| TSCHAKeee2 | Stskeeps: re Motif, would you prefer the default periwinkle blue background too? :P | 00:00 |
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| texrat | they're the same | 00:00 |
| Venemo | w00t_: although giving a bug tracker link as a "features database" is a very good joke :) | 00:00 |
| w00t_ | Venemo: no joke | 00:00 |
| anidel | A feature is a bug that saw an opportunity and took advantage of it. | 00:00 |
| Venemo | texrat: haha | 00:00 |
| w00t_ | Venemo: see http://meego.com/community/blogs/samipienimaki/2010/opening-meego-requirements | 00:00 |
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| Venemo | heh | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | http://bugs.meego.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=3209&hide_resolved=1 | 00:01 |
| w00t_ | this addresses the annoying habit of brainstorm being totally ignored, I guess ;p | 00:01 |
| Venemo | perhaps :) | 00:01 |
| lcuk | RST38h, Stskeeps if theres going to be any themes, it best be Hannah Montana. | 00:01 |
| texrat | I feel sleep approaching | 00:02 |
| * RST38h likes themes that do not contain living beings in them. Especially humans. | 00:02 | |
| RST38h | Too many of these around anyway, to also have them in the phone background | 00:02 |
| * Venemo agrees with RST38h, with the exception of plants and trees | 00:03 | |
| RST38h | yea, plants are ok | 00:03 |
| CosmoHill | how goes everyone? | 00:03 |
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| lbt | Venemo: kittens? | 00:05 |
| Venemo | lbt: perhaps! only if they are cute :P | 00:06 |
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| lbt | heh | 00:06 |
| texrat | bailing...night all | 00:08 |
| lcuk | gnite texrat | 00:08 |
| Venemo | good night texrat | 00:08 |
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| CosmoHill | Venemo: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/bobby.jpg << doggy :D | 00:10 |
| Venemo | CosmoHill: lol. | 00:10 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, the dog is looking at you like "put down the technology and feed me" | 00:12 |
| Venemo | CosmoHill: nice. is he your dog? | 00:12 |
| CosmoHill | rofl | 00:12 |
| CosmoHill | Venemo: no but it would be awesome if he was | 00:12 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: i took him for a 45 min walk :) | 00:13 |
| Venemo | CosmoHill: :) | 00:13 |
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| CosmoHill | turns out you can't get to the uni via that feild | 00:13 |
| GAN900 | w00t_, if I can get sponsorship | 00:13 |
| CosmoHill | 3 feilds and a few wrong turns later i made it to uni | 00:13 |
| GAN900 | But as I suspect my contribution level at that time may be quite low, we'll see. | 00:13 |
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| patapalo | hi | 00:15 |
| CosmoHill | Boo | 00:15 |
| timeless_mbp | CosmoHill: =~ s/feild/field/g | 00:17 |
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| goosedroid | hi ... the "Getting started with the MeeGo SDK for Linux" doc says the simulator doesn't support ATI or NVIDIA graphics; is there any ETA on when this support will be added? Is there a way to develop without this simulator (I'm guessing not). | 00:18 |
| w00t_ | goosedroid: is that the chroot? | 00:21 |
| goosedroid | i'm such a noob, yeah ... | 00:21 |
| w00t_ | goosedroid: see http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=767 | 00:21 |
| w00t_ | you might have luck with that.. | 00:21 |
| goosedroid | ok, thanks! | 00:21 |
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| Savago | by the way, has anyone built libmeegotouch? | 00:26 |
| Savago | Here (Ubuntu 9.10) it fails with: http://pastebin.com/HAAtNcTi | 00:26 |
| w00t_ | yes | 00:26 |
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| w00t_ | you need.. sec | 00:27 |
| Savago | Maybe there is a missing dependency. | 00:27 |
| w00t_ | libgconf2-dev | 00:27 |
| w00t_ | ^ | 00:27 |
| Savago | hum, I have it installed already. | 00:27 |
| w00t_ | ls -al /usr/include/gconf? | 00:28 |
| w00t_ | (i.e. are you sure? :)) | 00:28 |
| Savago | adenilson@macblack:~$ ls /usr/include/gconf/ | 00:28 |
| Savago | 2 | 00:28 |
| Savago | But was it to fail at configure step? | 00:29 |
| Savago | was it/wasn't it | 00:29 |
| Savago | Let's try to run configure again... :-) | 00:29 |
| Savago | hum, this time it worked. :-) | 00:31 |
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| ingoa | hello | 00:38 |
| ingoa | i'am new here | 00:38 |
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| w00t_ | welcome | 00:39 |
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| CosmoHill | w00t_: I'll have to try that | 00:39 |
| CosmoHill | hey ingoa | 00:39 |
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| w00t_ | CosmoHill: go ahead :-) | 00:39 |
| ingoa | now, i run meego on my new "asuss eeepc t101mt" >> fun | 00:39 |
| pupnik | can you switch to a different OS without rebooting? | 00:40 |
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| CosmoHill | pupnik: only way to do that is with a VM | 00:41 |
| CosmoHill | you can chroot with linux tho but that's not the same | 00:41 |
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| ingoa | can i have some mp3 support on meego? | 00:44 |
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| pupnik | CosmoHill: i haven't found much good info on how a hypervisor can work with OS's to save and restore GPU context | 00:48 |
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| ingoa | ok, no codecs for meego. i read it in the meego forum | 00:51 |
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| ScottishDuck | meego final will have codecs | 00:56 |
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| ScottishDuck | in fact, I'm pretty sure the current builds have gstreamer | 00:56 |
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| CosmoHill | where's the script to start the chroot sdk | 00:59 |
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| Savago | hum... when I try to start widgetgalery, I got this: | 01:04 |
| Savago | adenilson@macblack:~$ widgetsgallery | 01:04 |
| Savago | MRemoteThemeDaemon: Failed to connect to theme daemon (IPC) | 01:04 |
| Savago | MThemeDaemon - base theme directory not found: /usr/local/share/themes/base/meegotouch/libmeegotouchcore/style. Please (re)install meegotouchtheme package. | 01:04 |
| Savago | Aborted | 01:04 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:04 |
| Savago | But I *do* have installed the touch-theme. | 01:04 |
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| Savago | Hum, reinstalling it fixed. | 01:08 |
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| Savago | It is looking kind of cool, but I was not able to find an exemple in widget galeary were the buttons in a toolbar are replaced from the bottom to the top, like this: | 01:17 |
| Savago | http://meego.com/sites/all/files/users/u36/1-col1.png | 01:18 |
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| CosmoHill | w00t_: I can't get the damn thing started | 01:27 |
| w00t_ | CosmoHill: mm? | 01:29 |
| CosmoHill | the chroot | 01:29 |
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| w00t_ | well, "doesn't work" is a big area :-P | 01:30 |
| w00t_ | what happens | 01:30 |
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| CosmoHill | right | 01:33 |
| CosmoHill | I open two terminals | 01:33 |
| CosmoHill | in one I open Xephr | 01:33 |
| CosmoHill | Xephyr :2 -ac -host-cursor -screen 1024-600 | 01:34 |
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| CosmoHill | that opens a blank xephyr window | 01:34 |
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| CosmoHill | I then run "sudo ./meego-sdk-choot ./meego-sdk-0524 | 01:34 |
| CosmoHill | once in the chroot I run "export DISPLAY=:2" | 01:35 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, so, | 01:35 |
| * timeless_mbp goes shopping for a non lame version of apt (as a .rpm) | 01:35 | |
| CosmoHill | then "startmeego &" | 01:35 |
| thiago_akademy | timeless_mbp: smart | 01:36 |
| CosmoHill | I'm pressed enter and nothing in happening | 01:36 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago_akademy: ? | 01:36 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago_akademy: i found apt-0.5.15lorg3.94a-5.el5.rf.i386.rpm | 01:36 |
| timeless_mbp | which is a really lame version of apt | 01:36 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm hoping for a less lame version | 01:36 |
| thiago_akademy | timeless_mbp: I'd recommend smart instead of apt, when dealing with RPMs | 01:37 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago_akademy: i'm dealing w/ debs | 01:37 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm on a rpm based system | 01:37 |
| timeless_mbp | and need to run apt commands against an apt repo | 01:37 |
| timeless_mbp | and i don't have a working build env | 01:37 |
| timeless_mbp | so i don't want to "build from sources" | 01:38 |
| thiago_akademy | you may want to build apt from sources | 01:38 |
| thiago_akademy | that apt you can find there maybe a build for dealing with rpm | 01:38 |
| thiago_akademy | Mandriva (an RPM distro) has apt, but it only accepts RPM repos | 01:38 |
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| CosmoHill | w00t_: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/failed-chroot.png | 01:43 |
| CosmoHill | oh nuts | 01:43 |
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| w00t_ | CosmoHill: run startmeego-debug instead | 01:46 |
| w00t_ | (no &) | 01:46 |
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| CosmoHill | http://pastebin.cross-lfs.org/6941 | 01:48 |
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| * timeless_mbp ponders | 01:50 | |
| CosmoHill | my laptop is sounding an alarm, brb | 01:50 |
| timeless_mbp | maybe i can just use apt from a deb? :) | 01:50 |
| CosmoHill | why not compile from source? | 01:53 |
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| CosmoHill | i missed out xhost +SI:localuser:usernametogiveaccesstogoeshere | 01:56 |
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| w00t_ | CosmoHill: cool, so it works now? | 01:59 |
| CosmoHill | of course not :( | 01:59 |
| w00t_ | okay, what result? :-) | 01:59 |
| CosmoHill | i did do xhost +local: instead >.> | 01:59 |
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| CosmoHill | do you type it in just like it's written or do you replace it | 02:00 |
| w00t_ | (you realise that usernametogiveaccesstogoeshere was not literal, right?) | 02:00 |
| CosmoHill | eg "localuser" becomes "nate" | 02:00 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 02:00 |
| w00t_ | localuser I don't know about | 02:00 |
| w00t_ | hold on, let me ask a guru | 02:00 |
| CosmoHill | localuser:nate works fine | 02:01 |
| w00t_ | ah | 02:01 |
| CosmoHill | i mean so far | 02:01 |
| w00t_ | hm :P | 02:01 |
| CosmoHill | would it be easier to do | 02:01 |
| CosmoHill | xhost +SI:localuser:$USER | 02:02 |
| CosmoHill | ? | 02:02 |
| rohanpm | I'm under the impression most people simply do `xhost +' rather than trying to learn how that actually works | 02:02 |
