| Junnu | to make some apps for the meego i have to install linux with the meego sdk? not possible with the qt creator? | 00:00 |
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| Sage | w00t_: I think there is more than 1.0 + handset ux eventhough that was the original plan. | 00:00 |
| w00t_ | Junnu: the two are different things.. as I understand it, for platform development, you'll want the meego SDK.. for apps development - you'll want the Creator SDK | 00:01 |
| Sage | Because if that would have been just 1.0+handset they would have not released more than the handset repo, right? | 00:01 |
| * w00t_ has no idea what actually got released, he just built images of it. :-P | 00:02 | |
| Sage | I don't mind if there has been other development as well in the addition to the handset. | 00:02 |
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| Junnu | "MeeGo applications are written in C++ using the MeeGo SDK, which includes Qt 4.6.2. " | 00:04 |
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| Sage | well, that latest "release" includes qt 4.7 prerelease. | 00:05 |
| Kaadlajk | handheld image has Qt 4.7 and it has no proper SDK | 00:05 |
| Kaadlajk | handset :-0 | 00:06 |
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| Junnu | hmm...sdk should be on the way if there is going to be meego phone release soon | 00:07 |
| Junnu | http://qt.nokia.com/developer/qt-qtcreator-prerelease/ | 00:09 |
| Kaadlajk | you can build your own chroot http://wiki.meego.com/Building_a_MeeGo_chroot_on_Linux | 00:10 |
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| lbt | anyone around here know about partx and device-mapper | 00:28 |
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| zoddo | how can I set the cpu frequence? my netbook uses 800 khz and it's quite unuseful | 00:34 |
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| CosmoHill | in the BIOS? | 00:36 |
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| zoddo | i will try, thanks! | 00:39 |
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| Aard | oh well. was just going to tell him that cpu frequency probably will increase an load, as most likely on-demand cpufreq governor is loaded | 00:40 |
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| Kaadlajk | still 800khz :-0 | 00:41 |
| jausmus | MHz ;) | 00:42 |
| jausmus | your CPU speed should auto-increase based on CPU load | 00:42 |
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| CosmoHill | mine goes from 1.6Ghz to 2Ghz | 00:44 |
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| CosmoHill | I remember some idiot saying about how their computer wasn't running at full speed | 00:45 |
| CosmoHill | so the disabled the slow down feature | 00:45 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, like your new pooters | 00:45 |
| lcuk | are those installing in uni? | 00:45 |
| CosmoHill | yep | 00:45 |
| lcuk | cool | 00:45 |
| lcuk | i remember doing that over summer at my college | 00:45 |
| CosmoHill | I got told to move it today | 00:48 |
| CosmoHill | so I was walking up and down the corridor with computers on it | 00:49 |
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| CosmoHill | it was fine until i found out that 3 NECs are heavy | 00:51 |
| CosmoHill | so the feet stuck to the desk | 00:51 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:42 |
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| w00t_ | quiet night.. :) | 02:02 |
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| ScottishDuck | everyone is quietly weeping over their broken n900 | 02:04 |
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| lcuk | my n900 works better than ever :) | 02:06 |
| lcuk | why doesnt yours? | 02:06 |
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| skynets | stupid n900 | 02:08 |
| skynets | and meego is fail | 02:08 |
| skynets | cant wait to the the iphone | 02:09 |
| skynets | jailbreak it | 02:09 |
| skynets | and be a better phone in every aspect | 02:09 |
| lcuk | skynets, the n900 has maemo and meego and open source around it - every day it exists it grows stronger and more capable. | 02:10 |
| skynets | ok | 02:10 |
| skynets | its open source | 02:10 |
| skynets | wow | 02:11 |
| skynets | prove why open source is better (in this case) | 02:11 |
| skynets | its not actually | 02:11 |
| skynets | the iOS has proven that open source cant catch up to a closed comercial os like the iphone os | 02:11 |
| skynets | the more open source software tries to EMULATE the iphone | 02:11 |
| skynets | the more the fail | 02:11 |
| lcuk | because i get to write amazing things like this: http://liqbase.net/20100626_005.mp4 | 02:11 |
| skynets | they* | 02:11 |
| lcuk | and i do not look at what something is today, i look at what it can become | 02:12 |
| lcuk | you do not judge how the flowers in your garden will look based on the seeds | 02:12 |
| skynets | pretty smooth vid | 02:12 |
| lcuk | but anyway :) im off | 02:13 |
| skynets | cool | 02:13 |
| skynets | thats good | 02:13 |
| skynets | but the OS itself sucks | 02:13 |
| skynets | for mainstream | 02:13 |
| lcuk | the os is mostly by the community - you just complained at the whole world | 02:13 |
| lcuk | be a part of making it better | 02:13 |
| skynets | lol | 02:13 |
| skynets | no no | 02:13 |
| skynets | im against nokia for selling me a device that wasnt what i thought it was | 02:14 |
| skynets | i trusted them | 02:14 |
| skynets | and they ditched it | 02:14 |
| lcuk | waht did you think it was? | 02:14 |
| lcuk | ditched what? | 02:14 |
| skynets | wtf did 1.2 bring? im still getting major bugs | 02:14 |
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| lcuk | skynets, sure, but we squashed over 300 bugs to bring it | 02:15 |
| lcuk | but you may use a tiny fraction of the operating system so wouldnt notice every one | 02:15 |
