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unohu62Will it be posible to someday run meego on a Nokia N800 tablet and what's out there right now to run on it?00:22
ShadowJKWell... realistically/practically speaking, N800 is kinda underpowered..00:24
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unohu62yes, I would agree. Is there anything I can run on it other than the 08 OS?00:28
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arachnistunohu62: mer?00:28
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unohu62yes, I thought it was inactive due to meego00:30
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unohu62I found this link http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N8x000:32
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ShadowJKI get the vibe that N8x0 interest has been dropping off exponentially ever since N900 came out00:33
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unohu62Yes, like an ugly distance relative shooed away lol00:35
lbtso ugly I bought a bag for mine...00:36
unohu62that'd be ugly ;-)00:37
lbtyeah, that link is the best one00:37
lbtMeeGo should run (for some definition of 'MeeGo' and 'run')00:38
Aardlbt: hey, at least it should be able to display the xterm as well as the n900 does ;)00:38
lbtbetter!00:39
unohu62have to wait and see, hopefully I can run something more current on it. Even if I use it just for CLI apps00:41
Aardunohu62: x will work, the hardware just might struggle with all the shiny ui effects of the default ui stuff00:43
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unohu62do you think I could run debian-ARM on it?00:44
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unohu62I mean maemo is a form of debian00:45
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Aardquite likely, but don't expect a usable (as in, optimized for this type of device) ui00:47
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AardI personally never did much with maemo-devices before n900 (had a look at it, and decided it was not a nice platform to develop on. changed with the introduction of qt, though)00:48
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unohu62Thx for the info guys, off for supper. Take Care.00:50
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xmenmatrixhi there, is there a way to fix the empathy connect error issue, or is it still unsolved01:10
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tremnite all, sweet dreams01:51
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damian_hi, where are the chromium img'sof meego i cant seem tofind them'04:51
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damian_i think you just soldme a n900 too04:51
damian_whats the difference between chrome and chromium anyway. i always used chromium, thought the name chrome was a windows thing04:52
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thynctankChrome is the consumer product04:53
thynctankChromium is the os project04:53
thynctankSafari -> webkit: chrome -> chromium04:54
damian_i run chromium os on a netbook, but,what about chromium browser04:57
damian_or is it just the browser taken straight from the os?05:01
damian_i know chrome isnt gpled but chromium is05:01
damian_anyway whatever im downloading the chrome image05:02
damian_im assuming the standard image has firefox05:02
damian_?05:02
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thynctankFirefox? That's a competing product05:03
TSCHAKwrong thynctank05:04
TSCHAKChromium = WebKit based browser by Google05:04
TSCHAKChrome = Chromium + extra codecs and features05:04
TSCHAKChromeOS = Linux based distribution with Chrome.05:04
thynctankI did leave out that it's based on webkit, yes05:05
TSCHAK:)05:05
* TSCHAK chuckles05:05
TSCHAKthat wasn't even the part you got wrong05:05
TSCHAKbut okay05:05
damian_(BTW im talking about meego images, deciding what browser to use )05:05
thynctankOkeydoke...05:05
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damian_seems chrome is the way to go anyway05:06
damian_hmm05:06
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damian_ohhhhhh. amazon LOL problemson my end. is there meego torrents05:08
damian_ahh yes found one:)05:08
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IceWeweis there a working N800 port?06:07
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IceWeweStskeeps, I was told you were a good person to ask about this, if you have time.06:09
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brokendatapointhi all, can I install the Meego_SDK onto a running Meego system?06:26