| CosmoHill | or `whoami` | 02:02 |
| w00t_ | rohanpm: the concerns with it are valid, though | 02:02 |
| w00t_ | CosmoHill: hmm, maybe | 02:02 |
| * w00t_ finds the guy who suggested this to nag him with the questions | 02:03 | |
| CosmoHill | http://planet.debian.net/cgi-bin/search.cgi?terms=chroot | 02:03 |
| CosmoHill | Daniel Stone? | 02:04 |
| w00t_ | yes :-) | 02:04 |
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| * timeless_mbp found a better version of apt but managed to delete a critical file | 02:05 | |
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| CosmoHill | w00t_: what time zone are you in? | 02:06 |
| w00t_ | CEST | 02:07 |
| w00t_ | (UTC+2) | 02:07 |
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| CosmoHill | ah | 02:07 |
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| w00t_ | daniels: just the man :) | 02:07 |
| CosmoHill | you've had more coffee than me then | 02:07 |
| w00t_ | daniels: we've been discussing your favourite topic: xhost | 02:07 |
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| daniels | heh | 02:08 |
| w00t_ | long story short, two questions really | 02:08 |
| daniels | how can i help? | 02:08 |
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| w00t_ | firstly, how does the +SI:localuser: magic work? it restricts access (to what?) to a given user? | 02:08 |
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| daniels | it allows that user access to the x server | 02:09 |
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| daniels | which, with default configuration (no xselinux or anything), gives them free reign over everything in the server | 02:10 |
| w00t_ | vs xhost +local which grants access to ..anyone? | 02:10 |
| daniels | yeah, xhost +local grants access to, well, anyone local | 02:10 |
| w00t_ | okay | 02:10 |
| daniels | there's also SI:localuid: i think, and similar | 02:10 |
| daniels | xhost + just disables authentication completely | 02:11 |
| daniels | traditionally you had a cookie in ~/.Xauthority, but eh | 02:11 |
| CosmoHill | does sudo need to be ran in front of xhost? | 02:11 |
| w00t_ | this is probably a stupid question then, but, is there anything wrong with recommending something like xhost +SI:localuser:`whoami`? (we've had a rather large number of people not understanding that 'localuser' needs to stay, and the 'usernametogiveaccesstogoeshere' bit goes at the end :)) | 02:12 |
| CosmoHill | or maybe | 02:12 |
| CosmoHill | +SI:localuid:$UID | 02:12 |
| w00t_ | CosmoHill: I don't think it requires superuser, it didn't in my case at least | 02:13 |
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| daniels | haha! yeah, that'd be fine, except doesn't everything in the sdk run as root? | 02:13 |
| daniels | CosmoHill: you don't need sudo in front of it, with the default x configuration, everyone with access to the x server can alter the access list | 02:14 |
| daniels | we don't give any special access to root per default | 02:14 |
| w00t_ | point, so then it's just localuser:root I guess | 02:14 |
| daniels | yeah, should be :) | 02:15 |
| * w00t_ really should stop treating X like a magical box and read up on it some.. | 02:15 | |
| * CosmoHill should just go to bed | 02:16 | |
| daniels | mm, most of it is just crap and unused tbh | 02:16 |
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| w00t_ | lol | 02:16 |
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| w00t_ | well, access lists seem like a useful feature for example :) | 02:17 |
| w00t_ | there have been times when i've wanted access to an X session from another user and I never knew that was possible until now! | 02:17 |
| CosmoHill | I still have a big blank box on my screen :( | 02:17 |
| daniels | :) | 02:17 |
| w00t_ | (well, a while ago) | 02:17 |
| w00t_ | CosmoHill: try startmeego-debug again, and pastebin for me | 02:17 |
| daniels | traditionally just copy ~/.Xauthority or fuck around with xauth, though the latter sucks | 02:17 |
| daniels | but SI:localuser:foo works on everything post-X.Org 6.8 | 02:17 |
| w00t_ | and if all else fails: +local and run away from you | 02:18 |
| w00t_ | :-P | 02:18 |
| daniels | haha | 02:18 |
| daniels | just don't tell anyone | 02:18 |
| CosmoHill | http://pastebin.cross-lfs.org/6942 | 02:18 |
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| CosmoHill | wasn't it "xhost +local" orginally? | 02:19 |
| w00t_ | failed to create drawable | 02:19 |
| w00t_ | well that is informative | 02:19 |
| thiago_akademy | +local: | 02:19 |
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| w00t_ | CosmoHill: yes, it was, daniels' explanation above outlines why that probably isn't a good idea | 02:20 |
| * CosmoHill wonders when thiago_akademy sleeps | 02:20 | |
| w00t_ | european nighttime | 02:20 |
| w00t_ | same as me :-P | 02:20 |
| w00t_ | thiago_akademy: enjoying akademy? | 02:21 |
| CosmoHill | I'm only an hour behind you | 02:21 |
| thiago_akademy | w00t_: yup | 02:21 |
| thiago_akademy | CosmoHill: I should be in bed... | 02:21 |
| thiago_akademy | it's 2:21 | 02:21 |
| Venemo | thiago_akademy: me too, although it's just 1:21 here :P | 02:21 |
| CosmoHill | UTC+1 here | 02:21 |
| ScottishDuck | GMT master race reporting in | 02:22 |
| CosmoHill | Greenwich is 30 ish miles away :) | 02:22 |
| * thiago_akademy is too fired up thinking of how to refactor QtDBus to use threads | 02:22 | |
| ScottishDuck | GMT = Glorious Master Race | 02:22 |
| Venemo | CosmoHill: it is UTC+2 here. | 02:22 |
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| CosmoHill | i also have a powerbook on my legs so I'd like to get this fixed quickly :/. | 02:23 |
| w00t_ | thiago_akademy: what will you gain with threading? | 02:23 |
| CosmoHill | w00t_: a nice cross-stich patten | 02:23 |
| CosmoHill | pattern* | 02:23 |
| thiago_akademy | w00t_: I'm unsure if one thread stuck in a blocking call blocks the access to another thread | 02:23 |
| thiago_akademy | w00t_: but to support event-loop-less applications | 02:23 |
| w00t_ | thiago_akademy: good point | 02:24 |
| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:25 |
| CosmoHill | w00t_: good meeting btw :) | 02:26 |
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| * Venemo is very sleepy now | 02:30 | |
| thiago_akademy | me too | 02:30 |
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| thiago_akademy | but it's too warm inside to sleep | 02:30 |
| * Venemo yawns, then says goodbye to everyone | 02:30 | |
| * Venemo then thanks w00t_ for the meeting | 02:31 | |
| * Venemo then quits, shuts his computer off, and crawls to bed :D | 02:31 | |
| w00t_ | thiago_akademy: open a window | 02:32 |
| * w00t_ is planning to go hit the shower and then play games for a while until he gets tired | 02:32 | |
| thiago_akademy | I have | 02:32 |
| w00t_ | .. isn't it cold in .fi? | 02:32 |
| w00t_ | it's cold here today | 02:32 |
| thiago_akademy | nope | 02:32 |
| thiago_akademy | too warm -- 29°C during the day | 02:32 |
| w00t_ | lucky | 02:32 |
| thiago_akademy | 25.5°C inside | 02:33 |
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| w00t_ | http://www.yr.no/place/Norway/S%C3%B8r-Tr%C3%B8ndelag/Trondheim/Trondheim/hour_by_hour.html <-- although wednesday looks hotter | 02:33 |
| thiago_akademy | anyway, going now too | 02:33 |
| thiago_akademy | cya | 02:33 |
| w00t_ | cya | 02:33 |
| Venemo | bye | 02:33 |
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| w00t_ | nite ven.. | 02:33 |
| w00t_ | :P | 02:33 |
| pupnik | thiago_akademy: are there anything but ad-hoc videos of the presentations? | 02:34 |
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| daniels | 'night kids | 02:43 |
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| ns5 | Hi, I heard that MeeGo netbook 1.0 does not include GMA500 driver. Is there any other way I can use MeeGo on my Asua T91 netbook? | 10:01 |
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| ns5 | Can I build the driver by myself? | 10:03 |
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| Coke | Hey. I installed MeeGo in a virtualbox environment and I get the same problem as everyone else with the stuck screen. I start X and twm manually, but then how do I start the real UI? I'd like to test my Qt apps to see how they look and behave on MeeGo. | 10:06 |
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| mueslee | hi | 10:09 |
| mueslee | i'm looking for a monitor (>19") suitable for touchscreen-application development | 10:09 |
| mueslee | does anybody have a suggestion for me? | 10:09 |
| mueslee | it'd perfect if it was suitable for the industry sector | 10:10 |
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| krypton | hi, a newbie question, | 10:27 |
| krypton | if have to develop some app for MeeGo (netbook or handset) where can I see which all apps are being developed by others | 10:27 |
| krypton | and which one have no takers for now | 10:27 |
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| krypton | the link http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=431 and http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_FAQ | 10:29 |
| krypton | did not help much :( | 10:29 |
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| meegodotby | hi all | 10:30 |
| Termana | krypton, you mean see what apps other people are working on? | 10:30 |
| krypton | yes Termana | 10:30 |
| sandst1 | krypton: i guess http://garage.meego.com/garage will be one place when it opens | 10:30 |
| krypton | and what can I take up | 10:30 |
| sandst1 | in the meanwhile check out https://garage.maemo.org/ to get an idea of how it might look like | 10:31 |
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| Termana | krypton, like sandst1 said, MeeGo garage is a start, and then poking around and communicating with other developers to see what they are doing is another. | 10:31 |
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| krypton | ok sure thanks Termana and sandst1 | 10:34 |
| krypton | by the way what are you working on ;) | 10:34 |
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| Termana | krypton, I don't do application development, I try to involve myself in platform development | 10:35 |
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| amjad | krypton: if you can develop any location based service, that will be a start, compared to android, meego lbs is still not upto mark | 10:36 |
| krypton | ok amjad will check about LBS | 10:37 |
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| sandst1 | krypton: atm in the process of creating a multimedia app with Qt, hoping it'll pop up in talk.maemo.org once it's complete enough ;) | 10:39 |
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| meegodotby | What minimum of memory is necessary for system? | 10:40 |
| Coke | Anybody have a sollution for the MeeGo UI freeze problem in emulated PC environments like virtualbox? Getting X and twm running isn't sufficient to test how an app looks and behaves in MeeGo. | 10:41 |
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| meegodotby | )) | 10:42 |
