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| trip0 | sandsmark, ask lbt | 00:03 |
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| trip0 | he's the master of the obses | 00:03 |
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| sandsmark | lbt: what is the going bribe for access to the OBS? :-P | 00:03 |
| * lbt considers | 00:03 | |
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| sandsmark | lbt: or when is the ETA for public access? | 00:05 |
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| lbt | goddam ADSL | 00:07 |
| sandsmark | hehe | 00:08 |
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| lbt | yeah... I think that's a nice way to describe the kind of beta tester we need: essentially .. do you just want to use it... or do you want to shape it? | 00:09 |
| sandsmark | have you gotten all the hardware you were waiting for? | 00:10 |
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| lbt | no, not yet... | 00:11 |
| sandsmark | k | 00:12 |
| lbt | the hardware gods turned out to be tiny pixies | 00:12 |
| sandsmark | heh | 00:12 |
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| rrix | lbt: mind if I privmsg? | 00:42 |
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| lbt | sure | 00:43 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:44 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 01:58 |
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| eeebuntu | anybody knows about suse meego? | 03:19 |
| eeebuntu | anybody knows about suse meego? | 03:22 |
| AstralStorm | yes | 03:22 |
| eeebuntu | AstralStorm: and do you know how to install it? | 03:23 |
| AstralStorm | install meego, add suse repositories | 03:23 |
| eeebuntu | AstralStorm: yes... i come from ubuntu and i've been using linux for 6 months... so i have no idea... can you help me? | 03:24 |
| eeebuntu | i have the opensuse meego iso from the official website and i'm downloading opensuse 11.3 | 03:25 |
| AstralStorm | read up on suse, then you'll know what to do | 03:25 |
| AstralStorm | hmm, a bit wrong way around | 03:25 |
| AstralStorm | I'd install meego first | 03:25 |
| AstralStorm | then "bump" it to opensuse | 03:25 |
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| AstralStorm | but this might work too | 03:25 |
| eeebuntu | yes... | 03:25 |
| eeebuntu | just give me the site and ill read ;) | 03:26 |
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| eeebuntu | AstralStorm: so i download the meego img and then what do i have to do? | 03:27 |
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| AstralStorm | eeebuntu: no howto for you from me, sorry | 03:34 |
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| rrix | How would I create a new package in the obs instance? osc init <project>? | 05:03 |
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| Macer | blah | 05:56 |
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| senwell_wu | anyone has meego touch tutorial?? | 06:50 |
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| matt_lee | hi all, i installed the version meego-netbook-ia32-1.0.80.11.20100720.1 on my vitrualbox. but now 'yum' command. anyone knows how to install it? | 06:59 |
| matt_lee | yum command not found. | 07:00 |
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| Stskeeps | zypper? | 07:12 |
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| matt_lee | thanks zypper. | 07:22 |
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| rrix | I thought meego-netbook was based on Fedora? | 07:32 |
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| Stskeeps | no, meego is it's own distro | 07:32 |
| Stskeeps | it may share some packaging and rpm format with other distros, but doesn't have an upstream | 07:32 |
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| rrix | hmmm | 07:40 |
| rrix | interesting | 07:40 |
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| AstralStorm | if any, it's more based on opensuse | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | it's really a mix. | 07:45 |
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| pundiramit | what is the root password for beagleboard/rootfs image? | 11:46 |
| beford | try meego | 11:46 |
| pinchartl | pundiramit: or rootme. that's a common root password | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | or moblin, if you're on an old .ks :) | 11:47 |
| slaine | howdt folks | 11:48 |
| slaine | oh dear, bad start | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | morn slaine | 11:49 |
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| pundiramit | folks I tried meego/moblin/rootme | 11:51 |
| pundiramit | it ain't working for me | 11:51 |
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| pundiramit | my .ks file has "rootpw meego" is this supposed to set the password as meego? | 11:51 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | pundiramit: you might need ttywhatever in /etc/securetty | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | like ttyS2 | 11:52 |
