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| jebba | What's the link to the community OBS? | 00:31 |
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| w00t_ | lbt: X-Fade ^^ | 00:34 |
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| lcuk | hey jebba \o | 00:37 |
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| w00t_ | evening | 00:38 |
| lcuk | did you watch or have you been hacking | 00:39 |
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| josemoreira | hi | 01:17 |
| josemoreira | is it possible to change UI fonts? | 01:17 |
| josemoreira | font settings dont seem to apply | 01:17 |
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| odin_ | hi jebba I don't think "community OBS" exists just yet, maybe big foot knows what the links is, ha ha | 02:58 |
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| jebba | odin_: well, there was a post to meego-dev and to the OBS bug in bugzilla saying it was in beta, so it's gotta be somewhere ;) | 03:26 |
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| jebba | they just didnt link to it so i cant quite figure out what is "community" OBS and which is the "meego" OBS | 03:26 |
| jebba | [MeeGo-dev] Community OBS looking for beta testers David Greaves http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-July/003927.html | 03:26 |
| jebba | "Bug 615 - Open the access of MeeGo OBS" http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615 | 03:27 |
| ScottishDuck | why do people always believe open source means open development | 03:33 |
| microlith | ScottishDuck: because if we have no input, why should we care? | 03:35 |
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| rohanpm | lbt: ping re: "Community OBS looking for beta testers" | 03:55 |
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| davidvasta | Hello | 04:22 |
| davidvasta | anyone here | 04:22 |
| davidvasta | I need some help with a little problem | 04:22 |
| jebba | Well, you better wear a helmet around here.... | 04:22 |
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| davidvasta | ok | 04:23 |
| davidvasta | I am trying to update my install and nothing happens. | 04:23 |
| davidvasta | When i try to install a package | 04:23 |
| davidvasta | I get a message about a policykit missing | 04:24 |
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| davidvasta | i am guessing they are related | 04:24 |
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| davidvasta | can i update via the command lie? | 04:24 |
| davidvasta | line? | 04:24 |
| davidvasta | terminal | 04:24 |
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| davidvasta | anyone seen that? | 04:25 |
| comradekingu | davidvasta: "yum update" | 04:26 |
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| davidvasta | ok | 04:27 |
| davidvasta | fair enough | 04:27 |
| davidvasta | is there a command i should run | 04:27 |
| davidvasta | not a YUM user | 04:27 |
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| davidvasta | yum | 04:28 |
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| davidvasta | got it | 04:30 |
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| davidvasta | thanks for the clue shaggy | 04:30 |
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| smackpotato | any nostagic diablo fans here | 05:02 |
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| slaine | morning all | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | morn slaine | 10:47 |
| copyleft | lbt: Hi. May I help to test the community OBS? | 10:48 |
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| copyleft | morning | 10:48 |
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| exman | hello, anybody knows how to use context-provide ? | 10:52 |
| thiago | could you provide some context? :-) | 10:52 |
| thiago | no, really, is that about contextkit? | 10:52 |
| exman | I cannot set the value using context-provide | 10:52 |
| exman | yes | 10:52 |
| thiago | ok, so, no, I can't help you | 10:52 |
| thiago | I just couldn't resist the pun | 10:53 |
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| exman | when i set the integer value in context-provide console, cannot success to set by json_parser error | 10:54 |
| exman | I succeed to set the integer value using ContextKit python wrapper. but I want to use context-provide tool | 10:56 |
| ronksu | hmm | 10:56 |
| ronksu | seems to work fine for me. | 10:56 |
| ronksu | you name the service and add the property before setting the value? | 10:56 |
| exman | no, just use context-provide | 10:57 |
| exman | i'll paste at pastebin | 10:57 |
| exman | http://pastebin.com/y0kcPkMM | 10:59 |
| exman | I added to Battery.ChargePercentage , and set the integer value | 11:00 |
| exman | in context-provide console | 11:00 |
| exman | Battery.ChargePercentage=[10] was ok, but i don't want set the List type | 11:00 |
| ronksu | hmm, no idea. Sorry. | 11:02 |
| exman | anway, thanks~ | 11:02 |
| exman | actually, Battery.ChargePercentage was defined as percentage type in /usr/share/contextkit/core.context. so I also tried to use percentage type in context-provide console. but it doesn't work OTL | 11:04 |
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| krypton | is there a quick way of converting all the git trees into a MeeGo image | 11:22 |
| krypton | there are so many git trees, and if I want a particular change done by some developer in my image how can I go about it | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | build that package, put the info into mic2, build? :P | 11:23 |
| krypton | mic2 ? any document or wiki link ? | 11:25 |
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| Stskeeps | wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation | 11:26 |
