| ali1234 | but 415040+0 records in 415039+0 records out means all but the last 4096 bytes got copied | 00:00 |
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| ali1234 | maybe the partition isn't quite as big as you think it is? | 00:00 |
| Skyscraper | thats german and means "87 bad parameter" | 00:01 |
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| Skyscraper | D:\Meego>dd if=meego-handset-armv5tel-n900-nokia-proprietary-1.0.80.13.20100803. 2-mmcblk0p.raw of=\\.\Volume{8dae6faf-400d-11df-8f43-e0cb4e65de40} bs=4096 | 00:02 |
| Skyscraper | thats my command | 00:02 |
| ali1234 | maybe it means "Error writing file: 87\nFalscher Parameter" | 00:03 |
| ali1234 | ie 87 isn't the bad parameter but the error returned by fwrite or w/e | 00:03 |
| ali1234 | in errno.h 87 is EUSER which isn't very helpful | 00:03 |
| ali1234 | and might not even be relevant on windows | 00:04 |
| Skyscraper | hm | 00:05 |
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| Skyscraper | trying: | 00:05 |
| Skyscraper | D:\Meego>dd if=meego-handset-armv5tel-n900-nokia-proprietary-1.0.80.13.20100803. 2-mmcblk0p.raw of=\\?\Device\Harddisk1\Partition0 bs=4096 | 00:06 |
| ali1234 | is the bolume a sd card or something? | 00:06 |
| ali1234 | *volume | 00:06 |
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| Skyscraper | yes its an SD-Card in the internal slot from my netbook | 00:06 |
| tybollt | win32 disk imager users? here's complaining "Not enough space on disk" whereas the "disk" is a 4GB card and the laptop has plenty of space... | 00:07 |
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| lbt | am I wrong to want MeeGo on more x86 devices? | 00:09 |
| ali1234 | no absolutely not | 00:09 |
| tybollt | does it run on gma500 yet? | 00:09 |
| ali1234 | i want to see it on more ARM chips too | 00:10 |
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| lbt | there's a little debate on the -dev ml | 00:15 |
| w00t_ | lbt: there is? | 00:16 |
| w00t_ | that's bad, it means my email isn't working | 00:16 |
| w00t_ | ah, of course, I forgot to install offlineimap.. | 00:16 |
| w00t_ | that wouldn't help | 00:16 |
| lbt | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-August/004762.html | 00:17 |
| * w00t_ sighs | 00:17 | |
| w00t_ | this means I'm going to get bombarded with email | 00:17 |
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| CosmoHill | cybergirl: salut | 00:17 |
| ali1234 | lbt: http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/Installation - why does it talk about disk partitioning? is that really necessary or just that you are documenting the whole process of setting up the community OBS there? | 00:18 |
| CosmoHill | cybergirl: were you in #lfs-support recently? | 00:18 |
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| lbt | ali1234: documenting my process | 00:18 |
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| lbt | you probably want LVM if you're doing a proper install | 00:19 |
| ali1234 | of course. but i just want to learn about OBS for now | 00:21 |
| Skyscraper | hum... now trying dd from UnxUtils at sourceforge | 00:22 |
| ali1234 | actually i was going to follow this but using 11.3: http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Sysadmin_Distro/OBS_setup_openSUSE112 | 00:22 |
| vgrade1 | CosmoHill, should have tried do you come here often :) | 00:22 |
| w00t_ | lbt: I'm not sure whether to thank you or curse you for alerting me to that mail problem... | 00:22 |
| w00t_ | :P | 00:22 |
| CosmoHill | but she's a she :o | 00:22 |
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| Skyscraper | lol now copying raw to n900 and using dd on itself | 00:43 |
| CosmoHill | what just happened? | 00:43 |
| Skyscraper | dd for windows wont work -.- | 00:44 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | CosmoHill: NetSplit | 00:45 |
| CosmoHill | fun | 00:45 |
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| lcuk | Skyscraper, how big is your MMC? | 00:46 |
| Skyscraper | 8g | 00:47 |
| lcuk | big enough then | 00:47 |
| Skyscraper | yes | 00:47 |
| Skyscraper | cygwin failed too | 00:47 |
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| CosmoHill | Skyscraper: linux livecd? | 00:48 |
| CosmoHill | or a mac | 00:48 |
| Skyscraper | n900 itself | 00:48 |
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| Skyscraper | so now n900 copies from mmcblk0p1/meego.raw to mmcblk1 | 00:51 |
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| Skyscraper | argh... all the time typing "ls" instead of "dir" in windows shell | 00:52 |
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| Skyscraper | hm... very slow | 01:05 |
| Skyscraper | its copying and copying xD | 01:05 |
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| Skyscraper | hm... n900 itself wouldnt copy ? seems so | 01:28 |
| Skyscraper | over 40 minutes? | 01:29 |
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| ali1234 | with bs=4096 it will take ages | 01:30 |
| Skyscraper | what bs should i set? | 01:30 |
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| CosmoHill | ali1234: it will be faster than bs=1024 | 01:30 |
| Skyscraper | when i want to use dd in cygwin, whats the output device? | 01:31 |
| Skyscraper | in linux i would use /dev/sdb - but in cygwin? | 01:31 |
| Phazorx | dd --list | 01:33 |
| Phazorx | should give you roaster of capable devices | 01:33 |
| Skyscraper | dd --list in cygwin says "unknown option" | 01:33 |
| Phazorx | i must use some other binport then | 01:33 |
| ali1234 | doesn't work on ubuntu either | 01:34 |
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| jmc93739653 | Skyscraper: should be "/cygdrive/<driveletter in windows, but lowercase>/" | 01:34 |
| Skyscraper | i've tried UnxUtils and another dd for windows-port | 01:34 |
| ali1234 | no. just... no... that's where the drive is mounted at, not the block device | 01:34 |
| ali1234 | http://www.chrysocome.net/dd says you can use --list | 01:36 |
| jmc93739653 | ali1234: I _do_ usually use a VM running a Linux distro rather than Cygwin if I have to use Windows as a host OS. | 01:36 |
| Phazorx | jmc wouldnt that be easier with msys/mingw? | 01:36 |
| ali1234 | jmc so you should know the difference between mount point and block device then :) | 01:37 |
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| jmc93739653 | ali1234 & Phazorx: I understand Linux better than I understand Cygwin. | 01:41 |
| Skyscraper | cygwin dd of=\\?\Device\Harddisk1\DR4 seems to do something xD | 01:42 |
| Phazorx | Skyscraper: i would think it is not safe w/o seeing --list output | 01:43 |
| Skyscraper | Phazorx: i used a windows-port of dd to show --list and used that output to recognize that harddisk1\dr4 is the right | 01:44 |
| Skyscraper | yeah it says 2,1 gb copied in 109 sec with 18,7 MB/s | 01:44 |
| Skyscraper | yeah when i mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 in my n900 i can see a whole filesys | 01:46 |
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| CosmoHill | Skyscraper: do you have a spare memory stick / usb pen? | 01:48 |
| Skyscraper | ? | 01:49 |
| Skyscraper | why | 01:49 |
| CosmoHill | you could get damn small linux and use dd on that | 01:49 |
| CosmoHill | it's a 50MB download | 01:49 |
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| Skyscraper | ROFL | 01:49 |
| Skyscraper | very nice... downloaded the pre-builded image from nokia.... and the result: doesnt work | 01:50 |
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| Skyscraper | very bad -.- | 01:53 |
| CosmoHill | has anything blown up? | 01:54 |
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| Skyscraper | nope... n900 displayed some booting linux (without backlight^^) and then restated and booted back into maemo | 01:57 |
| CosmoHill | try pressing the power button and increse brightness button | 01:58 |
| zimmerle | Stskeeps: pong | 01:58 |
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| CosmoHill | zimmerle: that's not a very nice thing to say about someone | 01:59 |
| ScottishDuck | my brother died because of pong | 02:00 |
| ScottishDuck | I am deeply hurt | 02:00 |
| Skyscraper | hm when i mount the mmcblk1p1 and type ls in /media/mmc1 then it says ./lib: Input/Output error and ./dev too | 02:00 |
| CosmoHill | ping was found innocent | 02:00 |
| Skyscraper | maybe bad image or bad dd copy? | 02:00 |
| CosmoHill | Skyscraper: did you check the ms5? | 02:01 |
| CosmoHill | md5* | 02:01 |
| Skyscraper | nope :D | 02:01 |
| zimmerle | CosmoHill: sorry ? :P | 02:02 |
| Skyscraper | LOOOOL | 02:02 |
| Skyscraper | the DD command wasnt ok | 02:02 |
| zimmerle | :) | 02:02 |
| CosmoHill | zimmerle: body odour joke | 02:02 |
| Skyscraper | it writed a scary file onto my windows D:\ drive oO | 02:02 |
| Skyscraper | wondered why my D:\ is full | 02:03 |
| Skyscraper | DeviceHarddisk1DR4 <- document xD | 02:03 |
| Skyscraper | is it possible to write that .raw with a windows tool like rawrite oder stl? | 02:04 |
| ali1234 | yes rawrite should work ok | 02:04 |
| ali1234 | if oyu use it properly :) | 02:04 |
| ali1234 | maybe it won't let you select the SD card... | 02:05 |
| Skyscraper | why not try ;) | 02:06 |
| CosmoHill | on linux, you can't copy an image to a drive if the drive is mounted | 02:07 |
| CosmoHill | i don't know if that's true for windows | 02:07 |
| ali1234 | you can actually. it's not a good idea though | 02:07 |
| ali1234 | since you found that file on d: you just got the output filename wrong | 02:08 |
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| Skyscraper | hm trying again a windows dd app | 02:12 |
| Skyscraper | seems to work now... having other parameters | 02:12 |
| Skyscraper | dd if=d:\meego\meego-handset-armv5tel-n900-nokia-proprietary-1.0.80.13.20100803.2-mmcblk0p.raw of=\\?\Device\Harddisk1\DR10 bs=1M --size --progress | 02:12 |
| Skyscraper | with http://www.chrysocome.net/dd | 02:13 |
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| Skyscraper | again... crashes on: | 02:15 |