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brokendatapointscreen -d07:09
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nguyenchaunokia said that 30th june meegoo will be available on N900 with GUI10:37
nguyenchauis it right bro?10:38
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JaffaMorning, all10:58
Jaffanguyenchau: 30th June seems to be the release of the Handset UX. The N900 is a reference platform for MeeGo on ARM, so - yes, MeeGo Handset UX should be installable on to an N900 then. What you'll be able to *do* is unclear10:59
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nguyenchaucan i PM you Jaffa?11:00
Jaffanguyenchau: Sure, if you want. Not sure what wouldn't be public, though11:00
tmztmake phone calls? :)11:09
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Jaffatmzt: One'd *hope* so11:24
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lbtmorning11:26
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Jaffalbt!11:29
lbto/11:29
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* lbt wonders what is on the cards for today...11:31
lbtmaybe opening up the OBS to a beta group at last?11:31
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mintyeah just so you know guys. ive never had more problems in my life when trying to install a linux distro12:02
minti gace up in the end12:02
mintgave12:03
mintand now im using a mint live disc trying to restore a corrupted hdd12:03
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ZogGmint, are you talking about meego or what?12:09
mintyep12:10
mintnot trying to be rude just thought you should know12:10
minti could write a few paragraphs about my problems12:10
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tmztwhat happened?12:10
ZogGi'm user as you, so i don't really care, just wanted maybe to help you12:10
ZogGpupnik, \o/12:11
lbtmint: FYI meego isn't really ready for non-expert install yet.. if it doesn't "just work" then you may find it challenging12:11
mintJust work? i have been using linux for over 10 years12:11
minti was seriously surprised12:12
tmztno details here12:12
lbtso what happened mint?12:13
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mintcouldnt get the live disc to boot. np. tried the intaller. installer wouldnt let me boot from a btrfs HD, np, except, it also said i HAD to ue a btrfs partition. so thats where i got stuck. np, EVENTUALLY got it to install to an ext3 partition (no ext4? no reiser?) great. THEN it froze during the grub install.,12:18
mintrebooted and i was met with a grub rescue screen12:19
mintand this is only valid points. a lot more went wrong12:19
mintwhat to do when u need a btrfs to install yet cant boot of one12:19
tmztgrub2 can be confusing12:20
tmztit usually means it's not installed correctly12:20
mintwell grub was fine it was its assiciated files on the boot partition that never got copied over12:20
tmztthose are part of grub12:21
tmztif grub2 fell back to grub-rescue it's not working12:21
tmztand you can't read btr, even readonly assuming a module even exists12:21
thiago_homeyou need an ext3 boot fs if you can't boot from the rootfs12:21
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mintit wouldnt let me install to anything but a btrfs12:23
mintyet it wouldnt let me boot off it either12:24
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tmztso you need a /boot partition12:24
tmztwhich is what thiago_home said12:24
mintok well apologies. i do not know aNYTHING about grub212:27
thiago_homeI don't think that's specific about grub212:27
mintso i should create a btrfs partition as / an ext3 as /boot and a swap partition12:28
mintand BTW the live disc did boot, just no x, i could ctrl-alt-f1 to a terminal12:30
mintbut this was useless at it switched back to x every 5 seconds so i didnt even have time to type the password12:31
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minthow big should the /boot partition be? im gonna go have another shot at an install12:43
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amjadany one has installed meego 1.0 on emachines??12:51
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pupnikhi ZogG :)13:12
pupnikhavin a good day?13:12
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minthow big should a /boot partition be?14:01
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ZogGpupnik actually i'm having bad month =)15:02
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CosmoHillwow NeoReader is really fast15:26
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kqroh hello16:52