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| Stskeeps | any of the connman guys around? | 11:26 |
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| krypton | thanks Stskeeps | 11:27 |
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| FunkyPenguin | robster, have you done any testing using gcc 4.5.0 to build? | 11:29 |
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| exman | krypton, FYI, http://gitorious.org/meegotouch-manifest/pages/Home | 11:38 |
| exman | but, It's not official way. | 11:38 |
| exman | but it is easy way to get all repositories | 11:39 |
| exman | and i recommand use it in chroot env. because it 'll install into /usr | 11:40 |
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| vlj | hi | 11:43 |
| vlj | what is the status of emgd drivers for meego at the moment ? | 11:43 |
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| krypton | thanks exman, proved really good | 11:46 |
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| exman | krypton, currently that manifest provides 18 meegotouch repositories. | 11:48 |
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| exman | it 'll add several new meegotouch repositories soon. | 11:49 |
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| exman | because some meegotouch repositories are blank. | 11:50 |
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| jeremiah | lbt: ping | 12:12 |
| jeremiah | I'd like to throw some packages at the Community OBS thing - can I do that? | 12:12 |
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| soukron | hi all | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | hi there | 12:16 |
| soukron | anyone can tell me about the connected-tv meego version? | 12:17 |
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| soukron | is is on development ? | 12:17 |
| soukron | or is there any release made? | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | i heard 'libmeegotv' mentioned on a mailing list but i don't know where it's being developed | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | it isn't part of the OBS either | 12:18 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: DHG | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | DHG? | 12:18 |
| soukron | at the official website is there a reference, but it hasn't any release related | 12:18 |
| RST38h | Digital Home Group | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | dunno them | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | soukron: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-packaging/2010-July/000378.html - could try to follow up with this guy | 12:19 |
| soukron | ok, thank you! | 12:20 |
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| soukron | well, i have to leave, thanks again for your answers! | 12:21 |
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| RST38h | Sean Kelley of OTC is the contact point | 12:21 |
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| * thiago got a netbook | 12:58 | |
| thiago | now to install MeeGo on it... | 12:58 |
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| brokendatapoint | wd, specs? | 12:58 |
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| thiago | lenovo ideapad | 12:58 |
| jeremiah | thiago: apt-get install meego :p | 12:58 |
| thiago | it's got windows on it | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: isn't that nvidia? | 12:59 |
| thiago | gotta erase that first | 12:59 |
| jeremiah | Ewww | 12:59 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: no, intel graphics | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | a | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | h | 12:59 |
| brokendatapoint | hey, what package has all the tcptools like Finger, Dig, Whois etc? | 12:59 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: why do you have to erase windows? | 13:00 |
| thiago | this one: http://shop.lenovo.com/us/notebooks/ideapad/s-series/s10-3t | 13:00 |
| thiago | the one on the right | 13:00 |
| timeless_mbp | surely you can just boot from a DVD / USB and let the installer deal w/ it? | 13:00 |
| brokendatapoint | timeless_mbp: cos windows is an inferior, mem hungry insecure load of... | 13:00 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: yeah, but the installer will erase Windows :-) | 13:00 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, but you don't have to do it as a step on your own | 13:00 |
| timeless_mbp | brokendatapoint: you clearly haven't used mobile platforms | 13:01 |
| jeremiah | I think I saw that model of Lenovo recently - cool little computer | 13:01 |
| thiago | it's charging | 13:01 |
| thiago | now I need to figure out how to get the pre-1.1 builds | 13:01 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 13:01 |
| thiago | MeeGo 1.0 is old :-) | 13:01 |
| brokendatapoint | timeless_mbp: have too, still hate it | 13:01 |
| timeless_mbp | brokendatapoint: anyway, wrt memory hungry, windows is not a winner | 13:02 |
| timeless_mbp | ZFS (any platform) is a much bigger pig than windows | 13:02 |
| timeless_mbp | and Maemo certainly eats memory | 13:02 |
| * timeless_mbp can't speak for MeeGo | 13:02 | |
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| thiago | that's what memory is there for :-) | 13:02 |
| timeless_mbp | well | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | on my mbp which has 4gb of ram, kernel_task uses >1gb | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | that leaves 800mb for one web browser, 400mb for an irc client | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | 150mb for a Tracker like service (that actually works, unlike tracker) | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | 130mb for WindowServer | 13:04 |
