IRC log of #meego for Thursday, 2010-08-19

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vgradeali1234 gcc-4.5.0-6.3 fails with 'nothin provides mpc-devel' when built against meego:1.0:core on build.obs.maemo.org00:00
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ali1234yeah sounds like the problem i have00:00
ali1234if you tell it to build gcc and mpc then it will build first mpc, then gcc, then mpc again, and at that point it fails00:01
CosmoHillcould you try "--nodeps" ?00:01
ali1234because gcc now depends on mpc to run00:01
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vgradethere is no problem, if you use a build repository which is matched to the gcc version it works00:01
ali1234i cannot use a meego repository00:01
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vgradewhy not, what am I missing00:02
ali1234meego repositories need ssse300:02
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vgradestill not getting it00:04
ali1234my machine does not have ssse300:04
MaikelZ@ ali1234 so you need a repos sever for non-ssse3 only?00:04
vgradeevening arjan00:05
ali1234MaikelZ: yes, i need meego compiled for non-ssse3 in order to build meego for non-ssse300:05
vgradeso you need to use the maemo OBS00:05
ali1234no, i don't "need" to use the maemo OBS00:06
ali1234i need to figure out how to hack enough meego packages so that they compile on fedora or opensuse, and then use them to build meego00:06
vgradeok, you could use it00:06
ali1234so does the meego:current prjconf have a line like "Require: mpc"00:09
ali1234cos what you pasted yesterday doesn't00:09
ali1234so i am confused as to how it ends up inside the buildroot00:09
vgradethe one I posted was the meego:1.0:core one not the meego:current one00:09
vgradesec I'll post00:10
ali1234ty00:10
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vgradethe meego:current prjconf does not have any reference to mpc, but it is installed from the build cache, I guess due to the gcc spec. http://pastebin.com/K3F9eby000:21
ali1234well... that makes no sense00:22
ali1234i see it gets installed on line 20000:22
ali1234but that is when building gcc00:23
ali1234what happens when it subsequently tries to rebuild mpc?00:23
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CosmoHillon my left I have ali1234, on my right I have Grumpy Old Men on bbc200:23
vgradesec, I'll upload that source package to the OBS00:24
sivangso I don't get it- I signed up for the conference, and now it wants me to book the hotel?00:25
sivangbut what if I can attend only if I get some travel assistance?00:25
sivangthen I want to book only if I get that assistance00:26
sivangand what are the proper dates? :)00:26
sivangthe interface let's me choose from 12/Nov to 19/Nov .00:27
* sivang is confused.00:27
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ali1234the real conf is 13/14/15th00:28
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ali1234but you might want to arrive the day before hence 12th00:28
ali1234i dunno about the rest00:28
sivangthe dates on the banner say 15-17 :)00:29
ali1234lol wat00:29
ali1234i need to check this00:29
sivanghttps://cpregistrations.com/MeeGo2010/default.asp?page=reg-participant&wizard.stage=2&wizard.session=8221500:29
sivangcan you check this?00:29
ali1234hmm yeah that's right actually 15th is a monday00:30
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ali1234i must have been thinking of NDS00:32
DawnFostersivang: you can wait to book your hotel00:32
* thiago_home wonders if he should register too00:33
* ali1234 had flight and hotel booked before the conf registration was even open00:35
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vgradeali1234, mpc upoaded to OBS, blocked waiting for cpp as gcc bulid is in progress00:42
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tremnite all, sweet dreams00:47
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ali1234awesome, rpm actually managed to build without the unpackaged files error01:00
ali1234rpm from 1.0.1 against fedora 13 that is :)01:01
mdphrm, thinking about that compliance discussion...made me wonder about the whole gtk thing in the architecture01:01
ali1234and now it is building it... again?01:01
ali1234oh well, w/e01:01
mdpso gtk is by definition part of the middleware and therefore part of MeeGo Core01:02
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mdpbut yet it's not part of the versioned MeeGo API (yet?)01:02
mdpbut required to be in the stack to gain device compliance01:02
mdpif I understand correctly01:02
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arjanmdp: it's there for legacy apps01:04
mdparjan, ok, I kinda figured it stuck from moblin01:04
arjanthere's also a ton of LSB software that needs it01:05
arjanand meego compliance is kind of trying to be not too far away from LSB01:05
arjanat least not in the subtractive sense01:05
arjanquite a few things ONLY require gtk (and glibc)01:05
arjanit's not the most elegant part of the architecture01:05
arjanI'll give you that01:05
arjanbut it's pretty hard to not have gtk01:06
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mdpok, I see the LSB issue01:06
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mdparjan, by "quite a few things" requiring gtk, you mean specific apps included in the current release?01:08
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arjannot so much apps we have01:13
arjanas things like flash player, the various plugins to browsers, the various LSB reference apps01:13
arjanis just reality01:13
arjangtk does not make sense really on a touch only device.01:14
arjanbut .... looooooooooooong discussion01:14
TSCHAKeeeclutter01:14
TSCHAKeee*cough*01:14
mdpheh, ok01:14
arjanTSCHAKeee: even longer discussion.01:14
