| TSCHAKeee | uh what? | 00:00 |
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| TSCHAKeee | i used video chat under linux for at least the last two years. | 00:00 |
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| lbt | messerting: and Maemo | 00:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | under skype | 00:00 |
| lbt | although I have to shower after I use skype | 00:01 |
| messerting | lbt: yep, I actually meant meego (which I'm running on my N900) | 00:01 |
| w00t_ | messerting: you mean you mean you meant maemo? | 00:01 |
| w00t_ | :-) | 00:01 |
| messerting | w00t_: err, yep... wow, I'm tired :) | 00:01 |
| lbt | you meant "I'm awake"? | 00:02 |
| messerting | TSCHAKeee: You can video call with skype on linux? | 00:02 |
| Myrtti | messerting: yes, for about two or three years now | 00:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | i had it on my eeePC 701 under the eee Linux, and on my ubuntu desktop yeah | 00:02 |
| messerting | Hm, maybe I'm thinking of x86_64 | 00:02 |
| trip0 | you can't video call from maemo skyp to linux skype | 00:03 |
| trip0 | that's the current issue | 00:03 |
| * Myrtti just started Skype on her x86_64 | 00:03 | |
| lbt | anaZ (or anyone) how is meego packaging tools for use by other distros? (If at all?) | 00:03 |
| Myrtti | works | 00:03 |
| trip0 | linux -> linux works | 00:03 |
| CosmoHill | you can download skype on linux | 00:03 |
| trip0 | and linux -> windows works | 00:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | that oddly sounds like retarded serialization problem | 00:03 |
| trip0 | but maemo -> linux doesn't | 00:03 |
| CosmoHill | lol | 00:03 |
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| messerting | I also run skype on my x86_64, but I cannot video call with it | 00:04 |
| lcuk | not enough first born sacrifices going on! | 00:04 |
| Myrtti | LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib32/libv4l/v4l1compat.so skype | 00:04 |
| lcuk | lbt, wasnt there a long thread last 48h about packaging and use of spectacle and the deviations from rpm spec? | 00:05 |
| lcuk | (specifically mentioning using rpms on other distros) | 00:06 |
| lbt | lcuk: yes... but I was more thinking about how we publish mic2 etc for users of fedora/ubuntu | 00:07 |
| lcuk | mic2 being the image builder tool which coalesces binary rpms into an image, rather than the actual rpm spec->binary part of packaging? | 00:09 |
| lbt | yes | 00:09 |
| lbt | BTW... I keep meaning to find out... can I run MeeGo on an old laptop? | 00:10 |
| lbt | even if it doesn't have intel graphics? | 00:10 |
| trip0 | what graphics does it have? | 00:10 |
| lbt | dunno... I'd have to find the PSU ;) | 00:11 |
| lcuk | well since we should have meego on a 00mhz arm ;) if it DOESNT want to run on these swanky pentium m >1ghz machines theres something funky :P | 00:11 |
| lbt | sony vaio | 00:11 |
| lbt | and a dell latitude | 00:11 |
| lcuk | 600mhz arm ^ | 00:11 |
| trip0 | depends on the kernel | 00:11 |
| trip0 | if the kernel was built requires ssse3, than p1 cpu's are out of the question | 00:11 |
| trip0 | the arm kernel obviously doesn't have the same config | 00:12 |
| lbt | is the kernel the main issue? | 00:12 |
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| trip0 | lbt, graphics drivers are another | 00:12 |
| lcuk | well lbt, in the past moblin UX/libs sat happily ontop of ubuntu | 00:12 |
| trip0 | not all graphics kernel or userspace drivers are built in | 00:12 |
| lbt | is anyone interested in making a community kernel - non ssse3 | 00:12 |
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| lcuk | i think jebba offered sometime ago :P | 00:13 |
| lbt | the community OBS is open for beta testing for devs who can help identify (and fix) issues | 00:13 |
| trip0 | also, iirc, all the x86 packages are built with atom optimizations | 00:13 |
| lbt | yeah... I'm *so* tempted to do a community rebuild... but I don't think we have the grunt | 00:14 |
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| lcuk | lbt - you have the grunt | 00:14 |
| lcuk | and the knowledge | 00:14 |
| lcuk | remember, individuals build entire distros from scratch | 00:14 |
| trip0 | if obs is open enough, you should be able to do just that | 00:15 |
| lcuk | isnt that what gentoo ricing is all about | 00:15 |
| lbt | trip0: we have the community OBS | 00:15 |
| trip0 | even x86)64 | 00:15 |
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| trip0 | lbt: link? | 00:15 |
| lbt | it's about getting a few people who have the commitment | 00:15 |
| lbt | trip0: my ssh key ;) | 00:15 |
| trip0 | there should be a web interface no? | 00:15 |
| lcuk | what prevents this from being built at home | 00:16 |
| lcuk | ps - i did hear right that the meego on n900 still lacks wifi? | 00:17 |
| lcuk | as in, to test it it needs to be via usb net | 00:17 |
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| messerting | Ah, here's the link - I'm not the only one struggling with video calls from maemo to linux: http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=53579&page=10 | 00:21 |
| messerting | calling to windows clients works fine though | 00:21 |
| lcuk | lbt, so for the community obs | 00:21 |
| lcuk | i remember how you described it in the past | 00:22 |
| lcuk | of giving .tar.gz and .dsc and getting out working packages for multiple arches | 00:22 |
| lcuk | you mentioned x86 arm at the time | 00:22 |
| lcuk | i gather it is just as simple to direct it to give atom_meego/arm_meego/arm_fremantle/x86_fremantle | 00:23 |
| lcuk | and does not require extra "effort", merely build time increases because the OBS farm is already capable and configured | 00:24 |
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| lbt | lcuk: correct | 00:27 |
| lcuk | lbt, so since an OBS instance is what builds meego itself (I believe), then we could just put an end to bashing old machine problem if we had a meego for normal x86 principle build? | 00:29 |
| lbt | yes | 00:29 |
| lbt | simple as that really | 00:29 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: that's what I was trying to say elsewhere :) | 00:29 |
| lcuk | and so, people with purebred intel chipset laptops of reasonable age can install/test/improve meego without much further effort | 00:29 |
| lcuk | w00t_, its what ive been saying since day1 of meego | 00:30 |
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| lbt | lcuk: see my email to -dev today... | 00:30 |
| lcuk | lbt, it would mean one major problem though | 00:30 |
| lcuk | the page listing meego compatible devices will be slow to load! :p | 00:31 |
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| lbt | so... if people know what osc is and can prove to me they're trustworthy then we can see about getting them beta test accounts if they want to help fix issues | 00:31 |
| lcuk | sure, but obs does have its downsides at the moment | 00:31 |
| lcuk | because of the restrictions on *which* source you can build using the principle opensuse infrastructure | 00:32 |
| lcuk | it would have to be primary meego servers | 00:32 |
