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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 02:17 |
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| noname_ | hello in which languages can i develop an application for meego? | 03:01 |
| CosmoHill | Qt | 03:03 |
| ScottishDuck | asm | 03:03 |
| mod700 | CosmoHill, only Qt? | 03:03 |
| CosmoHill | I'm not sure but i think so | 03:04 |
| noname_ | okay then c++ rite? | 03:04 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 03:04 |
| ScottishDuck | haskell only | 03:04 |
| noname_ | but i read something like it can be programmed in java and python also is it possible? | 03:04 |
| ScottishDuck | >java | 03:04 |
| mod700 | would be cool with other bind languages, like PyQt | 03:05 |
| brik | you can use python with qt | 03:07 |
| CosmoHill | hey brik | 03:07 |
| brik | hei CosmoHill :) | 03:07 |
| mod700 | what languages I can use on meego? | 03:07 |
| CosmoHill | brik: http://www.seapets.co.uk/gallery/858533-large.jpg < have a hamster in a car | 03:08 |
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| brik | lol, aw | 03:08 |
| chriadam | guys... correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't MeeGo just a linux distribution with certain components provided by Nokia/Intel/the Community? I would be... highly surprised if developers would be artificially limited to a particular programming language or toolkit. | 03:09 |
| mod700 | chriadam, I agree with you | 03:10 |
| chriadam | obviously, there will be an officially supported development environment/development tools. but if you want to develop an application in another language, and the tools are available on the platform, I don't see what would be stopping you... | 03:11 |
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| mod700 | chriadam, The importance would be by question of you to develop an application, made using PyQt, being that PyQt is not officaly supported on meego. So, the users had to download all the libs to run your app. | 03:16 |
| CosmoHill | i should meattion that I just hang out in the channels | 03:17 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm not a developer or anything | 03:17 |
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| ljp | i thought meego was liited to objective-c only /me shrugs | 04:12 |
| ljp | limited | 04:12 |
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| Robot101 | ljp: did you mean C++? :P | 04:13 |
| Robot101 | ljp: or, not meego | 04:13 |
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| ljp | being silly | 04:23 |
| ljp | objective-c++ | 04:23 |
| Robot101 | :) | 04:30 |
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| abhijeet | Hi Guys... | 09:44 |
| abhijeet | How much you will rate Meego Mobile UI out of 10. | 09:44 |
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| kniu | my internet has been dying randomly. | 10:16 |
| kniu | definitely not my router or the wireless, since I can always connect to 192.168.1.1 just fine. | 10:16 |
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| abhijeet | any comments guys | 10:36 |
| abhijeet | How much you will rate Meego Mobile UI out of 10. | 10:36 |
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| lpotter | I dont think very many people have used that yet enough to rate it | 11:07 |
| lpotter | unless you mean for netbooks | 11:08 |
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| dm8tbr | which reminds me to debug why my handset image doesn't boot on my hardware | 11:20 |
| timeless_mbp | abhijeet: 0.1 | 11:21 |
| abhijeet | lpotter: yes you are correct.. | 11:22 |
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| abhijeet | anyone want can check this screen shots: http://meego.com/devices/handset/handset-screenshots | 11:23 |
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| thiago_akademy | dm8tbr: doesn't boot on mine either | 11:36 |
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| lbt | Interesting : http://thenextweb.com/apple/2010/07/04/app-store-hacked/ | 11:42 |
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| meegodotby | what a bootloader meego? | 11:49 |
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| meegodotby | i have installed meego in virtualbox | 11:52 |
| meegodotby | also i research section boot | 11:52 |
| meegodotby | here there in no habitual structure grub | 11:53 |
| meegodotby | it is correct? | 11:53 |
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| linuxcentos | Hi | 12:47 |
| linuxcentos | Is it possible to boot the Meego handset image on x86 pc with qemu? | 12:48 |
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| amjad | linuxcentos: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=202&page=7 | 12:56 |
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| * timeless_mbp wonders what the difference between linux-2.6.33 and kernel-2.6.33 is | 12:57 | |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm | 12:58 |
| timeless_mbp | one's there to be funny | 12:58 |
| timeless_mbp | cute | 12:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyone here familiar w/ the kernel bits of meego? | 13:03 |
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| * w00t_ votes Stskeeps for personal amusement | 13:04 | |
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| timeless_mbp | nomination accepted | 13:04 |
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| Sazius | amjad: that forum thread is about the netbook image though (?), linuxcentos' question was about handset image... | 13:05 |
| Sazius | I found this earlier, but requires you have an N900, so it doesn't work for me: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu | 13:08 |
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| * timeless_mbp has two directories which are similar in shape but annoyingly distinct | 13:12 | |
| dm8tbr | meh, I think I broke serial console :( | 13:12 |
| dm8tbr | time to mount that image on the laptop | 13:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: can you explain why http://mxr.moego.org/repo.meego.com/source/linux-2.6.33/ and http://mxr.moego.org/repo.meego.com/source/kernel-2.6.33/linux-2.6.33/ both exist? | 13:14 |
| w00t_ | (he's going to hate me) | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | afaiu, each top level entry in repo.meego.com is derived from a single package | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | which means there's a package <linux> and a package <kernel> both of which deliver similar, but distinct content | 13:15 |
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| slaine | am confused by valen turkovic's email there about meego on the eee 701 | 13:49 |
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| amjad | i got meego handset image on qemu woooot | 14:14 |
| amjad | but as usual X is borked | 14:16 |
| dive | amjad, closed or open source? | 14:16 |
| amjad | closed one you need to have n900 and this one will help if you are n900 owner | 14:17 |
| amjad | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu | 14:17 |
| dive | yeah I know - I have closed working | 14:17 |
| dive | can't get te open source one to boot at all | 14:17 |
| growler | out of interest, what stuff's closed? | 14:18 |
| dive | and it seems that you can't add more space to the closed source one to install much software for dev | 14:18 |
| dive | growler, well I was refering to the nokia nand image | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | what image filenames? for 1.1 we dont use zNAND anymore | 14:20 |
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| dive | meego_qemu_nand.img | 14:21 |
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| dive | Stskeeps, any clues on getting meego-n900-open-armv7l-1.0.0.20100525.1-sda.raw to boot? | 14:25 |
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| lcuk | dive, you need a wizards hat, eye of newt, a lock of hair from an OSS developer and it must be stirred counterclockwise using a Nokia 770 stylus (original only) | 14:26 |
