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| tripzero | lbt, | 00:32 |
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| * lbt just looked at the costs for the conference... I can fly *AND* stay 3 days in the D4 Berkely for £150... or I can book on the conference site and pay €315 for just the accomodation.... mmm | 00:32 | |
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| lbt | tripzero, | 00:32 |
| tripzero | lbt, so why cna't the obs build anything? | 00:33 |
| lbt | tubes are full of gunk | 00:33 |
| tripzero | ew | 00:33 |
| tripzero | need plumbers | 00:33 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: lol | 00:33 |
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| killeus | anybody knows how to make a qt application on fullscreen mode? | 01:12 |
| killeus | i tried with showFullscreen but it doesn't work | 01:12 |
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| tripzero | killeus, try #qt | 01:14 |
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| killeus | i've already did it in other platforms. I thik that it is not a qt problem | 01:15 |
| killeus | the same code works on maemo | 01:15 |
| killeus | and linux desktop | 01:15 |
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| killeus | tripzero: have you ever did a fullscreen application on meego? | 01:16 |
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| tripzero | killeus, meego? handset? netbook? | 01:20 |
| tripzero | sorry, meego is slightly ambiguous | 01:20 |
| killeus | tripzero: meego handset running on a n900 | 01:20 |
| killeus | tripzero: i know :D | 01:20 |
| tripzero | ahh | 01:20 |
| tripzero | is this pure qt or meegotouch? | 01:20 |
| killeus | pure qt | 01:20 |
| tripzero | hmm | 01:21 |
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| tripzero | running with -style meegotouch? | 01:21 |
| csd | Hi - I'm looking for the gnome-screensaver arm rpm, and it repo.meego.com seems to only have it under netbook/i586 | 01:22 |
| killeus | let me try | 01:22 |
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| csd | anyone know where it is? | 01:22 |
| tripzero | csd, why do you want the gnome-screensaver for arm? | 01:23 |
| tripzero | handset doesn't use any gnome stuff | 01:23 |
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| csd | tripzero, I'm building an image by hand and when I start X+mutter, I get the following on .xsession-errors | 01:27 |
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| csd | sh: /usr/bin/gnome-screensaver: No such file or directory | 01:27 |
| tripzero | oh, you are trying netbook on arm... | 01:28 |
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| csd | well. my ks file is badly mangled by now, but what tells it that I'm trying netbook? I was trying to get uxlaunch to work - isn't that also used for handsets? | 01:30 |
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| tripzero | yes, uxlaunch is used for handsets, but using a different configuration | 01:32 |
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| csd | okay, so I guess I got my config wrong then - I'll take a look at what's wrong. So handset isn't supposed to use mutter? | 01:35 |
| killeus | tripzero: i still have the main top bar | 01:37 |
| killeus | tripzero: that one with the clock | 01:37 |
| tripzero | killeus, hmm. oh | 01:37 |
| tripzero | the system-ui bar? | 01:37 |
| tripzero | i don't think you can make that go away | 01:37 |
| killeus | yeah.. the system-ui | 01:37 |
| tripzero | check qtconfig see if there are other styles available | 01:37 |
| tripzero | like a default qt style | 01:38 |
| killeus | hum.. may be | 01:38 |
| tripzero | of course, that will likely make your app look like crap... | 01:38 |
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| killeus | tripzero: i know | 01:39 |
| kaitlin_ | tripzero: If you don't want the systemui-bar, you can remove the meegotouch-systemui.desktop from /etc/xdg/autostart. Then uxlaunch wouldn't start it on boot. | 01:39 |
| killeus | qtconfig => segmentation fault | 01:40 |
| tripzero | ew | 01:40 |
| tripzero | kaitlin_, i think he wants it, just not in his full-screen qt-app | 01:40 |
| tripzero | and i think the qt style is making it so all qt apps have the sysui bar | 01:41 |
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| tripzero | killeus, that may be a bug | 01:41 |
| kaitlin_ | Ah, hmm.. I missed that. | 01:41 |
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| killeus | tripzero, kaitlin_: thanks anyway.. i have to go now | 01:43 |
| killeus | bye | 01:43 |
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| ColdSun | hello | 01:57 |
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| CosmoHill | either you're 17 or you're clone #17 | 02:08 |
| ColdSun | ? | 02:09 |
| ColdSun | oh | 02:09 |
| CosmoHill | ^.^ | 02:09 |
| ColdSun | :) | 02:09 |
| b-man` | lol | 02:10 |
| b-man` | well | 02:10 |
| b-man` | b-man17 is my registered nick | 02:10 |
| b-man` | but i prefer b-man | 02:10 |
| CosmoHill | you have a ` | 02:11 |
| b-man` | and i am 17 xD | 02:11 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 02:11 |
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| CosmoHill | it was either that or 93 | 02:11 |
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| b-man` | 92 ;) | 02:12 |
| auke | I'm not changing my nick to auke37, that would be ambiguous :) | 02:12 |
| CosmoHill | I thought you were younger | 02:13 |
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| b-man` | CosmoHill: turn 18 in october ;) | 02:14 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 02:14 |
| CosmoHill | I turned 18 in March | 02:14 |
| CosmoHill | 2007 >.> | 02:15 |
| berndhs | I've been 29 for so long, i don't even remember | 02:15 |
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| b-man` | lol | 02:15 |
| CosmoHill | lol | 02:15 |
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| ColdSun | i was wondering if there is any info on skinning meego? | 02:18 |
| CosmoHill | step 1. sharpen knife | 02:18 |
| Jaffa | ColdSun: Which UX? :-/ | 02:19 |
| Jaffa | That's question #1 today. In a few months time, it'll be "which MeeGo?" :-/ | 02:19 |
| ali1234 | surely the question would be "which device?" | 02:21 |
| berndhs | how is the community OBS doing? taking non-maemo people now ? | 02:21 |
| ali1234 | berndhs: i'm making progress on setting up my own OBS if that helps | 02:22 |
| ali1234 | i've only been at it for 4 days, i think i might be able to actually build a package in the next couple of days :) | 02:22 |
| berndhs | can i help with that? | 02:22 |
| ColdSun | device would be a netbook | 02:22 |
| ColdSun | im new to meego, so what does UX mean?\ | 02:23 |
| ali1234 | ColdSun: UX means netbook, handset, or in-vehicle | 02:23 |
| CosmoHill | User Experience | 02:23 |
| berndhs | ali1234 I got a suse obs, but can't really run it as a service here | 02:23 |
| ali1234 | ColdSun: when people actually start releasing devices with customized front ends, the question is going to become "which device?" but at the moment it means the same thing | 02:24 |
| ali1234 | berndhs: i'm just running the OBS appliance in a VM | 02:24 |
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| ali1234 | berndhs: i got as far as linking to the openSUSE OBS, now i need to bootstrap the meego toolchain against that | 02:25 |
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| ali1234 | in theory all i have to do now is figure out how to load up the srpms | 02:25 |
| berndhs | ali1234: hmm, then run workers as a xen vm inside the vm ? | 02:25 |
| ali1234 | no, just run them in chroot | 02:26 |
| ali1234 | i'm only interested in building for the arch running the server | 02:26 |
| ColdSun | i would like to make a skin for meego | 02:26 |
| berndhs | that will work on e.g. a fedora system ? | 02:26 |
| ali1234 | berndhs: what do you mean? | 02:26 |
| berndhs | run the server appliance inside an opensuse vm, and the workeds on the fedora host | 02:27 |
| ali1234 | berndhs: OBS appliance is a full distro with OBS already set up | 02:27 |
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| berndhs | yes i know i have on | 02:27 |
| ali1234 | i'm running it in virtual box on ubuntu host, not that it makes any difference | 02:27 |
| ali1234 | i'm running everything in the one VM | 02:27 |
| berndhs | so i can just run that in a virtualbox vm | 02:27 |
| berndhs | i should try that | 02:27 |
| ColdSun | last newbie question i promise: can the icons along the top of the latest interface be changed? | 02:27 |
| ali1234 | berndhs: i'm keeping notes: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Ali1234 | 02:28 |
| berndhs | ok i'll check that out, thanks | 02:28 |
| ali1234 | no guarantee i'm doing it right though | 02:28 |
| berndhs | of course :) | 02:28 |
| berndhs | i can make rpms, but my meego machine isn't pristine, has non-standard stuff installed | 02:29 |
| ali1234 | i tried before the build rpms in a normal meego chroot but too many of them failed | 02:30 |
| ali1234 | s/the/to/ | 02:30 |
| infobot | ali1234 meant: i tried before to build rpms in a normal meego chroot but too many of them failed | 02:30 |
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| berndhs | i guess i should make a meego vm in virtualbox to test my rpms | 02:31 |
| CosmoHill | berndhs: core or GUI? | 02:31 |
| berndhs | gui applications | 02:31 |
| ali1234 | the only machine i have that can run meego is an atom, so no VX | 02:31 |
| CosmoHill | then no | 02:32 |
| CosmoHill | meego requires 3D support | 02:32 |
| ali1234 | virtualbox has 3d support now, if you can make it work | 02:32 |
| berndhs | ah yes, my ssse3 machine with native intel as a host would be hidden | 02:32 |
| CosmoHill | you can try but I don't think it's up to it | 02:33 |
| ali1234 | i need to recompile everything without ssse3 before i even get to that point | 02:33 |
| berndhs | it makes sense, unfortunately | 02:33 |
| ali1234 | so, first step, recompile meego toolchain against openSUSE repos to make a new build target for everything else | 02:33 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/nonSSSE3 | 02:34 |
| CosmoHill | oh wait you're already on there | 02:34 |
| ali1234 | CosmoHill: yeah i know, my nick is on that page under yours :) | 02:34 |
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| berndhs | looking at none of the details, that will take me, oh, 3 weeks if i'm good ? | 02:36 |
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| ali1234 | vgrade: i didn't test that objdump line on an actual ssse3 binary btw, cos i didn't have one handy... can you (or anyone else) confirm it works? | 02:38 |
| ali1234 | (i tested it my grepping for standard x86 instructions, then substituting the ssse3 ones) | 02:39 |
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| alex_ | hi, who knows that how to install " pyqt" using yum? | 06:14 |
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| alex_ | anybody here??? | 06:37 |
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| ali1234 | wow i think my OBS is building something!!! | 07:08 |
| ljp | I'm here | 07:08 |
| ali1234 | amazing.... | 07:08 |
| ali1234 | ljp: he quit :( | 07:08 |
| ljp | heh | 07:09 |
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| ali1234 | cool, it succeeded in compiling binutils | 07:26 |
| ali1234 | that's like 95% of the battle :) | 07:26 |