| pundiramit | ttyS0 and ttyS2 already in /etc/securetty | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | what console are you logging in on? | 11:53 |
| pundiramit | i can log in as user-->meego password-->meego | 11:53 |
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| pundiramit | ttyS0 | 11:54 |
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| Stskeeps | hm | 11:55 |
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| X-Fade | pundiramit: And su or sudo? | 11:55 |
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| pundiramit | su give me this "su: cannot set groups" and sudo give this "sudo: must be setuid root".. i'm googling for explanation and solution | 11:57 |
| CosmoHill | try user: root, passwd: meego | 11:59 |
| CosmoHill | then visudo to add the meego user | 12:00 |
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| Stskeeps | pundiramit: sounds like a permissions issue when untarring the rootfs | 12:01 |
| pundiramit | CosmoHill: not able to login as root with meego password | 12:03 |
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| beford | hey, I am trying to build an uptodate netbook image (daily, trunk, or recent packages) is this the more appropiate kickstart file http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.0.80.6.20100616.1/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32/meego-netbook-ia32-1.0.80.6.20100616.1.ks ? | 12:03 |
| pundiramit | Stskeeps: yes looks like some permission issues here. will unmount the SD card and fix it on my host system. | 12:04 |
| pundiramit | thanks all :) | 12:04 |
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| Myrtti | coconut cookies ♥ | 12:35 |
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| amjad1 | hello | 12:49 |
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| CosmoHill | hi | 12:52 |
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| CosmoHill | I wonder, would the Ovi suite work with meego? | 14:19 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, only one way to find out | 14:21 |
| lcuk | fire up your netbook and try it | 14:21 |
| lcuk | morning btw \o | 14:22 |
| CosmoHill | hey | 14:22 |
| CosmoHill | so I can either spend £300 on a meego compatable netbook | 14:22 |
| CosmoHill | or £450 on a N900 | 14:22 |
| LjL | i think you can get an N900 for less than that | 14:24 |
| CosmoHill | I was thinking sim free | 14:24 |
| CosmoHill | since I have no income for pay monthly contracts | 14:24 |
| LjL | CosmoHill: someone pointed me to http://mobiles.co.uk (i think that was the url anyway) where they apparently have it for a low clearance price, it shouldn't be on a contract | 14:25 |
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| CosmoHill | N900 for £30 / month + £80 for the phone | 14:27 |
| CosmoHill | *£70 | 14:27 |
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| CosmoHill | works out at £790 | 14:28 |
| CosmoHill | is it wrong that I use "bc" over calulator.app? | 14:29 |
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| CosmoHill | the SE Elm looks kinda good | 14:40 |
| CosmoHill | but without wifi the GPS is kinda useless since you can't get amps | 14:40 |
| CosmoHill | maps* | 14:40 |
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| CosmoHill | (well you can but I'm not paying to go online just to use a map) | 14:40 |
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| Sanjay25 | hi, I am facing some issues with GDM auto login with Meego OS. "I want to use GDM to login on meego desktop. But it says permission denied on GDM login UI. I could not input password, I have modified /etc/sysconfig/desktop, I added line -> DISPLAYMANAGER="GDM" and Update /etc/inittab, replace moblin-dm with gdm, On top of that I had installed all GDM packages." Please let me know if any other setting i have to do. | 14:58 |
| Sanjay25 | Thanks in advance. | 14:58 |
| sivu | is it possible to get the project config from MeeGo:1.0:Core | 14:59 |
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| Sanjay25 | hi, I am facing some issues with GDM auto login with Meego OS. "I want to use GDM to login on meego desktop. But it says permission denied on GDM login UI. I could not input password, I have modified /etc/sysconfig/desktop, I added line -> DISPLAYMANAGER="GDM" and Update /etc/inittab, replace moblin-dm with gdm, On top of that I had installed all GDM packages." Please let me know if any other setting i have to do. | 15:21 |
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| Sanjay25 | Thanks in advance. | 15:22 |
| CosmoHill | you said that 20 mins ago | 15:23 |
| lcuk | Sanjay25, did you used to use GDM with moblin? | 15:26 |
| lcuk | or is this the first time you are trying to replace the DM? | 15:26 |
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| lcuk | sivu, what do you mean the product config? | 15:29 |
| sanjay | yes ..i used GDM with moblin | 15:29 |
| sanjay | that is working fine | 15:30 |
| lcuk | ok sanjay - then are you just using the same instructions that used to work? and did you ever speak to people in the moblin irc channels to find out how | 15:30 |