| krypton | right now in my image banshee is there, are you working on it ? | 10:42 |
| sandst1 | Coke: at least the simulator should give you some hint of how it'll behave. http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux | 10:43 |
| Coke | sandst1: simulator? | 10:43 |
| sandst1 | yea | 10:43 |
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| Coke | oh, the chroot stuff? | 10:44 |
| sandst1 | krypton: nope, it's audio related | 10:44 |
| Coke | yeah, "simulator" | 10:44 |
| sandst1 | Coke: yup that one | 10:44 |
| Coke | sandst1: it doesnt work on a 64-bit system tho | 10:44 |
| krypton | ok | 10:44 |
| Coke | I remember trying it, it failed horribly for some reason I cannot remember and then I deleted it. | 10:44 |
| Coke | Why can't I remember why it failed. | 10:45 |
| meegodotby | MeeGo + VirtualBox = Problem | 10:45 |
| Coke | MeeGo + anything that isn't the stupid specs = problem | 10:45 |
| Coke | Just like with Maemo | 10:45 |
| Coke | Linux is one of the most architecture transparent operating systems available, it's just so weird that they can't even make it run in a vbox. | 10:46 |
| Coke | or have a 64-bit test system at least | 10:46 |
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| ChildOfGod | I cant find any links that tell me how to write and build simple clutter programs. | 11:00 |
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| fcocuadrado | Hi, all! Yesterday I was trying to compile meego RPMS using mock with a Fedora 12 chroot, but a lot of packages failed at compilation. Can it be caused because Fedora 12 is an old distro? | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | or because they rely on actually being compiled with meego? :P | 11:38 |
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| fcocuadrado | Ok, in that case how can I compile these packages from scratch? | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | set up a OBS, import all rpms, set up prjconf :P | 11:40 |
| bpeel | ChildOfGod: this tutorial is quite good: http://tuxradar.com/content/clutter-beginners-tutorial | 11:40 |
| fcocuadrado | Stskeeps: there isn't another option? | 11:40 |
| ChildOfGod | hey thanks bpeel | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | it's the best one | 11:40 |
| fcocuadrado | ok, with OBS I can modify sources from meego and after that compile them with the rest of meego packages and obtain a customized meego image? | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | well, you can do that, combined with mic2.. | 11:42 |
| fcocuadrado | thanks! My first approach was to compile all meego sources (from repo) using mock, after that create my own local repository and use mic2 with it to create my own meego image | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | what arch were you targetting? | 11:45 |
| fcocuadrado | x86 | 11:45 |
| fcocuadrado | I want to learn how to modify some meego sources by hand | 11:45 |
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| fcocuadrado | slaine told me yesterday that my approach wasn't the best, but I could try it | 11:50 |
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| fcocuadrado | so, using an alternative distro as a base system to compile meego RPMS is not a good idea | 11:51 |
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| slaine | Even compiling in Moblin failed previously | 11:52 |
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| Stskeeps | was prjconfs for obs out back then? | 11:54 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: i'm still looking for a useful explanation for why kernel and linux exist (as rpms!) ;-) | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | url for those rpms? | 11:56 |
| timeless_mbp | um, blah | 11:56 |
| timeless_mbp | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/source/kernel-2.6.33.2-17.1.src.rpm is the kernel one | 11:57 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders where the linux one is | 11:57 | |
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| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 11:57 | |
| * timeless_mbp wonders if the other one is kernel-headers | 11:58 | |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, i think it might be | 11:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | assuming it's the kernel-headers one | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/source/kernel-headers-2.6.33-2.1.src.rpm | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | -rw-rw-r-- 1 timeless timeless 65M May 16 06:49 SRPMS/kernel-2.6.33.2-17.1.src.rpm | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | -rw-rw-r-- 1 timeless timeless 64M May 16 06:49 SRPMS/kernel-headers-2.6.33-2.1.src.rpm | 12:00 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: yes, there was a config and example for using 'build' | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | so this is someone's idea of a joke | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | making people download the entire kernel just to get the headers | 12:00 |
| * timeless_mbp loves linux distributions | 12:00 | |
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| timeless_mbp | if you're going to do that, surely you could just make the headers package depend on the kernel source package and use some magic | 12:01 |
| timeless_mbp | save people some space | 12:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | and don't tell me you're doing me a favor by giving me a *different* version of my kernel's headers than the one i got for the kernel itself | 12:02 |
| slaine | timeless_mbp: looks like a mistake to me. Typically the kernel source rpm would generate the kernel-headers binary rpm | 12:02 |
| timeless_mbp | slaine: ok, so i should file a bug complaining that kernel-headers-*.src.rpm exists at all? | 12:03 |
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| slaine | I would | 12:03 |
| * timeless_mbp will | 12:03 | |
| timeless_mbp | thanks all | 12:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | am i using repo.meego.com for this stuff? | 12:03 |
| * timeless_mbp does | 12:03 | |
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| timeless_mbp | fwiw, the current versions of this disaster seem to be: | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/preview/core/repos/source/kernel-2.6.35~rc3-121.3.src.rpm | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/preview/core/repos/source/kernel-headers-2.6.34-1.3.src.rpm | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | notice the 2.6.34 v. 2.6.35 ! | 12:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | Bug 3702 submitted | 12:13 |
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| curiositybanget | hy all | 12:23 |
| amjad | hi curiosity | 12:23 |
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| curiositybanget | hy amjad | 12:23 |
| curiositybanget | nice to see live person here | 12:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | nah, amjad's a bot ;-) | 12:25 |
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| amjad | sure meego bot :) | 12:26 |
| curiositybanget | c'mon, isn't there real "person" here? | 12:26 |
| curiositybanget | i'm in bot land, help mee | 12:26 |
| amjad | hahaha curiosity :) | 12:26 |
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| alterego | gadget gadget | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp | there isn't such a thing as "real person" | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp | there are real _people_, even here | 12:27 |
| curiositybanget | is timeless bot? | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 12:28 |
| curiositybanget | i ask the other, not u timeless | 12:28 |
| amjad | timeless is a bot, he exists all time here :) | 12:28 |
| * timeless nods | 12:28 | |
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| * timeless points back | 12:28 | |
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| curiositybanget | but, i think timeless is good bot | 12:29 |
| curiositybanget | hehe | 12:29 |
| dm8tbr | oh right we don't have gavin here | 12:29 |
| * timeless_mbp offers curiositybanget an article ("a") | 12:29 | |
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| timeless_mbp | dm8tbr: heh, yeah, i'll have to be his stand in | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | he's in #maemo :o | 12:30 |
| dm8tbr | O.O | 12:30 |
| curiositybanget | hy dm8tbr | 12:30 |
| curiositybanget | dm8tbr <<< real person | 12:30 |
| curiositybanget | right? | 12:30 |
| * dm8tbr throws himself a botsnack | 12:30 | |
| dm8tbr | omnomnomnom | 12:30 |
| curiositybanget | hehe, nice try | 12:31 |
| curiositybanget | hmm | 12:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | *wow* | 12:42 |
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| * timeless_mbp just called O'Reilly | 12:42 | |
| timeless_mbp | my call was answered nearly immediately by a real person who was quite eager to help | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | when she realized she didn't quite know the site too well she offered to transfer me to someone else (while i figured out how to direct one of them) | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | and he quickly took my feedback | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | such a strange experience | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | (someone mis-wrote MeeGo and Qt fwiw) | 12:44 |
| dm8tbr | how's that possible. it's just two letters | 12:47 |
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| amjad | dm8btr: outsourcing may be the reason :) | 12:49 |
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| Aard | == | 13:12 |
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| sbalazs | i am trying to install qt-mobility 1.0.0 with 4.6.2 qt and qmf. It doesn't find bluetooth/bluetooth.h, how can i get those to meego? | 13:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | sbalazs: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/yum-search-file-781427/ | 13:29 |
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| krypton | Maemo had a good set of LBS | 13:34 |
| krypton | they would work natively on MeeGo right | 13:34 |
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| thiago_akademy | LBS? | 13:40 |
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| lcuk | krypton, do you mean linux benchmarks? | 13:41 |
| krypton | no I meant location based services | 13:42 |
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| lcuk | krypton, that clarification would have helped! | 13:42 |
| lcuk | which meego do you mean | 13:43 |
| lcuk | netbook or handheld or something else | 13:43 |
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| amjad | lcuk: LBS is for handheld, something to use for travel apps | 13:53 |
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| lcuk | amjad, thats deviceist though :P im sure there are netbooks and bigger devices with gps built in | 13:54 |
| krypton | netbook | 13:54 |
| krypton | sorry I meant for handheld UX | 13:54 |
| krypton | since its not out I cant check it | 13:55 |
| krypton | any insight would be helpful | 13:55 |