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| ali1234 | hmm so gcc failed to build because a patch didn't apply | 08:12 |
| ali1234 | maybe i should use trunk instead 1.0.1 | 08:12 |
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| ali1234 | this sucks. build.opensuse.org is down, so i can't use my obs. | 09:38 |
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| johnx | is there some central event handling daemon on meego that deals with things such as: "user hit the power button" or "battery is critically low" | 09:44 |
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| johnx | so is power management handled differently on every machine running meego? What ever happened to OHM? | 10:01 |
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| sofar | johnx: planned for merging afaik | 10:07 |
| johnx | ah, cool | 10:07 |
| johnx | so that's going to be used on ARM and x86? | 10:08 |
| sofar | yes | 10:08 |
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| johnx | while I'm bothering you, :) do you happen to know how if there will be something similar to cron (or nokia's alarmd)? | 10:10 |
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| Ux4ever | hi, | 10:10 |
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| sofar | johnx: cron for now, not sure what later | 10:11 |
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| Ux4ever | vgrade : hello, I tried yesterday evening some test with my archos A9 | 10:14 |
| Ux4ever | I read your several post with _BuBu, but I got some errors :-( | 10:15 |
| _BuBU | Hi Ux4ever | 10:16 |
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| hena | ½. | 10:38 |
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| niala | morning rain :/ | 11:54 |
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| th3hate | Stskeeps, will meego(.com) release contain intell appUp store? | 12:17 |
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| lbt | fabo: no, you didn't | 12:52 |
| lbt | we were waiting for you | 12:52 |
| lbt | can you join #meego-dev though | 12:53 |
| fabo | lbt: I'm in meego-dev | 12:53 |
| fabo | hmmm no ... | 12:53 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: I assume armv5 builds are targetting the n8x0 devices ??? | 12:55 |
| CosmoHill | morning | 12:55 |
| slaine | morning CosmoHill | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: it is, but if we don't meet our goals with the production obs, even n8x0 is irrelevant | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:56 |
| slaine | hehe | 12:58 |
| slaine | yup, just checking | 12:58 |
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| CosmoHill | salut tekojo | 13:03 |
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| tekojo | CosmoHill: hi, funny thing how ripping the ethernet cable disconnects irc | 13:03 |
| CosmoHill | haha | 13:04 |
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| tekojo | also closing the irc client disconnects irc, where do I file a bug? | 13:06 |
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| CosmoHill | tekojo: go to bugs.meego.com then close your web broswer | 13:06 |
| tekojo | ah, I also closed the browser accidentally back there | 13:07 |
| sivu | argh | 13:07 |
| CosmoHill | are you on a desktop or a laptop? | 13:07 |
| sivu | where does the OBS get the downloadurl for buildinfo | 13:07 |
| sivu | i searched every config for the solution but still get wrong ip listed and so local builds fail | 13:08 |
| tekojo | CosmoHill: laptop, or netbook to be precise | 13:08 |
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| CosmoHill | it would be a strech to say you'd knock out the power cable and have a flat battery at the same time | 13:09 |
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| tekojo | CosmoHill: I certainly can try! | 13:09 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, he said accidentally closed browser. it occured when the netbook fell to the floor after catching the power lead with his leg and the ensuing dive to try and catch stuff managed a cascade effect in the offices | 13:10 |
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| tekojo | lcuk: ethernet cable :) | 13:10 |
| lcuk | thats a good point | 13:11 |
| lcuk | moral being: use wifi :p | 13:11 |
| tekojo | I really blame danielwilms, he wanted the eth cable | 13:12 |
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| lcuk | lol tekojo | 13:22 |
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| * CosmoHill offers tea | 14:12 | |
| * LokisSword accepts gracefully | 14:13 | |
| LokisSword | Hi | 14:13 |
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| LokisSword | I've recently received a Joggler and have been trying out various distros. Looking to try meego. | 14:14 |
| CosmoHill | you're in luck | 14:14 |
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| CosmoHill | LokisSword: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiGxx8DXkEI | 14:15 |
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| LokisSword | Cosmohill: interesting, does meego currently have an on-screen keyboard? Or still need yen keyboard. | 14:19 |
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| CosmoHill | I think he was using a real keyboard in that video | 14:20 |
| LokisSword | Yen = usb | 14:20 |
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| LokisSword | What is video playback performance like on meego? | 14:21 |
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| timeless | meego is a software platform... | 14:21 |
| LokisSword | UI looked fairly snappy in that video | 14:21 |
| timeless | w/o a hardware platform, you can't usually have concrete numbers for anything | 14:21 |
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| leinir | LokisSword: Well, that's a Joggler, which is a fairly powerful piece of hardware :) | 14:22 |
| LokisSword | Excuse my Linux noobness, meego is just a windowing manager / shell on a Linux base? | 14:22 |
| CosmoHill | newbyness | 14:23 |
| leinir | Not quite... | 14:23 |
| CosmoHill | n00b = moron | 14:23 |
| CosmoHill | newbie = someone who is new to something | 14:23 |
| leinir | It's more involved than that... | 14:23 |
| LokisSword | Liner, yuppie I've just got one, running unr on it with xbmc, etc. It's a nice bit of kit. | 14:24 |
| leinir | ehrm... i'm not a pool base ;) | 14:24 |
| LokisSword | Linir, sorry. | 14:24 |
| leinir | leinir, try tab completion ;) | 14:24 |
| CosmoHill | oh that's right, I have a pentium 4 >.< | 14:25 |
| LokisSword | Crappy, sorry on my phone on a tram.. excuse poor typing. | 14:25 |
| chakie_work | CosmoHill: first time i see that distinction between newbie and n00b | 14:26 |
| CosmoHill | really? | 14:26 |
| CosmoHill | it's one of my pet hates when people getting wrong | 14:26 |
| chakie_work | n00b is just a l33t version of newbie | 14:26 |
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| CosmoHill | http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20060823 | 14:27 |
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| leinir | chakie_work: not entirely - context has redefined the term | 14:29 |
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| chakie_work | context gives different meaning to many words | 14:30 |
| leinir | newbie is a mild derogative, whereas n00b is much more harsh :) | 14:30 |
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| chakie_work | i call myself a n00b when it comes to most computer related things | 14:30 |
| leinir | *nods* A saying i use a lot is that context is everything | 14:31 |
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| CosmoHill | tekojo: I bet for your birthday you want a ethernet cable that still has them plastic clips on | 14:36 |
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| tekojo | no, this time I was stupid enough to update fedora 13 to KDE 4.5 | 14:36 |
| tekojo | it seems to need a reboot | 14:37 |
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| CosmoHill | 570MB vs 70MB | 14:38 |
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| timeless | crypto? | 14:51 |
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| CosmoHill | someone in LFS is asking if he can charge for his distro | 15:14 |
| CosmoHill | I'm I correct in assuming that he can't charge for open source software (GPL) | 15:14 |
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| rwhitby | you can charge as much as you like for GPL software | 15:15 |
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| sharpneli | Yeah. There is nothing stopping from charging from a distro. | 15:15 |
| rwhitby | but you must give the source code for reasonable distribution costs only, so the price tends towards zero | 15:15 |
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| rwhitby | (as 1000 other people can then sell it for half your price, and so on) | 15:15 |
| CosmoHill | I shell tell him this | 15:15 |
| sharpneli | rwhitby: Only after you've sold it. So you can charge loads of cash for it. Though anyone who receives a copy from the original purchaser has also right to ask the sources. | 15:16 |
| rwhitby | right, you can charge $1M for the first copy, but must then give the source to the person who bought it. They can recoup the cost by selling 1M copies at $1 each. | 15:17 |
| sharpneli | Yep. | 15:17 |
| rwhitby | (or any other permutation as market forces allow) | 15:17 |
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| sharpneli | The best method is probably doing as redhat enterprise is doing. Sell support and access to the repo. | 15:18 |
| Macer | oracle killed opensolaris | 15:18 |
| Macer | :( | 15:18 |
| sharpneli | As you're only obligated to give the source, not nicely compilet packages. | 15:18 |
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| Macer | sharpneli: so the trick is to make the code so completely unfollowable that it can not be understood :) | 15:19 |
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| Macer | make 10,000 lines of equations just to make "Hello World" heh | 15:20 |
| th3hate | NGEN | 15:20 |
| Macer | follow a completely random structure and implement completely unrelated things into code files | 15:21 |
| CosmoHill | there is a programming language called "brainfuck" | 15:21 |
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| CosmoHill | i think it's like morse code with a compiler | 15:21 |
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| Macer | CosmoHill: hah | 15:21 |
| CosmoHill | one of the lecturers put it on the software requirment list at uni :/ | 15:22 |
| Macer | hahaha | 15:22 |
| smoku | CosmoHill, try Whitespace :) | 15:22 |
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| CosmoHill | C, C#, C++, F90, Brainfuck, AS3, Java | 15:23 |
| smoku | CosmoHill, language using SPACE, TAB, CR, LF to write commands. every other (printable) character is a comment :) | 15:23 |
| Tumi_ | whitespace is nice =) | 15:23 |
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| CosmoHill | I hope that doesn't come up as a random quote on the logs | 15:23 |
| timeless | brainfuck is fairly standard | 15:23 |
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| CosmoHill | smoku: oh dear lord | 15:24 |
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| CosmoHill | timeless: I think he only wants it to see the reaction of the first year students | 15:24 |
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| CosmoHill | "omg you can swear infront of a lecturer!" | 15:24 |
