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| DrGrov | Will there be any chance of getting MeeGo for the N900 later on? | 00:13 |
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| TSCHAKeee | we have answered this question a lot | 00:13 |
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| DrGrov | I have not seen any answers, perhaps that is why I ask. | 00:13 |
| DrGrov | Curious to know what is the situation | 00:14 |
| TSCHAKeee | DrGrov: there will be a community release. It will not be commercially supported by Nokia, but will have the necessary closed code so that all peripherals will at least have a chance of working over time. | 00:14 |
| TSCHAKeee | please state it exactly like this, to anyone else who asks | 00:14 |
| TSCHAKeee | so we don't get any more, "OMG! NO MEEGO FOR N900?!!?! WHAAA? SKY IS FALLING!!!!" | 00:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | :) | 00:15 |
| DrGrov | TSCHAKeee: sure, will do. I was mainly a bit curious to know what is the situation. I got all the time in the world to wait for it, once it is ready it will be out there so I do not need any more information. | 00:16 |
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| * GAN900 wishes Nokia would quit with the foot shooting | 00:17 | |
| DrGrov | TSCHAKeee: gotta ask one small additional question. Will MeeGo provide phone capability as well or just working as a tablet? | 00:18 |
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| DrGrov | TSCHAKeee: too much people been jumping around with various theories what I have been reading so that is why I like to ask here to get a good answer and more importantly a correct answer. | 00:19 |
| TSCHAKeee | DrGrov: the handset UX provides ofono, and nokia is providing a driver for the modem on the phone. | 00:19 |
| DrGrov | TSCHAKeee: so I can expect normal phone calls to work ? | 00:19 |
| TSCHAKeee | at some point, yes. | 00:19 |
| DrGrov | TSCHAKeee: thanks for the clear shortcut yet comprehensive answers :)' | 00:20 |
| TSCHAKeee | you're welcome. | 00:20 |
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| CosmoHill | brik: what kinda modules do you do? | 00:59 |
| brik | various C# ones mostly | 01:00 |
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| brik | this year I had languages and compilers, software engineering, distributed systems, final year project, and mobile devices | 01:01 |
| CosmoHill | I've done, MSSQL and MySQL, flash, two web things (they say they're different but they're really not) | 01:01 |
| CosmoHill | programming and stuff | 01:01 |
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| brik | we've not had much SQL, but that's because that lecturer was shit | 01:01 |
| brik | we did databases without learning SQL | 01:02 |
| brik | :P | 01:02 |
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| CosmoHill | sounds as dull as doing databases | 01:02 |
| CosmoHill | only without the pain of not getting it working | 01:02 |
| brik | for mobile devices we made a client for uni's made up twitter/facebook thing | 01:03 |
| CosmoHill | first week we go on MySQL we're told that the server has been taken down for a new hard drive | 01:03 |
| brik | haha yeah | 01:03 |
| brik | we had one coursework for that, and we had to solve database tasks *on paper* and hand in, how useless is that | 01:04 |
| brik | haha :P | 01:04 |
| CosmoHill | there is one lecturer I get As from | 01:04 |
| CosmoHill | even tho I have no idea what Iam doing | 01:04 |
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| brik | nice ;p | 01:05 |
| tmzt | brik: relational calculus? | 01:05 |
| brik | yes we had that evilness | 01:05 |
| brik | we had 1 lecture on relational calculus, then 1 lecture on SQL (out of 20ish), and the whole exam was on those two | 01:06 |
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| brik | CosmoHill: do you get letter grades there then? | 01:07 |
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| CosmoHill | sorta | 01:07 |
| CosmoHill | well mostly but overall it's numbers | 01:08 |
| CosmoHill | A = 1 etc | 01:08 |
| brik | A = 70%+? | 01:08 |
| brik | oh | 01:08 |
| CosmoHill | yep | 01:08 |
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| DrGrov | Hello everyone | 01:08 |
| brik | is it difficult to get As there? | 01:09 |
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| DrGrov | Would it be possible to download MeeGo for notebooks on a USB drive and test it on a desktop computer? | 01:09 |
| DrGrov | Got my desktop computer connected to my TV | 01:09 |
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| CosmoHill | DrGrov: as long as you have an intel graphics card (not GMA500) and SSSE3 support on your processor you can use what you wanyt | 01:10 |
| Aard | DrGrov: depends on how similar to the netbooks your hardware is | 01:10 |
