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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: (placebos) you see this all over the place, no matter if tmo, IT, or audiophile maniacs or car tuners | 00:02 |
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| luist | hello.. im using package kit here and i have a problem... it cant see packages that are already installed so it thinks it has to download packages that are already installed... its something about the @system repository which is the installed packages, right? how to fix this? | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: (ready in RAM) only if you can afford the plenty useless reads, which usually you don't want to on a weakly battery powered device | 00:04 |
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| ShadowJK | Well make it a threshold of 40M free, try to fill it to 8M free, oneshot | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | the whole game is always a tradeoff between speed and power consumption, with a sweetspot ideally, and for sure with extremes where trowing in 5 times the power only gives you 2% of performance increase | 00:06 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:31 |
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| josemoreira | moblin-panel-web keeps crashing :/ | 02:11 |
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| josemoreira | moblin-panel-we[3116]: segfault at 0 ip b713184b sp bf88bd90 error 4 in libapp_base.so[b70b4000+9a000] | 02:14 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:16 |
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| eichi | qemu-kvm -m 512 -vga std -hda meego-n900-open-armv7l-1.0.0.20100525.1-sda.raw | 02:33 |
| eichi | soneone knows, why this doenst work? | 02:33 |
| eichi | and what to do, to get it workig | 02:34 |
| Stskeeps | one reason is that you're trying to run a ARM image using a x86 virtual machine.. | 02:37 |
| eichi | doenst qemu has an option to emulate arm | 02:38 |
| Stskeeps | sure, but that's qemu-system-arm | 02:39 |
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| eichi | qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb -kernel meego-n900-open-armv7l-1.0.0.20100525.1-vmlinuz-2.6.33.3-11.2-n900 -hda meego-n900-open-armv7l-1.0.0.20100525.1-sda.raw | 02:45 |
| eichi | this one better? | 02:45 |
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| eichi | but just get a black screen | 02:46 |
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| Stskeeps | closer, now you're trying to boot a n900 kernel on a versatile PB board, emulated | 02:48 |
| Stskeeps | you'll want -M n900 | 02:48 |
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| th0br0 | hello everyone. it's been a while i'd guess. | 03:05 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo, how goes? | 03:05 |
| th0br0 | pretty nice thisplace. | 03:07 |
| th0br0 | the evening's young... | 03:07 |
| th0br0 | just 8:07 :) | 03:07 |
| th0br0 | so how're you, Stskeeps? | 03:08 |
| Stskeeps | i'm good, returning to my home in poland in 19 hours :P | 03:09 |
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| th0br0 | where aer you right nowß | 03:09 |
| Stskeeps | at a hotel in my former university town, denmark | 03:10 |
| th0br0 | ah, cool :) | 03:10 |
| th0br0 | what led you there? nokia? | 03:10 |
| Stskeeps | nah, family | 03:10 |
| th0br0 | ah ok . | 03:12 |
| th0br0 | didn't know you had family there. | 03:12 |
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| Stskeeps | originally from denmark, so | 03:14 |
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| odin_ | TSCHAK, what thread is that? in forum or mailing-list ? | 03:33 |
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| TSCHAKeee | odin_: ML | 03:44 |
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| GAN900 | "Discussed internally" | 04:34 |
| GAN900 | Different face on the same game, we see. | 04:35 |
| Guest83309 | no | 04:35 |
| Guest83309 | read arjan's reply further on | 04:35 |
| Guest83309 | the discussion referred to was on meego-packaging | 04:35 |
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| w00t_ | (evening, and why am I still awake?) | 04:36 |
| GAN900 | 3442 unread in -dev | 04:36 |
| GAN900 | I wish so many community-relevant discussions didnmt happen there. | 04:36 |
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| Octar | --he | 05:52 |
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| jimmy_ | hoi | 09:18 |
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| AstralStorm | hello | 11:35 |
| AstralStorm | what does meego use for its windows management? | 11:35 |
| AstralStorm | hacked matchbox? something custom? | 11:35 |
| AstralStorm | sugar? :) | 11:35 |
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| RST38h | Hamsters! | 11:36 |
| AstralStorm | no no, sugar the WM of OLPC | 11:36 |