| Skyscraper | 1,956M Error reading file: 87 Falscher Parameter 1956+1 records in 1956+1 records out | 02:15 |
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| ali1234 | how big in the raw exactly? | 02:16 |
| ali1234 | *is | 02:16 |
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| Skyscraper | (2.051.014.657 Bytes) | 02:16 |
| Skyscraper | file on system (2.051.018.752 Bytes) | 02:17 |
| ali1234 | 1M means 1024*1024 bytes | 02:17 |
| Skyscraper | verified the md5 sum of downloaded tar.bz2 - matched! - but... unzipped it with winrar...dont know if thats ok | 02:19 |
| ali1234 | 1024*1024*1956 = 2.051.014.656 | 02:19 |
| Guest87556 | hey guys, im new to all this linux stuff, installed ubuntu, followed the instructions, run qemu, get a load of white lines in a window and it exits - any ideas? | 02:19 |
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| auke | what are you running in qemu? | 02:20 |
| ali1234 | Skyscraper: the transfer is going fine until right near the end, same as before | 02:20 |
| Guest87556 | meego sdk, raw file | 02:20 |
| Skyscraper | all over the web they say i should use bs=4096 - but thats not ok too? | 02:20 |
| ali1234 | Skyscraper: neither a corrupt file nor wrong blocksize should cause dd to fail like you are seeing | 02:21 |
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| ali1234 | are you sure it's really a 4GB card? there are fakes... | 02:22 |
| Guest87556 | is there a particular flavour of linux you guys would reccomend as easy to work with qemu and meego on a standard pc with nvidia card? | 02:22 |
| Skyscraper | i'm sure its really a 8gb card^^ | 02:23 |
| CosmoHill | Guest87556: i think Fedora is the flavour of the month | 02:23 |
| Guest87556 | thanks ill give that a go :D | 02:23 |
| ali1234 | Skyscraper: does it have multiple partitions on it already? | 02:24 |
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| Skyscraper | ali1234: yes | 02:25 |
| ali1234 | what size partitions? is one 2GB? | 02:25 |
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| Skyscraper | \\?\Device\Harddisk1\Partition0 link to \\?\Device\Harddisk1\DR10 Removable media other than floppy. Block size = 512 size is 7969177600 bytes \\?\Device\Harddisk1\Partition1 link to \\?\Device\HarddiskVolume15 Removable media other than floppy. Block size = 512 size is 1699999744 bytes | 02:26 |
| ali1234 | well that doesn't really help much | 02:27 |
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| Skyscraper | ali1234: windows says 1 is 1,58gb and one is 243mb and 5,60gb are free | 02:29 |
| ali1234 | i think you are writing the image to the partition instead of the device | 02:30 |
| ali1234 | and the partition isn't big enough | 02:30 |
| ali1234 | i don't know enough about windows volumes to say for sure | 02:30 |
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| Skyscraper | 2,002,944k Error reading file: 87 Falscher Parameter 489+1 records in 489+1 records out | 02:38 |
| * CosmoHill wonders if it would be faster to post it to him | 02:39 | |
| ali1234 | you used bs=4M right? | 02:39 |
| Skyscraper | bs=4096k | 02:40 |
| CosmoHill | Skyscraper: try without it | 02:40 |
| ali1234 | same thing | 02:40 |
| ali1234 | it always fails right near the end | 02:40 |
| CosmoHill | dd if=meego.img of=/dev/sdc | 02:40 |
| Skyscraper | CosmoHill: trying at the moment ;) | 02:44 |
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| Skyscraper | CosmoHill: i think that takes hours? | 02:50 |
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| CosmoHill | it's under an hour | 02:51 |
| CosmoHill | but a long time | 02:51 |
| CosmoHill | 20 ~ 30 mins I think | 02:51 |
| Skyscraper | the process is in bytes? | 02:51 |
| CosmoHill | yes but I have no idea how many | 02:52 |
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| Skyscraper | forget it... 150 mb in 5 minutes... of 2gb.. i'll close all now (-.-) and reboot into ubuntu | 02:52 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 02:53 |
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| Skyscraper | back in a few minutes | 02:53 |
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| Skyscraper | back again | 03:00 |
| Guest87556 | so guys, its perfectly ok to use a pc with a non intel graphics (nvisia 8800) with gemu to develop meego apps? | 03:01 |
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| Skyscraper_ | hm... | 03:12 |
| Skyscraper_ | meego "boots".. xD | 03:12 |
| Skyscraper_ | but know i get blackscreen with white "mouse" and after a moment then a full "white-screen" | 03:13 |
| Skyscraper_ | ok, now maemo loading screen... slow:D | 03:13 |
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| Skyscraper_ | WOW! | 03:15 |
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| Skyscraper_ | seems to missing some icons | 03:19 |
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| N900dude | hey dudes....its a damn shame that the conference in ireland will be called meego rather than maemo conference dont ya think? | 05:58 |
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| Stskeeps | ANNOUNCE: Nokia N900 hardware adaptation technical meeting in about 56 minutes in #meego-meeting , agenda at http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Meetings#Agenda , feel free to join and participate | 08:06 |
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| Stskeeps | ANNOUNCE: Nokia N900 hardware adaptation technical meeting in about 30 minutes in #meego-meeting , agenda at http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Meetings#Agenda , feel free to join and participate | 08:31 |
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| Stskeeps | ANNOUNCE: Nokia N900 hardware adaptation technical meeting in about 5 minutes in #meego-meeting , agenda at http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Meetings#Agenda , feel free to join and participate | 08:57 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:42 |
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| Trollkarlen | Where can i find a armv7l kickstart file for the handset ? | 10:43 |
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| Stskeeps | Trollkarlen: meego.gitorious.org -> os base -> image-configurations | 10:46 |
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| Trollkarlen | Thx' | 10:47 |
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| fcocuadrado | Hi, all! Does someone knows if I can use rsync to create a mirror of MeeGo repository? | 10:52 |
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| Trollkarlen | I could not make it work, but that was in june, so dont know if they changed it. | 10:57 |
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| sivu | it's too bad gitorious projects don't have spec files for the rpms | 11:32 |
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| Stskeeps | sivu: extract from srpms? | 11:38 |
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| sivu | stskeeps, yeah thats what ive been doing | 11:41 |
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| Stskeeps | sivu: rpm2cpio *.src.rpm | cpio -id should give full content for obs | 11:42 |
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| noursy | hello | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | afternoon | 11:52 |
| noursy | I'm trying to compile PySide on meego | 11:52 |
| noursy | according to zypper, the qt version in there is 4.7 | 11:53 |
| noursy | but PySide complains that QElapsedTimer, added to QCore in 4.7, is not available | 11:53 |
| noursy | and indeed, there is no trace of QElapsedTimer in /usr/include/Qt | 11:54 |
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| Stskeeps | 4.7 what version? | 11:54 |
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| noursy | 4.7.0~prerelease-6.2 | 11:55 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago: how much does NEON help on qt? | 12:12 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, is it your birthday by chance? (if so, Happy Birthday!) if not :P | 12:32 |
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| chem|st | has anyone got multiboot 2.5. working with rc6 on mmcblk1px? | 12:33 |
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| thiago | Stskeeps: quite a bit | 13:06 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: 700% improvement in RGB888 to ARGB conversion | 13:06 |
| CosmoHill | morning Stskeeps and thiago | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: is there any way to do run-time enabling of NEON? MeeGo doesn't have NEON in ARMv7 so | 13:07 |
| thiago | no | 13:07 |
| thiago | ARM chips don't have "cpuid" | 13:07 |
| thiago | either you build it with Neon, or you don't | 13:07 |
| thiago | Qt builds with Neon unless you choose -no-neon | 13:08 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago: sure? i thought i saw neon in /proc/cpuinfo earlier, but i guess that kind of detection sucks | 13:08 |
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| Stskeeps | morn smoku | 13:11 |
| smoku | 'lo | 13:12 |
| bunk | Stskeeps: Yes, you can do runtime detection of NEON. | 13:12 |
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| Stskeeps | we're looking into performance issues of meego on n900 so | 13:13 |
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| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: the kinda of performance issues that are very noticeable by the user or the kind where you need to benchmark to detect it? | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: noticable | 13:14 |
| CosmoHill | the worst kind | 13:14 |
| bunk | Stskeeps: HWCAP_NEON is your friend. | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | bunk: interesting | 13:15 |
| bunk | (but that was added in 2.6.29) | 13:15 |
| Robot101 | stuff like liboil has function vtables and populates them with the fastest available implementations at runtime | 13:16 |
| Robot101 | neon or whatever | 13:16 |
