| ali1234 | at least it does when the website isn't down | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | Your subscription request has been received, and will soon be acted upon. | 00:04 |
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| lcuk | ali1234, nahh it didnt | 00:04 |
| ali1234 | there are two interfaces | 00:04 |
| lcuk | http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-touch-dev | 00:05 |
| ali1234 | the standard mailman one doesn't show it but the other one (on your meego.com account page) does | 00:05 |
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| ali1234 | http://meego.com/user/me/user_mailman_register | 00:06 |
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| vgrade | X-Fade, downloads much improved tonight, only 1 stall during 110 package downloads, thanks | 00:11 |
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| edster_ | Hi I've just joined the group and am looking forward to joining in the discussions. | 00:25 |
| lcuk | edster_, welcome! | 00:25 |
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| ali1234 | vgrade: any progress? i switched back to 1.0.1 and i have gcc, libtool, binutils, rpm, all compiled for FC13. i get those damn "unpackaged files" errors with glibc though | 00:25 |
| edster_ | Thanks glad to be here. | 00:26 |
| ali1234 | vgrade: can you show a buildlog of successful glibc build against any meego repository? | 00:27 |
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| vgrade | now the download issue is much improved I'm doing some local builds tonight. will let you know about glibc. | 00:30 |
| ali1234 | i have a lot of problems when i try to do local builds | 00:31 |
| ali1234 | basically it doesn't work | 00:31 |
| ali1234 | i can only get things to compile inside OBS workers | 00:31 |
| ali1234 | when i do a local build it doesn't build the chroot properly | 00:32 |
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| Phazorx | is there an alternative to this: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samsung_N140#Fn_Keys on MeeGo? | 00:45 |
| Phazorx | trying to get some of extra netbook keys working here | 00:45 |
| Phazorx | and hitting some roadblocks with offered solutions unfortunatelly | 00:45 |
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| npbitch | \o, howdy. did anyone manage or even try to install meego on a SE P800? isit even possible? | 03:05 |
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| CosmoHill | one day, one day | 03:06 |
| npbitch | ? :o | 03:07 |
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| ScottishDuck | Install Meego on a Nokia 3260 | 03:07 |
| ScottishDuck | Nokia are involved in Meego so I demand it | 03:07 |
| CosmoHill | I wonder if it will work with my 6220c | 03:08 |
| michaelg|nok | duct tape and an n900 would let you install it on anything | 03:08 |
| npbitch | i prefered that project when it wasnt a joint with nokia :P | 03:08 |
| CosmoHill | you mean Moblin? | 03:08 |
| ScottishDuck | I'd have a joint with Nokia | 03:08 |
| CosmoHill | that didn't work on any phones! | 03:08 |
| Phazorx | i have 3260 somewhere meego on it would be cool | 03:09 |
| ScottishDuck | Beta build tomorrow? | 03:09 |
| timeless | does it have a 1ghz cpu? | 03:09 |
| Phazorx | it has 36khz cpu as i recall | 03:10 |
| Phazorx | and 112x96 monochrome | 03:10 |
| timeless | somehow i doubt that meets the minimum system criteria for meego | 03:10 |
| auke | zomg 36kHz | 03:10 |
| Phazorx | 640k ought to be enough for everybody! © | 03:11 |
| Phazorx | and it has almost 2MB | 03:11 |
| ScottishDuck | Install gentoo on it | 03:11 |
| auke | you can't boot the MeeGo kernel in 2MB | 03:11 |
| auke | so no, MeeGo will not run | 03:12 |
| Phazorx | damn bloatware :) | 03:12 |
| ScottishDuck | bloat | 03:12 |
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| blizzow | new n9 pics? http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n9-breaks-cover-meego-along-for-the-ride-1998277/ | 03:14 |
| blizzow | pretty cool looking. | 03:14 |
| ScottishDuck | meh | 03:14 |
| ScottishDuck | I'm more interested in the internals | 03:14 |
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| blizzow | not too happy about the resolution of the screen, but I think it's better looking than the n97 or n900. | 03:15 |
| CosmoHill | the N9 just come out / be annoced or something? | 03:16 |
| CosmoHill | or do we have a troll? | 03:17 |
| ScottishDuck | nah | 03:17 |
| ScottishDuck | leaked pics | 03:17 |
| CosmoHill | I've seen a video o fit | 03:17 |
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| ScottishDuck | http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/19/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/ | 03:18 |
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| CosmoHill | silly question, who do we know it's meego? | 03:22 |
| Phazorx | that phone is almost as big as 7" netbooks | 03:23 |
| tybollt | hmm | 03:26 |
| tybollt | writing meego.raw takes literally forages :) | 03:26 |
| blizzow | gah needs more batt'ry. | 03:29 |
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| dcthang | hi all | 05:26 |
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| dcthang | anybody know new package qt 4.7 beta2 for meego? | 05:30 |
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| sejo | on the n900 what is working? | 08:59 |
| sejo | bought an microSD and willing to test | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | sejo: grab latest weekly and follow instructions on wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | and check it out | 09:00 |
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| Stskeeps | non-destructive operation to your maemo install | 09:00 |
| sejo | Stskeeps: I did but took the 20100803 and that one didn't boot | 09:00 |
| sejo | so d/l the 20100817 now | 09:00 |
| sejo | i need to dd it and then flash the vmlinuz file right? | 09:01 |
| Jonni | basicly ui works, and all the apps are just placeholders | 09:01 |
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| sejo | can i create a dual boot? | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | and remember 1) to bunzip2 raw image first 2) don't take sdX1, take sdX 3) put back cover on | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | sejo: load, not flash | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | Jonni: hmm, we shouldn't have placeholders anymore | 09:01 |
| sejo | Stskeeps: yeah flasher -l | 09:03 |
| sejo | Stskeeps: it's closed as I dd to the n900's microsd drive (have no cardreader) | 09:03 |
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| sandst1 | usbnetworking is working on 20100817 \o/ | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | sandst1: yeah, if it doesn't work first time, replug cable | 09:08 |
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| timoph | sandst1: yep. makes life much easier | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | next week's image should be much bette | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | r | 09:08 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: btw, what's with the infinite looping m's when trying to type something with the device's keyboard? known bug or just me? | 09:09 |
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| Stskeeps | timoph: known bug | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | can't give you a BMC# but there's one | 09:11 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: ok. thanks | 09:11 |
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| Stskeeps | morning thp | 09:45 |
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| andre__ | morning Stskeeps! :-P | 09:47 |
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| frals | morning andre__! | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | morn andre__ | 09:48 |
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| dl9pf_ | anyone using mic2 with lucid ? | 10:04 |
| dl9pf_ | seems to die after bind_mount | 10:04 |
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| sejo | ok written the raw image and loaded the kernel... | 10:19 |
| sejo | but it waits on Waiting for root device /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | ok, how exactly did you write the raw image? | 10:19 |
| sejo | dd bs=4096 if=<file> of=/dev/disk4 (where /dev/disk4 is the microsd card) | 10:20 |
| sejo | after loading do I remove the usb cable? | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | and <file> is the bunzipped one? | 10:20 |
| sejo | yes | 10:20 |
| sejo | the raw image | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | and /disk4 is without any partition, like, sdb1? | 10:21 |
| sejo | yes | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:21 |
| sejo | otherwise it's disk4s1 | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | back cover on and you 'sync' before removing usb cable? | 10:21 |
| sejo | back cover on | 10:22 |
| sejo | and ejected the device befor removing the cable | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | and no partitions mounted from the sd card in the OS doing the dd? | 10:22 |
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| sejo | then rebooted an flash loaded the kernel (but kept the cable in) | 10:22 |
| sejo | Stskeeps: nope nothing mounted | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | re-write image and check with 'mount' before that | 10:22 |
| sejo | k | 10:23 |
| sejo | hmm won't be able to mount it | 10:24 |
| sejo | mac doesn't know the FS | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:24 |
