it | 03:10 |
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| auke | but, that depends on the level of robustness needed :) | 03:10 |
| ali1234 | ok then, rm -rf $TEMP/*; rmdir $TEMP | 03:10 |
| odin_ | my opensUSE 11.3 DVD does not have glibc-static-2.11.90-18.3.i686.rpm or busybox-1.16.0-3.2.i586.rpm to quote some examples, do the DVDs change after release? | 03:10 |
| auke | that wouldn't do any good | 03:10 |
| auke | so just rm -rf $TMPDIR then | 03:10 |
| ali1234 | odin_: glibc-static-2.11.90-18.3.i686.rpm is from meego | 03:11 |
| ali1234 | (i think) | 03:11 |
| odin_ | [ -d "$TMPDIR" ] && rm -rf "$TMPDIR" | 03:11 |
| ali1234 | lol, anyway, patches welcome | 03:11 |
| odin_ | ok I am looking at the wrong pastebin then ? | 03:11 |
| auke | I'd rm $TMPDIR/{$FILE1,$FILE2,...} ; rmdir $TMPDIR | 03:11 |
| ali1234 | i never sent one with glibc from opensuse cos it's in the i686 directory | 03:12 |
| ali1234 | and i only scanned i586 | 03:12 |
| * auke is out | 03:12 | |
| CosmoHill | bye auke | 03:12 |
| CosmoHill | I'm out too | 03:12 |
| CosmoHill | I mean i'm here but I have no idea wtf is going on | 03:12 |
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| odin_ | so which things from openSUSE do you think are best to look at ? | 03:13 |
| ali1234 | well, tbh, none of them | 03:13 |
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| ali1234 | the point is they all run on an AMD machine, and they all appear to have about the same number of ssse3 stuff as the average meego package, ie none except what could just be some false positives | 03:14 |
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| odin_ | yes this is what I am wanting to check for, false positives, take openSUSE-11.3 xorg-x11-7.5-11.3.i586.rpm /usr/bin/x11perf as an example | 03:15 |
| ali1234 | yep, exact same thing shows up on meego | 03:16 |
| odin_ | ok but can it be explained and fixed, this way the count goes down on meego to a more correct level ? | 03:16 |
| ali1234 | so what you want to look at is things that show up on -D but not -d | 03:16 |
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| ali1234 | it can be, but not by me until i get some sleep | 03:16 |
| ali1234 | actually i'm going to make a mod to cpucheck-bin to make it log all found lines with context | 03:17 |
| ali1234 | then leave it running over night with 1 thread so my computer doesn't catch fire | 03:17 |
| odin_ | sure cheers | 03:18 |
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| odin_ | I can't get '1' count tho here, on same package version | 03:18 |
| odin_ | hopefully my tempfile mods probably the cause | 03:19 |
| ali1234 | just make sure that cpucheck-bin runs on individual binaries first | 03:20 |
| ali1234 | you can use the commands independantly to check single bins/rpms | 03:20 |
| odin_ | ah ok you did -D for listing and script uses -d | 03:21 |
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| ali1234 | yeah you have to edit the script | 03:21 |
| ali1234 | forgot to mention that | 03:21 |
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| ali1234 | well that is now generating a huge amount of output for me to pick through tomorrow | 03:24 |
| ali1234 | hopefully some CPu expert can tell me if the code is just gibberish (ie not code at all) or real instructions | 03:24 |
| odin_ | section -d looks at .init .plt .text .fini, this is good enough for me | 03:26 |
| ali1234 | well the meego -d optimizes ... nothing except glibc basically | 03:27 |
| odin_ | well that sort of mimics my thoughts entirely | 03:28 |
| ali1234 | i noticed that glibc has the core2 CFLAGS hard coded in the spec, while everything else relies on prjconf | 03:28 |
| odin_ | so intel meego should be called arch=i686-ssse3 | 03:28 |
| ali1234 | it should be called arch=core2 | 03:29 |
| ali1234 | the CFLAGS are -march=core2 -mtune=atom | 03:29 |
| odin_ | and only glibc (and a few other applications) needs to be built in it | 03:29 |
| odin_ | sorry I meant arch=i686_ssse3 I don't think core2 is a good name due to the universal domain the label needs to exist in | 03:30 |
| odin_ | this way ./configure and autoconf can be made to understand i?86* easily | 03:30 |
| ali1234 | well ssse3 doesn't cover it, cos there is sse4.1 too | 03:30 |
| odin_ | ah but it is guarded or in general purpose use ? | 03:30 |
| odin_ | s/it is/is it/ | 03:30 |
| infobot | odin_ meant: ah but is it guarded or in general purpose use ? | 03:30 |
| ali1234 | don't know | 03:30 |
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| ali1234 | the sse4.2 has to be as i understand, because atom doesn't have it | 03:31 |
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| ali1234 | but no idea about sse4.1, core2 has that | 03:31 |
| odin_ | there is no problem with guarded code using CPUID to alter the execution path, there is a problem with GCC using it for general purpose code in the only execution path | 03:31 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 03:31 |
| odin_ | also... don't let intel confused with eith the difference between --march and --mtune | 03:31 |
| ali1234 | lots of the bins with -D show up with 0 CPUIDs but sse4.2 instructions | 03:31 |
| odin_ | there is no reason the dist can't be --mtune=atom but --march=i686 | 03:32 |
| ali1234 | yes i know all this :) | 03:32 |
| odin_ | this way they still get their instruction scheduling optimizations | 03:32 |
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| odin_ | ok sorr | 03:32 |
| odin_ | y | 03:32 |
| ali1234 | actually eg yafray from opensuse 11.3 has sse4.2 and no cpuid even with -d | 03:32 |
| ali1234 | but that could be a special case with runtime switches to enable opts | 03:33 |
| ali1234 | it is a raytracer after all | 03:33 |
| ali1234 | speed is everything | 03:33 |
| odin_ | yafray ? are you sure it doesn't check a variable or /proc/cpuinfo ? | 03:33 |
| ali1234 | yeah, that's what i mean with runtime options | 03:33 |
| odin_ | the guarding mechanism doesn't matter, so just long as its guarded with some mechanism, ya cmdline opts still count as a guard | 03:34 |
| ali1234 | but not one that you can detect automatically, at least not easily | 03:34 |
