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CosmoHillhello clog01:14
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tremnite all, sweet dreams02:17
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CosmoHillone day I'll get him...02:19
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noname_hello in which languages can i develop an application for meego?03:01
CosmoHillQt03:03
ScottishDuckasm03:03
mod700CosmoHill, only Qt?03:03
CosmoHillI'm not sure but i think so03:04
noname_okay then c++ rite?03:04
CosmoHillyes03:04
ScottishDuckhaskell only03:04
noname_but i read something like it can be programmed in java and python also is it possible?03:04
ScottishDuck>java03:04
mod700would be cool with other bind languages, like PyQt03:05
brikyou can use python with qt03:07
CosmoHillhey brik03:07
brikhei CosmoHill :)03:07
mod700what languages I can use on meego?03:07
CosmoHillbrik: http://www.seapets.co.uk/gallery/858533-large.jpg < have a hamster in a car03:08
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briklol, aw03:08
chriadamguys... correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't MeeGo just a linux distribution with certain components provided by Nokia/Intel/the Community?  I would be... highly surprised if developers would be artificially limited to a particular programming language or toolkit.03:09
mod700chriadam, I agree with you03:10
chriadamobviously, there will be an officially supported development environment/development tools.  but if you want to develop an application in another language, and the tools are available on the platform, I don't see what would be stopping you...03:11
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mod700chriadam, The importance would be by question of you to develop an application, made using PyQt, being that PyQt is not officaly supported on meego. So, the users had to download all the libs to run your app.03:16
CosmoHilli should meattion that I just hang out in the channels03:17
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CosmoHillI'm not a developer or anything03:17
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ljpi thought meego was liited to objective-c only /me shrugs04:12
ljplimited04:12
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Robot101ljp: did you mean C++? :P04:13
Robot101ljp: or, not meego04:13
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ljpbeing silly04:23
ljpobjective-c++04:23
Robot101:)04:30
Robot101I wish I knew what my BeBox password was04:31
Robot101sigh04:31
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abhijeetHi Guys...09:44
abhijeetHow much you will rate Meego Mobile UI out of 10.09:44
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kniumy internet has been dying randomly.10:16
kniudefinitely not my router or the wireless, since I can always connect to 192.168.1.1 just fine.10:16
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abhijeetany comments guys10:36
abhijeetHow much you will rate Meego Mobile UI out of 10.10:36
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lpotterI dont think very many people have used that yet enough to rate it11:07
lpotterunless you mean for netbooks11:08
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dm8tbrwhich reminds me to debug why my handset image doesn't boot on my hardware11:20
timeless_mbpabhijeet: 0.111:21
abhijeetlpotter: yes you are correct..11:22
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abhijeetanyone want can check this screen shots: http://meego.com/devices/handset/handset-screenshots11:23
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* dm8tbr prefers his own device over screenshots and goes to fix the serial cable11:29
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thiago_akademydm8tbr: doesn't boot on mine either11:36
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lbtInteresting : http://thenextweb.com/apple/2010/07/04/app-store-hacked/11:42
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meegodotbywhat a bootloader meego?11:49
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meegodotbyi have installed meego in virtualbox11:52
meegodotbyalso i research section boot11:52
meegodotbyhere there in no habitual structure grub11:53
meegodotbyit is correct?11:53
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linuxcentosHi12:47
linuxcentosIs it possible to boot the Meego handset image on x86 pc with qemu?12:48
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amjadlinuxcentos: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=202&page=712:56
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* timeless_mbp wonders what the difference between linux-2.6.33 and kernel-2.6.33 is12:57
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timeless_mbphrm12:58
timeless_mbpone's there to be funny12:58
timeless_mbpcute12:58
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timeless_mbpanyone here familiar w/ the kernel bits of meego?13:03
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* w00t_ votes Stskeeps for personal amusement13:04
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timeless_mbpnomination accepted13:04
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Saziusamjad: that forum thread is about the netbook image though (?), linuxcentos' question was about handset image...13:05
SaziusI found this earlier, but requires you have an N900, so it doesn't work for me: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu13:08
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* dm8tbr runs his own kernel and this might be why this device acts funny13:11
* timeless_mbp grumbles13:12
* timeless_mbp has two directories which are similar in shape but annoyingly distinct13:12
dm8tbrmeh, I think I broke serial console :(13:12
dm8tbrtime to mount that image on the laptop13:13
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timeless_mbpStskeeps: can you explain why http://mxr.moego.org/repo.meego.com/source/linux-2.6.33/ and http://mxr.moego.org/repo.meego.com/source/kernel-2.6.33/linux-2.6.33/ both exist?13:14
w00t_(he's going to hate me)13:15
timeless_mbpafaiu, each top level entry in repo.meego.com is derived from a single package13:15
timeless_mbpwhich means there's a package <linux> and a package <kernel> both of which deliver similar, but distinct content13:15
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slaineam confused by valen turkovic's email there about meego on the eee 70113:49
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amjadi got meego handset image on qemu woooot14:14
amjadbut as usual X is borked14:16
diveamjad, closed or open source?14:16
amjadclosed one you need to have n900 and this one will help if you are n900 owner14:17
amjadhttp://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu14:17
diveyeah I know - I have closed working14:17
divecan't get te open source one to boot at all14:17