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| Robot101 | so its a reasonable technique to build several versions and swap in the quickest you can run | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | but i guess qt doesn't use liboil | 13:16 |
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| Robot101 | not likely - but it could structure something similar | 13:16 |
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| Robot101 | with a factory, pick the fastest class or whatever | 13:17 |
| Robot101 | depends how localised the performance sensitive code (which benefits most from neon) is | 13:17 |
| Robot101 | btw, are there many meego folks in .au? we've been pondering submitting a meego miniconference to LCA | 13:18 |
| Robot101 | wondering if we'd get enough speakers - any intel folks or nokians going? | 13:18 |
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| Stskeeps | the QMF peeps are in brisbane aren't they? | 13:18 |
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| Phazorx | could anyone suggest way to deal with configuring touchpad properly? | 13:19 |
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| Robot101 | yeah, qtmobility and qmf talks would fit there nicely | 13:19 |
| Phazorx | it does support multitouch in win7 and sabayon, i would like to have that functionality in meego too | 13:19 |
| Robot101 | maybe I should ping qgil / dawn in more detail when they arrive | 13:19 |
| Phazorx | currently the driver seams to react rather chaotically to more than one finger on the pad | 13:20 |
| Robot101 | mmeeks: would you come to lca and give a talk at a meego miniconference? :) | 13:20 |
| psycho_oreos | Robot101, not a meego folk myself yet, but am interested :) | 13:20 |
| Robot101 | so we have 1 audience member too! :) | 13:20 |
| psycho_oreos | interested in the miniconference if there's one to be held in .au, preferrably Brisbane | 13:20 |
| Robot101 | yeah, lca always has a couple of days for special topic miniconfs | 13:20 |
| Robot101 | so it would be one day or one afternoon with a series of meego talks | 13:21 |
| psycho_oreos | lca as in linux-conf au? :) | 13:21 |
| Robot101 | yeah | 13:21 |
| Robot101 | if they'd accept the proposal of course | 13:21 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh thought so :) | 13:21 |
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| mmeeks | Robot101: would I like to fly to Australia ? well; we have no travel budget ;-) | 13:24 |
| mmeeks | Robot101: and then there is breaking the news to the family ... | 13:24 |
| mmeeks | Robot101: but it is a kind thought, | 13:24 |
| mmeeks | Robot101: Aaron Bockover might be a good choice ? | 13:24 |
| Robot101 | what, he'll fly anywhere and talk about anything? :) | 13:25 |
| psycho_oreos | if for example we get enough meego folks/interested meego people in .au I was thinking we could probably pool some money together (via donation) and sponsoring a meego speaker :) | 13:27 |
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| Robot101 | well there are a few places to go for sponsorship of travel | 13:27 |
| mmeeks | Robot101: sure, Aaron is good like that. | 13:27 |
| mmeeks | unmarried, and doesn't loathe travelling - as long as there is bacon at the other end... | 13:28 |
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| Robot101 | and beer! :) | 13:28 |
| psycho_oreos | I mean the meego summit is all the way in .ie lol, I really don't have that sort of budget to fly over there | 13:28 |
| Termana | psycho_oreos, CONFERENCE | 13:28 |
| Termana | *COUGH* | 13:29 |
| Termana | :P | 13:29 |
| psycho_oreos | s/summit/conference/ | 13:30 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: I mean the meego conference is all the way in .ie lol, I really don't have that sort of budget to fly over there | 13:30 |
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| Dave111 | hi guys, i need to convert some of my games over from appup to meego, totally new to linux, any meego developers here or people here to lend a hand actually getting a dev environment up and running? | 13:44 |
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| Bostik | Dave111: you'll probably need to learn packaging for most parts, and for that a VM instance of any x86-meego environment is golden | 13:51 |
| Bostik | just a minute, I'll pull some notes how I got started | 13:51 |
| Dave111 | thanks guys | 13:52 |
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| Bostik | follow the installation instructions from here: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox | 13:54 |
| CosmoHill | quick question, would anyone be interesting in how to netboot grub2? | 13:54 |
| Dave111 | ahh that looks awesome | 13:54 |
| Dave111 | thank you very much Bostik | 13:54 |
| Bostik | then there's some nice page that taught me how to write .spec files... | 13:54 |
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| Bostik | hunting it down right now (and no, it's not the deb conversion example; sorry Timo) | 13:55 |
| Dave111 | thanks :D | 13:55 |
| Bostik | Dave111: at least that way you won't have to break your host system and can contain all the meego-specific trickery in a single (easy to find) VM system ;) | 13:55 |
| CosmoHill | Bostik: you can edit the boot loader on meego so that it always boots into init 3 instead of manually telling it to | 13:56 |
| Bostik | this is a good starting point, http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/s1-rpm-build-creating-spec-file.html | 13:57 |
| Dave111 | absolutely, this is a big relief | 13:57 |
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| Dave111 | great - many thanks | 13:57 |
| Bostik | CosmoHill: yes, I did that (or actually I edited /etc/inittab for it) and just removed the 'quiet' part from bootloader | 13:57 |
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| Bostik | while I usually do my builds over nfs, for meego I couldn't do that; instead I just installed sshd and git-pushed my packaging efforts inside the VM, editing on host and building inside the VM until it worked | 14:00 |
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| Dave111 | Bostik, once meego is up and running, how do i actually develop for it? what tools, and where etc | 14:08 |
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| Bostik | Dave111: you'll need to setup the environment (meego home dir, really) for rpmbuild; just a minute | 14:10 |
| Bostik | there were nice instructions again someplace | 14:10 |
| Dave111 | awesome, sorry to be so demanding of your time | 14:10 |
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| Bostik | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-rpm1/ | 14:11 |
| Bostik | there it was | 14:11 |
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| Bostik | so basically you need to create ~/rpmbuild/{SPECS,SOURCES,RPMS,SRPMS,BUILD} | 14:12 |
| Dave111 | got you, thank you very much, enormously appreciated | 14:12 |
| Bostik | then to keep things simple, export the current sources into a tarball in rpmbuild/SOURCES/ and modify the .spec file in rpmbuild/SPECS | 14:13 |
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| Bostik | it's best to set up a build script of some kind so it cleans the build and rpm directories before calling rpmbuild so you can keep things really simple | 14:13 |
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| Dave111 | thank you, i am a huge fan of simple :D | 14:14 |
| lcuk | ++ | 14:15 |
| Bostik | once you get to packaging you'll figure out the different parts of .spec file and how they work so at some point you may want to modify them to streamline your workflow even more but until then, that's a nice starting point :) | 14:15 |
| lcuk | Dave111, everyone is | 14:15 |
| Bostik | laziness and desire for comfort are the major driving forces of innovation, as far as I'm concerned | 14:15 |
| Dave111 | i agree :) | 14:16 |
| Bostik | people are willing to spend quite a lot of effort so they would not need to spend any more further down the line | 14:16 |
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| CosmoHill | hey vgrade | 14:19 |
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| vgrade | hi CosmoHill | 14:25 |
| vgrade | just doing some research on OBS building | 14:26 |
| vgrade | or building on OBS should I say | 14:27 |
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| Phazorx | anyone has issue with MT capable touchpads? | 14:51 |
| Phazorx | and netbook obviously | 14:51 |
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| CosmoHill | holy crap it's suddenly chucking it down | 14:59 |
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| CosmoHill | gutter is overflowing already and it only started 2 mins ago | 15:00 |
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| arfoll | on the maemo community OBS, trying to build an x86 package seems to be broken | 15:03 |
| arfoll | see - http://dpaste.com/228478/ | 15:04 |
| arfoll | can anyone help? | 15:05 |
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| smoku | arfoll, confirmed. I reported it yesterday to lbt | 15:06 |
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| smoku | maybe X-Fade could take care of it once he gets back from lunch | 15:07 |
| arfoll | smoku: ok good to see i'm not just being an idiot as usual | 15:07 |
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| smoku | arfoll, I'm not so sure. meybe we are both being idiots ;-) | 15:08 |
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| arfoll | smoku, let's hope not! is it normal it's being a little sluggish? | 15:09 |
| arfoll | this is the first time i've actually used it | 15:10 |
| smoku | i couldn't do a checkout in the morning. it stalled in the middle | 15:10 |
| arfoll | well i've just imported ~500MB and doing a checkout now, it seems ok - just doesn't build | 15:11 |
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| X-Fade | arfoll: looking at it atm. | 15:13 |
| arfoll | x-fade, thanks and good luck - off to lunch | 15:14 |
| vgrade | arfoll, reported last week just after lbt got back, he's busy on no 2 OBS | 15:14 |