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| TermanaN900 | fairly standard? sure, as long as you like slashing your wrists | 15:25 |
| CosmoHill | BrainF**k, the language of emos! | 15:26 |
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| smoku | CosmoHill, actually I think learning bf is very usefull. it teaches you a certain way of thinking. kind of brute-force using limmited tools approach. | 15:27 |
| CosmoHill | i read that as boyfriend :/ | 15:27 |
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| epx | masochism :) | 15:28 |
| sx0n | smoku, i thought that is what java is for | 15:28 |
| smoku | sx0n, depends how you define limitted, isn't it? :) | 15:29 |
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| * rwhitby is enjoying the Whitespace LRM | 15:31 | |
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| sx0n | smoku, just joking, java is probably not so bad but bf is really a curiosity in my opinion. | 15:32 |
| * CosmoHill giggles | 15:33 | |
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| smoku | sx0n, for me this title is for scheme and erlang. being strange and popular - THAT | 15:34 |
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| smoku | THAT | 15:34 |
| smoku | THAT'S curious | 15:35 |
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| dcthang | hi everyone | 15:35 |
| smoku | (i will throw this keyboard out of the window someday) | 15:35 |
| dcthang | who knows how to resize meego image file ? | 15:35 |
| dcthang | since I install so many applications on meego, over 2.9Gb? | 15:35 |
| dcthang | no one?:) | 15:37 |
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| sx0n | dcthang, by making a smaller configuration file for it? | 15:39 |
| dcthang | @szOn: oh where | 15:40 |
| dcthang | I mean I mount it to one folder (raw file mount) | 15:41 |
| dcthang | and I install some apps there, it consumes lot of space | 15:41 |
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| dcthang | sx0n: sudo mount -o loop,offset=512 <image file> <directory> | 15:42 |
| dcthang | sx0n: Could you tell how to make the configuration file? | 15:42 |
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| sx0n | dcthang, i cant really say. unless you make image file by yourself. http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation_For_Beginners | 15:43 |
| sx0n | those ks files includes the configuration and apps that are included in image. | 15:44 |
| sx0n | but that's probably different than you are looking for. | 15:44 |
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| dcthang | sx0n: yes | 15:44 |
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| dcthang | cos I installed so many apps there, I do not want to make it from scratch and then have to install all and all again | 15:45 |
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| dcthang | or how to make the mounted folder used free space on the host? | 15:46 |
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| dcthang | for exp: host has 10GB free space, meanwhile the raw file has 2.9GB, so how mounted folder can use 10GB free space.. | 15:47 |
| dcthang | might be mount it to one folder, and then copy all of that folder to one new folder :P | 15:48 |
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| dcthang | sx0n: thanks for your help :) | 15:52 |
| sx0n | what help? :) | 15:52 |
| sx0n | i was just quietly thinking nfs mounting. | 15:53 |
| dcthang | just your answer :) | 15:54 |
| dcthang | one my solution is to copy it to other folder | 15:54 |
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| sx0n | yep | 15:57 |
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| CosmoHill | showoff | 15:59 |
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| whitewine | Could you tell me when is, you guess, the new Nokia meego smart phone comming here? :) | 16:17 |
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| slaine | whitewine: within the next 2 years | 16:17 |
| leinir | A wild guess: Announcement at the MeeGo Conference :) | 16:18 |
| whitewine | When will it be? | 16:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | November 15-17 | 16:18 |
| slaine | November | 16:18 |
| slaine | leinir: isn't there a nokia conference prior to that date ? | 16:18 |
| whitewine | That's great! | 16:19 |
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| slaine | whitewine: that's a guess though | 16:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | september afaik, but that's for intel | 16:19 |
| slaine | MohammadAG51: I know about the IDF, I'm talking about Nokia | 16:19 |
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| leinir | slaine: Hmm... yeah, i guess there is :) | 16:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | slaine, I know | 16:19 |
| slaine | I think there's a Nokia/Qt one though | 16:19 |
| leinir | Not sure that isn't a bit too close, though :) | 16:19 |
| slaine | yeah | 16:19 |
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| leinir | *nods* DevDays is coming up :) | 16:19 |
| slaine | wonder if we'll see something further on the MeeGo Tablets | 16:20 |
| slaine | drool | 16:20 |
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| DawnFoster | Quick reminder that the Community Office meeting starts in 40 minutes: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings | 16:21 |
| chakie_work | leinir: going this year? | 16:21 |
| CosmoHill | thanks DawnFoster, no idea there was a meeting | 16:21 |
| DawnFoster | Anyone who wants to attend is welcome to join | 16:21 |
| leinir | chakie_work: devdays? hopefully, but it depends... | 16:21 |
| DawnFoster | CosmoHill: Hmm, I posted it to the mailing list on Friday | 16:22 |
| CosmoHill | I'm only in the channel | 16:22 |
| leinir | Primarily on sponsorship, really :) i'm hoping to pull off a repeat of last year's performance :) | 16:22 |
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| whitewine | One more question. Do you think Nokia+Intel+MeeGo can beat Android and iOS? | 16:26 |
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| ml-mobile | iOS is inherently limited | 16:26 |
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| whitewine | I'm talking 'bout populatity and sales. | 16:27 |
| epx | depends on Nokia :) | 16:27 |
| ml-mobile | and if any other vendors pick it up | 16:27 |
| epx | in technical terms I prefer maemo 5 already | 16:27 |
| epx | so meego should be better (and more prefer-able?) | 16:28 |
| ml-mobile | meego should be equally as functional technically as Maemo 5, and being more open should be better | 16:29 |
| Termana | whitewine, your asking a question no one knows | 16:29 |
| Termana | you're* | 16:29 |
| Termana | knows the answer to* | 16:29 |
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| whitewine | Yeah, but we can try to imagine or just guess... | 16:30 |
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| TSCHAKeee | funny thing about imagination | 16:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | you can IMAGINE anything | 16:32 |
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| TSCHAKeee | i could imagine that I shit gold bricks, which keeps my bitchez happy and willing to service me...somehow I don't think it would work out that way, though.... :P | 16:33 |
| GAN900 | OK, who's going to point lazy me to the clarification about the hotel booking/payment setup if sponsorship is involved? | 16:33 |
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| CosmoHill | GAN900: i think lbt said it was cheaper for him to sort out his own travel and accomidation | 16:35 |
| GAN900 | CosmoHill, yes, but then is it paid if you're actually sponsored? | 16:36 |
| whitewine | TSCHAKeee, there are really unreal thing and may-be-possible things. That's the difference. | 16:36 |
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| lbt | yeah... was kinda surprised at how much cheaper | 16:37 |
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| GAN900 | Apparently the lf has really terrible rate negotiators. | 16:37 |
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| GAN900 | Or they're serving breakfast on the good silver. | 16:37 |
| * lbt saw rooms at ~20% of the lf rate... ie 150 for flights+rooms for 3 nights... flight alone is 80... £70 for 3 nights | 16:39 | |
| whitewine | TSCHAKeee, I'm talking 'bout predictions. | 16:39 |
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| TSCHAKeee | boy, when you aspergers types don't get a joke, you don't get it spectacularly | 16:40 |
| X-Fade | lbt: But probably not 4 star hotels? | 16:40 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 16:40 |
| TSCHAKeee | :) | 16:40 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: same hotel | 16:40 |
| X-Fade | lbt: heh, nice. | 16:40 |
| leinir | Now... what will the internet connection be like at the conference, anybody know? | 16:40 |
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| X-Fade | leinir: Don't expect too much. | 16:40 |
| lbt | 'cept nokia are probably paying for me so I probably can't book it... | 16:41 |
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| leinir | X-Fade: Well, pondering for presentations :) | 16:41 |
| X-Fade | leinir: Don't. Only offline ;) | 16:41 |
| e-yes | btw. important question: good SIP CLIENT FOR LINUX? | 16:42 |
| leinir | i know the wireless is going to be dodgy, it always is, but i'm wondering if there'll be a wire for the presenter, for live demos of online services :) | 16:42 |
| * lbt plans on hauling a server up onstage for his demo... | 16:42 | |
| Termana | Remember everyone | 16:42 |
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| Termana | Record with your n900s - just in case any idiots that are suppose to be officially recording dont do it right | 16:43 |
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| whitewine | TSCHAKeee, I'm not a boy :) | 16:43 |
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| leinir | Put shortly: i would like to show a live end-to-end demo type thing, which would require online access. i can do it without (and will of course make plans for such an eventuality), but am just wondering if i can expect some level of service :) | 16:43 |
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| achipa | Termana: all too true, there were a 100 cams on the last summit and then just a handful of videos popped up afterwards | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | well, that was partly because the recording crew were morons.. | 16:47 |
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| GAN900 | Whoever hired that team should be killed. | 16:48 |
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| Termana | Yeah well, lets hope it works out better for the MeeGo conference. | 16:49 |
| Termana | Otherwise I'm going to do some killing myself | 16:49 |
| CosmoHill | 11 Minutes until the Community Office meeting | 16:49 |
| * leinir thinks the team which handled akademy this year should be hired to handle the meego conf... | 16:49 | |
| leinir | That was spectacularly efficient - less than a week and all the videos were online | 16:49 |
| lbt | leinir: tell Quim/Dawn | 16:49 |
| DawnFoster | leinir - can you send me the name of the vendor - or better yet post it on the conference wiki page? | 16:50 |
| leinir | DawnFoster: what i just said ;) The main guy's name here on IRC is seaLne - i do not know if they would actually be interested, but if so, it would b well worth it. Very capable people :) | 16:50 |