growlerout of interest, what stuff's closed?14:18
diveand it seems that you can't add more space to the closed source one to install much software for dev14:18
divegrowler, well I was refering to the nokia nand image14:19
Stskeepswhat image filenames? for 1.1 we dont use zNAND anymore14:20
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divemeego_qemu_nand.img14:21
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diveStskeeps, any clues on getting meego-n900-open-armv7l-1.0.0.20100525.1-sda.raw to boot?14:25
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lcukdive, you need a wizards hat, eye of newt, a lock of hair from an OSS developer and it must be stirred counterclockwise using a Nokia 770 stylus (original only)14:26
diveI've tried with it as -hda -boot c with the kernel meego-n900-open-armv7l-1.0.0.20100525.1-vmlinuz-2.6.33.3-11.2-n90014:27
divejust says cannot find bootable device or similar14:27
Stskeeps-mmc is more likely14:29
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Stskeepsand qflasher a kernel in14:30
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diveI thought qflasher was for flashing a n900?14:31
dive-mmc invalid option14:31
Stskeepsno, for flashing a nand file14:32
diveis meego-n900-open-armv7l-1.0.0.20100525.1-sda.raw a nand file then?14:33
diveI thought it was normal qemu file14:33
diveit does contain a kernel in /boot I've looked14:34
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hevauqis there a way to git clone entire meego repository14:39
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timeless_mbphevauq: meego isn't one source repository14:50
timeless_mbpso, no14:50
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timeless_mbpand meego isn't really one project, it's an umbrella14:50
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timeless_mbpso cloning it as you'd like to do isn't very practical14:51
timeless_mbpyou'd need a git-forest list of sorts14:51
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timeless_mbpi haven't found one14:51
hevauqok, say for example, i want to have all the packages for IVI distro(or whatever the right word is) for intel atom, what is best way to do that14:51
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timeless_mbpi've sorta built my own collection at mxr.moego.org/meego14:52
timeless_mbpbut mine isn't tuned to IVI14:52
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lcukwho own moego.org ?14:52
timeless_mbpjebba14:53
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timeless_mbpor at least, he has dns control :)14:53
timeless_mbpand he's alive, unlike dns control for meego.com14:53
* timeless_mbp grumbles14:53
timeless_mbpanyway, the alternative approach is mxr.moego.org/repo.moblin.org14:53
hevauqso, its like finding all the packages one by one and probably cloning them?14:53
timeless_mbpnamely, you setup a system which pulls the package sources from the repositories for a specific configuration14:54
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timeless_mbpthe /meego root is that, yes14:54
timeless_mbpthe alternative repo.* rots rely on yum(?) to figure things out14:54
timeless_mbpyum is slighlty more reliable, at the expense of losing (afaik) all info about VCS :(14:54
hevauqisn't zepper default for meego?14:55
hevauqs/zepper/zypper?14:55
timeless_mbpum, i'm not using meego to host meego sources14:55
timeless_mbpso it doesn't matter14:55
timeless_mbpi could be using wget or curl :)14:55
timeless_mbpyou pick a tool you know how to use :)14:55
* hevauq is more confused14:56
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timeless_mbprepo.meego.com is a collection of rpm repositories14:57
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timeless_mbpany tool which is capable of understanding rpm repositories will let you deal w/ the contents14:57
hevauqso basically i can use yum and sync repo with that14:57
timeless_mbpyup14:58
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timeless_mbplooks like i use curl directly14:58
hevauqthere are like builds on this site, are these automated builds?14:59
linuxcentosSazius: thanks. i tried to boot the handset image with qemu, but just hanging14:59
timeless_mbphttp://pastebin.mozilla.org/745487 :)14:59
timeless_mbpi haven't gotten to the point where cron just does the right thing ™, but hopefully15:00
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hevauqah a perl script.15:00
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timeless_mbpa perl script that generates a shell script iirc :)15:01
hevauqlol, that is more like it.15:01
timeless_mbpthe reason for this is so that i can pick up the process later15:02
timeless_mbpand work w/ a consistent set of data15:02
timeless_mbpwhereas if i had the perl script doing everything, i'd have to teach it more stuff for picking up in the middle15:02
* timeless_mbp will probably eventually teach it those bits, but...15:03
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* timeless_mbp is still trying to get the basics working … baby steps15:03
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hevauqlooks like a lot of work to me15:04
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meegodotbymeego a locale POSIX or UTF8?15:10
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dm8tbrgngngngn15:11
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* dm8tbr doesn't understand mic and or kickstart apparently - or I'm missing important bits of info15:11
dm8tbris anyone with armv7l knowledge around whom I could ask some questions about proper kickstart?15:14
w00t_I'd try to just ask and hope someone knows the answer ;)15:14
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dm8tbrw00t_: I'm about to paste the url to my ks. I hate meta questions too, utterly.15:15
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w00t_meegodotby: utf815:15
w00t_(same as pretty much everything nowdays I guess)15:16
meegodotbymmmmmm15:16
meegodotby1 i install meego in virtualbox15:16
dm8tbrhttp://pastebin.mozilla.org/745495 - this is my kickstart. it's a slightly adapted ia32 aava15:17
meegodotby2. reboot to RIPlinux and mount partition /15:17
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meegodotby3. edit /etc/inittab to 3 level15:17
meegodotby4. reboot meego15:17
meegodotbyand locale output -> POSIX?15:18
meegodotbyand where xorg.conf15:18
w00t_no idea, and there is no X configuration by default15:19
dm8tbrha! my mic2 built image currently doesn't even have init scripts for x :(15:21
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w00t_dm8tbr: what do you expect it to have? (I'll check against what I have locally perhaps)15:22
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dm8tbrw00t_: more than two scripts in /etc/rc5.d/15:22
* dm8tbr would check against an n900 image15:22
w00t_I have 715:22
dm8tbrbut I can't get the ks file for that15:22