| odin_ | well really clever programs will detect ones on startup, then modify all the procedure symbol address locations to reflect the version of the function to run | 03:34 |
| odin_ | then there is no other code to using specialized code | 03:35 |
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| CosmoHill | hey DawnFoster | 03:41 |
| DawnFoster | hey CosmoHill | 03:42 |
| DawnFoster | you're up late (or early) | 03:42 |
| CosmoHill | late | 03:42 |
| CosmoHill | I think the next time I go out late I'll close my IRC client | 03:42 |
| CosmoHill | the chaos that I came back to >.< | 03:42 |
| DawnFoster | ha | 03:43 |
| DawnFoster | I tend to always leave it running & forget about it | 03:43 |
| CosmoHill | very active, stuff about me, people swapping nicks and going "I smell" as someone else etc | 03:44 |
| ali1234 | odin_: with the debug rpms, it should be possible to determine which functions are being optimized right? | 03:44 |
| odin_ | ali1234, yes but objdump already does basic <symbol+offset> info, that can help | 03:45 |
| ali1234 | that too, but it needs to be extracted somehow.. still i think this information would be very interesting... | 03:45 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: didn't you say you where going to sleep half an hour ago? | 03:46 |
| ali1234 | yeah i know | 03:46 |
| odin_ | MeeGo is exciting !!! | 03:46 |
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| lcuk2 | CosmoHill, you do smell :P | 03:56 |
| lcuk2 | either that or its something in the curry I ate tonight in Manchester | 03:56 |
| odin_ | Or Riiight! | 03:56 |
| CosmoHill | I smell good :) | 03:57 |
| lcuk2 | heh | 03:57 |
| lcuk2 | did you have a good time out? | 03:57 |
| CosmoHill | yeah | 03:57 |
| CosmoHill | picked him up from the airport and hung out at his afterwards | 03:57 |
| lcuk2 | :D bonus | 03:57 |
| lcuk2 | had he been far? | 03:57 |
| CosmoHill | he went to his girlfriend's prom in ireland (she's ireish) | 03:58 |
| lcuk2 | (Irish) | 03:58 |
| CosmoHill | that too | 03:58 |
| lcuk2 | unless she gets annoyed often | 03:59 |
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| CosmoHill | no idea | 04:01 |
| CosmoHill | my friends have girlfriends and often talk about them but I've never met them | 04:01 |
| CosmoHill | in the last 4 weeks I've met 3 of them :o | 04:02 |
| lcuk2 | heh | 04:03 |
| CosmoHill | it's not like I'm gonna steal them or anything | 04:03 |
| lcuk2 | they dont know that! | 04:04 |
| lcuk2 | I went to a pre-wedding meal | 04:04 |
| lcuk2 | and spent most of the night not able to hear the conversation | 04:05 |
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| lcuk2 | o_O meego-touch-dev is moderated | 04:05 |
| CosmoHill | it's to stop people touching the developers | 04:06 |
| lcuk2 | it does explain the low post count | 04:06 |
| lcuk2 | if it involves multiple mails per message it would be tedious | 04:06 |
| CosmoHill | aparantly my members are surprised I'm awake and online | 04:08 |
| lcuk2 | heh it is a little odd, whole composition and mood of irc changes drastically outside normal hours | 04:09 |
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| * lcuk2 is hoping to speak with some of the qt devs from Brisbane in the coming days | 04:10 | |
| CosmoHill | I have two 15 year olds and a 16 year old in the channel | 04:10 |
| CosmoHill | fun | 04:10 |
| CosmoHill | it's so much quieter when they are offline | 04:10 |
| lcuk2 | this is in lfs? | 04:11 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 04:11 |
| CosmoHill | I don't know if they've ever finished it | 04:11 |
| lcuk2 | nice to see young folds getting involved with a deeper linux than just blinging ubuntu | 04:11 |
| lcuk2 | folks | 04:12 |
| CosmoHill | they've been in the channel for a a year | 04:12 |
| CosmoHill | youngest smart person was 13 | 04:12 |
| lcuk2 | its always great to see them hacking about on maemo and other misc projects | 04:12 |
| CosmoHill | youngest I've had so far was 11 | 04:12 |
| lcuk2 | my god I wasnt allowed to play on the street at 11 | 04:12 |
| lcuk2 | let alone go on the net on my own | 04:12 |
| CosmoHill | when I reconnected with a different nick he thougth I was an impostor | 04:13 |
| lcuk2 | (supposing a net existed) | 04:13 |
| CosmoHill | so me saying "you're 11" was proof but me changing nicks and becoming moderator wasn't | 04:13 |
| lcuk2 | you are an imposter | 04:14 |
| CosmoHill | yeah but he doesn't know that | 04:14 |
| CosmoHill | that kid was a handful, it was like he had ADHD online | 04:14 |
| lcuk2 | think that about you sometimes :P | 04:15 |
| CosmoHill | lol | 04:15 |
| CosmoHill | at least if you tell me to be quiet I will | 04:15 |
| lcuk2 | if otheruser.age<my.age then hasADHD=1 | 04:15 |
| CosmoHill | maybe I just type quickly :) | 04:16 |
| lcuk2 | meh | 04:16 |
| lcuk2 | prefer discussion and ideas | 04:16 |
| CosmoHill | there's a channel on LFS that I own but never go in. one time there was some touble in there and users PM'd me about it | 04:17 |
| CosmoHill | so I did a drive by kick ban | 04:17 |
| lcuk2 | heh | 04:18 |
| CosmoHill | http://linuxfromscratch.pastebin.com/WK0Q0jJb | 04:18 |
| lcuk2 | lol thats cheating | 04:19 |
| lcuk2 | is that on freenode? | 04:19 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 04:20 |
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| lcuk2 | didn't think so, I just created the chan entering it | 04:20 |
| CosmoHill | it's on it's own server | 04:20 |
| CosmoHill | to shelter the newbies from the cruel world that is #linux | 04:20 |
| lcuk2 | thats reasonable in its own way | 04:22 |
| * lcuk2 ponders getting his steam account working in linux | 04:22 | |
| lcuk2 | i have a hankering for half life2 | 04:22 |
| CosmoHill | I ran CSS on my linux server once | 04:22 |
| CosmoHill | my broadband was the bottleneck | 04:22 |
| lcuk2 | i run em too - in firefox :P | 04:23 |
| lcuk2 | counterstrike didn't have heavy bandwidth limitations afaik | 04:23 |
| lcuk2 | unless you were throttled heavily by other things | 04:23 |
| CosmoHill | iirc is was 256Kb/s upload | 04:24 |
| lcuk2 | ntl cable? | 04:24 |
| CosmoHill | Demon shitanet | 04:24 |
| lcuk2 | hah | 04:24 |
| lcuk2 | cable had 12k upload for the longest time | 04:25 |
| lcuk2 | 128 | 04:25 |