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| lcuk | krypton, tthe qt sdk includes simulator for this sort of thing afaik - i believe it can send fake gps signals into your app to test it | 13:57 |
| krypton | yes | 13:57 |
| krypton | geo * calls can do that | 13:58 |
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| mipohjan | q | 15:08 |
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| sbalazs | is there anybody who managed to build qt mob 1.0.0 like http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-June/003474.html? | 15:18 |
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| kuldeep | hi all | 15:39 |
| kuldeep | i am new to meego | 15:39 |
| lcuk | i see meego IVI car image is there, with yet another desktop - does this mean that xfce is part of meego? | 15:40 |
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| kuldeep | from where i can get the basic tutorial about meego. | 15:41 |
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| * timeless frowns | 15:43 | |
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| timeless | tekojo ran away for a vacation | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | like most finns | 15:43 |
| lcuk | yes timeless - in his cottage or something equally finnish | 15:43 |
| lcuk | and i dont blame him, weather is sounding amazing | 15:44 |
| amjad | ok americans (read intel folks) will be back today after long weekend :) | 15:44 |
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| timeless | or something | 15:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | amjad: some of us Americans are unfortunate to have the wrong employers | 16:07 |
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| lcuk | heh w00t_ what i was saying at tsg meeting about automated tests: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/07/06/doh/ pleased it was caught | 17:23 |
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| Stskeeps | mornin DawnFoster | 17:46 |
| DawnFoster | morning stskeeps | 17:46 |
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| lcuk | morning DawnFoster \o | 17:48 |
| DawnFoster | morning lcuk | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: are you done with metrics yet? i have time to run irc stats if they're not :) | 17:49 |
| DawnFoster | I'm still working on the metrics. | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | alright, i'll go make a run then | 17:49 |
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| DawnFoster | we had a 3 day weekend here, so I'm still digging out of email. | 17:50 |
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| w00t_ | lcuk: unfortunately, that one didn't get caught by automated testing :/ which is a shame | 17:50 |
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| DawnFoster | w00t also ran a copy of the IRC stats on his server | 17:50 |
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| DawnFoster | hey w00t_ | 17:50 |
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| lcuk | w00t_, its always the way ! like i said in the meeting ;) | 17:51 |
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| w00t_ | Stskeeps: i already ran a copy of stats, since didn't know when you were going to be around at the time :-) | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | w00t_: ah, fair enough | 17:51 |
| DawnFoster | I think the time zone was different, so it makes some of it difficult to compare | 17:51 |
| w00t_ | ah | 17:51 |
| w00t_ | perhaps you should still run yours then, Stskeeps | 17:51 |
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| Stskeeps | am doing | 17:51 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, i see the IVI in car system came online and joined meego | 17:52 |
| DawnFoster | w00t_: looks like you guys had a great meeting yesterday! I was just catching up on the notes | 17:52 |
| w00t_ | DawnFoster: a better reception than I expected :) | 17:52 |
| DawnFoster | w00t_: That's how you know you're doing something that really needed to be done :) | 17:53 |
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| w00t_ | how was your weekend btw? | 17:53 |
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| DawnFoster | the weekend was great. Hung out with friends and was pretty lazy - which I needed | 17:54 |
| DawnFoster | spent a lot of time reading and lounging around, which was awesome | 17:54 |
| * Stskeeps is happy and refreshed after a week in the sun as well | 17:54 | |
| Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/data/irssistats-june.html -> DawnFoster | 17:54 |
| DawnFoster | stskeeps: how was your holiday? | 17:55 |
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| Stskeeps | was great, a lot of great music, sun and beer | 17:55 |
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| Stskeeps | even though i did have to pop a bit on to check how handset day one was happening :P | 17:55 |
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| w00t_ | Stskeeps: one thing i have which you might find helpful.. i did a lot of nick mapping | 17:57 |
| * w00t_ finds | 17:57 | |
| Stskeeps | we should probably start setting up a wiki page with how to implement 'official' irc stuff | 17:57 |
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| w00t_ | i thought we were waiting on hardware for that? (but yes, agreed) | 17:58 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: oh, I ran #meego-arm too | 17:58 |
| w00t_ | not sure if you want to do that or not | 17:58 |
| DawnFoster | I also think we need to look at the IRC channels and consolidate a bit. | 17:58 |
| DawnFoster | lots of overlap right now between meego, meego-arm and meego-dev | 17:59 |
| DawnFoster | people don't know what to post in which channel | 17:59 |
| amjad | exactly | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | that is true, but on the other hand, meego-arm is for work | 17:59 |
| DawnFoster | but random people post user questions there, too | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | meego-dev isn't an official channel to my knowledge? | 17:59 |
| DawnFoster | lbt and others have started to use it for work | 18:00 |
| DawnFoster | (meego-dev) | 18:00 |
| lbt | mmm | 18:00 |
| DawnFoster | I'd like to get rid of meego-arm & meego-dev and replace them with meego-work | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: i personally think it's a bad idea and may cause us to revert back to internal jabber, which is the last thing we should be doing. | 18:00 |
| sbalazs | cd /join #meego-dev | 18:01 |
| lbt | *nod* actually we've been on jabber today.... *bad* team ! | 18:01 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: what do you think? It seems like people have been posting a lot of random dev questions in your work channel | 18:01 |
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| amjad | any plans to make registration manadatory for joining meego channels?? | 18:01 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: I think it's been working ... but we've been the only ones in it at the time | 18:01 |
| DawnFoster | and it seems like people post a lot of random user questions to meego-arm, too | 18:01 |
| Termana | amjad, I think thats a bad idea, at least for the main #meego channel. Maybe for the work channels | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: a work channel makes it possible to actually follow the traffic in a channel and catch up. multiple topics unrelated will cause people to not be able to track, lesson learned from #meego | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | er, #maemo | 18:02 |
| lbt | I'm happy to kick^H^H^H^ politely point people to #meego though | 18:02 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: that is what is being proposed: #meego-work | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | w00t_: that will get cluttered with a lot of irrelevant talk. | 18:02 |
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| Stskeeps | at least 95% of our topics revolve around ARM. | 18:03 |
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| X-Fade | In one year time we have 1000 people working on something, you really don't want them all in one channel ;) | 18:04 |
| X-Fade | Number purely fictional though.. | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | moving into the open should not be a bother, people should be able to do their work. in a big channel it will be difficult to point out who's good as potential new team members. | 18:04 |
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| * lbt is having a *skype* chat atm about meego... <sigh> | 18:05 | |
| DawnFoster | stskeeps: on day one the arm channel was flooded with user questions | 18:05 |
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| lbt | anaZ: ... on here? | 18:05 |
| amjad | Termana: when android irc came up, it was open but once G1 was released #android required registration, so within one year when number of meego users will increase and most of these are new to linux | 18:05 |
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| X-Fade | DawnFoster: I idle there all day, it really isn't an issue. | 18:05 |
| DawnFoster | I just think there has to be some better way to handle the IRC channels. | 18:06 |
| w00t_ | amjad: cross that bridge when it happens, no need to jump the gun | 18:06 |
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| X-Fade | DawnFoster: With lots of people and lost of subjects, you just can't share one channel. | 18:06 |
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| DawnFoster | X-Fade agreed | 18:06 |
| Termana | amjad, so what your saying is that we should require registration so that we push away people who are new and have questions? (in the main meego channel) | 18:07 |
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| DawnFoster | I'm just trying to find a way to better consolidate the user questions and keep them out of the work channels | 18:07 |
| X-Fade | DawnFoster: Just point them to #meego. | 18:07 |
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| X-Fade | DawnFoster: And people will point them onwards. | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: user questions go to #meego or forums | 18:07 |
| DawnFoster | stskeeps / X-Fade: agreed | 18:07 |
| amjad | no, i am saying we have forums are newbies, irc channel should be for those who have basic knowledge of linux,irc | 18:07 |
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| w00t_ | amjad: I'd really rather we not start a caste system. | 18:08 |
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| DawnFoster | but I've been monitoring all 3 channels, and that isn't happening in practice | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: if we're going to consolidate, we need the 'active' groups like release engineering and so on to sit and talk in public. | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | thing is really that a channel of our own for arm for instance, builds community feel. | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | and allows people to join in easily, without having to fight through a lot of other discussions | 18:09 |
