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josemoreirahi02:47
josemoreiraanyone else "having a problem with fonts" ?02:48
josemoreirai've set all fonts to 8px but UI fonts still have the same size02:48
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kisseomg... what instant messenger does MeeGo use?02:52
josemoreiraTelepathy?02:53
josemoreirai miss xchat over there :/02:53
josemoreirabut i love. its amazing. but i need xchat02:54
josemoreiraand smaller UI fonts02:54
kissewell, like my problem is that it totally blows off invisible mode for various people02:55
kisseso, there's this person who is highly prone to harassing me, is now harassing me again02:55
kisseand I can't find anything to block them02:56
josemoreiratell them your gay :p02:56
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josemoreiraor you have aids and its contagious over the internet02:57
kisseum.. a) I'm a girl, and b) the other person is a girl as well02:57
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josemoreiraerrhmm02:57
josemoreirawell if it gets really nasty you can do 1 thing, but its .... really for last resorts02:58
kisseyeah, I'm very much wanting to not get into cat fights with this bitch, and that's why she's on my block list, and everything, but I don't have any way to do it02:58
josemoreiratell her you.... shhh .... *use Windows*02:59
josemoreira;P02:59
kisseheh02:59
josemoreirawhat networks is that? msn?02:59
kisseI have Win7, but my free activation period just expired02:59
kisseeh... she has me on YIM and MSN02:59
josemoreiracant you block her on the websites?03:00
josemoreirai heard you can manage contacts on the windows msn website03:00
kisseshe was already blocked a long time ago03:00
josemoreiraand its not working? :/03:00
kisseusing pidgin things work fine, and she isn't all "why are you unblocking me... you must be plotting some shit agianst me, I hate you, die in a fire, fuck you, I hate you"03:01
kisseyeah, it's not working03:01
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josemoreira./03:01
josemoreirareport it to microsoft?03:02
kisseyeah, so now that my Win7 has expired, and I can't block her in MeeGo, I no longer have IM03:02
josemoreirasend an email to support03:02
josemoreirakisse, install ubuntu?03:02
josemoreiraor mint, i like mint03:02
kisseyeah, I'm debating just installing SUSE right now03:02
kisseXFCE isn't that bad03:02
josemoreiraye suse is nice but ....03:02
kisse<--- Germanophile here03:03
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josemoreiramy opinion is that the debian package managers/repos are a lot better03:03
josemoreiraim portuguese and i love suse also03:03
josemoreirabut its like i said03:03
kisseyeah, I can see that03:03
josemoreirai used to love it more before kde403:03
josemoreiracause their kde/gnome integration rocked and i was a fan of the old konqueror03:04
kisseI don't know... I'm religiously blocked from using KDE403:04
josemoreiramee to03:05
josemoreirai dont like the UI03:05
josemoreirabut konqueror was the real deal03:05
josemoreirabefore nautilus got tabs :)03:06
kisseBack then, I was using Galeon03:06
josemoreirathats like, 199903:07
josemoreira:)03:07
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comradekinguMeeGo 1.0 Netbook Update  "a lot of translation update"   ...08:10
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fengshaunis meego's source available fully?08:22
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fengshaunI mean, is it absolutely and completely open? (unlike android, which is only partially open)08:22
comradekinguThere is a separate repo for non-oss so i suppose it is08:23
fengshauncomradekingu: what does non-oss contain?08:24
comradekingunon-open source software, presumably08:24
fengshauncan I have the link to such repo?08:24
comradekinguwell, even debian has such a thing, question is how much does the actual installation pull in08:25
fengshaunI just want a truly open platform for my phone.  Android doesn't cut it, it's too closed for my taste!08:26
fengshaunso much that I have to rely on rumors for what comes in the next version.08:26
comradekingufengshaun: My suggestion would be debian08:27
fengshaunput debian on my phone?08:28
comradekingufengshaun: make of it what you will08:29
fengshaunhmmm I haven't thought about it, but I'll look into that for sure.  Thanks.08:30
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comradekingufengshaun: http://www.gnewsense.org/index.php?n=FAQ.FAQ08:35
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comradekingugNewSense 3.0 will be based on Debian, so thats that08:35
fengshauncomradekingu: cool!  thanks a lot!  Although that kind of 'free' is hardcore!08:36
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comradekingufengshaun: Short of running GNU/hurd I suppose it is taking it to the extreme08:38
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fengshaunso, what parts of meego are still closed?08:50
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timeless_mbpthe pieces that vendors choose not to open?09:30
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meegodotbyhi all11:38
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odin_Stskeeps, in relation to your recent thread meego-dev, part of the points raised (by others) was over the "shared infrastructure" i.e. that used under the and in the name of meego.com branding12:09
odin_the point made by intel representatives was that there is a cost to adding an architecture to the shared infrastructure and that intel/nokia shouldn't be expected to fund unlimited expansion of meego in this way12:10
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odin_this is understandable, but it is not clear how a body/corporation/group-of-people would get on equal footing under the meego branding if there is to be a situation that the shared infrastructure can only be used to further the product lines Intel/Nokia directly support12:12
