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| nguyenchau | at this time, meego for N900 is ok for user? | 08:06 |
| nguyenchau | sorry if it is a noob question | 08:06 |
| arachnist | nguyenchau: not really | 08:07 |
| arachnist | nguyenchau: not on /msg | 08:08 |
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| microlith | awesome, aava dev handset is $2k+ per | 08:50 |
| microlith | wow | 08:50 |
| microlith | this is going to make handset dev a bitch | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | n900 is hardly as expensive and ports are popping up for beagleboard etc | 08:51 |
| microlith | nothing with a capacitive screen though | 08:51 |
| microlith | which, iirc, is considered required for Meego | 08:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | microlith: they actually announced a price? | 08:51 |
| microlith | up on engadget | 08:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | wow | 08:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | what a disaster in the making | 08:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | all of intel's posturing to try and get into the mobile space is basically falling flat. | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | not exactly | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | did you see the price of a zoom2? | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | 1499 USD | 08:52 |
| TSCHAKeee | O_O | 08:53 |
| microlith | sure | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | development boards of this caliber costs that kind of stuff | 08:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | well yeah, sure, the congatec ivi board is still...$2500 | 08:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | tell me at least the aava comes with some debugging hardware | 08:54 |
| microlith | oddly, x86 is about the only thing I haven't seen JTAG on | 08:55 |
| microlith | though I suppose the aava kit probably has it | 08:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | it better | 08:56 |
| * TSCHAKeee just signed up for preorder | 09:00 | |
| microlith | o_O | 09:01 |
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| senwell_wu | Hi everybody, anyone knows where to get meego handset image? | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | which target? | 09:42 |
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| senwell_wu | Thanks, I have got it. | 10:01 |
| senwell_wu | I want to build a sdk which supports meegotouch. | 10:02 |
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| brokendatapoint | hi y'all | 10:19 |
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| odin_ | X-Fade, lbt what is the procedure for being involved with Community OBS testing, there are also a number of others in here who have requested details, but I did not see any response (copyleft, jebba, rohanpm, jeremiah, amjad(got resp from XFade), slaine, GordonS, ...) | 10:36 |
| X-Fade | I can create accounts, some of the people on your list already have accounts though. | 10:37 |
| odin_ | I don't want all their accounts, hehe, just my own, I'm simply passing the pleas^Wmessage on | 10:37 |
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| Stskeeps | odin_: isn't it better people ask in person though? :P makes distribution and setting up easier | 10:38 |
| odin_ | they did ask in person (in this channel) | 10:38 |
| odin_ | now the relevant person know of such, maybe they might /msg them with a line/comment about what to do next | 10:39 |
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| Stskeeps | morn slaine | 10:54 |
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| slaine | Top o' de mornin to ye | 10:55 |
| w00t_ | the only good morning is a dead one | 10:55 |
| slaine | w00t_: nice tweet on Stskeeps n8x0 image, well done Stskeeps btw | 10:55 |
| w00t_ | :) | 10:55 |
| odin_ | opps wrong channel, talking on maemo again | 10:55 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: yeah, shame it stopped working when i tried to actually boot it again :P | 10:56 |
| slaine | lol | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | need to make it reproducable | 10:56 |
| slaine | damn frame buffers | 10:56 |
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| odin_ | X-Fade, what is difference between "MeeGo Latest" and "MeeGo Trunk" usually Trunk == Latest ? | 10:57 |
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| X-Fade | odin_: That is something lbt played with. I think Latest is latest stable. | 11:15 |
| X-Fade | Hmm that is broken, let me see what he did there ;) | 11:16 |
| X-Fade | odin_: try advanced for now ;) | 11:16 |
| X-Fade | Meego:1.0:Core/standard | 11:17 |
| odin_ | ah yes that is what I did (just a guess) | 11:17 |
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| * thiago finishes compiling Qt on the netbook | 11:26 | |
| thiago | must recompile everything now | 11:26 |
| thiago | MeeGo doesn't have the new ldtags enabled | 11:26 |
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| X-Fade | thiago: How crucial is qmake and moc version match with library? | 11:40 |
| thiago | as long as they're not newer, not a problem | 11:40 |
| X-Fade | If I update the lib one point release, will older qmake and moc work? | 11:41 |
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| X-Fade | I'm looking into not running these through qemu for the OBS instance, so we can speed things up for armel builds. | 11:43 |
| dl9pf | X-Fade: do you have the list ? in which package are moc and qmake ? | 11:46 |
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| X-Fade | dl9pf: They are in libqt4-dev for Maemo, need to see where it is for MeeGo. | 11:46 |
| X-Fade | dl9pf: First wanted to see if they are version critical, because otherwise Qt version updates are a pain. | 11:47 |