| CosmoHill | takes 3 days for them to send someone out to plug your connection back in at the exchange | 04:25 |
| lcuk2 | yeah they were LLU werent they | 04:25 |
| CosmoHill | you should upgrade your router from V3 to V5 | 04:25 |
| lcuk2 | oh, the router is fine now | 04:25 |
| CosmoHill | wait, you want me to go out and by the 5th hardware version of my router model so you can tell me you don't support netgear | 04:25 |
| lcuk2 | we upgraded a while ago | 04:25 |
| CosmoHill | "I'm sorry sir but your router doesn't support ADSL2+" | 04:26 |
| CosmoHill | "how long has the exchange been ADSL2+?" | 04:26 |
| CosmoHill | "3 months" -.- | 04:26 |
| lcuk2 | o_O | 04:26 |
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| lcuk2 | half life 2 was out over 5 years ago | 04:27 |
| CosmoHill | I bet if I were to go "I want my Mac address" I'd suddenly get a english person on the phone | 04:27 |
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| lcuk2 | someone mentioned somewhere that if you say "fuck" to the dell automated service it will rather resignedly tell you its connecting you to a human. not sure how real that is, but made me laugh immensely | 04:28 |
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| CosmoHill | oh I was using my Nokia 6200c to go to the airport | 04:29 |
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| CosmoHill | whilst overtaking a weaving caravan I got "please obverse the speed limit" | 04:29 |
| lcuk2 | most people use a car, but go on | 04:30 |
| lcuk2 | nice | 04:30 |
| CosmoHill | I was doing 9erm motorway speeds | 04:30 |
| lcuk2 | the nokia n810 has maps with routing and stuff | 04:30 |
| lcuk2 | tracy had the american "todd" voice | 04:30 |
| lcuk2 | and was eternally amused because it would tell her | 04:30 |
| CosmoHill | "surfer dude" was an option for mine | 04:30 |
| lcuk2 | "at the traffic circle take the third exit" | 04:31 |
| CosmoHill | haha | 04:31 |
| CosmoHill | I was driving along at 70mph and had "make a U turn" | 04:31 |
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| lcuk2 | :D | 04:31 |
| lcuk2 | they get irate if you don't listen!" | 04:31 |
| lcuk2 | "try to make a u turn where possible" | 04:31 |
| lcuk2 | "you missed your turn" | 04:31 |
| lcuk2 | "TURN AROUND NOW" | 04:32 |
| CosmoHill | I get worried when I have lots of instructions and then nothing for 6 miles | 04:32 |
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| lcuk2 | i NORMALLY END UP STOPPING WHEN THAT HAPPENS | 04:32 |
| lcuk2 | and removing my caps too | 04:32 |
| lcuk2 | we were watching some American tv show the other day, and they had an English gps person | 04:33 |
| CosmoHill | mine reroutes quickly | 04:33 |
| lcuk2 | tracy giggled | 04:33 |
| CosmoHill | Tracy? | 04:33 |
| lcuk2 | mrs lcuk to be | 04:33 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 04:33 |
| lcuk2 | heh, after over 15 years we decided this week on a venue, we just have to work out how to get there now | 04:34 |
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| CosmoHill | teleportation | 04:34 |
| lcuk2 | yeah that might be simpler, have to get us to Las Vegas | 04:34 |
| lcuk2 | its the only place we could agree on | 04:35 |
| CosmoHill | you have kids right? | 04:35 |
| lcuk2 | yeah | 04:35 |
| CosmoHill | at my uncle's wedding they tried keeping the kids quiet with sweets | 04:35 |
| lcuk2 | eep, sweeties and clean wedding clothes dont go well | 04:36 |
| CosmoHill | when they were in the car after the wedding we were talking to them | 04:36 |
| CosmoHill | youngest came over and accidently hit the close window button | 04:37 |
| * lcuk2 does not sense a problem yet | 04:38 | |
| CosmoHill | they where 3 and 1.5 | 04:39 |
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| lcuk2 | hmm mine play with the windows still and they are much older :P | 04:40 |
| smithna | Hi, could anyone tell me how to install qmake for the IVI image? Searching for it via the manage software app doesn't show it... And it doesn't seem to be installed by default | 04:42 |
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| lcuk2 | I am vanishing anyway | 04:44 |
| lcuk2 | gnite CosmoHill | 04:44 |
| CosmoHill | me too | 04:44 |
| CosmoHill | got to be up in 7 hours :o | 04:44 |
| lcuk2 | smithna, sorry, dunno and it seems v quiet in here tonight | 04:44 |
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| sx0n|home | is the intel chipset gm57 going to be supported in meego? | 10:51 |
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| sx0n|home | (or intel & linux) i didn't see graphics drivers for it | 10:52 |
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| RST38h | OMG, MeegoTouch is Symbian all over | 11:02 |
| * RST38h just wanted to create a scrollable list of buttons, with two lines of text in each one, and ended up reading MList docs | 11:02 | |
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| sx0n|home | s,gm,qm, | 11:04 |
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| sx0n|home | hm. it should be supported after all | 11:05 |
| odin_ | ah the QM57, yes sure it will, i7 based? | 11:05 |
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| odin_ | I can't see how it won't be supported, its new, current and aimed at the embedded market | 11:07 |
| sx0n|home | odin_: i5 | 11:07 |
| sx0n|home | but i need to double check. and see if it really installed in my kernel. it is just giving problems. | 11:09 |
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| odin_ | oh you mean to use today ? or when the UI is launched in a few months ? | 11:10 |
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| sx0n|home | odin_: i have new laptop but no luck with stable linux installation so far. | 11:24 |
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| TermanaN900 | RST38h, that surprises you? :P | 11:33 |
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| Phazorx | is there a guide like this for MeeGo: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Extra_Keyboard_Keys_in_Xorg | 12:11 |
| Phazorx | i use setkeycodes to make it works in console, so dmesg does not show missing keystrokes anymore | 12:12 |
| Phazorx | but i don't know how (or it does not work?) to make xorg to recognize them | 12:12 |
| thiago_home | Phazorx: there's no need for a guide | 12:15 |