| DawnFoster | I also worry about fragmentation / bloat - will every team want their own IRC channel? | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | why shouldn't they though? it is a common pattern in many companies. | 18:10 |
| X-Fade | DawnFoster: Fragmentation is good. | 18:10 |
| Termana | I think if you consolidate the work channels, your going to get overlapping discussions that can't be followed | 18:10 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: what exactly are you using meego-dev for? | 18:10 |
| X-Fade | As long as there is an index. | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | the important thing is that people know where to go. | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | ie, listings, logs | 18:10 |
| w00t_ | infrastructure | 18:10 |
| DawnFoster | fragmentation isn't good from a community standpoint | 18:10 |
| DawnFoster | or I should say too much fragmentation too early isn't good | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | except it isn't fragmentation, just like floors in a building isn't :) | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | This project is targetting more people than your avarage project though. | 18:11 |
| DawnFoster | things will naturally start to fragment later | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | DawnFoster: MeeGo has multiple interests. Even UX will separate groups. | 18:11 |
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| X-Fade | That is not a bad thing. | 18:11 |
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| DawnFoster | if too much gets fragmented early, it looks like nothing is happening. People go to meego-dev outside of Nokia working hours and assume that no one is working on meego-dev, since they don't see any activity | 18:12 |
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| Stskeeps | it does look in general like nothing is happening because not many people are working in the open. end of story. | 18:12 |
| X-Fade | DawnFoster: Encourage your teams to work outside. | 18:12 |
| DawnFoster | X-Fade: I agree that not everything can be lumped together. I'm trying to make sure that the right things are separate and that we don't separate things too early | 18:13 |
| X-Fade | DawnFoster: I don't see a lot of intel work being done in the open? | 18:13 |
| w00t_ | X-Fade: I don't think a pissing contest is really helpful | 18:13 |
| DawnFoster | The intel work is being done mostly on the mailing lists and in bugzilla. | 18:13 |
| X-Fade | w00t_: No, but lead by example is important here. | 18:13 |
| Termana | What about if we had an eggdrop (or similar IRC bot) that relays everything that's happening in the separate dev channels into one channel? | 18:13 |
| X-Fade | That is what I wanted to point out. I would win the contest anyway ;) | 18:13 |
| Termana | That would consolidate the talk between the channels. You could also have it as a double relay between certain related channels if needed/wanted. | 18:15 |
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| DawnFoster | lbt: I would still like to know which team is using meego-dev and what you are working on. | 18:16 |
| X-Fade | For teams working together a real-time medium is needed. | 18:16 |
| * lbt is in a meeting right now.... be back RSN | 18:16 | |
| DawnFoster | x-Fade: that only works when all of the teams are in the same time zone | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | backlog even helps a lot in that regard | 18:16 |
| X-Fade | They don't use forums or mailinglists for most of that, they use the coffeemachine talks. | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | if you can read a backlog in 3 minutes, you are up to date | 18:16 |
| DawnFoster | Intel teams are spread out all over the work with big offices in the US, London, Beijing | 18:16 |
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| X-Fade | DawnFoster: That is what page-up is for. | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: can i draw an analogue to mailing lists consolidation? there was a lot of teams wanting mailing lists, got pointed to the common lists, .. they vanished as teams instead of showing up on mailing lists, i would say | 18:17 |
| tripzero | DawnFoster, is obs ever going to be public? (or is it already?) | 18:17 |
| DawnFoster | I wasn't logged into meego-dev over the holiday weekend and the logs aren't posted in the topic | 18:17 |
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| Stskeeps | (some still broke through, so i might be generalising) | 18:17 |
| DawnFoster | X-Fade: please treat me with a tiny bit of respect. | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | i think we need to describe what purpose each channel has | 18:18 |
| DawnFoster | if someone can point me to the mythical meego-dev logs, I'm happy to read them | 18:18 |
| X-Fade | DawnFoster: I'm sorry if you feel offended, this is again a 'Can't see the face' issue. | 18:18 |
| * Stskeeps doesn't log #meego-dev | 18:18 | |
| DawnFoster | exactly | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | technically we/you (CO) control #meego namespace. | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | as in, #meego-whatever | 18:19 |
| DawnFoster | and the topic descriptions don't make it easy for common community members to know what each channel is being used for | 18:19 |
| lcuk | god im glad the OS wasnt called #c something | 18:19 |
| tripzero | c#? | 18:19 |
| lcuk | well Stskeeps saying we control namespace under #meego | 18:20 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: yeah, I am an admin for the namespace, but I'm trying to get a sense for how people are using things before I make any changes | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:20 |
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| * tripzero thinks there should be ux specific channels, ie #meego-handset | 18:21 | |
| DawnFoster | I don't want to do something unnatural, which is why we're having this discussion now :) | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | w00t_: is it possible to get a list of all registered channels underneath #meego? | 18:21 |
| w00t_ | yes | 18:21 |
| w00t_ | /msg alis list #meego* | 18:21 |
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| w00t_ | tripzero: in the future, if there's people working on them and lots of discussion/work specifically on them, I'd agree.. but so far I haven't seen that | 18:23 |
| w00t_ | so you'd create them and have them with few people and confused newcomers asking how to get images working (better suited for #meego really) and getting no response | 18:23 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: my last counterargument (before i start being constructive) against consolidation is that work has grown in smaller channels, people gotten to know eachother based on a common topic, while this channel has turned mostly quiet, even given the large consolidation of topics re meego and plenty of work going on. now, how do we move on regarding this topic? i propose we write up a wiki, note some people who's handling IRC ... | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | ... matters, get channels under CO control (as intended), policies for logging, who handles what.. | 18:25 |
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| Stskeeps | i'll be adding you to meego-arm access list | 18:26 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: our team does this stuff: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-infrastructure-tools on #meego-dev | 18:26 |
| lbt | we're *starting* to use it ... but still go back to jabber by habit from time-to-time | 18:27 |
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| w00t_ | Stskeeps: get information and policies to make informed decisions, you mean | 18:28 |
| DawnFoster | stskeeps: we don't need to make any big changes right now until I get a better feel for what's working / not working | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | we've effectively emptied our internal jabber, which i'm immensely happy about | 18:28 |
| DawnFoster | stskeeps: and we can't really change the logs and other infrastructure until we move the servers to OSU-OSL | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:28 |
| w00t_ | speaking of: what is going on there? | 18:28 |
| lbt | yeah, we have to have scrum calls on there as it includes internal work too | 18:28 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: so, based on what you are using it for, meego-dev might not be the right name for it? | 18:29 |
| w00t_ | honestly, I'm starting to think that I could grow old and die before hardware gets set up | 18:29 |
| lbt | no, I wanted #meego-infra iirc | 18:29 |
| lcuk | AWESOME!!!! n900 skins http://www.istyles.com/nokia-nokia-n900-c-292_567_700.html | 18:29 |
| lbt | w00t_: yeah.... | 18:29 |
| lbt | tell me about it | 18:29 |
| DawnFoster | w00t_ yeah, I know | 18:30 |
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| brumla | is it possible to disable the visual effects in the meego on the netbook? | 18:31 |
| lbt | w00t_: the US have those really complex mains plugs.... very hard to use... | 18:31 |
| DawnFoster | the problem is that most of the stuff is hosted right now on Intel servers and we are only allowed to give Intel employees access to them | 18:31 |
| w00t_ | brumla: short of replacing the UI, I doubt it - though I haven't actually tried. :) | 18:31 |
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| DawnFoster | so it's more about getting things off the other servers | 18:31 |
| DawnFoster | when we get them to OSU-OSL we'll be able to get more people helping | 18:31 |
| w00t_ | okay | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: just for good measure, when i argue things it's because i care about making the project great. no matter what, at the end of the day, i think you're doing an immensely cool and good job at herding the community, even when we can be rather loud at times :) and thank you for doing that at times unthankful work. | 18:32 |
| lbt | LF foundation employee copies to floppy, hands floppy to Intel employee | 18:32 |
| w00t_ | and what is going on with getting hardware to OSUOSL? | 18:32 |
| brumla | w00t_: i don't want to replace it, for me is enough to disable the zoom effects when witching between apps | 18:32 |
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| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: I appreciate it. Everything you've said has been really constructive and helpful, so I appreciate it | 18:32 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: shall you and I nut heads later on and try get some information set up on the wiki? | 18:33 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: I think I've even changed my mind about combining things :) | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | which reminds me i need to ask where the registration/conference paper submission went.. | 18:33 |
| lbt | tripzero: OBS public-ness depends on release of OBS 2.1 ... and then, AFAIUI it will be read only | 18:33 |