| lcuk | or we host the alternative community ones at a nice open source haven :) maemo | 00:33 |
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| vgrade | OBS Beta devs, register here :- http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder | 00:33 |
| lbt | :D | 00:35 |
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| lcuk | vgrade, thats quite an opportune time :P | 00:35 |
| vgrade | http://gitorious.org/mer/osc? | 00:36 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building | 00:37 |
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| lbt | but for spec | 00:37 |
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| niadh | Hey am trying to set up a non-standard partition layout for MeeGo on a eeepc 901. I have an 8GB sd card which i want to use as the / since its twice the size of the devices internal drive. I want to use its secondary 15gb drive as /home and if possible use the 4gb internal drive for something but dunno what. Does anyone have any suggestions? I have tried this layout but only got it to work once and that was using the 4GB drive as / the 15G | 00:46 |
| niadh | B as /home and I wasnt using the 8GB drive. | 00:46 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:37 |
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| tekoholic | Is there a way to install the IVI packages on the Netbook load? | 03:16 |
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| want2tryL8stMeeG | is there going to be a meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0.1-xxxxxx img released anytime soon, or at all? | 08:00 |
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| TSCHAKeee | uh. | 08:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm running the meego image with chromium on my ia32 based atom netbook | 08:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | ... | 08:01 |
| want2tryL8stMeeG | sorry, let me rephrase that | 08:02 |
| want2tryL8stMeeG | is there going to be a netbook v1.0.1 img released anytime soon, or at all? | 08:02 |
| want2tryL8stMeeG | as opposed to the current v1.0 img available from the netbook download page | 08:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | the next release will be 1.1 | 08:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | in October | 08:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | 6 month release schedule | 08:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | with regular software updates done via the system update tool | 08:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | of which there have already been quite a few if you've set your system to the test repository. | 08:04 |
| want2tryL8stMeeG | thanks | 08:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | you could always build it yourself | 08:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | barring that | 08:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | *shrug* | 08:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 08:04 |
| want2tryL8stMeeG | is there a simple way how to do that? | 08:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | wuss. | 08:05 |
| want2tryL8stMeeG | i know :-) | 08:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 08:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | if you want it yesterday | 08:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | you have to do the leg work | 08:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | how bad do you want it? | 08:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | but seriously, just get the current release, and update | 08:05 |
| want2tryL8stMeeG | with ubuntu you can always download a daily iso, with the latest updates/patches of that day | 08:06 |
| want2tryL8stMeeG | i dont have it installed | 08:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | there are daily repositories | 08:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | if you know where to look | 08:06 |
| want2tryL8stMeeG | i'm running from the live image | 08:06 |
| want2tryL8stMeeG | and in order to complete the updates it needs to reboot | 08:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | yup | 08:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | probably a kernel update | 08:07 |
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| want2tryL8stMeeG | so thats why id like a live img with the updates prebuilt-in | 08:07 |
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| TSCHAKeee | want2tryL8stMeeG: http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation | 08:09 |
| want2tryL8stMeeG | ok, i see this folder http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/netbook/images/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32/ | 08:09 |
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| want2tryL8stMeeG | and this one: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/updates/1.0/netbook/repos/ia32/ | 08:09 |
| want2tryL8stMeeG | TSCHAKeee: thanks for that link | 08:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | and | 08:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | honestly | 08:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | you might as well just install | 08:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | you're making this way too hard on yourself | 08:10 |
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| TSCHAKeee | and this is as far as i'm gonna help you. | 08:10 |
| want2tryL8stMeeG | i dont even have a netbook | 08:10 |
| want2tryL8stMeeG | i am running it on my desktop machine | 08:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | ugh | 08:11 |
| want2tryL8stMeeG | sorry ;-) | 08:11 |
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| want2tryL8stMeeG | when you do a MeeGo installation, does it ask you which, partition you want to install it to? | 08:21 |
| want2tryL8stMeeG | and can you set it up to dual boot? | 08:21 |
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| Macer | i have a question. has mer dev work on the n8x0 been abandoned and if so does that mean that dev for meego on the n8x0 will continue where mer left off? | 09:51 |
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| cartman | hi all | 10:17 |
| cartman | I am running meego_qemu_nand.img under qemu, but there is only a bash shell | 10:18 |
| cartman | how can I start graphical desktop or something similar? | 10:18 |
| dm8tbr | is that an core image? | 10:18 |
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| cartman | dm8tbr: I am not sure | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | it's probably codedrop | 10:19 |
| cartman | I got the instructions from http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu | 10:19 |
| dm8tbr | well you need one with the HX built in :) | 10:19 |
| cartman | dm8tbr: which one is that? :) | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | cartman: i would wait until one is made personally :) | 10:20 |
| cartman | oh | 10:20 |
| cartman | so there is only a console atm? :) | 10:20 |
| copyleft | cartman: xterm actually :p | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | for the qemu target yes, on n900 we have full desktop | 10:20 |