| dive | I've tried with it as -hda -boot c with the kernel meego-n900-open-armv7l-1.0.0.20100525.1-vmlinuz-2.6.33.3-11.2-n900 | 14:27 |
| dive | just says cannot find bootable device or similar | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | -mmc is more likely | 14:29 |
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| Stskeeps | and qflasher a kernel in | 14:30 |
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| dive | I thought qflasher was for flashing a n900? | 14:31 |
| dive | -mmc invalid option | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | no, for flashing a nand file | 14:32 |
| dive | is meego-n900-open-armv7l-1.0.0.20100525.1-sda.raw a nand file then? | 14:33 |
| dive | I thought it was normal qemu file | 14:33 |
| dive | it does contain a kernel in /boot I've looked | 14:34 |
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| hevauq | is there a way to git clone entire meego repository | 14:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | hevauq: meego isn't one source repository | 14:50 |
| timeless_mbp | so, no | 14:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | and meego isn't really one project, it's an umbrella | 14:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | so cloning it as you'd like to do isn't very practical | 14:51 |
| timeless_mbp | you'd need a git-forest list of sorts | 14:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | i haven't found one | 14:51 |
| hevauq | ok, say for example, i want to have all the packages for IVI distro(or whatever the right word is) for intel atom, what is best way to do that | 14:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | i've sorta built my own collection at mxr.moego.org/meego | 14:52 |
| timeless_mbp | but mine isn't tuned to IVI | 14:52 |
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| lcuk | who own moego.org ? | 14:52 |
| timeless_mbp | jebba | 14:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | or at least, he has dns control :) | 14:53 |
| timeless_mbp | and he's alive, unlike dns control for meego.com | 14:53 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 14:53 | |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, the alternative approach is mxr.moego.org/repo.moblin.org | 14:53 |
| hevauq | so, its like finding all the packages one by one and probably cloning them? | 14:53 |
| timeless_mbp | namely, you setup a system which pulls the package sources from the repositories for a specific configuration | 14:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | the /meego root is that, yes | 14:54 |
| timeless_mbp | the alternative repo.* rots rely on yum(?) to figure things out | 14:54 |
| timeless_mbp | yum is slighlty more reliable, at the expense of losing (afaik) all info about VCS :( | 14:54 |
| hevauq | isn't zepper default for meego? | 14:55 |
| hevauq | s/zepper/zypper? | 14:55 |
| timeless_mbp | um, i'm not using meego to host meego sources | 14:55 |
| timeless_mbp | so it doesn't matter | 14:55 |
| timeless_mbp | i could be using wget or curl :) | 14:55 |
| timeless_mbp | you pick a tool you know how to use :) | 14:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | repo.meego.com is a collection of rpm repositories | 14:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | any tool which is capable of understanding rpm repositories will let you deal w/ the contents | 14:57 |
| hevauq | so basically i can use yum and sync repo with that | 14:57 |
| timeless_mbp | yup | 14:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | looks like i use curl directly | 14:58 |
| hevauq | there are like builds on this site, are these automated builds? | 14:59 |
| linuxcentos | Sazius: thanks. i tried to boot the handset image with qemu, but just hanging | 14:59 |
| timeless_mbp | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/745487 :) | 14:59 |
| timeless_mbp | i haven't gotten to the point where cron just does the right thing ™, but hopefully | 15:00 |
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| hevauq | ah a perl script. | 15:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | a perl script that generates a shell script iirc :) | 15:01 |
| hevauq | lol, that is more like it. | 15:01 |
| timeless_mbp | the reason for this is so that i can pick up the process later | 15:02 |
| timeless_mbp | and work w/ a consistent set of data | 15:02 |
| timeless_mbp | whereas if i had the perl script doing everything, i'd have to teach it more stuff for picking up in the middle | 15:02 |
| * timeless_mbp will probably eventually teach it those bits, but... | 15:03 | |
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| * timeless_mbp is still trying to get the basics working … baby steps | 15:03 | |
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| hevauq | looks like a lot of work to me | 15:04 |
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| meegodotby | meego a locale POSIX or UTF8? | 15:10 |
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| dm8tbr | gngngngn | 15:11 |
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| * dm8tbr doesn't understand mic and or kickstart apparently - or I'm missing important bits of info | 15:11 | |
| dm8tbr | is anyone with armv7l knowledge around whom I could ask some questions about proper kickstart? | 15:14 |
| w00t_ | I'd try to just ask and hope someone knows the answer ;) | 15:14 |
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| dm8tbr | w00t_: I'm about to paste the url to my ks. I hate meta questions too, utterly. | 15:15 |
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| w00t_ | meegodotby: utf8 | 15:15 |
| w00t_ | (same as pretty much everything nowdays I guess) | 15:16 |
| meegodotby | mmmmmm | 15:16 |
| meegodotby | 1 i install meego in virtualbox | 15:16 |
| dm8tbr | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/745495 - this is my kickstart. it's a slightly adapted ia32 aava | 15:17 |
| meegodotby | 2. reboot to RIPlinux and mount partition / | 15:17 |
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| meegodotby | 3. edit /etc/inittab to 3 level | 15:17 |
| meegodotby | 4. reboot meego | 15:17 |
| meegodotby | and locale output -> POSIX? | 15:18 |
| meegodotby | and where xorg.conf | 15:18 |
| w00t_ | no idea, and there is no X configuration by default | 15:19 |
| dm8tbr | ha! my mic2 built image currently doesn't even have init scripts for x :( | 15:21 |
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| w00t_ | dm8tbr: what do you expect it to have? (I'll check against what I have locally perhaps) | 15:22 |
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| dm8tbr | w00t_: more than two scripts in /etc/rc5.d/ | 15:22 |
| * dm8tbr would check against an n900 image | 15:22 | |
| w00t_ | I have 7 | 15:22 |
| dm8tbr | but I can't get the ks file for that | 15:22 |
| w00t_ | (not an n900 image, though I would guess they have a lot in common) | 15:23 |
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| vgrade | lbt, been away, need any help on the OBS | 15:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok | 16:09 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.moego.org/repo.meego.com/ now has an index of <something> | 16:09 |
| timeless_mbp | please note that it's stale, and i can't make any guarantees about quality / consistency | 16:09 |
| timeless_mbp | (or responsiveness) | 16:10 |
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| meegodotby | MeeGo uses hal with Xorg? | 16:14 |
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| meegodotby | and where hal package? | 16:24 |
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| * timeless_mbp wonders why people ask questions and then run | 16:41 | |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, google mentality | 16:42 |