| thiago_home | all the keys are recognised by X already | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | there, tickets booked for dublin, and hotel | 12:15 |
| * thiago_home wonders if he needs to submit a talk in order to get Nokia to approve his going | 12:15 | |
| Stskeeps | good question, i guess we are doing the programme stuff on a private basis :P | 12:16 |
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| thiago_home | the program team will get together to judge the sessions submitted | 12:17 |
| thiago_home | which is an interesting thing: am I allowed to judge my own submission? | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | i guess since we're four, if it's our own submission, we 'step outside' | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | i got put into a talk by my team lead so i'll be in same situation | 12:18 |
| Phazorx | thiago_home: and if they are not? | 12:18 |
| Phazorx | xev does not show some of Fn+X here | 12:18 |
| Phazorx | while they work fine in console | 12:19 |
| Phazorx | particulary i am concerned about missing brightness control | 12:19 |
| Phazorx | and the only way to switch brigtness for me now is switching to console | 12:19 |
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| ikke-t | anyone runnning the meego notebook ed. on LVM? from the quick looks it doesn't seem to support lvm out of the box... | 13:10 |
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| ikke-t | should the live image on usb be capable of storing stuff back to usb over reboots like some other live media do_ | 13:17 |
| ikke-t | ? | 13:17 |
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| Passeli | anyone knows if the meego-sdk mentioned in -> http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_All_in_One page is available already somewhere? | 13:36 |
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| Phazorx | is there a guide like this for MeeGo: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Extra_Keyboard_Keys_in_Xorg | 14:12 |
| Phazorx | i use setkeycodes to make it works in console, so dmesg does not show missing keystrokes anymore however i dont see the keypresses in xev at all | 14:12 |
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| RST38h | back | 14:15 |
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| thiago_home | Phazorx: like I said, it shouldn't be needed | 14:30 |
| thiago_home | evdev takes care of everything | 14:30 |
| Phazorx | thiago: like i said and what do i do if it does NOT | 14:32 |
| Phazorx | "it should" is comforting | 14:32 |
| Phazorx | but not when faced with "it doesn't" | 14:32 |
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| * RST38h is now really scared by losing control of all those pointers he is supposed to create with "new" in Qt | 14:33 | |
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| RST38h | The examples appear to simply ignore them, no delete nothing | 14:34 |
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| thiago_home | Phazorx: if it doesn't, then you fix the evdev driver | 14:37 |
| thiago_home | RST38h: classes derived from QObject? | 14:37 |
| RST38h | yes | 14:38 |
| Phazorx | thiago: firstly i dont know how... but i can provide information guven appropriate guidance | 14:39 |
| thiago_home | RST38h: are they given a parent? | 14:39 |
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| Phazorx | thiago, also - is evdev something X specific now? i was under impression it is general systemwide framework and since my issue only presents itself under X it does not make a lot of sense to me | 14:52 |
| thiago_home | it's system-wide | 14:53 |
| RST38h | thiago: No | 14:54 |
| Phazorx | so in that case i dont see how it can be evdev relevant issue | 14:54 |
| Phazorx | same keys are functional in console | 14:54 |
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| BluesLee | Stskeeps: ping | 15:16 |
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| EnTeQuAk | hmm, is there any standalone meego handset simulator like the one of QtCreator? I'd like to do Python, not C++ scripting so QtCreator is kinda not the right choice for that. Any Standalone simulator available? | 15:20 |
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| Passeli | EnTeQuAk: how about http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_with_QEMU | 15:23 |
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| EnTeQuAk | hmm, looks like what I'm searchnig for, thanks. Fancy I did not find the page myself :( | 15:24 |
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| vlj | I meet a strange error when launching Xorg | 15:39 |
| vlj | dlopen() /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so : file too short | 15:40 |
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| vlj | well, Meego is definitly unable to run even with nvidia drivers :/ | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 15:54 |
| vlj | I built a xorg-server with xinerama | 15:54 |
| vlj | and installed nvidia drivers | 15:55 |
| vlj | when I do startx, Meego hangs | 15:55 |
| vlj | and /var/log/Xorg*.log is empty | 15:55 |
| vlj | I don't know where to look at, as there is no error message anywhere | 15:56 |
| vlj | I'm stuck | 15:57 |
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| vlj | err | 15:58 |
| vlj | vesa does not work either | 15:58 |
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| Phazorx | dmesg anything? | 16:02 |
| Phazorx | syslog? | 16:02 |
| vlj | err how can I look at syslog ? | 16:02 |
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| vlj | when doing ldd nvidia_drv.so it says "cannot read header ./nvidia_drv.so | 16:08 |
| vlj | well there is a binary incompatibility | 16:08 |
| thiago_home | file it | 16:08 |
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| vlj | ? | 16:08 |
| vlj | err what do you mean by file it ? | 16:09 |
| thiago_home | file nvidia_drv.so | 16:09 |
| vlj | it is a binary I can't write anything in it :/ | 16:09 |
| thiago_home | and what type is it? | 16:09 |
| vlj | shared object | 16:09 |
| vlj | header is ELF header | 16:10 |
| thiago_home | and what did file tell you about the file type? | 16:10 |
| vlj | ho you meant "file" command :p | 16:10 |