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| X-Fade | On Maemo, they put i386 binaries in the armel devel package to accel it inside scratchbox :) | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | that's dirty | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:49 |
| X-Fade | Which works, but is ugly. And doesn't work on a non-cross armel build on obs. | 11:49 |
| X-Fade | I am suggesting to get qmake and moc in a Qt devkit for Maemo. ;) | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | i do look forward to the day we don't use sb anymore or have to remember it ever existed | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:51 |
| X-Fade | You and me both. | 11:51 |
| X-Fade | That is why I work on OBS for Maemo too, so we can ditch SB completly :) | 11:51 |
| sivang | I built Qt on my NetBook, it wasn't as slow as I'd think it'd be. | 11:51 |
| fabo | X-Fade: they are in qt-devel (MeeGo) atm but I planned to split the packages and rename to libqt-devel (if it is accepted) | 11:51 |
| thiago | X-Fade: yes, they will work | 11:52 |
| sivang | but I failed setting the env for the creator to find it when executed from the desktop | 11:52 |
| thiago | but you want to upgrade moc across minor releases | 11:52 |
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| thiago | there are improvements to moc every now and then | 11:52 |
| sivang | it worked only when spawning it from a shell | 11:52 |
| lcuk | "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." | 11:52 |
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| X-Fade | thiago: That is cool. Updates on a regular schedule is not really a problem, as long as we don't have to do it daily ;) | 11:52 |
| * thiago finished compiling Qt on the netbook -- again | 11:53 | |
| fabo | X-Fade: could you create on account MeeGo community - testing phase ? | 11:53 |
| copyleft | X-Fade: hello, may I help to test the community OBS? | 11:53 |
| X-Fade | fabo: Ok, will PM you. | 11:54 |
| fabo | thks | 11:54 |
| X-Fade | copyleft: And you after that ;) | 11:54 |
| copyleft | X-Fade: Thanks :p | 11:54 |
| sivang | thiago: again? that's a fast netbook :) | 11:56 |
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| thiago | sivang: mostly just relinking | 11:56 |
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| dl9pf | X-Fade: yes, we need to be able to isolate them - just imagine it would be a static binary you throw into the chroot. | 11:57 |
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| X-Fade | dl9pf: Yeah, at least that seems possible now. | 11:57 |
| dl9pf | we can do more, but thats the easy test for this to work | 11:57 |
| X-Fade | dl9pf: Was worried that it was tightly linked. | 11:57 |
| dl9pf | we don't need it to be static in the end then. | 11:58 |
| dl9pf | but its a good test if we have all together. | 11:58 |
| fabo | qmake needs libc only | 11:58 |
| thiago | and libstdc++ | 11:59 |
| fabo | same for moc | 11:59 |
| thiago | qmake, moc and uic are "bootstrapped" | 11:59 |
| thiago | they link to a depopulated, static version of Qt | 11:59 |
| sivang | thiago: ah right | 12:01 |
| sivang | X-Fade: Is this different to creating an account on the site? (thinking SSO) | 12:02 |
| X-Fade | sivang: Yes, it is separate. (at least for now) | 12:02 |
| X-Fade | We need to see if we can get the main site to provide ldap auth, so we can link OBS. | 12:02 |
| sivang | X-Fade: where's the link? | 12:02 |
| X-Fade | There is none, I need to create it manually :) | 12:03 |
| sivang | googling returned forums discussions :) | 12:03 |
| sivang | X-Fade: ah. | 12:03 |
| * sivang searches the wiki | 12:03 | |
| milliams | X-Fade: Hey, can I help with testing the community OBS. I've been using the openSUSE one for a long time now so I know my way around. | 12:03 |
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| X-Fade | One at a time, please ;) | 12:06 |
| milliams | Sorry :) | 12:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: so um | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | do you guys have access to OSU boxes ? | 12:12 |
| X-Fade | No | 12:12 |
| X-Fade | Not yet at least. | 12:12 |
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| thiago | is the OpenGL driver on the Netbook image the best available for Intel chipsets? | 12:20 |
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| Myrtti | *taptaptap* is this thing on? | 14:49 |
| Myrtti | one two three one two | 14:49 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 14:49 |
| Myrtti | ok, just checking | 14:50 |
| CosmoHill | now...how do I get out of your head | 14:50 |
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| LjL | Stskeeps: you (or someone else i was talking to yesterday) said the 3D card in the N810 has the issue of not having enough memory to display even one frame. Could that (or things like that) mean that MeeGo might not ever work on it, do you think? | 15:11 |
| LjL | well, work acceptably | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | meego works on it, didn't you see my thread? the other problem is that handset ux isn't really optimized towards non-GL usability | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | if you want a user finished product, buy one | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:12 |
| LjL | Stskeeps: sorry i'll put it in another way, do you think there's no chance of making it usable with GL, so the only way to make it work fast enough would actually be to remake the handset ux to work without it? | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | it might be possible to optimize the software rendering. it didn't seem completely unresponsive to me trying it yesterday :) | 15:13 |