| timeless_mbp | the rest can be used by apps and a bunch of services | 13:04 |
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| brokendatapoint | since Meego seems to be a RH-derivative, where can i search for specific packages online? is there an online package repos like debian packages? | 13:07 |
| dm8tbr | m( | 13:08 |
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| jeremiah | brokendatapoint: People will complain if you say MeeGo is a derivative of Fedora or RH | 13:10 |
| CosmoHill | meego is based on moblin and the nokia one | 13:11 |
| CosmoHill | just because it uses RPMs doesn't mean it's based on redhat | 13:11 |
| jeremiah | See? | 13:12 |
| Myrtti | DEBIAN VS. REDHAT! FIGHT! | 13:12 |
| CosmoHill | rpm4 is made by redhat | 13:12 |
| * Myrtti gets the popcorn | 13:12 | |
| CosmoHill | RPM5 isn't | 13:12 |
| tybollt | Myrtti: 50 bucks on the short fat guy | 13:13 |
| jeremiah | Red Hat suxcorz Debian rox! | 13:13 |
| Myrtti | the one with the beard? | 13:13 |
| * Stskeeps looks for the duct-tape | 13:13 | |
| jeremiah | Queue fun! | 13:14 |
| CosmoHill | but redhat and debain have nothing to do with meego | 13:14 |
| tybollt | Myrtti: has to be | 13:14 |
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| ccooke | CosmoHill: oh, stop bringing facts into a good argument ;-) | 13:17 |
| CosmoHill | very well | 13:17 |
| CosmoHill | meego is based on magic but looks at guys in weird ways | 13:17 |
| CosmoHill | discuss | 13:17 |
| ccooke | *laugh* | 13:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | s/guys/children/ | 13:23 |
| RST38h | <yawn> | 13:25 |
| CosmoHill | children don't do it for you RST38h? | 13:25 |
| * CosmoHill flees | 13:25 | |
| jeremiah | My Acer one doesn't have a COM port for the BEagle board I want to connect to it. Can I use a USB -> Serial to connect? | 13:25 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 13:25 |
| jeremiah | I suppose I should ask this in #Beagle but I figure there might be some here who know | 13:25 |
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| CosmoHill | I have a usb->serial adapter for my laptops | 13:26 |
| CosmoHill | I use screen / putty | 13:26 |
| jeremiah | So a USB -> Serial should work to run minicom? | 13:26 |
| CosmoHill | minicom? | 13:26 |
| CosmoHill | I've heard of that but I don't remember were | 13:26 |
| dm8tbr | yes | 13:26 |
| jeremiah | mincom: friendly menu driven serial communication program | 13:27 |
| * dm8tbr uses an ftdi usbserial adaptor for his OMAP based hardware | 13:27 | |
| jeremiah | dm8tbr: Thanks. :) | 13:27 |
| CosmoHill | my adapter doesn't work on windows 7 64bit | 13:27 |
| * jeremiah googles ftdi | 13:27 | |
| dm8tbr | I like ftdi because it copes with the 1MBaud rate my kernels speak by default | 13:28 |
| jeremiah | Okay. | 13:28 |
| CosmoHill | jeremiah: you can get pc card / express card adapters too | 13:29 |
| dm8tbr | real UART cards :) | 13:29 |
| jeremiah | I kind of want to follow a bare bones set up | 13:29 |
| brokendatapoint | k re my comment on RH etc ... where in the Meego repos can i get tcptools etc? | 13:30 |
| jeremiah | So the USB -> Serial thing should be enough fo rme | 13:30 |
| CosmoHill | jeremiah: also I've seen some which are USB to two serial ports incause you want to use two at a time | 13:30 |
| CosmoHill | brokendatapoint: zyppper search "tcptools" ? | 13:31 |
| jeremiah | Oh really? | 13:31 |
| jeremiah | Hmm two serial ports might be good | 13:31 |
| jeremiah | I have a USB hub so I think I will use that for other stuff | 13:31 |
| jeremiah | I am trying to go through this: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners | 13:32 |
| jeremiah | So that I set things up the same way everyone else does | 13:32 |
| jeremiah | Then I want to do this: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Beagleboard_from_scratch#Prerequisites | 13:32 |
| dm8tbr | I guess you should start asking those questions on #beagle if you want to get more specific | 13:32 |
| jeremiah | dm8tbr: Yeah, you're probably right | 13:32 |
| brokendatapoint | ahh i have been trying to search via yum ... zypper search, thanks | 13:32 |
| dm8tbr | jeremiah: and you want to join #meego-arm and talk to harbaum | 13:33 |
| dm8tbr | he's the one working on that | 13:33 |
| jeremiah | Yeah, I'm in that chatroom too. :) | 13:34 |
| jeremiah | I'll start hasseling Till soon enough. =) | 13:34 |
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| CosmoHill | brokendatapoint: I don't know why meego ships with yum | 13:36 |
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| brokendatapoint | just did zypper search tools/net/tcp ... there is net-tools but does not seem to be what i want | 13:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | jeremiah =~ s/chatroom/channel/ | 13:44 |
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| jeremiah | You say potato, I say potato | 13:47 |
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| CosmoHill | but you type the same thing | 13:55 |
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| thiago | installing meego | 14:09 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 14:09 |
| thiago | didn't dawn have some update instructions? | 14:09 |
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| thiago | keyboard installation -- the touchpad click doesn't work | 14:10 |
| okon3 | hi all | 14:10 |
| thiago | there, Windows is gone | 14:12 |
| CosmoHill | http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5120/photoon20100711at1546.jpg | 14:12 |
| CosmoHill | mwhahahahahaha | 14:12 |
| okon3 | nice | 14:13 |