| w00t_ | DrGrov: provided you have intel graphics (or the drivers for your card and the knowledge/skill to put them into meego), and a modern CPU, meego should run ok on a lot of hardware | 01:10 |
| DrGrov | Actually the problem I might encounter is that I have a nVidia graphics card | 01:10 |
| w00t_ | DrGrov: the SDK chroot should run on other stuff (nvidia cards etc) too | 01:10 |
| DrGrov | My specs are 2 dual core AMD Opteron 64 model 280 @ 2.4 GHz each. 8GB DDR1 400Mhz ECC ram | 01:11 |
| Aard | DrGrov: vesa driver is included, you should be able to get a (slow and lowres) X running with that | 01:11 |
| DrGrov | Aard: that is mainly what I just need. Want to get a overview of MeeGo myself, not just through videos. | 01:12 |
| CosmoHill | http://linuxfromscratch.pastebin.com/74rL4L2Y | 01:12 |
| lcuk | cpu bound graphics? | 01:12 |
| Aard | if you have a spare usb stick just dd the iso image to it and try if it boots | 01:12 |
| lcuk | ie nice fast dualcore 2.4ghz should chump through things nicely | 01:13 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: i do have 2 dual cores, not just one ;) | 01:13 |
| DrGrov | Aard: can I put the image on a memory card which I insert into my memory card reader via USB? | 01:14 |
| Aard | DrGrov: only if your card reader emulates usb mass storage | 01:14 |
| DrGrov | Aard: how do you mean emulates usb mass storage? give me some example so I can say if it does. Have never tried before, that is why I am a bit lost with this lol | 01:15 |
| Aard | if it shows up as ordinary usb mass storage it should be working. just give it a try, if you're unsure (same procedure, dd the image to the memory card) | 01:15 |
| DrGrov | Yeah, I put the image to the memory card | 01:16 |
| DrGrov | Yeah, the memory card in Ubuntu that I use is shown as a 2GB file system | 01:16 |
| Aard | 2gb? which image are you using? | 01:16 |
| DrGrov | Aard: no, I am downloading the 800MB image | 01:17 |
| DrGrov | But the memory card I insert shows up as a 2GB file system | 01:17 |
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| tmzt | Aard: iso? | 01:17 |
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| Aard | I'd go for the live cd image for a first test, smaller to download and does not take as long to write to the card | 01:18 |
| DrGrov | http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.0/meego-v1.0-netbooks | 01:18 |
| DrGrov | I am downloading that one, the live image | 01:18 |
| DrGrov | this one, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/netbook/images/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img | 01:18 |
| Aard | oh, ok, I should up. didn't realize the netbook image is actually that big, I'm only working with the handset parts :) | 01:19 |
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| DrGrov | Aard: no problem :) | 01:20 |
| DrGrov | Aard: I have it almost downloaded now. So how should I then write it to the memory card? | 01:20 |
| DrGrov | 6 minutes left of downloading | 01:21 |
| Aard | as I said, dd | 01:21 |
| DrGrov | dd? | 01:21 |
| Aard | make sure there's no data on the memory card you need, and as your system apparently automounted the card you need to unmount it first | 01:21 |
| Aard | dd if=path/to/your/image of=/path/to/devicenode bs=1M | 01:22 |
| DrGrov | ok, i will unmount the card first then | 01:23 |
| DrGrov | devicenode would be then /media/name_of_usb_memory_card | 01:23 |
| CosmoHill | can I laught at people who log onto IRC as "root" or "Administrator"? | 01:23 |
| DrGrov | path to memory card that is | 01:24 |
| Aard | no, devicenode will be /dev/something, most likely /dev/sdsomething | 01:24 |
| Aard | (be careful that it's really the correct device node, and not one of your systems disks...) | 01:24 |
| DrGrov | the memory card reader is mounted as /media/ | 01:25 |
| Aard | then do `mount' and write down the device name for that mountpoint | 01:25 |
| DrGrov | yes, will do. so I unmount it then first before I do dd? | 01:26 |
| Aard | yes. find out the device node before unmounting, will make things easier | 01:26 |
| Aard | dd will destroy the contents on the card, having a filesystem on a card mounted while a new one is created is not a wise idea, therefore the unmount | 01:27 |
| DrGrov | it is this where it mounts the file system of the media card, /media/E0FD-1813/ | 01:28 |
| DrGrov | now i unmounted that usb memory card | 01:28 |
| DrGrov | the download is finished | 01:28 |
| Aard | that's the mountpoint, the device name starts with /dev | 01:28 |
| DrGrov | i have no idea how to find the dev | 01:28 |
| Aard | as said, you should type mount while the card is still mounted. from the list you can easily pick out the device name | 01:29 |
| DrGrov | /dev/sdf1 on /media/E0FD-1813 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,flush) | 01:30 |
| DrGrov | so it is /dev/sdf1 | 01:30 |
| Aard | yes | 01:30 |