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| vgrade | workaround is to build against the Meego-1.0 Rep not Meego:current | 15:15 |
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| X-Fade | vgrade: Yeah, it seems the :current import wasn't completed. Fixing that now. | 15:16 |
| smoku | X-Fade, that | 15:16 |
| smoku | X-Fade, that's why MeeGo: is missing from download? | 15:16 |
| X-Fade | smoku: no, that is a different issue. | 15:16 |
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| smoku | I would like to build locally before commiting to OBS | 15:17 |
| vgrade | seems like everyone is going for an x86 build ATM | 15:17 |
| vgrade | smoku, thats where I am ATM | 15:18 |
| X-Fade | vgrade: Can you try again? | 15:18 |
| smoku | vgrade, it's easier to test on x86 | 15:18 |
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| Dave111 | Bostik you are old chap? | 15:18 |
| Bostik | well.. I'm past 30 | 15:19 |
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| Bostik | if that makes me old, then yes | 15:19 |
| vgrade | X-Fade, thanks, arfoll can you test, im in the middle of a local build | 15:19 |
| Dave111 | oops i typed that slightly wrong | 15:19 |
| Dave111 | it meant to say are you around old chap | 15:19 |
| Dave111 | not are you old - apologies :D | 15:19 |
| smoku | that's why I liked Maemo SDK so much. you develop and debug on x86, and then once finished just switch to arm and repackage the same thing :) | 15:19 |
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| Bostik | I'll be here, and if I'm off I'll stay online anyway | 15:20 |
| Dave111 | i had a question for you if you have a mo | 15:20 |
| * CosmoHill needs to fix his highlights | 15:20 | |
| Dave111 | im on the installing virtualbox quest additions from that link | 15:20 |
| X-Fade | smoku: You should be able to do the same for MeeGo though. | 15:20 |
| Dave111 | it says to download DKMS and suggests wget, i dont seem to have this wget thing | 15:21 |
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| smoku | X-Fade, well... that's what I'm trying to do now. :) but I cannot build locally without required packages | 15:21 |
| Bostik | you don't necessarily need to do that; but if you want to follow all the way: "sudo zypper refresh; sudo zypper install wget" | 15:21 |
| Dave111 | great thats | 15:22 |
| X-Fade | smoku: That is a bug, not a planned thing. | 15:22 |
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| X-Fade | smoku: You should be able to build locally of course. | 15:22 |
| smoku | X-Fade, surely understood. waiting for a resolution :) | 15:22 |
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| Phazorx | anyone has issue with MT capable touchpads? | 15:27 |
| Phazorx | or even better - does anyone have working multitouch touchpad with meego? | 15:28 |
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| Phazorx | driver seems to be proper | 15:28 |
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| Dave111 | back in a bit - thank you once again Bostik for all the help and advice | 15:32 |
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| X-Fade | vgrade, arfoll: the rpm fail liblua issue should be resolved now. Required a project config change, so it will trigger a rebuild. | 15:37 |
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| vgrade | OBS is busy, busy, busy | 15:39 |
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| X-Fade | vgrade: That is the way we like to see it ;) | 15:40 |
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| slaine | all the x86 builds kicking off ? | 15:43 |
| X-Fade | slaine: All builds against current ;) | 15:44 |
| Phazorx | and a very silly question: where is xorg.conf in meego? | 15:44 |
| slaine | There is none | 15:45 |
| Phazorx | interesting | 15:45 |
| Bostik | not really | 15:45 |
| Phazorx | how can i control seettings that are usualy found in it? | 15:45 |
| slaine | Most modern distros are this way | 15:45 |
| slaine | Phazorx: what are you looking to control ? | 15:45 |
| Bostik | X has been able to autoconfigure itself on launch probes for some time now | 15:45 |
| Phazorx | slaine: i'm trying to figure out why touchpad here does not have MT capabilities enablable | 15:46 |
| Phazorx | so i would have liked to look at pointer section in xorg.conf | 15:46 |
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| Phazorx | hal is the only way now? | 15:46 |
| slaine | No | 15:46 |
| slaine | hal is gone | 15:47 |
| Phazorx | so... | 15:47 |
| slaine | DeviceKit/udev | 15:47 |
| Phazorx | okay | 15:47 |
| Phazorx | is it policy driven? | 15:47 |
| slaine | Or you can create section specific configs on /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d | 15:47 |
| X-Fade | smoku: Your libhildon built fine for i586 now. | 15:47 |
| Phazorx | slaine: i would like to look 1st at what is "assumed" to be the current config | 15:47 |
| smoku | X-Fade, watching :) | 15:48 |
| slaine | Check out what's in the /tmp/Xorg.0.log then | 15:48 |
| smoku | X-Fade, what about local building? :> | 15:48 |
| slaine | it'll tell you what it found. | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | smoku: That is next :) | 15:48 |
| smoku | i'll get a coffe then | 15:48 |
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| arfoll | X-Fade, thanks alot my two test packages have built. Time to get the rest | 15:48 |
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| arfoll | X-fade, I'm not too good on OBS internals but is the maemo set up to only accept building of up to 8 packages at a time? I don't mind just like to understand | 15:54 |
| arfoll | actually 10, I just can't count.. | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | arfoll: The test one only has a limited amount of workers yes. It is just one server we had spare. | 15:56 |
| Phazorx | slaine: could you please look at http://pastie.org/1090318 | 15:56 |
| Phazorx | that was a bit clumsy, here is better one: http://pastie.org/1090322 | 15:58 |
| slaine | yeah, what do you see there ? | 15:59 |
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| Phazorx | i see that it configures it and the drops the driver | 16:00 |
| Phazorx | which is a bit strange to me | 16:00 |
| arfoll | Can I choose to somewhere ignore 'devel-file-in-non-devel-package' errors? | 16:00 |
| slaine | For a mouse device, it finds it as a touchpad before that though and configures it properly | 16:00 |
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| Phazorx | slaine: but it unloads driver for it... | 16:00 |
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| deegee__ | Stskeeps: hey, just started re-visiting meego on joggler, seen the updates to the wiki, are there any prebuilt images available for a quick play? | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | deegee__: no, but we have .ks'es, ask vgrade | 16:01 |
| deegee__ | Stskeeps: yup seen the ks's | 16:02 |
| slaine | Phazorx: this might help you setup an xorg.conf.d for it, http://andreascarpino.it/2010/04/xorg-1-8-synaptics-touchpad-configuration/ | 16:02 |
| Phazorx | slaine: as an override - perhaps | 16:02 |
| slaine | You should also read this, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Input_device_configuration | 16:03 |
| Phazorx | but what xactl is the issue that prevents xorg from using that it can see and configure properly? | 16:03 |
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| slaine | Phazorx: I don't have your setup so I don't know exactly. | 16:05 |
| Phazorx | slaine: i'm open to sharing any relevant information | 16:05 |
| Phazorx | just let me knoe what exactly would help | 16:05 |
| slaine | I've setup touchscreens and saw similar issues | 16:06 |
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| Trollkarlen | Is mic2 suposed to work on ubuntu 9.10 ? | 16:07 |
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| Phazorx | slaine: thanks, i tihnk that will help | 16:08 |
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| Phazorx | is there a way i can get what options are supported from the driver tho? | 16:09 |
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| slaine | Phazorx: I had to create a catchall config for evdev to get everything working properly, you might have to do similar. | 16:10 |
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| slaine | I used google to find my parameters | 16:10 |
| Phazorx | sounds like a challenge | 16:11 |
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| Phazorx | while we are on xorg subject - what do i do to adjust brightness if oem buttons are not functional and i dont see acpi handler in /sys/class/backlight ? | 16:12 |
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| UlfHofemeier | Hi | 16:36 |
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| amjad | Hi | 16:38 |
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| Phazorx | what do i do to adjust brightness if oem buttons are not functional and i don't see acpi handler in /sys/class/backlight ? | 16:40 |
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| slaine | nothing | 16:41 |
| slaine | or log bugs against kernel's acpi module | 16:42 |
| UlfHofemeier | You wear sunglasses ;) | 16:42 |
| vgrade | trollkarlen, I had a load of problems with 9.10 with mic, probably due to me installing the wrong things, then getting a new version from git etc etc | 16:42 |
| vgrade | worked in the end BUT I took the advice from the ARM guys and downloaded a fedora VM. Things seem more solid on this platform | 16:44 |
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| vgrade | I had thought about putting my fedora Vbox image up for download with mic, osc etc configured with example kickstart files but you learn lots just getting the tools in place | 16:47 |
| Phazorx | slaine: i would log abug if i knew how to localize it | 16:47 |
| Phazorx | chances are it is somethin relevant to my specific HW or setup | 16:48 |
