| allandrick | well she boots up ok | 00:00 |
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| allandrick | but the touchscreen is borked again | 00:00 |
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| vgrade | not bad, meego upped on Archos A9 yesyerday with BuBu | 00:00 |
| allandrick | nice nice | 00:01 |
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| allandrick | the audio problem by the way: | 00:01 |
| allandrick | still there | 00:01 |
| allandrick | bluetooth not working well either | 00:01 |
| allandrick | can't configure a pin | 00:01 |
| allandrick | or find out what the default one is (that may be just me though) - not where I'd expect it in /etc/bluetooth | 00:02 |
| vgrade | yes, audio on my list, bluetooth not on my radar | 00:02 |
| vgrade | has jogger got BT | 00:02 |
| allandrick | nope, I paid the princely sum of 2 pound 80 pence for a 2.0EDR USB dongle. | 00:03 |
| allandrick | it's smaller than my thumbnail. | 00:03 |
| allandrick | (that was delivered, by the way) | 00:03 |
| allandrick | ebay is your friend. | 00:03 |
| allandrick | it half-works | 00:03 |
| allandrick | I can scan devices on the meego and see my phone | 00:03 |
| allandrick | but can't connect. | 00:03 |
| allandrick | likewise in reverse it doesn't go so well either | 00:03 |
| vgrade | i think getting wifi up for most ports has been difficult (n900) so I guess BT will be next, unless anyone knows better | 00:04 |
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| allandrick | I managed to get the wifi associated, but couldn't pass any traffic | 00:05 |
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| allandrick | is it a hardware support thing or just 1.0 blues? | 00:06 |
| allandrick | e.g.: would this work better on another set of hardware? | 00:06 |
| vgrade | 1.0 works fine on supported platforms, ie small list of netbooks | 00:06 |
| allandrick | I mean the IVI image | 00:07 |
| allandrick | that too? | 00:07 |
| vgrade | anything else (ie joggler, GMA500, AMD, ATI, nVidia, nonSSSE3) and your doing the heavy lifting | 00:07 |
| allandrick | gotcha. | 00:07 |
| vgrade | IVI also has a small list of supported platforms, ie new Intel SBC's | 00:08 |
| allandrick | you'd think companies like OpenPeak would be jumping all over it. | 00:08 |
| slaine | Atom N270 and Intel 945GME is the basic x86 hardware | 00:09 |
| * allandrick might have to go shopping. | 00:09 | |
| slaine | OpenPeak did have a media phone in the works for moblin | 00:09 |
| slaine | but with all the chopping and changing I've not heard anything since the IDF last december | 00:10 |
| vgrade | allandrick, check out the irc log for this channel, intersting chat on the very subject of hw | 00:10 |
| allandrick | right | 00:10 |
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| vgrade | Evening DawnFoster, | 00:10 |
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| DawnFoster | hey vgrade | 00:11 |
| CosmoHill | she's alive! | 00:11 |
| vgrade | you've missed it all | 00:11 |
| DawnFoster | oh good! | 00:11 |
| DawnFoster | I'll check the logs later. I've been at LinuxCon | 00:11 |
| CosmoHill | vgrade: you make it sound like a bad things | 00:11 |
| DawnFoster | on a related note ... | 00:11 |
| vgrade | what's new there | 00:11 |
| DawnFoster | We'll be having a MeeGo mini meetup at #linuxcon at 6pm today. Meet outside of Atlantic 2 & then walk to the Harbor Cruise together for anyone here in Boston at LinuxCon | 00:11 |
| DawnFoster | I gave a MeeGo talk this am to a packed room | 00:12 |
| vgrade | are you buying? | 00:12 |
| DawnFoster | and they are doing a MeeGo keynote right now | 00:12 |
| DawnFoster | the cruise is sponsored by Intel, so I guess, yes :) | 00:12 |
| DawnFoster | people just need to get their free ticket | 00:13 |
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| vgrade | vgrade, hops on a plane :) | 00:13 |
| thiago_home | is the keynote any good? | 00:13 |
| DawnFoster | you have 45 minutes to get here :) | 00:13 |
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| DawnFoster | it's a short 30 minute keynote, so not very in depth | 00:14 |
| DawnFoster | seems ok so far. | 00:14 |
| vgrade | :( I hate missing out on a free drink | 00:14 |
| DawnFoster | the are doing video, so you can probably watch it later | 00:14 |
| vgrade | can I claim it in Dublin | 00:14 |
| DawnFoster | it was probably livestreamed, which I should have mentioned here 30 min ago. | 00:15 |
| allandrick | what's in Dublin? :) | 00:15 |
| DawnFoster | vgrade - what makes you think we'll have free drinks in dublin :) | 00:15 |
| vgrade | meego conf | 00:15 |
| DawnFoster | ok, probably | 00:15 |
| allandrick | oh nice | 00:15 |
| allandrick | when's that? | 00:15 |
| DawnFoster | http://conference2010.meego.com/ | 00:15 |
| allandrick | thanks Df | 00:15 |
| DawnFoster | all the details you could want :) | 00:15 |
| DawnFoster | reminder: people need to submit sessions by Aug 23rd | 00:16 |
| DawnFoster | hint, hint | 00:16 |
| allandrick | hmm I'll just be back from DC that week so ... might be able to make it. | 00:17 |
| vgrade | DawnFoster, are you looking for hw demos for the conf | 00:18 |
| DawnFoster | not sure | 00:18 |
| DawnFoster | you might want to submit something as a session | 00:18 |
| DawnFoster | or do a hardware demo as part of the unconference sessions on wednesday | 00:19 |
| DawnFoster | if we get enough interest, maybe we could set up some area where people can do demos | 00:19 |
| vgrade | i've been putting the ivi,netbook and handset on the O2 joggler, MeeGo will not work on non-SSSE3 CPUs | 00:20 |
| vgrade | woops wrong link, http://www.youtube.com/user/vgrade100 | 00:20 |
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| allandrick | yay sda2 error ext2_lookup deleted inode referenced. | 00:22 |
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| * allandrick grumbles. | 00:22 | |
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| allandrick | g'night all, taking a break to finish a uni assignment. | 00:25 |
| allandrick | back week after next | 00:25 |
| * allandrick waves. | 00:25 | |
| vgrade | alandrick, put your stick in host and fsck | 00:25 |
| allandrick | will do mate | 00:26 |
| slaine | night folks | 00:26 |
| slaine | time for a big cuppa tea, some true blood and then off to bed | 00:26 |
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| DawnFoster | ok, I have to get back to linux | 00:26 |
| vgrade | night slaine, nonSSSE3 page nearly up | 00:26 |
| DawnFoster | later people | 00:26 |
| vgrade | enjoy the criuse | 00:26 |
| DawnFoster | thanks! | 00:26 |
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| slaine | vgrade: will you post to the -dev list ? | 00:27 |
| vgrade | wd | 00:27 |
| slaine | sweet | 00:27 |
