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| lcuk | thanks CosmoHill, i needed that | 00:02 |
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| CosmoHill | I have strongbow and birthday cake | 00:03 |
| lcuk | birthday today? | 00:03 |
| lcuk | or leftovers | 00:03 |
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| CosmoHill | friend's pre-birthday cake | 00:04 |
| CosmoHill | turns out he made his own cake :) | 00:04 |
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| lcuk | the cake is a lie! | 00:04 |
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| RicardoS | hello everyone | 00:20 |
| RicardoS | i have a quick question, need to solve a problem | 00:20 |
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| RicardoS | how do i set up a proxy server in MeeGo using the command line ??? | 00:20 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:12 |
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| arashed31 | It sure is active in here. | 01:53 |
| arashed31 | With development at this speed we'll surely beat other OSs | 01:53 |
| tripzero | irc activity is not proportional to development productivity | 01:55 |
| tripzero | ;) | 01:55 |
| arashed31 | I know, just teasing haha | 01:55 |
| arashed31 | I hope MeeGo gets mature enough soon. I'm giving up on Android. | 01:56 |
| tripzero | me too | 01:56 |
| tripzero | but... it'll take *some* time | 01:56 |
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| tripzero | Android was quite immature in the beginning | 01:56 |
| arashed31 | rumors say 3.0 is coming out this october. and the UI will be similar to the 3D gallery | 01:57 |
| tripzero | even the iphone's initial release could be considered Immature | 01:57 |
| arashed31 | It better have hardware accelerated graphics | 01:57 |
| arashed31 | yeah I still think Android is immature | 01:57 |
| tripzero | heh | 01:57 |
| arashed31 | It doesn't even have a built in world clock | 01:57 |
| tripzero | that's lame | 01:58 |
| ScottishDuck | Android 3.0 will be tegra2 hardware | 01:58 |
| tripzero | ScottishDuck, all android3 devices will be? | 01:58 |
| arashed31 | tegra 2 class | 01:58 |
| ScottishDuck | the one's that ship with 3.0 yes | 01:58 |
| tripzero | interesting... | 01:58 |
| tripzero | i wonder why | 01:58 |
| tripzero | is powerVR not powerful enough? | 01:59 |
| arashed31 | I just want something with actual media capabilities | 01:59 |
| arashed31 | the Galaxy S phones have a SGX540 GPU | 01:59 |
| arashed31 | which is the first Android phone with more power than the iPhone | 01:59 |
| arashed31 | It's all up to Android to put good use to it | 01:59 |
| tripzero | heh | 02:00 |
| arashed31 | Knowing Samsung though, they'll never be updated past 2.2 | 02:00 |
| drizztbsd | xda ftw | 02:00 |
| arashed31 | Worst company ever for software upgrades | 02:00 |
| ScottishDuck | tripzero: Google are getting access to tegra2 driver sources | 02:00 |
| ScottishDuck | and PowerVR are terrible at drivers | 02:01 |
| tripzero | are the drivers going to be open then? | 02:01 |
| ScottishDuck | unlikely | 02:01 |
| tripzero | or is it just a "google gets to peek" type thing | 02:01 |
| tripzero | ? | 02:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | man, i really hate this whole "only a few get to peek" | 02:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | yeah | 02:01 |
| tripzero | lame | 02:01 |
| tripzero | boo @ nvidia | 02:01 |
| ScottishDuck | it would be an improvement over PowerVR drivers though | 02:01 |
| ScottishDuck | a big improvement | 02:02 |
| tripzero | for android, sure | 02:02 |
| tripzero | well, maybe the android improvements will go upstream for once? | 02:02 |
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| arashed31 | I wish Android was better supported on lower end devices | 02:03 |
| ScottishDuck | haha | 02:03 |
| ScottishDuck | android and upstream don't mix | 02:03 |
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| arashed31 | I've got a Samsung Moment running 2.1. 3 months after 2.1 update comes out for the phone. They release the Samsung Intercept with a lower res display | 02:04 |
| arashed31 | and multitouch | 02:04 |
| arashed31 | and Sprint promises 2.2 | 02:04 |
| arashed31 | While the 8 month old Moment is already EOL | 02:04 |
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| ScottishDuck | get a custom rom | 02:08 |
| ScottishDuck | not hard | 02:08 |
| arashed31 | the dev community is almost non-existent | 02:09 |
| arashed31 | sdx-developers is pretty big actually | 02:09 |
| arashed31 | but not many have the coding skills to do anything other than fix a few bugs | 02:10 |
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| arashed31 | phone is rooted and running Froyo JIT | 02:10 |
| arashed31 | plus the ROM I'm running has a few other optimizations | 02:10 |
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| arashed31 | Anyone know what kind of hardware will be coming out for MeeGo? | 02:15 |
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| tripzero | arashed31, i don't think anything is publicly known at the moment | 02:19 |
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| GAN900 | Probably some Intel stuff | 02:22 |
| GAN900 | then probably some Nokia stuff | 02:22 |
| GAN900 | then maybe some LG stuff | 02:22 |
| tripzero | GAN900, in that order? | 02:22 |
| ham5 | whats intel hardware? | 02:22 |
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| ScottishDuck | that's a vague question | 02:23 |
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| GAN900 | tripzero, maybe. | 02:23 |
| GAN900 | ham5, Atom, apparently. | 02:23 |
| tripzero | :P | 02:24 |
| GAN900 | microlith, got one, thanks. :P | 02:24 |
| arashed31 | I want that dev phone | 02:24 |
| GAN900 | tripzero, Ask Again Later. | 02:24 |
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| tripzero | haha | 02:24 |
| GAN900 | Intel phones? | 02:24 |
| tripzero | the aava? | 02:24 |
| arashed31 | yeah | 02:24 |
| tripzero | heh, it does have some coolness to it | 02:25 |
| GAN900 | Except it's Intel | 02:25 |
| tripzero | its very much a dev phone | 02:25 |
| GAN900 | "Let's fix our shit idle power consumption with fast boot!" | 02:25 |
| GAN900 | "I sent you a text message." | 02:25 |
| GAN900 | "OK, let me just boot up my phone!" | 02:26 |
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| tripzero | GAN900, lol. i thought mrst idled in the mW range? | 02:26 |