| sanjay | i followed the same instructions but that is not working | 15:30 |
| sivu | lcuk, i mean the project config to set up obs | 15:31 |
| sanjay | when i try to use automatic login .. it hangs with message logging in | 15:31 |
| sivu | lcuk, the config i could get by running "osc -A https://api.meego.com meta prjconf MeeGo:1.0:Core > MeeGo.prjcon" if i had enough permissions | 15:31 |
| lcuk | ok sanjay do you have the url for the original moblin instructions, perhaps SOMEONE will come awake and try to guide you through | 15:31 |
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| sanjay | i have the mail. | 15:32 |
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| lcuk | sivu, then you will have to wait for someone who knows OBS to poke their head out of the sand | 15:32 |
| sivu | guess so | 15:33 |
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| lcuk | sivu, this for the meego netbook i gather? | 15:33 |
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| sanjay | when i set AutomaticLoginEnable=false | 15:33 |
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| sanjay | its says authentication failure | 15:34 |
| lcuk | heh, seems like lots of authentication issues and rights blocking going on around meego | 15:34 |
| lcuk | sanjay, but it works if you force yourself through the hardship of logging in manually? | 15:35 |
| sanjay | using GDM.. it is not | 15:36 |
| sanjay | do u used GDM on meego? | 15:36 |
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| Steven | hi guys | 15:45 |
| lcuk | sanjay, i do not use meego at this time! | 15:45 |
| Steven | does anyone know how to build meego like android did? | 15:45 |
| CosmoHill | flee whilst you can | 15:46 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, did you see my witchcraftery? | 15:46 |
| CosmoHill | no i didn't | 15:46 |
| CosmoHill | but I'd like to | 15:46 |
| Steven | anyone know how to build a meego image? | 15:47 |
| sanjay | do u having idea how gdm login authentication works? | 15:47 |
| CosmoHill | Steven: you use a .ks file | 15:47 |
| lcuk | its awesome, theres loads of buzz from people trying to work out how its done: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM | 15:47 |
| CosmoHill | that takes the RPMS and makes an image for you | 15:47 |
| lcuk | sanjay, perhaps you could post to the new meego-dev ML and include the content from the original moblin mail to give people reference to how it used to work | 15:48 |
| CosmoHill | it figures out what direction you've moved the device in | 15:48 |
| lcuk | and then together you may find a solution | 15:48 |
| lcuk | and teach others that doing custom things with it is cool | 15:48 |
| CosmoHill | up is X, down and right is Y, left is Z etc | 15:48 |
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| sanjay | i have already done | 15:48 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, huh? post in the youtube video comments :p | 15:49 |
| CosmoHill | that requires a youtube account | 15:49 |
| Steven | hi CosmoHill ,does this method can build image from source ? | 15:49 |
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| CosmoHill | no | 15:49 |
| CosmoHill | it uses pre-build RPMs | 15:49 |
| Steven | how can i build a image from source like android did | 15:49 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, ahh ok - then here is good then :p | 15:50 |
| Steven | im a newbie to meego:) | 15:50 |
| CosmoHill | with a fast computer and maybe a cross-compiler | 15:50 |
| sanjay | i posted on 2nd July..but i do not get any reply | 15:50 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: so was my idea close? | 15:50 |
| lcuk | sanjay, did you say that it would login if you did it manually | 15:51 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, top centre square on the video is the accelerometer view widget | 15:51 |
| lcuk | it is disabled | 15:51 |
| lcuk | ie accelerometer is not used in the making of this video | 15:51 |
| sanjay | no..it is not login with GDM in every case | 15:52 |
| CosmoHill | that phone has a camera right? | 15:52 |
| lcuk | sanjay, ok thats even worse, but more helpful to your description | 15:53 |
| CosmoHill | ah that's been suggested | 15:53 |
| lcuk | if you stop talking about the autologin problem, it may allow people to look more about the security thing thats at the crux of it | 15:53 |
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| Steven | is there any doc about how to build meego from source ? | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | for what? | 15:55 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: something to do with image processing with the camera? | 15:55 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, you mean the lines on the paper? | 15:56 |
| CosmoHill | sort of | 15:56 |
| CosmoHill | i mean it takes two frames and compares them | 15:56 |
| CosmoHill | then figures out where the phone has moved | 15:56 |