| LjL | (also - probably not, what thread?) | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | was going to make a video but my image died again | 15:14 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: did you manage to check if it was swapping btw? | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=317&highlight=hardware+adaptation | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | w00t_: n | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | o | 15:14 |
| w00t_ | mmk | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 15:14 |
| Aquarina | hi, there | 15:15 |
| Aquarina | I'm still looking for a replacement software for my n810... if not meego, not mer... :-( | 15:16 |
| * Aquarina is sad | 15:16 | |
| * CosmoHill hugs Aquarina | 15:16 | |
| Aquarina | :-) | 15:16 |
| Aquarina | what's the state of things? Mer is abandoned? | 15:18 |
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| Termana | Aquarina, yes, Mer is now a dead project, everyone has moved to MeeGo | 15:18 |
| Aquarina | ok, fine | 15:19 |
| Aquarina | (I liked the looks of mer though) | 15:19 |
| Aquarina | but, how can I use meego to replace maemo? | 15:19 |
| Aquarina | is there an easy way? | 15:19 |
| Termana | Aquarina, MeeGo on the n810 is a work in progress | 15:20 |
| w00t_ | see http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=317 | 15:20 |
| Aquarina | ok, what's not working? | 15:20 |
| Termana | I'm sorry, did you just miss the entire conversation above? :P | 15:20 |
| w00t_ | apparently | 15:20 |
| w00t_ | Aquarina: read the thread | 15:20 |
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| * Aquarina is reading the logs | 15:23 | |
| CosmoHill | I heard something was working on the n810 yesterday | 15:24 |
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| Aquarina | hum... sorry, I'm not tech enough | 15:27 |
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| luist | hey... im using garage with a custom repository, do i need to update packagekit cache for garage to find a new package right after i add it to the repo? or it updates automatically every run? | 15:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wtf? meego.com account created, got email with credentials. entered username and pw from mail by c&p -> ""Access denied. You may need to login below or register to access this page."". Clicked URL in mail -> same :-(( | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: log out | 15:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | log out?? | 15:40 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: did you click the link? | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 15:40 |
| dm8tbr | if so proceed to change your password | 15:40 |
| dm8tbr | ignore the message | 15:40 |
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| dm8tbr | worked fine for me that way | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | lemme try | 15:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry, don't see any way to proceed to change password (except "forgot password"). Also no way to log out | 15:43 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Wait a while and see if it fixes itself? | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmhmhmhm | 15:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a really welcomming system, indeed | 15:44 |
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| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Main website? | 15:45 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: I was able to click on some sort of settings tab after following the link | 15:45 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: That is just default Drupal stuff, which should really work though. | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: I registered, answered questions about my preferred sexual orientation and what kind of spam I'd like to receive, then ended on the login page. I checked my mail, copied the username and password to that login page, result -> ""Access denied. You may need to login below or register to access this page."" (URL: http://meego.com/users/joergrw). I went back to mail, clicked the URL in there (the lng cryptic one to 'confirm' or whatever) | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | , same result | 15:48 |
| dm8tbr | after clicking that URL I was able to ignore the message and click around to change my password | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: just noticed the http://meego.com/users/joergrw page never seems to finish loading. Can't help it, something's thoroughly fsckd up | 15:49 |
| X-Fade | Sorry, can't go in and check, don't have access there. | 15:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess there's some evil js shit or similar going on. And so probably forwarding to the change-pw-page doesn't work. Konqueror | 15:51 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, loser =) i jut registered and it worked fine | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | > BLAAARGH! "open page with FireFox" -> > Personal Information > Display Name > joerg | 15:54 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, on click it throwed me to personal info where i cliked edit and entered new password | 15:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BUG:: login page of meego.com fails on Konqueror | 15:55 |
| X-Fade | Use a proper browser ;) | 15:55 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer you have been registered for one week it says | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | >:-( | 15:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: huh? | 15:56 |
| ZogG | Member for | 15:56 |
| ZogG | 1 week 5 days | 15:56 |