| arashed31 | Sounds like an Android phone.... | 02:26 |
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| arashed31 | some manufacturers don't set up suspend mode properly | 02:26 |
| TSCHAKeee | tripzero: i never knew just what "dev phone" meant, until I got my GTA02 ;) | 02:26 |
| tripzero | haha | 02:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | "Does it dial?" | 02:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | "um.. that depends on what you mean by dial." | 02:27 |
| GAN900 | tripzero, not mw like ARM mw. . . . | 02:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 02:27 |
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| arashed31 | lol what was bad about it? | 02:27 |
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| GAN900 | It's an x86 phone | 02:29 |
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| GAN900 | that's all anybody ever needs to know. | 02:29 |
| tripzero | well, x86 isn't bad | 02:29 |
| TSCHAKeee | it needs a few more revisions | 02:29 |
| tripzero | its the power consumption | 02:29 |
| tripzero | the arch is quite useful for lots of things | 02:29 |
| arashed31 | I meant the Neo FreeRunner | 02:29 |
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| TSCHAKeee | moorestown was the first core that could even begin to be called low power | 02:29 |
| tripzero | it'll get better | 02:30 |
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| tripzero | especially when things become more SOC like | 02:30 |
| GAN900 | tripzero, the usefulness quickly curves towards zero with open source, though. | 02:30 |
| GAN900 | Mostly x86 is useful for running Windows. | 02:30 |
| tripzero | does moorestown even have an integrated memory controller? | 02:30 |
| GAN900 | /troll | 02:30 |
| GAN900 | tripzero, yes, that's part of what made it suck slightly less. | 02:30 |
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| tripzero | GAN900, agreed that open source makes arch less of an issue | 02:31 |
| arjan | tripzero: of course it does | 02:31 |
| tripzero | arjan, but gpu is still separate? | 02:31 |
| arjan | nope | 02:31 |
| tripzero | on die? | 02:31 |
| arjan | yup | 02:32 |
| tripzero | cool | 02:32 |
| microlith | SGX :/ | 02:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | yup, it's all on die | 02:32 |
| arjan | :( | 02:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | and yup.. it's SGX... | 02:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | PowerVR have the freaking market cornered on low power embedded 3d chips | 02:32 |
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| GAN900 | TSCHAKeee, Malil | 02:34 |
| GAN900 | ! | 02:34 |
| TSCHAKeee | that'd be great | 02:34 |
| GAN900 | I really hope they make some progress there. | 02:34 |
| TSCHAKeee | the mali200 isn't a bad chip | 02:34 |
| GAN900 | Love to see TI pick it up for OMAP4. | 02:34 |
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| TSCHAKeee | but it takes a LOT of funkiness to get it going in framebuffer | 02:34 |
| GAN900 | PVR is trashy and evil. | 02:34 |
| TSCHAKeee | and forget about X | 02:34 |
| GAN900 | Oh? | 02:34 |
| TSCHAKeee | yeah, a few of us got it going on the SmartQ V7, but sheezus, you have to steal a freaking BSP, | 02:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | hack things around to use /dev/fb0 instead of /dev/fb2 | 02:35 |
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| TSCHAKeee | etc | 02:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | etc.. | 02:35 |
| microlith | aren't the mali drivers closed too? | 02:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | lots of stuff so that we can basically...run....teapot :P | 02:36 |
| TSCHAKeee | yes. | 02:36 |
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| TSCHAKeee | and in a big slap on the face they released part of it GPL | 02:36 |
| arjan | microlith: that would be unlikely... they can't claim that it's "just" a port of a windows driver | 02:36 |
| arashed31 | SmartQ V7 has Mali-200? | 02:36 |
| TSCHAKeee | which part, you ask? the glorified memcpy wrappers | 02:36 |
| arjan | since ther eis no windows driver | 02:36 |
| arjan | memcpy is hard. | 02:36 |
| arjan | really hard. | 02:36 |
| arjan | so lets go shopping | 02:36 |
| * TSCHAKeee chuckles | 02:36 | |
| tripzero | ahk, so moorsetown is a SOC analogous to the pinetrail atom cpu's | 02:36 |
| GAN900 | Open source hardware would be nice | 02:37 |
| arjan | I never understood why people wrap memcpy | 02:37 |
| arashed31 | I wanna buy a Beagleboard | 02:37 |
| arjan | that's the most standardized function ever | 02:37 |
| arashed31 | and build it into a laptop or something | 02:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | arjan: because people are stupid | 02:37 |
| GAN900 | As soon as the Boomers die off I think we'll see a big jump in progress. | 02:37 |
| tripzero | arashed31, wait until the xM comes out | 02:37 |
| microlith | arjan: they could be using microsoft's four-parameter memcpy | 02:37 |
| arashed31 | it was supposed to come out a while ago | 02:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | i remember that little snippet of android's memcpy diff you posted a couple months back arjan | 02:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | laughed my ass off | 02:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | optimized? yes indeedy. | 02:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | you can cpy any value you want | 02:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | so long as it's 0x0 | 02:38 |
| tripzero | lol | 02:38 |
| arjan | oh mesa had that | 02:38 |
| arjan | they had | 02:38 |
| arjan | #define memset(a,b,c) bzero(a,c) | 02:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | hahahahaha | 02:39 |
| arjan | in a global header somewhere | 02:39 |
| arjan | that was funky | 02:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | ah that's right | 02:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | sorry not memcpy, memset | 02:39 |
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| GordonS | Someone please help, I'm goin' crazy trying to get screen resolution set right :) | 02:44 |
| GordonS | anyone game to help a Meego n00b (but old hand at Linux)? | 02:45 |
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| tripzero | GordonS, what have you tried so far? | 02:46 |