| CosmoHill | like if one frame had my feet and legs in, and the next had my legs and hips it, it would work out that it's moved up | 15:57 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, do you know any camera that can focus at ultra close range? | 16:00 |
| CosmoHill | hmm | 16:01 |
| CosmoHill | does it actually need to focus to tell it's moved? | 16:01 |
| * CosmoHill goes to look 11 seconds into the video | 16:02 | |
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| CosmoHill | something to do with those three white LEDs? | 16:02 |
| lcuk | did i indicate in the comments about 11seconds /me cannot remember | 16:03 |
| CosmoHill | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58589 | 16:03 |
| lcuk | but yes, thats the clue | 16:03 |
| lcuk | ahh you are reading the proper howto ;) | 16:03 |
| lcuk | but since nobody posts real info on tmo ;) | 16:03 |
| lcuk | let most people think its magic whilst showing the maemo mob how its really done | 16:03 |
| CosmoHill | it's using a similar method to GPS satalites | 16:04 |
| CosmoHill | you need at least 3 of them to figure out where you are | 16:04 |
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| CosmoHill | it does help that I'm not familar with the phone >.. | 16:04 |
| CosmoHill | >.> | 16:04 |
| Steven | hi CosmoHill, can you tell me how to build a image from source | 16:05 |
| CosmoHill | you would have to set up a suitable toolchain | 16:05 |
| CosmoHill | then download and recompile the src.rpm files | 16:05 |
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| CosmoHill | making suitable changes to the .spec files and other files | 16:05 |
| CosmoHill | such as those that set the CFLAGS | 16:05 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: i think that would work well in an office enviroment as you'd likely half multiple lights above your head | 16:07 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, yeah its a working on specific light source atm and would need adapting to do it in the general case | 16:09 |
| lcuk | (for liqmouse for instance) | 16:09 |
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| lcuk | though, it does use the brightest only and I use it in daytime | 16:09 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, there was a mega thread about it on 4chan yesterday, loads of iphone users were left a bit sore because N900 did something their precious phone couldnt :D | 16:15 |
| lcuk | was amusing to see | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: suggestion re questions not getting answered.. a 'unanswered threads' button | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | like, showing one-post threads | 16:16 |
| lcuk | that just moves the problem, could just try engaging and liaising with people even if the answer is not known - point to potential solutions etc | 16:17 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 16:17 |
| CosmoHill | (for the annoyed iphone answers) | 16:18 |
| CosmoHill | s/answers/users/ | 16:18 |
| infobot | CosmoHill meant: (for the annoyed iphone users) | 16:18 |
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| CosmoHill | anyone know what the ntp.drift file is in? Is it seconds? | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | revolutions of a fast hamster in a wheel | 16:30 |
| CosmoHill | to figure out how bad my drift is, would anyone mind catting their drift file? | 16:31 |
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| _Pete_ | CosmoHill: where's that located? | 16:36 |
| CosmoHill | /var/cache/ntp.drift on my system | 16:36 |
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| _Pete_ | none found on bubuntu with openntpd running | 16:38 |
| CosmoHill | maybe look in /etc/ntp.conf | 16:38 |
| CosmoHill | should tell you the location | 16:38 |
| _Pete_ | not there either | 16:39 |
| CosmoHill | hmm | 16:39 |
| CosmoHill | I take a long time to do stuff to my server | 16:39 |
| CosmoHill | like ntp and fail2ban | 16:40 |
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| CosmoHill | now I'm safe from script kiddies and my screwed hardware clock :D | 16:42 |
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| CosmoHill | nate@blue[1005]:~ $ cat /var/cache/ntp.drift | 16:43 |
| CosmoHill | 124.053 | 16:43 |
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| pundiramit | What is the easiest way to buidl a custom kernel for Meego netbook? I need to add oprofile support in it. | 18:07 |
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| * slonopotamus fails to understand what was wrong with "UI" term so that "UX" was invented | 18:18 | |
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| tybollt | slonopotamus: You have to be in marketing to understand the difference :P | 18:43 |
| slonopotamus | tybollt: i read that as "that was done for no valid reason" :) | 18:44 |
| Termana | slonopotamus, UI only covers the UI, UX covers everything, from the UI to the included apps etc. | 18:45 |
| Termana | (the full user experience rather than just the UI user experience) | 18:46 |