| lcuk | personal army etc | 16:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | thiago_akademy: fwiw, http://mxr.moego.org/repo.meego.com now has some index | 17:29 |
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| thiago_akademy | timeless_mbp: nice | 17:37 |
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| Max__ | Is there a way to custom build MeeGo for various devices? e.g. ARM11 based hardware? | 17:47 |
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| slaine | yes | 17:50 |
| Max__ | Is there an easy to follow tutorial for not gurus? | 17:50 |
| slaine | Yes | 17:50 |
| Max__ | (I'm not a guru, but not a n00b either) | 17:50 |
| Max__ | Where can I find this tutorial? | 17:51 |
| slaine | Have you looked for it ? | 17:51 |
| Max__ | I have. | 17:51 |
| Max__ | I found the forums, some useful and interesting stuff, but not what I'm looking for. | 17:51 |
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| slaine | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=meego+image+creation | 17:52 |
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| Max__ | Oh, silly me. I was looking for a howto. | 17:53 |
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| fcocuadrado | BTW if I would like to modify some sources and build a meego using them, could I do it with MIC? | 17:54 |
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| slaine | fcocuadrado: no, mic only assembles the disk images | 17:56 |
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| slaine | what you need to do is package up rpms which include your mods, host them in a local yum repo and include the repo in your kickstart file. Then running mic will pull in your packages from your local repo when making a new disk image | 17:57 |
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| ali1234 | slaine: so is it possible yet to build everything from source? | 18:03 |
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| slaine | ali1234: what do you mean, rebuild all the rpms ? | 18:03 |
| ali1234 | yes, possibly for a totally different ARCH | 18:03 |
| jack10 | hi does some know if meego runs with nvidia ion ? | 18:03 |
| slaine | that's always been possible | 18:03 |
| slaine | jack10: not by default | 18:04 |
| ali1234 | slaine: last time we tried it half them failed to build, remember? | 18:04 |
| slaine | I believe there's some howtos | 18:04 |
| slaine | ali1234: ah right, well, I've tried (yet) | 18:04 |
| slaine | too busy | 18:04 |
| slaine | but I do plan on having another go | 18:04 |
| jack10 | slaine, are there any projects that ported meego to nvidia ion ? | 18:04 |
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| ali1234 | ok, that's ok. just wondered | 18:04 |
| fcocuadrado | slaine: thanks | 18:06 |
| slaine | jack10: I've no idea, have a look around and see. I know there's a forum thread on it | 18:07 |
| lcuk | anyone built meego for android hardware yet? | 18:08 |
| fcocuadrado | slaine: Now I'm compiling all src.rpm packages with mock, so after that I must create a local repo to use mic, isn't it? | 18:09 |
| slaine | yes | 18:09 |
| fcocuadrado | slaine: So I'm in the right way, thanks! | 18:09 |
| slaine | yup | 18:09 |
| slaine | you rebuilding for i686 or something ? | 18:10 |
| fcocuadrado | slaine: yes | 18:10 |
| slaine | cool | 18:10 |
| slaine | if you get it working, put up a guide | 18:10 |
| slaine | lots of people keep asking about it | 18:10 |
| fcocuadrado | slaine: I'm trying to build a meego from scratch in x86, after that I want to make some changes and learn something useful in the middle | 18:10 |
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| ali1234 | fcocuadrado: yeah, please keep notes on what you're doing :) | 18:11 |
| fcocuadrado | slaine: when I end the process I will create a guide, I promise | 18:11 |
| slaine | ali1234 and myself tried with moblin and it failed miserably | 18:11 |
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| Stskeeps | i think people are succeeding with the public prjconf's at least | 18:11 |
| fcocuadrado | I don't know what is prjconf | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | OBS | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | stuff | 18:12 |
| fcocuadrado | ok | 18:12 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: welcome back | 18:12 |
| slaine | good trip ? | 18:12 |
| fcocuadrado | this is another task in my todo | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | i'm sunburnt like hell, very tired, my internal head jukebox is working again and i'm feeling creative | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | so yes, good trip :) | 18:12 |
| slaine | :) | 18:12 |
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| Stskeeps | hm, i suppose i should look at how handset ux turned out | 18:15 |
| lcuk | stskeeps now its live and open you could make some vids of your favorite bits | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i'm still not entirely sure if i have one | 18:17 |
| fcocuadrado | BTW I'm using sources from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/repos/source/ but there are some packages for ARM processors, I suppose these packages are not required for x86 | 18:17 |
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| lcuk | stskeeps? have one what? a working system or favorite bits? :D | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | favourite bits ;) | 18:17 |
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| Stskeeps | my favourite bit is the mic2.conf trick for closed repos, but that's just me :) | 18:18 |
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| lcuk | well then, who has handset ux running and which bit makes you breasthless (in a good way or bad) in whats there | 18:19 |
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| * timeless_mbp pokes slaine and Stskeeps about distinct items | 18:21 | |
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| Stskeeps | what's an item? | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:21 |
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| slaine | and why is distinct | 18:22 |
| slaine | s/and why is distinct/and why is it distinct/ | 18:22 |
| infobot | slaine meant: and why is it distinct | 18:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: http://mxr.moego.org/repo.meego.com/find?string=linux-2.6.33/MAINTAINERS | 18:22 |
| timeless_mbp | why are there two packages with nearly the same content? | 18:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | slaine: now that mxr.moego.org/repo.meego.com/ kinda works, i'd really like to get the DNS CNAME for mxr.meego.com up | 18:23 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: give me source file names / rpms it comes from and i can maybe tell you | 18:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'm pretty sure they come from linux.rpm and kernel.rpm :) | 18:23 |
| slaine | timeless_mbp: you'd have to make a submission to the community working group I think | 18:24 |
| timeless_mbp | well w/ version numbers | 18:24 |
| timeless_mbp | it was already agreed a while ago | 18:24 |
| slaine | ok | 18:24 |
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| * slaine notes that he doesn't work for Intel or Nokia and so has no power to push it any further | 18:25 | |
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| ali1234 | will "meego for connected-tv" include a STB type UX for actually watching TV etc (something like mythfrontend) and if so, is there another "big reveal" in the works for that? | 18:25 |
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| slaine | of course | 18:25 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: i haven't heard anything related to connected tv personally | 18:27 |
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| fcocuadrado | another question, now I'm using mock with fedora-12-i386 chroot to compile meego sources, is it a good option? Because some meego packages don't compile without a clear reason | 18:35 |