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| gaara | im a newbie here and im gonna start development for meego...though i'm pretty versed with qt...and i wanna know how to make meego appear fullscreen when usin the simulator environment | 14:42 |
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| CosmoHill | maybe add "-screen 1024x768" | 14:47 |
| CosmoHill | but with your resolution | 14:47 |
| gaara | cool thanks will try it | 14:47 |
| gaara | u mean "startmeego -screen 1024x768" | 14:50 |
| gaara | ? | 14:50 |
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| gaara | CosmoHill, ? | 14:50 |
| gaara | well that dint work | 14:51 |
| CosmoHill | oh n | 14:51 |
| CosmoHill | I got it from here | 14:51 |
| CosmoHill | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=767 | 14:51 |
| CosmoHill | "Xephyr :2 -ac -host-cursor -screen 1024x768" | 14:51 |
| gaara | thanks m8... | 14:52 |
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| gaara | oh am supposed to do that outside the root... | 14:53 |
| gaara | hmmm CosmoHill, are u an experienced programmer in meego? | 14:54 |
| CosmoHill | I think so | 14:54 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 14:54 |
| CosmoHill | do I give that illusion? | 14:54 |
| gaara | lol :P jus asked | 14:54 |
| gaara | coz i want to know whats the best way to begin getting involved into the whole meego scenario | 14:55 |
| gaara | i am not interested in fixing bugs | 14:55 |
| gaara | :P | 14:55 |
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| gaara | anyone from india over here? | 15:17 |
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| * CosmoHill checks his pockets | 15:18 | |
| CosmoHill | no I don't seem to have that country on me | 15:19 |
| Tm_T | CosmoHill: check the other pocket | 15:20 |
| krypton | gaara: You will be able to find it on wiki whos who page | 15:22 |
| krypton | I am from India by the way :) | 15:22 |
| CosmoHill | ah i read that as "got" not "from" | 15:23 |
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| okon3 | yeah | 15:27 |
| okon3 | installed emesene on Meego | 15:27 |
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| amjad | ping lbt | 15:28 |
| w00t_ | DawnFoster: can you ban exuberantsolutions (and/or purge them from living too)? | 15:28 |
| CosmoHill | hey w00t_ | 15:28 |
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| amjad | ping X-Fade | 15:30 |
| X-Fade | amjad: pong | 15:30 |
| amjad | i want to help as a tester for community obs :) | 15:32 |
| amjad | and yes i know how to use obs and can really help in fixing build issues | 15:34 |
| X-Fade | amjad: That is always a good thing ;) | 15:34 |
| amjad | :) | 15:35 |
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| GAN900 | amjad, mwkn or mailing list? | 15:47 |
| amjad | mailing list :) | 15:49 |
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| slaine | wondering if I should just mark the ml as all read | 15:57 |
| slaine | X-Fade: is there an ETA on community OBS ? | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | beta testing opened, i believe? | 15:57 |
| X-Fade | slaine: I can give you a test account. | 15:58 |
| slaine | Please, we'd agreed before but I'd no followed up | 15:58 |
| slaine | not followed up that is | 15:58 |
| gaara | anyone here from the localization team? | 15:58 |
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| thiago | how do I change the hostname... | 16:18 |
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| Cosmo[PB] | thiago: hmm | 16:25 |
| Cosmo[PB] | thiago: check /etc/sysconfig/network | 16:25 |
| thiago | thanks | 16:26 |
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| LjL | is the MeeGo one can get running on the N900 totally open source, or are there binary blobs for driving hardware and such? | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | there is SGX drivers, battery management, wifi and bt firmwares, and i think that's about it | 18:06 |
| LjL | Stskeeps: so you could boot the thing and get it running (without those pieces of course) without anything proprietary? | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but it is rather useless without 3d drivers or battery charging, or wifi or bluetooth | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | it is easily fetchable through a repo you get when accepting a EULA | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | so it's not 'inaccessible' closed source blos | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | b | 18:08 |
| LjL | oh, battery management includes the basic things as charging? | 18:08 |
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| Stskeeps | yes.. | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | on PC's this is normally closed source inside ACPI/bios :) | 18:08 |
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| LjL | Stskeeps: true, although the BIOS doesn't have to be loaded at runtime, so there is a slight difference. it's cases when it's hard to tell what's hardware and what's software ;) | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | i personally am happy that when i present ownership of my n900, i get access :P | 18:10 |
| LjL | at any rate, oh well, it sounds better than Android at least. i'm looking for an as-open-as-possible phone. | 18:10 |
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| Stskeeps | we're getting closer :) | 18:11 |
| pinchartl | Stskeeps: what's closed source in the BME, the driver or the firmware ? | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | pinchartl: BME the binary blob, no kernel parts | 18:11 |
| pinchartl | Stskeeps: some kind of userspace daemon ? | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | pinchartl: right | 18:11 |