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| vgrade | X-Fade, thanks, my packages have built against current now | 16:49 |
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| smoku | X-Fade, any news? | 17:02 |
| daisy21 | Hi, Does anyone know where I could get info on the differences between the IVI and the netbook image? | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | It should just work through the api too, which is the fallback. | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | daisy21: meego.gitorious.org -> os base -> image-configurations and package-groups | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | Looking at what can cause timeouts. | 17:03 |
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| deegee__ | vgrade / Stskeeps : working through creating a joggler meego ivi ux image on fedora now... | 17:04 |
| deegee__ | so far so good. | 17:04 |
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| daisy21 | Stskeeps what will this page give me? | 17:06 |
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| X-Fade | arfoll: Do local builds work for you? | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | daisy21: will tell you the contents of images | 17:11 |
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| daisy21 | Ok cool thanks! | 17:12 |
| arfoll | X-fade, what do you mean? | 17:14 |
| arfoll | I | 17:14 |
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| vgrade | X-Fade, I get, trying openSUSE Build Service server for bash (MeeGo:current), since it is not on download.obs.maemo.org | 17:17 |
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| vgrade | this times out and freezes, restarting the build kicks it into life but is stops again after | 17:18 |
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| X-Fade | vgrade: Ok that sounds exactly like what smoku sees ;) | 17:19 |
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| smoku | http://download.obs.maemo.org/ | 17:20 |
| smoku | there is no MeeGo:/ here | 17:20 |
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| vgrade | deegee cool, I have some edits to make to the ks file to sort out the initial black screen issue, see the kickstart on openaos. http://svn.openaos.org/svn/openaos/trunk/meego/archos9/archos9.ks | 17:21 |
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| smoku | damn... I planned to spend this day packaging software for MeeGo. instead I spent it waiting for OBS to be fixed | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: i know this feeling by heart, back when meego obs in general was unstable | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:33 |
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| vgrade | chill, smoku, | 17:36 |
| vgrade | what were you building | 17:36 |
| vgrade | or not | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: anyway, community obs is in beta and should hopefully have the child diseases out of it soon :) | 17:37 |
| X-Fade | smoku: Can you try now? | 17:37 |
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| vgrade | X-Fade, not now going to SUSE OBS but still time outs for me | 17:38 |
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| vgrade | deleted the /var/tmp cache before I tried that | 17:39 |
| vgrade | is there a command to slow down the downloads ala wget, | 17:41 |
| vgrade | it works fine for a few seconds then stops | 17:41 |
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| smoku | X-Fade, a bit better | 17:44 |
| smoku | (MeeGo:current) rpm-4.8.1-2.6.i586.rpm 52% |===================== | 288 kB 00:00 ETA | 17:44 |
| smoku | seems like downloading from obs | 17:44 |
| smoku | but it stopped at this 52% | 17:44 |
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| smoku | vgrade, i'm cool. i'm building libhildon | 17:45 |
| X-Fade | smoku: try again? :) | 17:45 |
| smoku | this time bash | 17:46 |
| smoku | (MeeGo:current) rpm-4.8.1-2.6.i586.rpm 52% |===================== | 288 kB 00:00 ETA | 17:46 |
| smoku | (MeeGo:current) bash-4.0.35-3.8.i586.rpm 7% |=== | 80 kB 00:03 ETA | 17:46 |
| smoku | stopped at 7% | 17:46 |
| smoku | and after some time it moved to getting it from openSUSE | 17:47 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, it doesn't get it from openSUSE though, that is just osc being dumb. | 17:48 |
| X-Fade | OBS is really made for openSUSE and they show it everywhere. (But it is fetching from api.obs.maemo.org in this case) | 17:48 |
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| vgrade | http://pastebin.com/tFPDVryE this from debug, looks like it looks in cache, then download then api, the download one has too many // | 17:50 |
| X-Fade | vgrade: Yes, but that should just work. | 17:51 |
| smoku | X-Fade, so, should I just let id download the packages? | 17:51 |
| X-Fade | smoku: Same server ;) | 17:52 |
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| X-Fade | But I really don't get why the timeouts are there. | 17:52 |
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| smoku | vgrade, do you experience the same timeouts? meybe it's just my network misbehaving :/ | 17:53 |
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| vgrade | yes amte | 17:54 |
| vgrade | yes mate | 17:54 |
| vgrade | X-Fade, does it work for you? | 17:55 |
| smoku | now it can't get buildinfo xml | 17:56 |
| smoku | at all | 17:56 |
| smoku | File "/usr/lib/python2.6/httplib.py", line 355, in _read_status | 17:56 |
| smoku | raise BadStatusLine(line) | 17:56 |
| smoku | httplib.BadStatusLine | 17:56 |
| smoku | crashed | 17:56 |
| X-Fade | smoku: And now? | 17:57 |
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| vgrade | X-Fade, no change here | 18:00 |
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| X-Fade | vgrade: 13/Aug/2010:17:01:22 +0200] "GET //MeeGo%3A/current/standard/i586/rpm-4.8.1-2.6.i586.rpm HTTP/1.1" 200 501228 "-" "osbuild/0.1" | 18:00 |
| X-Fade | vgrade: Looks completely normal from the server end. | 18:00 |
| vgrade | I thought that had sorted it, downloaded a few packages quickly but then frooze, | 18:03 |
| vgrade | need to go out for an hour or so, check later | 18:03 |
| X-Fade | Ah I see kernel issues. | 18:04 |
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| smoku | X-Fade, stopped at 0% | 18:05 |
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| smoku | X-Fade, maybe you do have some throttling on the network layer implemented? like some abuse/DOS protection, or something? | 18:06 |
| X-Fade | I see TCP warnings in the logs: unexpectedly shrunk window | 18:07 |
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| smoku | http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-netdev/2009/4/19/5518144 | 18:10 |
| smoku | some borked router? | 18:10 |
| X-Fade | Seems to be an ipv6 bug in opensuse. | 18:11 |
| smoku | you're running on ipv6? :) | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | No, but disabling it doesn't do that. | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | smoku: Can you try again? | 18:13 |
| smoku | stopped at rpm 0% | 18:14 |
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| CosmoHill | anyone in here use zsh? | 18:17 |
| Dave321 | hey guys, im using meego with qemu, im getting this error when i run meego: Major opcode of failed request: 128 (GLX) Minor opcode of failed request: 5 (X_GLXMakeCurrent) | 18:17 |
| Dave321 | any advice? | 18:17 |
| deegee__ | vgrade / Stskeeps : black screen issue? | 18:18 |
| deegee__ | vgrade: the only issue I've had is that there's no on-screen keyboard by default | 18:18 |
| deegee__ | vgrade: and I can't work out how to safely shut it down | 18:18 |
| deegee__ | vgrade: or is it some kind of power saving mode that it won't come out of if I leave it? | 18:19 |
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| deegee__ | Stskeeps: the meego igi ui is very *very* nice btw | 18:19 |
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| X-Fade | smoku: I'm sorry, I have to debug this another time. Can't find anything obvious atm. | 18:21 |
| smoku | let me try something then ;-) | 18:22 |
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| X-Fade | smoku: while true; do .... ;) | 18:22 |
| smoku | no | 18:22 |
| smoku | wget -r | 18:23 |
| smoku | but it stopped downloading index.html | 18:23 |
| smoku | webserver issue? | 18:23 |
| X-Fade | Download from mirrors.kernel.org/meego/ | 18:23 |
| Dave321 | anyone developing meego apps here that could help someone trying to port appup games over to meego? | 18:24 |
| X-Fade | smoku: http://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/builds/1.0.80/1.0.80.13.20100803.2/ | 18:25 |
| smoku | I will try it then | 18:25 |
| smoku | X-Fade, thanks for all your help :) | 18:25 |
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| deegee__ | vgrade: hmm and also although I can boot with the usb drive connected to a usb hub, it can't see a usb keyboard or mouse, so I can't even connect it to the network | 18:41 |
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| Stskeeps | deegee__: ah, i had one that was using inputclass instead.. but it is on my laptop at home | 18:42 |
| deegee__ | Stskeeps: hmm ok | 18:43 |
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| deegee__ | Stskeeps: the no shutdown button is a real issue as well | 18:43 |
| deegee__ | Stskeeps: I realise that meego's expecting hardware buttons for those functions, but that doesn't really work with a joggler :o) | 18:43 |
| deegee__ | Stskeeps: it's a great UI though | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | deegee__: still a lot of work to be done | 18:45 |
| deegee__ | Stskeeps: there always is ;o) | 18:45 |
| deegee__ | Stskeeps: that's open source for you, always plenty of work to be done :o) | 18:46 |
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| deegee__ | Stskeeps: whats the easiest way to fix the meego issues I'm facing? | 18:48 |
| deegee__ | Stskeeps: hard power off and mount the filesystem to fiddle with it? | 18:49 |