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| GAN900 | ali1234, the big reveals may never end. | 18:36 |
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| w00t_ | moin GAN900 | 18:39 |
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| pme_ | hi. anyone had experience with meego on eeePC 1000HE? | 18:51 |
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| pme_ | hi. anyone had experience with meego on eeePC 1000HE? | 19:04 |
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| slaine | what triggers loading kernel modules under meego ? | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | udev probably | 19:49 |
| slaine | thats what I thought | 19:50 |
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| GAN900 | Quick poll/plug: How many people here read http://mwkn.net? | 20:07 |
| * w00t_ does, via rss | 20:07 | |
| jani | i think i have it in my reader too | 20:08 |
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| w00t_ | gentle reminder that the developer engagement meeting will be kicking off in an hour in #meego-meeting as scheduled :) (http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-June/001088.html) | 21:01 |
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| lcuk | w00t_, more than a gentle reminded wouldv been happier - if devs arent reading every scrap of mail they wont know - a new ML thread to say "oh, hi, so after this thread we made a meeting, come along" ;) | 21:03 |
| CosmoHill | salut w00t_ et lcuk | 21:04 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t_: as it happened, your gentle reminder worked for me | 21:04 |
| timeless_mbp | but i'd agree, on average, i don't think it's likely to catch many | 21:04 |
| dm8tbr | w00t_: this is for application developers, right? | 21:04 |
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| * dm8tbr won't bother then. he just plays with porting meego | 21:04 | |
| w00t_ | dm8tbr: http://wiki.meego.com/DeveloperEngagement is a fairly good description of scope | 21:04 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t_: among other things, it should be on http://meego.com/ | 21:04 |
| timeless_mbp | but i don't see it | 21:05 |
| w00t_ | timeless_mbp: sec | 21:05 |
| dm8tbr | w00t_: looks like not primary interest but I might join and lurk | 21:05 |
| timeless_mbp | dm8tbr: lurking isn't expensive at all | 21:05 |
| * timeless_mbp is watching Wimbledon | 21:06 | |
| w00t_ | timeless_mbp: might be worth adding a watch on http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Meeting_IRC_Schedule | 21:06 |
| * dm8tbr lurks all over moznet already | 21:06 | |
| timeless_mbp | w00t_: yes | 21:06 |
| w00t_ | but good suggestion, I'll ask about getting website notice in the future | 21:06 |
| timeless_mbp | thanks | 21:06 |
| * w00t_ goes back to trying to work out a semblance of sanity from the notes he's been jotting down | 21:07 | |
| timeless_mbp | i'd argue it should appear in 'Upcoming events' | 21:08 |
| * w00t_ nods | 21:08 | |
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| lcuk | w00t_, im bumping the mail unless you are on it right away | 21:17 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: by all means | 21:18 |
| w00t_ | writing notes | 21:18 |
| w00t_ | (so go ahead, I mean) | 21:18 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: so, lemme know if you start using mxr.moego.org :) | 21:19 |
| * timeless_mbp is going to start advertising it... | 21:19 | |
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| lbt | w00t_: http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/School | 21:22 |
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| lbt | sadly the OBS blew up on sunday afternoon ... still putting the bits back together | 21:22 |
| w00t_ | lbt: ... :) | 21:22 |
| w00t_ | seems like we're on the same wavelength | 21:22 |
| * lcuk had a fantastic weekend o_O | 21:23 | |
| Lynoure | lcuk: Akademy? | 21:23 |
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| lcuk | no, i was curled up with my n900 thinking and coding and hacking and following code aorund :) | 21:24 |
| Lynoure | lcuk: those two are not self-exclusive you know... | 21:25 |
| lcuk | finally ticked off a long term bug :) | 21:25 |
| lcuk | and by long, i mean something thats bugged me since i wrote first one! | 21:25 |
| Lynoure | :) | 21:25 |
| lcuk | and yes Lynoure akademy people sound like they had a lot of fun | 21:26 |
| Lynoure | I felt a bit guilty there but at least my own code was progressing | 21:27 |
| lcuk | heh Lynoure sometimes you can code on the go | 21:27 |
| lcuk | i think when im on the move | 21:28 |
| lcuk | and code when i rest - sometimes in dev rooms or alternatively way into the night ;) | 21:28 |
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| w00t_ | phew, finished | 21:35 |
| w00t_ | that took a little more thought than I wanted | 21:35 |
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| w00t_ | is it vodka infused? :P | 21:36 |
| lcuk | w00t_, can be, hold on | 21:36 |
| w00t_ | :) | 21:37 |
| lcuk | ok w00t_ i had to use twitter :P | 21:38 |
| w00t_ | twitter is distilled vodka? | 21:38 |
| w00t_ | ..it all makes sense now.. | 21:38 |
| lcuk | :D | 21:38 |
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| * w00t_ replied :-P | 21:39 | |
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| CosmoHill | 20 minutes until the meeting starts | 21:39 |
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| w00t_ | you are a man of precision | 21:41 |
| lcuk | w00t_, not really, he said that at 19:36 | 21:42 |
| w00t_ | my clock said 19:39:55 | 21:42 |
| w00t_ | (so not quite, but very close) | 21:43 |
| CosmoHill | Mon Jul 5 19:43:05 BST 2010 | 21:43 |
| CosmoHill | /exec -o date | 21:43 |
| w00t_ | 5 Jul 19:43:11 ntpdate[15596]: adjust time server 139.112.1.21 offset -0.151345 sec | 21:43 |
| w00t_ | so I guess yours might be drifting a bit | 21:43 |
| CosmoHill | lets see my server | 21:43 |
| lcuk | well, i guess its my windows clock thats buggered | 21:43 |
| w00t_ | ah | 21:43 |
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| CosmoHill | nate@blue[1009]:~ $ cat /var/cache/ntp.drift | 21:45 |
| CosmoHill | 124.943 | 21:45 |
| CosmoHill | I installed ntp yesterday btw | 21:45 |
| CosmoHill | my server drifts a lot | 21:45 |
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| CosmoHill | 9 mintues to go | 21:51 |
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| CosmoHill | now would be a good time to start joining #meego-meeting for tonight's Developer Engagement Meeting | 21:52 |
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| texrat | hey all | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | lo texrat | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | how's finland? | 21:53 |
| texrat | so good to finally make a meeting again | 21:53 |
| texrat | I had to fly to tampere to do it | 21:53 |
| texrat | Finland as always is great... having a blast | 21:53 |
| CosmoHill | lies | 21:53 |
| texrat | heh | 21:54 |
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| texrat | cybette is the best hostess | 21:54 |
| cybette | :) | 21:55 |
| texrat | here's what you don't expect to hear though: it's HOT | 21:55 |
| cybette | yeah texrat you brought texas weather over here | 21:55 |
| meegodotby | hi all | 21:56 |
| dm8tbr | for values of hot | 21:56 |
| lcuk | cybette, the question is, will he take it back with him :D | 21:56 |
| texrat | hell no, we have enough of it | 21:57 |
| lcuk | heya texrat \o glad you are enjoying time | 21:57 |
| texrat | thinking of sending some to not-so-great Britain | 21:57 |
| cybette | good idea | 21:57 |
| lcuk | we have sun! | 21:57 |
| lcuk | its shining on me as we speak actually o_O | 21:57 |
| lcuk | genuinely odd because i have blinds up i think one of the cats has had issues with em today | 21:58 |
| w00t_ | developer engagement meeting about to start in #meego-meeting, last call.. :) | 21:58 |