| vlj | sorry | 16:10 |
| vlj | "empty" ? | 16:10 |
| vlj | it is 0 sized | 16:10 |
| thiago_home | that would explain why it can't be loaded | 16:10 |
| vlj | but when I install it it is not empty | 16:11 |
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| thiago_home | then install it again | 16:11 |
| vlj | will try it | 16:12 |
| vlj | brb | 16:12 |
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| vlj | IT WORKS !!! *.* | 16:26 |
| vlj | at least the nvidia part | 16:26 |
| vlj | my mouse is not recognised :/ | 16:26 |
| vlj | (in fact I forgot to install xinerama-proto package along with xorg-server | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | vlj: cool :) | 16:27 |
| vlj | ) | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | vlj: how much works? :P | 16:27 |
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| vlj | but meego without a mouse is quite...a bad experience | 16:27 |
| vlj | I can't do anything | 16:27 |
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| vlj | but I see the clock displaying right every minute | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | check xorg.0.log for it.. what xserver are you running? | 16:28 |
| vlj | http://paste.opensuse.org/54205039 | 16:28 |
| vlj | it's a custom version of xorg | 16:29 |
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| vlj | in fact this is meego xorg with --enable-xinerama flag | 16:29 |
| vlj | nothing else is changed | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | vlj: can i see your xorg.conf? | 16:29 |
| vlj | http://paste.opensuse.org/19523754 | 16:30 |
| vlj | I hoped the autoconfiguration of xorg would work | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4mPY35Mw | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | need something like that prolly | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | (look at 'pointer') | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | what kernel are you on? | 16:32 |
| vlj | 2.6.33.5-24.1 | 16:32 |
| vgrade | nice one vlj | 16:33 |
| vlj | Stskeeps: I don't have a tablet :/ | 16:34 |
| vlj | will it work if I remove every tablet related option in the xorg.conf you gave me ? | 16:34 |
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| vlj | brb | 16:40 |
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| VLJ | hi again | 16:55 |
| * VLJ is chating from MeeGo ! | 16:55 | |
| VLJ | unfortunatly there is no irc client in meego yet | 16:55 |
| VLJ | I wished to have at least xchat | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | VLJ: on nvidia? | 16:56 |
| VLJ | yup | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | does netbook ux work? | 16:56 |
| VLJ | yup | 16:56 |
| VLJ | smoothly | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | well, i think you owe a glxinfo, xterm and a photo | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:56 |
| VLJ | ok | 16:56 |
| Ian-- | hi people | 16:57 |
| Ian-- | i just installed meego with chrome and websites like cnn, youtube, and adobe.com are not displaying correctly | 16:58 |
| Ian-- | why is this? | 16:58 |
| GAN900 | No Flash? | 16:58 |
| Ian-- | no flash is here | 16:58 |
| Ian-- | it seems like some css is not loading | 16:58 |
| VLJ | http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8713/meegoonnvidia.png | 16:59 |
| VLJ | the issue is that it took me some times to get meego working | 16:59 |
| VLJ | I mean, building package with obs.maemo.org is easy | 17:00 |
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| VLJ | but having a MeeGo with a internet connexion with no ux is quite difficult | 17:00 |
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| VLJ | (I chrooted Meego from opensuse to download/install all kernel devel package and nvidia drivers) | 17:01 |
| VLJ | lbt: ping | 17:01 |
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| lbt | pong | 17:01 |
| VLJ | Is there the same policy on obs.maemo.org than on opensuse.org concerning nvidia drivers ? ;) | 17:01 |
| lbt | good question | 17:01 |
| lbt | probably | 17:01 |
| VLJ | hmm | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | VLJ: meego 1.0? | 17:02 |
| VLJ | err I think so | 17:02 |
| lbt | hmm | 17:02 |
| VLJ | where can I see the Meego version ? | 17:02 |
| lbt | OBS is code oriented | 17:02 |
| VLJ | I updated all package | 17:02 |
| lbt | is the code GPL? | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | nvidia kernel is open source? | 17:03 |
| VLJ | nvidia driver does ship only binaries | 17:03 |
| VLJ | yup | 17:03 |
| VLJ | but not the userspace part | 17:03 |
| lbt | I suspect you won't be able to upload or include the blobs | 17:03 |
| VLJ | ok | 17:03 |
| VLJ | so a workaround is to ask people to have a usb key with their nvidia drivers | 17:03 |
| lbt | this isn't a trivial issue... | 17:03 |
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| lbt | yeah... for now lets be as "clean" as we can be | 17:04 |
| lbt | making users jump through hoops and eventually making it easier is more sane | 17:04 |
| lbt | we don't understand the meego relationship with closed source too well yet | 17:04 |
| VLJ | btw there is no irc client planned on meego ? | 17:04 |
| lbt | np | 17:05 |
| VLJ | no native one | 17:05 |
| lbt | pick one and port it :) | 17:05 |
| VLJ | well if it was so simple :p | 17:05 |
| lbt | telepathy doesn't do irc? | 17:05 |
| VLJ | dunno | 17:05 |
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| VLJ | i'm using webchat of freenode under chrome | 17:05 |
| * lbt waves at Stskeeps | 17:06 | |
| lbt | VLJ: there you go... a client ;) | 17:06 |
| VLJ | I miss xchat however | 17:06 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: i think there's a bad relationship to closed kernel drivers, lesser so to non-oss (redistributable) | 17:06 |
| lbt | nvidia is pretty much the poster-child for anti-closed blobs though... so not the best place to start :) | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, if imgtec can get convinced, maybe the rest will fall.. | 17:08 |
| lbt | VLJ: don't you have a nice OSS friendly AMD^H^H^HATI GPU there | 17:09 |
| VLJ | no sadly | 17:10 |
| * lbt looks at how cheap they are on ebay.... hint | 17:10 | |
| VLJ | however I can run Meego now | 17:10 |