| ZogG | meego.com/users/joerg | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe I tried same before | 15:56 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, now i don't know which one of you is a real one | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: maybe I thought 'screw that shit' before | 15:57 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, delete cookies and use forgot password? | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | me neither | 15:57 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer it's like new movie with Angelina — Solt | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | err wut? | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, think first thing to find is "delete account" button, then forget it | 15:58 |
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| ZogG | i'll link you in priivate | 15:58 |
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| ameya | From where I can get python-celementtree for ubuntu 10.04? I am trying to install meego-image-creator | 16:02 |
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| thopiekar | hi | 16:15 |
| thopiekar | would meego work on my Asus T91? | 16:15 |
| thopiekar | ahh I see.. http://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook | 16:15 |
| thopiekar | but is there any chance to get poulsbo (GMA500) working (well)? | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, meego has contracts storage | 16:16 |
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| CosmoHill | thopiekar: I don't think you can | 16:22 |
| CosmoHill | i mean if it works on other linux distros it may work on meego at some point | 16:22 |
| thopiekar | I'm all the time searching for a good distribution for my netbook.. | 16:23 |
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| thopiekar | tried ubuntu karmic + a ppa.. jolicloud (outdated for me) .. etc | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | DawnFoster: http://www.google.de/search?q=site:http://meego.com+contracts+storage | 16:27 |
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| _Pete_ | for me this 'nice ui' is somehow paradocial | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DawnFoster: -r | 16:28 |
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| _Pete_ | as I mostly use cmdline nly | 16:28 |
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| _Pete_ | so it doesnt matter is it meego or something else | 16:29 |
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| thopiekar | what is meego btw? a linux system using deb or rpm? | 16:30 |
| _Pete_ | rpm | 16:30 |
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| georgem | I've gotten GMA 500 to work on a custom distro. If you apply all the patches and do everything at the following link it you might be able to get it to work http://blino.org/blog/mandriva/poulsbo-xserver1.7.html | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, falling out of login state on clicking arbitrary link in meego.com also isn't really helping | 16:36 |
| CosmoHill | DocScrutinizer: at uni you can plug your laptop in login and then nothing | 16:37 |
| CosmoHill | you can't load any websites and there is no logout button | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | CosmoHill: err? I'm not a student... | 16:38 |
| CosmoHill | just saying it's equally as annoying | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, now I can't login again in Konqueror. So byebye meego, won't change my browser just to participate | 16:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd maybe accept rendering errors, but a "you need to use FF for this site" is too much, really | 16:44 |
| X-Fade | Really sounds like broken cookie. | 16:44 |
| w00t_ | (works for me in chromium, so there is no such "you need to use FF for this site") | 16:45 |
| sandsmark | how can you have a broken cookie? :-P | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: there is a bug where login pages say access denied when logged in | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | probably what you run into | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: cookies were disabled, and I was able to login for one particular page, then fell out of logged-in state on clicking any link. I enabled cookies and now I can't login at all | 16:46 |
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| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Well cookies are needed for login of course. | 16:46 |
| sandsmark | that's no "of course" | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously they are also needed to flourish login bug Stskeeps mentioned | 16:47 |
| sandsmark | http basic auth, passing the session id in get requests, etc. allows you to "log in" people without cookies | 16:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably when I close that konqueror instance (and cookie gets deleted) I'll be able again to login for a single page. But then meh | 16:48 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: But what are you needing login for anyway? | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | fact is it's not useable on konqueror either way | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: god question | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | good even | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | what do I need meego.com for anyway? | 16:50 |
| Termana | lol | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | Afaik there is nothing in the main site for you to do with your account? | 16:50 |
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| X-Fade | Wiki, yes. But that is a different system ;) | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | Although you can use the same account there. | 16:50 |
| Termana | A bug? What there is no bug! What do you even need login for! | 16:50 |
| Termana | :P | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ping me when it's getting less annoying to deal with that site | 16:51 |
| X-Fade | Just wondering what you were trying to do ;) | 16:51 |
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| X-Fade | Other than loging in and ... ;) | 16:51 |