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| dive | w00t_, is this an open meeting? | 21:59 |
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| w00t_ | dive: certainly | 21:59 |
| texrat | hey Venemo | 21:59 |
| dive | great thanks | 21:59 |
| Venemo | hi | 21:59 |
| CosmoHill | damit | 21:59 |
| Venemo | hey Texrat | 21:59 |
| CosmoHill | police intercepters is on noe and i want to watch that | 21:59 |
| Venemo | lol | 21:59 |
| w00t_ | #startmeeting | 22:00 |
| w00t_ | ergh | 22:00 |
| w00t_ | meetbot isn't even here | 22:00 |
| * w00t_ headdesks | 22:00 | |
| lcuk | lol | 22:00 |
| Venemo | bad channel. | 22:00 |
| CosmoHill | wrong channel silly | 22:00 |
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| CosmoHill | I'll wait until #endmeeting until i say stupid things / things I'd say normally | 22:01 |
| * texrat seconds that idea | 22:01 | |
| texrat | all in favor? | 22:01 |
| * Venemo facepalms | 22:02 | |
| CosmoHill | i think meetings should start 5 mins later cos people always come in late | 22:03 |
| timeless_mbp | texrat: very funny | 22:04 |
| timeless_mbp | fn is a joke | 22:04 |
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| CosmoHill | texrat: you said after the meeting | 22:04 |
| texrat | d'oh | 22:05 |
| timeless_mbp | +1 | 22:05 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t_: fwiw, the portion of fn i saw had people who didn't act like Pros | 22:06 |
| timeless_mbp | they might be creating 'commercial apps' | 22:06 |
| timeless_mbp | but there were lots of very stupid questions | 22:06 |
| CosmoHill | "where am I" | 22:06 |
| timeless_mbp | amateurish | 22:06 |
| CosmoHill | "who are you?"{ | 22:06 |
| CosmoHill | "are you my mummy?" | 22:06 |
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| texrat | CosmoHill, i am contributing ;p | 22:10 |
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| w00t | RST38h: yes, I wouldn't be running the meeting if I wasn't | 22:23 |
| RST38h | w00t: So, you will be teaching classes? | 22:23 |
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| CosmoHill | how can you charge for classes that are designed to help an open source project? | 22:24 |
| w00t | RST38h: yes, I intend to | 22:24 |
| RST38h | w00t: Good luck then | 22:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | w00t: solvable problem :) | 22:30 |
| w00t | :-) | 22:32 |
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| texrat | leiner: hey | 22:33 |
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| CosmoHill | someone poke me when we get to mentoring | 22:33 |
| texrat | leinir: hey | 22:33 |
| leinir | texrat: Heyhey there :) | 22:34 |
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| leinir | Busy day! About to drop off bedwards :) | 22:36 |
| texrat | we are in #meego-meeting discussing developer outreach | 22:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | Venemo: you could let w00t talk before asking questions | 22:41 |
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| Venemo | timeless: sorry. | 22:43 |
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| leinir | texrat: Ooh, nicely :) | 22:44 |
| texrat | :) | 22:45 |
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| CosmoHill | I seem to be doing well with meetings :) | 22:48 |
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| texrat | CosmoHill: we are all so proud :p | 22:49 |
| CosmoHill | :D | 22:49 |
| CosmoHill | this is what happens when I pay attention :D | 22:49 |
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| texrat | what? I didn't catch that | 22:50 |
| texrat | FatalSaint:!!!!!! | 22:50 |
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| texrat | :) | 22:50 |
| FatalSaint | texrat! | 22:50 |
| CosmoHill | most of the meetings I've been watching TV or playing a game | 22:50 |
| texrat | I can finally attend-- had to fly to Tampere to do so | 22:50 |
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| FatalSaint | Methinks I missed a meeting | 22:50 |
| CosmoHill | FatalSaint: you mean the one ending in 10 mins? | 22:51 |
| texrat | fatalSaint we're in #meego-meeting | 22:51 |
| FatalSaint | lol if it ends in 10 minutes dont suppose joining now would do any good lol | 22:51 |
| FatalSaint | anything good come from it? | 22:51 |
| CosmoHill | we'll give you the logs | 22:51 |
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| * lcuk has something to say at the AOB | 22:53 | |
| FatalSaint | Cool. Thanks Cosmo. Sorry w00t for missing it. | 22:53 |
| w00t | FatalSaint: #meego-meeting | 22:53 |
| w00t | it's still ongoing | 22:53 |
| w00t | :) | 22:53 |
| FatalSaint | doesn't it end in a few minutes? | 22:53 |
| w00t | still fairly lively so far :) | 22:53 |
| w00t | I'll try give you a log afterwards though | 22:53 |
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| GAN900 | Yo, texrat. | 22:54 |
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| texrat | yo GAN900 | 22:54 |
| texrat | where you been? | 22:55 |
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| Venemo | texrat: if you don't mind my asking, are (/were/) you a Windows developer? | 22:56 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: what is AOB? | 22:56 |
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| lcuk | any other busines | 22:56 |
| lcuk | s | 22:56 |
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| texrat | GAN900: I accidentally closed window-- repeat please? | 22:56 |
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| GAN900 | texrat, what do you mean where you been? | 22:57 |
| GAN900 | Here. :P | 22:57 |
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| nf590 | hello | 22:57 |
| nf590 | how can i update chromium on meego 1.0? | 22:57 |
| lbt | karma is good! | 22:58 |
| CosmoHill | dur | 22:58 |
| lbt | texrat: ^^^ | 22:59 |
| timeless_mbp | infobot: aob? | 22:59 |
| timeless_mbp | infobot: aob is any other business | 22:59 |
| infobot | okay, timeless_mbp | 22:59 |
| CosmoHill | nf590: maybe "zypper update" ? | 22:59 |
| ali1234 | the way to fix karma is to let people have their karma, but don't provide any way to see a "leaderboard" etc | 22:59 |
| CosmoHill | from the command line | 22:59 |
| ali1234 | and also make it decay over time | 22:59 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Especially if it results in My Name Is Earl | 22:59 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: on the channel I'm in a bot keep karma | 23:00 |
| lbt | \o/ | 23:00 |
| CosmoHill | and you can see the karma for a person if you ask the bot | 23:00 |
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| Jaffa | Although, it's "Men Behaving Badly" night on Dave. w00t! | 23:00 |
| lbt | Randy 4ever | 23:00 |
| ali1234 | CosmoHill: i'm not saying don't show it at all. i'm just saying don't have a leaderboard | 23:00 |
| CosmoHill | typically the bot has gone missing | 23:00 |
| Jaffa | lbt: scratch it into a tree ;-p | 23:00 |
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| * lbt is grinning just thinking of my name is Earl | 23:01 | |
| texrat | lol | 23:01 |
| Jaffa | "Y'know, a woman? What you and Tony call 'people with shirt potatoes'" | 23:01 |
| nf590 | CosmoHill: reading installed packages... nothing to do. | 23:01 |
| CosmoHill | w00t_: stop admitting liability :p\ | 23:01 |
| nf590 | it seems all up to date | 23:02 |
| CosmoHill | maybe "upgrade"? | 23:02 |
| w00t | hehe | 23:02 |
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| Stskeeps | FatalSaint: ping | 23:03 |
| FatalSaint | Stskeeps: pong | 23:03 |
| CosmoHill | w00t_: might be time to end the meeting in 10 mins or so | 23:03 |
| CosmoHill | (if you want to that is) | 23:03 |
| texrat | I am so full of pizza and ice cream... | 23:04 |
| texrat | oh and I had a big drink of Jaffa yesterday :D | 23:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | so | 23:04 |
| texrat | pupnik! | 23:05 |
| CosmoHill | Jaffa? | 23:05 |
| timeless_mbp | who represents MeeGo marketing ? | 23:05 |