| cartman | copyleft: true | 10:20 |
| cartman | Stskeeps: I see a there is flashable image for N900, ok | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | there's a .ks for you to generate a n900 image with. | 10:21 |
| cartman | Stskeeps: is there a howto on that? | 10:21 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: someone bisected the patch I have for SGX for me and the offending change was 24->32bit something. I'll rebuild that kernel and try again if Xserver starts :) | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | cartman: yes, but it won't run on qemu that easily :) | 10:22 |
| cartman | Stskeeps: I am no stranger to command line, if there is a way somehow :) | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Releases/Daily | 10:22 |
| dm8tbr | why not use an aava image and run it in an virtual foo? | 10:22 |
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| cartman | thanks Stskeeps | 10:23 |
| cartman | dm8tbr: what is aava exactly? | 10:23 |
| _Pete_ | cartman: http://www.aavamobile.com/ | 10:24 |
| dm8tbr | cartman: the prototype noone has officially seen | 10:24 |
| dm8tbr | x86 | 10:24 |
| cartman | looks like a hot device | 10:24 |
| _Pete_ | If I turn my head a bit to left I officially see one :) | 10:24 |
| _Pete_ | oops right | 10:24 |
| cartman | _Pete_: x86 on mobile phone is overkill, no? | 10:25 |
| cartman | battery wise | 10:25 |
| dm8tbr | _Pete_: yeah, but you also signed a heap of nda's to let noone see it who didn't sign them either | 10:25 |
| dm8tbr | cartman: intel is making huge progress in that filed, you'd be surprised | 10:26 |
| cartman | dm8tbr: I like to be surprised | 10:26 |
| cartman | and I like x86 compilers ;) | 10:26 |
| dm8tbr | IMO the ARM world is in for some tough times | 10:27 |
| dm8tbr | cartman: exactly because of people that think like you :) | 10:27 |
| cartman | we are doing tablet based application | 10:27 |
| cartman | +s | 10:27 |
| cartman | our only problem is battery life | 10:27 |
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| copyleft | I installed osc command (0.125.5) on both Debian Sid and MeeGo 1.0 SDK chroot. But when running osc build <some.spec>, MeeGo 1.0 SDK fails to retrieve rpm packages for the base toolchains. But On debian it's ok to build. | 10:35 |
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| copyleft | Looks like the MeeGo SDK fails to get packages from the local OBS API. http://localip:81/build/MeeGo:1.0:Core/standard/i586/_repository/rpm | 10:41 |
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| vlj | hi | 10:45 |
| vlj | there is still no workaround for running meego on nvidia hardware ? | 10:45 |
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| slaine | morning all | 11:18 |
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| Stskeeps | morn slaine | 11:19 |
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| gpethig | _Pete_: are you able to build stuff for the device you offically see? | 11:29 |
| lbt | hi slaine | 11:29 |
| _Pete_ | gpethig: yes | 11:31 |
| gpethig | _Pete_: through an OBS? or other? | 11:34 |
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| meegodotby | hi all | 11:38 |
| _Pete_ | gpethig: meego-sdk & qtcreator that I have tried so far | 11:38 |
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| gpethig | _Pete_: thanks, build in meego-sdk is the direction I am going, at this time, in attempting to build some libs for the device. | 11:44 |
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| meegodotby | meego contains ggc, but does not contain make, why? | 11:46 |
| lbt | who uses make nowadays? | 11:46 |
| Aard | meegodotby: looks pretty similar to make to me: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/core/repos/ia32/packages/i586/make-3.81-21.7.i586.rpm | 11:46 |
| meegodotby | VirtualBox add | 11:47 |
| Creap | is there an easier way to reboot meego than through the terminal? | 11:47 |
| lbt | wall switch? | 11:48 |
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| meegodotby | Creap : cad | 11:50 |
| Creap | ok | 11:52 |
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| meegodotby | Aard : thanks | 11:54 |
| Creap | another problem I have that I can't find anything about in the help is that some applications are too high for my netbook screen, so I don't see for instance action buttons in the bottom | 11:54 |
| Creap | and I can't move windows up | 11:54 |
| Aard | meegodotby: you might consider looking into learning how to use "yum" | 11:54 |
| Creap | above the screen edge | 11:54 |
| Creap | can I make the titlebar smaller somehow? | 11:55 |
| Creap | or even better remove it | 11:56 |
| meegodotby | Aard : I have already looked - /etc/yum.repos.d/* )))))) | 11:56 |
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| meegodotby | Aard : Everything is all right ) | 11:59 |
| Aard | meegodotby: I doubt it. if it were you'd have used yum to a) find out that a make package exists and b) installed it | 11:59 |
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| meegodotby | Aard : make is updated | 12:06 |
| meegodotby | yum work from a box, it is fine | 12:06 |
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| meegodotby | i wish to start meego in virtualbox and I have problems with Xorg (( | 12:09 |
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| krypton | If i have a question about the MeeGo touch framework can I ask it here or there is a specialized channel | 12:21 |
| krypton | pretty much new around so wanted to check rather than ruffle some feathers on a friday ;) | 12:21 |
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| krypton | How are is the MeeGo touch framework organized, is there some diagram/document which descripes how the different repositories listed at : http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch | 12:23 |
| krypton | work together and interact | 12:23 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: so kpartx... | 12:28 |
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| X-Fade | lbt: Yes? :) | 12:29 |
| lbt | only mentioned in boot.multipath | 12:30 |
| lbt | and doesn't do what we need | 12:30 |
| lbt | who setup /dev/dm23? | 12:30 |
| X-Fade | No mention of it in /etc ;) | 12:32 |
| lbt | it's the 2nd filer | 12:32 |
| lbt | I don't know how the system knows about them :) | 12:33 |
| X-Fade | lbt: No kernel param at least. | 12:34 |
| lbt | hmm /dev/disk/by-id/ | 12:35 |
| X-Fade | Ah there it is. | 12:36 |
| X-Fade | So devicemapper iterates them? | 12:36 |
| lbt | yes... | 12:37 |
| lbt | and scsi-360060e8005478600000047860000398c -> ../../dm-22 | 12:37 |
| lbt | but scsi-360060e8005478600000047860000398c-part1 -> ../../dm-23 | 12:37 |
| lbt | and then I ran kpartx on dm-23 iirc | 12:37 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, so the filer shows up as scsi disks. | 12:37 |
| lbt | so I partitioned a partition... | 12:37 |
| lbt | oops | 12:37 |
| X-Fade | I wonder why that worked :) | 12:38 |
| lbt | kpartx will partition any block device AIUI | 12:38 |