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odin_for example as soon as "shared infrastructure" it comes online people might wish to add i686 support (i.e. for systems without SSSE3) and also n8x0 (and even n900) support12:14
odin_while this support is not directly supported by intel/nokia it does further the cause of MeeGo brand in a good way and intel/nokia is not expected to directly put any man-hours into it12:14
odin_however there is a cost to hosting/building/distributing it, so what is not clear to me is how that works12:15
Stskeepsi'm going to need more coffee before discussing :)12:16
odin_I hope soon for clarification, since a misunderstaning could result in a fork and a separate fund-raising initiative to obtain "independent shared infrastructure" that would truly be the communities, along the lines of debian/centos12:17
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Stskeepsother archs even on debian need donations of boards, i don't see why intel would have to donate MIPS boards.. as long as there's a possibility to get extra infrastructure bought, i don't see a problem12:18
odin_such an effort might not carry the MeeGo branding (due to unknown legal issues) but a more generic "open distribution for linux on mobile/netbook/embedded devices", which would not be a good thing, as it would further fragment efforts12:18
odin_sure on the more coffee!12:18
Stskeepsand keep in mind that it isn't only for furthering intel and nokia efforts, it is exclusively about the platforms supported!12:19
Stskeeps:P12:19
Stskeepsmeego infrastructure exists to support the roadmap12:19
odin_well this point is the most important for my own continued interest in "MeeGo"12:19
Stskeepsthere is a big cost to build infrastructure and the LF umbrella exists for others to be able to put infra in. i think that makes sense.12:20
odin_but I don't see anyone asking anyone to manage a MIPS platform, does that exist already in the spare MeeGo is in (portable and emebded devices)12:20
odin_s/apre/space/12:21
Stskeepsi think you're worrying too much :)12:21
odin_yes maybe I am, but this is the first time I have seem intel representatives hold a view that is problematic to me12:22
Stskeepsin the narrow space of build power, they have a pretty good point12:22
Stskeepsespecially since setting up your own OBS or maybe even donating more power to the cluster is possible12:22
odin_even if i686 and n8x0/n900 is not supported, I do expect to see it up on the shared infrastructure, maybe not with equal footing, since I would not have a problem if intel/nokia added extra resources dedicated to their goals (so long as some amount of shared/pooled resources exist for community lead goals)  at the moment there are no resources (other than communication)12:23
TermanaIf this is the first time Intel has worried you, you must not have been watching what they have been doing.12:24
Stskeepsok, you're writing too long sentences again - what should be run on the main meego builder is stuff that exists on the meego roadmap.12:24
odin_Termana, what are your concerns then ?  you mean Intel+Android ?  or ???12:24
Stskeepsthe most common way to get things implemented on roadmap is saying you'll take the lead on it12:24
Stskeepsie, resources, people, contributions12:25
Termanaodin_, no I have concerns over things Intel have done regarding MeeGo. I have no concern that they are also supporting Android, the more the merrier.12:25
Stskeepsand the community OBS is right around the corner, as well12:25
odin_Termana, feel free to explain further, I have concerns with any non-desktop compatible choices, where backward compatibility has been lost with Linux desktop/workstation/server/whatever, i.e. optimization is not king, interoperability is king12:26
Stskeepsa product needs to be put out, resources are limited and additional architectures -does- slow down general process of project12:26
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Stskeepsif additional resources are not contributed12:27
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Stskeepswhich, frankly, if you don't have tunnel vision and a general overview of the project, makes a lot of sense :)12:29
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odin_yes understood on the main goals of intel/nokia interest, to get a end user product out the door, but also, they want a community and eco-system to continue to sell into for their efforts12:30
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Stskeepsactually, they just want a platform product out the door, like all of us - community and eco-system will appear using the community OBS and those efforts might be recognised and included into real roadmap12:31
Stskeepsif we can't keep deadlines or get a product out, we might as well go home and call ourselves openmoko :P12:31
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Stskeepsodin_: let's step back a bit12:32
TermanaI personally dislike the fact that Intel has decided i386 is "not their platform". What's worse is they are setting it up so that i386 support is going to be a pain in the arse. Eg. apps will be compiled for SSSE3 platforms only.12:32
odin_well its not even clear to me why MeeGo 1.1 will be a step up from Meamo5 PR1.2 or whatever, I'd be very happy with a straight conversion, its only other forces pushing for other changes12:32
odin_Termana, yes I agree with the general sentiment there, if they used their own dynamic link path or ELF capabilities to achieve the goal then that would seem ok12:34
StskeepsTermana: if they want to have a chance with power saving, they need to target atom somehow :P12:34
TermanaLuckily, I don't concern myself with the x86 side of MeeGo, and only care about the ARM side. :P12:34