w00t_(not an n900 image, though I would guess they have a lot in common)15:23
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vgradelbt, been away, need any help on the OBS15:29
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timeless_mbpok16:09
timeless_mbphttp://mxr.moego.org/repo.meego.com/ now has an index of <something>16:09
timeless_mbpplease note that it's stale, and i can't make any guarantees about quality / consistency16:09
timeless_mbp(or responsiveness)16:10
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meegodotbyMeeGo uses hal with Xorg?16:14
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meegodotbyand where hal package?16:24
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* timeless_mbp wonders why people ask questions and then run16:41
lcuktimeless_mbp, google mentality16:42
lcukpersonal army etc16:42
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timeless_mbpthiago_akademy: fwiw, http://mxr.moego.org/repo.meego.com now has some index17:29
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thiago_akademytimeless_mbp: nice17:37
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Max__Is there a way to custom build MeeGo for various devices? e.g. ARM11 based hardware?17:47
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slaineyes17:50
Max__Is there an easy to follow tutorial for not gurus?17:50
slaineYes17:50
Max__(I'm not a guru, but not a n00b either)17:50
Max__Where can I find this tutorial?17:51
slaineHave you looked for it ?17:51
Max__I have.17:51
Max__I found the forums, some useful and interesting stuff, but not what I'm looking for.17:51
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slainehttp://lmgtfy.com/?q=meego+image+creation17:52
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Max__Oh, silly me. I was looking for a howto.17:53
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fcocuadradoBTW if I would like to modify some sources and build a meego using them, could I do it with MIC?17:54
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slainefcocuadrado: no, mic only assembles the disk images17:56
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slainewhat you need to do is package up rpms which include your mods, host them in a local yum repo and include the repo in your kickstart file. Then running mic will pull in your packages from your local repo when making a new disk image17:57
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ali1234slaine: so is it possible yet to build everything from source?18:03
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slaineali1234: what do you mean, rebuild all the rpms ?18:03
ali1234yes, possibly for a totally different ARCH18:03
jack10hi does some know if meego runs with nvidia ion ?18:03
slainethat's always been possible18:03
slainejack10: not by default18:04
ali1234slaine: last time we tried it half them failed to build, remember?18:04
slaineI believe there's some howtos18:04
slaineali1234: ah right, well, I've tried (yet)18:04
slainetoo busy18:04
slainebut I do plan on having another go18:04
jack10slaine, are there any projects that ported meego to nvidia ion ?18:04
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ali1234ok, that's ok. just wondered18:04
fcocuadradoslaine: thanks18:06
slainejack10: I've no idea, have a look around and see. I know there's a forum thread on it18:07
lcukanyone built meego for android hardware yet?18:08
fcocuadradoslaine: Now I'm compiling all src.rpm packages with mock, so after that I must create a local repo to use mic, isn't it?18:09
slaineyes18:09
fcocuadradoslaine: So I'm in the right way, thanks!18:09
slaineyup18:09
slaineyou rebuilding for i686 or something ?18:10
fcocuadradoslaine: yes18:10
slainecool18:10
slaineif you get it working, put up a guide18:10
slainelots of people keep asking about it18:10
fcocuadradoslaine: I'm trying to build a meego from scratch in x86, after that I want to make some changes and learn something useful in the middle18:10
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ali1234fcocuadrado: yeah, please keep notes on what you're doing :)18:11
fcocuadradoslaine: when I end the process I will create a guide, I promise18:11
slaineali1234 and myself tried with moblin and it failed miserably18:11
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Stskeepsi think people are succeeding with the public prjconf's at least18:11
fcocuadradoI don't know what is prjconf18:12
StskeepsOBS18:12
Stskeepsstuff18:12
fcocuadradook18:12
slaineStskeeps: welcome back18:12
slainegood trip ?18:12
fcocuadradothis is another task in my todo18:12
Stskeepsi'm sunburnt like hell, very tired, my internal head jukebox is working again and i'm feeling creative18:12
Stskeepsso yes, good trip :)18:12
slaine:)18:12
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Stskeepshm, i suppose i should look at how handset ux turned out18:15
lcukstskeeps now its live and open you could make some vids of your favorite bits18:16
Stskeepslcuk: i'm still not entirely sure if i have one18:17
fcocuadradoBTW I'm using sources from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/repos/source/ but there are some packages for ARM processors, I suppose these packages are not required for x8618:17
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lcukstskeeps? have one what? a working system or favorite bits? :D18:17
Stskeepsfavourite bits ;)18:17
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Stskeepsmy favourite bit is the mic2.conf trick for closed repos, but that's just me :)18:18
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lcukwell then, who has handset ux running and which bit makes you breasthless (in a good way or bad) in whats there18:19
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* timeless_mbp pokes slaine and Stskeeps about distinct items18:21
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Stskeepswhat's an item?18:21
Stskeeps:P18:21
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slaineand why is distinct18:22
slaines/and why is distinct/and why is it distinct/18:22
infobotslaine meant: and why is it distinct18:22
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timeless_mbpStskeeps: http://mxr.moego.org/repo.meego.com/find?string=linux-2.6.33/MAINTAINERS18:22
timeless_mbpwhy are there two packages with nearly the same content?18:23
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timeless_mbpslaine: now that mxr.moego.org/repo.meego.com/ kinda works, i'd really like to get the DNS CNAME for mxr.meego.com up18:23
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Stskeepstimeless_mbp: give me source file names / rpms it comes from and i can maybe tell you18:23
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timeless_mbpi'm pretty sure they come from linux.rpm and kernel.rpm :)18:23
slainetimeless_mbp: you'd have to make a submission to the community working group I think18:24