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alistairbut why should connected-tv and ivi require gtk as they are effectively clean slate devices in MeeGo with no baggage from previous work01:14
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arjanalistair: ivi is sadly currently chockful of gtk using stuff01:15
arjanivi.. yeah that's QT only01:15
arjaneh TV on the second one01:15
arjanbut.. again if you want a flash plugin or similar stuff ;(01:15
alistairwell there's no TV yet...01:15
arjanLSB has it, which means tons of 3rd party vendors use it01:15
arjanexplicitly removing it and going away from LSB is not very nice01:15
mdpalistair, so that's where I was going to go as well...wondering if it's possible to make a new UX without those things..would be nice to be compliant01:15
arjanand it's not like GTK is huge01:15
arjanbut as I said, it's not the most sane part of the architecture in that way01:17
alistairits totally possible to create a UX without gtk but it comes down to whether gtk is in the core and as arjan says how much does it cost to carry around the extra few MB01:17
Macerblah01:18
mdpalistair, sure technically possible. so yeah, just carry it around if you want to be compliant..np01:18
mdpit's one thing I see people ask about when they see gtk/clutter/qt in the arch...confuses many brains01:19
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denroHey guys ive been looking at this project for a while to install on my sony vaio p with gma500 should i even try or is it still a dead end this dammed peace of plastic?01:49
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denrosad thing i bought it in feb and only used it for one month, that was how long i standed vista01:50
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denrosince then no real progress in the gma500 problem?01:50
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CosmoHilli think there might be a wiki page about the GMA500001:51
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denroCosmoHill: yeah someone got it working with some relase that has been removed:/01:58
CosmoHillas far as I know it's not been released because of something to do with the driver lisence01:59
denrothe most sad thing is that all other is soo nice, i mean suspend, screen,02:00
denroand fast bootup, compared to the otehr distros02:00
denroi bought it to have a clean nice portable device, i gues im just sad and desperate cos ive never actually got to use ut :D02:02
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CosmoHilleither find a purpose for it02:02
CosmoHillor restore it to factory settings and sell it quickly02:03
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denrois there anyone who know a linux distro that might work?02:08
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balordoes bzr exist in the Meego repos?02:48
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sofarbalor: no06:25
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sofardon't think it does06:25
balorsofar: thanks.06:26
sofarthere's git, I not entirely sure but svn+cvs are there too06:26
sofarjust checked no there's no bzr06:26
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ali1234why doesn't meego's rpm-python srpm contain a rpm.spec file? it's refered to in the rpm-python.spec and build fails because it doesn't exist07:30
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ali1234copying it over from the rpm srpm makes it work07:31
ali1234when i look at the rpm-python packages from other distros they contain a copy of the rpm.spec07:31
ali1234what is different about meego? or is this just a bug?07:31
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sofarali1234: either it's a bug, or you're doing something that's not supported, like building it on a non-meego system?08:31
sofareither way it might need cleaning up, so, bugreport?08:31
ali1234yes. which is it?08:31
ali1234very well i will bug report it08:32
sofarcould be both :)08:32
ali1234where am i supposed to report bugs like this? which product?08:36
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sofarlemme check08:38
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ali1234i'm going for middleware cos it has a "package management" component08:38
sofaros base/other will work, but that sounds ok as well08:39
sofarmiddleware/others08:39
ali1234os base looks like kernel stuff/hardware specific08:39
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sofarthere's more in os base, like fastboot stuff is there08:39
sofardbus08:39
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sofarmy bugs ;)08:40
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bkrawalhow can i setup build environment for MeeGO?08:40
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bkrawalthere are lot of git repos around, is there any common script which can download all required components?08:42
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sofarbkrawal: no08:46
sofarnothing like that08:46
sofarobs08:46
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bkrawalsofar: any alternative which can be used...08:54
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sofarbkrawal: none, ask your distro to integrate components for you if you're not using meego09:00
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ChicktopusHi09:00
ali1234i just imported every meego source package into my OBS09:00
ali1234that should give it something to think on...09:01
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sofarhi09:05
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bkrawalali1234: thanks for pointer, i will try with OBS09:07
ali1234it wasn't a pointer09:07
ali1234i'm in the same boat as you09:07