| texrat | my mom | 23:05 |
| cybette | pupnik :) | 23:05 |
| CosmoHill | satan | 23:05 |
| timeless_mbp | because oreilly can't spell MeeGo | 23:05 |
| Jaffa | texrat: The small ones are more juicy :-p | 23:05 |
| CosmoHill | or satian | 23:05 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, peter still? | 23:05 |
| CosmoHill | I can't tell the difference :/ | 23:05 |
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| w00t_ | Venemo: hmm? | 23:06 |
| texrat | Jaffa it's so frigging humid in Tampere i needed a big one | 23:06 |
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| CosmoHill | FatalSaint: http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-07-05-18.59.log.html | 23:06 |
| Venemo | w00t_: what hmm? | 23:06 |
| FatalSaint | TY Cosmo | 23:06 |
| Jaffa | texrat: Sorry. Too much wine to read that with a straight face. | 23:06 |
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| texrat | lol | 23:06 |
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| texrat | intended | 23:06 |
| Jaffa | Goodo. | 23:06 |
| w00t_ | Venemo: forum.meego.com question | 23:07 |
| Venemo | w00t: | 23:07 |
| texrat | I made the most embarassing goof on Anssi Vanjoki's articles comments | 23:07 |
| texrat | I meant to say the community was hard on him (tough) but I said "hard IN you" | 23:07 |
| texrat | oh geez | 23:07 |
| Venemo | w00t_: it was an answer to "Where is the "central part" of this now - is it the mailing list?" | 23:07 |
| texrat | there's no erasing that | 23:08 |
| Venemo | texrat: anyone can make such a misspell | 23:08 |
| texrat | yeah but | 23:08 |
| cybette | texrat: tsk tsk what were you thinking ;) | 23:08 |
| texrat | shaddap you | 23:08 |
| cybette | :X | 23:08 |
| texrat | I think I was watching some Finnish beauty when I typed it | 23:09 |
| lcuk | haha | 23:09 |
| texrat | I blame old age and distance from home | 23:09 |
| Jaffa | texrat: Good trip, then? ;-) | 23:09 |
| texrat | excellent jaffa | 23:09 |
| lcuk | texrat, you mustv been watching the wife carrying competition | 23:09 |
| Jaffa | texrat: Out of sight, out of mind, eh? ;-) | 23:09 |
| texrat | *maybe* a job offer | 23:09 |
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| Jaffa | texrat: Oooh. Cool | 23:09 |
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| texrat | but next year... we'll see | 23:10 |
| * CosmoHill offers ice cream | 23:10 | |
| * lcuk accepts and goes reading book | 23:10 | |
| CosmoHill | damn Dell monitor | 23:10 |
| * texrat burps after good ice cream | 23:11 | |
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| CosmoHill | the input is YPbPr, not RGB | 23:11 |
| CosmoHill | so why does it ask every time | 23:11 |
| pupnik | hey texrat! | 23:12 |
| pupnik | how has akademy been? | 23:12 |
| CosmoHill | how old is meego now? | 23:12 |
| CosmoHill | 3 months and 5 days? | 23:12 |
| cybette | here's the icecream texrat had: http://www.nestle-nordic.com/valiojaatelo/aino/products/homepackages/Aino+Karpalo+Kinuski.htm | 23:13 |
| pupnik | that looks rather sinful | 23:13 |
| cybette | i'm trying to resist... | 23:13 |
| pupnik | did you see any touch-ui stuff for meego? | 23:14 |
| pupnik | (netbook) | 23:14 |
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| * texrat plans to stuff ice cream package into cybette's purse tomorrow | 23:14 | |
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| texrat | pupnik man wish you were here, it's been great | 23:15 |
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| pupnik | http://www.cio.com.au/article/351250/intel_meego_os_shown_multitouch_tablet/ | 23:15 |
| cybette | pupnik: not at the conference | 23:15 |
| pupnik | ok so it's all what, QT? | 23:16 |
| texrat | some | 23:16 |
| * cybette hides purse from texrat | 23:16 | |
| alterego | texrat: found your recent posts very interesting :) | 23:17 |
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| alterego | And I liked your talk on day 1 :) | 23:17 |
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| texrat | alterego: thanks! | 23:17 |
| cybette | pupnik: well it's aKademy, so Kde stuff | 23:17 |
| texrat | I will have a better talk for meeGo in November | 23:17 |
| cybette | today is Qt workshop though | 23:17 |
| alterego | I didn't realize how far you invisaged the user feedback system going. | 23:17 |
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| texrat | cybette I may skip tomorrow, not much interest | 23:17 |
| texrat | may goof around tampere | 23:18 |
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| alterego | The introduction of games and everything seems an extremely good idea. | 23:18 |
| texrat | agreed alterego | 23:18 |
| cybette | texrat: good idea. enjoy the nice weather :) | 23:18 |
| texrat | I got to talk with leinir of Gluon a lot about that | 23:18 |
| alterego | And the semantic web is something that I'm very enthused and interested in, which kind of sounds like it could be a good way to go with this. | 23:18 |
| pupnik | meego 1.1 pre-alpha tablet demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4vv7yFaqxw | 23:18 |
| texrat | whoever brings the Steam experience to mobile successfully will kick ass | 23:18 |
| texrat | yes alterego I didn't touch on semantic web but you are right on targtet | 23:19 |
| texrat | target* | 23:19 |
| alterego | I don't have much experience with Steam, I've got an XBox and like the fact I don't have to do anything. | 23:19 |
| texrat | yes, Xbox Live is another example | 23:19 |
| alterego | But on the other hand, linking in things like social networking and maybe game reviews + rating might also be an interesting idea. | 23:19 |
| texrat | where is my mobile Live lobby? :) | 23:19 |
| alterego | Heh | 23:20 |
| texrat | yes! | 23:20 |
| pupnik | Leinir of Gluon sounds like a norse warrior-king shrunk to subatomic size. | 23:20 |
| texrat | lol pupnik | 23:20 |
| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/bobby.jpg << doggy :D | 23:20 |
| leinir | pupnik: Why thank you! *giggles* :) | 23:20 |
| texrat | he goes barefoot everywhere and got rejected from a restaurant yesterday | 23:20 |
| pupnik | yvw :) | 23:20 |
| texrat | poor guy | 23:20 |
| alterego | But yeah, I'd love to help, so I'm sure we'll talk again about it. :) | 23:20 |
| leinir | Tehee :) | 23:20 |
| texrat | we are planning a discrimination suit | 23:20 |
| leinir | Hey, we found a much nicer place, with nice atmosphere and such :) | 23:21 |
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| texrat | ok alterego, looking forward! | 23:21 |
| texrat | yes we did leinir | 23:21 |
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| texrat | and only a little glass | 23:21 |
| leinir | *giggles* Yeah - all avoidable problems ;) | 23:21 |
| pupnik | i really like that out-of-the way vietnamese place in tampere (near city hall) | 23:22 |
| texrat | oooo! | 23:22 |
| texrat | I want Vietnamese in tampere! | 23:23 |
| texrat | yum | 23:23 |
| pupnik | cybette must treat | 23:23 |
| cybette | yeah i thought of that place | 23:23 |
| texrat | I love vietnamese spring rolls | 23:23 |
| texrat | and sate chicken | 23:23 |
| texrat | crap w00t, sorry, accidentally closed your window | 23:24 |
| cybette | but the calzone we had today was nice too | 23:25 |
| texrat | o ya | 23:25 |
| texrat | huge | 23:25 |
| texrat | I can't believe cybette ate 2 | 23:25 |
| anidel | Calzone ? in Tampere? | 23:25 |
| texrat | sure anidel | 23:25 |
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| cybette | i ate one!! | 23:25 |
| * anidel wonders | 23:25 | |
| texrat | it was the best Italian food anywhere ;p | 23:25 |
| cybette | anidel: in bella roma | 23:26 |
| texrat | I don't think anyone in Italy could do better | 23:26 |
| texrat | we're talking magnifico | 23:26 |
| * texrat waits for outburst | 23:26 | |
| pupnik | hmph, takes texrat to the *good* places | 23:26 |
| anidel | texrat :) we'll see about that :p | 23:26 |