| sejo | i can try to mount on the n900 itself | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | worth checking | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | if it works there, you might be hitting our mmc bug | 10:25 |
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| sejo | Stskeeps: /dev/mmcblk0p1 is the internal card | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | right | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | mounts fine? | 10:29 |
| sejo | yes | 10:30 |
| sejo | but I've written the image on the /dev/mmcblk1 | 10:30 |
| sejo | which is the microssd | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | that's fine | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | it's reverse in meego, as internal shows up later | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | so mmcblk0 is external card | 10:30 |
| sejo | well all cards mount correclly | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:31 |
| sejo | and contain the data | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | what brand of card | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 10:31 |
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| sejo | it's a scandisk | 10:32 |
| sejo | (verified it first | 10:32 |
| sejo | 4G | 10:32 |
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| Stskeeps | sandisk? | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | can you check if the kernel detects cover on/off when booted in meego kernel? | 10:33 |
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| sejo | the back cover right? | 10:34 |
| sejo | reloading | 10:34 |
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| sejo | now the light doesn't turn on but it doesn't boot neither | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | ok, does it say something on console as you remove the cover? | 10:37 |
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| sejo | Stskeeps: yes | 10:40 |
| sejo | says card inaccesible if I open | 10:40 |
| sejo | and card accessible when closing | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | can you file a bug with exact specs of your SD card? | 10:40 |
| sejo | yes I think that should be possible | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | OS Base -> MMC driver or something | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | and Architecture ARM, Handset | 10:41 |
| sejo | registering | 10:43 |
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| sejo | that is version 1.0 right? | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | there's an exact build number in the filename of the raw image | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | 1.0.80.something | 10:48 |
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| sejo | Stskeeps: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5600 | 10:58 |
| sejo | couldn't install lspci on the n900 :/ | 10:59 |
| sejo | so it's all the info i have | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, no pci on n900 | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:59 |
| sejo | ach | 10:59 |
| * sejo facepalms | 10:59 | |
| Stskeeps | thanks for reporting - we suspect there's a issue with some cards in latest hsmmc, so | 11:00 |
| sejo | Stskeeps: welcome | 11:01 |
| sejo | tried to install (against knowing better) on my eeepc 900 | 11:01 |
| sejo | didn't work neither but that's because I don't have the atom one | 11:01 |
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| Phazorx | could someone please help with maping keys on netbook | 11:03 |
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| Phazorx | from what i read i know i need to deal wit setkeycodes and xmodmap - but i am not sure what exactly is to be done | 11:03 |
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| Phazorx | even though i read the guides it is not clearly (to me) explained where each number is obtained from | 11:04 |
| vlj | is the community obs online ? | 11:04 |
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| X-Fade | vlj: The beta one at maemo.org is. | 11:07 |
| vlj | I can use it ? | 11:07 |
| vlj | is it possible to "customise" package from meego distribution with it ? | 11:08 |
| vlj | I mean branching a package of meego | 11:08 |
| X-Fade | vlj: You can build against meego 1.0 and meego current. | 11:08 |
| vlj | ok | 11:08 |
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| vlj | err | 11:12 |
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| vlj | if I use meego obs at maemo.org | 11:13 |
| vlj | will it get "ported" to meego.com when meego obs will move to it ? | 11:13 |
| X-Fade | vlj: We have to think about that ;) But it can be copied easily anyway. | 11:14 |
| vlj | ok | 11:14 |
| vlj | and will a rpm be generated in order to add my accout obs repo to yum ? | 11:15 |
| X-Fade | Yes, your home project will be published as a repository. | 11:15 |
| vlj | I'm already a user of obs for opensuse, but I don't know how yum works | 11:16 |
| vlj | I just copy/paste repo url to zypper and it works on opensuse | 11:17 |
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| vlj | err | 11:21 |
| vlj | i can only build localy with obs on maemo.org ? | 11:21 |
| X-Fade | vlj: No. | 11:21 |
| vlj | well I don't see any "build service" link in maemo.org ;) | 11:23 |
| X-Fade | That is because it is not public yet ;) | 11:23 |
| vlj | ok | 11:24 |
| vlj | well...any idea when it will be published ? | 11:24 |
| X-Fade | vlj: https://build.obs.maemo.org/ | 11:24 |
| vlj | well i cannot register | 11:25 |
| X-Fade | vlj: I can create you an account. I'll PM you in 10 minutes, ok? | 11:30 |
| vlj | ok | 11:30 |
| vlj | thx | 11:30 |
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| andre__ | hmm, how to find out the MAC address of an N900 running MeeGo? xterm does not display the entered text (only for a short moment when zooming), and no "About product" yet. ssh? | 11:34 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: ifconfig wlan0 | 11:34 |
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| andre__ | Stskeeps: that was the idea, but xterm doesn't work:-P | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: ssh in over usb, 192.168.2.15 is device | 11:35 |
| andre__ | hmm, okay. thanks :) | 11:36 |
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| Stskeeps | if it doesn't work first time, replug cable | 11:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps / andre: so, does anyone have a clear understanding of how session proposals will work? | 11:38 |
| timeless_mbp | sivang: ping | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: submit one, things go into a black box: | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | Session proposals will be accepted starting August 1st and will close August 23rd. Around that time we'll open a second process for lightning talk submissions. | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | We expect to have a large subset of the presentations approved and scheduled by early September and are planning to have the final program ready by October 1st. | 11:39 |
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| Phazorx | could someone please help with mapping keys on netbook, from what i read i know i need to deal wit setkeycodes and xmodmap - but i am not sure what exactly is to be done | 11:40 |
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| vlj | err | 11:55 |
| vlj | is qt compatible with meego atm ? | 11:55 |
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| vlj | on qt website it said that qt sdk is "planned on the roadmap" to support meego | 11:56 |
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| w00t_ | compatible as in can you compile Qt applications on it? yes | 11:56 |
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| w00t_ | the Qt SDK is probably about making that process simpler | 11:57 |
| vlj | ok | 11:57 |
| rohanpm | vlj: you can develop applications for MeeGo using Qt, but there isn't yet a nicely packaged Qt + Qt Creator package which does meego out of the box | 11:57 |
| vlj | but it won't look "alien" ? | 11:57 |
| w00t_ | no | 11:57 |
| vlj | ok | 11:57 |
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| vlj | where can I find srpm of meego ? | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | repo.meego.com | 12:01 |
| vlj | thanks | 12:01 |
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| th3hate | Stskeeps, in order to run meego, i only need to extract the raw image to mmc and flash the kernel? | 12:05 |
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| Stskeeps | load, not flash | 12:07 |
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| th3hate | yeah, it will load meego's kernel for one time | 12:08 |
| th3hate | but after than will it flash the stock kernel or the last kernel i had before loading meego? | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | last kernel you had before loading meego | 12:08 |
| vlj | is there openjdk on meego ? | 12:08 |
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| th3hate | Stskeeps, no need to partition mmc right? | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | right | 12:10 |
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| Roy_ | Morning all, does anyone have a link to xorg-x11-utils-emgdgui-1636-1.1.i586.rpm ? I'm trying to build Meego for the joggler using vgrades instructions but the emgd packages seem to be missing :( | 12:16 |
| Roy_ | I have found all the others on the web but can't find this last package anywhere.. | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | Roy_: repo.meego.com had no right to distribute those, so they were pulled | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | emgdgui is not needed anywy | 12:17 |