timeless_mbpwell w/ version numbers18:24
timeless_mbpit was already agreed a while ago18:24
slaineok18:24
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* slaine notes that he doesn't work for Intel or Nokia and so has no power to push it any further18:25
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ali1234will "meego for connected-tv" include a STB type UX for actually watching TV etc (something like mythfrontend) and if so, is there another "big reveal" in the works for that?18:25
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slaineof course18:25
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Stskeepsali1234: i haven't heard anything related to connected tv personally18:27
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fcocuadradoanother question, now I'm using mock with fedora-12-i386 chroot to compile meego sources, is it a good option? Because some meego packages don't compile without a clear reason18:35
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GAN900ali1234, the big reveals may never end.18:36
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w00t_moin GAN90018:39
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pme_hi. anyone had experience with meego on eeePC 1000HE?18:51
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pme_hi. anyone had experience with meego on eeePC 1000HE?19:04
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slainewhat triggers loading kernel modules under meego ?19:49
Stskeepsudev probably19:49
slainethats what I thought19:50
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GAN900Quick poll/plug: How many people here read http://mwkn.net?20:07
* w00t_ does, via rss20:07
janii think i have it in my reader too20:08
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w00t_gentle reminder that the developer engagement meeting will be kicking off in an hour in #meego-meeting as scheduled :) (http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-June/001088.html)21:01
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lcukw00t_, more than a gentle reminded wouldv been happier - if devs arent reading every scrap of mail they wont know - a new ML thread to say "oh, hi, so after this thread we made a meeting, come along" ;)21:03
CosmoHillsalut w00t_ et lcuk21:04
timeless_mbpw00t_: as it happened, your gentle reminder worked for me21:04
timeless_mbpbut i'd agree, on average, i don't think it's likely to catch many21:04
dm8tbrw00t_: this is for application developers, right?21:04
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* dm8tbr won't bother then. he just plays with porting meego21:04
w00t_dm8tbr: http://wiki.meego.com/DeveloperEngagement is a fairly good description of scope21:04
timeless_mbpw00t_: among other things, it should be on http://meego.com/21:04
timeless_mbpbut i don't see it21:05
w00t_timeless_mbp: sec21:05
dm8tbrw00t_: looks like not primary interest but I might join and lurk21:05
timeless_mbpdm8tbr: lurking isn't expensive at all21:05
* timeless_mbp is watching Wimbledon 21:06
w00t_timeless_mbp: might be worth adding a watch on http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Meeting_IRC_Schedule21:06
* dm8tbr lurks all over moznet already21:06
timeless_mbpw00t_: yes21:06
w00t_but good suggestion, I'll ask about getting website notice in the future21:06
timeless_mbpthanks21:06
* w00t_ goes back to trying to work out a semblance of sanity from the notes he's been jotting down21:07
timeless_mbpi'd argue it should appear in 'Upcoming events'21:08
* w00t_ nods21:08
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lcukw00t_, im bumping the mail unless you are on it right away21:17
w00t_lcuk: by all means21:18
w00t_writing notes21:18
w00t_(so go ahead, I mean)21:18
timeless_mbplcuk: so, lemme know if you start using mxr.moego.org :)21:19
* timeless_mbp is going to start advertising it...21:19
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lbtw00t_: http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/School21:22
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lbtsadly the OBS blew up on sunday afternoon ... still putting the bits back together21:22
w00t_lbt: ... :)21:22
w00t_seems like we're on the same wavelength21:22
* lcuk had a fantastic weekend o_O21:23
Lynourelcuk: Akademy?21:23
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lcukno, i was curled up with my n900 thinking and coding and hacking and following code aorund :)21:24
Lynourelcuk: those two are not self-exclusive you know...21:25
lcukfinally ticked off a long term bug :)21:25
lcukand by long, i mean something thats bugged me since i wrote first one!21:25
Lynoure:)21:25
lcukand yes Lynoure akademy people sound like they had a lot of fun21:26
LynoureI felt a bit guilty there but at least my own code was progressing21:27
lcukheh Lynoure sometimes you can code on the go21:27
lcuki think when im on the move21:28
lcukand code when i rest - sometimes in dev rooms or alternatively way into the night ;)21:28
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w00t_phew, finished21:35
w00t_that took a little more thought than I wanted21:35
* lcuk slides over a glass of orange juice21:35
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w00t_is it vodka infused? :P21:36
lcukw00t_, can be, hold on21:36
w00t_:)21:37
lcukok w00t_ i had to use twitter :P21:38
w00t_twitter is distilled vodka?21:38
w00t_..it all makes sense now..21:38
lcuk:D21:38
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* w00t_ replied :-P21:39
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CosmoHill20 minutes until the meeting starts21:39
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w00t_you are a man of precision21:41
lcukw00t_, not really, he said that at 19:3621:42
w00t_my clock said 19:39:5521:42
w00t_(so not quite, but very close)21:43
CosmoHillMon Jul  5 19:43:05 BST 201021:43
CosmoHill/exec -o date21:43
w00t_ 5 Jul 19:43:11 ntpdate[15596]: adjust time server 139.112.1.21 offset -0.151345 sec21:43
w00t_so I guess yours might be drifting a bit21:43
CosmoHilllets see my server21:43
lcukwell, i guess its my windows clock thats buggered21:43
w00t_ah21:43
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CosmoHillnate@blue[1009]:~ $ cat /var/cache/ntp.drift21:45
CosmoHill124.94321:45
CosmoHillI installed ntp yesterday btw21:45
CosmoHillmy server drifts a lot21:45
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CosmoHill9 mintues to go21:51
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CosmoHillnow would be a good time to start joining #meego-meeting for tonight's Developer Engagement Meeting21:52
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texrathey all21:52
Stskeepslo texrat21:52
Stskeepshow's finland?21:53
texratso good to finally make a meeting again21:53
texratI had to fly to tampere to do it21:53
texratFinland as always is great... having a blast21:53