| w00t_ | complaining about not being able to log in, apparently | 16:51 |
| w00t_ | :P | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually that's what I started to wonder by myself. Probably I shouldn't have registered for all those ML though, on registering | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, screwit | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | Also a different system where you don't need that account for ;) | 16:52 |
| Termana | heh. I've signed up for all the mailing lists :P | 16:53 |
| * DocScrutinizer shakes head | 16:53 | |
| X-Fade | Not saying there is no bug somewhere, but it is still not clear what you are trying to do. | 16:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "there's a 'register' button - but... don't use it, it's broken and anyway completely useless" Nice advertisment | 16:54 |
| w00t_ | what? | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: I tried to get involved in meego. But I changed my mind meanwhile | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | too hostile | 16:54 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: You can, but you really don't need an account on the main site for that? | 16:55 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Do other drupal based sites work for you in Konqueror btw? | 16:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: fsckit. I should have clicked on 'register' only after moving to wiki? or what?? | 16:56 |
| w00t_ | do you _really_ need to be so hostile to people trying to _help_ you? or what??? | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: No, that should not matter where you click on register. | 16:56 |
| w00t_ | it was a simple question | 16:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | w00t_: a rather cynical question, given the plain simple approach of a user trying to register with a website | 16:57 |
| w00t_ | DocScrutinizer: no, it's not a cynical question | 16:57 |
| X-Fade | It would also be good to see if it works when you use your N900. | 16:57 |
| w00t_ | I see a lot of people trying to help you | 16:58 |
| X-Fade | To see if something is wrong with your account or just related to browser. | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | w00t_: [2010-07-13 15:49:01] <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: But what are you needing login for anyway?<< If I don't need it then it's a really cynical hoax to put it there. And then ask "Noob, you don't need it, do you?" | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | find someone else to fool, please | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | bye | 17:02 |
| X-Fade | I just wanted to know why you registered, so we can improve expectations etc. | 17:03 |
| sandsmark | btw, when is the OBS expected to be publically available? | 17:04 |
| X-Fade | sandsmark: which one? | 17:04 |
| w00t_ | sandsmark: there's a beta of community OBS available, X-Fade ^^^ | 17:04 |
| sandsmark | X-Fade: hmm, what do you mean? | 17:04 |
| X-Fade | sandsmark: The meego core on or the community one. | 17:05 |
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| sandsmark | oh, community one | 17:05 |
| * sandsmark wants to roll some plasma mobile packages | 17:05 | |
| X-Fade | At least a few weeks out for real public deployment as we are waiting for the servers to be avaible at OSU. | 17:05 |
| sandsmark | oki | 17:05 |
| X-Fade | *available | 17:06 |
| sandsmark | so sooner than when I could expect the builds to be finished if I tried on my own laptop :-P | 17:06 |
| X-Fade | The beta one can be used now, but is still lacking some functionality/needs fixes. | 17:06 |
| w00t_ | X-Fade: _weeks_? dawn was implying (or at least, I read into it) that it was going to be a lot earlier than that | 17:06 |
| w00t_ | (for servers in general, not OBS) | 17:07 |
| sandsmark | X-Fade: what kind of stuff is missing? | 17:07 |
| X-Fade | w00t_: Well need to get access first. | 17:07 |
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| X-Fade | sandsmark: Configuration, automatically getting meego snapshots etc. | 17:07 |
| sandsmark | k | 17:08 |
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| X-Fade | w00t_: If we get access to the servers next week, then it will take 2 weeks to configure/test for sure after that. | 17:08 |
| w00t_ | X-Fade: that's more reasonable | 17:09 |
| X-Fade | If it drags on longer before we finally get access, then who knows :) | 17:09 |
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| X-Fade | And I don't know how firewalls, internal networks and other security is setup atm, so maybe that needs to be implemented first. | 17:10 |
| X-Fade | Just installing in on a few blades and go for it is probably not the best approach. | 17:10 |
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| w00t_ | X-Fade: probably redundant my saying this, but make sure you document your end of the setup in case moves and changes need to be done in the future :-) | 17:11 |
| X-Fade | w00t_: We already do that in the maemo wiki atm. | 17:11 |
| w00t_ | okay, cool | 17:11 |
| X-Fade | As that is where it is running now ;) | 17:11 |
| * w00t_ presumed that was the case, but, just in case.. :) | 17:12 | |
| w00t_ | I've had to walk into underdocumented setups before and try make sense of them so I always try keep that in mind when setting stuff up | 17:12 |
| X-Fade | http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service/Installation | 17:12 |
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| LjL | is there any package i can get to obtain a MeeGo emulator without needing to download the whole 600Mb SDK? | 17:15 |
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| sandsmark | LjL: the custom qemu, you mean? | 17:15 |
| sandsmark | it's on gitorious | 17:15 |