| DawnFoster | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010 | 16:51 |
| leinir | It's not a vendor as such, they were community people | 16:51 |
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| leinir | ehrm... the wiki is being weird on me | 16:54 |
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| leinir | i click login, i'm shown my user page... i go back to the wiki, i'm apparently still not logged in | 16:54 |
| DawnFoster | don | 16:54 |
| DawnFoster | don't click the log in button at the top | 16:54 |
| DawnFoster | it should say log in / log out at the top | 16:54 |
| DawnFoster | click log out | 16:54 |
| DawnFoster | then don't log in yet | 16:54 |
| DawnFoster | in the middle of the page, click the "log in again" link | 16:55 |
| vgrade | arjan, did you seen the GMA500 MeeGo videos? | 16:55 |
| DawnFoster | that will take you to the drupal login page | 16:55 |
| DawnFoster | it's a bug | 16:55 |
| DawnFoster | we're working on it | 16:55 |
| CosmoHill | vgrade: iirc the Nokia Notebook 3G has a GMA500 | 16:55 |
| leinir | Right, there we go | 16:56 |
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| CosmoHill | th3hate51: almost there | 17:07 |
| DawnFoster | th3hate51: oopsie | 17:08 |
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| thp | is there a way to get ssh/root access in the pre-built n900 meego handset images? | 17:22 |
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| CosmoHill | thp: could try typing "which sshd" | 17:23 |
| vilvo | thp: timoph has worked on that to automate test execution | 17:23 |
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| vilvo | said he got it working about 1.5hrs ago | 17:23 |
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| Stskeeps | thp: 192.168.2.14 (host)/192.168.2.15 (device), replug cable if it doesnt work at first | 17:24 |
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| GAN900 | Wish we could work out the kinks and confusion for registration BEFORE openning it up. | 17:25 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, wifi networking still not running? | 17:25 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: where's the fun in that? | 17:26 |
| thp | Stskeeps: thanks, will try it out. is this documented on the wiki? if not, where should i add it? | 17:26 |
| timeless_mbp | i mean, sure we did that @maemo for voting | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: fixed in next release | 17:26 |
| timeless_mbp | by having a sample vote | 17:26 |
| timeless_mbp | but why learn from positive experiences? | 17:26 |
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| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, where's the fun in any of it? :P | 17:27 |
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| CosmoHill | is it just me or is the meeting getting a little messy atm | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | is meego supposed to be fun? | 17:28 |
| GAN900 | Apparently not. | 17:28 |
| TSCHAKeee | not when there is money involved somewhere. | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | CosmoHill: the meetings i've seen work about the same as this one | 17:28 |
| GAN900 | CosmoHill, clearly it's down to you to kick ass and impose structure. | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | they're actually not too bad when you consider the possibilities and scale | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | and they're much better than TSG | 17:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | do wikis have something against useful login behavior? | 17:30 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm @page 103 and i click log in, so obviously when i'm done, i want to go to page 1 | 17:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | btw, what's a "cab" http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010 | 17:32 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, \o/ | 17:37 |
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| leinir | There, session proposal submitted :) | 17:38 |
| CosmoHill | OBU? | 17:39 |
| CosmoHill | *OSU | 17:39 |
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| vgrade | OWU | 17:40 |
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| * timeless_mbp pokes someone | 17:46 | |
| timeless_mbp | what the heck is a cab? | 17:46 |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade? | 17:46 |
| CosmoHill | you mean a taxi? | 17:46 |
| timeless_mbp | i doubt it | 17:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 17:46 |
| CosmoHill | .cab file? | 17:46 |
| timeless_mbp | > ▪Presidents Terrace for Keynotes Day 1 sits 1200 theatre style or 580 cab- suggesting theatre style for the keynotes | 17:46 |
| timeless_mbp | from http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010 | 17:47 |
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| DawnFoster | around tables | 17:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | ?? | 17:47 |
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| Termana | Like the emmys? | 17:50 |
| timeless_mbp | is it an abbreviation? if so, for what? (i don't need an answer immediately, but I can't figure it out using google...) | 17:50 |
| Termana | And the award for great openness acter is... | 17:50 |
| Termana | actor* | 17:50 |
| Termana | greatest* | 17:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | should i tell maclaver that he misspelled "Building" in Guides/Tutorials Page? :) | 17:52 |
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| Termana | :D | 17:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm, or he used an incredibly lame font | 17:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | either way. shame. | 17:53 |
| timeless_mbp | using a font where Ili all look the same... | 17:53 |
| Termana | I'm sure its just a general outline anyway, rather than specifically deciding on the font | 17:54 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not sure about that | 17:54 |
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| Termana | Or at least, made full-page size, it probably wont look so bad | 17:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | typically one selects the font and layout at the same time | 17:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | not doing that does not yield good results | 17:56 |
| Termana | timeless_mbp, comment on the font now? | 17:57 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm still trying to figure out how to fix "cab-", it means "cabaret style seating" | 17:57 |
| timeless_mbp | which is not really "around tables" it's… strange | 17:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://www.lmc.ac.uk/home/hiring/seating.php | 17:58 |
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| DawnFoster | timeless: it's around tables but one one side of the table so people can still watch the presentation | 17:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | DawnFoster: yeah, thanks. sp3000 helped me fill out that bit | 17:59 |
| timeless_mbp | "around tables" does *not* give people the right idea | 18:00 |
| sp3000 | it's ...semi-cabaret! :D | 18:00 |
| timeless_mbp | and given that cabaret is french and a fairly outdated thing, i think it's an awful choice of a word for use on an internationally oriented page | 18:00 |
| * timeless_mbp is trying to figure out how to fix the page | 18:00 | |
| lcuk | decide on seating now and fix page? | 18:01 |
| sp3000 | dunno, it seems like plausibly a standard enough jargon | 18:01 |
| timeless_mbp | it's useful jargon for people who arrange theaters | 18:01 |
| timeless_mbp | it isn't useful jargon for the people who read the page | 18:01 |
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| Khertan_ | Hi ! | 18:02 |
| Khertan_ | ... does python and pyqt/pyside is available for handset ux ? | 18:02 |
| timeless_mbp | so… i'm tempted to just include a link to http://www.lmc.ac.uk/home/hiring/seating.php in a footnote section under "Jargon" ... | 18:02 |
| timeless_mbp | (for that page) | 18:02 |
| Khertan_ | i didn't found any information about it currently | 18:02 |
| sp3000 | right but that's to say that explaining it should be fine, replacing it could just end up more confusing | 18:02 |
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| sp3000 | mwhahah. | 18:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm, that wasn't safari | 18:05 |
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| X-Fade | So, continue here. | 18:08 |
| lbt | *nod* | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: btw, one thing that i notice often - the fact that each feature/requirement for meego has to have assigned maintainer/QA and that is the way to get something 'supported' in meego (by taking responsibility for it), isn't really written out anywhere - so many people perceive the project as being rigid when it's actually quite open if you want to grab a shovel.. | 18:08 |
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| lcuk | "<DawnFoster> the production obs is already overloaded" | 18:08 |
| lcuk | already? | 18:08 |
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| lcuk | you only have 2 live instances? | 18:09 |
| X-Fade | Hmm that may be true at times, but I think it copes. | 18:09 |
| achipa | just wondering, what's the url for the submitted conference proposals ? | 18:09 |
| sp3000 | Stskeeps: does it differ in practice from the tried and true you touch it you own it model? :) | 18:09 |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings#Backlog_of_Proposed_Topics | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | achipa: click 'program' | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | sp3000: yes - you have to maintain and keep it maintained | 18:09 |
| sp3000 | ...once you touch it? | 18:09 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, can the obs be given some extra grunt to ease up the bottlenecks? in an adhoc fashion, ie just add new machines to the running cluster? | 18:10 |
| sp3000 | ...and if you don't we'll ...uh, be very cross with you? | 18:10 |
| lbt | lcuk: mmm yes and no | 18:10 |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: Yes, that is easy. | 18:10 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: yeah, I've been trying to work with people to understand that in an open source project, you really do need to jump in with a shovel. | 18:10 |
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| X-Fade | Well, adding workers is. | 18:10 |
| lcuk | hehe | 18:10 |
| achipa | Stskeeps: got it, need some coffee | 18:10 |
| lbt | if you have a spare 4 men to lift it into the datacentre it's easy... | 18:10 |
| lbt | or 3 women | 18:11 |
| * lbt eyes DawnFoster | 18:11 | |
| DawnFoster | we've been adding servers to the OBS - we have more than 2 build targets and daily builds. It is more system intensive than it sounds | 18:11 |
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| DawnFoster | lbt: :) | 18:11 |
| lcuk | 3 women? ohhh yes someone needs to hold the door | 18:11 |
| b-man` | rofl | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | DawnFoster: Pfffff, a nice showcase for Intel :D | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | DawnFoster: See it as a marketing opportunity :) | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: well, that and the formal process.. someone asked me 'how do we get ARM enabled for IVI repositories', which obviously requires people to take responsibility for that in terms of porting, resources, etc.. | 18:12 |