ali1234i have no idea what i'm doing so i'm trying to solve the problem by just trying everything until something works09:08
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bkrawalali1234: yes something is better then nothing :)09:18
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JaffaMorning, all09:20
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Chicktopusi have problem with qemu at 64bit os09:27
ChicktopusWhat's going on?09:27
thiagowe don't know, you have to tell us09:28
sofarChicktopus: what's the problem?09:28
sofarQ: "hi, I have a problem". A: "good for you".09:28
ChicktopusI can't emu arm platform09:29
sofarhave you tried asking the qemu ppl?09:29
Chicktopusno09:29
sofarso far, you haven't mentioned anything except qemu being a problem. I'm wondering if you shouldn't be asking qemu folks09:30
ChicktopusWhen i try run app from meego sdk09:30
sofaroh hey, you're trying meego, more information09:30
Chicktopusok, i got it, qemu working good at 32bit platform, at 64bit can be many problems with emu arm platform09:31
ChicktopusSovled09:31
ChicktopusSorry for making problem09:32
sofarnp just try to be verbose when you have an issue09:32
sofarwith no information, we can't help09:32
Chicktopusok, sorry, my english is weak :;09:33
sofarjust... don't be shy09:33
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arfollanyone know what package 'cmp' is part of?13:40
timelessdo you mean http://mxr.moego.org/repo.meego.com/source/mpfr-2.4.1/cmp.c ?13:42
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arfolltimeless, I mean the cmp 'compare two files byte by byte' tool13:43
timelesshttp://mxr.moego.org/repo.meego.com/source/diffutils-2.8.1/man/cmp.1?force=113:43
timelessso it looks like diffutils13:43
timelessmxr.moego.org is your friend13:43
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arfollthat's awesome13:44
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* timeless needs to fix it to include .spec files13:44
timeless(minor glitch in the way packages work in rpm land)13:44
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arfollis there something equivalent to using apt-file using yum/rpm ?13:47
timelessyes13:47
timelessbut it requires you to have a working system13:47
Phazorxcmp? what happened to diff?13:47
timelessi don't have one of those handy ...13:47
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timelessotoh, mxr is in the cloud :)13:47
arfolltimeless, but I do ;-) and it's helpfull for different things than mxr13:48
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arfollwell sometimes it works anywyas13:48
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timelesshttp://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=apt-file%20rpm13:48
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arfollcool it's built in, even better than apt-file13:50
arfollnow if only wifi worked properly...13:50
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vljhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/08/19/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/14:02
vljdoes it looks like a meego interface ?14:02
Stskeepzi vote that it's a KIRF running meego14:02
vlj=(14:02
vljwell it has a nice look, like N814:03
vljwhen is the nokia world event ?14:04
Chicktopusn9 is good14:04
ChicktopusBut i think n9 can be with meego too14:04
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Chicktopus1ghz cpu is good to MeeGo14:05
vljI would like more news about n914:05
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vljthis is quite ironic that Nokia waits before announcing its product whereas there are bunch of leaks about these products at the same time14:09
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vljit would be better to announce it quite early, then reveals the specs latter14:10
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vljby the way is meego for hanset considered as a "linux" os ?14:13
Stskeepzsure, it is real linux14:13
Stskeepzi mean14:13
Stskeepzyou can run motif if you really wanted14:13
Stskeepz:P14:13
vljandroid is not always considered as linux by reviewer14:13
Stskeepzor emacs14:13
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Chicktopusandroid sux14:13
vljbut it has linux kernel, a framebuffer,14:13
vljthings like that14:14
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vljdoes meego ships with a pdf reader ?14:15
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vljbecause adobe sells a lite version of adobe reader14:16
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fralsvlj: where is adobe selling a lite version of pdf reader for meego? :)14:29
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vljI mean, it sells it on ovi store14:29
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vljand meego for handset is very likely to give access to ovi store14:29
ismaelvlj it ships evince, AFAIK14:30
vljok14:30
vljeven on handset version ?14:31
Chicktopusanyone of you sells applications in ovi?14:31
vljwell, mobile app14:32
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ChicktopusBecause I do not know where better to sell your applications14:33
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vljwell I do not sell apps, I'm just a user14:34
Chicktopus*my applications14:34
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Phazorxhow can i update connman to more recent revision on vanilla meego (lacking compile abilities i mean)15:15
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mdavisonStskeeps: ping15:22
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Stskeepspong15:22
mdavisonyou told me yesterday about OBS and how i can use it for creating a custom distribution for meego15:23
mdavisonis there a way where i can set up that system locally on my ubuntu machine?15:23