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| tybollt | Termana: Hi marketing. | 18:46 |
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| Termana | tybollt, :P maybe I should minor in marketing for the degree I'm taking? :P | 18:47 |
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| Termana | Anyway, isn't this actually defined on the MeeGo site somewhere? It should be if it isn't | 18:50 |
| tybollt | Termana: :-) | 18:50 |
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| pdxideate | anyone have good MeeGo twitter handles worth following? | 19:00 |
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| lbt | wamills: meego is usually fine :) | 19:24 |
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| lbt | we'll move to the meego.com sso for pw mgmt | 19:24 |
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| lbt | wamills: so here... | 19:26 |
| lbt | so... you're right... downloads is up... I thought I was tunnelling to it | 19:27 |
| lbt | that's good | 19:27 |
| wamills | lbt: so is there or will there be a way for users to change thier own passwords on obs.maemo.org? | 19:27 |
| lbt | yes... we'll move to the meego.com sso for pw mgmt | 19:27 |
| wamills | Will that be @ 1st open or later? | 19:28 |
| lbt | probably later | 19:28 |
| wamills | what is the eta for public access? | 19:28 |
| lbt | couple of weeks - depends when we get ACL setup | 19:29 |
| lbt | we're on bleeding edge code for that | 19:29 |
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| lbt | does http://api.obs.maemo.org/ give you a passwd change option | 19:30 |
| wamills | OK. Is there part of my experience that should be documented. Aside from the DNS and stuff that is not open yet, it all went OK | 19:30 |
| lbt | I'm in as an admin so I'm not sure | 19:30 |
| wamills | You mean as a web page not as an API call right? | 19:31 |
| wamills | I can't check right now as I am @ work again. | 19:32 |
| wamills | I lied. DNS is working now. | 19:32 |
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| wamills | OK api.obs. as a web page gives me: a pic of a lizzard, a link to the API docs (on your server, works), and a footer ...A link to "Build Service Web Client" | 19:36 |
| wamills | footer: link to Build Service Web Client (goes to build.opensuse.org not your server) | 19:36 |
| wamills | Api Startpage (link to page already on) | 19:36 |
| wamills | OpenSUSE home and my loggin id | 19:37 |
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| wamills | (my login id is not a link) | 19:38 |
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| wamills | DNS is working for build. and api. not for repo. nor downloads. | 19:41 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: ^^^ DNS needed for downloads ... | 19:44 |
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| wamills | API does not seem to allow passwd change either. https://api.opensuse.org/apidocs/user.xsd | 19:49 |
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| wamills | BTW: the API docs on your server only work to the first level. All the schema and example links don't work. | 19:50 |
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| lbt | wamills: good catch | 19:55 |
| CosmoHill | kudos to nokia for their map and drive thingy | 19:57 |
| ScottishDuck | ? | 19:57 |
| CosmoHill | I just used it to go to the airport and back and it's pretty good | 19:57 |
| ScottishDuck | Ah | 19:57 |
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| ScottishDuck | It desperately needs voice instructions though, CosmoHill | 19:57 |
| ScottishDuck | and if it has them, I couldn't find it | 19:57 |
| CosmoHill | reroutes quickly which is good cos I ignored the directores a few time | 19:57 |
| ScottishDuck | Yeah the performance is nice | 19:58 |
| CosmoHill | ScottishDuck: I installed the woman before I left via the Ovi Suite | 19:58 |
| ScottishDuck | GPS is accurate too | 19:58 |
| ScottishDuck | CosmoHill: you can only do that with Ovi suite? | 19:58 |
| ScottishDuck | ._. | 19:58 |
| CosmoHill | i think so | 19:58 |
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| CosmoHill | it's annoying when it goes "exit now" when you're doing 40mph | 19:59 |
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| CosmoHill | one day I'd like a GPS that doesn't tell you how to get out of your own town | 19:59 |
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| CosmoHill | at one point we did get confused and I swerved a bit as we worked out what lane it meant :/ | 20:00 |
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| CosmoHill | ScottishDuck: the drive and walk thing only works on my phone for 90 days | 20:02 |
| CosmoHill | then you need to buy it i think cos they haven't made it free for my model | 20:02 |
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| CosmoHill | I would say the Ovi maps is defently a selling point if you don't have a data plan / signal | 20:03 |
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| ScottishDuck | I think maps is free on my n900 | 20:03 |