| anidel | ehhe | 23:26 |
| * anidel invites Texrat and Cybette to Naples for the real calzone :D | 23:27 | |
| * texrat accepts if anidel pays | 23:27 | |
| * anidel fun fact: did you know that "calzone" means "pants" in Italian ? | 23:27 | |
| texrat | invite pupnik too! | 23:27 |
| * anidel pays (a calzone is usually very cheap anyway :p) | 23:27 | |
| texrat | no no, the flight :p | 23:28 |
| * anidel doesn't pay a cent | 23:28 | |
| cybette | pupnik: we'll go next time. i didn't know they had calzone. i usually just go there for pizza | 23:28 |
| * lcuk waves @ anidel | 23:28 | |
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| * anidel waves back @ lcuk | 23:28 | |
| * texrat mistakes lcuk's hand for bird, fires | 23:28 | |
| TSCHAKeee2 | mmmm, would love a real napolitan pizza or calzone, right now... | 23:28 |
| pupnik | wow google maps has pretty ocean floors for the sea now | 23:28 |
| cybette | anidel: which part of italy? | 23:28 |
| lcuk | OMG :( MOAR fingers gone | 23:29 |
| pupnik | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=naples+italy | 23:29 |
| pupnik | you cuttin em off again lcuk ? | 23:29 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | but i guess i will settle for a batch of my evol southern fried chicken | 23:29 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | ;) | 23:29 |
| lcuk | pupnik, texrat just shot em | 23:29 |
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| anidel | cybette: I'm from very near Pompeii | 23:29 |
| texrat | accident, I swear | 23:29 |
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| lcuk | anidel, how is canada | 23:30 |
| * cybette longs to visit italy | 23:30 | |
| * pupnik looking at Napoli pics | 23:30 | |
| texrat | hey guys check this out, only in the US: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/July-4-Fireworks-Man-Blows-Arm-Off-With-Independence-Day-Fireworks-And-Horses-Bolt-And-Kill-Woman/Article/201007115659655?lpos=World_News_Second_Home_Page_Article_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15659655_July_4_Fireworks%3A_Man_Blows_Arm_Off_With_Independence_Day_Fireworks_And_Horses_Bolt_And_Kill_Woman | 23:30 |
| cybette | pupnik: let's go there | 23:30 |
| pupnik | :) | 23:30 |
| lcuk | i can tell by the link this isnt going to be pleasurable | 23:30 |
| * anidel misses Naples :( | 23:30 | |
| pupnik | no, we're not in the same room :P | 23:30 |
| lcuk | so they have a video showing fireworks and music! | 23:31 |
| anidel | lcuk: quite nice indeed :) like it so far.. miss pizza though | 23:31 |
| lcuk | oooh that firework is a lovely shade of red | 23:31 |
| texrat | ... | 23:31 |
| * anidel went to Portland, OR this week end.. should have stopped at Intel and wave to the MeeGo guys | 23:31 | |
| texrat | read the frigging story | 23:31 |
| lcuk | anidel, of course you miss pizza | 23:31 |
| anidel | lcuk hard to find it here.. I found few very good places when I was in London though :) | 23:32 |
| pupnik | not interested in talking about that same stupid event that the press has decided is interesting, texrat | 23:32 |
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| pupnik | and that is flooding all channels in irc | 23:32 |
| texrat | sorry pupnik | 23:32 |
| lcuk | anidel, then you do what other italians do when they cant find good food: | 23:32 |
| lcuk | make your own! | 23:32 |
| pupnik | np, just explaining | 23:32 |
| anidel | lcuk: cook our own | 23:32 |
| anidel | yeah :) my partner's a good cook ! | 23:33 |
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| pupnik | anidel: what food do you miss when away from italy? | 23:33 |
| anidel | lcuk: but usually italians simply complain :) | 23:33 |
| lcuk | \o/ anidel good job | 23:33 |
| anidel | pupnik: long list :) | 23:33 |
| anidel | but I am happy I found out they sell rapini here in Canada!!! I LOVE them and was missing them in London (hard to find and expensive) | 23:34 |
| * cybette misses real chinese food | 23:34 | |
| lcuk | heh | 23:34 |
| anidel | anyway, don't make Anidel start on food :) | 23:34 |
| * texrat misses girl scout cookies... the onesw made from real girl scouts | 23:35 | |
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| anidel | or we'll have to open a MeeGo-Food channel :P | 23:35 |
| cybette | lol @ texrat | 23:35 |
| anidel | any Canadian from Quebec? | 23:35 |
| texrat | anidel is bringing snaks to the meego summit | 23:35 |
| anidel | if they pay the flight to Dublin | 23:36 |
| cybette | i don't think it's just meego channel, people inadvertently mentions food in most channels | 23:36 |
| cybette | and then i'll get hungry | 23:36 |
| cybette | stupid power of suggestion | 23:36 |
| * texrat sends mental ice cream wakes out | 23:36 | |
| dD0T | I heard someone mention cookies? | 23:36 |
| texrat | er waves | 23:36 |
| anidel | but if you find an Italian on that channel when they happen to talk about food.. then he won't stop | 23:36 |
| pupnik | did you try wasabe pringles yet texrat ? | 23:36 |
| texrat | ooo | 23:36 |
| pupnik | :) | 23:37 |
| texrat | wasabe! | 23:37 |
| texrat | good for sinuses | 23:37 |
| texrat | not yet | 23:37 |
| cybette | texrat: help yourself, kitchen counter | 23:37 |
| texrat | hee | 23:37 |
| cybette | two of the cans are already empty though... | 23:37 |
| cybette | :P | 23:37 |
| pupnik | that's pretty good willpower | 23:37 |
| texrat | woo! | 23:37 |
| cybette | :D | 23:37 |
| texrat | I just flamed my brain | 23:38 |
| pupnik | texrat, need a hankerchief? | 23:38 |
| pupnik | haha | 23:38 |
| texrat | not yet | 23:38 |
| cybette | pupnik: did you find them in butzbach? | 23:38 |
| texrat | a bucket maybe | 23:38 |
| texrat | oo there go the lips | 23:38 |
| pupnik | um not yet sorry | 23:38 |
| * texrat reminds self to keep finger from eye | 23:39 | |
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| Savago | Hello there, good afternoon. :-) | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | good afternoon | 23:39 |
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| texrat | and good evening from sunny-at-night tampere! | 23:40 |
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| cybette | yeah it's almost midnight. damn. | 23:40 |
| Savago | I noticed that there is in meego website (http://meego.com/developers/ui-design-guidelines/handset/designing-your-application) some UI design work. | 23:40 |
| pupnik | oh ty Savago | 23:40 |
| texrat | uh oh there go the wasabe pringles... and my lips | 23:40 |
| * anidel goes back to work.. ttyl | 23:40 | |
| Savago | And I was wondering if those concepts would be implemented in libmeegotouch? | 23:40 |
| Savago | pupnik, hi there! :-) | 23:41 |
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| pupnik | "don’t hide distinct functions below the fold line because people may not understand they need to scroll to find that feature." | 23:41 |
| pupnik | good stuff | 23:41 |
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| texrat | hear hear pupnik! N900 violates that | 23:42 |
| texrat | "oh shit-- there are MOAR options????" | 23:42 |
| texrat | "below the screen edge?" | 23:42 |
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| Venemo | texrat: this is a serious usability issue | 23:43 |
| w00t_ | doesn't like, every stock maemo application violate that? :P | 23:43 |
| timeless_mbp | which reminds me | 23:43 |
| Venemo | texrat: without the presence of a scrollbar, why would you even think of scrolling down? | 23:43 |
| * timeless_mbp needs to file bugs about the meego first run experience | 23:43 | |
| timeless_mbp | (it's awful) | 23:43 |
| texrat | Venemo, I fully agree | 23:43 |
| texrat | it SUCKS | 23:43 |
| Venemo | texrat: agreed | 23:44 |
| w00t_ | timeless_mbp: handset, or netbook UX? | 23:44 |
| Venemo | texrat: btw, (I think you just left the room when I asked), are you a Windows developer? | 23:44 |
| w00t_ | (both? :-)) | 23:44 |
| texrat | as long as the scroll need is very apparent, no problem | 23:44 |