kqrso what do we know about the handset features?16:52
CosmoHillme? nothing16:56
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paul420Hi. I'd like to install "bzr" on freenode, but I can't find it (yum search bzr)16:58
paul420any suggestion?16:58
CosmoHillwhat is bzr and how would you install it onto an IRC network?17:00
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paul420did I say freenode?17:01
paul420oops :)17:01
paul420meego17:01
paul420Hi. I'd like to install "bzr" on Meego, but I can't find it (yum search bzr)17:01
paul420bzr is bazaar17:01
paul420it's like hg or git17:01
CosmoHillhmm17:01
CosmoHilltry "yum search bazaar"17:01
paul420no matches foud17:02
paul420found17:02
paul420I'm wondering how to add other sources17:02
paul420if there's other sources17:02
CosmoHillcould you get an rpm and install it?17:02
CosmoHillor compile from source?17:02
paul420Well, usually, bazaar and other tools like mercurial are available17:03
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paul420back, sorry, some network problems17:15
paul420So, I was wondering if there's a way to activate some extra repo with development tools like mercurial, bazaar, ...17:16
thiago_homemeego repos don't contain everything17:16
thiago_homeyou usually don't develop in meego...17:16
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paul420I don't want to develop, I just want to build a program for meego17:17
Aardpaul420: git, cvs and svn are present, I guess that accounts for the majority of source repositories nowadays...17:18
paul420Aard: not bzr :/17:18
paul420but it's ok, I'm going to build my app on another linux box17:18
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Aardwell, I know bzr exists, but I've never had to use it17:19
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paul420Another question17:20
paul420Moblin was based on Firefox17:20
paul420I liked the Moblin browser17:20
paul420Do you think in the future Meego will be based on Firefox again?17:21
thiago_homeMeeGo has different browsers to choose from17:21
thiago_homeThere's Firefox, Fennec, Chrome, Chromium and possibly more17:21
Aardpaul420: what do you mean by `based on'?17:21
paul420Aard: not based on, "well integrated"17:22
thiago_homebrowsers show webpages17:23
thiago_homewhich, by definition, are completely not integrated17:23
paul420you can see the tabs in the "internet" panel17:24
paul420that's what I mean by "well integrated"17:24
AardI guess he's talking more about integration into the user experience, and yes, at least fennec (which is a firefox browser) will be. there are already qt builds in the daily repo17:25
paul420Aard: awesome17:25
paul420How can I try that?17:25
paul420how stable is the "daily rep"?17:26
thiago_homeI wouldn't count on it17:26
Aardadding that repo should work: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/core/repos/ia32/packages/17:26
Aarddon't ask me, I'm not an enduser17:26
paul420I'm not an enduser too17:26
paul420ready to crash my distro :)17:27
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AardI meant I'm working with that repo, but I'm only seing the parts that are relevant to my packages, so I can't tell you much about stability17:28
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paul420how do I switch to the daily repo?17:45
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Aardthere should be something like repos.d or yum.repos.d somewhere in /etc or /etc/yum*. can't tell exactly, I'm usually pulling in the new packages when creating new images17:46
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vgradelbt, OBS beta, count me in19:20
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Aranelis localization of MeeGo started or not? I can't see any .po file on Transifex?20:01
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DawnFosterAranel: I think they are still in the process of migrating to Transifex. More details here: http://wiki.meego.com/Localization_team20:09
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AranelDawnFoster: thank you :)20:11
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CosmoHillrandom question: how much does it cost an american to go to university a year?20:13
GAN900CosmoHill, depends20:13
CosmoHillfriend just said his sister spends $50K a year20:14
GAN900On your state, whether the school is private or public, etc.20:14
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GAN900$30k-60k for private20:14
GAN900$10-$20 for public20:14
CosmoHillwow20:14
GAN900Or less depending on the state20:14