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| GordonS | well... :) | 02:48 |
| GordonS | I ran gnome-display-properties, and discovered that does Bad Things(tm) | 02:49 |
| tripzero | what hardware? | 02:49 |
| GordonS | and then found the bugs.meego.com entry which said "don't do that" :) | 02:49 |
| GordonS | umm... VMware? :) | 02:49 |
| GordonS | yeah, yeah, I know... | 02:49 |
| GordonS | suffice it to say that I don't have hardware which will run it natively, and I'm doing official development ATM. | 02:49 |
| tripzero | did you install the VMWare post install drivers? | 02:50 |
| GordonS | You mean the X11 driver? The image I got had it already. | 02:50 |
| GordonS | one sec, version number... | 02:50 |
| GordonS | 1.0.80.11.20100720.1 | 02:51 |
| tripzero | if you type xrandr -s800x600 does it work? | 02:52 |
| GordonS | mm, have to install it... but hold on, I've managed to *change* it... that's not quite the whole problem. | 02:52 |
| tripzero | oh, what's the problem then? | 02:53 |
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| GordonS | It changed successfully with gnome-display-properties, but on the next reboot the display initially came up briefly at 800x600, then changed to 1280x1024. The Meego UI was 1280x1024 pixels, but clipped at 800x600... | 02:53 |
| GordonS | so I nuked the monitors.xml file that gnome-display-properties created and rebooted - back to normal. | 02:54 |
| GordonS | now it gets really weird :) | 02:54 |
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| GordonS | Thinking that it had to come up initially at the correct resolution, I put in an xorg.conf file which specified to use 1280x1024... | 02:54 |
| GordonS | On the first reboot, it still came up at 800x600, so I nuked the xorg.conf file, thinking it hadn't worked, and rebooted again. | 02:55 |
| GordonS | THEN it came up at 1280x1024...! | 02:55 |
| GordonS | ?!?!? | 02:55 |
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| GordonS | so... for all that I don't understand what the heck it's doing, there's one remaining end issue... | 02:55 |
| GordonS | in any of these scenarios, if I run a non-Meego application, the fonts are HUGE | 02:56 |
| GordonS | it's like it scaled the fonts up, but not the widgets, or something like that | 02:56 |
| * GordonS rests fingers for a moment :) | 02:56 | |
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| GordonS | so I saw references that there *is* a tool to set the resolution... but I'll be buggered if I can find it :-P | 02:58 |
| tripzero | hmm | 02:59 |
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| GordonS | the real issue is that Qt Creator looks like @*$^&! at 800x600 :-( | 03:21 |
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| GordonS | xrandr does... *absolutely nothing*. :-P | 03:34 |
| GordonS | maybe I am doing it wrong :-P | 03:35 |
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| GordonS | what the... "xrandr -q" reports 1280x1024 mode at 0Hz?!? | 03:37 |
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| GordonS | I can't get xrandr to do anything at all... | 03:43 |
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| GordonS | guess I will try and run it at 800x600 :-S | 03:44 |
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| Sanjay25 | hi, I am facing some issues with GDM auto login with Meego OS. "I want to use GDM to login on meego desktop. But it says permission denied on GDM login UI. I could not input password, I have modified /etc/sysconfig/desktop, I added line -> DISPLAYMANAGER="GDM" and Update /etc/inittab, replace moblin-dm with gdm, On top of that I had installed all GDM packages." Please let me know if any other setting i have to do. | 07:14 |
| Sanjay25 | Thanks in advance. | 07:14 |
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| sanjay25_ | hi, I am facing some issues with GDM auto login with Meego OS. "I want to use GDM to login on meego desktop. But it says permission denied on GDM login UI. I could not input password, I have modified /etc/sysconfig/desktop, I added line -> DISPLAYMANAGER="GDM" and Update /etc/inittab, replace moblin-dm with gdm, On top of that I had installed all GDM packages." Please let me know if any other setting i have to do. | 07:36 |
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| perry753 | hi does meego support the Asus 1000? | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | asus eeepc 1000H? | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | or which | 08:53 |
| perry753 | its 1000 without the H | 08:53 |
| perry753 | mine comes with a 40gb SSD? | 08:53 |
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| perry753 | http://event.asus.com/eeepc/comparison/eeepc_comparison.htm | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | well, at least it has an atom n270 | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | so that's first step | 08:55 |
| perry753 | want me to try? | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | can't harm | 08:56 |
| perry753 | I'll just try it since I really want to see meego haha | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/Devices | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | looks like it's a supported device | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | well, or tested | 08:56 |
| perry753 | thanks | 08:56 |
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| perry753 | what browser is included in the regular MeeGo version? Chromium? | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | think so | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | meego netbook, that said | 09:03 |
| perry753 | No Opera :( | 09:04 |
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| Stskeeps | opera's closed source, ask them to make a meego version | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:05 |
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| Sanjay25 | hi, I am facing some issues with GDM auto login with Meego OS. "I want to use GDM to login on meego desktop. But it says permission denied on GDM login UI. I could not input password, I have modified /etc/sysconfig/desktop, I added line -> DISPLAYMANAGER="GDM" and Update /etc/inittab, replace moblin-dm with gdm, On top of that I had installed all GDM packages." Please let me know if any other setting i have to do. | 10:02 |
| Sanjay25 | Thanks in advance. | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | may be useful to mail meego-dev@meego.com since this is third time you've been asking | 10:02 |