| lbt | but that doesn't make it a good idea :) | 12:38 |
| X-Fade | hehe | 12:39 |
| lbt | I'm thinking of blatting the OBS VG | 12:39 |
| lbt | then removing the kpartx partitions | 12:39 |
| lbt | and the dm-23 partition | 12:39 |
| lbt | and then making 4 clean 50GB on dm-22 | 12:40 |
| X-Fade | We have enough space to backup in backup storage. | 12:40 |
| X-Fade | *backend | 12:40 |
| lbt | yes... | 12:40 |
| lbt | and... | 12:40 |
| lbt | we only need to backup the cache I think | 12:40 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service/Installation#Revise_VG_setup | 12:40 |
| X-Fade | btw, will this be supported in obs >=2 ? | 12:42 |
| lbt | mmm :) | 12:42 |
| lbt | yes | 12:42 |
| lbt | I'm wondering about going to 1.8 ASAP | 12:42 |
| lbt | and then to 2.1 ASAP too | 12:42 |
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| lbt | maybe go to 2.1 as we move to OSU | 12:43 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, it would be good to go to 2.1 on the OSU hardware. | 12:43 |
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| lbt | backing up cache | 12:44 |
| lbt | stopping worker | 12:44 |
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| lbt | very very odd... | 12:48 |
| lbt | had to lvremove multiple times... | 12:49 |
| lbt | it was like the swap partitions were still 'mounted' on the worker roots... | 12:49 |
| dl9pf | lbt: 1.8 would be good for the new cross-features, but 2.1 is in sight. | 12:49 |
| X-Fade | Maybe stopping workers doesn't unmount swap? | 12:49 |
| lbt | dl9pf: yes... and OSU is still a little way away I guess | 12:49 |
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| lbt | dl9pf: I want to match MeeGo OBS version 100% | 12:50 |
| X-Fade | Reminds me, I need to ping Mike about that. | 12:50 |
| dl9pf | ok, meego is still 1.7.x | 12:50 |
| lbt | dl9pf: yes... "plus some patches" :) | 12:51 |
| X-Fade | Although for arm we would really benefit from some cross power ;) | 12:51 |
| dl9pf | its already in 1.7.x - 1.8 and 2.1 provide the new cross- prjconf directive, which will make it more flexible. | 12:52 |
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| X-Fade | Need to figure out how we can accelerate for Qt. qmake and moc mostly. | 12:53 |
| lbt | for maemo? | 12:54 |
| dl9pf | X-Fade: if they're built during the compilation itself its hard. if they're preinstalled its possible. | 12:54 |
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| lbt | fake-scratchbox them :) | 12:54 |
| X-Fade | dl9pf: Well they need to match their library versions. | 12:54 |
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| X-Fade | lbt: hehe, nice thought. | 12:55 |
| X-Fade | But for MeeGo we would need to do something too. | 12:55 |
| lbt | ah, meego does it differently I think | 12:55 |
| X-Fade | Running those in qemu is not fun. | 12:55 |
| dl9pf | if we can isolate them - e.g. currently like bash, rpm, m4 and so on, we can replace them and speed-up. | 12:56 |
| dl9pf | including runtime dependencies | 12:56 |
| lbt | device-mapper: remove ioctl failed: Device or resource busy | 12:57 |
| lbt | :( | 12:57 |
| copyleft | lbt: hello ;) | 12:57 |
| lbt | o/ | 12:57 |
| dl9pf | X-Fade: could you write down a list of what would need a speedup (like qmake + moc + ?? ) and create a enhancement bug (infra/build-service) and assign it to me ? | 12:58 |
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| fabo | dear admins, what "blocked" status means ? | 12:59 |
| lbt | "in queue" | 12:59 |
| fabo | thks, /me wait then :) | 12:59 |
| X-Fade | dl9pf: Sure, will try to find out which ones are most needed for Qt application compilation. | 12:59 |
| lbt | blocked = coffee-time | 12:59 |
| copyleft | lbt: Have you tried "osc build" on MeeGo 1.0 SDK? Or what do you suggest a distribution for a MeeGo package maintainer? | 12:59 |
| fabo | lbt: it's blocked since > 4h ;) | 13:00 |
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| dl9pf | X-Fade: just take the biggest hogs. we can then sort out which we can isolate/speedup/substitute/whatever. | 13:00 |
| lbt | fabo: look at the "monitor" page | 13:00 |
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| lbt | copyleft: do you mean the meego.com OBS ? | 13:01 |
| X-Fade | dl9pf: In Maemo, they made those run on i386 because otherwise compilation took ages. So I guess those are it, but will investigate. | 13:01 |
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| fabo | lbt: ok, it waits for other package to build | 13:02 |
| dl9pf | X-Fade: yes, these will be a good start. | 13:02 |
| copyleft | lbt: I use osc to connect to our local OBS (on another machine) | 13:02 |
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| X-Fade | dl9pf: rcc + uic proably too. | 13:02 |
| lbt | OK - so osc works on most distros | 13:02 |
| copyleft | lbt: but not on MeeGo 1.0 SDK. lol :p still debugging... | 13:03 |
| lbt | ah... | 13:03 |
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| vlj | is java supported on meego platform ? | 13:05 |
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| copyleft | lbt: When run osc build, it download rpms to create a base chroot first right? But it fails to get any packages from my obs api. | 13:06 |
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| lbt | sounds like your local OBS isn't setup quite right? | 13:07 |
| lbt | can anything else connect to it? | 13:07 |
| X-Fade | copyleft: Can you browse your repo? | 13:07 |
| fabo | vlj: afaics, no | 13:08 |
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| fabo | not in core at least | 13:09 |
| vlj | ok | 13:09 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: dm is looking pretty screwed up | 13:10 |
| vlj | and there is still no way to run meego with an nvidia card ? | 13:10 |
| lbt | we have : dm-name-OBS-worker_swap2 -> ../../dm-31 | 13:10 |
| X-Fade | lbt: hmm | 13:10 |
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| lbt | and no OBS VG and no worker_swap2 LV .... | 13:10 |
| lbt | ll /dev/disk/by-id/ | 13:10 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Is that lingering one or a new one? | 13:10 |
| lbt | I've done pv/lv/vgscan | 13:10 |
| lbt | lingering | 13:11 |
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| copyleft | osc command tries three pathes, 1. /var/tmp/osbuild-packagecache/ 2. my local repository on http://192.168.19.156:82/MeeGo:1.0:Core/standard/i586/ (where it's nothing), 3. obs api on http://192.168.19.156:81/build/MeeGo:1.0:Core/standard/i586/_repository/<rpm name> (which I can access by browser and wget) | 13:11 |
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| lbt | kpartx -d /dev/dm-23 | 13:11 |
| lbt | device-mapper: remove ioctl failed: Device or resource busy | 13:11 |
| fabo | vlj: on meego-dev ml, someone claimed a working setup. but no official support. | 13:11 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Yeah, so shutting down workers didn't unmount swap. | 13:11 |
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| X-Fade | lbt: And also not proc, but that is no issue here. | 13:12 |
| copyleft | On Debian it seems successfully get packaes from the OBS API, but on MeeGo 1.0 SDK, it's not. | 13:12 |