| pinchartl | LjL: the next major battle will be to get the OpenGL ES chip vendors to open up their specs/drivers | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | i think the next step is just allowing redistributability. | 18:12 |
| pinchartl | Stskeeps: ok thanks. what's blocking there, copyright on the code, specs availability, something else ? | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | pinchartl: for BME? 'boom' being the keyword and patents, i believe | 18:13 |
| LjL | is there anyone trying to reverse-engineer an own driver instead? like they do with Nouveau for instance | 18:13 |
| pinchartl | hehe | 18:13 |
| pinchartl | LjL: not that I know of | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | LjL: for 3d it is difficult, for bme some people are doing it in community | 18:13 |
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| pinchartl | Stskeeps: the BME closed-source userspace component talks with a kernel driver. in theory isn't "boom" already possible with an open-source software talking to the same driver ? | 18:14 |
| LjL | on an unrelated note, is MeeGo on the N810 in anywhere close to an usable state? i've checked the wiki page about it, which makes it sound like there's nothing really ready, but just want to double check | 18:14 |
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| Stskeeps | LjL: we have 2.6.35-rc5 on it, but still work to be done. | 18:16 |
| LjL | Stskeeps: you said the N900 is rather useless without 3D drivers among other things (i guess because of using composite or something) - what about the 810, i don't think that has 3D acceleration at all...? | 18:17 |
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| w00t_ | that is something that Stskeeps and I are going to be doing some work on this week | 18:18 |
| w00t_ | (hopefully..) | 18:18 |
| w00t_ | remains to be seen what luck we'll have | 18:18 |
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| LjL | i'm somewhat considering getting an N810 instead of an N900 because of... you know, the price ;) | 18:19 |
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| arachnist | LjL: n810 has a 3d chip, but there was some issue with memory available to it (it has less memory than needed for a 1 full frame to fit in it) | 18:20 |
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| Myrtti | *yawn* | 18:21 |
| LjL | oh, funny | 18:21 |
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| felipec | is David Woodhouse around? | 18:31 |
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| DawnFoster | stskeeps / w00t_: hey guys! mrshaver has been working on a list of our web infrastructure http://wiki.meego.com/Web_infrastructure if you want to contribute (hint, hint) | 18:32 |
| DawnFoster | I know some of the IRC stuff (meetbot / logs / etc.) needs some details | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: will put it on my todo for tomorrow | 18:33 |
| DawnFoster | no hurry | 18:33 |
| DawnFoster | mrshaver is on vacation this week anyway | 18:34 |
| DawnFoster | I thought it would be nice to get some of it documented for him while he's away | 18:34 |
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| w00t_ | DawnFoster: thanks for the heads up | 18:38 |
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| DawnFoster | we're hoping to get the migration to the OSU OSL servers started soon, but the first step is figuring out where all of the bits and pieces are located now | 18:39 |
| w00t_ | mhm | 18:41 |
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| robster | FunkyPenguin: duno | 18:50 |
| FunkyPenguin | robster, ok well i think ive managed to beat chromium and gcc 4.5 into playing together - with some help | 18:53 |
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| ScottishDuck | I've never had a problem building chromium with gcc 4.5 | 19:22 |
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| odin_ | X-Fade, lbt what is the procedure for being involved with Community OBS testing, there are also a number of others in here who have requested details, but I did not see any response (copyleft, jebba, rohanpm, jeremiah, amjad(got resp from XFade), slaine) | 19:41 |
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| Basmaster | hey all, tryin to boot meego, just hanging at a blinking cursor black screen | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | boot what where? | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:33 |
| Basmaster | who :P | 20:33 |
| Basmaster | it's prolly just not compatible with the ole Celeron 215 i'm betting | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | boot what meego, netbook, handset? | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:34 |
| * Myrtti takes out her sorting hat | 20:34 | |
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| * Stskeeps watches his nokia n8x0 build build away with handset ux and ponders how badly it exactly functions | 20:35 | |
| Basmaster | trying it on a Intel® Desktop Board D201GLY was kinda hoping it would work, really wanna avoid Jolicloud | 20:35 |
| Basmaster | it works but....well it's no Meego | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | is it an atom board or one with ssse3? | 20:36 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Will it magically be able to call? :) | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: on a n8x0? doubt it | 20:36 |
| Basmaster | board with SSE3 yeah | 20:36 |
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| Stskeeps | SSSE3, not SSE3 :) | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: ui lends itself nicely to the older tablets, i think | 20:36 |
| RST38h | Bigger screen. | 20:36 |
| Basmaster | oOoOoOo | 20:37 |
| Basmaster | i see | 20:37 |