| Sanjay25 | thanks dear | 10:03 |
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| fabo | Sanjay25: plain text and with an informative subject is preferred | 10:10 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:19 |
| Termana | Good morning Jaffa | 11:19 |
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| sivu | moi jaffa | 11:20 |
| sivu | oh, different jaffa | 11:20 |
| sivu | in different ircnet | 11:20 |
| sivu | :) | 11:20 |
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| sivu | any OBS guys awake? | 11:20 |
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| tgandotra | hi everyone... | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 11:25 |
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| tgandotra | guys.. i would like to do something on the incar frontend... | 11:33 |
| tgandotra | can anyone give me some pointers on where to start ? | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | the IVI things? | 11:33 |
| tgandotra | i have no earlier experiance in meego development... | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | well, it's written in qt - i would recommend you to write to meego-dev@meego.com and ask how to get involved/where to start and stuff like that | 11:34 |
| tgandotra | Stskeeps i think yes that is what its called here | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | the source codes should be published to my knowledge | 11:34 |
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| tgandotra | a link to the repo ? | 11:35 |
| tgandotra | there is nothing mentioned on the website | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 11:35 |
| sivu | stskeeps, could you get the project config for Meego:1.0:Core from obs? why it hasn't been published yet | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/ivi/repos/source/ | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | sivu: isn't it in obs-prjconfs? | 11:36 |
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| sivu | to my knowledge, to access it needs special priviledges in the community | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't say special, just obs access | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | hang on | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/obs-project-config | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | mail anas nashif to have it updated if it's not up to date. | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | (and/or file a bug) | 11:38 |
| sivu | ah, thanks | 11:38 |
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| Stskeeps | (there's pretty good reasons why that -should- be published) | 11:40 |
| perry753 | hey Stskeeps let's say I wanted to code in an IDE, take notes in a class, write papers, and produce powerpoints... is MeeGo for my netbook? | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | perry753: i have no idea about netbook side sorry | 11:41 |
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| * Stskeeps does handset and core | 11:41 | |
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| perry753 | hmm.. | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | morning slaine | 11:41 |
| robster | perry753: no. | 11:41 |
| tgandotra | Stskeeps can you also help me in setting a dev env for IVI ?? | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | (i havent even tried netbook images) | 11:41 |
| tgandotra | :) | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | tgandotra: Qt | 11:41 |
| slaine | morning Stskeeps | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | and if .ks files doesn't exist, mail meego-dev@meego.com asking for them. | 11:42 |
| tgandotra | okk.. thanks | 11:42 |
| perry753 | robster do you think I could use another linux distro (like Arch or Fedora) or should I go install windows 7? | 11:43 |
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| perry753 | last time I wrote an essay on openoffice in Linux my window disappeared halfway through my essay and I forgot to save it | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | this is why you autosave | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:44 |
| perry753 | since then I've been using windows... | 11:44 |
| Termana | perry753, I would try something like Ubuntu or Linux Mint if your relatively new to linux. | 11:44 |
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| Termana | Maybe MeeGo sometime in the near future, but probably not right away. Then again, I haven't used the netbook images either, so they might be more ready than I thought :P | 11:45 |
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| slaine | not sure of what perry753 asked, but probably one of the third party meego releases would suit him better | 11:46 |
| sivu | stskeeps, i think there was an issue when you want to setup your own obs to mirror from meego obs and you need something specific from meego obs and the access is limited to special community people | 11:46 |
| slaine | Suse meego for example | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | sivu: agreed | 11:46 |
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| Stskeeps | sivu: which is why the gitorious thing is there | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | sivu: if it's not up to date, poke the right people :) | 11:47 |
| sivu | yeah | 11:47 |
| sivu | i will tell my slaves to do that | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | are you targetting x86 or ARM, out of curiousity? | 11:47 |
| sivu | arm | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | k | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | good bunch of us doing ARM stuff, some with own obs'es in #meego-arm | 11:48 |
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| sivu | ok, good to know | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | your target is application development or system development/porting to device(s)? | 11:49 |
| sivu | the latter | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | k | 11:50 |
| perry753 | slaine, it doesn't seem like Suse meego is released yet since moblin but thanks for letting me know | 11:50 |
| perry753 | it's actually exactly what I'm looking for | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | i've been meaning to start on the meego porting guide, at least for the arm side | 11:50 |