| vlj | fabo : is it plan somewhere in the future ? | 13:12 |
| vlj | even the sdk does not work :/ | 13:12 |
| fabo | vlj: I doubt of any official support.It will be probably pushed by the community | 13:12 |
| lbt | X-Fade: I'm kinda tempted to reboot it and fix it when it comes back... then a few more reboot cycles | 13:12 |
| vlj | ok | 13:13 |
| lbt | how does "init 6" sound? | 13:13 |
| X-Fade | lbt: I see no other way to unmount those partitions now ;) | 13:13 |
| lbt | do the ISP need notifying? | 13:13 |
| X-Fade | lbt: If we do a quick reboot, nah ;) | 13:13 |
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| X-Fade | If it doesn't come back, then yes ;) | 13:14 |
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| lbt | heh... | 13:14 |
| lbt | here goes then... | 13:14 |
| X-Fade | I hope it doesn't hang on unmount after we have been kicked out though.. | 13:15 |
| lbt | now you say something.... | 13:15 |
| lbt | shouldn't nothing was mounted | 13:15 |
| copyleft | lbt: Yes I can connect and build it on Debian :) (sorry about mess up the discussion.) | 13:15 |
| lbt | it's saving off the xen fe/be | 13:15 |
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| fabo | lbt: which package do you want in Debian ? | 13:17 |
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| lbt | things around MeeGo | 13:18 |
| lbt | in this case some ruby and python libraries that I'm working on for BOSS | 13:18 |
| lbt | it may also include things like osc extensions | 13:19 |
| lbt | mic2 | 13:19 |
| fabo | lbt: i have uploaded mic2 | 13:19 |
| fabo | btw, it migrated to testing yesterday btw | 13:19 |
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| lbt | https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=Maemo%3AMeeGo-Infra | 13:20 |
| fabo | -btw | 13:20 |
| lbt | :) | 13:20 |
| lbt | X-Fade: it's back :) | 13:20 |
| X-Fade | lbt: luck you :) | 13:20 |
| X-Fade | +y | 13:20 |
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| lbt | fabo: I thought it would make sense for MeeGo to have somewhere to 'stage' tools | 13:21 |
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| lbt | I wasn't actually planning on pushing them to Debian etc yet (ours aren't really ready) | 13:21 |
| fabo | lbt: I can offer you a deal, you take maintainership and I sponsor ;) | 13:22 |
| * lbt considers... | 13:22 | |
| lbt | throw in some "mentor" and you have a deal :) | 13:22 |
| fabo | sure, it's in the package :D | 13:22 |
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| copyleft | X-Fade: Yes, but the local repository (http) has only the rpms build from my OBS. | 13:24 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: networking is broken | 13:26 |
| lbt | you do that... I'll do the OBS VG ? | 13:26 |
| lbt | the vms are up though | 13:27 |
| X-Fade | lbt: better now? | 13:27 |
| copyleft | X-Fade: So it download packages through the local OBS API, since MeeGo:1.0 prjconf is ready. | 13:27 |
| lbt | no | 13:28 |
| X-Fade | lbt: obs0 and xenbr0 ? | 13:28 |
| lbt | yep... prolly | 13:29 |
| lbt | rm /etc/sysconfig/network/obs0 ? | 13:29 |
| lbt | :) | 13:29 |
| X-Fade | ifconfig obs0 down doesn't fix it though. | 13:30 |
| lbt | I did a :) because it works now... | 13:30 |
| lbt | for ssh | 13:30 |
| lbt | http is kinda there... Message: execution expired | 13:31 |
| X-Fade | Ah that is api not working probably. | 13:31 |
| X-Fade | Hmm now it works. | 13:32 |
| lbt | damned dm-X have changed again... | 13:32 |
| X-Fade | lbt: better use the device ids? | 13:32 |
| lbt | dm-name-360060e8005478600000047860000398c_part1 ? | 13:33 |
| X-Fade | I think that is more stable? | 13:34 |
| X-Fade | As dm just starts counting at 0 on boot? | 13:34 |
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| MasterMatan | hi, are apps from meego for netbooks will run on smartphone meego? | 14:08 |
| vlj | no | 14:08 |
| vlj | (excepts if it's morrestown powered) | 14:08 |
| vlj | (moorestown*) | 14:09 |
| MasterMatan | so where i can find smartphone meego sdk? | 14:09 |
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| vlj | there is no one atm | 14:09 |
| vlj | but err | 14:09 |
| vlj | I meant | 14:10 |
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| vlj | binaries app from meego for netbook wont run on smartphone | 14:10 |
| vlj | but if you compile it, it should works | 14:10 |
| vlj | recompile* | 14:10 |
| vlj | but form factor may lead to some disparities | 14:10 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: another reboot? | 14:19 |
| X-Fade | I see you had a lot of fun creating partitions ;) | 14:20 |
| lbt | yeah | 14:20 |
| * timeless_mbp chuckles | 14:20 | |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service/Installation#Revise_VG_setup now | 14:20 |
| X-Fade | Ok, go for it. | 14:21 |
| lbt | hmmm is there a DNS problem on the be ? | 14:21 |
| X-Fade | be has no outside access. | 14:21 |
| X-Fade | Only fe has that. | 14:22 |
| lbt | it could be failing a reverse dns ... takes ages to start emacs | 14:22 |
| X-Fade | No, no dns is it. | 14:22 |
| vlj | err | 14:22 |
| vlj | is there a way to rebuild meego kernel ? | 14:22 |
| vlj | I mean, to install a new one | 14:22 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Want me to give be access for now? | 14:24 |
| lbt | mmm | 14:24 |
| lbt | only for outgoing connections | 14:24 |
| lbt | zypper up etc | 14:24 |
| X-Fade | Ok, that is something that needs a bit more configuration then ;) | 14:25 |
| lbt | reboot first? | 14:26 |
| X-Fade | Can you try if you have access now? | 14:26 |
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| lbt | shall I restore 8.8.8.8 to resolv.conf? | 14:27 |
| X-Fade | Sure | 14:28 |
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| lbt | yep.. that's OK | 14:28 |
| lbt | OK ... say when | 14:28 |
| X-Fade | when | 14:28 |
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| lbt | the worker didn't start and be hasn't got access | 14:38 |
| lbt | lvm is good | 14:38 |
| X-Fade | Didn't add the be routing to the script yet. | 14:38 |
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| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: What's wrong with it? | 14:42 |
| timeless_mbp | see changelog :) | 14:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | someone was a creative speller | 14:42 |
| timeless_mbp | deamons ... | 14:42 |
| X-Fade | Hehe | 14:42 |
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| lbt | should be "a daemon" .... <sigh> want a job doing right you have to do it yourself.... | 14:44 |
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| X-Fade | lbt: Check his extensive spelling changes ;) | 14:50 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: my actions exactly :) | 14:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | btw, could someone please fix the category and article? | 14:52 |
| timeless_mbp | openSUSE should be written as such, and not any other way (which unfortunately the article and category seem to practice) | 14:53 |
| * timeless_mbp eyes X-Fade | 14:53 | |