| Roy_ | ah ok, so if I just remove that line from the ks file it should still build ok ? | 12:18 |
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| Stskeeps | maybe | 12:20 |
| Roy_ | well, it's no longer telling me there are more packages to download and seems to be installing some now.. so we'll see :) | 12:21 |
| Roy_ | thanks for the info, I will update the wiki page so that anyone else trying this out knows the files are no longer available | 12:21 |
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| th3hate | Stskeeps, can i move the raw image to mmc and unpack it myself? | 12:32 |
| th3hate | or i should use "sudo dd bs=4096 if=<raw_image> of=/dev/sdX" | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | second part | 12:33 |
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| CosmoHill | would this work | 12:37 |
| CosmoHill | bzcat meego.raw.bz2 | dd of=/dev/sdX bs=4M | 12:37 |
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| ali1234 | in what sense? | 12:38 |
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| CosmoHill | unstead of decompressing and then copying the image in two steps | 12:39 |
| ali1234 | bunzip2 -c meego.raw.bz2 > /dev/sdX | 12:39 |
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| CosmoHill | okay that looks better :) | 12:40 |
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| th3hate | Stskeeps, my mmc is /dev/sdh1 should i copy to sdh or sdh1? | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | sdh | 12:41 |
| th3hate | ta | 12:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | the whole block? | 12:41 |
| Venemo | hi everyone | 12:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, so the image can't be on a partitoned microSD? | 12:41 |
| CosmoHill | bbl | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: you need to manually rsync it to your own partition | 12:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | damn | 12:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | so i new microsd | 12:42 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: Make sure it is at least a 4GB one. | 12:43 |
| th3hate | Stskeeps, wtf i copied it in like 1 second | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | th3hate: that's usually not good | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:43 |
| X-Fade | th3hate: sync | 12:43 |
| th3hate | th3hate@th3hate-desktop:~/Desktop$ dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null& pid=$! [1] 3293 | 12:45 |
| Venemo | Will regular Qt applications work on MeeGo? Eg. the ones that aren't written with MeeGo Touch? | 12:45 |
| th3hate | that means it's copying? | 12:45 |
| harryF | Venemo: sure, there's a plainQt style that makes plain Qt apps look like meego, just like on the N900 | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | harryF: is that actually enabled? | 12:46 |
| harryF | Stskeeps: in dev builds, yes | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough | 12:46 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: yes | 12:46 |
| Venemo | harryF: thanks :) | 12:47 |
| th3hate | Stskeeps, "kill -USR1 $pid" shows it copied 138GB so far lol | 12:47 |
| Venemo | harryF: so in the end, what good will MeeGo Touch be? | 12:47 |
| Venemo | harryF: as far as I know, it operates on some different principles (QGraphicsView) | 12:48 |
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| Venemo | harryF: but I don't know, for example what extra functionality will an MButton give compared to a QButton | 12:48 |
| w00t_ | Venemo: it isn't necessarily the simple areas that it offers a lot of differences in.. MList for example is quite different to QListView | 12:50 |
| w00t_ | but most differences are under the hood, not something that you'd see anyway | 12:51 |
| th3hate | Stskeeps, "kill -USR1 $pid" is showing crazy numbers and speeds 10GB/s should i reset it? | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | th3hate: sure /dev/sdh exists? | 12:52 |
| Venemo | w00t_: so will offer better performance, or anything? | 12:52 |
| th3hate | Stskeeps, yeah "sudo fdisk -l" showed dev/sdh1 as mmc | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | th3hate: if it is a real sd card reader, i want it | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:53 |
| th3hate | Stskeeps, using n900 mass storage | 12:53 |
| th3hate | no reader | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | th3hate: hmm | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | th3hate: that's a little too quick even then | 12:53 |
| th3hate | Stskeeps, but it's showing it copied 600Gb so far lol | 12:53 |
| th3hate | wish i got mmc that big | 12:54 |
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| th3hate | kill -USR1 $pid | 12:54 |
| th3hate | 1326523425+0 records in | 12:55 |
| th3hate | 1326523425+0 records out | 12:55 |
| th3hate | 679179993600 bytes (679 GB) copied, 611.817 s, 1.1 GB/s | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but that is the one you did with dd if=/zero before.. | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:55 |
| th3hate | i did this "sudo dd bs=4096 if=image.raw.bz2 of=/dev/sdh | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but you also did dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null& pid=$! | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | which is still running | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:56 |
| th3hate | oops | 12:56 |
| th3hate | what should i do now? | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | killit | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:56 |
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| th3hate | only if you tell me how to | 12:57 |
| * th3hate is linux newbie | 12:57 | |
| Stskeeps | killall -9 dd | 12:57 |
| th3hate | now kill -USR1 $pid is showing no such progress | 12:58 |
| th3hate | load kernel now? | 12:58 |
| th3hate | Stskeeps, oh wait.. i see nothing copied to mmc directory | 12:58 |
| th3hate | still 2Gb free | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | dont have it mounted at same time | 12:59 |
| th3hate | ok, going to flash kernel and try to boot meego | 13:00 |
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| th3hate | Stskeeps, Kenel panic unable to mount root fs | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | th3hate: your problem is likely that you have been dd'ing to the sd card while having it mounted at the same time at your pc. | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | check with 'mount' before dd'ing. | 13:04 |
| th3hate | it should be unmounted? | 13:04 |
| th3hate | you should mention that in the wiki | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to add it | 13:05 |
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| th3hate | Stskeeps, umount /dev/sdh is enough? | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | h1 | 13:09 |
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| RST38h | How do I attach user data to an MButton? | 13:18 |
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| Stskeeps | i find her email address more interesting | 13:30 |
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| lcuk | w00t_, she wants to know if activitymanager is available, which from her message will kill background tasks randomly | 13:31 |
| lcuk | :p | 13:31 |
| w00t_ | lol | 13:33 |
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| lbt | ali1234: but... not in here | 13:38 |
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| Venemo | lcuk: it seems that she doesn't understand how the system works... | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | thp: cool photo! | 13:41 |
| ali1234 | lbt: so, if you explain to me how i can help set up your OBS then i will help you | 13:41 |
| ali1234 | but you're going to have to be a little more specific than last time | 13:42 |
| lcuk | Venemo, nahh, I think we should add a specific set of functions | 13:42 |
| lcuk | if user=='Cathy' killtasks (rand() ) | 13:43 |
| ora-666 | ))) | 13:43 |
| X-Fade | ali1234: It is almost ready, just waits for central accounts database and some hardening. | 13:43 |
| Venemo | lcuk: hehe :D | 13:43 |
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| lcuk | and Stskeeps - your point about the address, thats extremely positive :) | 13:44 |
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| CosmoHill | well that's the closest I'll ever come to V-Fest | 13:45 |
| ora-666 | thresh: | 13:45 |
| thresh | ora-666: ÔÙ ÈÕÊ | 13:45 |
| thresh | hey folks. | 13:46 |
| ora-666 | ban thresh!!!!1111ÐÙÝÐÙÝ | 13:46 |
| thresh | they keys are, like, next to each other. | 13:46 |
| CosmoHill | thresh: french keyboard? | 13:46 |
| ora-666 | russian) | 13:46 |
| ora-666 | but, maybe, it is very romantic, so looks like french. | 13:47 |
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| Kypeli | Hello. Are there any plans/roadmaps which Qt Mobility APIs will be part of MeeGo? I see that only these are currently mentioned on Meego.com: Service Framework and Contact and Bearer Management APIs | 13:49 |
| leinir | Kypeli: Check the mailing list archives, i seem to remember something about that on the sdk or dev list :) | 13:50 |
| mishrav_x | hello, I am looking for a document/page providing complete overview of the MeeGo IVI port | 13:50 |
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| Kypeli | leinir: Ok, thanks. I'll try to see what Google gives me | 13:51 |