| lcuk | we have extended your battery life and stabilised things and made space for your apps and got a whole new version of qt there | 02:16 |
| skynets | why did they ditch official meego support on the n900 | 02:16 |
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| lcuk | and set the ground for ovi interaction and new games and all sorts of stuff | 02:16 |
| skynets | why is ovi maps outdated | 02:16 |
| Robot101 | skynets: nothing was ditched, do you get angry at dell for not porting windows 7 to a PC you bought last year? | 02:16 |
| skynets | why is the ovi store so empty | 02:16 |
| lcuk | skynets, different concern - meego is not a direct nokia thing, its combined wit hlots of things | 02:16 |
| dive | any clues on how to resize the qemu nand image? I followed every howto I could find on the net and nothing works. I need space to install software and libs. | 02:16 |
| lcuk | and from what i see - theres no meego products anywhere | 02:16 |
| Robot101 | akoma1s: there's no requirement for every new software to come to every new device... | 02:16 |
| Robot101 | hrm, how did I screw that up | 02:17 |
| Robot101 | skynets: ^^ | 02:17 |
| lcuk | heh Robot101 \o evening | 02:17 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: evening, hows it going? | 02:17 |
| Robot101 | the pub we were at closed their garden at 11 so they closed the doors | 02:17 |
| Robot101 | everyone moved inside and it started getting reeeeeeeealy hot | 02:17 |
| lcuk | arggg not good | 02:17 |
| Robot101 | glad to be back at home with a fan on :) | 02:18 |
| GAN900 | No AC? :P | 02:18 |
| Robot101 | GAN900: it's not very common in the UK | 02:18 |
| GAN900 | Yeah, so I understand | 02:18 |
| Robot101 | I guess more in offices, but pubs, restaurants, etc... its not hot enough usually | 02:18 |
| skynets | its too bad that the n900 isnt in the competitive market... its more in a developper haven which focuses on producing stuff like remote controllig toy helicopters and making ps3 controllers instead of focusing on software that are any useful for mainstream... all 56 of them. | 02:18 |
| lcuk | ian was talkign about coming down next week Robot101 which nights are best for beer afterwards | 02:18 |
| Robot101 | or if it is, only for 4-6 weeks | 02:18 |
| GAN900 | A building without AC here is 1 in 1000 | 02:18 |
| lcuk | skynets, i really want remote controlled helicopters | 02:19 |
| lcuk | REALLY :D | 02:19 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, old fashioned pubs dont even cool the beer! | 02:19 |
| Robot101 | skynets: the N900 was, unfortunately, positioned as kinda technology demo - for whatever reason, commercial, strategic, etc, they decided not to promote it as a full Nxx or Nx device, and to do more work on the platform before putting a lot of marketing behind it :( | 02:20 |
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| Robot101 | skynets: so, the ovi store (and lack of developer buy-in) is all a follow-on from that | 02:20 |
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| lcuk | Robot101, talk to you later about next week | 02:20 |
| GAN900 | Because Nokia management is silly | 02:20 |
| Robot101 | they've not missold or mislead IMO, it's a phone where there's an Xterm out of the box and a platform with its own open source community, and it's a pretty solid product for what it's sold to do | 02:21 |
| Robot101 | but you can't expect the iphone appstore to appear on it if they cancelled the platform when they released the device | 02:21 |
| skynets | the result of all this is what? those who payed 500-800 bucks for their phone end up with an outdated brick with people jumping ship before the phone is a worthless unsupported failure | 02:21 |
| skynets | those jumping ship include the very few developpers | 02:21 |
| Robot101 | people can flash unsupported meego builds on their N900 and develop for that platform | 02:21 |
| skynets | why cant they fix the freakin slow app manager? | 02:21 |
| skynets | why is it so slowwwwwwwwwwwww | 02:22 |
| Robot101 | the phone doesn't turn into a brick because there aren't loads of apps, or magical constant updates | 02:22 |
| Robot101 | very few phone vendors have *any* updates or apps | 02:22 |
| Robot101 | the entire industry is falling over themselves to try and be more like apple | 02:22 |
| Robot101 | but nobody actually, er, did it yet | 02:22 |
| Robot101 | and nokia is unfortunately no exception here | 02:22 |
| Robot101 | and yeah, I think they totally should've done it for the N900, but their failure to do so doesn't render it useless or worthless | 02:22 |
| Robot101 | it's an awesome device, I use mine all day every day and love it and wouldn't switch it for anything else in a hurry atm | 02:23 |
| skynets | when its worthless to mainstream, its value declines... i bet its still gold for developpers but in the real world this phone tends to be useless for everyday tasks considering the price ppl are still paying | 02:23 |
| Robot101 | it's a reference platform for meego still | 02:23 |
| skynets | the best thing about this phone is the FM transmitter | 02:24 |
| Robot101 | it will get unofficial meego builds, but they are for developers | 02:24 |
| Robot101 | and yes, I love that :) | 02:24 |
| Robot101 | I don't find it useless for any of the tasks I do | 02:24 |
| Robot101 | and I'm not a developer, I'm a manager now :P | 02:24 |
| w00t_ | (suit!) | 02:24 |
| skynets | Robot101, its so unreliable.. the os feels flimsy | 02:24 |
| skynets | theres something about it that makes it feel cheap and unfinished | 02:24 |
| Robot101 | support has not ended for it, file bugs | 02:25 |
| skynets | no fucking equalizer | 02:25 |
| skynets | come on | 02:25 |
| Robot101 | what the fuck phone has an equalizer? come on. | 02:25 |
| skynets | open source? so why the delay in an equalizer | 02:25 |