| slaine | laters | 00:27 |
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| CosmoHill | can you be a intern after you? | 00:56 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, that is amongst one of the stranger posts you have made | 00:59 |
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| CosmoHill | uni* | 00:59 |
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| lcuk | now, it makes a bit more send | 01:00 |
| lcuk | sense | 01:00 |
| CosmoHill | ha! | 01:00 |
| CosmoHill | English got you too! | 01:00 |
| * lcuk facepalms | 01:00 | |
| lcuk | it always happens! | 01:00 |
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| vgrade | http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/nonSSSE3 | 01:28 |
| CosmoHill | I was expected "Supported Devices" followed by nothingness | 01:30 |
| CosmoHill | yay I'm already on there :) | 01:30 |
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| w00t_ | vgrade: ++ | 01:40 |
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| CosmoHill | w00t_: why do you have a tail btw? | 01:43 |
| w00t_ | CosmoHill: there's two of me | 01:43 |
| w00t_ | and only one of me tends to be in here | 01:43 |
| CosmoHill | physically or mentally? | 01:43 |
| w00t_ | I have two clients, one for work (or work related stuff), and one for socialising | 01:43 |
| w00t_ | in practice there isn't a great deal of difference between the two | 01:44 |
| w00t_ | but oh well | 01:44 |
| auke | I do the same | 01:45 |
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| lpotter | I only socialize when I work :) | 01:45 |
| auke | the other one of me trolls around anonymously :) | 01:45 |
| CosmoHill | it's plick! | 01:46 |
| lpotter | oh good. we can blame all the anonymous troll posts on auke | 01:46 |
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| auke | shush, no, this channel is no fun to troll | 01:47 |
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| creative1412 | Hello :) guys does Meego has a package manger? | 01:51 |
| CosmoHill | you mean zypper? | 01:51 |
| CosmoHill | or did you mean a GUI one? | 01:51 |
| creative1412 | so it has zypper? | 01:53 |
| creative1412 | like opensuse? | 01:53 |
| creative1412 | can i add the OpeSuse repos? | 01:54 |
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| bspencer | lbt: X-Fade ping | 01:54 |
| bspencer | hey guys, not sure what timezone you're in. | 01:54 |
| bspencer | I'd like to sync on community repos, obs server, and the ongoing work on garage clients, ocs, etc. | 01:55 |
| bspencer | wondering what time is convenient. | 01:55 |
| bspencer | for an irc mtg. | 01:55 |
| creative1412 | CosmoHill: can i add opensuse 3rd party reops? | 01:57 |
| CosmoHill | i don't believe so | 01:57 |
| CosmoHill | for example my distro uses RPM but you can't install rpms from meego or fedora | 01:57 |
| vgrade | bspenser, lbt is UK tz | 01:58 |
| CosmoHill | whilst it may use the same packager the actually packages themselves will differ | 01:58 |
| vgrade | also try on #meego-dev later | 01:58 |
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| creative1412 | CosmoHill: so the Megoo hasn't lot of packages :( | 02:01 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 02:01 |
| creative1412 | CosmoHill: i think i'll stick to Ubuntu then"unfortunately"! | 02:03 |
| creative1412 | hope fedora or SUSE make a meego remix soon:( | 02:03 |
| CosmoHill | actaully fedora are | 02:05 |
| CosmoHill | fc14 will have one, if I heard correctly | 02:05 |
| creative1412 | fc14 Thanks GOD! no more ubuntu soon :D | 02:06 |
| creative1412 | thanks CosmoHill :) | 02:06 |
| creative1412 | bye | 02:07 |
| CosmoHill | bye | 02:07 |
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| ScottishDuck | I wouldn't ever place my trust in fedora | 02:07 |
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| lpotter | there is already a meego based on opensuse http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/openSUSE-11-3-LiveCD-with-MeeGo-desktop-1048563.html | 02:10 |
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| bspencer | vgrade thx | 02:36 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm | 02:50 |
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| CosmoHill | I think if I build the cross compiler for CLFS with extra packaged need to start compiling RPMS | 02:51 |
| CosmoHill | and then started some of the required packages (gcc, glibc, kernel headers) as configured by meego | 02:51 |
| CosmoHill | i might then be able to compile and install the src.rpm files one by one | 02:52 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 03:19 |
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| TSCHAKeee | wth, meego won't boot, it times out looking for the mmc card | 04:03 |
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| thopiekar | moin | 10:02 |
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| thopiekar | I tried to install meego on my T91 but after the install Grub says that "Initial menu has no LABEL entries!" | 10:03 |
| thopiekar | how can i fix that? | 10:03 |
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| thopiekar | I got the ready made images for installation via usb from linux-tracker.org/.com and just dd' the image on my usb stick | 10:04 |
| thopiekar | vgrade: ^ | 10:04 |
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| thopiekar | now after a time it says "Could not find kernel image: vesamenu.c32" | 10:04 |
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| thopiekar | :S | 10:05 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:22 |
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| thopiekar | moin Jaffa | 10:23 |
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| magie_01123 | can u please tell me which dektop utilityeg gnome is used in meego | 10:26 |
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| thiago_home | magie_01123: mutter + moblin | 10:27 |
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| thiago_home | magie_01123: on the netbook edition, that is | 10:27 |
| thiago_home | on the others, it's mcompositor | 10:27 |
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| magie_01123 | thanks | 10:28 |
| * lbt finishes his looong commute to work and says "good morning" ... especially to Jaffa ;) | 10:29 | |
| magie_01123 | on IVI ? | 10:29 |
| thiago_home | mcompositor | 10:30 |
| magie_01123 | @thiago_home is mcompositor open source | 10:32 |
| thiago_home | yes | 10:32 |
| thiago_home | everything in core MeeGo is open source | 10:33 |
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| w00t_ | thiago_home: it isn't mcompositor on ivi | 10:33 |
| w00t_ | it's matchbox | 10:33 |
| thiago_home | it is? | 10:33 |