| ScottishDuck | or at least there is no indication that it's a trial | 20:03 |
| CosmoHill | the maps are all free | 20:03 |
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| ScottishDuck | the voice is a trial? | 20:04 |
| CosmoHill | but the drive navigation bit costs money | 20:04 |
| ScottishDuck | mine seemed to be free... | 20:04 |
| ScottishDuck | hmm | 20:04 |
| CosmoHill | i'll check | 20:04 |
| CosmoHill | i hope I didn't leave it in the car | 20:04 |
| Myrtti | there's a navigation app for meego? | 20:05 |
| CosmoHill | bollocks, it's in the car | 20:05 |
| CosmoHill | (the car not presently here) | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: i think navit is in ivi actually | 20:05 |
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| ScottishDuck | You can use maps | 20:07 |
| ScottishDuck | as navigation | 20:07 |
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| CosmoHill | I normally look up my route online and print it off before I leave | 20:08 |
| CosmoHill | I also trace the route I'd drive online too | 20:08 |
| triplezero | CosmoHill, I used to stand up to change channels on my tv too back in the day ;) | 20:08 |
| CosmoHill | I used to grab the TV remote and poke the TV | 20:08 |
| triplezero | hehe | 20:09 |
| triplezero | well, there are a few of devs who have high interest in making navigation awesome on meego, so we shall see what we can do. | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | get sygic on board :P | 20:10 |
| triplezero | the Qt-mobility APIs for mapping and routing are quite nice | 20:10 |
| triplezero | Stskeeps, i've used sygic on my n900 and while it's good, it's not the level of awesome I'd like | 20:11 |
| triplezero | especially when it wants to route me the "long way" to certain destinations (even suggesting I take a ferry unnecessarily) | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | when it gives me insane suggestions, i just ask for alternative route :P | 20:12 |
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| CosmoHill | triplezero: my phone wanted me to go around town instead of through it | 20:13 |
| CosmoHill | keeping in mind I live in that town and know the fastest route out | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | or what you perceive as the fastest | 20:13 |
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| CosmoHill | driving home it went "take the first exit" | 20:14 |
| wamills | lbt: what distro and arch are these OBS servers? Did you follow this procedure: http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Sysadmin_Distro/OBS_setup_openSUSE112 | 20:14 |
| CosmoHill | I drove past the "Road Closed" sign and took the second exit, it recaluated quickly | 20:14 |
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| lbt | wamills: http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service | 20:17 |
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| vgrade | hi stskeeps, I've come out to say hello | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: hello ;) | 20:21 |
| vgrade | better to be in the open :) | 20:21 |
| * arjan waits for google maps working well on his n900 | 20:22 | |
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| arjan | never got anythign else to work | 20:22 |
| arjan | g-maps does do location, but it's a rather annoying web app | 20:22 |
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| Stskeeps | maep's fairly nice but doesn't do routing | 20:22 |
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| lbt | do what my wife does :) | 20:24 |
| lbt | ..... ask her husband | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | 'if you use ovi maps, we'll end up dead' as an added comment? | 20:24 |
| lbt | heh | 20:24 |
| lcuk | vodafone are opening up the source of the n810 map app so i hear | 20:25 |
| CosmoHill | ooo | 20:26 |
| lcuk | its good to know its having corporate discussions at least - it may mean that we can at least get the ones with expired licenses working | 20:26 |
| lcuk | though i never minded paying | 20:26 |
| CosmoHill | arjan: doesn't google maps require mobile internet? | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | any n900 agps usually does anyway | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:27 |
| CosmoHill | cos my dad has it on his SE W990 | 20:27 |
| lcuk | and when you need maps most : when in another country | 20:27 |
| TomaszD | lcuk: I've heard the maemo client will not be opened | 20:27 |
| CosmoHill | I don't have any data plan on my phone cos it's stupid | 20:27 |
| CosmoHill | £10 a week to allow me to use things that I use anyway | 20:28 |
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| lcuk | TomaszD, :( | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | i see data plans as a way to avoid spending too much money | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:28 |
| lcuk | we need to do something | 20:28 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, i am with O2, and I have a £15 a month bolton | 20:29 |