| DrGrov | ok, so now time to unmount and then dd | 01:30 |
| Aard | will take considerable time, and you won't see the progress. | 01:31 |
| DrGrov | i just normally unmount the memory card from my desktop, right? | 01:32 |
| Aard | I don't care how you do it, as long as it's unmounted ;) | 01:32 |
| DrGrov | yes, it is not shown on mount anymore | 01:32 |
| DrGrov | dd time then | 01:32 |
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| DrGrov | does not work | 01:35 |
| Aard | error message? | 01:35 |
| DrGrov | no, i forget sudo :) | 01:37 |
| DrGrov | so here it is, /dev$ sudo dd if=/home/deathstar/Desktop/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img of=/dev/sdf1 bs=1M | 01:37 |
| CosmoHill | correct | 01:37 |
| DrGrov | and the output was following, 776+0 records in | 01:37 |
| DrGrov | 776+0 records out | 01:37 |
| DrGrov | 813694976 bytes (814 MB) copied, 2.30676 s, 353 MB/s | 01:37 |
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| DrGrov | so it is finished already | 01:37 |
| DrGrov | CosmoHill: that is correct yes? | 01:37 |
| Aard | what kind of card are you using that you can throw over 800mb in such a short time? :0 | 01:38 |
| DrGrov | i have a bit of a faster hard drive ;) | 01:38 |
| Aard | hard drive does not matter, the write speed to flash cards does | 01:39 |
| DrGrov | should i mount it now to see that it actually is there? | 01:39 |
| DrGrov | i have no idea actually but it goes fast | 01:39 |
| DrGrov | i try to plug in the memory card now to see what has happened there | 01:40 |
| DrGrov | apparently nothing | 01:40 |
| DrGrov | it seems like it is completely empty | 01:40 |
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| Aard | wait, I've just seen something. you need to write to /dev/sdf instead of /dev/sdf1 (sdf1 would be the partition, you need the device) | 01:41 |
| DrGrov | ah ok, so no 1 after there. roger, trying again | 01:41 |
| Aard | though the time is fishy for flash cards | 01:41 |
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| DrGrov | sudo dd if=/home/deathstar/Desktop/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img of=/dev/sdf bs=1M | 01:42 |
| DrGrov | [sudo] password for deathstar: | 01:42 |
| DrGrov | 776+0 records in | 01:42 |
| DrGrov | 776+0 records out | 01:42 |
| DrGrov | 813694976 bytes (814 MB) copied, 2.16611 s, 376 MB/s | 01:42 |
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| Aard | you said it's hooked up by usb? | 01:42 |
| DrGrov | yes | 01:42 |
| CosmoHill | DrGrov: yes | 01:43 |
| CosmoHill | DrGrov: damn that was fast | 01:43 |
| DrGrov | CosmoHill: yes, that is fast | 01:43 |
| DrGrov | even that was approximately 20 MB even faster | 01:43 |
| DrGrov | lol | 01:43 |
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| DrGrov | it is still empty | 01:44 |
| DrGrov | my memory card is still empty | 01:44 |
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| CosmoHill | that begs the question | 01:44 |
| CosmoHill | what did you just copy meego to | 01:44 |
| DrGrov | i tried to dd the image to my memory card | 01:45 |
| Aard | the 2s is even unrealistic for harddisk to harddisk copy, let alone writing to a flash card | 01:46 |
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| DrGrov | the 2GB flash card I tried to dd to is empty | 01:46 |
| Aard | can it be mounted? | 01:47 |
| DrGrov | yes. | 01:47 |
| DrGrov | i mount it but it is empty | 01:47 |
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| Aard | can you add "strace -s 255" in between the sudo and dd and pastebin the output? | 01:49 |
| DrGrov | i just gave up, i give it a new go tomorrow. | 01:51 |
| DrGrov | my brain has stopped functioning properly this time of night, 2 AM here :) | 01:51 |
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| DrGrov | i was hoping it would work the first time without any misfortune | 01:51 |
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| Aard | ah, same timezone | 01:52 |
| DrGrov | i jsut hope i did not do any major damage with that /dev thing | 01:52 |
| Aard | I strongly suspect you don't have anything but ram in your box where you can write that amount of data in 2 seconds | 01:53 |
| DrGrov | no damage in the /dev things then? | 01:55 |
| Aard | quite unlikely | 01:56 |
| CosmoHill | DrGrov: what I do is unplug the memory card | 01:56 |
| CosmoHill | look at /dev/sd* | 01:56 |
| CosmoHill | plug it back in and see what one has appeared | 01:56 |
| DrGrov | nothing has appeared | 01:57 |
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| Aard | anyway, might be a nice idea to go to bed while it's still somewhat dark ;) | 02:00 |
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| CosmoHill | ever wondered what happens to people who insult England? | 02:03 |
| CosmoHill | http://i45.tinypic.com/2ymznyb.jpg | 02:03 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 02:36 |