| skynets | i listen to music | 02:25 |
| skynets | with earphones | 02:25 |
| ScottishDuck | no gapless playback | 02:25 |
| Robot101 | open source is not about choice here, it's a means to an end for a corporation. | 02:25 |
| ScottishDuck | :( | 02:25 |
| Robot101 | if you want an equalizer or gapless playback, you actually /can/ do something about it on the N900 | 02:26 |
| Robot101 | unlike a lot of other stuff | 02:26 |
| skynets | but why go through all this trouble | 02:26 |
| Robot101 | but to call the device unusable because it doesn't have an equalizer, you're just being a weenie | 02:26 |
| skynets | other phones already have that feature | 02:26 |
| ScottishDuck | it is unstable | 02:26 |
| skynets | no wasting 5 hours installing someting so that it MIGHT work | 02:26 |
| ScottishDuck | mine crashes when the battery goes too low | 02:26 |
| skynets | no no its not because of that specific feature | 02:26 |
| ScottishDuck | and it has huge slowdowns | 02:26 |
| Robot101 | for me it has e-mail, irc, IM, maps (google maps!), syncml, twitter, facebook, I can check train times, etc | 02:26 |
| skynets | but its among so many shits that annoy me | 02:27 |
| Robot101 | and I listen to music on it all the time | 02:27 |
| * w00t_ is in a similar boat to Robot101 | 02:27 | |
| skynets | yeah me too but the quality sucks when you cant adjust the frequencies | 02:27 |
| w00t_ | although I don't really listen to music | 02:27 |
| Robot101 | if you just don't like it as a product, just return it - that's not because it doesn't run meego, because I can guarantee you - meego won't improve these things if nokia or intel don't also start to consider them a priority | 02:28 |
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| Robot101 | nobody sold it to you as a meego device, if you don't like maemo 5 or the n900 then fine, at least consider it on its own merits | 02:28 |
| Robot101 | but complaining to the people here is kind of nonsense | 02:28 |
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| w00t_ | I actually wrote something on this topic earlier tonight | 02:29 |
| * w00t_ fishes | 02:29 | |
| Robot101 | like, none of the Mac OS 9 machines could run Mac OS 10 when it came out, and nobody expected them to either | 02:29 |
| Robot101 | and afaict, the mobile phone industry is lagging the computer industry by 5-10 years | 02:29 |
| dive | so any clues on how to resize the qemu nand image? | 02:29 |
| w00t_ | first half of http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=739053&postcount=47 | 02:29 |
| Robot101 | don't get me started on TVs :P | 02:29 |
| aloisiojr | anybody knows where can i find spec file of qt used in meego? | 02:29 |
| Robot101 | they're like 20 years behind | 02:29 |
| w00t_ | Robot101: in that evolution is a hell of a lot faster (and thus less stable) you mean? | 02:30 |
| w00t_ | aloisiojr: hrrm, you know, that's an interesting question | 02:30 |
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| skynets | Robot101 | 02:30 |
| skynets | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYnx0PUX7Do | 02:30 |
| skynets | check this out | 02:30 |
| GAN900 | Robot101, I'd disagree with the misleading | 02:30 |
| skynets | look how smooth it feels | 02:30 |
| GAN900 | There was a lot of advertising | 02:31 |
| skynets | it looks like a MULTIMEDIA phone | 02:31 |
| Robot101 | skynets: I don't have any flash atm, sorry | 02:31 |
| skynets | but it wasnt | 02:31 |
| Robot101 | blame adobe | 02:31 |
| Robot101 | hrm, I wonder if HTML5 will work | 02:31 |
| skynets | and because it wasent | 02:31 |
| skynets | most ppl had hopes for MeeGo | 02:31 |
| skynets | including me | 02:31 |
| skynets | hopes that it would fix that crap | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway eq typically is a feature to be integrated into the mp3/whatever decoder, as it's a brainfsck to convert from freq to time domain in mp3 playback, just to do another time to freq domain conversion for EQ, and then back to time domain on a third step | 02:32 |
| GAN900 | Robot101, and ALL of the current Mac OS 9 machines could run OS X. | 02:32 |
| GAN900 | :P | 02:32 |
| ScottishDuck | yeah | 02:32 |
| Robot101 | GAN900: ... current :P | 02:32 |
| GAN900 | Robot101, from 2000. :P | 02:32 |
| Robot101 | maybe when Maemo 6 ^W^W^WMeeGo-Harmattan comes out and then MeeGo does, then real MeeGo will run on it | 02:32 |
| GAN900 | But I ran 10.3 on my iMac Rev.D | 02:32 |
| aloisiojr | w00t_: it would be very nice if the meego obs was open | 02:32 |
| Robot101 | but Harmattan was already in the oven when MeeGo turned up | 02:33 |
| GAN900 | I just wish Nokia didn't insist on shooting themselves in the foot. | 02:33 |
| w00t_ | aloisiojr: hold on, downloading a few hundred mb to find out if my guess is right | 02:33 |
| Robot101 | GAN900: me too | 02:33 |
| skynets | look... android is a perfect example of a successful open source OS with a bright future | 02:33 |
| GAN900 | Because I'm burnt out on it | 02:33 |
| aloisiojr | w00t_: do you think the src.rpm has this file? | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | and afaiui there's an analog EQ inside the audio codec / mixer chip, that simply needs to be set up by the corresponfing ALSA sliders in amixer | 02:33 |
| w00t_ | aloisiojr: right, I am | 02:33 |
| Robot101 | skynets: hahahahahahahahaha | 02:33 |
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| w00t_ | aloisiojr: the srpms include specs | 02:33 |
| GAN900 | and wishing for an alternative that didn't require dealing with their BS | 02:33 |
| ScottishDuck | Nokia seems to be a company struggling with the way the phone industry is going | 02:33 |
| aloisiojr | tks god | 02:34 |
| GAN900 | The MyNokia response was just surreal. | 02:34 |
| aloisiojr | and tks w00t_ | 02:34 |
| ScottishDuck | Design, OS, Marketing | 02:34 |