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Stskeepsyou'll want to set it up on hardware running opensuse15:24
Stskeepsless pain15:24
mdavisonhmm15:24
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* mbatle trying to use qt creator debugger from MeeGo SDK and I'm unable to show variables, watches. I cannot add anything to the watch window. Any idea ?16:00
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andrembatle: the contents of the debugger log is usually helpful. right pane of Windows->Views->Debugger16:03
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mbatleandre, yep, that can help, I didn't know that, thanks :)16:09
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Bostikhmh, I'm having some trouble with OBS with a maemo target building me debian packages; for some reason the package state remains "excluded" even after following the instructions from http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/article/opensuse-build-system-building-deb-packages16:26
Bostikbecause I am obviously doing *something* wrong, I could use some help - what are the questions I should be asking myself?16:26
mbatleit complains in the /usr/share/qtcreator/gdbmacros/dumper.py16:27
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mbatleandre, I get python error "TypeError: 'str' object is not callable\n", any hint ?16:42
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andrembatle: I don't guess before seeing the log16:49
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mbatleandre, http://pastebin.com/FTyerRuQ :)16:51
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andreso this is (a) missing Qt debug information and (b) a missing try-catch in dumper.py16:53
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mbatleactually I have compiled with gcc debug information (-g) and it seems to work from plain gdb17:00
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andrembatle: even stepping into Qt code?17:01
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mbatleahh ok, not that I guess17:01
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mbatleI don't find a qt debug package in meego btw17:02
andrembatle: a quick workaround for you would be to add a 'return ""'  directly under def qtNamespace():17:02
mbatleok, thanks andre17:03
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mbatlemm, I can step into the code, at least the one that is in header files, for the other I don't have the cpps I guess17:05
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mbatleandre, workaround does not really work, it breaks again a few lines later http://pastebin.com/9iW39W7T17:14
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andrembatle: replace the 'dir' with '__builtin__.dir' there17:18
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lcukDawnFoster, ping, reggie posted something on twitter which highlights the great work airside have done with the meego characters.  however their website still shows the moblin stuff.  perhaps a nudge would be good http://www.airside.co.uk/work/17:19
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lcukhe suggests it may be a carryover, I think its oversight ;)17:21
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mbatleandre, great, I got some watches now, thanks for your help17:25
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sivanganybody has experience with using MTF on N900?17:42
sivang(implicating a successful install of MeeGo on the N900 :-))17:43
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CosmoHilllcuk: something you might be interested in: http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showpost.php?p=476653&postcount=2618:00
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arfollCosmoHill, nice what uni are you at?18:11
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CosmoHillwww.anglia.ac.uk18:11
CosmoHillARU for short18:12
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arfollcool, i'm at Kent uni canterbury18:12
CosmoHillcool[18:12
CosmoHilldartford crossing has gone up in price hasn't itr?18:13
arfollno idea, i'm in spain :-)18:13
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CosmoHillnote to self: don't blink18:13
wazdn9 looks a bit weird, but nice for me :)18:16
wazdvery strange "n9" label position.18:16
CosmoHillI think I saw a video of one. It turned off mid way through and wouldn't turn back on18:16
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arfollaada all the way ;-)18:16
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CosmoHillhello evil one er i mean arjan >.>18:18
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lcukCosmoHill, nice! and last night you showed another side that no exams can do :)18:21
* lcuk was very impressed by your questions and responses in the meeting18:22
CosmoHill:D18:22
CosmoHillthanks :)18:22
CosmoHillI've only had 3 exams so far :D18:23
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sivangCosmoHill: what meeting did I miss this time? :)18:52
sivangCosmoHill: was it in meego-dev?18:53
arfollXBMC running on aava meego phone - http://twitpic.com/2g71fm18:54
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mdpsivang, L10N meeting18:54
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CosmoHillsivang: last nights TSG meeting18:57
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CosmoHillsivang: http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-08-18-18.58.log.txt18:58
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sivangCosmoHill: thanks19:01
CosmoHillhmm19:02
CosmoHillaparantly a polish mail server is trying to connect to my FTP server using the name "Administrator"19:02
Stskeepssorry19:02
Stskeeps:19:02
StskeepsP19:02