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| RST38h | /me wants bigger screen | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:37 |
| RST38h | Atoms should have SSSE3, no? | 20:37 |
| RST38h | Where is X-Fade when you need him? | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully having a cold beer | 20:38 |
| RST38h | His midgard machinery is misbehaving again | 20:38 |
| RST38h | And, btw, if you are still using Maemo5 for reading, vote here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/fbreader/0.10.7-13/ | 20:38 |
| Basmaster | Stskeeps: ya it supports SSSE3 | 20:39 |
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| GordonS | lbt, x-fade: I am interested in trying out the community OBS - that will be usable to build Meego itself, right? | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | probably eventually, but resources might be a little low initially :) | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | what do you intend to build it for? | 20:41 |
| GordonS | well, I'm even willing to set stuff up locally... | 20:41 |
| GordonS | Now see, that's the question too... I am particularly interested in trying building Meego for some older x86 hardware (with the known caveat that it needs 3D acceleration; I have that part handled). | 20:42 |
| GordonS | But, I may also try (at some point) to build it for some other platforms. | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | well, there's guides to be setting up local OBS as well | 20:42 |
| Basmaster | look like back to jolicloud :S | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: does community OBS support linking? | 20:43 |
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| GordonS | Sure - but to date, I haven't figured out where to even get the sources necessary to build... well, that, and I've got a OpenSuSE OBS account. :) | 20:43 |
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| Stskeeps | they're in daily trunk source repo on repo.meego.com :P | 20:43 |
| GordonS | that makes sense :) | 20:43 |
| GordonS | I guess this was a failure to connect the dots on my part :) | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | prjconf is in gitorious i believe | 20:44 |
| GordonS | I saw guides on "here is what you do on OBS" but no other refs | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.meego.com is starting to have a fair bit | 20:44 |
| GordonS | I will give that a shot at some point soon... | 20:44 |
| GordonS | see, my thinking is that an Atom is roughly equivalent CPU horsepower to the fastest P-III systems - which might make it a good candidate for "donate-ware" | 20:45 |
| GordonS | A lot of old hardware passes through/near my hands :) | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | or, better, a OBS cluster ;p | 20:46 |
| GordonS | stskeeps: alarmingly, I think I could do that at home :) | 20:46 |
| felipec | anyone here knows how to contact infradead.org admins? | 20:46 |
| GordonS | I did throw about ten boxes when I was working on an embedded Gentoo project :) | 20:47 |
| w00t_ | felipec: the guy replied on meego-dev, didn't he? :p | 20:47 |
| w00t_ | yes, he did | 20:47 |
| w00t_ | (david woodhouse) | 20:47 |
| thiago | humm.... meego's gcc is crashing | 20:48 |
| thiago | /home/thiago/src/troll/qt/src/corelib/codecs/qsimplecodec.cpp:710: internal compiler error: in see_copy_insn, at see.c:2451 | 20:48 |
| felipec | w00t_: yeah, but I sent another mail that hasn't been replied... and I wonder if I can catch him on IRC somewhere | 20:48 |
| felipec | maybe thare are other admins, who knows | 20:48 |
| GordonS | thiago: which gcc is that? | 20:49 |
| felipec | anyway, gotta go now | 20:49 |
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| thiago | 4.4.2 | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | we're at gcc4.5 in trunk now i think | 20:50 |
| thiago | yeah, but this is netbook 1.0 | 20:51 |
| GordonS | and since I know you are not a Gentoo fanboy, you're not using crazy stuff like -floop-foo :) | 20:51 |
| GordonS | thiago: can I see the output of "gcc --v"? | 20:52 |
| odin_ | ooo it feels good that MeeGo is keeping uptodate with the rest of the world (Re GCC version update) and not stuck with 2 year old stuff | 20:53 |
| thiago | GordonS: http://pastebin.ca/1899150 | 20:53 |
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| GordonS | what opti flags were you using? | 20:54 |
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| * GordonS wonders wtf "--enable-gnu-unique-object" does... he's never even seen that flag... | 20:54 | |
| thiago | -O3 -g -fsee -ftree-loop-linear -floop-interchange -floop-strip-mine -floop-block -ftree-loop-distribution -ftree-loop-im -funroll-loops | 20:54 |
| Drakeson | [appologizing for the off topic,] which phone do you recommend for doing meego development? | 20:54 |
| odin_ | ok GordonS added to the list, and RST38h ??? lets go do the conga... dar dar dar! | 20:54 |
| GordonS | thiago: -floop-foo is buggy as hell on gcc 4.4 | 20:54 |
| odin_ | X-Fade, lbt what is the procedure for being involved with Community OBS testing, there are also a number of others in here who have requested details, but I did not see any response (copyleft, jebba, rohanpm, jeremiah, amjad(got resp from XFade), slaine, GordonS, ...) | 20:55 |
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| thiago | can I keep the -ftree? | 20:55 |
| GordonS | those are fine | 20:55 |
| thiago | how about -fsee ? | 20:55 |
| GordonS | hmm... don't remember, lemme check what that does again :) | 20:56 |
| GordonS | That one should be fine, I think. | 20:56 |
| thiago | it's the one that the compiler is having an ICE in | 20:57 |
| thiago | see_copy_isns | 20:57 |