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| Dave321 | anyone running the sdk with qemu? mine just sticks at a silver screen and then exits with X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)? | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | deegee__: yes | 18:51 |
| deegee__ | Stskeeps: k, thx | 18:51 |
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| UlfHofemeier | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=626593 | 18:58 |
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| Dave321 | anyone running the sdk with qemu? mine just sticks at a silver screen and then exits with X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)? | 19:08 |
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| andyross | Dave321: yeah, we've had mixed success with the GL forwarding under kvm. My Arrandale laptop runs it pretty well when I build a 64 bit qemu from source, but the distributed 32 bit binaries fail on both this and a 32 bit machine next to it. We've also had trouble getting it ported to recent code -- the newer Xorg hangs at startup, which sounds like your bug. | 19:14 |
| CosmoHill | now why the hell would that set off my highlight.,.. | 19:14 |
| andyross | But FWIW: MeeGo core runs great in a vm. I build in it routinely. | 19:14 |
| vgrade | deegeehi, | 19:15 |
| CosmoHill | can some say "---" | 19:15 |
| vgrade | which ks did you build, one from jogglerwiki? | 19:15 |
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| ali1234 | ok, i have my own OBS server set up | 19:15 |
| ali1234 | at least i think i do | 19:16 |
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| ali1234 | from where can I mirror the meego project files? (with obs_mirror_project) | 19:16 |
| Dave321 | thanks andy, is there no solution to my xorg hanging problems at the moment? | 19:17 |
| andyross | Try building qemu from the source on gitorious? That worked for at least one box. But the bigger problem is that you'll be stuck at an early-july snapshot for a lot of things, and will have to (very carefully) pick your upgrades so as not to break it. | 19:17 |
| Dave321 | thanks andy will give that a try | 19:18 |
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| A\b1` | hi all | 19:20 |
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| th3hate | sup | 19:21 |
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| Lemoni_ | screen -l | 19:26 |
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| tripzero | anyone with nvidia hardware willing to tackle getting support in meego? http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3653 | 19:26 |
| Lemoni_ | screen -r | 19:26 |
| Lemoni_ | lolol | 19:26 |
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| vgrade | deegee, new ks for mouse and kb on joggler wiki, I also have to power off joggler and then usb hub, then on with the hub and then joggler to get the stick/mouse and kb to be picked up everytime | 19:30 |
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| vgrade | deegee, add matchbox-keyboard to the list of packages in the ks, not used it myself but the archos guys use it | 19:37 |
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| vgrade | X-Fade,Lbt, The Goto Repositories link on the OBS GUI points to http://downloads.obs.maemo.org/home:/vgrade/... instead of http://download.obs.maemo.org/home:/vgrade/... | 20:03 |
| deegee__ | vgrade: sorry missed your msgs... | 20:05 |
| deegee__ | vgrade: thanks for the tips on hub/joggler order will try that | 20:06 |
| deegee__ | vgrade: and will try with the new kickstart also | 20:06 |
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| deegee__ | vgrade: the joggler's just taken a giant leap forward in usability if I can get over these few hurdles | 20:07 |
| deegee__ | vgrade: I've also found some stunning looking copper heatsinks that should fit the joggler | 20:07 |
| Phazorx | is there a proper solution for multipe dhcp based networks and resolv.conf being blanked on reboot? | 20:09 |
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| deegee__ | I have to say, mic2 is quite a nice tool to use | 20:16 |
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| vgrade | deegee, yes once you can get it installed | 20:18 |
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| deegee__ | vgrade: easy with fedora ;o) | 20:21 |
| deegee__ | vgrade: just rsyncing my new build across to the usb stick | 20:22 |
| deegee__ | vgrade: what's the black screen problem you mentioned a while back? | 20:22 |
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| vgrade | if you install the netbook UX the GUI did not start cleanly, is needed some command line stuff to get X up, still not got to the bottom of it but running X as root (yes I know thats bad) works round it | 20:25 |
| vgrade | Handset UX also needs some command line stuff to get that up | 20:25 |
| deegee__ | vgrade: ahh ok, which is why I'm not seeing it running the IGI UX | 20:25 |
| deegee__ | vgrade: thx | 20:26 |
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| deegee__ | vgrade: when I *do* get things running... is there anything that I need to look out for that's not working currently? | 20:27 |
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| vgrade | usual Joggler stuf really, issues because its not got a bb RTC, no MAC on the wired eth0, audio crackling. There is some commands to get network up on the wiki. Other info on the other issues can be found on jogglerwiki in ubuntu, debian, Arch areas. Most, if not all snags have been sorted in one or more distos and waiting to be transtioned over to the Joggler | 20:31 |
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| vgrade | to Meego | 20:31 |
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| deegee__ | vgrade: ok, that's cool, nothing new to troubleshoot then :o) | 20:32 |
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| deegee__ | vgrade: power on order seems to mostly fix the kbd/mouse access... | 20:40 |
| deegee__ | vgrade: but can't get it to enable the wifi/create a new connection | 20:41 |
| deegee__ | vgrade: will have a fiddle with it | 20:41 |
| deegee__ | vgrade: thanks | 20:41 |
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| GordonS | so, hopefully there is an easy solution... | 20:44 |
| GordonS | is there a way that after you have installed libmeegotouch for it to *not* be used as the default style? | 20:45 |
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| vgrade | deegee, wifi has caused problems on n900 as well | 21:09 |
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| vgrade | not looked at it myself but BuBu has this line in his ks which sorted it for him | 21:09 |
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| GordonS | Does anyone happen to know how one tells a (local) Qt installation what the default style is? After I have installed libmeegotouch, I have to manually specify "-style gtk+" on everything if I don't want it to come up in Meego. | 21:11 |
| vgrade | echo "wpa_supplicant -ieth0 -Dwext -u -B >/dev/null 2>&1" >>$INSTALL_ROOT/etc/rc.local | 21:11 |
| vgrade | also I'm not sure if the kernel you have in that ks has the wifi mod in it | 21:12 |
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| Stskeeps | someone ought to report there is a dbus activation problem | 21:13 |
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| tripzero | GordonS, use qtconfig | 21:16 |
| GordonS | I tried that; it says "Desktop settings". | 21:16 |
| tripzero | iirc, you can select the default style | 21:16 |
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| GordonS | If I launch something built against the system Qt, it comes up in Oxygen (which is what my system settings is set to). | 21:17 |
| GordonS | But, if I launch something built against my local install, it always comes up in Meego. | 21:17 |
| tripzero | so select gtk+ ? | 21:19 |
| tripzero | i don't like hybrid environments | 21:20 |
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| deegee__ | vgrade: interesting, will take a look | 21:23 |
| deegee__ | vgrade: my issue is that it initially wouldn't even enable wifi, the toggle switch kept flipping back to off... | 21:23 |
| deegee__ | vgrade: but after rebooting it's behaving itself now, and allowing me to add a new connection | 21:24 |
| deegee__ | vgrade: but it won't actually associate to anything | 21:24 |
| deegee__ | vgrade: I'll have a dig into whats going on later | 21:24 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, yes I did see somthing today about someone asking what brought wifi up | 21:28 |
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| MMatan | hi, can i use Nokia Qt SDK to make Handset MeeGo apps? | 22:10 |
| CosmoHill | I believe so but I'm not the person to ask | 22:11 |
| ali1234 | more or less, yes | 22:11 |
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| MMatan | So, Nokia Qt SDK or so MeeGo SDK | 22:12 |
| MMatan | I want making apps for handset | 22:13 |
| ali1234 | do you want to make apps in Qt? | 22:14 |
| MMatan | Yup, Qt and C++ | 22:14 |
| ali1234 | well the nokia sdk is probably easier to use for that | 22:15 |
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| ali1234 | it might not be 100% compatible with meego but you are unlikely to run into any real issues and recompiling the code with meego sdk should be trivial anyway | 22:15 |
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| ali1234 | otoh meego sdk lets you make apps using other libraries than qt | 22:15 |
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| luist | hey guys... im using garage with a custom list and repository, with many applications... it happens that after installing/removing some applications, it gets stuck and the next application i try to install goes to the queue and nothing happens after... it stays at "Installing ..." can anyone help me with that? | 22:24 |
| MMatan | thx ali1234 | 22:24 |
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| ColdSun | Hello, does anyone know if the garage has an ebook reader or if there is an ebook reader app for meego yet? | 22:28 |