| w00t_ | yup | 10:33 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: :-p | 10:34 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: Nice short commute to work this morning: one bus ride. Admittedly, the bus is Swedish; and the office is in Stockholm... | 10:35 |
| lbt | heh | 10:35 |
| * Jaffa needs to find something touristy to do on his own on Saturday (or sit in the hotel room hacking on Maemo stuff) | 10:35 | |
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| magie_01123 | is there an SDK avialable for Meego IVI release? | 10:36 |
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| * thiago_home reads "customer inside before intel inside please intel guys" in meego-dev@ 3 times and gives up trying to understand | 10:37 | |
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| thiago_home | magie_01123: there's no application SDK yet | 10:38 |
| magie_01123 | ok thanks | 10:38 |
| fabo | you have more patience than me, I read the sentence 2 times and mail deleted | 10:39 |
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| magie_01123 | @thiago_home does the meego IVI use gnome also? i cud gnome in the ivi repository | 10:42 |
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| thiago_home | meego doesn't use gnome | 10:44 |
| thiago_home | meego uses some gnome apps in some of the verticals | 10:44 |
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| lbt | thiago_home: http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2010/08/are-intel-subverting-meegocom.html | 10:44 |
| TermanaN900 | you could gnome in the ivi repository? please tell me this process of gnoming in :P | 10:45 |
| lbt | since I implicated you... | 10:45 |
| thiago_home | lbt: so, the same applies to Maemo5 because the ARM images don't run on generic x86? | 10:45 |
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| thiago_home | lbt: but your proposal looks nice | 10:48 |
| lbt | I agree - but I thought the ARM port worked on a beagleboard | 10:48 |
| timeless | lbt: spell check | 10:48 |
| lbt | which is the generic equivalent | 10:48 |
| timeless | what's "Postition"? | 10:48 |
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| thiago_home | lbt: it doesn't run on armv5 hardware though, which in my opinion is the "generic" of ARM | 10:50 |
| TermanaN900 | Maemo isnt exactly an open project either though | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | what? | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | we have armv5 in meego :) | 10:51 |
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| thiago_home | anyway, I've said all along I agree with you that there should be a generic-x86 build, clearly labelled for developers | 10:52 |
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| TermanaN900 | Stskeeps, whos the what towards? :P | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | thiago, i guess :) | 10:52 |
| TermanaN900 | ah ok :P i thought it was to what i said | 10:53 |
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| thiago_home | "Maemo isn't open" "we have armv5 in meego" <---- that would've been quite a non-sequitur :-) | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | oh, right | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | maemo5 | 10:53 |
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| thiago_home | lbt: btw, http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/blobs/4.7/src/gui/image/qimage_ssse3.cpp | 10:55 |
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| thiago_home | 4x improvement in performance | 10:55 |
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| lbt | thiago_home: In what? | 10:56 |
| lbt | boot time? :) | 10:56 |
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| thiago_home | in converting 24bpp RGB to 32bpp RGB | 10:57 |
| lbt | But the performance claim is not seen as the issue... we accept that optimisation improves performance | 10:57 |
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| lbt | however it decreases acceptance and takeup | 10:57 |
| thiago_home | we did a similar thing for ARM and got 700% improvement though :-) | 10:57 |
| lbt | heh | 10:57 |
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| thiago_home | but we had to write assembly | 10:59 |
| thiago_home | gcc dumped the intrinsics to memory, so it was pointless | 10:59 |
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| lbt | thiago_home: #ifdef QT_HAVE_SSSE3 hmmm .... that looks so "wrong" | 11:02 |
| thiago_home | why? | 11:02 |
| lbt | QT_HAVE_VECTORSPEEDUP | 11:02 |
| lbt | ...ssse3...ssse4....amdse4 | 11:02 |
| thiago_home | there's one for each | 11:03 |
| thiago_home | MMX, 3dnow!, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, AVX | 11:03 |
| lbt | I'm not an experienced enough sw engineer to criticise though | 11:04 |
| lbt | and that's in the platform library anyhow... | 11:04 |
| lbt | so it doesn't affect user code | 11:04 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, qt code has lots of specific optimisations which do nice things when available :D | 11:05 |
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| thiago_home | see http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/blobs/4.7/src/gui/image/qimage_sse2.cpp | 11:05 |
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| thiago_home | in this part of the code, there's CPU detection | 11:06 |
| thiago_home | it will build all versions and run the ones your processor can run | 11:06 |
| thiago_home | in qstring.cpp, it's not detected. If you build with SSE2, you must run on an SSE2 processor | 11:06 |
| lbt | so how's that not generic x86 *with atom optimisation* | 11:06 |
| lbt | which is what I'd expect to see | 11:06 |
| * thiago_home needs to commute to the office | 11:07 | |
| lbt | l8r :) | 11:07 |
| lbt | are you there yet? | 11:07 |
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| slaine | morning folks | 11:07 |
| kanuuna | Morning. | 11:09 |
| kanuuna | Is there gnome-open, xdg-open or similar in meego for opening a file? And what might it be? :) | 11:09 |
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| dcthang | hello all | 11:14 |
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| dcthang | anybody knows where I can get kde package for meego? | 11:14 |
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| thiago | lbt: now I am | 11:28 |
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| lbt | not a bad journey then :) | 11:28 |
| thiago | 20-minute commute | 11:28 |
| fabo | dcthang: KDE isn't packaged for MeeGo (yet) | 11:30 |
| thiago | nor does it make sense to be packaged | 11:30 |
| dcthang | oh I just wonder if i want to use koffice there in meego | 11:30 |
| fabo | thiago: he's isn't the first one and why not on netbook? | 11:30 |
| thiago | plasma-netbook? | 11:31 |
| fabo | yeah | 11:31 |