| Robot101 | GAN900: I wish they hadn't shot themselves in the foot too | 02:34 |
| ScottishDuck | their just not getting it right | 02:34 |
| skynets | what | 02:34 |
| GAN900 | But that's what you get when dinosaurs are in charge. | 02:34 |
| skynets | Robot101, so you're saying that Android < Maemo???? | 02:34 |
| Robot101 | skynets: no, I'm saying android is not open source, in any way shape or form other than the license - no community or visibility or even /pretense/ of trying | 02:35 |
| skynets | what about nitdroid | 02:35 |
| skynets | hes working on what then | 02:35 |
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| Robot101 | nitdroit is not actually android, no device manufacturers ship it and support it... like mer or meego on an n900 or android for that matter | 02:35 |
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| ScottishDuck | Android does actually work though | 02:35 |
| Robot101 | you can do it but it proves nothing | 02:35 |
| GAN900 | Android is a joke | 02:35 |
| GAN900 | and evil | 02:35 |
| skynets | meh | 02:35 |
| Robot101 | maemo does actually work too, I really can do all the things I said I could | 02:36 |
| GAN900 | Google is an advertising company | 02:36 |
| skynets | success = evil | 02:36 |
| Robot101 | I don't just have a wooden block in my phone | 02:36 |
| GAN900 | At least Nokia is mostly interested in selling you a device | 02:36 |
| ScottishDuck | Only they broke the phone app with pr 1.2 | 02:36 |
| Robot101 | no, it's not about evil, it's about misselling. android was sold as open source but there's a distinction between the license and the governance, accountability and transparancy | 02:36 |
| w00t_ | GAN900: though MyNokia makes you wonder | 02:36 |
| Robot101 | the license is open, yes | 02:36 |
| Robot101 | the rest is totally not | 02:36 |
| GAN900 | Google sells a platform to operators and vendors and pushes their advertising | 02:36 |
| GAN900 | w00t_, yeah. . . . | 02:37 |
| Robot101 | google *said* this at the linux foundation collab summit | 02:37 |
| Robot101 | chris di bona had a keynote | 02:37 |
| Robot101 | he said, you guys give us crap about android | 02:37 |
| Robot101 | but basically, the community isn't you | 02:37 |
| skynets | wait... maemo isnt open source either.. thats why you need to file bug reports to nokia | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ScottishDuck: broke phone app? how? | 02:37 |
| Robot101 | it's our OEMs and people | 02:37 |
| GAN900 | Big companies are filled with people incapable of doing reasonable things | 02:37 |
| Robot101 | OEMs and manufacturers etc | 02:37 |
| w00t_ | skynets: all of it isn't, no, and that's part of the reason MeeGo is a step forward | 02:37 |
| Robot101 | skynets: nokia never said the closed bits of maemo were open though | 02:37 |
| ScottishDuck | DocScrutinizer: Screen turns on and off when the phone is ringing | 02:37 |
| ScottishDuck | known bug | 02:38 |
| ScottishDuck | annoying as hell | 02:38 |
| GAN900 | Robot101, then he tried to throw a tshirt at my head. :( | 02:38 |
| Robot101 | skynets: they have people actually sitting on the forums and at conferences and on IRC explaining and apologising for the closed bits | 02:38 |
| Robot101 | and trying to change it internally | 02:38 |
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| skynets | and if it was such a special phone.. why cant maemo be updated in parts... small files... like linux oses | 02:38 |
| Robot101 | google just turned up and said, ha, no its not open source for you guys and you can't see the roadmap | 02:38 |
| GAN900 | If only Nokia weren't the company. . . . | 02:38 |
| Robot101 | skynets: ehh... it can! | 02:38 |
| Robot101 | skynets: it uses .deb, its just like debian | 02:39 |
| Robot101 | thats how the app manager works | 02:39 |
| skynets | Robot101, can i do it now with the graphical interface | 02:39 |
| GAN900 | Managers are just stupid | 02:39 |
| ScottishDuck | Luckily Meego appears to have Intel in the driving seat | 02:39 |
| GAN900 | and release processes take forever to change. | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Robot101: the efforts to change internally are rather fruitless though | 02:39 |
| GAN900 | ScottishDuck, Intel is LESS open in a lot of ways. | 02:39 |
| w00t_ | ScottishDuck: I'm perplexed why you think that's a good thing | 02:39 |
| Robot101 | ScottishDuck: intel's proven track record of producing successful open source platforms...? | 02:39 |
| w00t_ | I'd rather *no* single company be in the "driving seat" | 02:39 |
| GAN900 | ScottishDuck, I find the Intel side of things to be much more difficult to work with than Nokia | 02:40 |
| Robot101 | ScottishDuck: nokia have been doing maemo (or osso before it) for 5-6 years. intel have been, er, cocking it up for 2-3. | 02:40 |
| GAN900 | That could be established raport, though. | 02:40 |
| Robot101 | intel have a lot to learn from nokia, but they might not realise it atm | 02:40 |
| w00t_ | Robot101: I suspect it does go two ways, though | 02:40 |
| Robot101 | w00t_: sure | 02:40 |
| w00t_ | Robot101: (as in they both could learn things) | 02:40 |
| GAN900 | A lot of things | 02:40 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: not really - the entire existence of maemo is the result of 4 or 5 guys who had a little R&D project and decided to go in a new direction | 02:40 |
| GAN900 | But they wont, or it'll be far too slowly. | 02:41 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: it's not impossible to /do/ or change anything in a large organisation, it's the timing which is awkward | 02:41 |
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| Robot101 | IME, working with nokia as a subcontractor for almost 5 years, they usually make the right technical decisions eventually | 02:41 |
| w00t_ | GAN900: naah.. steps in the right direction | 02:41 |