| LjL | sandsmark: i suppose so... whatever would allow me to try out what a MeeGo device feels like. | 17:16 |
| sandsmark | well, I'm talking for the mobile stuff | 17:16 |
| LjL | oh also yeah i mean a MeeGo handset (not netbook or the like) | 17:17 |
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| sandsmark | LjL: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu | 17:18 |
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| LjL | sandsmark: thanks, but uh... the link it gives to download the ROM is for N900 owners only? i thought the whole thing was freely downloadable (as with http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/images/meego-n900-open-armv7l/ ) | 17:20 |
| sandsmark | uhm, good question | 17:20 |
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| w00t_ | fabo: ^^ isn't qemu stuff up your alley? | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | the problem is the bootloader | 17:22 |
| LjL | sandsmark: apparently the non-free one is an "mtd" NAND image, while the one in the link i gave is a raw image... whatever that means. | 17:22 |
| sandsmark | so the raw image doesn't contain the bootloader? | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | raw is just a sd card | 17:23 |
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| LjL | basically i'd be missing the (excuse IBM terminology) BIOS? | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | not far from | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: uhuh, so http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu I wonder if I'm supposed to be able to edit. "Log in / create account" -> http://meego.com/user?destination=wiki_home ""Sorry, unrecognized username or password"". O...kay. I'm going to create a 4th account ;-P | 17:25 |
| fabo | it becomes urgent to have a qemu image available | 17:25 |
| LjL | well, if i just go and download the whole SDK, i should get qemu and an appropriate image, anyway? | 17:26 |
| fabo | not a day pass without someone asking for it | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: ask me again for what I need an account, please | 17:26 |
| LjL | i guess not, huh :) | 17:26 |
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| fabo | LjL: not sure the SDK contains qemu-maemo flavour | 17:27 |
| LjL | fabo: does "maemo flavor" mean headset ux? | 17:27 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, again for what I need an account please? | 17:28 |
| Termana | /end smartarse | 17:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: duh, I thought I'm the only one not to know | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | report it as a bug. isn't first person running into the issues | 17:29 |
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| fabo | LjL: qemu-maemo is the modified version that contains n900 support | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: don't you think I need an account to report a bug? | 17:29 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, login in with another browser, create bug. | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: not sure if bugzilla is integrated | 17:30 |
| LjL | fabo: ah. but, does it make a difference whether i have that or someone else, for the purpose of simply seeing how the system looks and feels like? | 17:30 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: it is | 17:30 |
| Termana | w00t_, thats a lie, don't blaspheme. | 17:30 |
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| Termana | w00t_, or at least, it made me sign up twice and I don't stay logged in across the two either. | 17:31 |
| w00t_ | Termana: I didn't have to sign up twice and I do stay logged in across the two, not that it helps you | 17:31 |
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| Termana | w00t_, doesn't really bother me that much. Thats what the "remember me" (type) buttons are for :P | 17:32 |
| w00t_ | (this is all pointing to my usual conclusion of SSO causing more problems than it solves, fwiw) | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: FWIW - deleted all meego.com cookies in konqueror, enabled cookies -> login succeeded | 17:33 |
| fabo | LjL: you need it for running the n900 image. I don't know if we could use the aava image. | 17:34 |
| luist | heey i need some information about garage... i install an application correctly, but when i remove it, it leaves the dependencies installed... how can i prevent that? can i pass 2 tags "package" in garage_data.xml to force install/remove these 2 packages? | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: nah, not really. Just doesn't display the ""Sorry, unrecognized username or password"" anymore | 17:35 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: sso is difficult in any site, file a bug. i've seen ff users have problems too | 17:36 |
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| X-Fade | It always amazes me is that the first thing people assume when something doesn't work in their browser that it is intentional and done to just annoy them. | 17:44 |
| w00t_ | X-Fade: that, and, often not actually trying the advice they get | 17:46 |
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| X-Fade | Must be a tough life for you if you think that everybody is out to get you ;) | 17:47 |
| Termana | X-Fade, what are you saying, we're not out to get them? | 17:48 |
| Termana | :P lol | 17:48 |
| amjad | that is the beauty of customer service : X-Fade :) | 17:48 |
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| GAN900 | X-Fade, you know it is. :P | 18:01 |
| w00t_ | lo, GAN900 | 18:01 |
| GAN900 | w00t_, howdy-ho. | 18:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ^F advice | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | -> no hits | 18:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooops, actually there were a few: <X-Fade> Use a proper browser ;); <DocScrutinizer>... won't change my browser just to participate <ZogG> DocScrutinizer, delete cookies and use forgot password? <me>did that and didn't help | 18:15 |