| slaine | perry753: from what I understand, it's only a couple of weeks out, if you can survive with just meego plain til then | 11:51 |
| perry753 | I'll do that, classes start in a month anyways | 11:51 |
| perry753 | thanks guys | 11:52 |
| sivu | stskeeps, also the obs documentation could benefit from having more content :) | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | sivu: have you seen the wiki pages? | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | as in, the meego ones | 11:52 |
| slaine | sivu, why not contribute | 11:53 |
| slaine | I intend to setup obs one of these days | 11:53 |
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| sivu | stskeeps, do you mean this? http://wiki.meego.com/Category:Build_Infrastructure | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | sivu: close, but there's http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Sysadmin_Distro/OBS1.8_setup_openSUSE112 | 11:54 |
| saurabh123456 | I am trying to run meego sdk on intel atom based notebook running ubuntu. I downloaded the sdk from ' http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux ' and followed the instructions given therein. But when I run the meego using ' startmeego' in chroot the xephyr starts and the keyring appears for a second or two and then the xephyr window blackouts. The output using the debug mode is here ' http://pastebin.c | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | saurabh123456: is it a GMA500 based notebook by chance? | 11:55 |
| saurabh123456 | Stskeeps: model name: Genuine Intel(R) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | saurabh123456: yeah, but i meant if it's poulsbo graphics | 11:56 |
| sivu | stskeeps, yeah i think the cloning from api.meego.com part is the hardest. there is no description of how to gain credentials to that server | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | sivu: agreed | 11:56 |
| saurabh123456 | Stskeeps: how do i check? | 11:56 |
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| sivu | and/or why it needs credentials in the first place | 11:57 |
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| Stskeeps | sivu: it's a 'bug' in OBS | 11:57 |
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| saurabh123456 | Stskeeps: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | saurabh123456: ok, that should work with SDK | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | sivu: generally, if you run into issues it's not due to malice - some of the 'access' problems is due to the fact central meego product OBS hasn't updated to later versions | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | best way to solve is by asking to highlight problems :) | 12:01 |
| sivu | yeah :) | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | if you need it at this instant, i can probably grab you a copy | 12:01 |
| sivu | that would be very helpful | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | Trunk and MeeGo:1.0:Core ? | 12:02 |
| sivu | yep | 12:02 |
| saurabh123456 | Stskeeps: The sdk uses scratchbox right? | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | saurabh123456: no, thank go | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | d | 12:02 |
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| sivu | stskeeps, if you want to email them you can use mikko.sivulainen@symbio.com | 12:03 |
| saurabh123456 | Stskeeps: Then what does it use? | 12:04 |
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| Stskeeps | sivu: no need, chances are you aren't going to be the last person to ask.. | 12:05 |
| sivu | :) | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | sivu: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/meego/1.0-core.prjconf , http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/meego/trunk.prjconf | 12:05 |
| sivu | thanks! much appreciated | 12:05 |
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| Stskeeps | saurabh123456: netbook SDK? chroot | 12:05 |
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| Stskeeps | sivu: and good luck with the porting to interesting devices, generally: start with the open n900 image and try to boot it :) | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | (if device is armv7) | 12:07 |
| sivu | stskeeps, i dont know how much i can tell you but we have the platform in pretty good shape already :) | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough | 12:08 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm from the meego n900 hardware adaptation team, acting maintainer | 12:08 |
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| saurabh123456 | i have an AMD 64 bit laptop and the SDK is running smoothly on it. How come is it possible wihout an emulator? Is the SDK platform independent? | 12:10 |
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| AstralStorm | nope | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | saurabh123456: well, the amd 64 bit laptop seemingily has enough support to run meego system binaries, it seems | 12:13 |
| sivu | stskeeps, i know lots of people from the nokia meego team, some personally, some thru work | 12:13 |
| AstralStorm | exactly, 32-bit works on amd64 | 12:13 |
| AstralStorm | esp. multilib | 12:13 |
| AstralStorm | then, SDK will work | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | sivu: :nod: | 12:13 |
| * Stskeeps goes back to his nokia n8x0 port work | 12:14 | |
| Stskeeps | added a patch so environment variable decides if libmeegotouch should software render by default, makes proof of concepts easy :) | 12:14 |
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| AstralStorm | proofs of slowness more like | 12:17 |
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| Stskeeps | well, that can be a result too | 12:18 |
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| saurabh123456 | It looks to me like theres a problem in rendering window. is this a known sdk issue on resource constrained hardwares? | 12:38 |
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| saurabh123456 | the 'unlock keyring' window has reappeared after about 15 minutes , but is not responding to mouse clicks. | 12:58 |
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| jozefk | meego for nokia n900 is it available? is it ready? or still in development? | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | still in development | 13:37 |