| Robot101 | but, they do it at the wrong time | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Robot101: obviously | 02:41 |
| Robot101 | between 6-12 months late on average | 02:41 |
| GAN900 | w00t_, always with the waiting, though | 02:41 |
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| ScottishDuck | Oh woops, I was under the impression that Intel provides the second most patches to the linux kernel, creates open source drivers and funds open source projects | 02:41 |
| Robot101 | their product / marketing focus is whack though | 02:41 |
| ScottishDuck | silly me | 02:41 |
| GAN900 | w00t_, you haven't been waiting since 2005. :P | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | see how long it takes to give me an easy start on bme | 02:41 |
| Robot101 | ScottishDuck: yes, hardware manufacturers in making drivers SHOCKER | 02:42 |
| Robot101 | ScottishDuck: for, er, desktop and server stuff | 02:42 |
| GAN900 | ScottishDuck, Intel sells to OEMs | 02:42 |
| ScottishDuck | Kernel, Xorg development | 02:42 |
| Robot101 | ScottishDuck: platforms these are not | 02:42 |
| GAN900 | Nokia sells to consumers. | 02:42 |
| w00t_ | ScottishDuck: so you haven't seen who has been funding things like oFono, ubifs, Qt, gtk+, ... | 02:42 |
| Robot101 | and mobile, they are not... | 02:42 |
| GAN900 | Different customers, different ways of doing business. | 02:42 |
| skynets | nokia ditched the n900... why is it more complicated that that? | 02:42 |
| Robot101 | they did kill the platform when they released the device | 02:43 |
| Robot101 | at least, kill it for any developers, pretty much | 02:43 |
| Robot101 | that's right, but it doesn't make the N900 into something other than what it was claimed to me, IMO | 02:43 |
| Robot101 | and nor does it mean nokia have done anything untoward by not supporting meego | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | skynets: Nokia ditched N900? | 02:44 |
| w00t_ | Robot101: I think they've actually been more supportive than I'd expect of a dead device | 02:44 |
| w00t_ | Robot101: there's an awful lot of people working on ARM adaptation for it | 02:44 |
| Robot101 | it does a hell of a lot less than meego does atm and will for the rest of the year and next year to come tbh | 02:44 |
| w00t_ | Robot101: (meego, that is) | 02:44 |
| Robot101 | er, more :P | 02:44 |
| skynets | wait | 02:44 |
| skynets | what can yo udo on the n900 | 02:44 |
| skynets | that you cant on an android phone | 02:45 |
| skynets | or a jailbroken iuphone | 02:45 |
| ScottishDuck | You can do a lot of things on the n900, a lot of badly implemented things, buggy things, unsupported things, battery draining things | 02:45 |
| skynets | forget about hte fm tuner | 02:45 |
| ScottishDuck | it's a dream | 02:45 |
| Robot101 | press ctrl+shift+x and get an xterm? become root by installing a manufacturer supported debian package? run gtk apps? | 02:45 |
| lcuk | skynets, i quite like the idea of porting maemomeego fully to iphone hardware | 02:46 |
| w00t_ | Robot101: don't forget replacing the actual OS (with relative ease) - e.g. nitdroid | 02:46 |
| Robot101 | come on IRC and bitch at people who actually care about it and explaining it to you for no apparent reason? | 02:46 |
| ScottishDuck | I didn't realize xterm was a killer app that you spend £500 to get | 02:46 |
| Robot101 | install extra backends and sign on to AIM, MSN, Yahoo... | 02:46 |
| skynets | Robot101, dont take it personally | 02:46 |
| Robot101 | and skype and SIP and XMPP out of the box | 02:46 |
| skynets | doesnt android have that | 02:46 |
| skynets | and sip aswell | 02:46 |
| Robot101 | no | 02:47 |
| Robot101 | not in the android address book it doesn't | 02:47 |
| Robot101 | built in to the device | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | skype... eeeew | 02:47 |
| Robot101 | run background processes? :P | 02:47 |
| skynets | whats the difference | 02:47 |
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| skynets | install an app and voila | 02:47 |
| Robot101 | I press the phone, choose a contact, and choose how to call them | 02:47 |
| skynets | u cant do the same for the equalizer on the n900 | 02:47 |
| Robot101 | not, choose skype then run it and see if they're online | 02:47 |
| * kaus slaps sevla around a bit with a large trout | 02:47 | |
| Robot101 | it's called integration | 02:47 |
| kaus | oops | 02:47 |
| w00t_ | skynets: you were saying that you shouldn't have to "spend 5 hours finding and installing an app" a short while ago, which is it? | 02:47 |
| Robot101 | run background processes? :P | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | skynets: I mentioned above there's probably a hw EQ on N900 and you just need to *use* it | 02:48 |
| Robot101 | look, the bottom line is, a) this is a meego channel, not to do with the N900, and b) if you'd rather have an android phone than an N900, why did you get an N900? nobody said it would support meego, and you could've gone to #maemo before buying it and asking. :P | 02:48 |
| ScottishDuck | w00t_: are you seriously trying to claim maemo app manager is the equivalent to android market? | 02:48 |
| w00t_ | ScottishDuck: I think you need to re-read what I said | 02:49 |
| Robot101 | and if nitdroit makes you so happy, install that, and watch how much support google gives you | 02:49 |
| w00t_ | ScottishDuck: and look at the context of the conversation | 02:49 |
| skynets | w00t_, the n900 app manager is extremely slow and the way you install software from it is so stupid. wait 2 minutes for hte repos to load, then click on the file, ACCEPT the terms everytime.. wait for the download, then the install... then when its done, all the repos reload again.. then you get the the desktop and have to manually add the fucking icons | 02:49 |
| w00t_ | you know, this isn't going anywhere | 02:49 |