| RST38h | I know :) | 11:36 |
| AstralStorm | heh | 11:36 |
| AstralStorm | so, what is it | 11:36 |
| AstralStorm | RPM I see :-( | 11:37 |
| dm8tbr | yess it's all redhat based! - SCNR | 11:37 |
| thiago_home | no | 11:38 |
| thiago_home | half of it is openSUSE-based | 11:38 |
| RST38h | Astral: Looks like the have got their own | 11:38 |
| AstralStorm | hm, at least that's an improvement | 11:38 |
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| niadh | MeeGo wont see my wifi point i know its available and running cos other wireless machines on my network are online and running, how can i try to make it work? | 13:13 |
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| brumla | niadh: i have similiar problem, but the difference is, that the problem appears only when i have low signal | 13:18 |
| niadh | Well i dont really how about signal strength since it sees no networks which is odd | 13:19 |
| niadh | There should be neighbours wifi boxes etc | 13:19 |
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| niadh | I am new to meego so i dunno what tools i have available to me to do things | 13:20 |
| brumla | i have no wifi neighbours, i measured the signal using phone, so i know, that i some rooms in house the signal is low - then system says, that there is no signal | 13:21 |
| brumla | i am also new - i have installed meego to netbook day before yesterday :) | 13:21 |
| niadh | I just did iwconfig and my network adaptor isnt even listed | 13:21 |
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| niadh | Now its back after rebooting 3 times | 13:25 |
| brumla | niadh: try to check system log | 13:25 |
| brumla | maybe, there is some error messages | 13:26 |
| niadh | Will do, I know the connection manager claimed to not be running | 13:26 |
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| meegodotby | hi all | 15:24 |
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| brumla | meegodotby: hi | 15:26 |
| meegodotby | where repo for yum with last version fastinit (contain meego-dm instead moblin-dm)? | 15:28 |
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| AstralStorm | does current meego work fine at n810 already? | 15:34 |
| AstralStorm | most important parts being: most of power saving, wifi, bluetooth, hspa modems via bluetooth | 15:35 |
| AstralStorm | then nice to have list: audio and gps | 15:35 |
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| RST38h | Astral: No | 15:42 |
| RST38h | Astral: The last release runs on N900, includes a few apps (web browser included) but lacks connectivity, power management, or gps | 15:43 |
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| LinuxCode | RST38h, gsm wont work ? | 15:51 |
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| LinuxCode | /hsdpa ? | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | modem drivers are being opened and integrated | 15:52 |
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| Stskeeps | would be silly to integrate a large closed stack | 15:53 |
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| LinuxCode | cool | 15:55 |
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| AstralStorm | oh dammit | 16:33 |
| AstralStorm | I suspect it'll take quite a long time before even n900 is supported | 16:34 |
| AstralStorm | much less n810 | 16:34 |
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| Stskeeps | we have it on 2.6.35 so wouldnt say so | 16:35 |
| AstralStorm | yeah, and all the drivers working? :> | 16:35 |
| AstralStorm | esp. power saving not sucking | 16:37 |
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| AstralStorm | because I have to make my n810 more... usable | 16:37 |
| AstralStorm | it's fairly nasty right now | 16:37 |
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| Stskeeps | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=4382&postcount=27 | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | i plan to spend some time over the summer on the n810 so | 16:39 |
| AstralStorm | no bluetooth? why? | 16:39 |
| AstralStorm | I thought mainline gets linux-omap patches integrated | 16:39 |
| AstralStorm | all this should work already | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | probably needing a patch for n8x0 hw interface, hci4hcp broke on bootup | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | didnt have time before i left to investigate | 16:40 |
| AstralStorm | bluetooth is a regression since 2.6.32-omap at least | 16:40 |
| AstralStorm | it worked before | 16:40 |
| AstralStorm | can't they at least try not to break stuff? :> | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 16:40 |
| AstralStorm | same with TSC | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | we got the 3d drivers working but there is a lot of hardware recovery being done | 16:41 |