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| * Stskeeps yawns | 18:15 | |
| * DocScrutinizer yawns as well | 18:15 | |
| * Stskeeps ponders what is wrong with connman | 18:15 | |
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| * DocScrutinizer remarks, just for a sidenote, the missing link to bugzilla for reporting any bugs against meego.com | 18:17 | |
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| w00t_ | DocScrutinizer51: you missed the instance where someone told you to clear your cookies and you ranted about deleting your account instead | 18:19 |
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| * w00t_ goes back to going through an annoying backlog of email and other fun things | 18:20 | |
| * Stskeeps cranks up the tracy chapman songs and dives into connman again | 18:20 | |
| w00t_ | DocScrutinizer51: also, you want http://bugs.meego.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=MeeGo%20Community%20Infrastructure | 18:21 |
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| Stskeeps | does discussions on wiki clutter belong on -dev or -community? (i'm noticing the test/QA guys are doing a lot of clutter that could be better off with a A/B thing) | 18:33 |
| smhar | I am worried I will fill the / partition very soon with all the downloads I am making :-) | 18:34 |
| smhar | oops, wrong # , meant for #maemo :-) | 18:35 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: where do the QA people hang out? -dev, isn't it? | 18:35 |
| w00t_ | -community might not get their attention | 18:35 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: probably -dev | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | k | 18:35 |
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| DawnFoster | I agree with the wiki noise | 18:35 |
| DawnFoster | we need to give them some guidance on how to use the wiki. Their page naming makes no sense | 18:36 |
| Termana | DawnFoster, I don't think Stskeeps meant the noise as such, but the structure of where wiki pages go, I think | 18:36 |
| Myrtti | Talking of wikis | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | i'm on same page as dawn's, their naming is really odd | 18:36 |
| Myrtti | I was just looking at the compatible devices page today, and looked at the bottom of the page | 18:36 |
| Myrtti | there's a link to Chinese version of a page - but it goes to a specific version of someone's userpage | 18:37 |
| Myrtti | that's just... wrong. | 18:37 |
| Myrtti | wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Tsr106&oldid=4363 | 18:37 |
| RST38h | Moo, all, HELO Myrtti | 18:37 |
| DawnFoster | stskeeps / termana: right, but by not using the structure, it makes it seem more noisy because I can't see at a glance what project they belong to | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:38 |
| Myrtti | Do you have the subpage setting enabled? | 18:38 |
| DawnFoster | both are symptoms of the bigger structure / naming issues | 18:38 |
| Myrtti | you do, good | 18:38 |
| DawnFoster | myrtti: Yep and we're using it in most of the projects | 18:38 |
| Myrtti | DawnFoster: I suggested it for the maemo wiki, that's why I asked | 18:38 |
| Myrtti | (and it was enabled right away then, yay!) | 18:39 |
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| DawnFoster | dneary helped us put together some guidelines on naming, I think | 18:42 |
| dneary | DawnFoster: You called? | 18:42 |
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| DawnFoster | hey dneary! | 18:42 |
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| DawnFoster | Didn't you write some guidelines about how to use the wiki, subpage structure, etc.? | 18:43 |
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| DawnFoster | We need to provide some guidance for the qa team :) | 18:43 |
| dneary | DawnFoster: Yup | 18:43 |
| dneary | Heavily borrowed from the Maemo wiki | 18:43 |
| DawnFoster | ah, here they are http://wiki.meego.com/Wiki_contribution_guidelines | 18:43 |
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| dneary | Basic common sense really - don't make names so long they're cumbersome, be consistent, use friendly page names (no CamelCase, no Everything Is Capitalised), avoid overly-deep hierarchies | 18:45 |
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| dneary | And the issue is with the CoreWeekly stuff I imagine? | 18:46 |
| dneary | I've had zero time for the last month, and will have zero time for the next 6 weeks at least, (un)fortunately | 18:46 |
| RST38h | Your Aversion to the CamelCase and NiceCapitalization is Misdirected. | 18:47 |
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| dneary | RST38h, MyInteresiIs Only consistency | 18:48 |
| DawnFoster | I agree - you just need to pick one - I don't have a big preference, but it's easier if naming is consistent | 18:49 |
| dneary | RST38h, IMean:IfYou/Want IMean:IfYou/A Maintainable Wiki then you should probably avoid mixing things up | 18:50 |
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| dneary | CamelCase is fine in wikis where it's standard. In MediaWiki, it isn't | 18:50 |
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| RST38h | Maybe I do not understand something, but isn't capitalizing words in titles is considered "right" in English? | 18:50 |
| dneary | DawnFoster: I believe (hope?) RST38h was joking | 18:50 |
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| RST38h | Or is it an option and "A title like this" is also correct? | 18:50 |
| RST38h | 70% joking, 30% trying to figure out where the Capitalized Titles originally came from | 18:51 |