Stskeepsodin_: i think the best way to see meego is as a company. the 'owner' is linux foundation, investors are intel and nokia and others. a project structure has been set up, company plans (roadmap), budgets and such. the exception is that the employees of the company can be anyone and there's a free-flow HR process where people can walk into the building and watch how people work, perhaps give a hand. these people work on roadmap and use ...12:35
odin_I don't myself see the connection between power saving and atom and how this connects with enforcing SSSE3, the matters seem unrelated to me12:35
Stskeeps... company resources for that - when there's additional projects that needs resources it needs to be approved on budget, if sufficiently large, an investor might have to be found.12:35
TermanaStskeeps, now who's writing too long sentences now? :P hehe12:36
StskeepsTermana: odin was going to preempt me in the middle of describing otherwise12:36
Stskeeps:P12:36
odin_does anyone have an article on how SSSE3 optimizations apply to general compiler usage, I've looked over the insn set and can't see much that can be used for general purpose code12:38
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odin_sure there are alignment and instruction order optimizations but those are backward/binary compatible with older generations of chips12:39
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odin_SSSE3 implies a bunch of other SIMD schemes, so maybe the optimization for general purpose code generation relates to instructions in those older schemes (SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSE3.1 or whatever they are called)12:40
Stskeepsi think ssse3 makes things faster in general and makes things more convincing :P12:40
Stskeepsespecially rendering12:40
odin_you're not "convincing" me like that!12:40
Stskeepsi'm not here to convince you about ssse312:41
Stskeeps:P12:41
odin_rendering is specialized, as in Mesa/OpenGL, I'm trying to understand the ABI changes, this is the breakage I have objections about12:41
Stskeepsthe above was so you understand why some things are like they are, or opinions12:41
Stskeeps(the company thing)12:42
Stskeepsthere's general practical concerns behind things12:42
odin_using newer CPU instructions support for optimizing specific libraries is not the problem, breaking the ABI linkage is12:43
Stskeepswhen are they breaking abi linkage? :P12:43
odin_having code that crashes with SIGILL12:43
Stskeepsyou can still use i386 binaries on the meego atom platform?12:43
odin_not sure on the answer to that12:44
Stskeepsi think you might be misunderstanding the problem a bit :)12:44
Stskeepsthe SIGILL comes from people who are running SSSE3 binaries on non-SSSE3 machines12:44
Stskeepsnormal i386 binaries work fine on meego atom platform12:44
odin_no program should crash with SIGILL due to use of CPU specific instruction not supported by the Linux IA32 ABI12:44
odin_^^^ that project should not even run12:45
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Stskeeps[citation needed]12:45
Stskeepsi think SIGILL is a perfectly natural response to well, an illegal instruction, being asked to run a SSSE3 instruction on a non-SSSE3 system12:45
odin_let me see what the wording of the Linux IA32 ABI reads12:46
odin_yes when the kernel is forced into trying to execute it12:46
Stskeepsjust like ARMv7 binaries doesn't run on ARMv512:46
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odin_it is the correct response12:46
Stskeeps(and they share same EABI)12:46
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odin_the problem is that there is no recovery mechanism for SIGILL (in most programs)12:47
odin_so that means potential data lossage12:47
Stskeepswhy should there be? it's a binary optimized for a certain instruction set/processor12:47
Stskeepswhich normally means this doesn't work on anything lower12:47
odin_but ABIs dictate the instructions you can use12:48
Stskeepsnot really12:48
odin_"really" ?12:48
thiago_homethe moment that you got the SIGILL, you're lost12:48
Stskeeps[citation needed], still12:48
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Stskeepsodin_: on arm there's stuff like thumb interworking and such12:49
Stskeepsbut a decided ban on 'processor specific' instructions, i highly doubt12:49
odin_no the spec is written the other way12:49
Stskeepssince you side stepped this topic a bit, do you now see why they wouldn't automatically add another architecture, regarding my view of meego as a company needing to make something happen?12:49
Stskeepsodin_: well, then find proof - i'll go make coffee12:50
odin_as in the older CPU with fewer instructions was around the time the ABI is created12:50
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odin_when new CPU comes and new INSNs then ABI is updated or a new one created about how to support them12:50
Stskeepsare we trying to make atom binaries run on non-atom, or are we trying to get non-atom binaries running on atom? ..12:51
Stskeepsbecause i'm astonished you're surprised that binaries build for a newer processor doesn't run on old ones12:51
odin_we are trying to make a non-atom not run atom binaries in the first place, where non-atom means lowest supported CPU for the Linux IA32 ABI and atom means running code that directly uses SSSE3 without guarding it12:52
Stskeepsok, find citations that this is required, thank you12:53
thiago_homeyou can't run unguarded instructions12:53
thiago_homewell, you could with kernel help emulating those instructions12:53
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odin_so in the case of MeeGo, a non-atom CPU installed MeeGo netbook edition, he boots up and init fails to run12:53
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Stskeepsright, at least we're on same page now12:54
thiago_homeexpected result, yes12:54
Stskeepsguarding comes with a large performance cost and that's why i doubt it's in ABI12:54
odin_plenty of application correctly guard optimizations12:54
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odin_huh what performance cost ?12:54