| CosmoHill | "Neo-banning. Banning you before you've even spammed!" | 18:33 |
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| lbt | tripzero: the community OBS is another matter :) | 18:33 |
| CosmoHill | hehehe | 18:33 |
| DawnFoster | I think maybe we should focus on having a small number of appropriately named channels with better descriptions of how they're being used in the topics | 18:33 |
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| CosmoHill | I hope the forum owner doesn't get annoyed at me for that | 18:34 |
| lbt | tripzero: and guess what .... I'm waiting for HW at OSU | 18:34 |
| DawnFoster | stskeeps: I think we're just waiting to finish the proposal / registration system & then we'll open it up for people to submit | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:35 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, july 15h | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | th | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | forgot it was in the CFP | 18:35 |
| DawnFoster | We contracted with a company to build the proposal system, and they're making good progress - not sure if we'll make the 15th, tho | 18:35 |
| DawnFoster | no later than Aug 1 for sure, earlier if we can | 18:35 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, what did the proposal company use to make proposals? | 18:36 |
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| DawnFoster | lcuk: ha ha | 18:36 |
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| * lbt notes almost zero discussion on things like OSU hosting happening on irc | 18:36 | |
| lcuk | and was this proposal tender open to all | 18:36 |
| lbt | or mailing lists | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: #osuosl? ;) | 18:37 |
| lcuk | maybe they happened in the bugzilla | 18:37 |
| lbt | heh | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | mm, hoping for 15th, 23 days for opening to closing sounds very little | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | but then again it will be a busy time with reviewing things anyway :) | 18:37 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: we went with a company that has a drupal app for conference registration / proposals. They just need to make some tweaks to it to get it working with our single sign on, etc. | 18:37 |
| * lcuk has a proposal to make for that date too | 18:38 | |
| lcuk | err mines 16th i think | 18:38 |
| lcuk | cool DawnFoster | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if i have anything cool to talk about, heh | 18:38 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: N810? | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | ah, true | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | last year at maemo summit it was mer, but if i have anything remotely interesting to talk about that wouldn't be covered by a talk by harri :) | 18:39 |
| * lbt recalls "Faith No More" track.... | 18:39 | |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, since the IVI instance is on meego now and includes alternative desktop XFCE does that mean that XFCE can be used as desktop for any meego instance (ie for users who want a low power desktop WM on their netbook) ? | 18:50 |
| lcuk | or is that a specific addition only to be available on the IVI | 18:51 |
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| w00t_ | lcuk: pretty sure it's available everywhere.. handset used it for a while I think | 18:54 |
| lcuk | handset has only existed for a week! | 18:54 |
| w00t_ | no, the handset UX has only existed for a week | 18:55 |
| w00t_ | handset images with an xterm have been available since march | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | xfce4, you mean | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:55 |
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| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: maybe lcuk likes the first version | 18:56 |
| * lcuk is just reading the mailing list | 18:56 | |
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| * timeless got decent service again | 19:49 | |
| CosmoHill | :) | 19:49 |
| timeless | these American companies are ruining it for the rest of the world | 19:49 |
| timeless | setting unreasonable expectations of service and stuff | 19:49 |
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| sriram | Hi, anyone know how applications can be added to the "MyZone" view in Meego netbook panels? | 20:06 |
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| DawnFoster | sriram: http://help.meego.com/netbook/applications/mark-application-favorite | 20:49 |
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| DawnFoster | I have a question for application developers. | 20:49 |
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| DawnFoster | what would you think of a website for application developers with this navigation: Explore, experience, build, share, download? | 20:50 |
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| DawnFoster | honest feedback is appreciated. I can give you my feedback after I get some other opinions :) | 20:51 |
| eags | Hello, so is meego currently using qt or clutter for its interface? | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: initial impression is order is wrong - application developers want to learn, build, test, share, users want to explore, experience, download and perhaps as power users test | 20:53 |
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| pcutler | Stskeeps: I agree. Unless "Explore" is explore the APIs and tools available | 20:53 |
| DawnFoster | the site is not for users, just app developers, like http://developer.android.com for example | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:54 |
| bpeel | eags: the meego netbook UX is using Clutter and as far as I know everything else is using Qt | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | i'm thinking two sides of the process - left hand is for developers, right hand is for users, together they create a quality product over time, with the cheesy meego figures in the middle ;) | 20:54 |
| lcuk | what is IVI using? | 20:54 |
| DawnFoster | would you expect an application developer site to have navigation like learn, build, test, share or something else? | 20:55 |
| DawnFoster | what you expect to see on developers.meego.com, for example? | 20:55 |
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| DawnFoster | and I didn't come up with it, so you can't hurt my feelings :) | 20:56 |
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| lcuk | maemo bug filed https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10882 : libmeegotouch-dev has missing dependencies. blocker to building the meego applications on maemo | 20:58 |
| povbot | Bug 10882: libmeegotouch-dev has missing dependencies | 20:58 |
| lcuk | bug 1234 | 20:58 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, tough question | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | DawnFoster: "learn, feel, share" is a bunch of marketing crap imho | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | i want to see actual documentation, don't care what the site looks like | 21:00 |
| lcuk | does meegotouch work on the netbook UX? | 21:00 |
| DawnFoster | do people agree with ali1234? | 21:00 |
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| ali1234 | DawnFoster: people rarely agree with me :) | 21:00 |
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| DawnFoster | I'm looking for brutally honest feedback | 21:00 |
| lcuk | ali1234, content is always more important than layout - though with good layout the content becomes pleasurable | 21:01 |
| ali1234 | i want to see "how to set up the SDK", "how to use OBS", "best practices for creating cross platform symbian/meego development", "how to port an existing app to meego" | 21:01 |
| DawnFoster | cosmohill, stskeeps, w00t - other thoughts? | 21:02 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm mostly on same page as ali1234 | 21:02 |
| CosmoHill | why wasn't I told I was meant to be paying attention | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | ready at hand information on typical 'top' topics of developer problems | 21:02 |
| amjad | i agree with ali1234, | 21:03 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: sounds good | 21:03 |
| trip0 | lcuk, meegotouch should work on the netbook ux | 21:03 |
| CosmoHill | but whilst you might not care what the site looks like it is helpful if you can navigate it | 21:03 |
| trip0 | i dont' think it's in the netbook repo though... i'll have to check when i get home | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | from A to Z, basically, top is for the basic developer, then you delve into topics.. | 21:03 |
| lcuk | trip0, thats a bit odd then | 21:03 |
| trip0 | why? | 21:03 |
| lcuk | if its NOT there, it means people cannot take app developed for handheld | 21:03 |
| lcuk | and use it on netbook | 21:03 |
| eags | bpeel, what is the toolkit being used on top of clutter for that? I definitely echo what some people are saying about how it is hard to get a good picture of the apis and technologies available | 21:04 |
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| CosmoHill | my current position would be newbie i think | 21:04 |
| trip0 | lcuk, use handheld apps on netbook? | 21:04 |
| lcuk | trip0, for "meego" to be umbrella spec thts a bit odd | 21:04 |
| lcuk | yes | 21:04 |
| lcuk | hwy not | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | and a very central and good search | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:04 |
| lcuk | its hard to squash a bit app down into handheld | 21:04 |
| bpeel | eags: mx is used on the netbook | 21:04 |
| lcuk | but nothing says i cant run many smaller apps on a big screen | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | you know what is the most useful page on all of maemo.org? http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba | 21:05 |
| trip0 | true... although, it wouldn't quite feel right | 21:05 |
| trip0 | unless your netbook had a touchscreen | 21:05 |
| ali1234 | there is more useful content on that page than the whole of the rest of the site put together | 21:05 |
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| lcuk | trip0,its entirely feasible both with and without | 21:05 |
| lcuk | w00t_, facebrick is developed in qt and works on n900 and desktop doesnt it | 21:05 |
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| trip0 | lcuk, feasible, yes, but it would get annoying to me to use a netbook without a touchscreen with touchscreen apps | 21:06 |
| lcuk | trip0, of course not every app is suited | 21:06 |
| trip0 | for one, meegotoucch apps done use keyboard shortcuts | 21:06 |
| trip0 | and secondly, mtf apps dont respond to the scroll wheel at all | 21:07 |
| lcuk | what about someone making neverball work on handheld | 21:07 |
| lcuk | trip0, those arent blockers, they are niggles | 21:07 |
| trip0 | ...two things that make using mtf on netbook annoying for me | 21:07 |
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| trip0 | lcuk, agreed | 21:07 |