| mishrav_x | looking for IVI features vs the handset/netbook versions | 13:53 |
| thp | Stskeeps: yeah :) usb networking was quite easy to set up with the new image - had no luck with the previous one ;) | 13:56 |
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| miles_ | Im wondering when or if the AMD Athlon II Neo processors will be supported | 15:42 |
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| slaine | miles_: I already answered that for you | 15:44 |
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| vlj | it's depending on sse3 support | 15:45 |
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| slaine | vlj, and ATI Graphics support | 15:46 |
| Phazorx | that's on the list after nokia 3260 | 15:46 |
| vlj | nokia 3260 ? | 15:46 |
| Phazorx | and 3310 | 15:46 |
| vlj | :p | 15:47 |
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| * slaine waves at lcuk | 15:49 | |
| miles_ | oh lol i just figued i would ask the community that moblin has been merged into, i didnt mean any disrespect. i just figured that since meego is the now the new netbook os, since moblin has merged with something else i cant think of at the moment, that this would be a better place to ask and get an idea of whats being done to get support for these processors. sorry if you took me the wrong way. | 15:49 |
| slaine | it is the best place to ask alright | 15:49 |
| slaine | the #moblin channel is a wasteland | 15:49 |
| lcuk | slaine, misfire :p luck just joined :P | 15:49 |
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| vlj | slaine: the ati prop. drivers does not work on meego ? | 15:50 |
| * lcuk waves @ danielwilms \o | 15:50 | |
| slaine | lcuk, rofl | 15:50 |
| luck | :) | 15:50 |
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| miles_ | Is there a features wishlist that is available to view for meego? i know most major linux distributions have this, its just to tell you what they are trying to put into future releases or the next release. just curious of the future of meego | 15:52 |
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| slaine | miles_: log a bug | 15:53 |
| slaine | as an enhancement request | 15:53 |
| slaine | But as a community, we're working towards generic x86 support (check the mail archives for the sometimes heated debates) | 15:53 |
| miles_ | right now im just talking in general, not to do with the AMD proc | 15:54 |
| lcuk | miles_, theres a great bug tree available with all the features and things needed for next release, Stskeeps often posts it, I cannot remember hte url | 15:54 |
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| Stskeeps | miles_: http://bit.ly/bPmkJ2 | 15:54 |
| lcuk | hmmm Stskeeps thats not the pretty tree?! | 15:55 |
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| Stskeeps | pretty tree is for n900 | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | or any of the features | 15:55 |
| lcuk | ahh! | 15:55 |
| lcuk | so you are saying netbook meego does not get pretty features :p | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not sure where the netbook features are, tbh | 15:56 |
| miles_ | that link was exactly what i was looking for. thank you | 15:56 |
| lcuk | can you post the one for n900 so that if someone goes looking they will see them and perhaps be able to show similar for netbook | 15:56 |
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| * Stskeeps should really leave the computer as he seemingily has worked 48 hours this week and relax on the couch | 15:57 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:57 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Timesheets never work like that IME! :-( | 15:58 |
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| ali1234 | slaine: have you made any progress at all? i've managed to build all the toolchain inside my own OBS but i can't figure out how to decouple that from the fedora base i built it against | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: pro-tip: copy the built rpms out and 'import' them like a release | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | like the page i showed you | 16:00 |
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| slaine | ali1234: not yet, not time 'til this product release happens (in final freeze/qa cycle) | 16:01 |
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| ali1234 | Stskeeps: that should not be necessary | 16:02 |
| ali1234 | but i will do it anyway | 16:03 |
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| vlj | vgrade: did you manage to check if non sse3 build does include sse3 opcode ? | 16:03 |
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| Stskeeps | did anyone bother to check if the base system even includes ssse3 opcodes? | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | that would save you a -lot- of time | 16:04 |
| ali1234 | you knwo what, i'm going to do it right now | 16:04 |
| vlj | well it should, otherwise meego would run on non sse3 code | 16:04 |
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| ali1234 | Stskeeps: however, glibc is built with -march=core2 -mtune=atom | 16:05 |
| vlj | how do you know that ? | 16:05 |
| ali1234 | it's hardcoded in the spec file | 16:05 |
| vlj | well | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: that's solvable. | 16:05 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: everything is solvable | 16:06 |
| ali1234 | the question is, does OBS actually help us solve it, or just make the problem harder? | 16:06 |
| vlj | it should help | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | if you can prove there's no ssse3 in the base system, it should help a lot.. | 16:06 |
| ali1234 | i agree, in a percect world, a system designed solely for building software would have no problem dealing with bootstrap issues like this | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | problem is that you're trying to port a higher processor OS with a lower processor machine :) | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | so that makes things initially difficult | 16:07 |
| ali1234 | not really | 16:07 |
| vlj | you can build a non sse 3 system with sse3'ed build tool | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | if you actually had a ssse3-capable builder, it would be easier | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:07 |
| vlj | I think | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:08 |
| vlj | as long as it does not include static lib | 16:08 |
| ali1234 | this is true | 16:08 |
| ali1234 | but my CPU is an AMD, can't run the ssse3 builder | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | because then you 'just' need to flip the right prjconfs | 16:08 |
| vlj | ali1234: qemu ? | 16:09 |
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| ali1234 | yeah "flip"ing the prjconfs is unacceptable in my opinion | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | why? | 16:09 |
| ali1234 | like i keep saying, it should be possible to do it with one set of static configs that do not change at any point during the process | 16:09 |
| ali1234 | you know, like an automated build? | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | it would be automated. | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:09 |
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| ali1234 | if i have to swap over the prjconfs half way, that's not automated | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | well, the thing is that prjconf swapping is what makes it easier to port | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | can i explain quickly? | 16:10 |
| ali1234 | if swapping over the prjconfs only makes it "easier" then i would rather do it the hard way | 16:11 |
| ali1234 | i mean it's already insanely difficult | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | you're also making it difficult for yourself :P | 16:11 |
| ali1234 | but i am doing it for a reason: | 16:11 |
| ali1234 | i want to produce a reproduceable set of instructions | 16:11 |
| ali1234 | if i shipped a project where you had to edit the makefile half way through the build, you'd say i was an idiot | 16:12 |
| ali1234 | if i said i did it in the name of "making things easier" you would not care | 16:12 |
| ali1234 | it's no excuse | 16:12 |
| ali1234 | apparently nobody else cares about this kind of thing | 16:13 |
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| Stskeeps | so, if i had a ssse3 capable build machine (or a proof that the base build system doesn't contain ssse3), i would import the binaries from meego straight, set up a prjconf that defaults to non-SSSE3, then start rebuilding base and export these RPMs into MeeGo:Base:nonSSSE3, then, start importing meego source packages and built against that base. | 16:13 |
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| Stskeeps | this is a similar approach to how we ported meego to ARM. | 16:13 |
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| vlj | that's moreless what I'm doing to get maven into opensuse | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | from then on, you have a set of packages that serves as foundation for non-SSSE3 meego and can sync with source packages regular.y | 16:15 |
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| Stskeeps | it isn't dirty nor half-way, it's just bootstrapping. | 16:15 |
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| ali1234 | Stskeeps: and it may or may not require a ssse3 build system which i do not have | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: right, but it makes it worth checking if the base build system requires it | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | or simply asking anyone if they want to volunteer a ssse3 box to bootstrap initially. | 16:16 |