| thiago | that might make sense. But MeeGo doesn't have to ship with every single KDE app, just as it won't ship with every app at all. | 11:31 |
| * thiago has tried plasma-netbook on MeeGo | 11:31 | |
| fabo | sure, we'll use the profiles as discussed on kde ml not the full kde stuff | 11:32 |
| dcthang | yes, may be kde lib is ported to meego? | 11:32 |
| dcthang | seems there are some useful apps people like to use | 11:32 |
| fabo | dcthang: look at kde mobile | 11:32 |
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| thiago | yes, they are being ported to mobile profiles | 11:33 |
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| dcthang | fabo: good news..since I would like to port some apps to meego as koffice for example | 11:34 |
| thiago | that is already being done | 11:34 |
| fabo | dcthang: afaik, there's freeoffice | 11:34 |
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| fabo | I don't remember the exact name... | 11:35 |
| dcthang | yes | 11:36 |
| dcthang | it is freoffice | 11:36 |
| fabo | right | 11:36 |
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| dcthang | fabo:the problem here is freoffice depends on kofficemeego and seems kofficemeego depends on kde libs? | 11:38 |
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| dcthang | anyway, fabo and thiago: thanks for your comment :) | 11:40 |
| fabo | dcthang: you're welcome. there's also #kde-mobile if you want to participate on the effort ;) | 11:42 |
| dcthang | fabo: sure, thanks :) | 11:42 |
| fabo | not very active but feel free to ask your questions related to kde there | 11:43 |
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| ChildOfGod | Can I have gtk widget within a clutter scene? | 12:12 |
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| bpeel | ChildOfGod: you might be better off asking that on #clutter on irc.gnome.org | 12:14 |
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| bpeel | i think it's possible with the latest clutter and clutter-gtk | 12:14 |
| ChildOfGod | clutter-gtk allows you to embed clutter in gtk | 12:15 |
| bpeel | ChildOfGod: it also allows you to do the opposite using the Gtk offscreen stuff | 12:15 |
| ChildOfGod | ok. Where can i look at an example? | 12:16 |
| bpeel | ChildOfGod: i'm not sure. you can probably get a lot more information if you ask ebassi on #clutter | 12:16 |
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| ChildOfGod | well actually there is no one on #clutter | 12:17 |
| ChildOfGod | bpeel: | 12:17 |
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| lcuk | thats because they had a tidy up | 12:17 |
| bpeel | ChildOfGod: it's on gimpnet on the irc.gnome.org server | 12:17 |
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| thopiekar | vgrade: ping | 13:14 |
| thopiekar | is it possible to install mic2 on fedora13? | 13:14 |
| thopiekar | there are just instructions for fc11 and 12 | 13:15 |
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| tekojo | thopiekar: yes, just follow the f12 guide | 13:37 |
| thopiekar | tekojo: k, thanks | 13:38 |
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| abhijeet | for last oneday i m experimenting with the meego handset emulator using xephyr | 14:04 |
| abhijeet | one thing i found that it is no way even close to the android beta emulator... | 14:05 |
| abhijeet | i m getting black screen if i m running any application from Qt designer to emulator | 14:05 |
| abhijeet | :( | 14:05 |
| abhijeet | that to be i m running the meego on intel graphics as mentioned at the site | 14:06 |
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| abhijeet | had anyone tried to run ur applications on the meego emulator | 14:18 |
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| CosmoHill | just an FYI; when you have a link to the channel logs, you can link to a specific line by clicking on the time stamp next to that line | 14:45 |
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| mardy | naba: all "[FEA] Accounts/SSO backend" bugs are currently assigned to you. I'll take them, ok? | 15:09 |
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| Trollkarlen | What the status of the MeeGo conferance ? | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | Trollkarlen: conference2010.meego.com | 15:11 |
| Trollkarlen | Oki maybe link from the wiki and change the wiki page for the same event ? | 15:12 |
| Trollkarlen | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010 | 15:12 |
| Trollkarlen | Registration opening soon!!! :) | 15:13 |
| lbt | mardy: hello... | 15:13 |
| lbt | SSO? | 15:13 |
| mardy | lbt: hi | 15:14 |
| lbt | are you working on sso then? | 15:15 |
| mardy | lbt: yes -- on the platform, not on the website | 15:15 |
| lbt | rats :) | 15:16 |
| * lbt wants LDAP for the OBS | 15:16 | |
| mardy | :-) | 15:16 |
| TermanaN900 | Is the conference being recorded for those of us unfortunately unable to go? | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | TermanaN900: hopefully it's not morons doing it like last year | 15:16 |
| TermanaN900 | Stskeeps, heh. Some people need to be using their n900s just in case! :P | 15:17 |
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| vgrade_ | CosmoHill, nice tip on the IRC log | 15:22 |
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| CosmoHill | :) | 15:22 |
| lcuk | vgrade_, not that I mind this time, but if you are going to add supporters to a wiki page and ask people to add themselves you could either mention beforehand or ask specifically for us to add our own names to it | 15:23 |
| lcuk | and yes, CosmoHill makes an excellent point about timestamp clicking, I almost replied to your mail last night - having people from email wading through a random irc log is troubling at best of times | 15:24 |
| CosmoHill | I just opened "find" and endter "21:17" | 15:24 |
| CosmoHill | entered* | 15:24 |
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| CosmoHill | is it just me or is Make 3.82 cause problems? | 15:44 |
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| J_P | hi all | 15:47 |
| J_P | What is the filesystem used in meego? | 15:47 |
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| CosmoHill | bftfs | 15:47 |
| CosmoHill | or whatever it's called | 15:47 |
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| Termana | btrfs? | 15:48 |
| CosmoHill | yes :) | 15:49 |
| J_P | CosmoHill: why not jffs2? | 15:49 |
| inz | Because btr is btr | 15:49 |
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| CosmoHill | I wouldn't know, I'm sure it has been researched tho | 15:49 |
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| chem|st | hey... | 15:52 |
| pavlix | J_P: probably because jffs2 is specialized filesystem not intented to be used on block devices? | 15:52 |