| skynets | and go back and start over again for another app | 02:49 |
| w00t_ | I think I'm going back to doing productive things | 02:49 |
| skynets | like download another app | 02:49 |
| skynets | good 5 minutes | 02:50 |
| skynets | (1 minute download) | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ScottishDuck: (HAM != andridiot market) thank god it's not | 02:50 |
| skynets | lol | 02:50 |
| Robot101 | skynets: ok cool take it back have a nice life BYEEEEE | 02:50 |
| w00t_ | (someone actually wrote a replacement application manager, btw, look into fapman) | 02:51 |
| skynets | cool | 02:51 |
| skynets | thanks | 02:51 |
| Robot101 | meego /might/ work on it. android /might/ work. but neither nokia nor google nor intel have any obligation to support any of those. | 02:51 |
| lcuk | and danielwilms has download-assistant - a nice qt based frontend to maemo downloads | 02:51 |
| skynets | but why cant nokia do it :P theyre making the whole community do the dirty work while that time/energy could be used on original but more useful things | 02:51 |
| lcuk | skynets, danielwilms works for nokia | 02:52 |
| skynets | ok ill look into that too | 02:52 |
| skynets | thanks | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | skynets: why *should* Nokia do *all* this? | 02:52 |
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| Robot101 | they didn't port freedos? motherfuckers!!! | 02:52 |
| lcuk | skynets, the thing is: nokia arent waiting for the community - but however big nokia are, the community is bigger | 02:52 |
| skynets | are your phones overclocked | 02:53 |
| kaus | yes | 02:53 |
| lcuk | ive looked at some of the various overclocks but my main device is stock | 02:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ohnoes, OC topic now | 02:56 |
| skynets | lol | 02:57 |
| skynets | not sure what that menas | 02:57 |
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| tina_ | how can i access my home folder (megoo) from gentoo | 13:00 |
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| * dm8tbr is doing something wrong apparently: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/744880 | 13:09 | |
| dm8tbr | any ideas why it says - IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/cache/meego-bootstrap/tmp/SampleMedia.tar' | 13:10 |
| mikhas | probably because there is no file or directory at '/var/cache/meego-bootstrap/tmp/SampleMedia.tar' =p | 13:11 |
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| tina_ | no idea about the permission thingie? | 13:12 |
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| tina_ | is the user folder encrypted? | 13:12 |
| mikhas | I'd scan for that SampleMedia tarball, perhaps the path is just wrong | 13:12 |
| dm8tbr | mikhas: yeah, I guess I should try that first. | 13:14 |
| tina_ | i cant even ls /mnt/meego/home/tina as root from gentoo-linux | 13:14 |
| tina_ | well i could chroot to meego and mount -o bind a gentoo folder ands cp the files but that is bit crazy, i just want to be able to play my media that is on my meego /home/tina disk | 13:16 |
| tina_ | no one else using dual-boot? | 13:17 |
| dm8tbr | tina_: is the home folder empty when you look at it from gentoo? | 13:18 |
| tina_ | eeepc tina # ls | 13:19 |
| tina_ | Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop README.txt | 13:19 |
| tina_ | but they are red files cant cat them | 13:19 |
| tina_ | cat Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop | 13:19 |
| tina_ | cat: Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop: No such file or directory | 13:19 |
| tina_ | that is as root , as user i get permission denied | 13:20 |
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| Sazius | tina_: it seems that you have encrypted home directory in meego? | 13:39 |
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| tina_ | Sazius, uh huh , tho i cant remember it setted up that | 13:41 |
| Sazius | ok, but at least in Debian when I use an encrypted directory with ecryptfs it shows those two files when the directory is in its encrypted state | 13:42 |
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| tina_ | Sazius, and do you know how i can give my gentoo user access to it | 13:44 |
| Sazius | tina_: sorry, I don't, but you might google for ecryptfs in Gentoo... in Debian there is an ecryptfs-utils package, maybe something similar in Gentoo | 13:47 |
| Sazius | I have to go now though... | 13:49 |
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| tina_ | Sazius, ty | 13:55 |
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| Chriux | Hi! | 14:07 |
| Chriux | I have a question, can i install or its possible meego running on the openmoko freerunner? | 14:08 |
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| tripzero | Chriux, with a lot of work, anything is possible | 14:28 |
| mariob | Can someone tell my if there is a public OBS were one can help out with packaging? | 14:28 |
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| tripzero | mariob, i thought there was public obs? | 14:31 |
| tripzero | build.meego.com? | 14:31 |
| * tripzero doesn't know if it's public or not though... | 14:32 | |
| erkan^ | !nl | 14:33 |
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| erkan^ | have meego a office suite "openOffice" too? | 14:36 |
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| mariob | tripzero: Ahh, thx. | 14:37 |
| mariob | tripzero: Hmm, seems like you need an account | 14:37 |
| tripzero | mariob, does your meego.com account work? | 14:38 |
| mariob | tripzero: I don't have one, I'll try registering and check if it works | 14:39 |
| lcuk | erkan^, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=537 yes apparantly you can get openoffice working on your machine | 14:39 |
| lcuk | tho its not optimal | 14:39 |