Stskeepsin source, right?12:54
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Stskeepskeep in mind this is the compiler spitting out ssse3 instructions, not assembly in the source :)12:55
odin_you do CPU detection, you then modify your DSO entrypoints to point functions/symbols at the versions that work for your CPU, this means one DSO can support an unlimited number of optimizations12:55
thiago_homeyes, it's possible12:55
Stskeepsodin_: yes, but does gcc do this? :P12:55
thiago_homeI don't know if ld.so does it either12:56
odin_which also brings the point, what general purpose code is spitting out SSSE3, I'd like to understand that, which instructions are we talking about and what is the i386 way of doing the same?12:56
Stskeepsodin_: gcc is spitting it out and any vector like things12:56
thiago_homeodin_: gcc does that12:56
thiago_homedisassemble one of the binaries and find any SSSE3 instructions12:57
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odin_"vector like things" somewhat vague, since vector work used in OpenGL is domain specific, i.e. there isn't any C language expression to ask the compiler to do something for general purpose code12:58
Stskeepsi don't know specifics, but gcc generates those things12:59
Stskeeps:P12:59
odin_yes I'm not even sure which binaries have SSSE3 instructions in them, do you know any to run, "objdump -d ./a.out" on /12:59
Stskeepswe're drifting though - it will generate the SSSE3 instructions, and why is this a problem?13:00
lbtodin_:  http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-July/003816.html13:00
lbtnot that anyone replied in a meaningful way ...13:01
thiago_homeall binaries potentially contain SSSE313:01
thiago_homewhich ones actually do depends on the optimisation flags you used, the compiler version and the source code13:01
thiago_homeand a change in any of them can add or remove instructions13:02
odin_lbt, yes have read that reply, there is no problem with motivation to provide SSSE3 optimized binaries, the issue is "the method"13:02
thiago_homewhat method?13:03
lbtIntel are using MeeGo.com to make "the Intel MeeGo" not "the community MeeGo"13:03
odin_thiago_home, and the issue there is that such binaries just should not start/load/run on systems that do not support them (it does not matter how they are supported, i.e. native or emulated by kernel traps)13:03
thiago_homeodin_: so you're saying that this should be encoded in the ELF header and the kernel should refuse to load?13:04
thiago_homelbt: Intel contributed the hardware and they want it optimised for their platform13:04
thiago_homesomeone else can build for other platforms13:04
lbtnot a good argument13:04
thiago_homeit is a good argument13:05
thiago_homethe LF can build for a lower platform13:05
thiago_homeIntel won't13:05
lbtthat's not sponsorship; that's a vendor specific build platform13:05
odin_thiago, yes (if supported by the existing ABIs), or a change in dynamic linker path (if support is not compatible)13:05
thiago_homethat's not sponsorship, it's their hardware13:05
lbtok.. then it should be build.meego.intel.com13:05
thiago_homelike I said, LF can set up the other builds, with money sponsored13:06
lbtI actually thought MeeGo.com was the LF platform13:06
* thiago_home couldn't find any SSSE3 instruction in his SSE4-enabled QtCore, QtGui and QtWebKit13:07
lbtthiago_home: that's the point ... it's "random" - or at least not humanly determinable if a given application will choke13:07
thiago_homeyes, it is13:08
odin_^^^ and that also is part of the problem, you don't know which do and which don't and most don't, so is the breaking backward compatibility cost worth this much to intel ?13:08
thiago_homein the ICC build I did find pshufb13:08
thiago_homenow palignr13:08
lbtand given the entirety of Qt doesn't use it then I challeng the "performance" it offers13:08
odin_lbt, here here me too13:08
odin_is there an ICC OBS platform ?13:08
thiago_homea total of 4 SSSE3 instructions on QtGui13:09
odin_do intel intend to use ICC to distribute "Intel MeeGo on a device"13:09
Stskeepslbt: on the other hand 'optimized for atom' sells13:09
thiago_homeno, forget ICC13:09
lbtStskeeps: and that's my point...13:09
thiago_homeI'm just looking at it because I do have it13:09
lbt(as per the mail)13:09
Stskeepslbt: and attracts developers to the platform and set of development hardware, etc..13:09
Stskeeps:P13:09
odin_it can be alignment and instruction order optimized for atom and still be called "optimized for atom"13:09
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RST38hA little offtopic: could somebody tell me how to configure ssh client to avoid dropping connections?13:10
odin_RST38h, dropping in what way ?  you mean when idle over time ?13:10
thiago_homethat's -mtune=atom13:10
thiago_homeI still don't get what the problem is13:10
RST38hodin: I think so13:10
thiago_homewhy hasn't anyone built for generic i586 yet?13:10
lbtthiago_home: how?13:11
thiago_homearen't the sources available?13:11
RST38hthiago: Maybe nobody needs it, really?13:11
lbtand isn't that the job of MeeGo.com?13:11
RST38hI mean, there is Ubuntu Linux =)13:11
odin_RST38h, -2 -o TCPKeepAlive=yes  -o ServerAliveInterval=90013:11
RST38hodin: ACK.13:11
odin_RST38h, man ssh_config and sshd_config (for "Alive")13:12
thiago_homelbt: maybe it is. Have you contacted the LF people about this?13:12
lbtRST38h: and that's the point "oh, I need that HW to run it. Ubuntu runs on my laptop. Bye MeeGo"13:12
lbtthiago_home: not directly13:12
thiago_homelbt: has anyone?13:12
lbtalthough dl9pf is LF iirc13:12
RST38hlbt: Believe me, when reaching that point, I do not even consider the hardware I need13:13
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lbtthiago_home: should we need to thiago_home?13:13
Stskeepsisn't meego infrastructure for roadmapped activities? :P13:13
thiago_homelbt: yeah13:13