| chem|st | before I try! if I extract the 1.1_RC6 to mmcblk1p2 does that go for good? | 15:53 |
| pavlix | J_P: and probably because meego designers favored block devices for some reason | 15:53 |
| chem|st | as the wiki guides to the bare mmcblk1 | 15:53 |
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| J_P | pavlix: but meego will be used in smartphones, that will have a flash devices.. | 15:54 |
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| vgrade_ | sorry, lbt, I think the others did opt into doing something in the discussion last night and I had assumed you would be ok with me adding you after your blog. Won't happen again sorry | 15:56 |
| lbt | you're mixing me with lcuk I think :) | 15:56 |
| vgrade_ | vgrade, put on is glasses | 15:58 |
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| lcuk | vgrade_, sure, I am ever interested in moving things forward | 15:58 |
| lbt | I'm fine with it... but I am not sure why meego community 2" is doing an x86 release when the meego community | 15:58 |
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| lbt | 1 isn't | 15:58 |
| lbt | I assume that "meego community 1" is people with a core OBS account and "meego commity 2nd class" are the others | 15:59 |
| lbt | (I'd say rest of us but I have an account so I'm superior) | 15:59 |
| vgrade_ | or Meego community with meamo OBS access | 16:00 |
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| lcuk | lbt, do you have a monocle? | 16:00 |
| lbt | I should get one... | 16:00 |
| lbt | and polish up my accent for a presentation at the summit | 16:01 |
| lbt | ^H^H^H^H conference | 16:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | monocles ftmfw :) | 16:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | morning btw | 16:02 |
| CosmoHill | hey TSCHAKeee | 16:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | hey | 16:02 |
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| ShadowJK | J_P, even on raw flash devices, ubifs is far more sensible | 16:04 |
| ShadowJK | jffs2 takes a bit long to boot :) | 16:04 |
| sivu | stskeeps, awake? | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | sivu: sortof, sup? | 16:04 |
| CosmoHill | fat16 ftw | 16:05 |
| * CosmoHill flees | 16:05 | |
| sivu | stskeeps, could i have an account to api.meego.com and build.meego.com. i am having a hard time setting up our local obs without them | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | sivu: sorry, i am not part of meego IT. what exactly are you missing | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 16:06 |
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| sivu | i have our local packages in our local obs but i would need to set up package dependencies from meego obs | 16:06 |
| sivu | if i understood the configuration correctly | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: got any documentation on how to import packages? | 16:07 |
| J_P | ShadowJK: yes.. ibufs, unlike jffs2 is capable to enable and disable compression.. but about btrfs, why btrfs was the choice compared with jffs2/ubifs or others for example? | 16:07 |
| * lbt reads | 16:07 | |
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| lbt | sivu: indeed... | 16:08 |
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| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service/MeeGo_Setup | 16:08 |
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| lbt | I suggest using a mirror to grab MeeGo though | 16:08 |
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| lbt | so... that's what they said about lcuk | 16:09 |
| CosmoHill | what meego is who after? | 16:10 |
| * lcuk missing context | 16:10 | |
| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img :) | 16:10 |
| frals | hmm what did they say about the trout^H^H^H^H^H lcuk? | 16:10 |
| lcuk | frals, someone trouted me in #debian this morning! | 16:11 |
| lbt | nothing lcuk... nothing at all | 16:11 |
| lcuk | * jpinx-eeepc slaps lcuk around with a fresh trout | 16:11 |
| * lcuk uses monocle and eyes lbt suspiciously | 16:12 | |
| lbt | carry on laddie... | 16:12 |
| sivu | lbt, api.obs.maemo.org returns 404 for every project name i've tried | 16:13 |
| lbt | https? | 16:13 |
| sivu | yes | 16:13 |
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| lbt | sivu: what exactly do you mean? | 16:15 |
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| GordonS | so I am trying to build libmeegotouch... I am getting the error mlabelview_simple.cpp:293: error: ‘class QStaticText’ has no member named ‘setTextOption’ | 16:21 |
| GordonS | I can't find any reference to QStaticText ever having had such an option... | 16:21 |
| sivu | lbt, i can mirror the packages and create project but how can i get the project config | 16:22 |
| sivu | and packages defined in the project | 16:22 |
| sivu | so i can link to them in our own obs project | 16:22 |
| sivu | your link only states the obvious "Since this project is a target it needs a prjconf" | 16:23 |
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| w00t_ | GordonS: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.7-snapshot/qstatictext.html#setTextOption seems to think it exists | 16:25 |
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| lbt | sivu: I meant what is the api.obs.maemo.org problem? | 16:29 |
| sivu | osc -A api.obs.maemo.org meta prj Meego:1.0:Core -> 404 | 16:30 |
| frals | lcuk: :D | 16:31 |
| * CosmoHill goes to cut the grass, now that there's some to cut | 16:32 | |
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| lbt | sivu: spelling... | 16:34 |
| lbt | MeeGo has a biG g | 16:34 |
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| lbt | and you want the prjconf | 16:36 |
| sivu | ok got it | 16:37 |
| sivu | and how to recreate the packages in the project? | 16:40 |
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| fabo | lbt: I have an expansion error: have choice for pkgconfig(QtContacts): libqtcontacts-devel qt-mobility-devel | 16:42 |
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| lbt | you need to Prefer: one | 16:42 |
| fabo | lbt: I don't understand why as libqtcontacts-devel doesn't exist | 16:42 |
| lbt | ah | 16:42 |
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| lbt | you know what's going on with a "have choice" ? | 16:43 |
| fabo | no, no clue | 16:43 |
| lbt | conceptually the distro image should have only one of those choices in it | 16:44 |
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| lbt | the prjconf controls the building of the developement chroot and should be heavily influenced by the target image | 16:44 |
| lbt | so a Prefer: is a bit like a decision in a .ks file | 16:45 |
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| lbt | so that's the first point... OK? | 16:45 |