CosmoHilllies21:53
texratheh21:54
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texratcybette is the best hostess21:54
cybette:)21:55
texrathere's what you don't expect to hear though: it's HOT21:55
cybetteyeah texrat you brought texas weather over here21:55
meegodotbyhi all21:56
dm8tbrfor values of hot21:56
lcukcybette, the question is, will he take it back with him :D21:56
texrathell no, we have enough of it21:57
lcukheya texrat \o glad you are enjoying time21:57
texratthinking of sending some to not-so-great Britain21:57
cybettegood idea21:57
lcukwe have sun!21:57
lcukits shining on me as we speak actually o_O21:57
lcukgenuinely odd because i have blinds up i think one of the cats has had issues with em today21:58
w00t_developer engagement meeting about to start in #meego-meeting, last call.. :)21:58
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divew00t_, is this an open meeting?21:59
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w00t_dive: certainly21:59
texrathey Venemo21:59
divegreat thanks21:59
Venemohi21:59
CosmoHilldamit21:59
Venemohey Texrat21:59
CosmoHillpolice intercepters is on noe and i want to watch that21:59
Venemolol21:59
w00t_#startmeeting22:00
w00t_ergh22:00
w00t_meetbot isn't even here22:00
* w00t_ headdesks22:00
lcuklol22:00
Venemobad channel.22:00
CosmoHillwrong channel silly22:00
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CosmoHillI'll wait until #endmeeting until i say stupid things / things I'd say normally22:01
* texrat seconds that idea22:01
texratall in favor?22:01
* Venemo facepalms22:02
CosmoHilli think meetings should start 5 mins later cos people always come in late22:03
timeless_mbptexrat: very funny22:04
timeless_mbpfn is a joke22:04
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CosmoHilltexrat: you said after the meeting22:04
texratd'oh22:05
timeless_mbp+122:05
timeless_mbpw00t_: fwiw, the portion of fn i saw had people who didn't act like Pros22:06
timeless_mbpthey might be creating 'commercial apps'22:06
timeless_mbpbut there were lots of very stupid questions22:06
CosmoHill"where am I"22:06
timeless_mbpamateurish22:06
CosmoHill"who are you?"{22:06
CosmoHill"are you my mummy?"22:06
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texratCosmoHill, i am contributing ;p22:10
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w00tRST38h: yes, I wouldn't be running the meeting if I wasn't22:23
RST38hw00t: So, you will be teaching classes?22:23
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CosmoHillhow can you charge for classes that are designed to help an open source project?22:24
w00tRST38h: yes, I intend to22:24
RST38hw00t: Good luck then22:24
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timeless_mbpw00t: solvable problem :)22:30
w00t:-)22:32
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texratleiner: hey22:33
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CosmoHillsomeone poke me when we get to mentoring22:33
texratleinir: hey22:33
leinirtexrat: Heyhey there :)22:34
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leinirBusy day! About to drop off bedwards :)22:36
texratwe are in #meego-meeting discussing developer outreach22:36
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timeless_mbpVenemo: you could let w00t talk before asking questions22:41
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* CosmoHill dances cos people like what he said22:42
Venemotimeless: sorry.22:43
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leinirtexrat: Ooh, nicely :)22:44
texrat:)22:45
* timeless_mbp is trying to watch a movie22:45
CosmoHillI seem to be doing well with meetings :)22:48
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texratCosmoHill: we are all so proud :p22:49
CosmoHill:D22:49
CosmoHillthis is what happens when I pay attention :D22:49
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texratwhat?  I didn't catch that22:50
texratFatalSaint:!!!!!!22:50
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texrat:)22:50
FatalSainttexrat!22:50
CosmoHillmost of the meetings I've been watching TV or playing a game22:50
texratI can finally attend-- had to fly to Tampere to do so22:50
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FatalSaintMethinks I missed a meeting22:50
CosmoHillFatalSaint: you mean the one ending in 10 mins?22:51
texratfatalSaint we're in #meego-meeting22:51
FatalSaintlol if it ends in 10 minutes dont suppose joining now would do any good lol22:51
FatalSaintanything good come from it?22:51
CosmoHillwe'll give you the logs22:51
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* lcuk has something to say at the AOB22:53
FatalSaintCool.  Thanks Cosmo.  Sorry w00t for missing it.22:53
w00tFatalSaint: #meego-meeting22:53
w00tit's still ongoing22:53
w00t:)22:53
FatalSaintdoesn't it end in a few minutes?22:53
w00tstill fairly lively so far :)22:53
w00tI'll try give you a log afterwards though22:53
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GAN900Yo, texrat.22:54
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texratyo GAN90022:54
texratwhere you been?22:55
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Venemotexrat: if you don't mind my asking, are (/were/) you a Windows developer?22:56
CosmoHilllcuk: what is AOB?22:56
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lcukany other busines22:56
lcuks22:56
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texratGAN900: I accidentally closed window-- repeat please?22:56
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GAN900texrat, what do you mean where you been?22:57
GAN900Here. :P22:57
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nf590hello22:57
nf590how can i update chromium on meego 1.0?22:57
lbtkarma is good!22:58
CosmoHilldur22:58
lbttexrat: ^^^22:59
timeless_mbpinfobot: aob?22:59
timeless_mbpinfobot: aob is any other business22:59
infobotokay, timeless_mbp22:59
CosmoHillnf590: maybe "zypper update" ?22:59
ali1234the way to fix karma is to let people have their karma, but don't provide any way to see a "leaderboard" etc22:59
CosmoHillfrom the command line22:59
ali1234and also make it decay over time22:59
Jaffalbt: Especially if it results in My Name Is Earl22:59
CosmoHillali1234: on the channel I'm in a bot keep karma23:00
lbt\o/23:00
CosmoHilland you can see the karma for a person if you ask the bot23:00
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JaffaAlthough, it's "Men Behaving Badly" night on Dave. w00t!23:00
lbtRandy 4ever23:00
ali1234CosmoHill: i'm not saying don't show it at all. i'm just saying don't have a leaderboard23:00
CosmoHilltypically the bot has gone missing23:00
Jaffalbt: scratch it into a tree ;-p23:00
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* lbt is grinning just thinking of my name is Earl23:01
texratlol23:01
Jaffa"Y'know, a woman? What you and Tony call 'people with shirt potatoes'"23:01