| thiago | insn | 20:57 |
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| GordonS | even with the -floop stuff gone? | 20:57 |
| thiago | let's find out | 20:57 |
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| thiago | yes | 20:58 |
| GordonS | wuh | 20:58 |
| GordonS | duly noted, I'll be sure to avoid that one :) | 20:58 |
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| GordonS | I asked because I have seen cases where combining -floop-foo and one of several other flags breaks | 20:59 |
| GordonS | but the other flags by themselves are fine | 20:59 |
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| thiago | interesting, CXXFLAGS is set by default on MeeGo | 21:00 |
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| ScottishDuck | CXXFLAGS should always be ${CFLAGS} imo | 21:01 |
| thiago | yeah | 21:01 |
| GordonS | well... | 21:01 |
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| GordonS | there are rare cases where you need to set *additional* stuff in CXXFLAGS | 21:02 |
| thiago | -march=core2 -mtune=atom -mfpmath=sse -fno-strict-aliasing | 21:02 |
| GordonS | but I don't remember why I needed that | 21:02 |
| * thiago removes the latter part | 21:02 | |
| thiago | good code doesn't have aliasing issues :-) | 21:02 |
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| GordonS | thiago: FWIW I have actually had decent luck with -mfpmath=sse,387 in 4.5 | 21:02 |
| ScottishDuck | no need for -mtune | 21:02 |
| ScottishDuck | oh wait | 21:02 |
| GordonS | sure there is | 21:02 |
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| GordonS | bwahaha | 21:03 |
| arachnist | poor being | 21:04 |
| arachnist | thiago: that's a torture | 21:04 |
| thiago | load avg 4.63 | 21:04 |
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| arachnist | thiago: most things don't parallelize well | 21:04 |
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| thiago | building does | 21:04 |
| arachnist | thiago: try the same in kernel sources | 21:04 |
| arachnist | thiago: no. i mean, most packages don't parallelize building well | 21:05 |
| thiago | Qt does :-) | 21:05 |
| GordonS | indeed yes | 21:05 |
| GordonS | this is part of why I got a gigabit router for home :) | 21:05 |
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| thiago | but the farm isn't distributing... | 21:06 |
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| * GordonS is now imagining trying to distribute a cow... messy... | 21:08 | |
| RST38h | moo? | 21:08 |
| GordonS | "Moo! *splat*" | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | moo-hoo. | 21:08 |
| Cosmo[PB] | Burgers? | 21:09 |
| GordonS | indeed! | 21:09 |
| GordonS | but that is also messy, if you are the one doing the distribution :) | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | burgers == distributed cow with topping? | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:09 |
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| thiago | how does one build the kernel? | 21:15 |
| thiago | make => no CPU usage | 21:15 |
| Cosmo[PB] | dammit | 21:15 |
| Cosmo[PB] | my windows server has unactivated itself because the BIOS clock got reset | 21:15 |
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| GordonS | thiago: you mean, specifically for Meego, or in general?: | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: the meego kernel? rpmbuild or sacrificing virgins | 21:15 |
| thiago | in general | 21:15 |
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| GordonS | *spltf* | 21:15 |
| GordonS | thiago: "make defconfig", then "make bzImage" | 21:16 |
| GordonS | um... | 21:16 |
| thiago | uh... it gets stuck trying to compile from stdin | 21:17 |
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| GordonS | whaaa?!? | 21:17 |
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| GordonS | now *that* is a new one on me... | 21:17 |
| GordonS | you have a .config file? | 21:17 |
| thiago | never mind | 21:18 |
| GordonS | oh good :) | 21:18 |
| thiago | it's tb | 21:18 |
| GordonS | ah, can't help there :) | 21:18 |
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| thiago | tb didn't know what to do with -isystem | 21:21 |
| thiago | script fixed | 21:21 |
| thiago | building | 21:21 |
| thiago | it will fail because the kernel does some really strange things like assembly include of an .so file | 21:22 |
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| GordonS | cosmo[pb]: yah | 21:31 |
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| CosmoHill | my BIOS clock got reset and I didn't notice for a bit | 21:33 |
| CosmoHill | so I corrected it when I did | 21:33 |
| CosmoHill | suddenly I'm a pirate! | 21:33 |
| lcuk | yarrr | 21:34 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, ask microsoft for a cutlass | 21:35 |
| lcuk | its a good job, they dont have similar on macs | 21:35 |
| lcuk | or you would have to wear an iPatch | 21:35 |
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| thiago | GordonS: kernel build without the compiler farm: 748,29s user 36,74s system 655% cpu 1:59,83 total | 21:41 |
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| * thiago dropped the build farm for a second | 21:51 | |
| thiago | OOM Killer entered into action on the netbook | 21:51 |
| * Stskeeps grins a bit at meegotouch-home on his n8x0 | 21:51 | |
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| GordonS | thiago: doh! | 21:52 |
| thiago | this is why toolchains should be compiled for old systems: | 21:53 |
| thiago | FATAL: kernel too old | 21:53 |
| thiago | tb: /usr/bin/g++ failed on 172.24.90.90 with exit code 1 | 21:53 |
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| thiago | it's the oldest computer in the farm | 21:56 |