| lcuk | it gives all internet and SMS I need | 20:29 |
| lcuk | and my calls are catered for with the £15 itself | 20:29 |
| CosmoHill | Ovi maps is good for me cos I don't always have a 3G connection and I don't have a contract | 20:29 |
| CosmoHill | I can get 25MB for 50p a day | 20:29 |
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| CosmoHill | when our ISP cocked up I spent about £10 of credit phoning them so they could do there bullshit tests on the phone line and going on IRC | 20:30 |
| CosmoHill | on a side not, it takes 10 hours to drain the battery on a S K800i | 20:31 |
| CosmoHill | *SE | 20:31 |
| CosmoHill | *note | 20:31 |
| maluta | Hi. Somebody had problems booting MeeGo on BeagleBoard following the Wiki steps? After boot from MMC the system stop on i2c ready - http://pastebim.com/gu3hq2Ut | 20:31 |
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| Stskeeps | maluta: what instructions? | 20:31 |
| maluta | sorry for previous url http://pastebin.com/gu3hq2Ut | 20:32 |
| wamills | old u-boot binary probibly | 20:32 |
| maluta | Stskeeps: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_the_Beagle | 20:32 |
| wamills | Stskeeps: This page is better, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Beagleboard_from_scratch | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | -> maluta | 20:34 |
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| maluta | wamills: Ok. I'll take a look | 20:35 |
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| wamills | You will need to go to eLinux.org to find references to setup the basics of SD Card MLO, u-boot, and boot.scr | 20:36 |
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| TomaszD | Stskeeps: so do you have a working image of meego for the joggler with phone ux? | 20:36 |
| wamills | Links are in the "from scratch" page | 20:36 |
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| Stskeeps | TomaszD: first when EMGD is released i will know if it works or not | 20:37 |
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| maluta | wamills: yes. I know that process. I asked because I used a pre-compiled image, so I maybe that was misconfigured | 20:38 |
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| maluta | wamills: anyway, I'll follow the steps from the link that you sent | 20:39 |
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| vgrade | TomaszD, I'm also waiting for EMGD for a Joggler netbook big reveal | 20:42 |
| TomaszD | shouldn't be too long now | 20:43 |
| TomaszD | afaik | 20:43 |
| vgrade | what do you know? | 20:43 |
| TomaszD | ...nothing :P | 20:43 |
| TomaszD | I don't care too much anyway, as my joggler is broken and on its way back to lbt | 20:44 |
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| vgrade | netbook UX on Joggler (GMA500) would be a big deal for a lot of first gen netbook owners | 20:45 |
| TomaszD | yes it would be | 20:46 |
| arjan | vgrade: EMGD works on netbooks? that's news | 20:47 |
| vgrade | we won't know until its releasd | 20:48 |
| arjan | it's not designed for it | 20:49 |
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| arjan | it's target is embedded devices in specific configurations | 20:49 |
| arjan | and historically IEGD never really supported the UX | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | then again, iegd was a xorg driver like any other | 20:49 |
| arjan | (and is not designed to; it's for a very different customer base/OS stack) | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | (with a slightly worse libGL) | 20:50 |
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| TomaszD | with a bt keyboard and mouse, the joggler with the netbook ux should be a nice low power workstation | 20:51 |
| CosmoHill | TomaszD: why would you need a mouce? | 20:51 |
| CosmoHill | just poke it :) | 20:51 |
| TomaszD | netbook ux is not for poking | 20:52 |
| TomaszD | you'd need the phone ux (name?) for that | 20:52 |
| TomaszD | and I don't like poking it, it gets all smudged up :P | 20:52 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, treating a desktop as a regular touchscreen is awful | 20:54 |
| lcuk | you need gorilla arm | 20:54 |
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| lcuk | the UX for upright touchscreens would have to be drastically different - even for simple reasons | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | arjan: out of curiousity, what was the technical blockers for netbook ux on gma500? besides the licensing issues | 20:54 |
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| lcuk | moving hand ALLLLL the way to the top is a ballache | 20:54 |
| vgrade | imgd was nearly there (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXWOjZQ8jVE) and what I've read about EMGD it may be possible | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | might be interesting if anyone'd ever want to adopt netbook on ARM as it's a sgx deep down | 20:54 |