| lcuk | there is no reason for it to be blocked | 21:07 |
| trip0 | agreed | 21:07 |
| eags | both on the qt and clutter side, I'm having a hard time finding documentation on the touch input apis. | 21:07 |
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| trip0 | eags, touch input? | 21:08 |
| lcuk | eags, most touch screens direct input in and appear as mouse events | 21:08 |
| trip0 | qt also has gestures | 21:08 |
| lcuk | you can get the raw uncalibrated values | 21:08 |
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| lcuk | but usually its simpler to just use mouse | 21:08 |
| trip0 | yep | 21:08 |
| lcuk | trip0, i know a gesture i sometimes want to use at gesture enabled apps | 21:08 |
| eags | right but there is clutter-gesture and meegotouch for multitouch and gestures like flick, long touch, etc | 21:08 |
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| trip0 | eags, it's all in the qt-docs for qt apps that use gestures | 21:09 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: do you happen to know what a 'PXT' is? | 21:13 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: yes | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | (i've seen it referred in http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-packaging/2010-July/000377.html ) | 21:14 |
| w00t_ | DawnFoster: it seems a bit touchy feely.. | 21:14 |
| lcuk | for handheld ux thats expected | 21:14 |
| w00t_ | developery types (at least, those already into developing) aren't really going to appreciate that approach i'd think, but beginners (or those *in charge* of developers) maybe | 21:14 |
| w00t_ | so it depends on focus :) | 21:14 |
| timeless | NEC intros three plasmas, 1080p PXT-50FHDP1 included -- Engadget HD | 21:15 |
| timeless | 12 Oct 2008 ... Starting things off is the PXT-50FHDP1, a 50-inch 1080p plasma that packs a 100Hz refresh .... Meego's sexy smartphone UI goes on display ... | 21:15 |
| timeless | ? | 21:15 |
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| Stskeeps | wouldn't be a bad idea | 21:15 |
| lcuk | 50inch smartphones! | 21:15 |
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| * microlith gets his forklift ready! | 21:15 | |
| lcuk | side talking - with the whole damn taco stand | 21:16 |
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| DawnFoster | stskeeps: it's an Intel term for product execution team | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 21:22 |
| CosmoHill | execution you say? | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | one for the meego dictionary then i guess | 21:23 |
| CosmoHill | who's being executed? | 21:23 |
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| DawnFoster | cosmohill: we can't tell you ;) | 21:23 |
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| Stskeeps | so 'a core PXT' would mean team meetings in core product execution team | 21:23 |
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| microlith | mmm, intel acronyms | 21:24 |
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| timeless | alphabet soup | 21:24 |
| ali1234 | speaking of intel, here is a good developer page from intel: http://intellinuxgraphics.org/ | 21:24 |
| timeless | plesae say there's a table of soupy alphabet bits on meego | 21:24 |
| microlith | hold on while I list all my ARs on an OSIR | 21:24 |
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| timeless | dawn: fwiw, if you add a line to /etc/hosts, you can test mxr today | 21:25 |
| timeless | it should only show the meego content :) | 21:25 |
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| DawnFoster | timeless: what server does this run on now? | 21:28 |
| DawnFoster | one of yours? or MeeGo project owned? | 21:28 |
| * krypton off to the first semifinal #Fifa 2010 | 21:28 | |
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| timeless | it's an ec2 cloud machine provided by jebba | 21:29 |
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| timeless | mxr.maemo.org is a dreamhost machine provided by a mozillan | 21:29 |
| DawnFoster | we're trying to get everything consolidated onto the osu servers rather than using dns to point to a bunch of different servers | 21:29 |
| timeless | well, the osu people are friendly | 21:30 |
| timeless | i don't mind moving | 21:30 |
| timeless | but i don't like being too reliant on stuff i can't manage | 21:30 |
| DawnFoster | timeless: that would be great if we could just get it installed on one of tero's servers | 21:30 |
| timeless | the maemo.org infrastructure as been terribly unreliable | 21:30 |
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| timeless | whereas just a cname to dreamhost has been stable for years | 21:30 |
| CosmoHill | dreamhost you say | 21:31 |
| DawnFoster | yeah, we're trying to get everything on the same servers so that we can administer them without having to track down whoever owns the servers | 21:31 |
| CosmoHill | I know someone who works there | 21:31 |
| w00t_ | centralised infra is good, provided it's good centralised infra | 21:31 |
| w00t_ | it being OSU I have high hopes | 21:31 |
| * timeless shrugs | 21:31 | |
| DawnFoster | the osu osl guys are solid | 21:31 |
| timeless | yeah, w/ osu as the host, i'm much less concerned | 21:32 |
| DawnFoster | it's where a bunch of the big open source projects are hosted (kernel.org mirrors, drupal.org, etc.) | 21:32 |
| timeless | whereas people familiar w/ maemo's experience should be able to confirm my general worries | 21:32 |
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| CosmoHill | infra? sounds like networking a cluster would use | 21:34 |
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| w00t_ | timeless: though it has been a lot less flaky in recent months | 21:34 |
| timeless | w00t_: 2? | 21:34 |
| timeless | i think it last flaked w/ the release of pr1.2 :) | 21:35 |
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| w00t_ | timeless: I haven't been counting, but the only thing I've really noticed as flaking has been talk.maemo.org, which is hosted seperately from the main site | 21:35 |
| w00t_ | did it? | 21:35 |
| * w00t_ didn't notice | 21:35 | |
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| timeless | iirc it did | 21:36 |
| timeless | although it's really hard to tell because of the quirky way nokia does distribution | 21:36 |
| ali1234 | i wish nokia would get SSO working across all its sites. this week i tried out the ovi appwizard beta. had to make separate accounts for ovi store, ovi music, the appwizard itself, and another one to get into the nokia support forums | 21:38 |
| * timeless chuckles | 21:38 | |
| ali1234 | and i'm pretty sure i'm going to have to make another one when i publish the app | 21:38 |
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| ali1234 | then i have 3 or 4 accounts related to maemo.org. it would be nice if i don't have to make another 3 or 4 for meego | 21:39 |
| timeless | Tue Jul 6 19:07:55 JST 2010 | 21:39 |
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| timeless | Wed Jul 7 03:26:41 JST 2010 | 21:39 |
| timeless | indexing isn't cheap :/ | 21:39 |
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| DawnFoster | stskeeps: I think the site where we log irc might be down? http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/ | 21:41 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 21:41 |
| w00t_ | (centralised infra..) | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | looks down to me too yes | 21:41 |
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| Stskeeps | (not my infra) | 21:42 |
| DawnFoster | (this is one of those things we want to move to OSU) :) | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 21:42 |
| w00t_ | DawnFoster: isn't it nearly time for the CO meeting by the way? | 21:42 |
| DawnFoster | anyone know who is belongs to? | 21:42 |
| DawnFoster | w00t_: yep - 18 minutes | 21:42 |
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| w00t_ | yay! I got the right day :) | 21:42 |
| timeless | dawn: that's a shared resource | 21:42 |
| ali1234 | at a guess, same person who runs povbot? | 21:43 |
| DawnFoster | more specifically, anyone know who can bring it back up :) | 21:43 |
| timeless | http://web.archive.org/web/20080510164310/mg.pov.lt/ | 21:43 |
| timeless | Marius Gedminas | 21:43 |
| timeless | dawn: personally, i'd rather have the service up and running | 21:45 |
| timeless | and have someone actually work with me to get it transitioned | 21:45 |
| timeless | than wait for it not to happen | 21:45 |
| timeless | i do not like waiting | 21:45 |
| timeless | i'm timeless, but that doesn't mean i'm infinitely patient | 21:45 |
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| DawnFoster | timeless: we'll need to talk to Mike & Tero about how urgently this is needed vs. the effort required to migrate it later | 21:46 |
| timeless | he's on vacation for a month | 21:46 |
| timeless | (tero) | 21:46 |
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| timeless | and the request was made months ago | 21:46 |
| timeless | but roughly, mxr's are very portable | 21:46 |
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| timeless | (note: i'm starving, and it's nearly 10pm which cuts down on my food options) | 21:47 |
| timeless | it's roughly an rsync | 21:47 |
| timeless | the vm i'm using is centos5.5 | 21:47 |
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| timeless | which is a fairly standard thing | 21:47 |
| DawnFoster | thanks - I'm emailing marius | 21:47 |
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| DawnFoster | I'm not saying no, but that we should chat with Mike about it | 21:48 |
| scott1__ | Is that possible can I hook Qprinter to MFC printing framework, I mean can I use Qprinter to win32 DC?? | 21:48 |
| timeless | scott: err, did you mean to use #qt? | 21:48 |
| DawnFoster | the migration project right now is getting huge, so we're trying not to add to much to it; however, if this is urgent and holding other things up, then we should look at doing it | 21:48 |
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| timeless | getting it into use generally helps adopters | 21:49 |
| timeless | and it makes it easier to do tutorial work and stuff | 21:49 |
| timeless | holding off tends to result in people not noticing/not using | 21:49 |
| DawnFoster | can you add some context to the bug report about why you think this is more urgently needed than waiting for the migration? | 21:49 |
| DawnFoster | (I'm not the one you need to convince) :) | 21:50 |
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| * timeless hunts dinner | 21:50 | |
| * lcuk uses mxr because it helps tracing code branches and hits around when looking to fix up bugs | 21:51 | |
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| timeless | lcuk: could you poke the bug ? :) | 21:51 |
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| lcuk | not everyone has all the source on their machines at once, and the cross reference is ideally suited :D which bug | 21:51 |