| AstralStorm | hm | 16:42 |
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| AstralStorm | you mean software fallbacks? | 16:42 |
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| Stskeeps | more like some state mbx needs to get out of, be reset | 16:42 |
| AstralStorm | hm | 16:43 |
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| AstralStorm | actual hardware issues | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=722369&postcount=30 if you want to play | 16:46 |
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| AstralStorm | Stskeeps, sounds good | 17:21 |
| AstralStorm | but can't I have a fast 2D interface instead? :> | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | xfce4, but i was hoping to have openvg too | 17:22 |
| AstralStorm | the most unusable part is missing bluetooth | 17:23 |
| AstralStorm | can't live w/o my cellphone tether | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | ye | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | i will look into it | 17:24 |
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| AstralStorm | tried clean linux-omap tree yet? | 17:25 |
| AstralStorm | I suspect it might work | 17:25 |
| AstralStorm | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/tmlind/linux-omap-2.6.git;a=summary - which you already know | 17:26 |
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| AstralStorm | esp. omap-testing branch | 17:27 |
| AstralStorm | I should try it myself, even | 17:27 |
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| tripzero | DawnFoster, ping | 19:53 |
| DawnFoster | tripzero, pingback | 19:54 |
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| tripzero | DawnFoster, do you think it would be worth creating a #meego-ivi channel here on freenode for the community to gather for ivi specific discussion? I know myself and many others would like to build more community around ivi and meego | 19:56 |
| Cosmo[PB] | DawnFoster: you're meant to say "pong" :p | 19:57 |
| LinuxCode | what is ivi ? | 19:57 |
| tripzero | ivi == in vehicle infotainment | 19:58 |
| LinuxCode | ahh ok | 19:59 |
| AstralStorm | more channels? what for? | 19:59 |
| LinuxCode | that sounds interesting | 19:59 |
| DawnFoster | tripzero: not sure if we really need yet another irc channel | 19:59 |
| AstralStorm | this one is empty enough as it is | 19:59 |
| LinuxCode | empty lol | 19:59 |
| DawnFoster | we already have a bunch that people aren't using | 19:59 |
| AstralStorm | or rather, silent | 19:59 |
| DawnFoster | I'm trying to consolidate them | 19:59 |
| DawnFoster | cosmo[PB]: I think to be less predictable :) | 20:00 |
| DawnFoster | ugh, meant like to be less predictable | 20:00 |
| tripzero | I idle in #linuxice which is almost as active as this channel with only 20 or so people in it | 20:00 |
| tripzero | if all of the active ones came here , this channel could be noisy very quickly | 20:01 |
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| lbt | tripzero: if you're "working" then join us in | 20:01 |
| tripzero | but... i suppose that's okay for \now | 20:02 |
| lbt | oops... | 20:02 |
| lbt | #meego-dev until it's renamed | 20:02 |
| tripzero | what's it going to be renamed too? | 20:02 |
| lbt | it's not too noisy and I'm happy to ask 'social' chat to leave it | 20:02 |
| lbt | see DawnFoster :) | 20:02 |
| DawnFoster | :) | 20:02 |
| lbt | otherwise just talk about ivi in here | 20:02 |
| lbt | if we get annoyed with you (or vice-versa) then we can review | 20:03 |
| lbt | nb... logged in yet? | 20:03 |
| tripzero | also, it'd be nice to know those in the community (here or elsewhere) also interested with IVI | 20:05 |
| tripzero | a sub-channel would also help with that :P | 20:05 |
| lbt | otoh if you talk here you'll encourage interest.... | 20:05 |
| lbt | and synchronisity with other projects | 20:06 |
| tripzero | ok | 20:06 |
| lbt | nb... maybe put something up on the wiki | 20:06 |
| tripzero | oo, good idea | 20:07 |
| lbt | describe what the IVI architecture is... what parts are open/closed | 20:07 |
| lbt | may provide some mobile/ivi interaction too | 20:07 |
| lbt | see if we can get some innovative interaction based on shared standards.... that kind of thing | 20:08 |
| lbt | I'd love to pick my trip destination on my desktop, transfer it to my mobile, then the car, then the mobile for the last walk/tube trip... | 20:09 |
| tripzero | http://wiki.meego.com/IVI | 20:09 |
| tripzero | heh, looks like somebody already created a stub | 20:09 |
| tripzero | lbt, yep, that's the idea :) | 20:10 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: maybe a experiment is warranted, one team which consolidates into #meego or whereever, one team that sets up own channel on area of work, and then drawing conclusions on how they develop / are able to work / community growth | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | should be enough teams coming out of the woodwork to try | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | could be an interesting result to have | 20:24 |