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| ColdSun | anyone here? :) | 22:37 |
| andre__ | patience. | 22:37 |
| andre__ | butI"m not aware of one. | 22:38 |
| ColdSun | i was thinking fbreader might work on it | 22:39 |
| ColdSun | since it works on so many linux distros | 22:39 |
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| CosmoHill | thanks Stskeeps | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | wang? | 22:51 |
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| Stskeeps | ColdSun: should be trivial to package up if not | 22:51 |
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| CosmoHill | wand* | 22:53 |
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| sabayonuser | hello | 22:59 |
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| sabayonuser | is meego a livecd? | 22:59 |
| arjan | yes | 23:00 |
| arjan | well | 23:00 |
| arjan | your question is rather imprecise ) | 23:00 |
| arjan | meego publishes images for releases and prereleases | 23:01 |
| arjan | and those images could be called installable livecds | 23:01 |
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| sabayonuser | i mean can i just create a live cd so i can test/play around, like other linux distros | 23:04 |
| ColdSun | thanks stskeeps | 23:05 |
| ColdSun | i was very impressed and excited after watching some of the meego videos | 23:06 |
| ColdSun | im not a huge fan of android (coldsun ducks) | 23:06 |
| sabayonuser | arjan: i just wanted to play around with a live cd that i can boot from a desktop | 23:06 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, cheers, man! | 23:06 |
| sabayonuser | ColdSun: where are these videos, Youtube? | 23:06 |
| ColdSun | yes | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | ColdSun: don't i know you from q5/q7? | 23:07 |
| ColdSun | i watched the netbook videos as i have an asus eee 1005pe | 23:08 |
| ColdSun | yes stskeeps :) i write many mobile device reviews - especially slanted to ebook reading | 23:08 |
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| ColdSun | i have too many devices laying around actually :P | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | ColdSun: yeah, i recall. used to do Mer and now doing meego for n900/arm professionally | 23:08 |
| ColdSun | well keep up the good work man | 23:09 |
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| ColdSun | and please dont give up meego - android is no good for tablets and netbooks! (IMHO) | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | tink ivi desktop would be cool for something like smart r5 | 23:10 |
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| Stskeeps | for reading ebooks | 23:10 |
| Nexus1 | sabayonuser: Yes you can just download and burn the image | 23:10 |
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| ColdSun | the r5 seems a bit overpriced | 23:11 |
| Nexus1 | But I think it has to be an intel CPU with ss3 | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | ColdSun: think there is too much commercial interest in meego for it just to die :) | 23:11 |
| ColdSun | good! | 23:11 |
| ColdSun | i would love to skin meego | 23:11 |
| ColdSun | will it have custom skinning abilities? | 23:11 |
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| Stskeeps | for handset ux, the theming framework is quite flexible | 23:12 |
| ColdSun | if they come out with windows IDE i might even write applications for it | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | there should be something integrated with qt creator i believe | 23:13 |
| ColdSun | thats what i do when im not fooling around with reviews (my real job is as a developer here at Dell) | 23:13 |
| taljurf | stskeep, what theming framework is available? | 23:13 |
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| sabayonuser | Nexus1: i have a dell p4 1.7Ghz, 1Gig Ram, nvidia, | 23:14 |
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| taljurf | Stskeeps, ^^^ | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | taljurf: you need to look into meegotouch-theme etc | 23:15 |
| taljurf | the pacakge? | 23:15 |
| taljurf | ok | 23:15 |
| taljurf | Stskeeps, btw, ii've tried the handset sdk | 23:16 |
| taljurf | needs a lot of work | 23:16 |
| taljurf | many apps dont work in the emulator | 23:16 |
| taljurf | many icons don't show up | 23:16 |
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| nuovodna | will be the pyGtk apps supported on meego ? | 23:18 |
| Nexus1 | sabayonuser: I dont think it will work because that's a pretty old CPU | 23:19 |
| Nexus1 | sabayonuser: But you can try it | 23:20 |
| sabayonuser | well.. if it is not going to work then i would rather not waste a cd :)... but the netbooks are so under powered | 23:21 |
| sabayonuser | how come it works on that | 23:21 |
| sabayonuser | i wasn't going to install it.. just burn to live cd and play around | 23:22 |
| sabayonuser | is that possible | 23:22 |
| taljurf | sabayonuser, talking about meego netbook? | 23:22 |
| sabayonuser | no.. just any netbook | 23:23 |
| taljurf | i mean you wanna try meego? | 23:23 |
| sabayonuser | i mean it boots off a usb on any of these hardware.. right? | 23:23 |
| sabayonuser | yes | 23:23 |
| sabayonuser | i wanna try a livecd if possible | 23:24 |
| taljurf | well, i installed moblin on my netbook | 23:24 |
| Nexus1 | sabayonuser: Was the computer you told me a netbook? | 23:24 |
| sabayonuser | i know it can be burnt to a usb | 23:24 |
| taljurf | ur pc's specs are better than my netbook's specs | 23:24 |
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| sabayonuser | i was wondering if the live cd will play on my dell p4 1.7Ghz, 1Gig Ram, nvidia, | 23:24 |
| sabayonuser | taljurf: that's what i meant.. so it should work fine,, right? | 23:25 |
| Nexus1 | sabayonuser: Is this a desktop? | 23:25 |
| sabayonuser | so i can go ahead an dld and burn | 23:25 |
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| sabayonuser | yes | 23:25 |
| taljurf | mine is Intel atom 1.6, 1gb of ram, integrated intel graphics | 23:25 |
| taljurf | so urs are better | 23:25 |
| taljurf | does ur pc meet the minimum requirements of meego? | 23:26 |
| Nexus1 | You see intel atom has ss3 technology while the pentium 4 doesn't | 23:26 |
| sabayonuser | all the live Linux distros work fine on this desktop | 23:26 |
| taljurf | oh | 23:26 |
| sabayonuser | oh | 23:26 |
| taljurf | does meego require ss3? | 23:26 |
| sabayonuser | ss3=secure socket 3? | 23:26 |
| Nexus1 | taljurf: Tes | 23:26 |
| taljurf | sabayonuser, why don't u use a usb? | 23:27 |
| taljurf | so u dont have to waste a cd? | 23:27 |
| sabayonuser | don't hvae a spare one at the moment | 23:27 |
| sabayonuser | but the point is even if i did then i still have to boot it on my desktop | 23:27 |
| nuovodna | will the pyGtk apps be supported on meego handset? | 23:28 |
| taljurf | if it works, install it | 23:28 |
| sabayonuser | :)... gosh.. don't have room.. ::: poor guy here :::.. | 23:28 |
| taljurf | sabayonuser, don't waste a cd | 23:28 |
| Nexus1 | taljurf: Sorry I ment yes | 23:28 |
| Phazorx | is there a proper solution for multiple dhcp based networks and resolv.conf being blanked on reboot? | 23:28 |
| taljurf | Nexus1: obvious :) | 23:29 |
| sabayonuser | i just want to have a live cd handy | 23:29 |
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| sabayonuser | well.. CDs are 10cents | 23:29 |
| sabayonuser | i can afford that.. lol | 23:29 |
| taljurf | lol | 23:29 |
| Nexus1 | sabayonuser: Yes CDs are inexpensive so I would just give it a try | 23:29 |
| taljurf | are u in a good financial status? | 23:29 |
| sabayonuser | even if i have to go pinch it from a penny jar | 23:30 |
| sabayonuser | k | 23:30 |
| taljurf | if yes, go for it :) | 23:30 |
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| sabayonuser | i was just wondering if anyone had any experience using a live cd | 23:30 |
| taljurf | when i installed moblin | 23:30 |
| taljurf | i did it using a live usb | 23:30 |
| taljurf | i downloaded fedora moblin | 23:31 |
| Phazorx | and what do i do to adjust brightness if oem buttons are not functional and i don't see acpi handler in /sys/class/backlight ? | 23:31 |
| Phazorx | or even how do i go about finding a reason for that? | 23:31 |
| taljurf | and installed it easily | 23:31 |
| sabayonuser | btw, to create a live usb, is fedora the only choice? | 23:31 |
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| taljurf | idk | 23:31 |
| Nexus1 | sabayonuser: No almost any distro | 23:31 |
| sabayonuser | and do you hvae to worry about filesystems? | 23:32 |
| taljurf | but that's my first my first choice | 23:32 |
| Nexus1 | sabayonuser: Check out pendrivelinux | 23:32 |
| Phazorx | unetbootin sems to be a choice for UFD based linux | 23:32 |
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| taljurf | afaik, a lot of distros integrated moblin | 23:32 |
| taljurf | soon to be meego | 23:32 |
| sabayonuser | Nexus1: oh yes.. hear of that | 23:32 |
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| sabayonuser | *d | 23:33 |
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| sabayonuser | so liveusb-creator can be used too? | 23:34 |
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| Phazorx | sabayonuser: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ | 23:34 |
| sabayonuser | some of these live usb creators can download the image too.. is that advisable | 23:34 |
| taljurf | sabayonuser, the image would be a normal image | 23:34 |
| sabayonuser | Phazorx: thanks | 23:35 |
| taljurf | moblin is just something like KDE or GNOME | 23:35 |
| sabayonuser | i meant the ISOs | 23:35 |
| taljurf | so the iso is a normal iso | 23:35 |
| sabayonuser | as oppose to..? | 23:35 |
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| taljurf | creating a live usb or cd | 23:36 |
| Nexus1 | sabayonuser: I would rather download the iso off of bittorrent since it automatically checks the download | 23:36 |