| Creap | is it possible to change the default browser in meego to something else than chromium/chrome? | 14:53 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: I'll give others an opportunity to contribute ;) | 14:54 |
| Creap | or is it too integrated | 14:54 |
| timeless_mbp | lol | 14:54 |
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| MasterMatan | Hello agin | 15:09 |
| MasterMatan | Sorry i had brutal dissconnect | 15:10 |
| MasterMatan | So, where i can find smartphone meego sdk? | 15:10 |
| MasterMatan | and to make app i must use smartphone meego sdk or intel app up sdk? | 15:12 |
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| hkivela | MasterMatan: for making handset apps, check out http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Nokia_Qt_SDK_v1.0_Beta | 15:19 |
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| MasterMatan | Ok, thx | 15:22 |
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| hkivela | and if you use Qt as much as possible, then it should be rather easy to build your app for Maemo and Symbian as well ... | 15:27 |
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| GAN900 | The "OMG, we've done so much for you how can you not appreciate it?!" line in the openess thread on -dev is interesting. | 15:37 |
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| Creap | do I have to recompile the kernel to get nfs support in meego? | 16:05 |
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| X-Fade | lbt: Somehow this doesn't sound right: now finalizing build dir... mount: Bad address | 16:13 |
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| CosmoHill | is anyone wants me I'll be in /dev/tty1 | 16:51 |
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| Pontus | So, is there only echange N900 can sync to?! Or what? | 17:00 |
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| slaine | EXPLETIVE!!!! | 17:05 |
| CosmoHill | slaine: what do you think? http://pastebin.cross-lfs.org/6943 | 17:05 |
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| TibshoOT | Je viens d avoir une revelation... | 17:11 |
| jeremiah | Bon. | 17:13 |
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| josemoreira | hello | 18:03 |
| josemoreira | i have linux/win7 dual boot | 18:03 |
| josemoreira | if i install meego, will the booloader detect other OS'es? | 18:04 |
| CosmoHill | I very much doubt it | 18:04 |
| CosmoHill | but then i've not been able to install meego | 18:04 |
| josemoreira | oh :/ | 18:05 |
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| josemoreira | http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2010/06/10/triple-boot-win7ubuntumeego-netbook-build-for-application-development-for-appup/ | 18:05 |
| CosmoHill | ooo | 18:06 |
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| simulacrum | josemoreira: Depending on which Linux distribution you use and what Grub version it has, you can easily add Meego to the "menu list", just after you install it. | 19:06 |
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| simulacrum | If it works, do actually know, but you may try (I'm considering giving it a shot in a few minutes) | 19:09 |
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| CosmoHill | hey DawnFoster | 19:09 |
| simulacrum | *don't actually know | 19:09 |
| DawnFoster | Hey CosmoHill | 19:09 |
| CosmoHill | I wrote a boot script for fail2ban :) | 19:09 |
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| CosmoHill | now when someone spends THREE HOURS brute forcing my server it should actually do something | 19:12 |
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| josemoreira | simulacrum, i use Mint wich is ubuntu based | 19:13 |
| josemoreira | i just fear it will overwrite current grub | 19:14 |
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| arash | man irtaniam kasi nist | 19:21 |
| arash | man kos mikham | 19:21 |
| arash | sexe | 19:22 |
| Myrtti | *yawn* | 19:22 |
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| CosmoHill | Myrtti: you from aniverse? | 19:24 |
| Myrtti | nope | 19:25 |
| CosmoHill | fair enough | 19:26 |
| CosmoHill | good thing I asked first | 19:26 |
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| Daniel__ | hello anyone can help-me | 19:55 |
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| simulacrum | Daniel__: I think this will help you -> http://goo.gl/zGJc | 19:58 |
| Daniel__ | thanks | 20:01 |
| CosmoHill | hahah | 20:01 |
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| Daniel__ | but... i read the help files, the community is a simple question but i can't find, i using meego and i cant change a keyboard language, my keyboard is portuguese, and the defaut is english, i don't have any problem with that but i can't type @ in the keyboard, is that only my problem | 20:05 |
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| CosmoHill | ow ow ow | 20:07 |
| _wolf_ | @ is shift-2 on the us keyboard ;) | 20:09 |
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| CosmoHill | or any mac keyboard | 20:11 |
| Daniel__ | yes is same in my but my shift 2 in meego is " | 20:12 |
| CosmoHill | that's a UK keyboard | 20:12 |
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| Daniel__ | how can i change that, i'm noob in linux | 20:13 |
| CosmoHill | I've never worked that out :/ | 20:14 |
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| Daniel__ | have some persons with this problem in meego forum but don't have any solution | 20:14 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm | 20:16 |
| CosmoHill | free 20Mb/s broadband with a 2GB monthly limit | 20:16 |
| CosmoHill | so in 102 seconds you can hit your limit? | 20:17 |
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| Daniel__ | ahh i solve the problem | 20:20 |
| Daniel__ | @@@ | 20:20 |
| Daniel__ | =D | 20:20 |
| Daniel__ | gnome-keyboard-properties | 20:20 |
| Daniel__ | in terminal | 20:20 |
| simulacrum | Pacience is the art of it all. | 20:21 |
| simulacrum | T_T | 20:21 |
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| simulacrum | Downloading Meego is not *data integrity safe*, why not provide a hash? (md5sum, sha256sum, etc) How do I know if 800 MB downloaded .img file is the same with that on the Meego servers | 20:24 |
| CosmoHill | there is a hash | 20:24 |
| CosmoHill | replace "img" with "md5" | 20:25 |
| zman099 | what is meego | 20:25 |
| Myrtti | zman099: /topic | 20:26 |
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| simulacrum | CosmoHill: for someone new to .img files and renaming it to .iso or .md5 this is *not obvious* , I think there should be some form of Wiki page helping with this | 20:28 |
| CosmoHill | non no | 20:29 |
| CosmoHill | you don't rename it to .md5 | 20:29 |
| CosmoHill | just the download link | 20:29 |
| simulacrum | yet again obscur | 20:29 |
| CosmoHill | that's just me | 20:29 |
| simulacrum | Anyway I'm going to write a Wiki page, just in case. | 20:30 |
| simulacrum | (after I familiarize myself more with this) | 20:30 |