| vlj | ali1234: maybe the builder on build.obs.maemo.org does ? | 16:16 |
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| ali1234 | yeah... so while i wait for that to go public, i'll just keep plugging away on my own | 16:17 |
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| Stskeeps | vlj: you're right, build.obs.maemo.org could do the trick | 16:17 |
| vlj | ali1234: you can use opensuse obs | 16:17 |
| vlj | ;) | 16:18 |
| ali1234 | vlj: it has ssse3 builders? | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | lbt/X-Fade: any objections to me using community obs to prove a point? :P | 16:18 |
| vlj | no idea, but they have a whole farm of builder | 16:18 |
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| vlj | +s | 16:18 |
| ali1234 | wouldn't they be like, super annoyed if i started uploading several GB of source code and binaries? | 16:19 |
| vlj | no | 16:19 |
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| vlj | well | 16:19 |
| vlj | as long as you don't publish them | 16:19 |
| vlj | they do prefer packaging from source | 16:19 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: i believe that your method would work | 16:19 |
| ali1234 | no need to prove it | 16:19 |
| ali1234 | however, it isn't the same as bootstrapping | 16:20 |
| vlj | however ali1234 : it will take a lot of time :/ | 16:20 |
| vlj | I mean human time | 16:20 |
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| vlj | meego is fedora based ? | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | no | 16:21 |
| ali1234 | not any more | 16:21 |
| ali1234 | it's closer to fedora than opensuse though | 16:21 |
| vlj | it is what-based ? | 16:21 |
| ali1234 | it is meego based | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | itself | 16:21 |
| vlj | :p | 16:21 |
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| vlj | but it shares some packaging convention with fedora, right ? | 16:22 |
| vlj | you can use fedora packages to build meego package on opensuse obs | 16:22 |
| vlj | it may work if packages name matches | 16:22 |
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| Stskeeps | is SSE ok though? | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | just pondering what cflags you're actually targetting | 16:23 |
| ali1234 | vlj: that's what i've been trying to do for 2 days, it doesn't work | 16:23 |
| vlj | amd does support sse2 | 16:23 |
| vlj | since athlon 64 | 16:23 |
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| ali1234 | the packages have same names but files have been moved around | 16:23 |
| ali1234 | so at an intermediate stage, building the chroot is unviable due to package file conflicts | 16:23 |
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| * vlj is thinking | 16:24 | |
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| vlj | ali1234: gcc does include sse3 opcde in meego ? | 16:24 |
| ali1234 | no idea | 16:24 |
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| ali1234 | i need to go write a script to find out | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: if i provide you a set of binary rpms that are meego base in non-ssse3, would you use it? | 16:25 |
| ali1234 | but if we are talking about true bootstrapping, then you don't use any meego binaries at all | 16:25 |
| vlj | i would be interest in knowing which files does include sse3 opcode | 16:25 |
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| ali1234 | Stskeeps: sure i would | 16:25 |
| ali1234 | but i would still complain about how it is impossible to bootstrap things in OBS | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | it's not impossible, you're just doing it in the wrong way | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:26 |
| ali1234 | until you provide me with a set of project configs that build full meego without using any existing meego binary | 16:26 |
| ali1234 | and without any human intervention, such that at the end i can delete all the built rpms and it will rebuild them all automatically | 16:26 |
| ali1234 | for that matter, show me a project config that can do that for *any* distro | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | that's just impossible - you need to have a base binary system | 16:27 |
| ali1234 | yes | 16:27 |
| vlj | you need gcc to build gcc | 16:27 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: did you ever read the writeup by dl9pf_ on how they ported opensuse to ARM? | 16:27 |
| ali1234 | yes, you use the gcc from distro a to build a static gcc for distro b | 16:27 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: link pls? | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 16:28 |
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| ali1234 | Stskeeps: you can use any base system you want *except* meego | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: why not meego, out of curiousity? | 16:28 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: you can use any base system you like to bootstrap any distro you like, as long as they are not the same | 16:29 |
| ali1234 | bootstrap opensuse with fedora if you like | 16:29 |
| ali1234 | you may only use suse srpms, and fedora binaries | 16:29 |
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| ali1234 | for suse and fedora substitute any distro you want | 16:29 |
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| ali1234 | but remember the whole thing has to run automated, so i only need your project configs and no extra instructions like "after it bombs out, swap the project conf for this other one" | 16:30 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: okay, so, eyes on the price: your goal is non-SSSE3 MeeGo, right | 16:31 |
| ali1234 | that was my goal about 2 weeks ago | 16:31 |
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| Stskeeps | now it's what exactly? | 16:31 |
| ali1234 | what i just said above ^ | 16:31 |
| ali1234 | bootstrap A using only binaries from B, in an entirely automated way | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | to bootstrap meego in general to a new arch | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 16:31 |
| ali1234 | the actual OS does not matter | 16:32 |
| ali1234 | nor the arch | 16:32 |
| ali1234 | just to learn how to do this using OBS | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | so, people traditionally cheat. | 16:32 |
| ali1234 | yes, so everyone keeps telling me. | 16:32 |
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| Phazorx | anyone tryed xbmc on meego? | 16:33 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't matter what shortcuts you use as long as the whole process is fully automated | 16:33 |
| Phazorx | i weny with http://www.madeo.co.uk/?p=575 but libfaad apparently is still an issue | 16:33 |
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| ali1234 | if that means adding features to OBS to automate the cheats, then those features need to be identified and added | 16:33 |
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| X-Fade | Phazorx: http://download.obs.maemo.org/home%3a/arfoll/MeeGo_current/ | 16:35 |
| ali1234 | it seems to me that it can be as simple as saying "this project is a bootstrap project so don't inherit anything from it" | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: well, that's the 'copying rpms' part | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | to cut the umbilical cord | 16:35 |
| X-Fade | Phazorx: A xbmc repo for meego. | 16:35 |
| Phazorx | X-Fade: i think that's repo i used | 16:35 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: right, it could be implemented in OBS | 16:35 |
| Phazorx | and the link i posted is a guide by author | 16:35 |
| ali1234 | but the point is it can't currently be done automatically | 16:36 |
| ali1234 | unless i have been misinformed | 16:36 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: not by API, no | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | on the build OBS itself, it can | 16:36 |
| X-Fade | ali1234: You can have repos building against repos building against repos to probably do that? | 16:37 |
| ali1234 | X-Fade: no you can't because they will all inherit from the very first build target | 16:37 |
| ali1234 | or so i have been told | 16:37 |
| X-Fade | You can 'use for build' those repos? | 16:37 |
| ali1234 | i'm pretty sure "use for build" only affects the building of packages in the same project | 16:38 |
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| ali1234 | i could be wrong though | 16:38 |
| ali1234 | anyway, if you guys don't know, then i certainly have no idea at all | 16:38 |
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| X-Fade | On the maemo obs, I bootstrapped from other repos. | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: normally, we just use other binaries to bootstrap :P | 16:39 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: you can use other binaries, as long they come from a different distro :) | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: well. opensuse has this devel:base thing, but you need to do things in the right order.. | 16:40 |
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| ali1234 | i just think that a decent build system should be able to model these kinds of dependencies | 16:40 |
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| Stskeeps | well, that gets quickly complicated | 16:40 |