nf590CosmoHill: reading installed packages... nothing to do.23:01
CosmoHillw00t_: stop admitting liability :p\23:01
nf590it seems all up to date23:02
CosmoHillmaybe "upgrade"?23:02
w00thehe23:02
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StskeepsFatalSaint: ping23:03
FatalSaintStskeeps: pong23:03
CosmoHillw00t_: might be time to end  the meeting in 10 mins or so23:03
CosmoHill(if you want to that is)23:03
texratI am so full of pizza and ice cream...23:04
texratoh and I had a big drink of Jaffa yesterday :D23:04
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timeless_mbpso23:04
texratpupnik!23:05
CosmoHillJaffa?23:05
timeless_mbpwho represents MeeGo marketing ?23:05
texratmy mom23:05
cybettepupnik :)23:05
CosmoHillsatan23:05
timeless_mbpbecause oreilly can't spell MeeGo23:05
Jaffatexrat: The small ones are more juicy :-p23:05
CosmoHillor satian23:05
lcuktimeless_mbp, peter still?23:05
CosmoHillI can't tell the difference :/23:05
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w00t_Venemo: hmm?23:06
texratJaffa it's so frigging humid in Tampere i needed a big one23:06
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CosmoHillFatalSaint: http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-07-05-18.59.log.html23:06
Venemow00t_: what hmm?23:06
FatalSaintTY Cosmo23:06
Jaffatexrat: Sorry. Too much wine to read that with a straight face.23:06
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texratlol23:06
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texratintended23:06
JaffaGoodo.23:06
w00t_Venemo: forum.meego.com question23:07
Venemow00t:23:07
texratI made the most embarassing goof on Anssi Vanjoki's articles comments23:07
texratI meant to say the community was hard on him (tough) but I said "hard IN you"23:07
texratoh geez23:07
Venemow00t_: it was an answer to "Where is the "central part" of this now - is it the mailing list?"23:07
texratthere's no erasing that23:08
Venemotexrat: anyone can make such a misspell23:08
texratyeah but23:08
cybettetexrat: tsk tsk what were you thinking ;)23:08
texratshaddap you23:08
cybette:X23:08
texratI think I was watching some Finnish beauty when I typed it23:09
lcukhaha23:09
texratI blame old age and distance from home23:09
Jaffatexrat: Good trip, then? ;-)23:09
texratexcellent jaffa23:09
lcuktexrat, you mustv been watching the wife carrying competition23:09
Jaffatexrat: Out of sight, out of mind, eh? ;-)23:09
texrat*maybe* a job offer23:09
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Jaffatexrat: Oooh. Cool23:09
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texratbut next year... we'll see23:10
* CosmoHill offers ice cream23:10
* lcuk accepts and goes reading book23:10
CosmoHilldamn Dell monitor23:10
* texrat burps after good ice cream23:11
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CosmoHillthe input is YPbPr, not RGB23:11
CosmoHillso why does it ask every time23:11
pupnikhey texrat!23:12
pupnikhow has akademy been?23:12
CosmoHillhow old is meego now?23:12
CosmoHill3 months and 5 days?23:12
cybettehere's the icecream texrat had: http://www.nestle-nordic.com/valiojaatelo/aino/products/homepackages/Aino+Karpalo+Kinuski.htm23:13
pupnikthat looks rather sinful23:13
cybettei'm trying to resist...23:13
pupnikdid you see any touch-ui stuff for meego?23:14
pupnik(netbook)23:14
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* texrat plans to stuff ice cream package into cybette's purse tomorrow23:14
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texratpupnik man wish you were here, it's been great23:15
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pupnikhttp://www.cio.com.au/article/351250/intel_meego_os_shown_multitouch_tablet/23:15
cybettepupnik: not at the conference23:15
pupnikok so it's all what, QT?23:16
texratsome23:16
* cybette hides purse from texrat23:16
alteregotexrat: found your recent posts very interesting :)23:17
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alteregoAnd I liked your talk on day 1 :)23:17
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texratalterego: thanks!23:17
cybettepupnik: well it's aKademy, so Kde stuff23:17
texratI will have a better talk for meeGo in November23:17
cybettetoday is Qt workshop though23:17
alteregoI didn't realize how far you invisaged the user feedback system going.23:17
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texratcybette I may skip tomorrow, not much interest23:17
texratmay goof around tampere23:18
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alteregoThe introduction of games and everything seems an extremely good idea.23:18
texratagreed alterego23:18
cybettetexrat: good idea. enjoy the nice weather :)23:18
texratI got to talk with leinir of Gluon a lot about that23:18
alteregoAnd the semantic web is something that I'm very enthused and interested in, which kind of sounds like it could be a good way to go with this.23:18
pupnikmeego 1.1 pre-alpha tablet demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4vv7yFaqxw23:18
texratwhoever brings the Steam experience to mobile successfully will kick ass23:18
texratyes alterego I didn't touch on semantic web but you are right on targtet23:19
texrattarget*23:19
alteregoI don't have much experience with Steam, I've got an XBox and like the fact I don't have to do anything.23:19
texratyes, Xbox Live is another example23:19
alteregoBut on the other hand, linking in things like social networking and maybe game reviews + rating might also be an interesting idea.23:19
texratwhere is my mobile Live lobby?  :)23:19
alteregoHeh23:20
texratyes!23:20
pupnikLeinir of Gluon sounds like a norse warrior-king shrunk to subatomic size.23:20
texratlol pupnik23:20
CosmoHillhttp://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/bobby.jpg << doggy :D23:20
leinirpupnik: Why thank you! *giggles* :)23:20
texrathe goes barefoot everywhere and got rejected from a restaurant yesterday23:20
pupnikyvw :)23:20
texratpoor guy23:20
alteregoBut yeah, I'd love to help, so I'm sure we'll talk again about it. :)23:20
leinirTehee :)23:20
texratwe are planning a discrimination suit23:20
leinirHey, we found a much nicer place, with nice atmosphere and such :)23:21
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texratok alterego, looking forward!23:21
texratyes we did leinir23:21
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texratand only a little glass23:21
leinir*giggles* Yeah - all avoidable problems ;)23:21
pupniki really like that out-of-the way vietnamese place in tampere (near city hall)23:22
texratoooo!23:22
texratI want Vietnamese in tampere!23:23
texratyum23:23
pupnikcybette must treat23:23
cybetteyeah i thought of that place23:23
texratI love vietnamese spring rolls23:23
texratand sate chicken23:23
texratcrap w00t, sorry, accidentally closed your window23:24
cybettebut the calzone we had today was nice too23:25
texrato ya23:25
texrathuge23:25
texratI can't believe cybette ate 223:25