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| simulacrum | The magic place was http://goo.gl/F0GO but someone from the Meego team needs to add links at http://goo.gl/9IVZ , making it easier for everybody to verify the integrity of the .img file | 20:40 |
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| simulacrum | (and btw the download is really really slow, torrents please?) | 20:41 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 21:12 |
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| odin_ | any news on Community OBS this week ? | 21:52 |
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| TSCHAKeee | wow, that thread dealing with meego incompatible with other distros caused a drama shitstorm | 22:49 |
| TSCHAKeee | *shake-head* | 22:49 |
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| Stskeeps | i think i need to write more to state exactly what i'm trying to discuss as i got perceived differently than expected - much respect to dirk and dawn for their answers, which showed clear and good reasons for corporate email use (which i wasn't contending, fwiw) | 22:52 |
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| Stskeeps | wb dawn | 22:56 |
| DawnFoster | hey stskeeps | 22:57 |
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| simulacrum | So if you don't have corporate e-mail your not to be taken seriously? | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | nah, that's not what's being said | 22:58 |
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| simulacrum | :-) just started reading the thread from meego-dev | 22:59 |
| w00t_ | the point of using a corporate address is to signify that you have an 'affiliation' of sorts | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | arjan's oneliner was perceived differently by me to what others perceived - his view seemed to be on to show corporate interest, my view was that it seemed like he had to be at a corporate email before even engaging in discussion. | 22:59 |
| w00t_ | right | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | and thanks to dawn and dirk for illustrating that interpretation | 22:59 |
| w00t_ | that is what I saw too | 22:59 |
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| w00t_ | so your mail (and replies) was still helpful, Stskeeps | 23:00 |
| DawnFoster | I like knowing who people work for :) | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | me too - i get a kick out of seeing @htc.com people on mailing list ;) | 23:00 |
| * w00t_ works for the best company that exists \o/ | 23:00 | |
| DawnFoster | it took me a while to realize the maemo.org people were nokia contractors, for example ;) | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | think we've worked hard to note that we're independent to some degree | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | .. even though we are contractors | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | liberated community members vs employees and all that | 23:02 |
| w00t_ | an independent corporate whore is still a corporate whore, Stskeeps :-P | 23:02 |
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| * Stskeeps is actually hoping to see more of 'liberated community members' in meego, the structure really allows for a flexible setup in that regard | 23:02 | |
| DawnFoster | in general, Intel usually just hires cool people out of the community, rather than having contractors | 23:04 |
| RST38bis | liberated from whom? | 23:04 |
| lbt | ub40 | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | RST38bis: from working for free | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:04 |
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| TSCHAKeee | how about contractors out of the community? :D | 23:04 |
| * TSCHAKeee giggles | 23:04 | |
| * RST38bis facepalms | 23:04 | |
| Stskeeps | and having to get another job, with no ability to work on meego | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: maemo's funny like that too, it started out as a research project, grabbing people from linux communities (gtk, etc), motiviating them to start companies, subcontract, get hired, .. etc | 23:05 |
| lbt | Felipe is making some really good points | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | it gives a certain open source environment feeling about the place | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | many people from maemo.org were taken in as well | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | which is one of my arguments why people love meego, as they can go back to their roots of creating a open mobile platform | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | and do it in the open like they used to | 23:08 |
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| Stskeeps | a technical question for those liking system performance.. let us say we have a rootfs on mmc, swap there too, system uses a lot of swap at times.. how bad would vm.swappiness=100 be felt in terms of user interaction? | 23:17 |
| TSCHAKeee | i think it would definitely be felt. | 23:18 |
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| Stskeeps | think we've found out why our n900s stall so hard then | 23:20 |
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| ShadowJK | Well.. | 23:21 |
| ShadowJK | At 1 you stall just as hard | 23:21 |
| ShadowJK | or harder, but it stalls later | 23:21 |
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| Stskeeps | found a good value yet? | 23:22 |
| ShadowJK | Not really | 23:22 |
| ShadowJK | But I know a solution | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 23:22 |
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| * ShadowJK screams: for the love of god $devicevendors, give us more RAM!! | 23:23 | |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 23:23 |
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| ShadowJK | Oh also, sometime after 2.6.28 Linux started prioritizing keeping executable code in memory when it's time to throw out stuff ;P | 23:24 |
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| ShadowJK | Stskeeps, does it stall hard for you the first day or two of uptime? | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 23:27 |
| ShadowJK | Because there's another thing that starts happening after a day or two of heavy use (and I'm using myself as benchmark for "heavy use"), which slows things down :-) | 23:28 |
| RST38bis | it only starts stalling for me at the 4th day or so | 23:29 |
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| RST38bis | and that was with default swappiness of 100 | 23:29 |
| RST38bis | but we may different use patterns | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | i'm really amazed my n900 is still alive afer all the crap i've put it through | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | took mainline linux at some point and booted, knowing that reports had been made smoke smell had been detected on boot :) | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | no problems, and we could start our work on meego :) | 23:30 |
| ShadowJK | In my use, swap starts getting fragmented (and I mean writing to it) after a day or two.. So after that, the actual throughput to swap decreases steadily | 23:30 |