RST38hodin; That is the weird part: ssh_config does not appear to have these options13:13
thiago_homedon't assume people thought of those issues13:13
thiago_homebring it up13:13
thiago_homemake the case as to why this would be necessary, and work together with them to bring up the solution13:14
thiago_homean OBS to build for generic i58613:14
lbtI started writing 15 mins ago :)13:14
odin_RST38h, what distro ?  they have not always been there but have been over the past 3 years of OpenSSH releases13:14
thiago_homeLF might have to search for a sponsor for the machines and storage13:14
lbtthiago_home: although obviously the community OBS is a potential place for this13:14
lbtand it's on my todo list13:14
thiago_homeand isn't that something that LF can/will host?13:15
lbtwe've been promised some HW for mid-june13:15
odin_thiago_home no generic i586 as there is no comminity OBS and distribution point, but the recent meego-dev mailing list topics have indicated that such things might not be supported by Intel/Nokia community platform anyway13:15
* lbt checks his watch13:15
thiago_homeodin_: what do you mean?13:15
RST38hodin: Ubuntu13:15
lbtodin_: there is a community OBS13:15
RST38hAnyway, added them, let me reconnect...13:15
lbtRST38h: stop trolling; you got ssh support... be nice13:16
odin_thiago_home, which raises the question, should the community setup a desperate disto (maybe not called MeeGo) and raise its own funds (like debian/CentOS) for its own goals on that13:16
RST38hlbt: But, the thing is, I am not trolling13:16
lbtodin_: I'd rather MeeGo.com became the community distro13:16
RST38hlbt: I am pointing out a legitimate reason why Meego is not very popular on laptops (netbooks included)13:16
thiago_homeodin_: you lost me at the previous line13:17
odin_thiago_home, the point has been of the "cost" of the shared infrastructure and Intel employees having said that Intel should not be burdened with the cost of supporting other arch/platforms/builds13:17
thiago_homeodin_: what do you mean?13:17
RST38hlbt: There is well established competition that has everything set up and working13:17
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lbtRST38h: once is enough... I know it. I *work* for Nokia and AFAIK can't run MeeGo. I've actually never seen it running :)13:17
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RST38hlbt: Oh, I see it running daily on platforms that have not see silicon yet, but still ...13:18
odin_thiago_home, worst case scenario I paint is that these resources can not be used for i386/i686 builds not for n8x0/n900 builds13:18
odin_lbt, yes I'd rather MeeGo was a community distro, but I am just trying to understand the commercial aspects of the "shared resources" and who gets to dictate what is and is not on the agenda, since I think that my idea of "community" is not the same as "Intel's idea of community"13:19
lbtthe model is that Nokia (as a vendor) has an internal OBS to optimise for a commercial product13:19
RST38hit never is...13:20
lbtWhy does Intel get to optimise on the MeeGo.com ?13:20
odin_lbt, so Intel should have the same, a private OBS for their own R&D and optimizations and stuff13:20
RST38hodin: The idea is that there is a distro and a bunch of manufacturers who take it and customize it to their needs13:20
thiago_homelbt: and why can't the externals get the results of Nokia's build?13:20
RST38hodin: The distro is largely x86-oriented13:20
odin_lbt, I do not have an issue with intel optimizing on MeeGo.com, I have an issue with them blocking the potential for an i386/i686 (non -SSSE3) distro from also being put on there13:20
RST38hodin: Or, Atom-oriented to be exact. Although this may change in the future to embrace other x86 platforms13:21
lbtthiago_home: they can13:21
lbtthey buy Nokia product and get access13:21
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thiago_homeso I can't put it on my other device?13:21
lbtlicense permitting13:22
RST38hodin: As far as your problem goes, I have heard that you only need to recompile the kernel without SSSE3 quirks13:22
lbtMeeGo is designed to allow commercialisation13:22
lbtwe know that13:22
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lbtbut MeeGo.com is supposed to be open and to minimise barrier to entry13:22
RST38hlbt: But it does not prevent anyone from making their own fully totally community distro based on Meego13:22
thiago_homefrom my point of view, the Atom-optimised build is Intel's OBS that is just in the public13:22
lbtRST38h: correct13:22
thiago_homeshould there be a non-Atom optimised build? Maybe, who would use it?13:23
odin_RST38h, I don't think the kernel is incompatible, I hear its a userspace problem, this is because more than a handful of people have reported putting it on their non-SSSE3 notebook and it appears to work, but something keeps crashing13:23
lbtthiago_home: anyone with a non-Atom device13:23
lbteg my AMD desktop13:23
odin_RST38h, something, as in just this one thing, and they want support on why13:23
thiago_homewhy are you running MeeGo on that?13:23
thiago_homeis it a netbook?13:23
lbtthiago_home: I can't run MeeGo on it13:23
lbtthat's the point13:23
odin_what is a netbook, is that a marketing term?  be more scientific in the description13:23
lbtor, to be fair, I don't think I can13:24
thiago_homewhy are you trying to? Is it a netbook?13:24
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RST38hodin: I have heard from some OTC people here (correct me if I am wrong) that SSSE3 gives you +20% performance on certain tasks13:24
thiago_homeI completely agree that the SDK must run on your workstation13:24
lbtthiago_home: As Arjan says ... we should be OK running MeeGo as our desktop for daily life13:24
lbteat dogfood13:24
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RST38hodin: And because they target Atom based devices anyway, they can say that SSSE3 will be there13:24