| lbt | X-Fade: I'm not sure they need to be told that ;) | 18:12 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, I know all about build servers and how hard they work | 18:12 |
| lcuk | amazing how much they manage and how flexible they can be | 18:12 |
| CosmoHill | I saw a ATX tower with 5 Q9400 processors in it | 18:12 |
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| lbt | damn | 18:13 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: we definitely need more documentation around the process for contributing code, packaging, etc. | 18:14 |
| CosmoHill | it was 5 ITX motherboards with a Q9400, 2GB of RAM, a 2.5" hdd and a DVD drive each | 18:14 |
| CosmoHill | water cooled with one 1000W PSU powering all of them | 18:14 |
| lbt | I'd like the community OBS to be a low-barrier-to-entry proving ground | 18:14 |
| lcuk | ++ | 18:15 |
| X-Fade | fwiw, we can already try a x86 target on the beta one. | 18:15 |
| lbt | yeah... now the -dev list got to that conclusion | 18:15 |
| lbt | or at least stopped after Graham Cobb's great post | 18:16 |
| X-Fade | Anyone want to create a nice prjconf? :) | 18:16 |
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| X-Fade | I can import all sources for a snapshot if needed. | 18:17 |
| * Stskeeps still maintains the problem is not the core, but what application and community SDK will default to. | 18:17 | |
| Stskeeps | er, application SDK and community OBS. | 18:17 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yeah... there's more to it than "build your own" | 18:17 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: As long as they can build against it, it is fine? | 18:18 |
| * lbt sees a 60 minute round table coming on in Nov | 18:18 | |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: if the default apps people make for meego only work on atom.. | 18:18 |
| * lcuk ponders a post: Jedis, OBS and building your own lightsabre | 18:18 | |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/FAQ | 18:18 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Sure, only OSS can be supported then. | 18:19 |
| lbt | Jaffa: are you sure the deposit is non-refundable? | 18:19 |
| Venemo | I have a question that has been unanswered for months | 18:19 |
| Venemo | Will MeeGo handset have anything like Fremantle's desktop widgets? | 18:19 |
| X-Fade | Anyway, need to go now. bbl. | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: i've seen something like that mentioned in test cases on wiki.meego.com, so i guess so | 18:19 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: The website is pretty conclusive about it. | 18:20 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Let me dig it out as I'm resending an email about it | 18:21 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: thanks | 18:21 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: just asking because there hasn't been anything like that in the demos I've seen so far | 18:21 |
| lbt | "If a room is cancelled within 72 hours of arrival, all prepayments will be refunded except for the first night deposit." | 18:22 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: the other question is, where is the Tablet UX seen in several videos? | 18:23 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: dunno | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: are we motivating the current set of people listed under governance to be proposing talks as well btw? I'm not seeing many high profile presentations | 18:23 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: it is not even mentioned in the gitorious page | 18:23 |
| DawnFoster | stskeeps: I've been working on it - they still have a week (procrastinators!) | 18:24 |
| Macer | so. how is n900 meego going? | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: good, armv7 image is looking really nice and wifi is working properly now | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: :nod: i bet a slashdotting like effect on conference site nearby deadline ;) | 18:25 |
| Macer | you have a hw page that shows what is working so far? | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: follow the test reports is the best way | 18:26 |
| Macer | im curious about the gtalk and skype video chatting | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | and eventually the feature tracking | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | gtalk is jabber | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | skype, not our context | 18:26 |
| Macer | heh. yeah i suppose | 18:26 |
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| lcuk | hmmm wifi working? fully configurable? | 18:27 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: well. figured telepathy would find its way to meego | 18:27 |
| ScottishDuck | is it beta day tomorrow? | 18:27 |
| DawnFoster | stskeeps: everyone waits to the last minute :) | 18:27 |
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| Termana | ScottishDuck, Beta Day? Sounds as bad as Patch Tuesday | 18:28 |
| Termana | :P | 18:28 |
| ScottishDuck | :) | 18:28 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: where can i see the test reports? | 18:28 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: where are these test reports you mentioned? | 18:28 |
| Macer | that was weird Venemo | 18:28 |
| Macer | heh | 18:28 |
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| tripzero | how do i make the mouse appear? | 18:31 |
| tripzero | on the handset images? | 18:31 |
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| luist | hello... how do i install a meego img in virtual box? | 19:30 |
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| Venemo | Macer: yep, but still no answer | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | sorry, i had to go eat - i do require nutrition for hacking | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:37 |
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| ali1234 | so i got my obs working, tried to compile meego inside it | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | Macer, Venemo: http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/HandsetTestReport - this is done on a work-day basis, some against weekly, etc - so percentages swing a lot | 19:38 |
| ali1234 | that all seems ok, but the actual source won't compile | 19:38 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: thanks :) | 19:38 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: what kind of build host and what kind of error | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 19:38 |
| ali1234 | the build host is an OBS appliance | 19:38 |
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| qgil | hi, has some had a look at Canonical's UTouch framework? What is it? What does it mean for app developers? What is the relation with GTK+ Qt or X or...? | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, no, first i've heard of it | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | let me go look | 19:39 |
| qgil | https://edge.launchpad.net/canonical-multitouch | 19:39 |
| ali1234 | building against fedora 12 and 13 on an AMD CPU | 19:39 |
| ali1234 | and the errors are all stuff like "error: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:" | 19:39 |
| ali1234 | or patches which fail to apply to the source tarball | 19:39 |
| qgil | http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/455 | 19:40 |
| ali1234 | basically trivial stuff that you would expect to work properly | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: pastebin a build log please | 19:40 |
| ali1234 | i tried both 1.0.1 and the daily srpms, and they fail in different ways | 19:40 |
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| ali1234 | http://pastebin.com/ZSfyLjB7 | 19:40 |
| ali1234 | so far all i successfully built is binutils | 19:41 |
| ali1234 | i need mpc-devel for gcc, and it won't go | 19:41 |
| ali1234 | http://pastebin.com/nJfcnVAi | 19:42 |
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| ali1234 | first paste was mpc failing on fedora 13, second was mpc failing on fedora 12 | 19:42 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: as I see, none of the test reports are about the N900, or am I missing something? | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: hmm? scroll down to ARM N900? | 19:42 |
| ali1234 | process i followed to even get this far: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Ali1234 | 19:43 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: aaah, sorry... | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: initial impression is that they do gestures at a weird place in the platform stack, but it seems independent from gtk+, more related to x (and not a replacement for what xorg is bringing) | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | not tied to a certain toolkit at first glance, but deeper analysis needed | 19:44 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: as I can see from here (http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/HandsetTestReport/N900Acceptance20100817), it is full of "fail"s :( | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: it's development images, fails will happen :) | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | and they only help to get things fixed | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | the problem is when there's fails we don't find | 19:46 |
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| luist | how do i create a virtual machine with a meego image? im using mac and virtualbox | 19:46 |
| tripzero | luist, you need to either make a livecd image, mount and boot or dd it to your vbox drive | 19:47 |
| luist | tripzero: any tut? | 19:47 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: yes, I know what software testing is for | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: impressive progress | 19:47 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: really? but it doesn't even work :) | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: at least it doesn't break in the setup phase :) | 19:47 |
| tripzero | you can dd it by loading some livecd like ubuntu and doing an cat someimage.img | ssh sever "cat > dd of=/dev/something" | 19:48 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: well yeah i had that problem, that's why i decided to use the appliance image | 19:48 |
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| tripzero | err, "cat | dd of=/dev/foo" | 19:48 |
| luist | tripzero: any easier way? | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: +1 for actually taking on the challenge | 19:48 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: what I meant is that I was a little too optimistic :) | 19:48 |
| luist | tripzero: i dont have any livecd image around here | 19:48 |
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| tripzero | luist, those are the only two ways i can think of | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: what prjconf are you using? | 19:49 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: i'm not | 19:49 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: i created a blank project through the web UI. my OBS is linked to opensuse | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: ah, first problem then | 19:49 |