CosmoHillkickban you say?19:02
MohammadAG51Stskeeps, is your enter key symlinked to your spacebar?19:02
StskeepsMohammadAG51: no, just accident19:03
MohammadAG51:19:03
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tripzerodoes meego have vncserver?20:12
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arjannot yet iirc20:13
arjanvncserver is rather incestious with the X server in how it builds20:13
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arjanand I tried it a while ago to get it going20:13
arjanbut I got stuck completely20:13
lcuk?20:13
tripzero:S20:13
lcukhow can you have problems with the x11 server?20:14
lcukif there is one, it should talk the lingo shouldn't it?20:14
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lcukor is this a compositing issue?20:14
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arjanno20:14
arjanit's with how it builds20:14
arjanvncserver kinda buidls half inside half outside the X server20:14
arjanbut weirdly20:14
arjanand tends to be rather peculiar to which versions that works with20:15
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arjanyou effectively end up duplicating the Xorg tarbal in vncserver20:15
arjanbut even then it's massive20:15
tripzerohmm20:15
lcukI would say just grab one from debian or some other distro who have already overcome this, but well - can the redhat or fedora version be built?20:15
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tripzerodoes that go for every vncserver variant? like tightvnc or whatever?20:15
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lcukyeah vnc has spread far and wide20:15
arjanfedora packages their X different than we do20:16
arjanagain I tried for a day a while ago and gave up20:16
timeless_mbparjan: err20:16
arjandon't let me stop you.20:16
timeless_mbpwe're already duplicating the entire kernel source in the kernel sources tarball20:16
arjanbut... don't assume it's going to be trivial20:16
arjantimeless_mbp: ???20:16
timeless_mbpwho cares if we duplicate the xorg source in the vnc tarball?20:16
arjantimeless_mbp: I don't mind the duplication.. I mind it not working if they mismatch even a little, and I mind it not working with the version of X we have ;)20:16
arjanthe combination of those two was deadly.20:16
lcukwhat version of x do you have?20:17
arjanright now 1.1 is at 1.9-rc20:17
timeless_mbphttp://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=370220:17
arjantimeless_mbp: oh kernel-headers not sources20:17
timeless_mbparjan: it includes the entire kernel sources20:17
arjankernel-headers is mostly a OBS-workaround20:17
arjanyes I know, I own that package.20:17
arjancan't say I like doing it that way, but it was the least of the ugly options20:18
timeless_mbpbut, i'd have thought that x11 was a safe enough protocol that it would be hard to mismatch it20:18
timeless_mbpotoh, i'm a naive guy who assumes the best20:18
arjantimeless_mbp: I thought so to. Then I tried it.20:18
timeless_mbpabout things i know which are crap20:18
lcukarjan, are you talking about the version of X in the handset or the netbook or the IVI instance?20:18
timeless_mbparjan:  heh20:18
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arjanlcuk: all the same version.20:18
tripzeroarjan, how safe (or sane) is it to grab the opensuse package and import it?  is that a little closer packaging to what meego is doing?20:19
lcukand if the differences are so great, if something as generic as vnc cannot be easily built, what chance of other things20:19
lcukarjan, really?20:19
timeless_mbplcuk: ain't unix grand?20:19
timeless_mbpthis is why everyone should switch from x11 to RDP20:19
timeless_mbp:)20:19
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timeless_mbpit's a stable, reliable protocol20:19
timeless_mbpwith support for sound, networking, file system mapping, usb :)20:20
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lcukits not the protocol I am interested in, its interaction with x1120:20
lcuktimeless_mbp, the question could become - is there an rdp client for meego?20:21
lcukerr server20:21
timeless_mbpdunno20:21
tripzerossh -{X,Y} doesn't seem to work with mtf20:21
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timeless_mbpxrdp relies on Xvnc and X11rdp20:22
timeless_mbpsince we've established that xvnc is unhapy..20:23
timeless_mbps/py/ppy/20:23
infobottimeless_mbp meant: since we've established that xvnc is unhappy..20:23
* timeless_mbp wonders about ltsp20:23
lcukheh20:23
timeless_mbpneither xrdp nor ltsp seem to be in repo.meego.com according to mxr.moego.org/repo.meego.com20:24
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CosmoHillWhen do we get to find out about Smeego?20:26
Phazorxwhy on every restart chromium complains about being unable to open profile?20:27
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tripzeroSmeegoL20:27
tripzeroSmeegoL 1.0 codenamed "stinker"20:28
CosmoHilltripzero: ah, someone else who thinks it should have an L :)20:28
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CosmoHillwould "SmeegoL" need a trademark exception?20:29
tripzerohmm20:29
tripzeromaybe20:29
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lbtOK ... we have build.meego.com   it's the main meego build system. What url should the community OBS be at? cbuild.m.c ? build.community.m.c? build.public.m.c?  anything else?  (there will also be api.* download.*)20:36
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tripzeroi vote build.public.meego.com20:56
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GAN900Too long21:07
GAN900Needs to be short21:07
CosmoHillbp.meego.com21:07
GAN900Ha21:07
CosmoHillpeople might blame meego for the oil leak tho21:08
GAN900As a Floridian, your url offends me.21:08