| jozefk | when it is expected to be released? | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | along with 1.1, but development images should appear weekly before that | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | we're having a bad toolchain bug atm so | 13:39 |
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| jozefk | meego 1.1 will be the fist final release for n900 and other common phones? | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | it'll be the first stable release of handset, i guess | 13:42 |
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| jozefk | nice. how about the month or date? is it expected to be out soon or not really? | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.1 | 13:44 |
| jozefk | only few months. great! | 13:44 |
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| linuxcentos | Meego can only be run on Intel chipset right? | 14:10 |
| linuxcentos | Will Meego be suitable for my living room tv? | 14:10 |
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| CosmoHill | it maybe | 14:12 |
| CosmoHill | I think at somepoint there will be one aimed more specifically at TVs | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | linuxcentos: meego runs on both x86 and ARM | 14:12 |
| linuxcentos | i see | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | and it could technically run on other chipsets too | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | what is your living room tv? | 14:12 |
| linuxcentos | i see | 14:12 |
| tybollt | Stskeeps: Can linuxcentos download a fully UX-enabled working image for his N900? | 14:13 |
| CosmoHill | linuxcentos: for now you'd need a processor with SSSE3 (three 'S's) and an Intel graphics card (not GMA500) | 14:13 |
| linuxcentos | i just tried JoliCloud, from USB, everything just works, even 1920x1080 | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | tybollt: at this exact moment, no - but others have created images in the past | 14:13 |
| tybollt | CosmoHill: When will the Poulsbo issue be sorted - WILL it ever be sorted? | 14:14 |
| CosmoHill | tybollt: from what I have read there are "to many" GMA500 drivers | 14:15 |
| linuxcentos | does Meego support 1920x1080 on supported chipsets? | 14:15 |
| CosmoHill | I think intel have one or two they are working on themselves but I'm not in the best position to comment on that | 14:15 |
| tybollt | Still netbooks (_the_ reason why poulsbo was invented) is what Intel targets meego at, isn't it ironic? :-) | 14:17 |
| CosmoHill | intel outsourced GMA500 from another company | 14:18 |
| CosmoHill | this is the issue | 14:18 |
| linuxcentos | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poulsbo_%28chipset%29#Poulsbo | 14:18 |
| CosmoHill | do you read Phornix? | 14:18 |
| linuxcentos | from Imagination Tech | 14:18 |
| linuxcentos | Note: Currently, the simulator runs only on host systems with an Intel integrated graphics controller. It does not run with ATI or NVIDIA graphics controllers. | 14:20 |
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| linuxcentos | this stops me from running the simulator | 14:20 |
| CosmoHill | I've read posts where people have used it fine on ATi | 14:20 |
| CosmoHill | and there was a thread explaining how to run it on nvidia | 14:21 |
| linuxcentos | i got a Dell 380 with Nvidia Dual DVI card inserted | 14:21 |
| linuxcentos | but natively Intel gfx in it with VGA, then i can't use dual monitor | 14:21 |
| linuxcentos | really??? | 14:21 |
| * CosmoHill checks his logs | 14:22 | |
| linuxcentos | so people have managed to run it on Nvidia, nice :) | 14:22 |
| CosmoHill | via the simulator | 14:22 |
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| linuxcentos | what do you mean? | 14:23 |
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| CosmoHill | they ran meego in the simulater on a computer with nvidia graphics | 14:24 |
| linuxcentos | ah, of course | 14:25 |
| linuxcentos | :) | 14:25 |
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| linuxcentos | the point is to be able to test apps created by one in the simulator right? | 14:26 |
| CosmoHill | yes I believe so | 14:26 |
| linuxcentos | mm | 14:26 |
| linuxcentos | have you tried it? | 14:27 |
| CosmoHill | it's much faster to compile on a workstaion than a netbook | 14:27 |
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| CosmoHill | tried and failed | 14:27 |
| linuxcentos | yeah | 14:27 |
| linuxcentos | really? | 14:27 |
| linuxcentos | what stopped you then? | 14:27 |
| CosmoHill | I ended up with a black square on my screen and no meego GUI | 14:27 |
| linuxcentos | i see | 14:29 |
| CosmoHill | found it | 14:29 |
| CosmoHill | linuxcentos: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=767 | 14:30 |
| linuxcentos | but you were otherwise able to install the SDK, chroot env etc? | 14:30 |
| linuxcentos | thx a lot! | 14:30 |
| CosmoHill | you don't really install anything, just unpack a tarball as root and run a script | 14:31 |
| linuxcentos | i see | 14:32 |
| linuxcentos | i'll start this weekend | 14:32 |
| tybollt | CosmoHill: Moronix may be shitty... but it is nowhere CLOSE to the stinker that is (Intel && GMA500 && SGX), that's the worst shitshow in a year. :-) | 14:32 |
| Sanjay25 | hi all, Please let me know that from which file, meego is launching the panel appliction like zones, application,media,people etc | 14:33 |
| linuxcentos | http://w00t.dereferenced.net/meego-gui.png : which desktop manager is this? | 14:33 |
| vgrade_ | we are waiting for Intel embedded to releaase the EMGD drive which I have high hopes for | 14:33 |
| Sanjay25 | i need to stop few of them | 14:33 |
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| w00t_ | linuxcentos: compiz | 14:33 |
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| w00t_ | (or mutter inside the Xephyr session) | 14:34 |
| linuxcentos | ok, but compiz is just window manager isn't it? | 14:34 |
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| Sanjay25 | hi all, Please let me know that from which file, meego is launching the panel appliction like zones, application,media,people etc . actually i need to stop few of them | 14:35 |
| Sanjay25 | like in moblin these are launchin from "xinitrc" | 14:36 |
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| Stskeeps | /etc/xdg/ | 14:37 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: you can type // instead of " /" | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | i know, but i'm lazy | 14:37 |