| Phazorx | anyone tried using xbmc on meego and dealt with libfaad? | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | and seperating the umbilical cord is just easier | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | with the rpm jump | 16:40 |
| ali1234 | so make the build system able to do that cut automatically | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | not disagreeing with that | 16:41 |
| X-Fade | ali1234: So you want to make it kind of self hosting? | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | it's open source, send a patch? | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: does maemo.org obs require https for api? | 16:41 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: yes | 16:41 |
| vlj | X-Fade: does obs.maemo.org build non sse3 binaries ? | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: seen Exception RuntimeError: 'maximum recursion depth exceeded' in <bound method MessageDigest.__del__ of <M2Crypto.EVP.MessageDigest instance at 0xc076e4c>> ignored | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | before? | 16:42 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: no | 16:42 |
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| X-Fade | vlj: yes. armv5 and armv7 ;) | 16:42 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: i'm pretty sure all it would take is a flag on the project that says "take binaries from this project's repos, but don't inherit from this project's build targets' | 16:42 |
| vlj | I mean, i586 build is without sse3 ? | 16:42 |
| X-Fade | ali1234: You can load binary repos. | 16:43 |
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| ali1234 | X-Fade: yes. manually | 16:43 |
| ali1234 | X-Fade: manuallt != automated | 16:43 |
| X-Fade | ali1234: So you can export the result of a repo to a dir. | 16:43 |
| X-Fade | ali1234: It scans for changes automatically? | 16:43 |
| vlj | ali1234: opensuse build service do that already when building for fedora target | 16:43 |
| ali1234 | X-Fade: it automatically exports the RPMs and loads them into a new detached project? | 16:43 |
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| X-Fade | ali1234: yes. | 16:44 |
| ali1234 | ok, what do i need to put into the prjconf to tell it to do that for me? | 16:44 |
| X-Fade | Just setup 2 projects unrelated to each other. | 16:44 |
| vlj | it's in prj, not prjconf | 16:44 |
| ali1234 | in the prj then? | 16:44 |
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| ali1234 | remember that it has to be fully automated | 16:44 |
| vlj | add a <path repository=... project=... ><target><i586></target><path> | 16:45 |
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| X-Fade | ali1234: https://build.obs.maemo.org/project/show?project=Maemo%3AFremantle%3A1.2%3ABootstrap | 16:45 |
| ali1234 | vlj: that's what i've been doing for 3 days, it doesn't work | 16:45 |
| vlj | what is the error msg ? | 16:45 |
| ali1234 | vlj: the error message is "oops we inherited a load of FC13 RPMs" | 16:46 |
| ali1234 | it's really quite simple | 16:46 |
| ali1234 | FC13->project A->project B | 16:46 |
| ali1234 | project B will use RPMs from FC13 | 16:46 |
| ali1234 | there is not way to stop it without also breaking project A | 16:46 |
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| vlj | because of transiting dependencies ? | 16:47 |
| ali1234 | transitive, yes | 16:47 |
| ali1234 | B inherits FC13 from A | 16:47 |
| vlj | sorry | 16:47 |
| vlj | transitive | 16:47 |
| ali1234 | B needs rpms from A but must not use any from FC13 | 16:47 |
| ali1234 | but A needs rpms from FC13 | 16:47 |
| ali1234 | now you can fix this by building A, changing the prj on A, then building B | 16:48 |
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| ali1234 | i'm not saying that can't be done | 16:48 |
| ali1234 | i'm saying it can't be AUTOMATED | 16:48 |
| ali1234 | ie it cannot be encapsulated in the OBS prj files | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | it can be automated if you have access to the OBS | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | ie, root | 16:48 |
| ali1234 | yes, by patching OBS to add the missing features, essentially :) | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | it's open source | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | go nuts | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:48 |
| vlj | are you providing every "requires" dependencies of package of A ali1234 ? | 16:49 |
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| ali1234 | yes | 16:49 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't matter, because it doesn't fail because of broken deps | 16:49 |
| vlj | err you have your project on opensuse build service ? | 16:49 |
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| ali1234 | it fails because after it compiled e2fsprogs from B but not utils-ng from B, the e2fsprogs from B conflicts with the utils-ng from FC13, they both contain same file | 16:50 |
| ali1234 | at this point you can build any more packages at all because building the chroot fails | 16:50 |
| vlj | where is your obs project page ? | 16:50 |
| ali1234 | it's on my private OBS server | 16:50 |
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| ali1234 | anyway i think i have made the problem clear | 16:51 |
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| ali1234 | i'm going to go and write that script to check for ssse3 | 16:51 |
| vlj | ali1234: can you pastebin your prj ? | 16:51 |
| berndhs | does anyone know what the opensuse meego thing is? does that solve the ssse3 issue perhaps ? | 16:51 |
| ali1234 | vlj: which one? | 16:51 |
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| vlj | for project B | 16:51 |
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| vlj | osc meta prj ProjectB | 16:52 |
| ali1234 | vlj: http://pastebin.com/2AZHjTQ5 | 16:53 |
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| vlj | and prj of home:Admin:test ? | 16:54 |
| ali1234 | http://pastebin.com/stKD7KHq | 16:55 |
| vlj | thx | 16:55 |
| ali1234 | remember you're not allowed to edit prj of project A after it has started building | 16:56 |
| ali1234 | now i really have to go write that script | 16:56 |
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| vlj | I think you should not have named repository of home:Admin:test:test1 Fedora13 | 16:57 |
| ali1234 | i didn't name it fedora_13 | 16:57 |
| ali1234 | it's named that way because it is inherited from test (project A) | 16:57 |
| vlj | err | 16:58 |
| vlj | I mean | 16:58 |
| ali1234 | you can't remove it without also removeing project A | 16:58 |
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| vlj | you should not have named the repository of home:Admin:test Fedora13 | 16:58 |
| vlj | you should have named it "Meego" for instance | 16:58 |
| ali1234 | i didn't name it that way, it's named that way because that's the way it is named | 16:58 |
| ali1234 | i didn't get to chose a name for it | 16:58 |
| vlj | you cannot change the name ? | 16:59 |
| ali1234 | and regardless of what it is called, it still contains the same thing | 16:59 |
| vlj | obs sometimes use name of things to "guess" which implicit repo to use | 16:59 |
| ali1234 | it's not a guess, i *want* it to use fedora_13 to build project A | 16:59 |
| vlj | if your spec name does contain name of a repo, it will automaticaly build against that repo | 16:59 |
| vlj | yup but project A repository is named "Fedora_13" | 17:00 |
| ali1234 | yes, because that's what it is | 17:00 |
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| ali1234 | project B repository is called "home_Admin_test_Fedora_13" | 17:01 |
| vlj | what does happen if you change <repository name="Fedora_13"> by <repository name="Meego"> in prj of home:Admin:test ? | 17:01 |
| ali1234 | then home:Admin:test has nothing to build against, so it cannot be built | 17:01 |
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| vlj | err | 17:02 |
| vlj | what if you put home:Admin:test:test1 in another project ? | 17:03 |
| vlj | I mean, not a child of home:Admin:test | 17:03 |
| ali1234 | you mean if i call it like home:Admin:test1? | 17:03 |
| vlj | yup | 17:03 |
| ali1234 | it makes absolutely no difference at all | 17:03 |
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| vlj | strange | 17:03 |
| ali1234 | the inheritance is only done based on prj | 17:03 |
| ali1234 | and not subproject heirarchy | 17:03 |
| vlj | because there is project inheritance that comes into play | 17:03 |
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| vlj | did you have a utils-ng package in project A ? | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | probably an odd question, but why do we both have optflags, and gcc45-use-atom.c, which sets the same things? | 17:05 |
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| Stskeeps | er, .patch | 17:05 |
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| ali1234 | vlj: no, project A contains only basic toolchain stuff | 17:06 |
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| vlj | so why do you install e2fsprogs in B ? | 17:08 |
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| ali1234 | vlj: because some rpm it tries to build depends on it, and it has not been built in B yet, so it gets pulled in from FC13 | 17:08 |
| vlj | well you need to provides utils-ng and efs2progs in A | 17:09 |
| ali1234 | that won't help | 17:09 |
| ali1234 | it will just cause the same problem to happen in A | 17:10 |
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| vlj | err | 17:10 |