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CosmoHillat least now if you want crispy duck you just throw a match at it21:08
ShadowJKlol21:09
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Phazorxbp is a curse now in americas21:13
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CosmoHillas long as you don't finds out what the B stands for :)21:16
CosmoHillcyas21:19
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lbtGAN900: "be used from an n900 keyboard" isn't a criteria...21:56
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vgradelbt, build2.meego.com and build3.meego.com for the old build.obs.maemo.org21:57
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GAN900lbt, well, it shouldn't be ugly and it should fit with the rest of the URLs.22:04
lbtcbuild is ugly... IMHO22:05
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lbtbuild.public.meego.com makes it sound like build.meego.com isn't public (which it isn't)22:05
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N9-da-kingso what do ya peeps think of n9 ?22:14
N9-da-kingits da bomb22:14
N9-da-kingi love it .... you???22:15
GAN900Looks like a MBP22:15
N9-da-kingyea....great22:15
MohammadAGI hate the looks of it22:15
MohammadAGesp. the keyboard22:15
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N9-da-bombwhy ??? it walks all over the plastick brick no???22:16
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N9-da-bombcapacitive screen...none this resistive bullshit22:17
GAN900Capacitive sucks.22:17
MohammadAG+1 on that22:17
MohammadAGI'm against it22:17
ora-666+1 on what?)22:18
N9-da-bombyou're joking right ??? its 2010 peeps22:18
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N9-da-bombstylus is the shits boys22:18
MohammadAGnew doesn't always mean better22:18
MohammadAGora-666, hating capacitive22:18
ora-666i do not use stylus on my 5800, and n900 does not need a stylus too.22:18
MohammadAGit's oversensitive for22:19
fralsyou can usually spot the trolls by the fact the made up the nickname about 1second before starting a new clean irc session22:19
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N9-da-bombtrolls?22:19
N9-da-bombstop being so anal mate22:19
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GAN900ora-666, ++22:19
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ora-666but a capacitive has one pro - multitouch.22:20
N9-da-bombits got 100 pros over resistive22:20
MohammadAGora-666, resistive can do multitouch22:21
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ora-666as i understand, there are no access to garage now?22:21
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N9-da-bombso you peeps think are smarter than nokia right?22:21
MohammadAGwhy am I wasting time in a retarded discussion22:22
N9-da-bombMohammadAG: i dunno22:22
ora-666i registered as member on meego.com, but i don't see anything related to src upload, or build system, or i don't know what the right way to push srpms)22:22
N9-da-bombi installed meego latest build on my brick....mega fail....give me n9 with snapdragon baby !!!22:23
* lcuk pokes N9-da-bomb's eye out with a stylus. OI sometimes capacitive is good, but othertimes having a pointy stick for precision is also important.22:25
lcukhave you seen the nokia X3-2 with touch and type?22:25
lcukwhilst you are on about new fangled stuffs22:25
lcukthats resistive and the web are swooning over it22:26
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N9-da-bombyour opinion only mate22:26
MohammadAGsame goes for you22:26
N9-da-bombwell yes....but i think i have nokia on my side over you peeps22:27
ora-666in other side, sometimes i can't click on url even with stylus)))22:27
N9-da-bombunless you think nokia is stupid22:27
Phazorxwhat does abrtd do?22:27
lcukN9-da-bomb, huh? nobody thinks nokia are stupid22:28
lcukand the users around aren't either22:28
Phazorxi got a mesage on tty1 saying it failed but i dont see same message in /var/log/messages22:28
* lcuk was playing with capacitives the other day and on a responsive UI they are great22:29
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N9-da-bombyes22:29
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lcukbut I can't write on one22:29
lcuki have a few larger capacitives here too22:29
MohammadAGI just think it's oversensitive22:30
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MohammadAGI used an iPhone for a week22:30
MohammadAGkept calling people by mistake22:30
lcukpoor you22:30
MohammadAGpoor bill22:30
N9-da-bombonly you22:30
lcukso have you got an n900?22:30
lcukN9-da-bomb, ^22:30
N9-da-bombi have the brick22:31
thiago_homethe E63?22:31
ljpe9022:31
N9-da-bombthe n90022:31
thiago_homeright, the E9022:31
thiago_homethat's the brick22:31
N9-da-bombits my pet name for n90022:31
thiago_homeit comes even in brick colour22:31
thiago_homeyou've never seen an E90 then22:31
N9-da-bombanyhow....n9 is coming... it will blow n900 out of water22:32
N9-da-bombi had the e9022:32
MohammadAGnot sure about that22:32
* ljp waits to see a bbq built of e90's22:32
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thiago_homehttp://static.phonesreview.co.uk/wp-content/phoneimages/2008/03/nokia-e90-not-the-best-bling-phone-on-the-market.jpg22:32
MohammadAGalthough I might get an N9, my N900 won't be replaced22:32
N9-da-bombMohammadAG: why?22:33
MohammadAGor I'll just get another N90022:33
MohammadAGdidn't like the N9 much22:33
MohammadAGespecially the keyboard22:33
N9-da-bombwhy get obsolete stuff though ?22:33
MohammadAGhow is it obsolete22:33
N9-da-bombhow can you not like an all metal fone over plasticky brick?22:33
MohammadAGmetal eh?22:34
MohammadAGmy dad has an E66, I know how metal is22:34
N9-da-bombaluminum no?22:34
* ljp thinks people do not understand the word obsolete22:34