anidelCalzone ? in Tampere?23:25
texratsure anidel23:25
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cybettei ate one!!23:25
* anidel wonders23:25
texratit was the best Italian food anywhere ;p23:25
cybetteanidel: in bella roma23:26
texratI don't think anyone in Italy could do better23:26
texratwe're talking magnifico23:26
* texrat waits for outburst23:26
pupnikhmph, takes texrat to the *good* places23:26
anideltexrat :) we'll see about that :p23:26
anidelehhe23:26
* anidel invites Texrat and Cybette to Naples for the real calzone :D23:27
* texrat accepts if anidel pays23:27
* anidel fun fact: did you know that "calzone" means "pants" in Italian ?23:27
texratinvite pupnik too!23:27
* anidel pays (a calzone is usually very cheap anyway :p)23:27
texratno no, the flight :p23:28
* anidel doesn't pay a cent23:28
cybettepupnik: we'll go next time. i didn't know they had calzone. i usually just go there for pizza23:28
* lcuk waves @ anidel 23:28
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* anidel waves back @ lcuk23:28
* texrat mistakes lcuk's hand for bird, fires23:28
TSCHAKeee2mmmm, would love a real napolitan pizza or calzone, right now...23:28
pupnikwow google maps has pretty ocean floors for the sea now23:28
cybetteanidel: which part of italy?23:28
lcukOMG :( MOAR fingers gone23:29
pupnikhttp://maps.google.com/maps?q=naples+italy23:29
pupnikyou cuttin em off again lcuk ?23:29
TSCHAKeee2but i guess i will settle for a batch of my evol southern fried chicken23:29
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TSCHAKeee2;)23:29
lcukpupnik, texrat just shot em23:29
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anidelcybette: I'm from very near Pompeii23:29
texrataccident, I swear23:29
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lcukanidel, how is canada23:30
* cybette longs to visit italy23:30
* pupnik looking at Napoli pics23:30
texrathey guys check this out, only in the US: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/July-4-Fireworks-Man-Blows-Arm-Off-With-Independence-Day-Fireworks-And-Horses-Bolt-And-Kill-Woman/Article/201007115659655?lpos=World_News_Second_Home_Page_Article_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15659655_July_4_Fireworks%3A_Man_Blows_Arm_Off_With_Independence_Day_Fireworks_And_Horses_Bolt_And_Kill_Woman23:30
cybettepupnik: let's go there23:30
pupnik:)23:30
lcuki can tell by the link this isnt going to be pleasurable23:30
* anidel misses Naples :(23:30
pupnikno, we're not in the same room :P23:30
lcukso they have a video showing fireworks and music!23:31
anidellcuk: quite nice indeed :) like it so far.. miss pizza though23:31
lcukoooh that firework is a lovely shade of red23:31
texrat...23:31
* anidel went to Portland, OR this week end.. should have stopped at Intel and wave to the MeeGo guys23:31
texratread the frigging story23:31
lcukanidel, of course you miss pizza23:31
anidellcuk hard to find it here.. I found few very good places when I was in London though :)23:32
pupniknot interested in talking about that same stupid event that the press has decided is interesting, texrat23:32
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pupnikand that is flooding all channels in irc23:32
texratsorry pupnik23:32
lcukanidel, then you do what other italians do when they cant find good food:23:32
lcukmake your own!23:32
pupniknp, just explaining23:32
anidellcuk: cook our own23:32
anidelyeah :) my partner's a good cook !23:33
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pupnikanidel: what food do you miss when away from italy?23:33
anidellcuk: but usually italians simply complain :)23:33
lcuk\o/ anidel good job23:33
anidelpupnik: long list :)23:33
anidelbut I am happy I found out they sell rapini here in Canada!!! I LOVE them and was missing them in London (hard to find and expensive)23:34
* cybette misses real chinese food23:34
lcukheh23:34
anidelanyway, don't make Anidel start on food :)23:34
* texrat misses girl scout cookies... the onesw made from real girl scouts23:35
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anidelor we'll have to open a MeeGo-Food channel :P23:35
cybettelol @ texrat23:35
anidelany Canadian from Quebec?23:35
texratanidel is bringing snaks to the meego summit23:35
anidelif they pay the flight to Dublin23:36
cybettei don't think it's just meego channel, people inadvertently mentions food in most channels23:36
cybetteand then i'll get hungry23:36
cybettestupid power of suggestion23:36
* texrat sends mental ice cream wakes out23:36
dD0TI heard someone mention cookies?23:36
texrater waves23:36
anidelbut if you find an Italian on that channel when they happen to talk about food.. then he won't stop23:36
pupnikdid you try wasabe pringles yet texrat ?23:36
texratooo23:36
pupnik:)23:37
texratwasabe!23:37
texratgood for sinuses23:37
texratnot yet23:37
cybettetexrat: help yourself, kitchen counter23:37
texrathee23:37
cybettetwo of the cans are already empty though...23:37
cybette:P23:37
pupnikthat's pretty good willpower23:37
texratwoo!23:37
cybette:D23:37
texratI just flamed my brain23:38
pupniktexrat, need a hankerchief?23:38
pupnikhaha23:38
texratnot yet23:38
cybettepupnik: did you find them in butzbach?23:38
texrata bucket maybe23:38
texratoo there go the lips23:38
pupnikum not yet sorry23:38
* texrat reminds self to keep finger from eye23:39
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SavagoHello there, good afternoon. :-)23:39
Stskeepsgood afternoon23:39
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texratand good evening from sunny-at-night tampere!23:40
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cybetteyeah it's almost midnight. damn.23:40
SavagoI noticed that there is in meego website (http://meego.com/developers/ui-design-guidelines/handset/designing-your-application) some UI design work.23:40
pupnikoh ty Savago23:40
texratuh oh there go the wasabe pringles... and my lips23:40
* anidel goes back to work.. ttyl23:40
SavagoAnd I was wondering if those concepts would be implemented in libmeegotouch?23:40
Savagopupnik, hi there! :-)23:41
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pupnik"don’t hide distinct functions below the fold line because people may not understand they need to scroll to find that feature."23:41
pupnikgood stuff23:41
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texrathear hear pupnik!  N900 violates that23:42
texrat"oh shit-- there are MOAR options????"23:42
texrat"below the screen edge?"23:42
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Venemotexrat: this is a serious usability issue23:43
w00t_doesn't like, every stock maemo application violate that? :P23:43
timeless_mbpwhich reminds me23:43
Venemotexrat: without the presence of a scrollbar, why would you even think of scrolling down?23:43
* timeless_mbp needs to file bugs about the meego first run experience23:43
timeless_mbp(it's awful)23:43