GAN900For instance Florida students who do well in high school get tuition paid at any public university in state.20:15
CosmoHillmine is $4800 a year, that doesn't include accommodation or food20:15
GAN900Or the equivalent of a public tuition at a private school20:15
GAN900Those numbers include room and board.20:15
CosmoHillI live at home :)20:16
GAN900CosmoHill, given the size of the US and extreme variation in legislation from state to state, it's hard to give specific numbers on issues like this. ;)20:16
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w00t_my significant other pays $11k/yr - in theory20:21
w00t_in practice a big chunk of that goes away thanks to scolarship20:22
w00t_but then, we're also not in the US20:22
w00t_(and she's also a foreign student anyway, meaning she pays more, to confuse things more.. I'll be quiet now)20:22
CosmoHillhehe20:23
CosmoHilllooking at a uni atm20:24
CosmoHillEU and scotish students don't have to pay any tutition fees20:24
CosmoHillif you're from the rest of the UK to have to pay £1800 ish which is half of any other UK uni20:24
CosmoHillEngland, Wales and NI being £3225 a year20:25
w00t_right, she's from the EEC but not the EU20:25
w00t_then, it goes up20:25
w00t_(a lot)20:25
CosmoHillyes20:25
CosmoHillI think unis have a cap for UK and EU students20:26
CosmoHillbut there isn't a cap for how much they can charge non-EU students20:26
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CosmoHillwhat is she studying?20:27
GAN900CosmoHill, well, if you come to the US the women will be all over you. :P20:27
CosmoHillhehehe20:28
w00t_just finished a BSc, starting MEng next (study) year20:28
CosmoHillooo20:28
CosmoHillbut what in?20:28
w00t_she's a geek, like me20:28
CosmoHill-.-20:29
CosmoHilland the subject that she has a BSc in is....?20:29
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w00t_nothing, yet.. waiting on the results to come back :)20:30
w00t_but as I hinted, comp. sci20:30
CosmoHillooo20:30
CosmoHillI'll have to see if i can beat her :p20:30
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w00t_brik: ^^20:33
w00t_you have competition20:33
CosmoHillshe's in the channel? cool20:33
CosmoHillauke is the last person in my user list cos there's so many people in here :/20:34
* w00t_ doesn't have a user list20:34
* lbt is using a decent client and can see _al_ to zs20:35
CosmoHilli can scroll20:36
CosmoHillbut I'm using a mighty mouse so i can't scroll back up :/20:36
w00t_lbt: client? :-)20:36
lbtkonversation ... it's pretty good20:36
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w00t_oh :-(20:36
CosmoHillI'm using Xchat aqua20:37
CosmoHillit's as old as my powerbook :o20:37
w00t_I would have a very hard time using a GUI client ever again, if I was going to use one, it'd probably be quassel20:37
CosmoHillw00t_: irsse + screen + ssh?20:37
w00t_CosmoHill: that's what I use now, yes20:37
CosmoHillit's a popular combo20:37
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GAN900CosmoHill, Adium 1.520:42
CosmoHilldamn you20:43
CosmoHillI can't go above 1.320:43
GAN900Ah, 10.3?20:43
CosmoHill10.4 tiger20:43
GAN900Upgrade to 10.5 already20:43
CosmoHillmaybe someday20:43
CosmoHillany different in performace cos I've heard 10.5 isn't as good as 10.4 on powerpc20:44
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GAN900Ehh20:47
GAN900Dunno20:47
GAN900Felt better on my dual G520:47
GAN900But then it killed itself, so I dunno.20:47
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CosmoHillwere you the person who managed to get a mac pro cos the G5 watercooling leaked?20:48
GAN900Yeah20:48
CosmoHill:320:48
GAN900Only took me 4 months20:49
GAN900and about two dozen phonecalls.20:49
CosmoHillapple support are okay, they're based in england or ireland (for me)20:49
CosmoHillDemon support sucks20:49
CosmoHillsome guy in india reading a script off a screen20:50
CosmoHill"have you tried updating your router's firmware?" "How do you suggest I do that without internet -.-"20:50
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CosmoHilldo you know what would confuse me the most about using atom processor21:53
CosmoHillthe ability to put it on my bear legs without burning myself21:54
CosmoHillor the inability to feel the heat from the underside of the desk21:54
thiago_homeyou put a processor on your leg?21:57
CosmoHilli meant a computer with an atom processor21:57
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thiago_home:-)21:57
CosmoHillI have a powerbook which is 55C atm21:57
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GAN900CosmoHill, buy an N900.22:29