N9-da-bombe66 is old news22:34
MohammadAGwhy do I care about material?22:34
MohammadAGmy N900 is mint22:34
thiago_homeljp: the word obsolete is obsolete22:34
MohammadAGafter 8 months22:34
N9-da-bombbecause it makes fone more robust22:34
leinirIn the words of Father Jack: I LUV MY BRICK!22:34
MohammadAGlame logic22:35
ljpfinally working ssh on n900 meego22:35
N9-da-bombplastick looks like childs toy22:35
MohammadAGI like gtk over Qt22:35
MohammadAGGTK*22:35
ora-666MohammadAG: n900 has a nice feature: automatic answering to incoming calls, while you trying to get out it from pocket.22:35
MohammadAGora-666, never had that :)22:35
ora-666nice resistive feature)22:35
N9-da-bombnokia chose qt....time to get over gtk22:35
N9-da-bombspilled milk mate22:36
fralsora-666: put it in your pocket with the proximity sensor at the bottom, problem solved :p22:36
lcukora-666, technically just replacing screen technology wont do anything to solve that22:36
fralsor just not the display facing out ;p22:36
N9-da-bombi love the n922:36
ali1234N9-da-bomb: N9 wouldn't look out of place inside a dmc-12 :)22:36
lcukN9-da-bomb, have you got one?22:36
N9-da-bombits thin....its metal....etc22:36
lcukwhy don't you marry a coathanger?22:36
lcukthey are thin and metal22:37
MohammadAGyou do know it could be a KIRF22:37
N9-da-bombnone of this plastick cover on camera bullshit22:37
N9-da-bombor a goofy kickstand that broke on me after 2 weeks22:37
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MohammadAGsometimes I'm thankful I can't op myself22:38
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lcuklol22:38
ora-666gg22:38
lcukN9-da-bomb, i certainly agree, the n9 does look splendid22:38
N9-da-bombgo nokia!!22:38
N9-da-bombyou mates are crying the blues over spilled milk...get a grip and join us in 201022:38
lcukand I think everyone appreciates your enthusiasm, but you have to chop your insults down and remove the swearing22:39
lcukwe are! but if you come in attacking then we will respond in kind22:39
* thiago_home points out that until a device is officially announced, there is no N922:39
N9-da-bomballs im sayin is N9 rocks22:39
thiago_homethere was another device reported to be the N9 a month ago22:39
lcukso go and tell 100 people about it22:39
N9-da-bombha?22:39
ali1234how can you even be sure that thing isn't just some chinese knock-off?22:39
ljpN9-da-bomb: and you know .. how?22:39
thiago_homeyou know, meego source code is available22:40
N9-da-bombi think nokia finally got this right22:40
thiago_homethere is a handset edition22:40
leinirN9-da-bomb: i take it you read the notes that this is a research mockup, right? Not a finished device about to go on market. :)22:40
thiago_homesome chinese company could be just making it22:40
ali1234carved out of styrofoam, spray painted silver, and with meego screenshot photoshopped in22:40
leinirNow, i'll say: i saw one of the devices which were that for the N900, and they were... different :)22:40
ljpnot styro.. wood22:40
thiago_homeali1234: photoshopped? I was going for actually running, but sure, your idea is better :-)22:40
N9-da-bombno...its the real deal....i know some folks at nokia22:41
ljpheh22:41
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lcukN9-da-bomb, nokia is such a large company, I think everyone knows some folks who work there22:42
ljpespecially if your finnish22:42
lcukeven if you are just starting22:42
N9-da-bombthis guy i know checked in their internal system and said its legit22:43
ljpthats funny22:43
lcukif you came in swearing and ripping shit out of other nokia products to him I bet he would say anything to get rid of you ;)22:43
N9-da-bombno22:44
thiago_homeN9-da-bomb: the problem is that we have only your word for it22:44
thiago_homewe don't know your source and we don't know you22:44
N9-da-bombyour choice to believe me22:44
thiago_homeand since Nokia won't comment on this...22:44
* ljp gets back to adding ofono to qt bearer22:44
N9-da-bombif this thing turns out for real will you doubting Thomases apologize to me?22:44
MohammadAGno22:45
thiago_homeI doubt we'll ever hear from you again22:45
N9-da-bombgot ya!22:45
N9-da-bomboh....you will...trust mde22:45
thiago_homeso even if this turns out to be real, there will be no one to apologise to22:45
MohammadAGwe don't owe you an apology22:45
thiago_homestart by saying your name and where you're from22:46
N9-da-bombbut yous been bashin me22:46
ali1234N9-da-bomb: if you have sources inside nokia why do you come here and annoy people instead of selling your story to someone who cares eg engadget?22:46
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MohammadAGis this a family channel?22:46
N9-da-bombok...sorry....no more inside info for you22:46
N9-da-bombchill dudes22:47
thiago_homeN9-da-bomb: you do realise that a good portion of the people in this channel know more than you, right?22:47
N9-da-bombits just a fone22:47
N9-da-bombwhats your poitnt?22:47
MohammadAGthey don't need inside info they can get themselves22:47
N9-da-bombok22:47
N9-da-bombsorry then22:47
thiago_homeyou're not giving us any new info22:47
N9-da-bombi cant disclose22:48
lcukactually he is, but my brain is full so hes pushing out the good stuff22:48
N9-da-bombwhy all this negativity to me?22:48
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N9-da-bombcant you guys just let loose sometimes?22:49
thiago_homejust one more thing for you to think about: Nokia protos often have wrong device numbers22:49
thiago_homethe N900s, last year, showed "N00"22:49
N9-da-bombnot this one22:49
lcukbecause you came in bitching about the n900 which incase you hadn't noticed is a reference device for the meego handset platform and something which people work with a lot22:49