texratVenemo, I fully agree23:43
texratit SUCKS23:43
Venemotexrat: agreed23:44
w00t_timeless_mbp: handset, or netbook UX?23:44
Venemotexrat: btw, (I think you just left the room when I asked), are you a Windows developer?23:44
w00t_(both? :-))23:44
texratas long as the scroll need is very apparent, no problem23:44
timeless_mbp"it didn't say"23:44
timeless_mbphttp://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/meego/firstrun/23:44
timeless_mbpyou tell me if you can figure out which UX it was :)23:44
texratvenemo yes, i am ashamed to admit i am :D23:45
timeless_mbp*from looking at it*23:45
timeless_mbp*not based on prior knowledge*23:45
Venemotexrat: no shame in that... I'm one, too :)23:45
texratlol23:45
w00t_timeless_mbp: netbook23:45
divejust out of interest, why target Windows devs more than Linux or Mac?23:45
timeless_mbpw00t_:  and which line of that UX said "this is the netbook UX"23:45
texratvenemo I am in a 12 step program for it though23:45
timeless_mbpthere isn't one in any of those pictures afaict23:45
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texratthe goal is Qt :D23:45
timeless_mbpand i'm serious23:45
Venemotexrat: and what environment do you use on Windows?23:45
timeless_mbpjust because you can divine something based on a crappy thing23:45
w00t_timeless_mbp: none, but I cheated23:45
w00t_(I've used netbook)23:45
timeless_mbpand i told you not to cheat!23:46
w00t_(and I totally agre)23:46
GAN900Clearly we need more energizing community events.23:46
texratvenemo VB.Net23:46
timeless_mbpi need to check to see if i have osol first run pictures23:46
timeless_mbpi think i do, because i'm fairly certain i've filed bugs for it23:46
w00t_GAN900: o/23:46
pupniki can't tell which timeless_mbp23:46
w00t_timeless_mbp: even if I didn't know23:46
pupnikhttp://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/meego/firstrun/date%20time.png  that's wider than i'd expect from handheld23:46
w00t_the size of the UI gives it away23:46
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w00t_(and the horrible calendar widget)23:47
timeless_mbppupnik: it's horrible23:47
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timeless_mbpit should be vertically stacked23:47
texratdamn sensitive window tab... grrr...23:47
Venemow00t_: btw, there is a tablet UX, too23:47
Venemow00t_: which is totally awesome23:47
w00t_is there?23:47
w00t_where's the code?23:47
timeless_mbpand they shouldn't use rows for the time stuff23:47
GAN900None of our community channels have looked like this in a long time. :P23:47
w00t_(iotw: until they release it, no there f&***"% isn't)23:47
Venemotexrat: ah, I'm happy to see another .NET person in here :) (although I'm a C# dev)23:47
* texrat blames texrat23:47
w00t_GAN900: nothing like controversy and discussion to bring out the best.. :)23:48
Venemow00t_: there are a couple of videos about it where Intel people show it off23:48
texrathyperactive SOB23:48
w00t_Venemo: yeah, I was being a bit sarcastic23:48
Venemow00t_: yeah, I know23:48
texratwell RST38h was fun23:48
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Venemow00t_: noone has seen the code of the tablet UX yet, that is true23:48
Venemow00t_: but I hope that we will be able to switch to that UX if we don't like the handset one23:49
texratthe meego meeting was nice and lively23:49
timeless_mbpGAN900: for the record, my current conversation is not related to -meeting23:49
w00t_Venemo: I'd rather hope that we can improve the handset UX one to address what we dislike about it, but yeah :)23:50
GAN900timeless_mbp, I was mostly talking about Akademy.23:50
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GAN900Positive energy is sorely lacking.23:51
GAN900Events like that always help23:51
GAN900So we need more of them.23:51
pupnik:)23:52
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Venemow00t_: heh. well, I liked the handset UX, but it was worse than the current Hildon UI23:52
Venemobtw, is it an option to port Hildon to MeeGo? :P23:53
w00t_GAN900: you going to meego summit btw?23:53
w00t_Venemo: see meego-dev archives.. there has been a few people discussing it23:53
w00t_long story short: technically possible yes23:53
w00t_financially possible yes23:53
w00t_manpower feasibly no23:53
w00t_(i.e. nobody seems to want to actually do it)23:53
Venemow00t_: well, for the time being, there is no point in that, either23:54
texratGAN900 I may have missed something-- what was the Akademy comment related to?23:54
w00t_well I'd say there is a point - developer engagement and retention23:54
w00t_but.. if nobody steps up to the plate there23:55
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w00t_it isn't really going to happen23:55
texratnvm GAN900 think I got it23:55
Venemow00t_: yes. but would any end users actually use Hildon on MeeGo?23:55
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pupnikGAN900: are you referring to this chatroom?23:55
w00t_if they use apps using Hildon (i.e. Maemo ports) - yes23:55
Venemow00t_: hm. so you're talking about libhildon rather than the entire Hildon desktop?23:56
w00t_yes23:56
w00t_porting hildon-desktop would also be possible, though I'd argue that it would be easier to fix what exists and runs now than to try remove Maemo bits and rewrite to new updated APIs23:57
w00t_(I took a look at hildon-desktop, it is possible, but a nontrivial amount of work)23:57
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Venemow00t_: because from what we've seen in the handset UX videos, the pre-alpha is much less eye-candy than Hildon23:57
Stskeepsit's just not very themed23:57
Stskeeps:P23:57
VenemoStskeeps: hehe :)23:57
Stskeepsdui/meegotouch should be very flexible23:58
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RST38hWho told you it can be themed? =)23:58
VenemoStskeeps: and the 'mascots' - the two little human figures - are just ridiculous23:58
w00t_Stskeeps: someone's been feeding you marketing koolaid I see :-P23:58
pupnikhow about instead we use home star runner themes ui Venemo23:58
w00t_Venemo: that's entirely down to theming though, not the software23:58
VenemoI was also missing the option to add widgets / stuff to the desktop(s ?)23:58
RST38hStskeeps: BTW, have they figured it out between Symbian and Maemo whose Qt-derived framework will be used?23:58
StskeepsRST38h: i vote motif23:58
Venemodo we know if it will be even possible?23:58
StskeepsVenemo: go check the features database?23:59
* RST38h votes EMULib, with the cool ZXSpectrum fonts23:59
VenemoStskeeps: okay, do you have a link?23:59
* RST38h should probably hide somewhere safe now, just in case23:59
w00t_Venemo: http://bugs.meego.com23:59
texratlol23:59
RST38hDay's work finished though, time to hit the bed23:59
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Venemow00t_: LoL! I'm looking for a feature, not a bug :P23:59

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