| luist | tripzero: whats the other way... without using a livecd image | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: and you're building meego, right | 19:50 |
| ali1234 | meego? | 19:50 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: thanks and looks like my own personal summary in a rush :) | 19:50 |
| tripzero | luist, the other way is to use mic-image-creator to make a livecd instead of a .img | 19:50 |
| ali1234 | i grabbed daily source rpms from mirror.kernel.org and uploaded them into the new, blank, project | 19:50 |
| ali1234 | from meego daily that is | 19:51 |
| luist | tripzero: hm.... sounds better | 19:51 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: ok, so, your binaries are currently building against fedora 13 and hence they might produce different files output than the packaging expects | 19:52 |
| ali1234 | my actual prjconf looks like this: http://pastebin.com/hRcVZjx2 | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | that's prj, not prjconf | 19:52 |
| VDVsx | humm, is there any know issues with the forum login ? got access denied when I click in the login link | 19:52 |
| ali1234 | oh ok | 19:52 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: i'm really wondering if the best way is to build on a ssse3 box, adjust your prjconf to be non-ssse3 and ask it to rebuild | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | if you do it in 2 stages and copy binaries, it should be free of ssse3 | 19:53 |
| ali1234 | well the only ssse3 box i have is my netbook | 19:53 |
| ali1234 | it will takes weeks to do it running the OBS in a VM | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | http://meego.gitorious.org/~stskeeps/meego-developer-tools/stskeepss-obs-project-config/blobs/master/Trunk is a recent prjconf | 19:54 |
| ali1234 | i tried to read out prjconf and i guess mine is blank? | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, then it's == the fedora one | 19:55 |
| * Stskeeps ponders | 19:55 | |
| Stskeeps | you might want to ask dl9pf how it was done for meego | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | i guess it is technically a similar issue | 19:55 |
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| ali1234 | since the only things i need to compile against fedora are binutils and gcc, can i just fix those so they compile, and then rebuild them in the second stage as "vanilla?" | 19:56 |
| ali1234 | also one time i got as far as attempting to compile glibc, and it was using -march=core2 -mtune=atom cflags. is it hardcoded in the spec file or something? | 19:56 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: yeah, easy to change | 19:56 |
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| ali1234 | if so, how many other spec files have it hard coded? | 19:57 |
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| Stskeeps | i think that and the prjconf | 19:57 |
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| luist | tripzero: ok i got this E: Couldn't find package python-pykickstart when running mic-check-alldeps | 19:59 |
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| ali1234 | Stskeeps: i uploaded the prjconf and now i can't even build binutils because everything depends on a bunch of meego-only rpms now | 20:05 |
| ali1234 | need to look at this properly, but it's dinner time | 20:05 |
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| Tili_ | CosmoHill: me too | 20:37 |
| Tili_ | soon will get rid of mac | 20:37 |
| CosmoHill | for some reason gcc is completely ignoring LD_LIBRARY_PATH | 20:37 |
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| * CosmoHill is learning GMP | 20:45 | |
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| CosmoHill | http://linuxfromscratch.pastebin.com/H5bee2N3 :( | 20:48 |
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| ali1234 | -lgmp ? | 20:52 |
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| CosmoHill | nope | 20:53 |
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| * CosmoHill recompiles gmp so he can run the test that he skipped first time >.> | 20:55 | |
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| ali1234 | remote gateway 504 timeout.... you gotta be kidding me | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | 504 \o/ | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | this means it is tea time! | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:01 |
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| ali1234 | OBS really could use some better error reporting when this happens | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | tell me about it. | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | i spent half an hour trying to figure out what was going on this morning | 21:04 |
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| DuckBoot | Does a meego image with modem-drivers and UX exists for the N900? | 21:07 |
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| csd_ | hi - I'm trying to figure out how the different audio components that Meego is using fit together. Anyone online that knows the audio part? I'm trying to walk through which components would be used to e.g. make a voice call. | 21:08 |
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| csd_ | From what I can see the audio stack for voip goes from telepathy->farsight->gstreamer->pulseaudio->alsa->HW | 21:09 |
| ali1234 | hmm i'm confused | 21:09 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: welcome to the club | 21:10 |
| ali1234 | i fixed mpc, now it is compiling gcc... but it also now says binutils and mpc are blocked by lib-gomp | 21:10 |
| ali1234 | but it already compiled them... what? | 21:10 |
| CosmoHill | this sounds like something i should know >.< | 21:10 |
| csd_ | So audio coming in from a microphone would go up through HW->alsa->pulseaudio, and then what? Out the net via pulseaudio? Or futher up to gstreamer->farsight and then out the net? | 21:10 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: you compiling the properly or the lazy way? | 21:10 |
| ali1234 | gcc failed to compile anyway | 21:11 |
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| ali1234 | what do you mean? i am using OBS | 21:11 |
| CosmoHill | ah | 21:11 |
| ali1234 | HMM | 21:11 |
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| CosmoHill | one way to compile gcc is to unpack gmp. mpfr and mpc in the gcc source directory | 21:11 |
| ali1234 | so i fixed mpc by adding the extra files to the spec | 21:11 |
| ali1234 | but now the extra file in mpc conflicts with a file from gcc | 21:12 |
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| ali1234 | is there a way to tell rpm to just ignore the extra files instead of adding them to the rpm? | 21:13 |
| CosmoHill | erm | 21:13 |
| CosmoHill | you might be able to delete them from the rpm package | 21:13 |
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| CosmoHill | let me see what i haev | 21:13 |
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| ali1234 | i dont wanna hack things around any more than i have to | 21:13 |
| ali1234 | i'd rather just tell it to ignore them in the spec | 21:14 |
| CosmoHill | http://download.bluesquarelinux.co.uk/felix/SPECS/rpm.spec | 21:14 |
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| CosmoHill | under %install | 21:14 |
| ali1234 | ah cool thanks | 21:14 |
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| CosmoHill | ali1234: did you get what I just said about %install? | 21:24 |
| ali1234 | yes, thanks | 21:24 |
| CosmoHill | you're not the only person who makes RPMs :p | 21:25 |
| CosmoHill | but I'm sure yours are better than mine | 21:25 |
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| luist | tripzero: hey i got a ubuntu livecd here.. can u help me with the img now? | 21:27 |
| ali1234 | CosmoHill: i never made a rpm before | 21:28 |
| CosmoHill | exerlent | 21:29 |
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| Ux4ever | hello all | 21:31 |
| CosmoHill | hey | 21:31 |
| Ux4ever | I made some test for getting meego on A9, I'a young padawan | 21:32 |
| Ux4ever | I start on _BuBu work | 21:32 |
| CosmoHill | so what's how you spell it | 21:33 |
| Ux4ever | I don't have a best english | 21:34 |
| CosmoHill | I meant padawan | 21:35 |
| Jaffa | :) | 21:35 |
| Ux4ever | ok | 21:35 |
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| CosmoHill | anyone want to take a whack at gmp? | 21:46 |
| CosmoHill | http://linuxfromscratch.pastebin.com/EsHdGK5d | 21:47 |
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| luist | i have a VM running ubuntu livecd.. can anyone help me to install meego img to this VM from here? im using virtualbox | 21:50 |
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| CosmoHill | meego doesn't work on virtual machines | 21:52 |
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| CosmoHill | the SDK might but I doubt it | 21:52 |
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| tripzero | luist, install ssh-server on your ubuntus | 21:56 |
| tripzero | and from your desktop with the img on it: | 21:56 |
| tripzero | cat theimage.img | ssh yourubuntulivesystem "cat | dd of=/dev/yourvboxhdd" | 21:57 |
| tripzero | that should be it | 21:57 |
| CosmoHill | ooo | 21:57 |
| luist | tripzero: instead of myubuntulivesystem i put user@IP ? | 21:58 |
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| luist | tripzero: how do i know whats myvboxhdd? | 22:00 |
| tripzero | fdisk -l | 22:00 |
| luist | tripzero: returns nothing | 22:01 |
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| luist | tripzero: any ideas? | 22:10 |
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| CosmoHill | trigger:Desktop nate$ g++ -I/opt/include -lgmp problem3.cc | 22:26 |
| CosmoHill | ld: library not found for -lgmp | 22:26 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: you where right, I needed -lgmp | 22:26 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, heh you still stuck needing gmp stuff? | 22:33 |
| CosmoHill | my mac is a douche | 22:33 |
| * lcuk thought of you a few days ago actually | 22:33 | |
| CosmoHill | and yes | 22:33 |
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| CosmoHill | i knew i needed gmp but I've only started using it | 22:34 |
| lcuk | ahh | 22:35 |
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| ali1234 | i like how you can watch the build log in real time on OBS | 22:35 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: cool | 22:35 |
| lcuk | I noticed the osso-calculator-engine had arbritrary precision stuff :P | 22:35 |
| ali1234 | but i don't like how my OBS goes down whenever the opensuse public one goes down | 22:35 |
| * lcuk got too many r's in there | 22:36 | |
| CosmoHill | in my code? | 22:37 |
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| Ux4ever | Who's know where "mettop theme" reference is stored ? | 22:39 |
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| Ux4ever | my current test with my Archos 9 try to find it and my screen flick | 22:39 |
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| ali1234 | yeah, so, i finally got mpc to compile properly | 22:42 |
| ali1234 | but gcc still has patches that won't apply to the source | 22:42 |
| ali1234 | and it is a different one now | 22:42 |
| ali1234 | http://pastebin.com/FtR61hA0 | 22:43 |
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| CosmoHill | ali1234: I believe the key is gmp | 22:44 |