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| CosmoHill | computer farm? | 21:58 |
| CosmoHill | I'm interested now | 21:58 |
| CosmoHill | (since I'm doing something like that for my dissertation | 21:59 |
| GordonS | for growing new computers? cool :) | 21:59 |
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| thiago | yeah, they grow like on trees | 22:00 |
| * thiago cheats and installs his Mandriva compiler | 22:00 | |
| thiago | telling the farm that it's the same (4.4.3 vs 4.4.2) | 22:00 |
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| thiago | bleh | 22:03 |
| thiago | /home/thiago/src/troll/qt/src/tools/uic/cpp/cppwriteinitialization.cpp:1: error: bad value (atom) for -mtune= switch | 22:03 |
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| thiago | there, there :-) | 22:06 |
| GordonS | thiago: I need to find a flextop tree :) | 22:07 |
| thiago | CosmoHill: we have a tool that distributes compile jobs | 22:07 |
| thiago | it is run instead of your regular compiler, so it contacts the scheduler and finds out if anyone can help | 22:08 |
| CosmoHill | I'll have this: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/cosmo_cluster/nec-20.jpg | 22:08 |
| thiago | if someone can help, it preprocesses and sends the preprocessed output to the other machine | 22:08 |
| CosmoHill | thiago: I think you've told me about it | 22:08 |
| CosmoHill | this* | 22:08 |
| thiago | the other machine compiles and sends back | 22:08 |
| CosmoHill | it's not a decicated server farm but rather a collection of workstations running something in the background? | 22:08 |
| thiago | yes | 22:08 |
| thiago | the poor underpowered Atom is fast enough to drive 8-10 simultaneous compile jobs in other machines | 22:09 |
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| CosmoHill | sounds goof | 22:09 |
| CosmoHill | good* | 22:09 |
| thiago | let's see how fast it can build QtCore | 22:09 |
| CosmoHill | I tried to use distcc to compile things on faster computers than my laptop | 22:10 |
| thiago | last compile jobs running... | 22:10 |
| CosmoHill | typically they've moved all of them | 22:13 |
| CosmoHill | and put them together in one pile | 22:13 |
| CosmoHill | so I now have no idea which ones work and which are the faulty ones I've put to one side | 22:13 |
| thiago | harfbuzz-gpos.c is the last one | 22:13 |
| GordonS | ack, gotta run | 22:13 |
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| thiago | this time it worked | 22:17 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 22:18 |
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| thiago | it wedged again. I don't get it | 22:18 |
| * thiago blames on the host he had to blacklist | 22:18 | |
| CosmoHill | the old one | 22:18 |
| thiago | yes | 22:18 |
| thiago | which is now unreachable from the netbook | 22:19 |
| CosmoHill | i bet it's still better than anything I have :p | 22:19 |
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| thiago | I need to kick estrella out of the network | 22:22 |
| thiago | but the shared root password doesn't work on it | 22:22 |
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| Stskeeps | auke: ping | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | auke: experienced no-bringup of handset UX on today's image and i'm wondering if these two lines in desktop.c of uxlaunch has something to deal with it: | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | if (strstr(session, "mompositor")) | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | snprintf(session_filter, 16, "X-MEEGO-HS"); | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | (spot the error) | 22:26 |
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| * thiago wonders what a mompositor is :-) | 22:28 | |
| Robot101 | let's write one! | 22:29 |
| CosmoHill | is it software to position your mum? | 22:29 |
| TSCHAKeee | haaa | 22:30 |
| Robot101 | must... resist... terrible... joke... | 22:30 |
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| Myrtti | thanks. | 22:32 |
| Myrtti | I'm overjoyed | 22:32 |
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| * Stskeeps bzips up his n8x0 image with handset UX. | 22:35 | |
| Stskeeps | compositor is obviously shot but rest, .. with a bit of vfp and some minor optimization, it could actually be decent :P | 22:35 |
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| w00t_ | Stskeeps: FPS? :) | 22:43 |
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| w00t_ | Stskeeps: also, I take it that's with the M_USE_SOFTWARE_MODE | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | w00t_: 1.1 but it seems more responsive than last time ;p | 22:43 |
| w00t_ | patch | 22:43 |
| w00t_ | lol | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | this is completely unoptimized | 22:43 |
| w00t_ | it would be interesting to see what enabling optimisations would do.. | 22:44 |
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| w00t_ | Stskeeps: I'm a bit annoyed | 22:45 |
| w00t_ | spent the past hour chasing ghosts in the form of out of date debug symbols. | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:45 |
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| Stskeeps | proof of concept software rendering meego handset ux on a Nokia N810 (rootfs+kernel), http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=5508&postcount=47 | 23:04 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: oh, nice. maybe I should try software rendering until I get EGL working | 23:05 |
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| Stskeeps | i had to patch libmeegotouch but so it goes | 23:07 |
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