| lbt | :) | 17:10 |
| lbt | I'm working on the community infra as we speak | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | VLJ: you can use a nice trick we did for joggler.. | 17:11 |
| VLJ | I just asked that to provide a newb friendly way of installing nv driver | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | VLJ: it's possible for mic2 to include files from same dir as the ks file | 17:11 |
| VLJ | sweet | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | you could potentially wget or whatever in the mic2 file and then make it into a image | 17:11 |
| VLJ | should have a look on it | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | so people wanting it, can generate their own image | 17:11 |
| * VLJ find that alt tab action is weird in Meego | 17:13 | |
| VLJ | err | 17:14 |
| VLJ | lbt : is obs.maemo.org project usable as a repo for ks file ? | 17:15 |
| lbt | don't see why not | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | VLJ: it can be hosted anywhere, it's the resulting image that's a problem. | 17:15 |
| lbt | check the url... we got confused with an 's' on the end of download | 17:15 |
| VLJ | ok | 17:16 |
| lbt | if I'd finished the "osc mic2" command... | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | that might be a bit of a gray zone | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:17 |
| lbt | should work though ? | 17:17 |
| lbt | provided the host has loopback | 17:17 |
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| b-man|laptop | Stskeeps: i don't mean to bug you about it, but has that relicensed bme been released yet? | 17:21 |
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| Venemo | will libmeegotouch be backported to Maemo 5? | 17:30 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: libdui was | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | b-man|laptop: no, i have a bug report in bugs.meego.com on the issues | 17:34 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: ah. so probably libmeegotouch will be, too? | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: excepting some annoying bits in the header files, there should be no problem.. | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, if it has qt 4.7 | 17:35 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: well, Qt 4.7 (in theory) is already in its way | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | there should be no real issues | 17:38 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: okay, thanks :) | 17:38 |
| VLJ | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vljn | 17:38 |
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| VLJ | (hope I didnt forget anything) | 17:39 |
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| b-man|laptop | Stskeeps: may i have a link to the report? :) | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | b-man|laptop: yes, sec | 17:42 |
| VLJ | brb | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5622 | 17:42 |
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| Stskeeps | just add yourself to CC | 17:42 |
| b-man|laptop | thanks | 17:43 |
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| timoph_ | xchat works nicely on MeeGo netbook | 18:20 |
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| timoph | just built xchat in obs | 18:22 |
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| vgrade | vlj, you can find an ideal model of what can be achieved in the kickstart in this one for the Archos A9. It used wget and post scripts to set things up. http://svn.openaos.org/svn/openaos/trunk/meego/archos9/archos9.ks | 18:52 |
| vgrade | vlj, top work there on Nvidia port | 18:52 |
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| vlj | hi again | 20:38 |
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| vlj | does someone use arch linux ? | 20:40 |
| CosmoHill | i looked at it and the installer scared me | 20:41 |
| vlj | ok | 20:41 |
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| vlj | do you know where I can download their script for building nvidia driver ? ;) | 20:41 |
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| ali1234 | why do you need the script from arch in particular? | 20:43 |
| vlj | well I can use any script | 20:43 |
| vlj | the idea is I want to know how they do to install the driver without X | 20:43 |
| ali1234 | oh | 20:43 |
| ali1234 | well i can tell you how they do it on ubuntu | 20:44 |
| ali1234 | they use dkms :) | 20:44 |
| ali1234 | it automatically rebuilds driver whenever there is a kernel upgrade | 20:44 |
| vlj | well I have no experience with dkms | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: so they have source? | 20:44 |
| ali1234 | for nvidia driver? | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:45 |
| vlj | Stskeeps: kernel module source | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | they have source for the wrapper module, everyone has that | 20:45 |
| vlj | not the userspace things | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | oh | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | tbh i dont know the nvidia situation | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | the reason why nvidia is different to all the other binary only crap, is they made a wrapper module, and update it for newer kernels | 20:45 |
| vlj | they have good, but closed source, driver | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | all the other lot just release binary only modules which only work on one specific kernel | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | so ubuntu can legally build and redistribute or? | 20:46 |
| ali1234 | yes, but they don't need to because of dkms | 20:46 |
| vlj | Stskeeps: the drivers are redistruable | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: so it rebuilds on user machine? | 20:47 |
| vlj | but distro vendor do prefer not having binary component in their build system | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | yes, exactly | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | ah.. | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: for which ever kernels the user has instaled | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | you could potentially do that on meego too | 20:48 |