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| CosmoHill | you too | 02:36 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:41 |
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| GAN900 | Does MeeGo work on the Booklet at all? | 03:55 |
| w00t_ | doesn't it have poulsbro gfx? | 03:58 |
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| pierissimo | hi | 04:57 |
| pierissimo | is there tschakeee ? | 04:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | ? | 04:58 |
| pierissimo | hi! | 04:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | hello | 04:59 |
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| pierissimo | you are very unpleasant!! | 04:59 |
| pierissimo | hihi | 04:59 |
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| pierissimo | i remember this discussion http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/meego/meego.20100606.txt | 05:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | pierissimo: well um.. fuck you too. :) | 05:00 |
| pierissimo | suck my big dick ;) | 05:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | charming. | 05:01 |
| pierissimo | and try not to be always stuck to the PC, kind of a nerd | 05:01 |
| GAN900 | lol | 05:01 |
| pierissimo | bye ;) | 05:01 |
| GAN900 | Sadly I don't have ops here. | 05:01 |
| pierissimo | GAN900 just to have a laugh | 05:02 |
| pierissimo | ;) | 05:02 |
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| * TSCHAKeee shakes head. | 05:02 | |
| TSCHAKeee | what a dick. | 05:02 |
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| w00t_ | uh.. | 05:22 |
| w00t_ | what. | 05:22 |
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| TSCHAKeee | *shrug* | 05:26 |
| amjad | ok today is D day, trying to install meego 1.0 on my emachine netbook with atom n450, :) | 05:27 |
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| GAN900 | Interesting comment about MeeGo on the Android remote install article on /. | 05:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | an interesting comment on slashdot? | 05:37 |
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| GAN900 | Hehe | 05:37 |
| GAN900 | Just that it's the only mobile platform that isn't inherently evil | 05:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | heheh | 05:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | welll | 05:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | we don't exactly know yet :P | 05:38 |
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| GAN900 | Well | 05:43 |
| GAN900 | Maemo isn't inherently evil | 05:43 |
| GAN900 | So MeeGo can't be too much worse | 05:43 |
| GAN900 | Although I don't love the security framework. | 05:43 |
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| tmzt | awesome, so I got the usb image to boot with qemu using a new seabios, but only if I leave off -hda | 05:45 |
| tmzt | now I've got to figure out how to attach an empty hard drive image without affecting the boot order | 05:46 |
| TSCHAKeee | what IS seabios anyway? | 05:52 |
| TSCHAKeee | I see it usually named in conjunction with CoreBoot | 05:52 |
| tmzt | it's the successor of the old bochs bios rewritten to be compilable with just gcc | 05:53 |
| tmzt | and greatly enhanced | 05:53 |
| tmzt | yeah, I'm trying that next (with qemu) | 05:53 |
| tmzt | I wanted to see if the normal netbook image would work so I don't have to download one of the zip files of meego | 05:54 |
| tmzt | but it's very slow | 05:54 |
| tmzt | hmm, no framebuffer support | 05:54 |
| tmzt | need to try -vga std next | 05:54 |
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| tmzt | so the trick was to use -drive file=x.img instead of -hda x.img by the way | 05:55 |
| * TSCHAKeee wants to use CoreBoot someday | 05:56 | |
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| mint | is it possible to install the meego gui over my existing distro? | 06:13 |
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| mint | i have tried about 10 times all different ways and STILL cannot get meego to boot | 06:14 |
| mint | as far as i get is the grub screen now. occasionally randomly i get a boot menu. otherwise i only get the graphical background | 06:15 |
| mint | and somehow behind that all meego IS booting because my hdd is at work AND my sound clicks and initializes | 06:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | mint: did you follow the hardware requirements? | 06:16 |
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| mint | thats my next question | 06:16 |
| * TSCHAKeee facepalms | 06:16 | |
| TSCHAKeee | nobody reads. | 06:16 |
| mint | im on a dv6700 with an 8400m. (core2) | 06:16 |
| mint | i did read | 06:16 |
| mint | i assumed my pc was too good and wouldnt have any problems | 06:17 |
| * TSCHAKeee thwaps mint upside the head | 06:17 | |