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thiago_homewe are making a product for which we are not the target audience13:25
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lbtthiago_home: again, AFAIK, the SDK won't run on the desktop...13:25
thiago_homeyes, I should be able to run MeeGo on my netbook13:25
lbtsome will but the imager fails13:25
thiago_homebut I don't want to run it on my workstation13:25
RST38hthiago: As long as THERE IS a target audience for it, and you are being paid, I see no problem13:25
lbtthiago_home: want != should be able to13:25
thiago_homelbt: it should. The SDK should run everywhere.13:25
odin_RST38h, yes, sure no one is claiming performance of "certain tasks" is not boosted by it, but I don't think those tasks include "general purpose compiler code generation" I think they only cover domain specific uses, OpenGL, encryption, codecs, etc...13:25
lbtthiago_home: I know it should13:25
RST38hthiago: Actually, even #1 is optional :)13:25
lbtI ran workshops in Nokia and devs with old laptops couldn't make images for netbooks13:25
thiago_homelbt: you should be able to run the image on a netbook.13:26
RST38hodin: Sorry, but what do you want to use Meego for, anyway?13:26
lbtso our build/image/test cycle failed13:26
lbtthiago_home: couldn't *make* image ... SDK failed13:26
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thiago_homehow about convincing Nokia to use that existing OBS infrastructure then?13:27
lbtmmm ?13:27
lbtthey do13:27
odin_RST38h, I want to use MeeGo on my portable and embeded devices in the future, I am looking for a platform that is similar to desktop/server linux but which allows me to roll forward any "capital" I create/invest forward into the next device, since the portable device is a somewhat disposable market with new devices every few years13:27
thiago_homefor building generic i58613:27
lbtah...13:27
thiago_homeanyway, I'm not seeing anyone block a generic build13:27
thiago_homebut I'm not seeing anyone step up to do it either13:27
lbtI guess the point is that MeeGo should be doing it13:28
RST38hodin: Ok. Get an Ubuntu desktop. Get Qt. Develop apps with it.13:28
lbtnot Intel13:28
lbtMeeGo13:28
thiago_homeI agree13:28
lbt:)13:28
thiago_homeso let's talk to LF13:28
RST38hodin: Absolutely no reason to do it on Meego directly, at least not right now.13:28
lbtthiago_home: I'm putting an email together13:29
RST38hodin: And yes, I also believe that the Meego Developer Edition images should run on any x86, not just on SSSE3-equipped ones.13:29
RST38hBut the key is, you do not need Meego to do development.13:29
odin_RST38h, but its not an "app" I am developing, its non-braindead operating system components, i.e. stuff my vendor did badly13:30
RST38hodin: Ok. So, let me clarify: you are developing drivers for your vendor who wants you to develop them in Meego but has not supplied you with a proper hardware?13:31
odin_RST38h, so Ubuntu support for N900 is good and its usable as a phone still ?13:31
RST38hodin: No. But you are not talking about the N900, right? You are talking about your x86 laptop?13:31
RST38hOtherwise, the SSSE3 issue would not come up at all, no?13:32
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odin_RST38h, nope I am not working for any other vested interest but myself, I am not a subcontractor, just a user tied of previous mobile device eco-systems and have been waiting for Linux on mobile to arrive since my original Nokia communicator in 199913:32
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odin_RST38h, no I have no current use for MeeGo on Intel platform13:33
RST38hodin: Then why are you complaining about the SSSE3 reliance?13:33
odin_because in future I know I will have a device when the chip/device arrives, because providing free support in this IRC channel over the same issue is not good for MeeGo, because the method by which SSSE3 is being supported will definitely affect me in the future, because there are better ways to support SSSE313:35
odin_any other questions you seem to have a lot about my personal view (rather than about the topic)13:35
thiago_homethe best way to use SSSE3 is to have a build dedicated for it13:36
RST38hMmmm13:36
RST38hodin: Are you sure you are going to get a device without SSSE3 on which you would like to run Meego?13:36
thiago_homeruntime dispatch is a performance overhead13:36
RST38hthiago; I think the point is that every upcoming device supposed to run Meego will have SSSE3 anyway13:36
RST38hthiago: And the backlash we see is from a bunch of people who would like to run Meego on their current, previous generation devices13:37
odin_RST38h, I don't view you question a relevant to the topic, on the basis that if the matter was tackled better there would be no issue either way13:37
thiago_homeI don't see the distinction13:37
thiago_homeyes, all new devices are newer than old devices13:37
thiago_home:-)13:37
RST38hthiago: Distinction is that the older devices are not the target platforms for running Meego13:37
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RST38hOk, DCC file selection works, at least13:38
odin_RST38h, ahem, " the older devices are not _INTEL's_ target platforms for running Meego" - there fixed for you13:38
RST38hodin: Agreed13:38
RST38hodin: But given that Meego is a rebranded Moblin, I do not see a problem there13:38
odin_no Meego is rebranded Maemo !!!13:39
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RST38hodin: Yes, as a Linux distributive, it has a target audience13:39
RST38hodin: Not really, sorry.13:39
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odin_I'd be happy if MeeGo 1.1 was just Maemo5 packaged and rebuilt, new SDK, new packaging, a straight conversion, maybe one of the matters Nokia overlooks as to why their community is their tear up and change direction approach to the OS part13:42
thiago_homeand replacing some parts too with new technology13:42