| ali1234 | also dkms means they only need 1 nvidia package instead of 1 for every kernel they release | 20:48 |
| vlj | ali1234: have you a link to their dkms script ? | 20:48 |
| ali1234 | apt-get source nvidia-current | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | actually you don't even need the source package | 20:49 |
| vlj | ali1234: I want the script to read it | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | there isn't really a script | 20:51 |
| vlj | I want to make a ks image that download and install nvidia on meego | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | all they do is put the source code into /usr/lib, and run the Makefile | 20:51 |
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| ali1234 | this is the dkms.conf http://pastebin.com/Xjh7TaxH | 20:52 |
| vlj | thx | 20:52 |
| ali1234 | i meant /usr/src not /usr/lib | 20:52 |
| ali1234 | i just woke up :) | 20:52 |
| ali1234 | anyway i now have a version of my script which tells me which functions have ssse3 stuff in them | 20:53 |
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| ali1234 | http://pastebin.com/X5JwPcc1 | 20:55 |
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| ali1234 | it doesn't always work, but you can see a lot of them are inside functions named like __strpbrk_sse42 :) | 20:55 |
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| Khertan | Hi ... | 20:55 |
| yunin | i want build myself meego image,how to build meego from source? | 20:56 |
| kyb3R | make ;) | 20:56 |
| yunin | just make ? | 20:56 |
| kyb3R | just teasing, dunno | 20:56 |
| ali1234 | yunin: install OBS, put meego bins into a build repo, put meego source rpms into a project, wait several days, done | 20:57 |
| yunin | thanks | 20:57 |
| Khertan | hum ... someone know where is the meego handset image for n900 ... i would like to install it to try some python qt apps ? | 20:57 |
| Khertan | i didn't found it on meego.com | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php | 20:58 |
| Khertan | thx Stskeeps | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: instructions at wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC | 20:59 |
| * slonopotamus wonders if he is allowed to tell other people his n900 imei | 20:59 | |
| Khertan | thx again :) | 21:00 |
| Khertan | ah ... it s install on mmc :) | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | eula is invalid without afaik | 21:00 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, get a 2-4gb microsd | 21:00 |
| vlj | i'm trying my ks file | 21:00 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps, is there a way to install on internal memory ? | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | no | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | we wanted nondestructive method | 21:01 |
| Khertan | didn't have any micro sd | 21:01 |
| Khertan | arg too bad | 21:01 |
| vlj | how do I say that a repo has a higher priority than others in my ks file ? | 21:01 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps, yes i know ... i didn't have any microsd ...but have two n900 for the moment :) | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | vlj: cost= | 21:02 |
| vlj | in vgrade ks file, there is a "kernel-netbook" but I don't understand why the content of his repo is "prefered" to the standards one | 21:02 |
| ali1234 | reflashing kernel and rootfs on internal flash shouldn't be destructive unless the n900 has a joke instead of a bootloader... | 21:03 |
| vlj | ok | 21:03 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: funny fact, it can load uboot | 21:03 |
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| ali1234 | no more destructive than loading a new maemo image anyway | 21:04 |
| Venemo | Has anyone tried to run Hildon-Desktop on MeeGo base OS? | 21:04 |
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| Stskeeps | should be possible | 21:04 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/NAND | 21:05 |
| b-man|laptop | uboot on the n900? | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: not usable now | 21:05 |
| Khertan | ah :) | 21:05 |
| Khertan | so ... ... i ll wait ... | 21:06 |
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| vlj | does meego support vaapi ? | 21:24 |
| vlj | (and mp3, ffmpeg...codec that are patent cumbered) | 21:26 |
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| Clippy | http://consumertrack.blogspot.com/2010/08/clownsumers-at-it-again-nokia-n9-leaked.html | 21:29 |
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| Clippy | ni hao felipec | 21:31 |
| sofar | vlj: not out of the box, you need to install them yourselves | 21:31 |
| sofar | unless you buy a machine with them preinstalled | 21:32 |
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| vlj | ok | 21:37 |
| sofar | however, you can install them yourself from source etc. | 21:38 |
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| thiago_home | Clippy: what is that link supposed to be? | 21:56 |
| Clippy | found some meego screenshot online | 21:56 |
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| thiago_home | good, but that link isn't one | 21:57 |
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| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: do you know how to deoper yourseld? | 21:59 |
| * thiago_home offers the /deop command from most IRC clients | 22:00 | |
| Stskeeps | mode -o | 22:00 |
| Clippy | they aren't? | 22:01 |
| CosmoHill | thanks thiago_home | 22:01 |
| thiago_home | Clippy: with clippy? no, definitely not right | 22:01 |
| thiago_home | that's someone's weird sense of humour | 22:01 |
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| vlj | Clippy: the origina imagesl are here : http://www.engadget.com/page/4/ | 22:04 |
| CosmoHill | thiago_home: wait no | 22:04 |
| vlj | well rather here | 22:04 |
| vlj | http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/19/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/ | 22:04 |
| CosmoHill | as in /oper | 22:05 |
| vlj | but there is almost no image of meego | 22:05 |
| vlj | just a wallpaper, a shell, and that's all | 22:05 |
| vlj | and the battery/clock bar too | 22:05 |