| TSCHAKeee | mint: Atom Nxxx CPUs, with Intel GPU. | 06:17 |
| TSCHAKeee | mint: that is what MeeGo is designed for. | 06:17 |
| mint | well people told me, in this channel, yesterday, anything x86 compatible is fine | 06:18 |
| mint | and said given my hardware i should have no problems | 06:18 |
| mint | so false information | 06:19 |
| mint | ok thank you | 06:19 |
| w00t_ | TSCHAKeee: actually, core2 should be fine | 06:19 |
| TSCHAKeee | w00t_: it is most likely his GPU | 06:19 |
| TSCHAKeee | 20 bucks it is ATI or NVIDIA | 06:19 |
| TSCHAKeee | which will not work OOTB | 06:19 |
| w00t_ | right, my point was more directed to the "atom CPUs with intel GPU" -- indicating that nothing else was usable :) | 06:20 |
| mint | ok. i was hoping to boot to a terminal and install my nvidia drivers. would it be worth me attempting to get that far. then chucking on proper video drivers and booting x | 06:20 |
| w00t_ | mint: you can of course try it, if you want | 06:21 |
| TSCHAKeee | you could try. | 06:21 |
| w00t_ | a few people on the ML have done pretty much that in the past | 06:21 |
| mint | ok so if it has booted correctly, wheather i get a picture or not, i should be able to ctrl-alt-f1. then kill x and install drivers? | 06:22 |
| mint | because atm i cant even do that | 06:22 |
| w00t_ | tbh.. I don't know. I haven't had to do much meego hacking in the past few weeks.. but I'd presume so, yeah | 06:23 |
| w00t_ | btw: you shouldn't be *getting* a grub screen | 06:23 |
| w00t_ | meego doesn't use it | 06:23 |
| w00t_ | so i'd presume something is screwed with the bootloader install | 06:23 |
| mint | but it does boot | 06:24 |
| mint | im sure it does i hear my sound card click, my laptop sound lights change color and my hdd works for about 15 seconds | 06:24 |
| w00t_ | mm | 06:24 |
| w00t_ | not sure what to suggest there | 06:24 |
| mint | you know what | 06:24 |
| mint | im probably mad trying to installl meego on my laptop anyway | 06:25 |
| mint | thanks guys | 06:25 |
| w00t_ | not so mad .. really :) | 06:25 |
| w00t_ | chroot is probably the easier route to go though | 06:25 |
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| kkb110 | can I install meego on N900? | 12:26 |
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| Robot101 | kkb110: if you want no UI, or features, like calling - yes - there's a meego core image which has just an xterm | 12:29 |
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| kkb110 | Robot101: oh.. it's too sad that there is no completely working meego on N900 D: | 12:29 |
| Robot101 | kkb110: no meego handset UI has been released publically yet | 12:30 |
| Robot101 | kkb110: the reference UI has been delayed | 12:30 |
| kkb110 | I see. thank you | 12:30 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 13:35 |
| amjad1 | morning jaffa | 13:35 |
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| kkb110 | afternoon all | 13:43 |
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| amjad1 | afternoon kkb110 | 13:47 |
| amjad1 | looks like i am here for greeting every one :) | 13:48 |
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| kkb110 | good, maybe that can be your second job, greeting every person in this channel :) (don't forget to say goodbye) | 13:49 |
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| Abhijeet | hi w00t | 14:36 |
| Dabz1 | Hi | 14:37 |
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| CosmoHill | sweets + hot car + 3 years = mess | 14:51 |
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| damian_-_ | lol someone should have told me moblin is in the ubuntu repo's | 18:51 |
| CosmoHill | you mean the ubuntu moblin remix? | 18:51 |
| damian_-_ | umm well actually im using mint isadora. which uses the latest ubuntu repo's and sure enough there is a moblin session and associates programs in the repos | 18:52 |
| damian_-_ | associated | 18:52 |
| * CosmoHill smiles and nods | 18:54 | |
| damian_-_ | loli wiped mymint and spent 2 days trying to install meego | 18:55 |
| damian_-_ | wish i had of known it was as easy as that | 18:55 |
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| john1 | hello! | 19:06 |
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| john1 | can anyone please help me out, I have a toshiba nb305 and i just installed meego on it, everythinglooks amazing but it freezes unless i touch the touchpad | 19:09 |
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| john1 | has anyone encountered the same thing? | 19:10 |
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| thiago_home | rebuild it for OMAP2 | 22:12 |
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| w00t_ | thiago_home: I think the ARM builds are actually ok, least, there's people playing with it on n8x0 | 22:48 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 23:57 |
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