| sabayonuser | ok.. cool | 23:36 |
| sabayonuser | taljurf: just wanted to know what choices are there for the usb | 23:37 |
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| taljurf | u mean distros? | 23:38 |
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| Nexus1 | sabayonuser: Ubuntu, linux mint, fedora, opensuse, pclinux, and many more | 23:38 |
| sabayonuser | when you burn an ISO to a cd the burner software has to tools to make it a live environment.. and similar for a live usb creator.. right? | 23:39 |
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| taljurf | burning an iso to a cd is normal | 23:39 |
| taljurf | u don't need any specail operation | 23:39 |
| taljurf | just burn it and boot | 23:39 |
| sabayonuser | Nexus1: i have all those on a cd/dvd// and they are great.. just waiting to get the optimum hardware so i can start installing some of these | 23:39 |
| sabayonuser | at the moment i am limited | 23:40 |
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| taljurf | but to a usb u should use a tool to make it bootable | 23:40 |
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| sabayonuser | taljurf: yes.. i have done many of those.. but never created a live usb | 23:40 |
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| sabayonuser | right | 23:40 |
| taljurf | first format it using this tool | 23:41 |
| taljurf | http://files.extremeoverclocking.com/file.php?f=197 | 23:41 |
| taljurf | to make it bootable | 23:41 |
| Nexus1 | sabayonuser: Ifyou have a live cd for ubuntu and mint, they have a preinstalled tool to create a live USB | 23:41 |
| taljurf | then use any usb creating tool | 23:41 |
| taljurf | btw, some creating tools can make it bootable | 23:42 |
| sabayonuser | Nexus1: and that tool can be used to create a live usb for any distro? | 23:42 |
| sabayonuser | taljurf: cool | 23:42 |
| taljurf | in my case, when i create a bootable fedora usb | 23:42 |
| taljurf | i use the hp tool first | 23:42 |
| sabayonuser | i saw a little demo for the "sugar on a stick" | 23:43 |
| taljurf | then, i use fedora liveusb creator | 23:43 |
| sabayonuser | they used "liveusb-creator" | 23:43 |
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| sabayonuser | ah | 23:43 |
| sabayonuser | :) | 23:43 |
| taljurf | yea, that's the one i use | 23:43 |
| GordonS | tripzero: sorry, went afk... | 23:43 |
| taljurf | then u have a ready live usb :) | 23:43 |
| Nexus1 | sabayonuser: I'm not sure, think it's only for that distro | 23:43 |
| sabayonuser | Nexus1: i c | 23:44 |
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| taljurf | Nexus1: what is it? | 23:44 |
| GordonS | I don't much like multiple environments either, but I can't exactly have a different OS install for each version of Qt that I need... | 23:44 |
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| sabayonuser | so meego and moblin are similar? | 23:44 |
| taljurf | they're now merged :) | 23:44 |
| Nexus1 | sabayonuser: Yes they are very similar | 23:45 |
| taljurf | moblin was release a year ago | 23:45 |
| sabayonuser | oh | 23:45 |
| taljurf | meego, still to come :) | 23:45 |
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| Nexus1 | taljurf: I don't remember but I think it's under system >admin | 23:45 |
| tripzero | GordonS, yeah, i usually install a distro which has the latest | 23:46 |
| tripzero | and use that | 23:46 |
| sabayonuser | moblin 2.1 release on nov, 2009 is the latest? | 23:46 |
| taljurf | Nexus1: what is it? | 23:46 |
| tripzero | or, i backport qt from a future-possibly-still-alpha distro to my stable one | 23:46 |
| GordonS | well... first, I need Meego libs, and second, I need to be able to target different Qt versions depending on the customer... | 23:46 |
| Nexus1 | Nexus1: USB creator | 23:47 |
| ScottishDuck | was there supposed to be a 1.0.80.15 build today? | 23:47 |
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| GordonS | I already have three OSes installed natively on this machine :) | 23:47 |
| tripzero | GordonS, do you distribute binaries? i use a virtual machine if i need to target other platforms | 23:47 |
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| tripzero | but for development, it's all bleeding edge | 23:47 |
| GordonS | tripzero: no, but even with ABI compatibility, sometimes behaviours change | 23:48 |
| taljurf | Nexus1: i have it in fedora under Applications>>System Tools | 23:48 |
| GordonS | and I can't target bleeding-edge for a customer that I know will use 4.7 | 23:48 |
| ScottishDuck | wow, beta is only 6 days away | 23:48 |
| GordonS | or 4.6 even | 23:48 |
| thiago_home | trolls gone... | 23:49 |
| ScottishDuck | what troll? | 23:49 |
| ScottishDuck | The "you go?" guy? | 23:49 |
| sabayonuser | is meego IVI different from regular meego? | 23:49 |
| GordonS | he is a troll :) | 23:49 |
| thiago_home | Trolls | 23:49 |
| GordonS | indeed, par'n me, "he is a Troll" :) | 23:49 |
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| thiago_home | you didn't see 8 ping timeouts of "nat/trolltech" ? :-) | 23:50 |
| arjan | sabayonuser: ivi meego is just one of the verticals for meego | 23:50 |
| GordonS | indeed! | 23:50 |
| arjan | aimed at cars | 23:50 |
| GordonS | /netsplit Trolls | 23:50 |
| ScottishDuck | sabayonuser: may I suggest you stop using sabayon and start using gentoo | 23:50 |
| sabayonuser | so if i was trying out a live cd then which one to download | 23:51 |
| Nexus1 | ScottishDuck: Sabayon is gentoo based | 23:51 |
| GordonS | I still boggle at the idea of using Gentoo for a "live" system... :) | 23:51 |
| thiago_home | GordonS: you put the CD in, it starts compiling? | 23:51 |
| GordonS | it's great for embedded or heavily customized stuff though | 23:51 |
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| sabayonuser | ScottishDuck: i just happened to be using a livecd of Sabayon... | 23:51 |
| GordonS | aha | 23:51 |
| ScottishDuck | Nexus1: based yes, it uses binaries | 23:51 |
| GordonS | sorry, not quite what I meant | 23:51 |
| GordonS | I meant as in a normal desktop or server type system | 23:52 |
| Phazorx | ScottishDuck: more like it offers binaries as preferd option | 23:52 |
| Phazorx | but in general you get best of both worlds with sabayon | 23:52 |
| ScottishDuck | not really | 23:52 |
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| ScottishDuck | it's pretty shoddy | 23:52 |
| Phazorx | it's most hardware friendly binary based distro i seen at least | 23:52 |
| sabayonuser | ScottishDuck: i like it so far :) | 23:53 |
| GordonS | Phazorx: that *used* to be ... err... | 23:53 |
| * thiago_home should try his string-comparison optimisations on the Atom processor | 23:53 | |
| ScottishDuck | eh | 23:53 |
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| GordonS | I can't remember the bloody name | 23:53 |
| sabayonuser | pretty stable and has a lot of stuff on this live cd | 23:53 |
| thiago_home | on the i7, SSE2 is the fastest | 23:53 |
| ScottishDuck | GordonS: mint? | 23:53 |
| GordonS | er... sec | 23:53 |
| GordonS | Knoppix, that's the one. | 23:53 |
| ScottishDuck | I use gentoo because I like to tinker | 23:54 |
| Phazorx | knoppix is kinda gentoo :) | 23:54 |
| GordonS | but that's ~3yo information | 23:54 |
| GordonS | *blink* it is? | 23:54 |
| GordonS | I thought Knoppix was a Debian. | 23:54 |
| arjan | thiago_home: on i7, is sse2 even faster than the core i7 string ops ? | 23:54 |
| arjan | that'd be surprising | 23:54 |
| * taljurf proudly uses FEDORA! :) | 23:54 | |
| thiago_home | arjan: that was my result | 23:54 |
| arjan | doesn't match what we get by a mile | 23:54 |
| arjan | but hey ;) | 23:55 |
| thiago_home | arjan: SSE2 > SSE2 + alignment > plain code > SSE4.2 > SSSE3 > trying to optimise plain code with int loads | 23:55 |
| arjan | (I meant the sse4.2 stuff) | 23:55 |
| GordonS | taljurf: I realize that my experiences are not representative... but I have not managed to complete an install of Red Hat or Fedora since before there *was* a Fedora... | 23:55 |
| ScottishDuck | Fedora is a nice hat, unstable distro | 23:55 |
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| thiago_home | arjan: I've been reading the glibc assembly to see what crafy things it tries to do to the string ops, but nothing special turns up | 23:55 |
| taljurf | F12 and F13 are rock solid | 23:55 |
| Nexus1 | sabayonuser: I like sabayons theme, but in terms of user friendliness I like meego and ubuntu | 23:56 |
| thiago_home | arjan: and it's very hard to find examples of pcmpestrm (explicit length) | 23:56 |
| Phazorx | i still cant befriend meego to my hardware :( | 23:56 |
| GordonS | seriously... I don't have a single machine that can run it sanely | 23:56 |
| Phazorx | using sabayon liveusb as a rescue tool :) | 23:56 |
| taljurf | Gordons, ScottishDuck, Try F13, Rock Solid :) | 23:56 |
| GordonS | nothing with Intel graphics | 23:56 |
| ScottishDuck | nah | 23:56 |
| ScottishDuck | I'll stick with built from source, fully user configured :) | 23:57 |
| GordonS | too damn much work, I don't have time :) | 23:57 |
| taljurf | tried it ? | 23:57 |
| taljurf | what work? | 23:57 |
| thiago_home | arjan: do you happen to know if pcmpestrm will cause a #GP if part of the quad-dword is on invalid pages (beyond the explicit length)? | 23:57 |
| sabayonuser | Nexus1: not sure which one to download, (moblin, meego, meego IVI) | 23:58 |
| taljurf | sabayonuser, meego, i think :) | 23:58 |
| Nexus1 | sabayonuser: I'll give you a link | 23:58 |
| sabayonuser | does meego have everything that meego IVI has except the car stuff? | 23:59 |
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| Nexus1 | http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.0/meego-v1.0-netbooks-google-chrome-browser | 23:59 |
| arjan | sabayonuser: define "meego" | 23:59 |
| zariz | Hi. where i can find meego ivi documentation? | 23:59 |
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