| CosmoHill | mpfr and probably mpc will use the build instructions that gmp used | 22:45 |
| CosmoHill | and gmp is a little bugger as it makes it's own up | 22:45 |
| ali1234 | read the paste | 22:45 |
| ali1234 | the rpm has patches that don't apply to the source inside therpm | 22:45 |
| CosmoHill | it;s how I suddenly ended up with 64bit in a 32bit userspace | 22:45 |
| CosmoHill | how do you apply the patch? | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: i think you're using rpmbuild defaults from fedora which isn't same as meego ones.. | 22:46 |
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| ali1234 | how would that affect the application of patches? | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | setting of fuzz | 22:46 |
| CosmoHill | you can use %patch0 -p1 but i found for some it doesn't work | 22:47 |
| CosmoHill | so i end up using patch -np1 %{SOURCE0} | 22:47 |
| CosmoHill | s/SOURCE/PATCH/ | 22:47 |
| infobot | CosmoHill meant: so i end up using patch -np1 %{PATCH0} | 22:47 |
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| ali1234 | hmm so patch options are controlled by the project conf, not the spec file? | 22:51 |
| ali1234 | that seems a little bit odd | 22:51 |
| ali1234 | why not put it in the spec? | 22:51 |
| CosmoHill | try /usr/lib/rpm/macro and see what %patch is | 22:51 |
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| ali1234 | i don't know how to get inside the chroot to check it | 22:52 |
| ali1234 | i'll try to build locally | 22:53 |
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| CosmoHill | patch -Np1 -i %{PATCH0} | 22:53 |
| CosmoHill | I have that in one of my spec files | 22:53 |
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| CosmoHill | %patch0 -p1 << would be the same, in theory | 22:55 |
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| vgrade | ali1234, my gcc build log from maemo OBS against modified prjconf with atom and ssse3 flags remove | 22:57 |
| vgrade | http://pastebin.com/rZ8Qxtj6 | 22:57 |
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| ali1234 | you used 1.0 | 22:58 |
| ali1234 | i am using trunk | 22:58 |
| ali1234 | i never tried 1.0... it's so old | 22:58 |
| arjan | CosmoHill: in meego at least we have a strong preference for -p1 patches | 22:58 |
| vgrade | but works :) | 22:58 |
| ali1234 | maybe it will work better if it diverged less from fedora at that point | 22:58 |
| ali1234 | then i can bootstrap trunk against it | 22:58 |
| arjan | (just for consistency reasons.. we need to pick one as prefered and -p1 made sense) | 22:59 |
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| CosmoHill | all the patche I've applied have been -p1 | 22:59 |
| CosmoHill | i have no idea what it means tho :/ | 22:59 |
| vgrade | arjan, did you see the GMA500 MeeGo video's | 22:59 |
| CosmoHill | something to do with the parent directory? | 22:59 |
| ali1234 | CosmoHill: it means strip the first directory off file paths when looking for the files to patch | 23:00 |
| CosmoHill | thanks | 23:00 |
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| CosmoHill | ali1234: I'd say you're welcome to look at my spec files but i don't know if that will help or make things worse :/ | 23:00 |
| ali1234 | so when i build against fedora it wants to patch like: /usr/bin/patch -s -p0 -b --suffix .hack~ --fuzz=0 | 23:00 |
| arjan | vgrade: I've seen some of them. | 23:00 |
| arjan | vgrade: surprised it works that well... we've had nothing but problems with it | 23:01 |
| vgrade | http://www.youtube.com/user/vgrade100 | 23:01 |
| arjan | to the point that we couldn't get it to reliably work. | 23:01 |
| ali1234 | but seriously who thought it would be a good idea if srpms just relied on whatever the operating system defined way of patching was? | 23:01 |
| vgrade | netbook, handset and ivi, the full set! | 23:01 |
| lcuk | for now | 23:02 |
| ali1234 | might as well give meego 1.0 a shot, i doubt it will make a difference though | 23:02 |
| vgrade | arjan, dead end for now as the EMGD drivers have been pulled from repo.meego | 23:03 |
| arjan | they were on there? | 23:04 |
| arjan | yikes | 23:04 |
| arjan | we weren't allowed to distribute them | 23:04 |
| arjan | surprise they were on that | 23:04 |
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| vgrade | :) | 23:04 |
| arjan | (anyway if you got them... you don't have a license to redistribute either I'm sure ;-) | 23:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | funny thing, by the time the GMA500 woes are solved, we'll have whole new chipsets to worry about :P | 23:05 |
| arjan | can't say I like the situation | 23:05 |
| arjan | but it is what it is | 23:05 |
| arjan | TSCHAK: GMA500 seems best solved with a really big sledgehammer to turn the silicon back into sand ;-( | 23:05 |
| vgrade | There was some talk about the GMA600 | 23:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | ................starting to....agree..... | 23:06 |
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| arjan | vgrade: which sadly is a ratehr different beast | 23:06 |
| arjan | incompatible to gma500 | 23:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | does it suck less? | 23:06 |
| arjan | it'll suck differently | 23:06 |
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| Stskeeps | the new emgd drivers seemed very like the pvr-bin ones at least, at least they shared the imgtec/pvr typical libs we also have on n900 | 23:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | *STIMPY-VOICE* JOOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY | 23:06 |
| lcuk | ok, like a superhero | 23:06 |
| vgrade | so will EMGD ever see the light of day on MeeGo | 23:06 |
| lcuk | GMA500 was written to do something | 23:07 |
| lcuk | what is its special skill? | 23:07 |
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| TSCHAKeee | it's low power | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: best we can hope for is it being provided through same means IEGD used to be | 23:07 |
| lcuk | what can you do with it that works well? | 23:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | um | 23:07 |
| ali1234 | lcuk it's powervr same as in n900 | 23:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | yeah | 23:07 |
| ali1234 | licensed and rebranded | 23:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | still though.. um. | 23:07 |
| lcuk | of course ali1234 - i am asking specific question | 23:07 |
| lcuk | the chip was not put in so the collective mass of developers could facepalm at it | 23:08 |
| lcuk | so whats it good at | 23:08 |
| ali1234 | it's good at 3d acceleration on mobile devices | 23:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | whilst having relatively low power consumption | 23:08 |
| lcuk | but everyone who tries to use it for that fails - is it the mechanism of 3d being used? or the texture sizes or what? | 23:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | although nowhere near ARM's numbers yet | 23:08 |
| lcuk | does it do any 3d rendering well? | 23:09 |
| lcuk | particular sorts of rendering? | 23:09 |
| ali1234 | what do you mean everyone fails? | 23:09 |
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| TSCHAKeee | the issue is that the chipset is not free software friendly _AT ALL_ | 23:09 |
| lcuk | well ali1234 i have never seen anyone say "ooof this GMA500 is awesome, it lets me do ......" | 23:09 |
| lcuk | ooh ^ | 23:09 |
| ali1234 | yes the issue is no open source drivers, same as on n900 | 23:09 |
| lcuk | yes, well the n900 can do 3d | 23:10 |
| ali1234 | exactly | 23:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's the same core | 23:10 |
| lcuk | we have nice fast 3d games and the WM uses it etc | 23:10 |
| ali1234 | it can do 3d support if you run a stock rom | 23:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | (the gpu is licensed from powerVR) | 23:10 |
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| lcuk | so this is *purely* a driver issue, powervr is fully capable? | 23:11 |
| ali1234 | yes | 23:11 |
| lcuk | at the netbook resolutions | 23:11 |
| lcuk | ok | 23:11 |
| ali1234 | the only driver for GMA500 was a binary only release for ubuntu on dell netbooks | 23:11 |
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| vgrade | arjan, so will EMGD every be part of MeeGo | 23:11 |
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| lcuk | and who wrote the driver? | 23:11 |
| ali1234 | the driver is compiled against that specific kernel and xorg, and does not work properly elsewhere | 23:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm guessing NOT | 23:12 |
| ali1234 | the driver was written by power i guess. that's not important | 23:12 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: Intel, with the usual mess of licensed code from various places | 23:12 |
| vgrade | im asking the architect | 23:12 |
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| lcuk | ali1234, so where is the source? | 23:12 |
| lcuk | it does matter | 23:12 |
| ali1234 | lcuk there is no source | 23:12 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's a commercial black box. | 23:12 |
| ali1234 | lcuk same as there is no source for the n900 driver | 23:12 |
| lcuk | there is, its just not released? | 23:12 |
| lcuk | :| | 23:12 |
| lcuk | source does exist | 23:13 |
| ali1234 | if it is not released it may as well not exist | 23:13 |
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| ali1234 | it does exist and it will never be released | 23:13 |
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| lcuk | come on, I am asking serious questions here - I know how closed source development works, I am the integrator for Nokia Maemo AF | 23:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | trust me, it's frustrating for all of us involved.. I'm wanting to run MeeGo on a Nokia Netbook 3G...beautiful little guy, great power consumption #s, but it's GMA500..yeaugh | 23:13 |
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| ali1234 | lcuk what answer do you expect? intel do not own the code to release it - it is licensed | 23:14 |
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| lcuk | ali1234, so, there is someone sat on the source for this piece of silicon at imagination tech? | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | TSCHAKeee: people did already run meego on there ow, hough | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:14 |
| ali1234 | i dont knwo exactly *who* wrote it | 23:14 |
| lcuk | or is it intel themselves | 23:14 |
| lcuk | any clues in the binary? | 23:14 |
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| CosmoHill | ali1234: can I see your spec file? | 23:14 |
| vgrade | arjan, ? | 23:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | stskeeps: basically shoehorning EMGD onto it after the fact? | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | the silly situation is even worse by the fact that it seems like imgtec is softening up and allowing redistribution | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | TSCHAKeee: bingo | 23:15 |
| ali1234 | CosmoHill: i didn't modify the spec for gcc | 23:15 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, shades of n810 situation | 23:15 |
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| lcuk | is meego expecting to be using a single kernel series for foreseeable period | 23:16 |