| DawnFoster | I just want to make sure we get everything in the bug report so that the right people can make a good decision | 21:53 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: btw did you download source.tar.bz2? | 21:53 |
| lcuk | no CosmoHill | 21:54 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, do you know which bug i cant see it | 21:54 |
| * lcuk is looking in scrollback but going blind | 21:54 | |
| CosmoHill | so you didn't see how awesome (ly bad) my programming is? | 21:54 |
| scott1__ | timless: Yes I mean to use Qt | 21:54 |
| DawnFoster | http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3709 | 21:55 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, downloading the code wont help to determine awesomeness unless it self built itself directly from the source archive including an optimising compiler and prelinking stage!! | 21:55 |
| lcuk | thanks DawnFoster \o | 21:55 |
| * CosmoHill blinks | 21:55 | |
| TSCHAKeee2 | so...are you suggesting that awesomeness is non-linear? | 21:56 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ;) | 21:56 |
| lcuk | do i need a new account for bugs.meego.com? | 21:56 |
| lcuk | or am i just being thick and not remembering my password | 21:57 |
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| DawnFoster | lcuk it's tied into the rest of the meego.com accounts | 21:58 |
| DawnFoster | should be the same account you use to log into the wiki, forums, etc | 21:58 |
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| lcuk | ahhh yes, no wonder i couldnt find it! i had to give it a silly password because of its rules | 21:59 |
| * lcuk copy pastes password | 21:59 | |
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| * CosmoHill waits for lcuk to accidently past it in the channel | 22:02 | |
| TSCHAKeee2 | the combination is.... | 22:02 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | 1....2.....3.....4.....5..... | 22:02 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | THAT'S THE SAME COMBINATION ON MY LUGGAGE! | 22:02 |
| lcuk | no, its worse than that | 22:03 |
| lcuk | i believe i ranted at the time, and its not worth it now | 22:03 |
| RST38h | 1111? | 22:03 |
| lcuk | suffice that everytime i need password i have to copy paste it | 22:03 |
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| lcuk | and the actual password is made up of not very nice words | 22:03 |
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| CosmoHill | "cough meego" | 22:04 |
| RST38h | lcuk: "my preciousss"? | 22:04 |
| lcuk | :D | 22:04 |
| lcuk | no CosmoHill meego the principle is sound :P | 22:05 |
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| DawnFoster | lcuk: it doesn't actually enforce the strong password, it just tells you that your password sucks. You can still use it :) | 22:06 |
| DawnFoster | not that I'm encouraging the use of weak, wimpy passwords. | 22:06 |
| CosmoHill | you're passwords must be strong and muscly | 22:07 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, i think at the time i couldnt continue | 22:07 |
| CosmoHill | like the senator of CA | 22:07 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: try to change it and see if it works | 22:08 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, correctomundo, thanks, it does let past | 22:15 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: it just chastises you first :) | 22:16 |
| lcuk | very muchly so DawnFoster! | 22:16 |
| lcuk | i do like the fact my copy paste password is shorter than my proper one | 22:16 |
| lcuk | but according to that its stronger | 22:16 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | Password Restriction: "Must also double as valid Malbolge code." | 22:17 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :P | 22:17 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | "Intercal and TECO macros also accepted." | 22:17 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :P | 22:18 |
| lcuk | WARNING: Meego passwords have been known to cause arthritis in 27 US states. | 22:18 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | must also include the character | 22:18 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ctrl-alt-delete | 22:18 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :P | 22:18 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | although in retrospect, i think the accidental null was funnier | 22:18 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :P | 22:19 |
| lcuk | 22:19 | |
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| DawnFoster | now, we'll see who can guess lcuk's password first | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | it's 'owmyfinger' | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | or 'ovi' | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:21 |
| RST38h | It is "bac0n". | 22:22 |
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| lcuk | nope, its still the one i set it to after last time | 22:22 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: hahahaha (@owmyfinger) | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: 'damnfinns'? | 22:23 |
| lcuk | mm certainly not | 22:24 |
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| lcuk | bacon sounds good tho | 22:25 |
| w00t_ | mmm bacon | 22:26 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | speaking of bacon | 22:29 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | http://www.skilletstreetfood.com/baconjam.htm | 22:29 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and who could forget, http://www.supersizedmeals.com/food/article.php/20060621040726451 | 22:30 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | or this, http://a.abcnews.com/images/Business/ap_kfc_double_down_100409_ssh.jpg :D | 22:32 |
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| timeless | would it be so hard for http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/ to redirect to http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office | 22:44 |
| timeless | (for all random wiki pages) | 22:44 |
| timeless | lcuk: finally a link i could click w/ my n900 screen irc session | 22:45 |
| lcuk | which timeless ? | 22:46 |
| timeless | yours in -meeting | 22:46 |
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| timeless | dawn's kept wrapping and getting split by a + | 22:46 |
| timeless | that bot's all got split | 22:46 |
| lcuk | lol | 22:47 |
| timeless | it's not easy to follow irc meetings while eating | 22:47 |
| timeless | esp w/ a couple of other channels running | 22:47 |
| timeless | i have about 15 lines of text | 22:48 |
| timeless | any smaller and i'd have to work too hard | 22:48 |
| timeless | (monospace 12 according to x terminal) | 22:48 |
| * timeless ples mrshaver | 22:49 | |
| * timeless pookes mrshaver | 22:49 | |
| * timeless pokes mrshaver | 22:50 | |
| timeless | tjird time's the charm? | 22:50 |
| timeless | gah, he isn't here | 22:50 |
| lcuk | lol | 22:51 |
| lcuk | timeless enjoy your food | 22:51 |
| lcuk | btw, i cant post anything on that mxr bug | 22:51 |
| DawnFoster | timeless: I'm guessing he ran off to lunch | 22:51 |
| lcuk | cos its about the domain and not its utility | 22:51 |
| * timeless considers looking forward in order to avoid running into scantily clad finns | 22:51 | |
| DawnFoster | enjoy your dinner & ping him in a few :) | 22:51 |
| timeless | ETOOLATE | 22:51 |
| timeless | dinner & a meeting | 22:52 |
| timeless | not quite the same as dinner & a movie, but oh well | 22:52 |
| timeless | (not much cheaper either) | 22:52 |
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| GalegO | Hi guys | 22:55 |
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| Stskeeps | hi | 22:55 |
| GalegO | A want to know about the project meego for the N900 :) | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | ask away | 22:56 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps ..! | 22:58 |
| lcuk | :FD | 22:58 |
| lcuk | :D | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | he left? well that's rude ;) | 22:59 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i must say :) i like your mail | 22:59 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 22:59 |
| lcuk | and yeah you scared Galeg0 away | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | a vacation did me well - a lot of angry energy gone :P | 23:00 |
| * timeless sighs | 23:01 | |
| * lcuk is camping this weekend | 23:01 | |
| * timeless kicks apache | 23:01 | |
| w00t_ | timeless: sup? | 23:01 |
| timeless | vhost instructions went bad | 23:01 |
| timeless | so apache did something really stupid (tm) | 23:01 |
| w00t_ | ah | 23:01 |
| w00t_ | I'm a bit used to that | 23:01 |
| timeless | i think it has file handles locked to directories | 23:02 |
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| Aard | anaZ: anything keeping latest telepathy-glib from being moved to trunk? | 23:48 |
| anaZ | Aard: in a few hours a whole lot is moving to Trunk | 23:50 |
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| Aard | great. that's needed for telepathy-ring | 23:51 |
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| anaZ | Aard: now that I have you here | 23:52 |
| anaZ | all my emails to you have been bouncing :) | 23:52 |
| Aard | welcome in my world :) | 23:52 |
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| anaZ | this is terrible | 23:52 |
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| lbt | hey Aard o/ anaZ | 23:53 |
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| Aard | apparently india has found something, so I guess I might be able to send you christmas greetings by mail :p | 23:53 |
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| anaZ | Aard: the messagingfw you submitted some time ago breaks few packages | 23:53 |
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| anaZ | it does not provide a .pc file like the previous one used to | 23:54 |
| Aard | breaking as in "breaks build" or "breaks when running"? | 23:54 |
| anaZ | build | 23:54 |
| Aard | it does, the version I submitted has qmake project files generating .pc files | 23:55 |
| Aard | so, the hack with pc-file-in-spec-generation is not needed anymore | 23:55 |
| anaZ | nothing provides pkgconfig(QtMessagingFramework) | 23:55 |
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| anaZ | ah | 23:56 |
| anaZ | Provides: pkgconfig(messageserver) = 1.0.0 pkgconfig(qtopiamail) = 1.0.0 | 23:56 |
| anaZ | thats what it provides now | 23:56 |
| anaZ | i like it better than QtMessagingFramework | 23:57 |
| Aard | yeah, it has two components | 23:57 |
| sivang | anaZ: this part of mobility ? (messaging framework) | 23:57 |
| anaZ | ok, then those packages needing it shall be adapted | 23:57 |
| Aard | that's been the way in nokia internally for quite a long time, but unfortunately the public messagingframework has been packaged by intel before we were able to release our sso-changes | 23:58 |
| thiago_akademy | QMF is not part of mobility | 23:59 |
| sivang | hey thiago_akademy , thanks for the note :) | 23:59 |
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