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| vgrade | sorry IEGD was nearly there | 20:56 |
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| ScottishDuck | when will we get meego for iPad? ( ≖‿≖) | 20:56 |
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| ScottishDuck | </troll? | 20:57 |
| ScottishDuck | > | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | ScottishDuck: when you port it | 20:57 |
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| ScottishDuck | It Just Works™ | 20:57 |
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| vgrade | arjan, any chance you could get a copy of the beta EMGD to me | 21:02 |
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| lbt | FYI... http://gofedora.com/intelligentmirror-intelligent-1-0-1/ seems to be a reasonably easy solution to the lack of an apt-cacher | 22:38 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: a tool to mirror a rpm-md repo? | 23:05 |
| lbt | yes... it uses squid to cache | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | is there a good way if you wanted to track for example trunk/daily? | 23:06 |
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| lbt | what it does is make sure you never download the same rpm twice | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | i'm basically pondering how we can make a proper guide to setting up your own 'meego' shop | 23:07 |
| lbt | for developers who run mic a lot this is quite useful - or if you have multiple VMs | 23:07 |
| lbt | on debian I used to do an "apt-get upgrade --download-only" in cron every night | 23:08 |
| lbt | but what do you mean by 'shop' ? | 23:08 |
| lbt | dev team? | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | well, setting up infrastructure to work on meego for porting work, etc | 23:09 |
| lbt | yes... | 23:09 |
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| lbt | well, that's partly why the OBS setup is so detailed | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 23:10 |
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| Maemoboi | so how will meego make in the market? | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | dunno, let's see | 23:34 |
| lcuk | which market? | 23:34 |
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| Maemoboi | the world | 23:37 |
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| Stskeeps | Maemoboi: platform success is if a lot of devices adopt meego as their platform.. success of those devices is then interesting for that company | 23:37 |
| Maemoboi | when is the 1st meego device hitting the market? | 23:38 |
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| Stskeeps | don't know | 23:38 |
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| Maemoboi | i tried installing meego on my n900 but gave up | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | it is mostly for developers at this stage | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | you'll want to wait for 1.1 for something properly QA'ed and published | 23:40 |
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| Maemoboi | ok | 23:40 |
| Maemoboi | will it dual boot with maemo? | 23:40 |
| drizztbsd | Stskeeps: when it will be released? | 23:40 |
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| lbt | drizztbsd: on a thursday | 23:41 |
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| Stskeeps | drizztbsd: http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.1 | 23:41 |
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| drizztbsd | Transition to GCC 4.5OMG! | 23:43 |
| Maemoboi | so now that maemo is a dead horse will they rename talk.maemo.org? | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | maemo.org isn't dead | 23:43 |
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| Stskeeps | and talk.maemo.org continues as such | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | still discussions to be made about maemo and harmattan devices | 23:43 |
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| drizztbsd | gcc 4.5 has too many throuble atm (specially with _FORTIFY_SOURCE) :) | 23:44 |
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| Stskeeps | drizztbsd: best way to solve problems is by noticing them :P | 23:44 |
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| drizztbsd | I was a gentoo developer, I know how to report upstream :) | 23:44 |
| luist | hey... is there anything like gksu/gksudo/gnomesu for meego? i need to run stuff as root | 23:45 |
| Stskeeps | bbl sleep | 23:45 |
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| drizztbsd | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.0.80/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ does it work? or at least, does it boot? | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | no, open image, needs SGX drivers to work | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 23:48 |
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| * CosmoHill gives Stskeeps and lcuk a cookie | 23:59 | |
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