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| vlj | what is the exact error message ? | 17:10 |
| vlj | can you pastebin the build log ? | 17:10 |
| ali1234 | nope | 17:10 |
| vlj | nope ? | 17:11 |
| ali1234 | the exact error message is something like "error installing util-linux-ng-x.y.zfc13.rpm: file /sbin/fdisk conflicts with file from e2fsprogs-x.y.rpm" | 17:11 |
| ali1234 | because in FC13 fdisk lives in util-linux-ng but in meego it lives in e2fsprogs | 17:12 |
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| ali1234 | but the point is this kind of thing is to be expected when bootstrapping and it is why you need to break the dependency | 17:12 |
| ali1234 | nobody disputes that | 17:12 |
| ali1234 | the problem is you cannot automate it, it has to be done by hand part way through the build | 17:13 |
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| vlj | ali1234: adds #!BuildIgnore: util-linux-ng to your specfile | 17:13 |
| ali1234 | that solves the problem for one package out of 900 | 17:14 |
| ali1234 | what happens when i have this problem with something that is absolutely vital to the build? | 17:14 |
| vlj | well the issue is that project B is "linked" to FC13 and it should not | 17:14 |
| ali1234 | yes, nobody disputes that | 17:15 |
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| vlj | well if it's vital to build it must be provided already in your project | 17:16 |
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| ali1234 | vlj: and in order to build it, i need a build target to build against, and so we come full circle | 17:18 |
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| jedix | hey | 17:25 |
| jedix | File "/usr/bin/mic-image-creator", line 793, in <module> | 17:25 |
| jedix | err | 17:25 |
| jedix | damn. | 17:25 |
| jedix | I'm getting the File "/usr/bin/mic-image-creator", line 793, in <module> error when using mic2 on opensuse 11.3, google returns a plathora of results but none with a solution beyond "use fedora" | 17:26 |
| ali1234 | can you pastebin the full error? | 17:26 |
| jedix | sure | 17:27 |
| ali1234 | that looks like part of a python error, and not the useful part :) | 17:27 |
| jedix | http://pastebin.com/CfCbZ6RT | 17:27 |
| jedix | that's the full log | 17:27 |
| ali1234 | IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/buildadmin/pfi/MeeGo/image/.mic2-zGO7T6.mic2pipe' | 17:28 |
| ali1234 | that's the real error :) | 17:28 |
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| jedix | okay | 17:29 |
| ali1234 | wait: mic-image-creator: error: no such option: --pipe | 17:29 |
| ali1234 | that's the *real* error | 17:29 |
| jedix | okay.. | 17:29 |
| jedix | what does that mean? | 17:29 |
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| ali1234 | i dunno, you did not show the full command line you used... | 17:30 |
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| jedix | crap, | 17:30 |
| ali1234 | but i can see it in the log anyway | 17:30 |
| ali1234 | see line 19? | 17:30 |
| jedix | http://pastebin.com/idPguyKj | 17:31 |
| ali1234 | whatever command you ran, it just padded it through to /usr/bin/mic-image-creator with the options shown | 17:31 |
| jedix | that's the thing with the commandline | 17:31 |
| jedix | k | 17:31 |
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| ali1234 | well that doesn't make much sense at all | 17:32 |
| jedix | is it my command then? | 17:32 |
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| jedix | ? | 17:32 |
| ali1234 | mic-image-create calls *itself* with an invalid option | 17:32 |
| jedix | wonderful | 17:33 |
| jedix | should I be using it in this way? | 17:33 |
| ali1234 | no idea | 17:33 |
| ali1234 | why is it in /usr/bin? | 17:33 |
| ali1234 | is it provided by your distro? | 17:33 |
| jedix | mic2 from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/tools/repos/opensuse/11.3/ | 17:34 |
| LoCusF_ | do the repos provide mic2 0.19? | 17:34 |
| jedix | mic2-0.19-1.1.noarch | 17:34 |
| jedix | that's what I have installed | 17:35 |
| LoCusF_ | I mean the repos in the kickstart file? | 17:35 |
| jedix | oh | 17:35 |
| jedix | no | 17:37 |
| jedix | the repo int eh ks file doesn't provide mic2 | 17:38 |
| jedix | should it? | 17:38 |
| ali1234 | might explain why it calls itself with invalid args... might be wrong version from the repo | 17:39 |
| LoCusF_ | yeah thats what I'm saying | 17:40 |
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| jedix | it's certainly not in the repos :/ | 17:41 |
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| ali1234 | jedix: i suggest you look for a bug and if there isn;t one, report it | 17:42 |
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| ali1234 | i see a few bugs but none match your symptoms | 17:44 |
| jedix | hrm | 17:45 |
| jedix | you know what.. | 17:45 |
| jedix | sudo mic-image-creator --config=./pfi-3.0.ks | 17:45 |
| jedix | then on line 20: '--config=/root/pfi-3.0.ks' | 17:45 |
| jedix | /root/pfi-3.0.ks doesn't exist.. | 17:45 |
| ali1234 | well, does it exist? | 17:45 |
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| jedix | I think it's the sudo that screws it | 17:46 |
| jedix | it translates ./ to /root vs where it's being run from | 17:46 |
| ali1234 | probably | 17:47 |
| Roy_ | @vgrade, Hey I am trying out the instructions you posted for Meego on the joggler - the image is booting fine but I don't appear to have any audio or networking - is that normal or have I missed something out ? | 17:48 |
| jedix | thanks for the help guys | 17:48 |
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| jedix | so I got past that issue, but now mic2 doesn't chreate directories before trying to write to them :/ | 18:03 |
| jedix | http://pastebin.com/31t7Tm1r | 18:05 |
| jedix | if you guys have time to look at another one | 18:05 |
| jedix | I should just track down an fc machine. | 18:05 |
| ali1234 | no idea on that one, sorry | 18:06 |
| ali1234 | looks like it can't find some file on the repo | 18:06 |
| jedix | well, it's trying to write to the file | 18:06 |
| jedix | but it doesn't create the directory | 18:06 |
| jedix | so I added a line to create the directory.. it fixes that but hits yet another IOError | 18:06 |
| ali1234 | it's trying to write to /tmp/SampleMedia.tar | 18:06 |
| ali1234 | are you saying you don't have a /tmp? | 18:07 |
| jedix | it's writing to (bootstrapdir + "/tmp/" | 18:07 |
| ali1234 | ah yeah | 18:07 |
| ali1234 | well, i have no idea | 18:07 |
| jedix | I must be missing something that's supposed to create the tmp dir or the like. | 18:07 |
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| ali1234 | well according to my script, there are no ssse3 instructions anywhere in meego :( | 18:24 |
| ali1234 | i think my objdump might not even recognise the instructions | 18:24 |
| ali1234 | or it uses a different name for them | 18:24 |
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| jedix | I thought there was a compile flag for ssse3 | 18:29 |
| jedix | and atom support actually. | 18:29 |
| ali1234 | correct | 18:30 |
| jedix | odd, our OBS is reporting successful packages as failed | 18:30 |
| jedix | ever see that? | 18:30 |
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| DawnFoster | timeless: you around? I have a question for you | 18:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | . | 18:36 |
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| ali1234 | http://www.nerdbert.com/gentoo/analyse-x86 <- much better script to find used instructions... thanks gentoo :) | 18:41 |
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| BluesLee | hi | 18:49 |
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| BluesLee | the nokia meego handset image contains two partitions, do i need the second one, i.e. is the second one a swap partition? | 18:50 |
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| panaggio | Is there any way I can buy an Aava Mobile phone? | 18:57 |
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| leinir | panaggio: preorder, i believe... | 18:58 |
| panaggio | and how you people (besides "inside" guys) are testing your apps? is the n900 the unique solution? | 18:59 |
| leinir | Yeah: http://www.aavamobile.com/cdk-pre-order.php | 19:00 |
| leinir | Well, unless you've got some very special needs, you can test it all just fine in the simulator :) | 19:01 |
| GAN900 | panaggio, MeeGo is mostly just for OEMs right now. | 19:01 |
| GAN900 | It's not really ready for app devs. | 19:01 |
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| leinir | What GAN900 says is entirely true - however you can build apps just fine, just use Qt for it and you'll be good to go :) | 19:01 |
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| lcuk | is fennec the default handset browser? | 19:11 |
| GAN900 | Yes | 19:11 |
| lcuk | coolio | 19:12 |
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| ali1234 | ok, a result. meego 1.0.1 glibc contains 240 ssse3 instructions, and will apparently run on pentium nehalem or better | 19:13 |
| ali1234 | wait, that's for /sbin/sln which lives in glibc rpm | 19:13 |
| ali1234 | this script sure is slow | 19:13 |
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| ali1234 | ok, i fixed my grep test | 19:40 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: perhaps a prefix in subject line indiciating the project/package in question, so it can be tracked better by everyone | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: looks really good though | 20:10 |
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| DawnFoster | stskeeps: that's probably not a bad idea | 20:11 |