| lcuk | which is a shame, editing docs on the go with your netbook is something people often use OOo for | 14:39 |
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| erkan^ | ok, but i have installed "meego with Google Chrome" on my netbook, lcuk | 14:40 |
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| lcuk | ok | 14:42 |
| erkan^ | meego is very beautiful interface, lcuk | 14:44 |
| erkan^ | that is first time for me , since yesterday | 14:44 |
| lcuk | erkan^, :D | 14:44 |
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| erkan^ | is Abiword good software too? | 14:50 |
| mariob | tripzero: Doesn't work | 14:50 |
| erkan^ | Abiword is light than openOffice, I think | 14:50 |
| mariob | tripzero: Seems that you need a special account for obs | 14:50 |
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| * tina_ uses her gentoo build openoffice via a chroot and shared dir in meego , she not likes abiword | 14:58 | |
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| erkan^ | is meego basic for debian or fedora? | 15:28 |
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| dm8tbr | I'm still clueless as to this http://pastebin.mozilla.org/744880 | 15:34 |
| dm8tbr | if I create the directory it disappears and mic fails again | 15:34 |
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| pupnik | Texrat's presentation at Akademy 2010: "User feedback framework" http://qik.com/video/8561492 ty cybette for the video | 16:31 |
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| mikeleib | oo.o? | 17:09 |
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| Surfa | i've been wondering, what am I supposed to do with "Zones" | 18:02 |
| Surfa | i haven't figured out any useful usage for them.. | 18:02 |
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| pupnik | they are for optimizing the UX for different work environments or tasks | 18:03 |
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| Surfa | that's what I read, but cant figure out how they should help in that :) | 18:05 |
| pupnik | for me that would be a set of links to contacts, bookmarks, apps and documents | 18:08 |
| pupnik | for e.g. i might switch to a demo zone when i hand device to people to try-out - lots of media and games to click on, but not my private data | 18:09 |
| pupnik | we should ensure ability to define a zone with access to youtube disabled ;) | 18:10 |
| Surfa | if there were some video examples of zone usage, it would be great | 18:10 |
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| pupnik | it doesn't seem like a far-fetched concept to me | 18:17 |
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| ScottishDuck | Quick question: Why did the dev team choose glibc over uclibc? :) | 19:33 |
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| odin_ | huh, why would you want to use uclibc in a base system that is has over 8 times the capacity of the respectable first linux systems that exists in the 1990s | 19:39 |
| odin_ | 8 times as in 8 times the CPU power, 8 times the memory, 8 times the storage, yes using libc then was never considered an issue | 19:40 |
| ShadowJK | glibc today is somewhat more bloated than libc in 90s :) | 19:41 |
| odin_ | a modern mobile phone is less of an embedded device and more a mobile computer | 19:41 |
| Jaffa | Af'noon all | 19:42 |
| Jaffa | odin_: You been reading Nokia's marketing material? ;-) | 19:42 |
| odin_ | sure it has (glibc) grown but I'd guess the performances loss is less than double | 19:42 |
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| ScottishDuck | odin_: When meego produces a 315MB rootfs that doesn't fit on the n900, you start to wonder about trimming fat | 19:42 |
| odin_ | this means there is still a net gain, even if it is bloated, so you have some kind of device with less than 4Mb of memory you still wish to port MeeGo to ? | 19:43 |
| odin_ | no you reject the notion of a OneNAND rootfs and put it back in eMMC where it should have been in the first place | 19:43 |
| odin_ | OneNAND is just a nice kind of storage that suits mobile devices, so it should not be all used up by rootfs, it should be swap/buffer-cache/rootfs-journal/with-dynamic-tuning | 19:44 |
| odin_ | I certainly reject Nokia's notion of OneNAND is your rootfs, no thanks, give me a full Unix host on eMMC anyday | 19:44 |
| ShadowJK | is netbook meego using uclibc too? | 19:45 |
| w00t_ | ShadowJK: the original point was that neither of them are | 19:45 |
| odin_ | I could not say but I the build is unified, so I guess it doesn't | 19:45 |
| Jaffa | odin_: swap on OneNAND, rootfs on eMMC and we can avoid /opt hackery | 19:45 |
| ShadowJK | swap on onenand needs kernel work | 19:45 |
| odin_ | agree yes begone /opt-doodad-ification | 19:45 |
| w00t_ | I think the MMC is the better solution | 19:46 |
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| ShadowJK | Which, if done properly, could make filesystems on emmc fast not slow, too :P | 19:46 |
| odin_ | what kernel work ? its a block device. I want rootfs journal on OneNAND | 19:46 |
| ShadowJK | onenand is not a block device. | 19:46 |
| odin_ | so all write hits are taken by OneNAND first, which is one of its good metrics, high write cycles, meaning it lowers to write hits to eMMC | 19:47 |
| lcuk | does the n97 have a 3d accelerator? can you run meego on it? | 19:47 |
| odin_ | still I would not want a mobile device restricted to uclib | 19:48 |
| odin_ | but I am l for looking at why so many processes exist and ways to reduce idle footprint | 19:48 |
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| odin_ | i.e. more integrated single component processes but of high quality (i.e. that dont crash, are responsible, use threading correctly for all I/O work) | 19:49 |
| odin_ | s/responsible/responsive/ | 19:50 |