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| lcuk | ie if all this was followed up and someone manages to produce another binary out from some hole or other which works on meego netbook will it make people happy for a while? | 23:17 |
| ali1234 | for a while :) | 23:17 |
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| lcuk | then at the point that happens, the chain of source and people incharge get documented | 23:17 |
| lcuk | so that its easier next time | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully meego can in the long term help solve some of these blob issues.. | 23:18 |
| lcuk | indeed | 23:18 |
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| lcuk | so, all the intel people who have contact with other intel people and imgtec people - talk and discuss and have beers and find out what can be done ? | 23:18 |
| vgrade | arjan, thanks | 23:19 |
| lcuk | does imgtec have irc ? | 23:19 |
| lcuk | since technically their code is in the principle reference devices | 23:19 |
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| lcuk | wouldnt they like a voice | 23:19 |
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| ali1234 | why would they? would foxconn want a voice too? i'm sure there's some of their parts in there somewhere | 23:20 |
| lcuk | I am sure their image could be improved substantially | 23:21 |
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| lcuk | \o | 23:21 |
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| lcuk | and ali1234 has anyone invited them? | 23:22 |
| ali1234 | how should i know? | 23:22 |
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| ali1234 | i'm just some guy on irc | 23:22 |
| * auke gets tired of word-twisting zealots | 23:22 | |
| auke | why does everyone need to take mailing list threads out of context to prove a point? | 23:23 |
| auke | it's not slashdot!!! | 23:23 |
| CosmoHill | yet | 23:24 |
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| auke | I mean, why is it so wrong to post my concerns when someone asks about developing meego apps on windows? I did answer his question in the very first reply, that it was perfectly possible :( | 23:25 |
| UlfHofemeier | auke: http://www.despair.com/cudi.html | 23:25 |
| auke | UlfHofemeier: indeed | 23:26 |
| ali1234 | is that on -community? i unsubscribed yesterday to test it works and forgot to resubscribe | 23:26 |
| ali1234 | (i guess it does work) | 23:26 |
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| auke | ali1234: yes | 23:28 |
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| ali1234 | i don't understand why you think running the SDK on windows vs linux makes any difference when you actually test? | 23:29 |
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| ali1234 | if you are testing seriously you are testing on a device | 23:29 |
| ali1234 | so what difference does it make where you compile? | 23:30 |
| auke | none, but the thread started with someone who doesn't even have a device | 23:30 |
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| ali1234 | well nobody has a device yet, they are not available | 23:30 |
| Pforce | they are, few thousand euros though | 23:31 |
| Pforce | :> | 23:31 |
| * CosmoHill makes a clamav spec file | 23:31 | |
| Stskeeps | its probably not going to matter for app sdk anyway - it never tries to run the app when built for a diff target | 23:31 |
| ali1234 | you might as well say "give up unless you work for intel" | 23:31 |
| ali1234 | would have been about as helpful | 23:31 |
| ali1234 | plus, if he wants to develop for arm, then qemu works exactly the same on windows or linux | 23:32 |
| ali1234 | it's only if you want to develop for meego x86 that yo usuddenly end in a situation where you *have* to buy a core 2 and you *have* to run linux on it | 23:32 |
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| Stskeeps | which isnt the case | 23:33 |
| ali1234 | i know it isn't the case | 23:33 |
| ali1234 | but the alternative is worse | 23:33 |
| lcuk | does qemu now support yuv video modes? | 23:34 |
| * lcuk remembers when hrw tried getting stuff working on it | 23:34 | |
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| auke | ali1234: no device yet but this person doesn't even have a linux system | 23:36 |
| auke | excuse me for raising eyebrows | 23:36 |
| auke | lol | 23:36 |
| auke | seriously? | 23:36 |
| ali1234 | it boils down to, why is testing your qt app which is native built for linux any more valid than testing your qt app native on windows? | 23:36 |
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| auke | ali1234: no, it boils down to eating your own dogfood | 23:37 |
| Pforce | ali1234: you the same guy who started the ogre work for n900? :) | 23:37 |
| ali1234 | yes | 23:37 |
| auke | if you don't eat your own dogfood, you don't know how it tastes :) | 23:37 |
| ali1234 | well no, i didn't start it | 23:37 |
| ali1234 | i just continued it for a while :) | 23:37 |
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| auke | <- eats his own dogfood | 23:37 |
| Pforce | ive been using 1.7.1 with gles1 for a while | 23:38 |
| Pforce | just ran that on maemo | 23:38 |
| mneptok | wait ... it's dog*food*?! poor Fluffy! barbecued for naught. | 23:38 |
| Pforce | x86 | 23:38 |
| auke | mneptok: cry | 23:38 |
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| ali1234 | auke: i don't understand what that means? | 23:38 |
| auke | ali1234: it means doing more than testing your code, it means actually using it | 23:38 |
| auke | for instance | 23:38 |
| auke | if you designed pace makers, implant one in your chest | 23:39 |
| auke | that's eating your dogfood | 23:39 |
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| auke | own* | 23:39 |
| auke | :) | 23:39 |
| ali1234 | so why is it necessary for him to use a linux box to develop, if he gets a device? | 23:39 |
| Pforce | it builds, ship it | 23:39 |
| ali1234 | s/necessary/desirable/ | 23:39 |
| infobot | ali1234 meant: so why is it desirable for him to use a linux box to develop, if he gets a device? | 23:39 |
| Pforce | lol nice bot :) | 23:40 |
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| ali1234 | i'm really getting a bit tired of this "you must buy into our community and become a <...> developer" stuff. i'm hearing same thing over in ubuntu too | 23:42 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: http://download.bluesquarelinux.co.uk/felix/SPECS/clamav.spec-3 :) | 23:42 |
| ali1234 | like if you target multiple platforms you are doing something wrong | 23:42 |
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| CosmoHill | at the moment I don't | 23:42 |
| ali1234 | everything about maemo was about making me manage my projects in garage | 23:42 |
| ali1234 | while all ubuntu wants is me to put my project on launchpad | 23:43 |
| ali1234 | why should i put my code on either one if it works perfectly well on both platforms? | 23:43 |
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| ali1234 | for all its problems, at least OBS lets me compile for many different distros all in one place | 23:44 |
| ali1234 | i'll even try to test on as many as i can | 23:45 |
| ali1234 | of course that is subject to those distros actually working on some hardware that i own | 23:46 |
| * CosmoHill looks at meego | 23:46 | |
| ali1234 | if buying an official meego device is a prerequisite to developing for meego, then that sucks | 23:46 |
| auke | ali1234: I never said he should develop on linux | 23:46 |
| ali1234 | auke: yes you did, in your first post in the thread | 23:46 |
| auke | you're again, drawing conclusions from thin air | 23:46 |
| ali1234 | you very strongly implied that is he was "serious" he should develop in linux | 23:47 |
| ali1234 | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-August/001424.html | 23:47 |
| auke | which I explained later | 23:47 |
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| auke | "developing" means "writing code" plus "testing" | 23:47 |
| ali1234 | later on you explained that what you actually meant was, windows is fine, and actually he should buy a device | 23:48 |
| ali1234 | ? | 23:48 |
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| auke | I could develop my code on a typewriter, and have it validated on a real device, or, with the lack thereof, at least a meego system | 23:50 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 23:50 |
| auke | where you write your code on is irrelevant | 23:50 |
| auke | the part which people are looking over is this person doesn't even have _a_ linux system | 23:50 |
| ali1234 | so what? | 23:50 |
| auke | and probably not even a linux running in a vm | 23:50 |
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| auke | he's developing something for meego? | 23:50 |
| auke | actually | 23:51 |
| auke | I doubt he's developing something for meego at all | 23:51 |
| auke | it sounds more like someone just read a news post and wants to "develop" (sans platform) | 23:51 |
| ali1234 | who was it saying we should like of meego development like cross compiling? | 23:51 |
| auke | you can cross compile all you want | 23:52 |
| ali1234 | android is based on linux, are you going to try to tell me that it's better to develop android apps on ubuntu than windows? | 23:52 |
| ali1234 | i hope not, because that would be insane | 23:52 |
| auke | I personally would like you to test your code on a device that comes close to the real thing, is what I'm after | 23:52 |
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| auke | android isn't linux in my book | 23:53 |
| auke | certainly not android app development | 23:53 |
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| fprimex | vgrade: hey, can I msg you? | 23:54 |
| Macer | http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/HandsetTestReport/N900Sanity20100817 | 23:54 |
| Macer | ouch :) | 23:54 |
| Macer | seems to have a very very very long way to go | 23:55 |
| lcuk | it does, but every step we collectively take towards it helps | 23:56 |
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| ali1234 | i still don't understand why you think running some Qt app under ubuntu on a i7 and a 1080p monitor would be more faithful to the meego experience than running it on a windows box of same spec | 23:57 |
| Macer | lcuk: yeah i suppose that's true. but the life expectancy is diminishing on the n900 | 23:58 |
| ali1234 | there would be almost no difference at all between them, and they would be both very different to the experience you get from a netbook | 23:58 |
| lcuk | Macer, you had given up on the n900 before it was released | 23:58 |
| auke | qgil: ty for your post | 23:58 |
| lcuk | you only came back to it after trying other things first ;) | 23:58 |
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| Macer | lcuk: no i didn't ;) i gave up on it after it was released | 23:59 |
| Macer | really i loved my n900 up until the point where nokia did this maemo/meego stuff | 23:59 |
| Macer | which would have been fine if they had something for the n900 in place :) but alas they did not | 23:59 |
| auke | ali1234: actually, I disagree that running a Qt app on an i7 is more close to a handset than on a windows system, user experience wise | 23:59 |
| qgil | auke: I hope it helps to keep you working on funny things :) | 23:59 |
| auke | qgil: gah, I wish | 23:59 |
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