| DawnFoster | I worry about subject line length though | 20:12 |
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| DawnFoster | for those who don't know what we're talking about ... | 20:12 |
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| DawnFoster | I've been putting together some guidelines for contributing code to meego | 20:13 |
| DawnFoster | http://wiki.meego.com/Contributing_code_to_MeeGo | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | dawyeah.. it might be useful for metrics too | 20:13 |
| DawnFoster | good point | 20:13 |
| DawnFoster | stskeeps: you might want to post that feedback to the ML | 20:14 |
| DawnFoster | Gives people a chance to agree / object :) | 20:14 |
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| ScottishDuck | Is everything in beta mode now? (i.e feature merge is finished) | 20:15 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: yeah, on somewhere where i cant mail, but will do when home | 20:16 |
| DawnFoster | stskeeps: cool, thanks | 20:16 |
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| Stskeeps | will be basic mode of gitorious projects be to not accept MRs then? | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | / default | 20:19 |
| DawnFoster | not sure how we're handling details in gitorious | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | ScottishDuck: i vote for panic | 20:20 |
| DawnFoster | keep in min that this is still in the proposal phase | 20:21 |
| DawnFoster | people like anas & others might have corrections for me :) | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:21 |
| DawnFoster | I've found that putting something out that is at least close is a great way to "motivate" people to fix it for me | 20:21 |
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| DawnFoster | if I ask them to write something, I could wait forever | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, the hardest part of writing a document is starting it.. | 20:23 |
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| frals | documentation *shivers* | 20:24 |
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| jedix | wow, there's a lot of packages that are being built on OBS that say they're broken for some reason. | 20:45 |
| * timoph and can't type | 20:45 | |
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| jvillalo | Has anyone seen bspencer? | 20:46 |
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| mohan43u | is meego qemu sdk runs on amd? | 20:53 |
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| CosmoHill | should do | 20:54 |
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| vgrade | ali1234, http://pastebin.com/VTPfCV8B | 20:54 |
| vgrade | ali1234, against meego_current on maemo OBS | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | that's the entire build log of glibc? | 20:55 |
| vgrade | just the end, do you need it all? | 20:55 |
| mohan43u | CosmoHill : you said to me? | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | i need the first couple of hundred lines basically | 20:56 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 20:56 |
| ali1234 | up to the point where it starts actually compiling things, i don't need any of that | 20:56 |
| CosmoHill | mohan43u: I'm assuming your using an emulator | 20:56 |
| CosmoHill | so the VM won't be able to tell what the parent is | 20:56 |
| vgrade | http://pastebin.com/nhPDhct8 | 20:56 |
| ali1234 | thanks | 20:56 |
| ali1234 | i am running an analysis for ssse3 instructions through out the whole binary repo at the moment | 20:57 |
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| mohan43u | CosmoHill : thanks, I'm downloading the images, parallelly reading wiki pages.. just want to ensure things are ok with qemu.. | 20:57 |
| ali1234 | it should be done within the hour | 20:58 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: cool | 21:00 |
| ali1234 | so far i checked about 1500 of 1800 and found 73 contain ssse3 instructions | 21:00 |
| ali1234 | top | 21:00 |
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| CosmoHill | damit | 21:01 |
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| ali1234 | some of these have absolutely no reason to be using ssse3, for example you can't try to tell me that optimizing cross-armv5tel-binutils-2.20.51.0.2-17.1.i586.rpm is going to give any speedup for the average user | 21:02 |
| ali1234 | ah it's onto noarch rpms :) | 21:03 |
| ali1234 | hopefully no false positives from those :) | 21:03 |
| CosmoHill | if a noarch requires SSSE3 it's in the wrong place | 21:03 |
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| ali1234 | yes, therefore any results would indicate a problem with my script | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | none so far though. so meego core 1.0.1 has 77 rpms that need potentially ssse3 | 21:04 |
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| slonopotamus_ | "need"? | 21:05 |
| ali1234 | yes :) | 21:05 |
| CosmoHill | i mean it should be in i586 instead of noarch | 21:05 |
| ali1234 | here is the list: http://pastebin.com/hT3B90v4 | 21:05 |
| CosmoHill | no pastebin.meego.com ? | 21:06 |
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| slonopotamus_ | ali1234: i think all of them are rebuildable to not require ssse3 | 21:07 |
| ali1234 | glibc? | 21:07 |
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| slonopotamus_ | glibc what? | 21:07 |
| ali1234 | glibc-2.11.90-18.3.i686.rpm | 21:08 |
| slonopotamus_ | :/ | 21:08 |
| ali1234 | /lib/libc-2.11.90.so | 21:08 |
| ali1234 | specifically that file has 675 uses of ssse3 | 21:08 |
| ali1234 | the current advice from the OBS experts is we should just load up the meego binaries on our non-ssse3 build machines and just hope for the best | 21:09 |
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| ali1234 | no false positives from noarch, good | 21:13 |
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| CosmoHill | good | 21:14 |
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| ali1234 | here is the nicely formatted detailed list: http://pastebin.com/eY7xiESS | 21:25 |
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| vgrade | nice one ali1234, pastebins added to http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/nonSSSE3 | 21:27 |
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| ali1234 | i find it interesting that xorg uses no ssse3 at all, but the toolchain and libc do | 21:27 |
| CosmoHill | if I'm registered on meego.com can I edit the wiki? | 21:27 |
| ali1234 | CosmoHill: yes | 21:27 |
| CosmoHill | cool | 21:27 |
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| ali1234 | i find it interesting that quite a few things use exactly 240 instructions | 21:30 |
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| ali1234 | like /sbin/insmod.static | 21:30 |
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| DawnFoster | CosmoHill: oh sure, I made you get an account & now you're going to use it for stuff :) | 21:31 |
| CosmoHill | sounds like cross-lfs | 21:31 |
| CosmoHill | "congrats youre a dev, join this this and this, sign here etc) | 21:31 |
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| ali1234 | CosmoHill: ubuntu actually makes you (digitally, with your pgp key) sign an agreement to "be nice" before you can use their build system :) | 21:32 |
| CosmoHill | "be nice"? | 21:33 |
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| ali1234 | they call it the code of conduct | 21:33 |
| CosmoHill | have you seen the number of times I\ve been banned from #cross-lfs? :p | 21:33 |
| ali1234 | http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct | 21:33 |
| ali1234 | maybe it doesn't actually say "be nice" but it might as well | 21:33 |
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| mdp | DawnFoster, is it correct to assume that questions on the compliance program now go to -community? | 21:53 |
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| DawnFoster | mdp: I think that sounds like the right place | 21:56 |
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| mdp | ok, good, already moved there, thx | 21:57 |
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| ali1234 | hmm so it turns out my list isn't exhaustive, i didn't check for sse4.1 and sse4.2 instructions, which are also not present on AMD chips | 21:57 |
| ali1234 | (according to wikipedia anyway) | 21:58 |
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| tyan_ | hmm trying to boot meego via MMC for first time how long should I wait on "waiting for root device..." seems like it has freezed | 22:00 |
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| harbaum_ | Evening. Is there some kind of meego qt "Hello world"? Something incl. a desktop icon and rpm stuff? | 22:11 |
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| Robot101 | harbaum_: there's http://meego.com/developers/getting-started/create-basic-meego-application, but i don't think its up to date | 22:21 |
| Robot101 | harbaum_: you want to use MeeGo Touch or QML depending on the device, I think | 22:21 |
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| TSCHAKeee | eventually, we may want to develop project types for different MeeGo vertical targets (netbook, handset, ivi, etc.) | 22:38 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, looks like a lot of work for program committee, a lot of good proposals already => difficult to filter out which can't go | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:34 |
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