| linuxcentos | where do i get the document to read about Meego and how it loads things? | 14:37 |
| * CosmoHill points to the brain scanner | 14:38 | |
| linuxcentos | i really wanna learn Meego all the way from boot/kernel to UX | 14:38 |
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| CosmoHill | from my past experence I understand up to the command line stuff | 14:39 |
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| CosmoHill | things like xorg, gui, wifi I don't understnad | 14:39 |
| linuxcentos | mm | 14:39 |
| CosmoHill | probably because xorg is 4000 packages and I think "sod that" | 14:39 |
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| linuxcentos | would be nice to know where Meego config files are for Wifi | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | it's connman | 14:40 |
| linuxcentos | just to start off | 14:40 |
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| linuxcentos | aha | 14:40 |
| CosmoHill | linuxcentos: find /etc -name "*.conf" | 14:40 |
| linuxcentos | why did they create connman, not just use already created oss stuff | 14:41 |
| linuxcentos | CosmoHill: thx | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | networkmanager isn't exactly lightweight. | 14:41 |
| TurboVomit | hi | 14:42 |
| linuxcentos | i see | 14:42 |
| TurboVomit | can i hope to install meego on an eeepc 701? | 14:42 |
| CosmoHill | I don't, I need a GUI to see :( | 14:42 |
| CosmoHill | TurboVomit: check the device list | 14:42 |
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| linuxcentos | CosmoHill: heh | 14:43 |
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| linuxcentos | you guys think Meego one day will be able to catch up with Android? | 14:48 |
| vivz | when i do this: sudo mic-image-creator --run-mode=0 --cache=mycachedir --format=fs --arch=armv7l --config=meego-handset-armv7l-beagle-1.0.80.8.20100630.ks , i get this error Error: failed to create image : Failed to build transaction : Missing Dependency: mkfontdir is needed by package xorg-x11-fonts-misc-7.2-13.3.noarch (handset) | 14:48 |
| tybollt | linuxcentos: No it will obviously not. | 14:48 |
| vivz | Right platform to ask this question? | 14:49 |
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| CosmoHill | vivz: i believe so | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | tybollt: troll | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:49 |
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| CosmoHill | linuxcentos: I think it will, android is a phone OS moving to netbooks | 14:49 |
| tybollt | linuxcentos: Meego sets out to be Android and ChromeOS in one. Thus I believe you're kind of comparing apples and pears. | 14:49 |
| CosmoHill | meego is a combination of a phone OS and netbook OS | 14:49 |
| CosmoHill | both are tasty | 14:50 |
| linuxcentos | mm | 14:50 |
| linuxcentos | i'm really excited about Meego | 14:50 |
| tybollt | I am too, fwiw | 14:50 |
| CosmoHill | fwiw? | 14:50 |
| vivz | can anyone help me with fresh meego build for Beagleboard? | 14:50 |
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| tybollt | CosmoHill: For What It's Worth | 14:51 |
| CosmoHill | vivz: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Beagleboard_from_scratch | 14:51 |
| linuxcentos | i'm gonna use it everywhere i can, like phone, netbook, laptop, tv etc | 14:51 |
| tybollt | CosmoHill: I'm trying to be a meego supporter but not a fanboi... that's not very appreciated around here though. | 14:51 |
| vivz | CosmoHill: i have been following the same.. after which i got the above error | 14:51 |
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| CosmoHill | linuxcentos: then when you hear "securty fawl in meego" you shit yourself | 14:53 |
| Sanjay25 | hi all, Please let me know that from which file, meego is launching the panel appliction like zones, application,media,people etc . actually i need to stop few of them, like in moblin these are launchin from "xinitrc" | 14:53 |
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| * CosmoHill bops sanjay for repeating his question | 14:53 | |
| CosmoHill | Sanjay25: have you tried the forum or mailing lists or even nosing around the root FS | 14:54 |
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| linuxcentos | CosmoHill: hehe | 14:55 |
| sanjay | yes i had | 14:55 |
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| linuxcentos | CosmoHill: oky, at least on phone and other internet devices like HTC etc | 14:56 |
| linuxcentos | this weekend i'm gonna try meego box connected to a 50" plasma tv | 14:56 |
| linuxcentos | wonder how it's gonna be | 14:56 |
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| koupsaa | hello good idea... i ll just try on 24.. but how to now the resolution screen? | 15:03 |
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| CosmoHill | as far as I know it's magic | 15:03 |
| CosmoHill | but it's always been the correct resoultion in twm | 15:03 |
| koupsaa | wahouw!! very nice | 15:04 |
| koupsaa | i m 1900x1200 (reso max of the screen) ? how to verify ? | 15:04 |
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| koupsaa | arf application-panel not nice :/ all icon in the same screen, no menu like in 111" screen | 15:06 |
| koupsaa | s/111/11 | 15:07 |
| CosmoHill | your monitor is wider than the menu panel? | 15:07 |
| koupsaa | no, but all app are in same screen.... like an iphone | 15:09 |
| CosmoHill | well that was a weird call | 15:09 |
| CosmoHill | "does your car take regular or diesel?" "PETROL PETROL! NO DIESEL" | 15:09 |
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| koupsaa | no menu 'game' 'network' etc | 15:10 |
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| CosmoHill | wait...does that mean my mum was on the phone at a petrol station :o | 15:13 |
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| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: that boom was your mom going into pieces | 15:19 |
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| CosmoHill | that will teach her not to put diesel in my car | 15:21 |
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| koupsaa | resolution screen right 1920x1200 | 15:25 |
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| vgrade_ | I've been paying with the new EMGD driver om my Joggler there may be some hope for all the GMA500 users | 16:35 |