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N9-da-bombbitching?22:50
StskeepsN9-da-bomb: sorry, didn't I ask you to keep the same nick?22:50
N9-da-bombi changed my mind....pretty please ??22:51
N9-da-bombdid i offend anyone? no?22:51
Stskeepsyour game is the usual one, so, please, behave22:52
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N9-da-bombi just find this room too serious22:53
N9-da-bombloosen up dudes22:53
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StskeepsN9-da-bomb: either way, this isn't a nokia discussion channel, discussion deals with meego.com :P22:55
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Stskeepsi'm sure you'd feel right at home at talk.maemo.org though22:55
MohammadAGO_O22:56
lcukN9-da-bomb, or talk happily with Stskeeps in #meego-dev ;) since thats the handset home :P22:56
lcukerr crap22:56
lcuk#meego-arm even :P22:56
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lcukwe are trying to improve tmo tyvm22:56
CosmoHillwtf22:57
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MohammadAGfood fight!!!22:57
StskeepsN9-da-bomb: go try to install the mmc image from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php and test22:58
Stskeepsthen you'll understand what meego is about :)22:58
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lcuk++22:58
N9-da-bombi did22:58
Stskeepswhich release?22:58
N9-da-bomblatest22:59
Stskeepsv4 or v6?22:59
N9-da-bombits slow as hell on my bri... err... my n90022:59
ora-666Xephyr starts with black screen, it is normal?)22:59
N9-da-bombi dunno...i grabbed what was there22:59
Stskeepswhen did you grab it?23:00
ScottishDuckyou're trolling is poor23:00
N9-da-bombtoday23:00
MohammadAGsomehow, I think you don't even have an N90023:01
MohammadAGpaste the line under arm-n900-closed.ks23:01
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N9-da-bombi have a question...will xchat in its current form or any other current app run on n9 ?23:01
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ora-666irssi will.23:01
ScottishDuckI'm sorry23:01
ora-666xchat will die23:01
ScottishDuckdoes this appear to be #n9?23:02
ScottishDuckcause it's not23:02
N9-da-bombMohammadAG: i have N90023:02
StskeepsN9-da-bomb: please take N9 discussions somewhere else, not a nokia channel :)23:02
N9-da-bombwhy??? n9 is meego no?23:03
Stskeepsit's not meego from meego.com, at least23:03
N9-da-bombhuh?23:04
JaffaN9-da-bomb: So is your question about whether "XChat in its current form or any other current app" run on MeeGo?23:04
N9-da-bombmeego is meego no?23:04
Stskeepsit's harmattan, which is a different beast - how that exactly is related to branding it meego is a funny excersise23:04
N9-da-bombtoo much framgantation23:04
StskeepsN9-da-bomb: trust me, we're as confused as you about this issue..23:04
JaffaStskeeps: More so, probably23:04
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N9-da-bombthose screenshots today....thats meego right?23:05
Stskeepswhat url?23:05
ScottishDuckI thought you had used meego23:05
N9-da-bombthe leaked photos23:05
ScottishDuckyou should know23:05
N9-da-bombengadganet23:05
JaffaN9-da-bomb: Anyone who knows wouldn't say23:05
N9-da-bombor whatever the fuck its called....engadget23:06
lcukJaffa, that xchat question will come up no doubt23:06
lcukat least until someone makes a decent irc client for meego?23:06
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JaffaN9-da-bomb: Anyway, if it's a Nokia prototype (looks like it, but doesn't say "N00") then it's not running Symbian AFAWCT.23:06
JaffaN9-da-bomb: So that leaves MeeGo-Harmattan23:07
N9-da-bombrite23:07
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MohammadAGhmm, so writing meego-handset-armv7l-n900-nokia-proprietary-1.0.80.15.20100817.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 to the MMC provides a working MeeGo install?23:08
MohammadAGor do I need to do the kickstart crap23:08
StskeepsMohammadAG: bunzi2 it first23:08
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MohammadAGStskeeps, yes yes, I know, but I don't need to install more stuff on top of it right?23:09
archebyteMohammadAG: you need the kernel too.23:09
Stskeepsjust load the kernel23:09
Stskeepsand to the block device, not the partion23:09
Stskeepspartition23:09
MohammadAGI was thinking bme and such, but I guess that's included23:09
Stskeepsit's in it23:09
MohammadAGk, understood23:09
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mzquestion: are there any command-line tools that will copy or move an icon from the launcher to the quicklaunchbar?23:39
aukein the netbook UI?23:41
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mzi'm working on a handset actually but I'll take what I can get :)  on the handset application icons are assigned to launcher or quicklaunchbar according to the file $HOME/.config/duihome/launcherbuttons.data.  I can add an application to the launcher on install by creating a .desktop file and calling update-desktop-datavase.  Am looking for a way to add to quicklaunchbar instea dof launcher23:44
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sp3000it sounds so quaint :)23:53
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mzyeah, low-capacity too :)23:53
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lcuk"Mailman privacy alert"23:57
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lcukAn attempt was made to subscribe your address to the mailing list23:57
lcukmeego-touch-dev@meego.com.  You are already subscribed to this mailing list.23:57
lcuk:D23:57
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lcukit could have told me that on the website :P23:57
* lcuk couldnt remember that he had subscribed23:57
ali1234it does23:59

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