| GAN900 | Nicer to have collaboration in fewer places | 20:24 |
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| GAN900 | as you get more eyes, more input, more exposure. | 20:24 |
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| * Stskeeps disagrees, but that is cos i see the need to grow subcommunities with teams and watchers/contributors as social things and 'feeling like belonging' is very important for work to be done | 20:26 | |
| Stskeeps | especially when wanting more contributors, the mood has to be good. big channels tend towards a cold mood | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:26 |
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| tripzero | Stskeeps, +1 ;) | 20:30 |
| * tripzero tries to imagine what would go in the IVI wiki | 20:30 | |
| tripzero | i'm not sure the direction that the "Steering group" would like to take IVI | 20:30 |
| tripzero | but i have my own ideas :P | 20:30 |
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| CosmoHill | if someone feels like they belong they are motivated and care about what they are doing | 20:32 |
| tripzero | indeed | 20:32 |
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| DawnFoster | the issue is that you have to be careful in a new community not to get things spread out too quickly | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | the important thing is that we know what channel people sit in and who they are and what nicknames they have | 20:34 |
| DawnFoster | if you fragment things too early, the community as a whole never really gels | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | no matter if its a big or small.. i think those pages would make consolidation easier | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | cos you can target people who you need to talk to :) | 20:34 |
| DawnFoster | as the community matures, you start to break things out into more discrete teams and projects after people really have a sense for the whole | 20:35 |
| AstralStorm | Stskeeps, here it is not a big channel... not yet | 20:36 |
| tripzero | 409 is big to me | 20:36 |
| tripzero | :P | 20:36 |
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| Stskeeps | \names | 20:37 |
| DawnFoster | but realistically only a few of them are active | 20:37 |
| DawnFoster | and this channel doesn't really have that many conversations yet | 20:37 |
| tripzero | i'm okay with chilling here and in *-dev fo the time being | 20:38 |
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| Stskeeps | there was a lot initially and then it became appearant there were too many closed things and doubts who was doing what.. so people had nothing to discuss about than this problem | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | but we're all better now ;) | 20:40 |
| AstralStorm | Stskeeps, so, you're saying that xfce4 mostly works in meego on n810? | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 20:41 |
| AstralStorm | is alsa driver done yet btw? | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | i am flying to poland in 5 mins though so i cannot discuss too much | 20:41 |
| AstralStorm | or is it still nasty DSP hacks? | 20:41 |
| AstralStorm | heh | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | i believe people had alsa working on n810 | 20:41 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: you get back just in time for me to have my email almost in a usable state | 20:42 |
| AstralStorm | well, I did, but it's been a long time | 20:42 |
| w00t_ | :P | 20:42 |
| AstralStorm | and it was... buggy and unfinished a bit | 20:42 |
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| Stskeeps | no horrible death in a plane crash for me today, woo \o/ | 22:55 |
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| CosmoHill | yay | 22:57 |
| CosmoHill | wait | 22:57 |
| CosmoHill | what? | 22:57 |
| dm8tbr | inside joke | 22:57 |
| dm8tbr | I'd guess based on country of arrival | 22:58 |
| * dm8tbr continues battling the PVR driver source. | 22:58 | |
| CosmoHill | Personal Video Recorder? | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: just landed back in poland | 22:59 |
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| CosmoHill | ah I see | 22:59 |
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| dm8tbr | CosmoHill: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR | 23:01 |
| CosmoHill | oh that one | 23:01 |
| dm8tbr | the TI OMAP variety | 23:01 |
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| dm8tbr | ah, nice looks like I might get some device specific PVR sources too | 23:04 |
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