| vgrade_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnwfVtHuhoI | 16:35 |
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| Stskeeps | cool stuff! | 16:37 |
| * Stskeeps twitters | 16:37 | |
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| TSCHAKeee | vgrade_: _WOW_ @ | 16:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | big leap | 16:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | the system is actually very responsive too | 16:39 |
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| TSCHAKeee | minus that big bulky $(#@$(#@ browser | 16:39 |
| b-man | vgrade_: sweet! :) | 16:39 |
| * TSCHAKeee has gotten very disenchanted with chromium | 16:40 | |
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| vgrade_ | not all mine, see the notes | 16:41 |
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| TSCHAKeee | vgrade_: put some more descriptive tags on the video so ppl will find it. ;) | 16:42 |
| vgrade_ | just standing on the shoulders of giants | 16:42 |
| * TSCHAKeee chuckles | 16:42 | |
| TSCHAKeee | you know, relevant ones like, "meego running better on poulsbo omg ponies!" | 16:42 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 16:42 |
| TSCHAKeee | :) | 16:42 |
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| GordonS | hey - can anyone give me some suggestions as to what I can do about a little font issue I am having...? (http://www.valleyhold.org/~gordons/Meego_QtCreator.png) | 17:00 |
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| Stskeeps | looks like some DPI is shot | 17:01 |
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| GordonS | sure, but how to change it...? | 17:01 |
| GordonS | if it runs at 800x600, it looks fine; at 1280x1024, I get that ugliness... | 17:01 |
| GordonS | and uxlaunch *hard-wires* the DPI to 120x120 | 17:02 |
| GordonS | I looked in Git yesterday :-P | 17:02 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, dpi is a mess in X :P | 17:03 |
| GordonS | sure, but that is even more of a mess than usual... I even tried using xrandr - it doesn't seem to do anything at all | 17:03 |
| GordonS | er... | 17:03 |
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| GordonS | I guess I should also qualify that I am running in VMware :-P | 17:03 |
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| GordonS | any idea what I can do to fix it? Qt Creator is pretty fugly to use at 800x600 :) | 17:13 |
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| Stskeeps | i'd first off report a bug about it | 17:13 |
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| GordonS | I figured it was a bug and not a feature, but I wasn't sure :) | 17:14 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: there's a bit of a tendancy to wiki pages that contain outside-intel accessible urls, such as http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop and http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_with_QEMU - maybe it'd be useful with a general file drop area for meego committers or the likes | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | er, outside-intel inaccessible | 17:20 |
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| DawnFoster | stskeeps: hmmm | 17:20 |
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| DawnFoster | I'm guessing it's cut and paste issues or people just forgetting which things are internal vs. external | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah - it's a difficulty even for myself at times :) | 17:21 |
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| DawnFoster | maybe leave a note on the discussion page when you see it | 17:22 |
| GordonS | Um. I have an account on meego.com, but can't get into the bug tracker to enter a bug?? | 17:22 |
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| DawnFoster | I'm guessing they don't realize they're internal | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, someone already did on the sdk with qemu one | 17:22 |
| DawnFoster | GordonS: it uses the same account information - can you log and back in again? | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: on the discussion topic of graphics drivers the other day, saw what vgrade managed to achieve? | 17:22 |
| GordonS | I'll give that a shot | 17:23 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnwfVtHuhoI | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | - netbook UX on a gma500 device | 17:23 |
| DawnFoster | cool | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | it even looks flawless | 17:23 |
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| GordonS | aha, that works | 17:24 |
| leinir | It does, yes... that makes the Joggler all the more interesting ;) | 17:24 |
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| * GordonS feels silly - tried the wrong password the first time :-P | 17:24 | |
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| GordonS | I'm running a 1.0.80.11 build - should I enter that as 1.1 in the drop box? | 17:26 |
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| wamills | lbt: I see that meego.com uses download.meego.com not downloads with an _s_. The meamo.org wiki page on OBS also says download. | 17:29 |
| wamills | ditto for opensuse. I think you want to drop the _s_ from what your doing now or make them both work. | 17:30 |
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| wamills | X-Fade: see comment to lbt ^^^ | 17:32 |
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| luist_ | hello... about garage, im using a custom list and repository with the applications... if i add a new application to this repo and list, what do i need to do for garage be able to install the new application? the new list will be updated automatically but do i need to refresh packagekit cache or something like that? will garage do that for me? | 21:13 |
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| tripzero | luist_, If you use the public obs with your garage project it will have a repo | 21:21 |
| tripzero | that people can add and it will be able to auto-update the worlds when you push an update to that repo | 21:22 |
| tripzero | ...if that makes any senses | 21:22 |
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| tripzero | lbt, may have more knowledge about that as well... | 21:23 |
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