| timeless_mbp | "it didn't say" | 23:44 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/meego/firstrun/ | 23:44 |
| timeless_mbp | you tell me if you can figure out which UX it was :) | 23:44 |
| texrat | venemo yes, i am ashamed to admit i am :D | 23:45 |
| timeless_mbp | *from looking at it* | 23:45 |
| timeless_mbp | *not based on prior knowledge* | 23:45 |
| Venemo | texrat: no shame in that... I'm one, too :) | 23:45 |
| texrat | lol | 23:45 |
| w00t_ | timeless_mbp: netbook | 23:45 |
| dive | just out of interest, why target Windows devs more than Linux or Mac? | 23:45 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t_: and which line of that UX said "this is the netbook UX" | 23:45 |
| texrat | venemo I am in a 12 step program for it though | 23:45 |
| timeless_mbp | there isn't one in any of those pictures afaict | 23:45 |
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| texrat | the goal is Qt :D | 23:45 |
| timeless_mbp | and i'm serious | 23:45 |
| Venemo | texrat: and what environment do you use on Windows? | 23:45 |
| timeless_mbp | just because you can divine something based on a crappy thing | 23:45 |
| w00t_ | timeless_mbp: none, but I cheated | 23:45 |
| w00t_ | (I've used netbook) | 23:45 |
| timeless_mbp | and i told you not to cheat! | 23:46 |
| w00t_ | (and I totally agre) | 23:46 |
| GAN900 | Clearly we need more energizing community events. | 23:46 |
| texrat | venemo VB.Net | 23:46 |
| timeless_mbp | i need to check to see if i have osol first run pictures | 23:46 |
| timeless_mbp | i think i do, because i'm fairly certain i've filed bugs for it | 23:46 |
| w00t_ | GAN900: o/ | 23:46 |
| pupnik | i can't tell which timeless_mbp | 23:46 |
| w00t_ | timeless_mbp: even if I didn't know | 23:46 |
| pupnik | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/meego/firstrun/date%20time.png that's wider than i'd expect from handheld | 23:46 |
| w00t_ | the size of the UI gives it away | 23:46 |
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| w00t_ | (and the horrible calendar widget) | 23:47 |
| timeless_mbp | pupnik: it's horrible | 23:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | it should be vertically stacked | 23:47 |
| texrat | damn sensitive window tab... grrr... | 23:47 |
| Venemo | w00t_: btw, there is a tablet UX, too | 23:47 |
| Venemo | w00t_: which is totally awesome | 23:47 |
| w00t_ | is there? | 23:47 |
| w00t_ | where's the code? | 23:47 |
| timeless_mbp | and they shouldn't use rows for the time stuff | 23:47 |
| GAN900 | None of our community channels have looked like this in a long time. :P | 23:47 |
| w00t_ | (iotw: until they release it, no there f&***"% isn't) | 23:47 |
| Venemo | texrat: ah, I'm happy to see another .NET person in here :) (although I'm a C# dev) | 23:47 |
| * texrat blames texrat | 23:47 | |
| w00t_ | GAN900: nothing like controversy and discussion to bring out the best.. :) | 23:48 |
| Venemo | w00t_: there are a couple of videos about it where Intel people show it off | 23:48 |
| texrat | hyperactive SOB | 23:48 |
| w00t_ | Venemo: yeah, I was being a bit sarcastic | 23:48 |
| Venemo | w00t_: yeah, I know | 23:48 |
| texrat | well RST38h was fun | 23:48 |
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| Venemo | w00t_: noone has seen the code of the tablet UX yet, that is true | 23:48 |
| Venemo | w00t_: but I hope that we will be able to switch to that UX if we don't like the handset one | 23:49 |
| texrat | the meego meeting was nice and lively | 23:49 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: for the record, my current conversation is not related to -meeting | 23:49 |
| w00t_ | Venemo: I'd rather hope that we can improve the handset UX one to address what we dislike about it, but yeah :) | 23:50 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, I was mostly talking about Akademy. | 23:50 |
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| GAN900 | Positive energy is sorely lacking. | 23:51 |
| GAN900 | Events like that always help | 23:51 |
| GAN900 | So we need more of them. | 23:51 |
| pupnik | :) | 23:52 |
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| Venemo | w00t_: heh. well, I liked the handset UX, but it was worse than the current Hildon UI | 23:52 |
| Venemo | btw, is it an option to port Hildon to MeeGo? :P | 23:53 |
| w00t_ | GAN900: you going to meego summit btw? | 23:53 |
| w00t_ | Venemo: see meego-dev archives.. there has been a few people discussing it | 23:53 |
| w00t_ | long story short: technically possible yes | 23:53 |
| w00t_ | financially possible yes | 23:53 |
| w00t_ | manpower feasibly no | 23:53 |
| w00t_ | (i.e. nobody seems to want to actually do it) | 23:53 |
| Venemo | w00t_: well, for the time being, there is no point in that, either | 23:54 |
| texrat | GAN900 I may have missed something-- what was the Akademy comment related to? | 23:54 |
| w00t_ | well I'd say there is a point - developer engagement and retention | 23:54 |
| w00t_ | but.. if nobody steps up to the plate there | 23:55 |
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| w00t_ | it isn't really going to happen | 23:55 |
| texrat | nvm GAN900 think I got it | 23:55 |
| Venemo | w00t_: yes. but would any end users actually use Hildon on MeeGo? | 23:55 |
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| pupnik | GAN900: are you referring to this chatroom? | 23:55 |
| w00t_ | if they use apps using Hildon (i.e. Maemo ports) - yes | 23:55 |
| Venemo | w00t_: hm. so you're talking about libhildon rather than the entire Hildon desktop? | 23:56 |
| w00t_ | yes | 23:56 |
| w00t_ | porting hildon-desktop would also be possible, though I'd argue that it would be easier to fix what exists and runs now than to try remove Maemo bits and rewrite to new updated APIs | 23:57 |
| w00t_ | (I took a look at hildon-desktop, it is possible, but a nontrivial amount of work) | 23:57 |
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| Venemo | w00t_: because from what we've seen in the handset UX videos, the pre-alpha is much less eye-candy than Hildon | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | it's just not very themed | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:57 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: hehe :) | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | dui/meegotouch should be very flexible | 23:58 |
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| RST38h | Who told you it can be themed? =) | 23:58 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: and the 'mascots' - the two little human figures - are just ridiculous | 23:58 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: someone's been feeding you marketing koolaid I see :-P | 23:58 |
| pupnik | how about instead we use home star runner themes ui Venemo | 23:58 |
| w00t_ | Venemo: that's entirely down to theming though, not the software | 23:58 |
| Venemo | I was also missing the option to add widgets / stuff to the desktop(s ?) | 23:58 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: BTW, have they figured it out between Symbian and Maemo whose Qt-derived framework will be used? | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i vote motif | 23:58 |
| Venemo | do we know if it will be even possible? | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: go check the features database? | 23:59 |
| * RST38h votes EMULib, with the cool ZXSpectrum fonts | 23:59 | |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: okay, do you have a link? | 23:59 |
| * RST38h should probably hide somewhere safe now, just in case | 23:59 | |
| w00t_ | Venemo: http://bugs.meego.com | 23:59 |
| texrat | lol | 23:59 |
| RST38h | Day's work finished though, time to hit the bed | 23:59 |
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| Venemo | w00t_: LoL! I'm looking for a feature, not a bug :P | 23:59 |
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