| fabo | ok | 16:45 |
| lbt | point 2... erm.... | 16:45 |
| lbt | :) | 16:45 |
| lbt | which OBS | 16:45 |
| fabo | MeeGo one | 16:46 |
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| lbt | prj/pkg ? | 16:46 |
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| fabo | Trunk:Testing garage-client-services | 16:47 |
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| fabo | use contactsd | 16:48 |
| fabo | g-c-s has another issue atm in Trunk:Testing | 16:48 |
| lbt | i saw | 16:48 |
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| fabo | fixed in my home dir then I have similar expansion error as contactsd | 16:49 |
| Trollkarlen | Where can i find a kickstart file for the handset ? | 16:51 |
| lbt | fabo : http://build.meego.com/package/show?package=libqtcontacts&project=Trunk%3ATesting | 16:52 |
| fabo | Trollkarlen: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.0.80.14.20100810.1/handset/images/ | 16:53 |
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| fabo | lbt: good catch | 16:54 |
| Trollkarlen | Thx, whats the difference between the diffrent versions ? | 16:54 |
| lbt | np | 16:55 |
| Trollkarlen | aava, netbook and shcdk ? | 16:55 |
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| Trollkarlen | Is there no arm images working yet ? | 16:57 |
| timoph | Trollkarlen: there is | 16:58 |
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| timoph | but not really ready for to be used | 16:58 |
| fabo | Aard: could I ask removal of libqtcontacts project? | 17:00 |
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| Aard | fabo: did you push qt-mobility? if yes, it can be removed | 17:00 |
| fabo | Aard: I guess Qt Mobility supersed this project | 17:00 |
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| fabo | Aard: yes, and we have expansion error caused by libqtcontacts | 17:01 |
| Aard | yes, then have it removed | 17:01 |
| fabo | ok, thanks | 17:01 |
| Aard | the point of my updates to qt-mobility was being able to remove libqtcontacts | 17:01 |
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| Trollkarlen | timoph: Where can i find the best one untill now then ;-) | 17:12 |
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| timoph | Trollkarlen: trying to find you a link to the instructions but I'm an a train and the networking sucks | 17:15 |
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| timoph | Trollkarlen: you can find the instructions from MeeGo forum and wiki | 17:17 |
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| ali1234 | vgrade: i'm interested in meego for vanilla x86 too. i keep hearing about how OBS makes it so easy but nobody can ever show any documentation how i should do it | 18:08 |
| ali1234 | i'm not bothered about making intel do it for me, i would be happy to compile the whole damn thing myself using my own resources if somebody would just tell me a way that actually works | 18:08 |
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| xDaReaperx | Hi | 18:55 |
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| amjad | hi | 18:59 |
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| _BuBU | Hi | 19:58 |
| _BuBU | any connman expert? :) | 19:58 |
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| lcuk | last night during the discussion, one of the things about performance was mentioned | 20:44 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> and working out how to operate in alternative resolutions *WILL* be needed when you get other devices onboard | 20:44 |
| lcuk | * bpeel is now known as bpeel_away | 20:44 |
| lcuk | <Stskeeps> lcuk: libmeegotouch already runs in alternative resolutions | 20:44 |
| lcuk | <Stskeeps> check devices.conf sometime | 20:44 |
| lcuk | I just did some testing in liqbase | 20:44 |
| lcuk | and running liqbase at 800*480 gets a framerate doing a certain task at 45fps | 20:45 |
| lcuk | running same task at 640*480 gives me 55fps | 20:45 |
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| lcuk | I do not have capbility to test this | 20:45 |
| UlfHofemeier | Hi | 20:45 |
| lcuk | can someone PLEASE try on n900 changing the parameter stskeeps mentioned | 20:45 |
| lcuk | and tell me if it does change resolution | 20:45 |
| lcuk | and if its a valid strong improvements? | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: that isn't what sets screen resolutions, just what resolutions it's expected to work with :P | 20:46 |
| lcuk | so then setting that parameter is first step | 20:46 |
| lcuk | what else? - even accepting a black line down the side | 20:47 |
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| lcuk | is it entirely down to the graphics driver? | 20:47 |
| lcuk | the yuv overlay mode can be coerced into stretch to fit (it just did it for me now) | 20:47 |
| lcuk | I have never managed or tried with rgb | 20:47 |
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| lcuk | I just mailed meego-dev | 21:10 |
| lcuk | [MeeGo-dev] Making meego fast - quick tests and lots of input needed http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-August/004797.html | 21:11 |
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| tyan_ | Trying to figure out how cellular will work in Meego, Will the isimodem driver in ophono work better than Maemo5 or is is just a wrapper to the closed firmwarekernel driver on N900? For example Maemop5 lacks SIM toolkit will this be possible to implement via libophomo on Meego on N900? | 21:31 |
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| Stskeeps | tyan_: ofono :) | 21:31 |
| tyan_ | woops yes :-) | 21:31 |
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| Stskeeps | tyan_: kernel driver is fully open, but the software running inside the modem is closed source, but on linux side, everything should be open | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | i believe sim toolkit is one of the requirements | 21:32 |
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| tyan_ | So we can only hope nokia improves the isi kerneldriver that talks to the isimodem then? Or hope they will use same isimodem in nextgen meego phones so we can backport kerneldriver to N900? | 21:37 |
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| Stskeeps | isi is the protocol spoken to them odem | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | modem | 21:37 |
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| vgrade | ali1234, there is a lot of documentation on the meego an maemo sites regarding setting up local OBS, http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service, http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Sysadmin_Distro/OBS_setup_openSUSE112 | 21:38 |
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| tyan_ | Stskeeps: so the isimodem spec exist in open? | 21:39 |