odin_since there is no invested capital to rollover into the next product since based on part performance that capital will not be relevant13:42
thiago_homeisn't this a matter of point of view?13:43
thiago_homewhat does it matter if you start with A or B if the result is the same?13:43
odin_well aren't there exactly 2 Symbian platforms to develop for ?13:43
odin_within each of these there are "feature sets" and backwardly compatible and additive stuff13:44
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thiago_homeexactly 2?13:44
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thiago_hometry 2013:45
thiago_homeor 6013:45
odin_the Linux offering has not been additive so far, so developers don't accumulate capital they accumulate headaches13:45
RST38hthiago: Well, to be exact, the result will not be the same13:45
odin_S60 and S^313:45
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RST38hthiago: But I do not see how starting with Moblin is worse than starting with Maemo, frankly13:46
thiago_homeS60 subdivides into a hundred different and incompatible versions13:46
RST38hBoth have enough wrinkles13:46
RST38hMmm...no (on S60)13:46
RST38hThere is Symbian. Then, there are UI frameworks on top of Symbian.13:46
RST38hOne of them is Avkon, also known as S60 to the customers.13:47
RST38hAnother was Uikon, known to you as UIQ13:47
thiago_homebut there are still enough differences in the platform, like operator-specific API13:47
RST38hThe "bare" Symbian also comes with its own UI framework, called Eikon and used to patch all the unimplemented holes in S60/UIQ13:47
RST38hthiago: yes, that too, but few people use operator specific crap13:48
RST38hNow, though, Symbian itself (not the UI) went through a few drastic changes13:48
RST38hFor example, before Symbian9 (aka S60e3 in Nokia terms), you could not have executables, only DLLs that the OS ran in a specific manner13:48
RST38hSo, no static data, and other "niceties"13:49
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RST38hAnd Nokia also had two other UI frameworks (S80 and S90) running on top of Symbian13:49
odin_are those S^1 and ^2 and ^3 ?13:50
RST38hAnd S60 itself gets constantly extended, hence S60e1 (Nokia 7650/3650), S60e2, S60e3 (E50/E70/E61), S60e5 (touch version)13:50
RST38hThe powered version is a rebrand they have done after spinning Symbian into a separate non-profit entity and open sourcing it13:50
RST38hYou can consider them a continuation of the S60eX labeling13:51
thiago_homeodin_: S^1 = S60 5.013:51
thiago_homeS^2 = 5.1, rebranded13:51
odin_I have written for Symbian before (over 4 years ago now, something I would never go and do again), been waiting for a viable Linux based phone for 10 years now and the N900 was finally a product that ticked all the boxes, ah, Nokia finally gets it!13:51
RST38hNotice that UIQ (Uikon) has not survived the reorganization and died a quiet, unmourned death13:51
RST38hWhich is kinda sad, given that Uikon is way better structured than Avkon13:52
thiago_homeS^3 is also the last edition with Avkon13:52
RST38hJust never debugged to a fully usable state13:52
RST38hthiago: So, they just implemnented Avkon in Qt :)13:53
RST38hthiago: ith the dreaded MVC model and all13:53
RST38hs/ith/with13:53
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thiago_homethe new lib is nowhere that bad13:53
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RST38hthiago: But do you still need to write 5 classes just to show Hello World?13:54
RST38hthiago: or can you just start with main() nowadays, like in all normal OSes?13:54
thiago_homelike normal a OS13:55
thiago_homego take a look at the examples, you'll find out more13:55
RST38hthiago: sounds refershing13:57
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meegodotbyMeego should die quickly as well as predecessors?13:59
RST38hwhat predecessors?13:59
meegodotbymmm13:59
RST38hok, looks like you will have to work on your opening lines a bit more :)14:00
meegodotbySymbian will leave in the past, probably14:02
thiago_homewill leave what?14:02
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_wolf_I think he means live. But I smell troll :P14:03
lbtI quite like the idea of "will leave" "in the past"14:04
* lbt tries it for size : "meegodotby will leave in the past"14:04
RST38hHe probably means "live"14:05
_wolf_I14:06
_wolf_I'd say everything leaves the past (behind)14:06
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RST38hBut yes, learning the language helps one's trolling skills tremendously14:06
meegodotbyyes, i badly know language, i study English, but i understand you, sorry14:13
lbtmeegodotby: :)   OK .... we thought you meant something else.14:14
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RST38hBTW, has anyone already complained about N900 causing capral tunnel syndrome on tmo? :)14:18
odin_don't you have a blue tooth keyboard neural implant ?14:22
RST38halas they are not supported in Maemo5, bug filed =)14:23
odin_maybe lbt can help in #opensuse-buildservice :)14:24
odin_I do have one of these bluetooth laser keyboard, nice and gimmicky14:25
lbtodin_: ?14:26
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lbtmmmm  http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1721739/meego-flies-benchmark-test15:41
StskeepsARM vs atom..?15:41
Stskeepswhen i read the comparatives, i stopped reading :P15:42
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RST38hA moment, I think I have seen a clean test15:47
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thiago_homelet's see...15:47
thiago_homeone benchmark run on an A4, one benchmark run on an OMAP3 or Snapdragon15:48
thiago_homeand one benchmark run on a dual-core Atom 1.5 GHz15:48
thiago_homeguess which one ran faster15:48
RST38hWhiever has got faster memory bus15:48
RST38hCPU does not even figure in the results ;)15:48
RST38hhttp://www.techradar.com/news/internet/tested-chrome-vs-ie8-vs-firefox-3-1-vs-safari-4-58215915:49