| Clippy | isn't it open soruce? Why can't we see it after soemone compiles it? | 22:06 |
| smoku | N9 will not be running MeeGo | 22:10 |
| Clippy | I heard microsoft is buying nokia. do you thinkt hey'll switch from windows phone to meego? | 22:11 |
| thiago_home | that device, whichever it is, is not official | 22:11 |
| smoku | and Harmattan UI wasn't released | 22:11 |
| thiago_home | that means nothing you've heard is confirmed | 22:11 |
| thiago_home | whether that's N9 or something else, whether it runs MeeGo or Symbian or something else, you decide | 22:11 |
| smoku | :-) nice summary | 22:12 |
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| vgrade | vlj, re netbook-kernel, mic chooses the later package version I think | 22:20 |
| vlj | ok | 22:20 |
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| vgrade | sorry was thinking about something else, there is a --excludepkgs=kernel-netbook* | 22:22 |
| vgrade | in the meego repo line which stops the original one being loaded | 22:22 |
| vgrade | be carefull with --excludepkgs as it has a bug which only allows one package to be excluded | 22:23 |
| vgrade | stskeeps has a patch to mic | 22:23 |
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| vlj | err | 22:30 |
| vlj | Stskeeps: wget does not work in mic | 22:31 |
| vlj | "unable to resolve host adress us.download.nvidia.com | 22:31 |
| vlj | " | 22:31 |
| vlj | I would like to avoid putting something in etc/resolv.conf of the chrooted img | 22:31 |
| vlj | if I put a file in the same directory than my .ks file, will it be taken into account ? | 22:32 |
| sofar | are you running meego in a chroot? | 22:32 |
| vlj | no but mic does chroot to build a meego image | 22:32 |
| sofar | what's the /etc/resolv.conf inside the chroot look like? | 22:32 |
| sofar | I agree it's a bug, there shouldn't be any downloading being done from inside the chroot | 22:33 |
| vlj | well good question | 22:33 |
| vlj | I dont know the internal of mic enough to see what is its current resolv.conf :/ | 22:34 |
| vlj | Stskeeps: ping | 22:34 |
| vlj | vgrade: ping | 22:34 |
| sofar | cat $chroot/etc/resolv.conf | 22:34 |
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| vlj | I mean, I dont know where is $chroot/ in mic process | 22:35 |
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| ali1234 | http://pastebin.com/csbzCCcF | 22:41 |
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| ali1234 | i wonder if it would make a difference if i ran this test against the daily builds | 22:42 |
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| vlj | why is there sse 4 opcode in meego build ? | 22:42 |
| ali1234 | i have no idea | 22:42 |
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| vlj | Stskeeps: ping | 22:44 |
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| vlj | making a ks file is harder than I though =( | 22:48 |
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| impje | When I run the QEMU netbook SDK, I get: X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes). The handset SDK runs fine though! I know that this has been asked before, but I can't find a solution anywhere. | 22:54 |
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| vgrade | vlj, hi | 22:58 |
| impje | Something totally different, my account registration at meego.com didn't go through. Who can I contact with this problem? | 22:58 |
| vlj | vgrade: do you know if it is possible to use a local file in a *.ks file used by mic ? | 22:59 |
| vlj | I mean, if I put some "NVIDIA.sh" file in the same directory than nvidia-netbook.ks | 22:59 |
| vgrade | yes, and wget should work also, did you study the A9 kickstart I posted earlier? | 22:59 |
| vlj | A9 ? | 23:00 |
| vlj | err...could you repost it ? :) | 23:00 |
| vgrade | ok, you might have missed that | 23:00 |
| vgrade | sec | 23:00 |
| vlj | (i was using your emgd-netbook3.ks) | 23:00 |
| vgrade | http://svn.openaos.org/svn/openaos/trunk/meego/archos9/archos9.ks | 23:00 |
| vlj | thx | 23:01 |
| vgrade | this kickstart does all sorts, wgets files from internet, runs scripts | 23:01 |
| vlj | what is openaos ? | 23:01 |
| vgrade | I helped the guys there to get MeeGo up on the Archos A9, GMS500 based tablet | 23:01 |
| ali1234 | a .ks file is just for building images right? | 23:02 |
| vgrade | ali1234, yes | 23:02 |
| ali1234 | what is the rpm equivalent to debootstrap? | 23:02 |
| vgrade | I guess mic is similar in that it takes packages and builds a filesystem | 23:03 |
| ali1234 | oh :( | 23:04 |
| vgrade | I'm using mic to create an arm filesystem to boot on my android ATM | 23:04 |
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| ali1234 | mic is hardly a replacement for debootstrap | 23:05 |
| ali1234 | http://rwmj.wordpress.com/2009/03/05/fedora-equivalent-of-debootstrap/ | 23:05 |
| vlj | vgrade: what does 2>&1 do ? | 23:05 |
| ali1234 | describes how to do it with yum | 23:05 |
| vgrade | http://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/unix/upt/ch08_13.htm | 23:07 |
| ali1234 | vlj: 2>&1 redirects stderr to stdout | 23:08 |
| ali1234 | vlj: which means you can subsequently redirect both to the same file, or /dev/null | 23:08 |
| vlj | ok thx | 23:08 |
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| vlj | ok | 23:10 |
| ali1234 | actually that's not quite right, read the link | 23:10 |
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| vlj | brb | 23:15 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: was it you who made the bootmenu for n800? | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | no, fanoush | 23:24 |
| ali1234 | i never could get that thing to work :/ | 23:24 |
| ali1234 | i think because it ran after the kernel was loaded | 23:24 |
| ali1234 | i'm running symbol scan with -D, it really does look to me like nearly all of this is false positives | 23:25 |
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| ali1234 | http://pastebin.com/ZxnBmqK4 | 23:43 |
| ali1234 | hmm bugs | 23:43 |
| ali1234 | i need to fix that ... thing | 23:44 |
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| CosmoHill | ali1234: looking good | 23:49 |
| CosmoHill | the file and the SSE stuff | 23:49 |
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