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| Stskeeps | not sure, think so? | 21:39 |
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| VDVsx | agrr, can't read the full proposal in meego conference website :( | 21:46 |
| * VDVsx blames Stskeeps :D | 21:46 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:47 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, there's some bug there, I was able to read the proposals a couple of days ago :D | 21:49 |
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| * VDVsx just registered for the conference :) | 21:50 | |
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| ali1234 | vgrade: and after i have set up a local OBS, then what? | 21:52 |
| luist | hello.. in running garage with my own repository and my list of applications... i have around 55 apps and after installing around 12 of them, all the images in the application unload, and all the Install buttons goes disabled... this is the strace -e open nbg output, check i the end the "Too many open files" can anyone help me to fix this? | 21:53 |
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| luist | http://pastebin.com/1h0ZAxyH | 21:54 |
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| Phazorx | luist: ulimit issue possibly? | 22:00 |
| luist | Phazorx: any change its a bug in the application? why does it keep opening the same cache images all the time? (before the error) | 22:01 |
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| luist | Phazorx: how can i set ulimit config file to increase the limit? | 22:01 |
| Mostafa | hi Meegos :) | 22:02 |
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| Mostafa | I want to test meego-menus translation for ex | 22:03 |
| Phazorx | luist: well i wasnt paying attention to that since i have no clue what the app does and how... but too many open files kind of makes me think of ulimit | 22:04 |
| Mostafa | is this meego-menus.mo correct name for it? | 22:04 |
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| Mostafa | to use i | 22:04 |
| Mostafa | it in locale directory ? | 22:05 |
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| luist | Phazorx: ok... how do i increase ulimit -n in a config file? | 22:05 |
| Phazorx | luist: you can probably set higher ulimit, but this is generaly advised for servers not a client kind of scenario... in your case it is probabyl wiser to figure out WHY it is happening rather tha deal with ulimit, so i take my initial cmment back | 22:05 |
| Phazorx | luist: same way you increase it anywhere else... make a shell script run it at some point when you think it is wise | 22:06 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, non ssse3 is one thing, but how do we get non powervr? | 22:06 |
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| Skyscraper | hi | 22:06 |
| lcuk | or happily running powervr on netbook image on netbooks that dont support it currently rather | 22:07 |
| lcuk | like the nokia netbook | 22:07 |
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| Skyscraper | is it possible to run the latest version of meego on n900? or do i have to stay at my first-day-ux? ^^ | 22:08 |
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| lcuk | Skyscraper, sure its possible, theres a prebuilt image now! | 22:08 |
| lcuk | and you burn it onto an MMC and boot via changing the kernel | 22:09 |
| lcuk | reboot and back to working n900 | 22:09 |
| lcuk | you can replace the kernel totally too if you like for all boots | 22:09 |
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| Skyscraper | lcuk the last version i build myself doesnt want to work ;) | 22:10 |
| lcuk | and even if you are brave, try to work out how to get full dualboot working | 22:10 |
| lcuk | Skyscraper, thats a shame :( | 22:10 |
| lcuk | try harder! :p | 22:10 |
| Skyscraper | that was some weeks ago | 22:10 |
| lcuk | it may work now then, you have all the obs stuff sorted I gather? | 22:10 |
| lcuk | how long does a full rebuild take? | 22:11 |
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| Skyscraper | hm... dont know... i think it has to download all 3xx packages... - so... 30-60 minutes last times^^ | 22:11 |
| lcuk | thats not too bad - including downloads? | 22:12 |
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| Skyscraper | yes | 22:12 |
| lcuk | nice! | 22:12 |
| lcuk | how long would it take self building directly on n900? *evilgrin* | 22:13 |
| Skyscraper | oh there are new files on nokia-page? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php | 22:13 |
| lcuk | yes | 22:13 |
| Skyscraper | theres an build from 3.8.2010? | 22:13 |
| Skyscraper | hm... but is there an wifi driver? or would it say again "wifi not supported on this device" :D | 22:14 |
| lcuk | Skyscraper, thats for you to work out! | 22:14 |
| lcuk | and yes, theres an August 3rd build | 22:15 |
| * lcuk mutters something about date formats ;) | 22:15 | |
| Skyscraper | hm... when its on the nokia-page it should work on n900 ;) | 22:15 |
| Skyscraper | german date format :p | 22:15 |
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| lcuk | Skyscraper, hey, progress | 22:16 |
| Skyscraper | hum.. theres no "dd" command in windows xD | 22:16 |
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| Skyscraper | lol i can download image and kernel and flasher in/for windows.. but i cannot "dd" the sda image to sd-card in windows^^ | 22:17 |
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| notmart | hi all | 22:23 |
| notmart | somebody knows where i can signal problems on the meego conference registration website? | 22:23 |
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| lbt | notmart: here is good | 22:24 |
| lbt | what's up? | 22:24 |
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| notmart | lbt: i submitted a session proposal but it seems it did hate all the text, leaving just the title (with some nice php warnings) | 22:25 |
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| notmart | it doesn't seem possible to view details of submitted proposals as well (while untile earlier today was) | 22:26 |
| lbt | do you have the text saved? | 22:26 |
| notmart | of the php errors? | 22:26 |
| lbt | no... yours | 22:26 |
| notmart | uh, unfortunately not :/ | 22:26 |
| notmart | my text yes | 22:26 |
| lbt | that's the important thing :) | 22:26 |
| lbt | keep an eye out for Dawnfoster | 22:27 |
| notmart | lbt: on this channel? | 22:27 |
| lbt | yes | 22:27 |
| notmart | okie :) | 22:27 |
| lcuk | dawnfoster is travelling afaik, according to twitter, she may pop on from airport.. | 22:27 |
| lbt | ah, in that case, X-Fade may be able to point at others... | 22:27 |
| * lbt goes to feed cat | 22:27 | |