simulacrumNo mirrors available for Meego? the download is REALLY SLOW!15:49
RST38hThat was in March 2009 though15:49
simulacrumChrome is faster, different, and better Javascript engines15:50
RST38hhttp://www.xg-group.com/index.php/2010/06/23/firefox-counters-googles-browser-speed-test/15:51
RST38hthis is the latest15:51
RST38hAlthough I fail to understand people's obsession with interpreted (or JITted) languages15:52
RST38hThey heroically go against the computational complexity laws and...well...fail every time :)15:53
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simulacrumWell, it seems like for some people *performance* is not the most important factor15:57
RST38hThen why have benchmarks? :)16:00
RST38hAnd why do people always complain about slow, unresponsive JavaScript or Java apps? :)16:00
simulacrumBecause they are *fed up* with them!16:01
simulacrumIn general users do that16:01
RST38hNobody explained to them that performance has not been the most important factor? =)16:01
simulacrumProgrammers control users.16:01
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dl9pflbt: you need testers ?16:04
simulacrumFor 3 days I'm trying to download the Meego Netbook 1.0 without success, everytime I get bad checksum or I just cancel the download being so *SLOW*, Meego SDK on the other hand works fine, grr16:06
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simulacrumdamn it 1 hr and 30 minutes to download, this is insane16:09
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lbtdl9pf: yep :)16:14
dl9pfi can give it a whirl16:15
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lbtdl9pf: on the community OBS I was thinking to have :current16:29
lbtthis would be replaced each week16:29
dl9pfyes, from the snapshot - right16:29
lbtwe'd keep 2 or 3 dated versions for regression tests16:30
lbtX-Fade: ping... if you're about16:30
dl9pffor cross@armv7, we need the -accel packages  there and the -x86-arm packages  all in the armv7/:full16:31
lbtI'm not sure what X-Fade's setup in terms of syncing in16:31
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lbtright... looks wrongly setup...  :full -> /backend_storage/obs/meego1.0/i586_full/armel_full16:34
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dl9pfyes, all of these - looks complete16:44
dl9pfincluding cross-*-accel*armv7l and *-x86*.armv7l16:44
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dl9pfdo you want to sync now ?16:48
lbtyep... looking for the rpms16:48
lbthttp://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.0.80/16:48
dl9pfhttp://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.0.80/1.0.80.9.20100706.1/ thats gcc4.4.216:49
lbtyes16:49
dl9pfok - lets continue when synced.16:51
lbtyep.... http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service/MeeGo_Setup16:51
lbtworking on that16:51
ScottishDuckwhat size is a full meego system now16:52
dl9pfdefine full16:54
dl9pfmeego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img      25-May-2010 13:46  776M16:55
dl9pfmeego-n900-open-armv7l-1.0.0.20100525.1-sda.raw.bz2                26-May-2010 02:15  137M16:56
brumla1ScottishDuck: default netbook installation takes ~1,9 GB16:57
dl9pfso that really depends on what "full" is  - ok, comparing core with a full-blown netbook image is unfair.16:57
ScottishDuckdl9pf: I don't see that n900 image as accurate16:58
ScottishDuckoh, it's 1.016:58
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kenya888Hi, is lbt or X-Fade online?17:27
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lbtyes17:34
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lbtahma:  ping18:02
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rjbhi where can i download meego 1.0.1 iso?18:41
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rjbi tried http://meego.com/downloads/releases/updates/meego-v1.0.1-netbook-update there is no download link18:44
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rjbanybody knows18:47
kimitake_rjb: click MeeGo v1.0 for Netbooks at the page18:47
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rjbkimitake_ that link is for Meego v1.0 i want Meego v1.0.1 update18:50
kimitake_rjb: oh, but you can update on the system, actually I have updated my system18:51
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rjbi wanted to try it live first18:52
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rjbplease can you update http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/netbook/images/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32/18:55
rjbplease add Meego v1.0.118:55
kimitake_rjb, you can create a liveUSB using Fedora tool, it can be updated so then you can upgrade to v1.0.1..18:58
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rjbkimitake_ thank you19:03
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_wolf_oXwro77!21:39
_wolf_fsck!21:39
dm8tbrtime for a new password :)21:43
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* thiago_home discovers LinuxCon Brazil23:01
CosmoHill:o23:03
thiago_homeless than two months away from it23:04
CosmoHilland how many thousands of miles?23:05
thiago_homenothing23:05
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thiago_homeI'll be very close to it23:05
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thiago_homebut will miss it by a few days23:05
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thiago_homeI'm going to Brazil this Friday now23:07
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lbtis meego.com downloads slow? ~50Kb23:24
thiago_homeI heard it was slow, yeah23:25
lbtI started trying to download the repo this afternoon from an ISP connected server...23:25
lbtfor the community OBS...23:25
lbtits up to "evolution"23:26
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* lbt wonders if he'll be able to keep up with the weekly builds at this rate ;)23:26
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