GAN900Atom is a joke compared to a real mobile CPU.22:29
CosmoHilli think an N900 might cost more :/22:30
JaffaGAN900: Seen email about MyNokia?22:31
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GAN900Jaffa, later than this morning (EDT)?22:46
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w00t_Jaffa: if you ever find out who was responsible for that, do me a favour and burn them at the stake, please?22:52
GAN900Jaffa, ah, no.22:56
GAN900Jaffa, count my silence as an agreement on all points.22:56
JaffaGAN900: OK, cool23:00
Jaffaw00t_: Watch the council blog in about 10 minutes23:01
w00t_Jaffa: I await with eager anticipation23:01
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w00t_as always :)23:01
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Jaffaw00t_: http://maemo.org/community/council/nokia_response_to_mynokia_subscription_in_pr1-2/23:07
* w00t_ clicks23:10
GAN900Jaffa, can you style the quote somehow?23:10
GAN900Italics? Indent?23:10
thiago_home<blockquote> ?23:10
JaffaGAN900: Indented now. blockquotes are unstyled on the CSS23:11
JaffaItalics looked shit. I've put in some quote marks.23:11
JaffaThe maemo.org CSS is really a bit crap for long blocks of text.23:11
w00t_that response is a bit lacking, as you note :P23:13
GAN900Yeah23:13
GAN900I'd put it somewhere between a spit in the face and a brushing off on the intern.23:14
GAN900Unbelievableness-wise23:14
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* w00t_ also notes that his computer doesn't force him to subscribe to the manufacturer's latest spam^Wadvertising23:16
* suihkulokki thinks people are on the wrong channel23:17
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* brik waves at CosmoHill 23:21
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* CosmoHill waves at brik 23:23
brikyou done with bsc too then?23:26
CosmoHillI've just written a nice script that goes through /etc/hosts and ejects23:26
CosmoHillI've just finished my 2nd year23:26
brikcomp sci?23:26
CosmoHillyep23:26
brikenjoying it so far? :)23:27
CosmoHilldepends on the month23:27
brikheheh :P23:27
CosmoHilland how much is due23:27
brikyeah23:27
brikmy uni is evil like that23:27
CosmoHillI'm so pissy when there is 4 weeks left and I still have no idea what I'm doing or what they want23:27
CosmoHillthis year I handed one coursework in on time23:28
thiago_homesounds like work23:28
CosmoHillthe rest had group extentions23:28
brikthey deliberately make sure that all our assignments are due in the same week23:28
CosmoHillthiago_home: I finished uni at 11:55am on the 1st of june23:28
thiago_homehalf the time I don't understand what the MeeGo people want :-)23:28
CosmoHillI don't go back until late semptmber :d23:28
thiago_homethe other half, I don't understand what the Symbian people want23:28
brikhaha23:28
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brikCosmoHill: is this a bad time to tell you next year will be worse?23:29
* brik hides23:29
CosmoHilldoes that mean I'll lose it with a lecturer again?23:29
CosmoHillcos I told one to F off this year :/23:30
brikmy supervisor was kind enough to tell me that 4th year is twice as hard as 3rd year, just before I finished, way to ruin my holiday23:30
brik:o23:30
brikdo what we do, winge, call them names, etc on irc where they can't see it :P23:31
CosmoHillthat reminds me23:31
CosmoHillanyone in here go to the uni of texus?23:31
lcukthiago_home, diplomatic mediation23:35
lcukthe best way to solve your pushme-pullyou problem would be to get everyone in the same room23:35
thiago_homeyup23:36
lcukyou could include some weapons and let them sort it out themselves23:36
thiago_homedon't have access to those23:36
thiago_homebut it is my job to get people to understand each other23:36
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lcukwhen we went to barcelona, there was a keynote delivered in multiple languages23:37
thiago_homespanish, catalan and english?23:38
lcukwe all got a little gadget and had translation done on the fly23:38
lcuki think yeah23:38
lcukpoint being :) we heard what everyone had to say no matter how they said it23:39
thiago_homeunless the translator didn't understand and just made stuff up23:39
lcukthats possible23:39
GAN900Hehe23:47
GAN900They seemed good about that23:47
GAN900stating their uncertainty if they weren't sure.23:47
lcukyeah indeed GAN90023:49
* lcuk was impressed by how well the translators worked23:50
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w00t_thiago_home: alcohol is a great mediator23:50
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