| RST38bis | that was unneeded N900 parts burning off | 23:30 |
| RST38bis | I mean you do not need wifi, cellular, or power management in meego, do you? :) | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:31 |
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| ShadowJK | ( 1 >/proc/sys/vm/block-dump, no syslog, awk script groping /proc/kmsg for kswapd and observing the write patterns ) | 23:31 |
| RST38bis | ShadowJk: aha | 23:31 |
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| ShadowJK | I discovered that it's writing to it mostly sequentially, steadily increasing contigous sectors. Right now with <1day since activating this swap, and having no other swaps, the ratio of sequential to nonsequential writes is about 21:1 | 23:33 |
| ShadowJK | Once it reaches the end of the swap area and starts over, it's going to have random sectors already occupied, and be jumping all over the place, I'd assume.. | 23:33 |
| RST38bis | keep it logging for a week | 23:33 |
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| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: is there a way to adjust how it swaps to the device? maybe using mmc block size or something | 23:34 |
| RST38bis | and it is likely that the card itself hands out blocks randomly from the whole 32gb space | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | so it writes in 256k bits or whatever | 23:35 |
| ShadowJK | There is, and it's set to the mmc block size. But, the memory management system operates with 4k pages, so when an app dirties a page that was located on swap previously, it's (I assume) freed in swap | 23:35 |
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| ShadowJK | RST38bis, yeah but that shuffling would have no performance impact on us | 23:35 |
| RST38bis | why? | 23:35 |
| RST38bis | oh no need to erase... | 23:36 |
| RST38bis | it is erasures that cost us | 23:36 |
| ShadowJK | The issue is that writing 4k to a 256k block is as expensive as writing 256k to that block. Whether that 256k block is at the start of the emmc, at the end, or the middle, makes no difference.. | 23:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: it's the read access to another large block that's expensive | 23:38 |
| ShadowJK | Well if you touch any other block in between :-) | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the write by itself is no real write | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | i must admit that the people doing the intel and meego ads are quite good at making interesting videos | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpUvGMGTDuQ&feature=youtu.be | 23:39 |
| RST38bis | ShadowJK: and swap cannot be forced to always work in 256k increments? | 23:39 |
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| Stskeeps | especially since there's UX references from handset UX in the video transitions | 23:40 |
| ShadowJK | Well you know, you're pushing out random pages from all over that look like they haven't been used in a while into a contigous block, and just because one app then suddenly needs 4k out of that 256k doesn't mean that the other 15 apps that each have some small amount of data in that chunk would need their data back | 23:41 |
| ShadowJK | So basically what we'd need is a defrag/garbage collection type thing ;) | 23:42 |
| RST38bis | but what if you swap in 256k groups of pages belonging to the same object? | 23:42 |
| ShadowJK | So I think what you're basically proposing is increasing the memory page size to 256k | 23:43 |
| * RST38bis sincerely hopes Samsung started producing 512MB OneRAMs | 23:43 | |
| RST38bis | ShadowJK: well you cant, in hardware | 23:44 |
| RST38bis | but you can in software | 23:44 |
| ShadowJK | yeah.. I don't think it's a sane thing to do though | 23:44 |
| RST38bis | when you are deciding which pages to dump | 23:44 |
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| ShadowJK | Luckily there are so many possible solutions that it ensures that no solution is taken :) | 23:48 |
| RST38bis | swappiness 30 seems to help a lot | 23:49 |
| RST38bis | causes a few funny but harmless effects | 23:49 |
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| RST38bis | gallery scrolls like a charm but it takes time to show thumbnails | 23:49 |
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| ShadowJK | The idea with 100, I think, is that there's a steady stream of light swap activity, so the system is always on top of things | 23:50 |
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| RST38bis | yea | 23:50 |
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| ShadowJK | With 1, it barely swaps at all until it gets really squeezed for memory, and then it had to work hard and long to get anywhere | 23:50 |
| RST38bis | but it only makes sense when you have reasonably fast mass storage | 23:50 |
| RST38bis | and, of course, no other traffic | 23:51 |
| RST38bis | like... /opt :) | 23:51 |
| ShadowJK | and $HOME, I think the database fsync() load really hurts, especially since it's ext3 :) | 23:52 |
| RST38bis | note: swappiness 100 came into effect before they invented /opt | 23:53 |
| ShadowJK | gpodder became about 10 times faster when I moved swap and ~/.gpodder to uSD, the remaining load on emmc being opt and MyDocs, to which gpodder was saving stuff at 600kB/s | 23:53 |
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| RST38bis | and uSD interface is 4bit afaik | 23:53 |
| RST38bis | emmc is Ibit | 23:53 |
| RST38bis | 8 | 23:53 |
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| ShadowJK | btw, my impression from randomly reading flamewars on this topic: regular linux has "60", compile benchmarks show 100 is fastest, the interactivity/desktop people want filecache to never cause swapout, but all benchmarks even of interactivity shows this to be negative impact | 23:55 |
| ShadowJK | and naive people set it to 0 and are happily promoting and gleeming how excellent it is, until they crash hard | 23:56 |
| RST38bis | it all depends on what hw you have got | 23:56 |
| ShadowJK | Also as we can see on tmo, people are reporting improvements from things that are clearly only placebos | 23:57 |
| RST38bis | but I respect pycage and believe his words that30 is optimal | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | so it's hard to get real data on whether something helps or not :) | 23:57 |
| RST38bis | no shit, given how elusive performance tuning is | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder if swap idle readin thing (I forget the real name) still exists.. | 23:58 |
| ShadowJK | iirc the idea was to copy pages from swap to ram if there was free ram, at idle io priority | 23:58 |
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| RST38bis | mmm...isnt linux using free ram for disk caches? | 23:59 |
| ShadowJK | Yes, but if you've suddenly got free ram, you might want to try predict what the user is going to want to do next, and have it ready in ram | 23:59 |
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