| infobot | odin_ meant: i.e. more integrated single component processes but of high quality (i.e. that dont crash, are responsive, use threading correctly for all I/O work) | 19:50 |
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| odin_ | so the issue of a 315Mb rootfs that doesn't fit into your brainwashed thinking of a OneNAND rootfs, is something that needs to be addresses, it would be nice to have a really cut down rootfs with basic/essential phone functions and thats it | 19:52 |
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| odin_ | does anyone know the status of the "Community OBS Platform" ? | 19:53 |
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| w00t_ | odin_: I'm probably wrong, but I think its waiting on hardware | 19:53 |
| odin_ | hmm it was 4 weeks ago when I was last around, ah well... maybe it is time to take action into ones own hands | 19:54 |
| odin_ | we can wait on hardware until October when MeeGo 1.1 is out I guess, maybe this is better for Nokia/Intel so they can get their feet under the table more politically | 19:55 |
| w00t_ | odin_: no point ascribing it to malice, when firstly, I might be totally wrong, and secondly, there just isn't a need for it :P | 19:55 |
| w00t_ | lbt: ^^ I guess you might know what's going on? | 19:55 |
| odin_ | alternately someone could just release a superset of MeeGo and Maemo application that almost work on N900, and let Nokia manage that | 19:56 |
| w00t_ | huh? | 19:56 |
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| odin_ | I have not attributed it to malice, just raised the point for cross examination | 19:57 |
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| odin_ | yes the point with the MeeGo+Maemo what if the community effort gets the existing Maemo applications working and retains the GUI style, a sort of Maemo converted to OBS and RPM | 20:01 |
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| RST38h | what for? | 20:04 |
| odin_ | it is not a given that MeeGo 1.1 will be a step up from Maemo 5 | 20:07 |
| tripzero | ScottishDuck, why use uclibc? that's for embedded systems | 20:07 |
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| odin_ | what really needs fixing is the packaging and SDK problems of Maemo5, not the UI | 20:10 |
| RST38h | realistically, you will not be able to successfully support fully featured software solution for the N900 | 20:11 |
| odin_ | i.e. do away with mandatory scratchbox to development anything, but keep device emulation from it, have all the packages that make up the system closer to the upstream versions, make it easier to maintain them ongoing | 20:11 |
| RST38h | It will always be half-baked, like Mer has been | 20:11 |
| RST38h | So, unless Nokia takes steps to maintain some version of Meego on N900, however unofficially, you are stuck with Maemo5. | 20:12 |
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| odin_ | yes sure that is a likely potential pitfall, but then maybe look at what kept Mer from being half baked | 20:12 |
| odin_ | sorry which elements continue to be missing ? | 20:13 |
| RST38h | Mer has been kept back by the lack of proprietary drivers and (later) by the overal indifference from the users, who quickly found out that Mer is unusable on day-to-day basis | 20:13 |
| odin_ | and now there is no driver problem | 20:13 |
| RST38h | Oh, there is always some problem or another | 20:14 |
| odin_ | there are still a few userspace binaries, but they are not prohibited from use as-is | 20:14 |
| RST38h | The main being that a few people, working nights, for free, are generally unable to accomplish the required task | 20:14 |
| odin_ | ok understood, but also the Mer concept may have been too-early and too-diehard (with "free" and "open" requirements), also the Mer concept started in the era of "Nokia Tablet Computers" | 20:17 |
| odin_ | something for which I have never had any interest in myself and never looked at Maemo4 or older because Nokia just didn't get what I as customer was looking for, it is still less than 9 months since the first mobile phone release | 20:19 |
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| lbt | odin_: I'm working on the OBS now | 20:38 |
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| odin_ | lbt, obviously good news to hear, even if the same news from a number of weeks ago now, I hope there is a change in news soon | 20:59 |
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| reenignEesreveR | I have a lilliput touchscreen connected to my x86 PC desktop. Can I run meego on it to have a nice touch based interface? | 21:21 |
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| CosmoHill | if it has intel graphics and SSSE3 support you can | 21:26 |
| CosmoHill | and if the touch screen drivers are in meego | 21:27 |
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| lbt | odin_: me too... | 21:44 |
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| lbt | hey dl9pf_ | 21:47 |
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| reenignEesreveR | CosmoHill, which version of meego sohud i download for trying out? | 21:53 |
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| lbt | Could someone volunteer to prepare a web page on the wiki? I need some MeeGo and some Maemo volunteer devs who can help verify the OBS setup. | 21:54 |
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| lbt | I just want to get a list of who wants to help and what they can offer... | 21:55 |
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| GAN900 | lbt, I can cheerlead. :P | 21:58 |
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| lbt | anyone can help ... there'll be doc roles... | 21:59 |
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| lbt | I'm just so busy I forget who's offered to help do what | 22:00 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 22:01 |
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