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| dneary | RST38h, Standard mediawiki naming convention says "no CamelCase, use a full phrase/name, capitalise first word in sentence, only use capitals afterwards for proper nouns | 18:52 |
| GAN900 | Hi, dneary. | 18:52 |
| dneary | RST38h, To that I added "Hierarchies are OK in the main namespace, but use them sparingly, for pages that are intimately related (eg. a project/team workspace) | 18:52 |
| dneary | Hi GA | 18:52 |
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| dneary | Hi GAN900 | 18:52 |
| RST38h | Hmm, ok, the hierachy thing makes sense | 18:53 |
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| dneary | So I would probably suggest to the testing team that they use a page hierarchy like "Testing team/Core testing" and in Core testing they would link to "Testing team/Test report 20100702" or similar | 18:55 |
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| dneary | (although using dates in page names sucks a bit) | 18:56 |
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| dneary | You could move all the templates under "Testing team/" too | 18:58 |
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| dneary | And link to them from the "Testing team" page, which could also contain interesting information like the members of the team, the test suites and how to run them, etc | 18:58 |
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| dneary | DawnFoster: That "Editing" page looks like it was created on accident, or is supposed to be a template | 19:15 |
| dneary | In any case, nothing is linking to it (see "What links here" link - v. useful) | 19:15 |
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| DawnFoster | probably a template page with a very confusing title | 19:17 |
| dneary | It looks like the legend page is getting copied & pasted into wiki pages anyway (see http://wiki.meego.com/Coreweekly20100709 for example) | 19:17 |
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| GAN900 | dneary, did you move our editing guidelines page from BCN over? | 19:18 |
| dneary | GAN900, Basically, yes | 19:18 |
| dneary | GAN900, I gave credit, though :) | 19:19 |
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| GAN900 | dneary, meh. :P | 19:19 |
| dneary | GAN900, If you didn't want it free... | 19:20 |
| dneary | Ah - no templates yet in the MeeGo wiki | 19:20 |
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| dneary | The testing legend could be the first one | 19:20 |
| dneary | Template:QA legend | 19:21 |
| GAN900 | dneary, yeah, I'm not going to transplant the wikipedia templates over. | 19:21 |
| GAN900 | Doing it for maemo.org was the worst. | 19:21 |
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| auke | someone ping me earlier? | 19:43 |
| * w00t_ checks | 19:44 | |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps pinged you late last night | 19:44 |
| w00t_ | nothing after that.. :) | 19:44 |
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| CosmoHill | I'll ping you now if you'd like | 19:45 |
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| auke | Stskeeps: pong? | 20:07 |
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| Stskeeps | auke, was on the mompoistor issue | 20:32 |
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| amjad | ping X-Fade | 20:47 |
| auke | Stskeeps: lol yeah, it's in git, will push something up the pipes today | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | auke, sounds good :) | 20:48 |
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| GeraldS | good evening | 21:38 |
| amjad | evening | 21:38 |
| GeraldS | just a quick question I couldn't find anything in the forums about ... has anyone experienced a netbook just shutting down when the boot seems nearly finished when being installed on an usb pen drive? | 21:40 |
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| * lbt apologises for not making it onto irc yesterday... odin_ mentioned that a number of you (copyleft, jebba, rohanpm, jeremiah, amjad(got resp from XFade), slaine, GordonS, ... ) pinged me: about Community OBS testing | 23:42 | |
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| Stskeeps | evening lbt | 23:43 |
| ZogG | re | 23:43 |
| trip0 | heh | 23:43 |
| lbt | hi Stskeeps | 23:44 |
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| luist | heey i need some information about garage... i install an application correctly, but when i remove it, it leaves the dependencies installed... how can i prevent that? can i pass 2 tags "package" in garage_data.xml to force install/remove these 2 packages? | 23:49 |
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| sandsmark | rrix: two weeks, or so | 23:55 |
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| sandsmark | until the community OBS becomes available :-P | 23:56 |
| rrix | oh | 23:56 |
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| rrix | Brilliant :D | 23:56 |
| rrix | sandsmark: Doing my job for me? | 23:56 |
| chi | is the intel atom D525 likely to be supported by meego? | 23:56 |
| sandsmark | rrix: yes :-P | 23:57 |
| sandsmark | rrix: because you were on a mfing plane :-P | 23:57 |
| trip0 | chi: is that the mini-itx baord? | 23:57 |
| rrix | sandsmark: <3 | 23:57 |
| chi | it's a cpu | 23:57 |
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| chi | dual core atom | 23:57 |
| trip0 | chi, the cpu itself is supported | 23:58 |
| trip0 | as long as it has ssse3 stuff | 23:58 |
| chi | i figured | 23:58 |
| trip0 | which all atoms do | 23:58 |
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| luist | heey i need some information about garage... i install an application correctly, but when i remove it, it leaves the dependencies installed... how can i prevent that? can i pass 2 tags "package" in garage_data.xml to force install/remove these 2 packages? | 23:59 |
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