| lcuk | errr rather, "get a little work done" in her words | 22:27 |
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| notmart | X-Fade: ^^ any ideas? | 22:28 |
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| Skyscraper | hm... downing image from nokia page... about 1 hour left | 22:32 |
| vgrade | lcuk, MeeGo Nokia Booklet video here, http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vgrade | 22:32 |
| lcuk | mmm vgrade so what was I hearing that it doesnt work? | 22:33 |
| lcuk | thats excellent btw! | 22:33 |
| lcuk | lol Skyscraper so it was just as fast to down packages and build | 22:34 |
| Skyscraper | yes... XD - downing that pre-builded image from nokia is very slow... but maybe... my bro is downing something from msdnaa when its not finished already | 22:35 |
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| lcuk | Skyscraper, awesome | 22:36 |
| vgrade | lcuk, more and more targets comming up BuBu and I got MeeGo up on Archos A9 a couple of days ago | 22:36 |
| lcuk | BuBu? | 22:36 |
| * lbt doesn't know why he's mildy surprised that dd'ing a VM image over netcat to another machine "just worked" | 22:36 | |
| Skyscraper | is it possible to run meego on EVERY atom-based netbook? | 22:36 |
| lcuk | lbt, did your monacle fall out? | 22:36 |
| lbt | my 'tache stood up! | 22:36 |
| lcuk | o_O | 22:37 |
| lcuk | by jove, thats impressive | 22:37 |
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| vgrade | http://www.openaos.org/ | 22:37 |
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| lcuk | vgrade, i dont want to read a site to find out what bubu is | 22:38 |
| lcuk | but I see its a person | 22:38 |
| lcuk | thats not you? | 22:38 |
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| GAN900 | Skyscraper, not officially, not. | 22:41 |
| Skyscraper | hm... | 22:41 |
| Skyscraper | i have 2 atom netbooks | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | zimmerle: ping | 22:41 |
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| Skyscraper | one with atom N270 and one with atom 330 | 22:43 |
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| Stskeeps | zimmerle: you had working prelink on maemo? | 22:44 |
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| GAN900 | Netbook with a 330? | 22:50 |
| Skyscraper | yes | 22:51 |
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| Skyscraper | GAN900 its the ASUS EeePC 1201N Seashell - Atom330 Dualcore with NVIDIA ION chipset | 22:53 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: did you see notmart's issue... just in case the others don't notice | 22:54 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: sorry, i don't have anything to do with the website. best way is to poke Amy, Mike Shaver and Dawn | 22:54 |
| ShadowJK | ion is problematic | 22:55 |
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| notmart | Stskeeps: an email i can write to? | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | notmart: actually, there's a bug tracker | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | hang on | 22:57 |
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| notmart | ah, nice | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | http://bugs.meego.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=conference2010.meego.com | 22:57 |
| notmart | Stskeeps: okie thx i will report it there | 22:58 |
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| notmart | done http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5219 | 23:07 |
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| CosmoHill | 200m away there is a Ford Focus WRC car :D | 23:30 |
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| Skyscraper | hm... dd under windows seems impossible | 23:48 |
| lbt | cygwin | 23:48 |
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| lbt | "makes life bearable" | 23:49 |
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| Skyscraper | trying http://www.chrysocome.net/dd at the moment... seems to do anything... but dont know what :D | 23:49 |
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| lbt | ugh | 23:49 |
| Skyscraper | i'm searching for an windows 7 ext3 driver right now | 23:50 |
| lbt | oh, I thought it was using DOS \args.... I apologise to chrysocome | 23:50 |
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| lbt | Skyscraper: wubi | 23:51 |
| Skyscraper | hm... output of windows-dd from that site: Error writing file: 87 Falscher Parameter 415040+0 records in 415039+0 records out | 23:51 |
| ali1234 | colinux + samba? | 23:51 |
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| Skyscraper | maybe theres a windows gui app like dd for linux | 23:53 |
| Skyscraper | ? | 23:53 |
| ali1234 | what are you actually trying to do? | 23:53 |
| lbt | cygwin is a gui | 23:53 |
| lbt | it presents a shell in a window | 23:53 |
| Skyscraper | i know cygwin... thats not a real GUI... its a CLI :p | 23:54 |
| lbt | you can resize it using a mouse == gui | 23:54 |
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| lbt | oh... and a minor point .... it works | 23:54 |
| Skyscraper | rofl | 23:54 |
| Skyscraper | cygwin is really big... dont want to install it now | 23:54 |
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| ali1234 | lbt: i'm going to try yet again to set up OBS in a VM... would you recommend i use 11.3? 32 bit or 64 bit? | 23:55 |
| lbt | I'd suggest you read this: http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/Installation | 23:55 |
| lbt | and this: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Deployment | 23:55 |
| ali1234 | so you recommend i use 11.2? | 23:55 |
| lbt | 11.3 is probably a safe choice now | 23:56 |
| ali1234 | and there should be no issues running 64 bit? | 23:56 |
| lbt | ISTR some minor issues but I think that was a different application | 23:56 |
| lbt | 64 bit is fine | 23:56 |
| ali1234 | thanks, that's all i wanted to know :) | 23:56 |
| Skyscraper | whats wrong when i use the windows-dd? i typed dd if=C:\pathtoimage.raw of=\\.\Volume{id} bs=4096 ... do i have to write 4096k ? | 23:56 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 23:57 |
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| ali1234 | Skyscraper: bs=4096 will be in bytes so yeah... if it supports "k" prefix... otherwise multiply by 1024. but bs should not actually affect anything other than the time it takes to copy | 23:58 |
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| Skyscraper | ali1234: but why windows-dd crashes with: Error writing file: 87 Falscher Parameter 415040+0 records in 415039+0 records out | 23:59 |
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| lbt | spaces? | 23:59 |
| ali1234 | i'm not sure what "87 Falscher" means | 23:59 |
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