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infobothmm... flashing is
thiago_hometablet? :-)00:05
lcukthiago_home, yes, we have internet tablets00:07
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GAN900thiago_home, meh.00:18
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GAN900It's redirected from a number of articles.00:18
GAN900Lot of Google inertia behind that one.00:19
zsis it safe to change repo from 1.0 to daily builds?00:21
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Stskeepszs: about as safe as peeing on a electric fence00:27
zsI mean is it working :P00:27
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CosmoHillpee on it and find out00:27
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kendrickhey there. someone piqued my interest in meego by posting a video of a pre-alpha tablet :)00:28
kendrickand now i'm all eager to hear whether libSDL is, or will be, part of the stack?00:28
kendrick(i've written a number of games and such, most famously, "Tux Paint", using SDL)00:28
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kendrick(Tux Paint having been ported to a couple of Maemo platforms in the past... not by me, though :) )00:29
thiago_homekendrick: SDL can be installed, just like most other Linux packages00:29
thiago_homebut it's not "MeeGo API"00:29
kendrickis this the thiago who i probably knew from #kde? :)00:30
CosmoHillStskeeps: how's your hayfever?00:30
thiago_homeyes, same one00:30
kendrickhey hey!00:30
DawnFosterkendrick: I just installed Tux Paint on my meego netbook (I was testing installations) :)00:30
thiago_homeSDL is probably not a bad idea if you're going to make a full-screen app00:30
kendrickok. well, i have no idea wheather SDL was "part of" Maemo, either.  but i'm happy that there's a possibility to (probably relatively easily?) get something like TUx Paint running on MeeGo00:30
kendrickDawnFoster - seriously?! cool! photo!? :)00:30
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DawnFosterkendrick: Tux Paint is actually in the meego garage00:31
kendricki, uh, err... what's that? :)00:31
DawnFosterSo, it's easily installed. My only issue is that the window doesn't resize & I can't get to the buttons on the bottom.00:31
DawnFosterOh, it's a MeeGo installation client with some open source application preloaded to make it easy for novice users to install things00:32
kendrickDawn - You can do one of two things:  (1) ask it to run in a specific resolution (via config file or command-line options) or (2) ask it to run in the current desktop resolution ("native" option, that only works with fullscreen mode)00:32
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kendrickit needs min 640px wide by min 480px tall at the moment.00:32
StskeepsCosmoHill: horrible as usual00:33
kendrickwhat resolution is the device you're testing on?00:33
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kendrickand is it a touchscreen? we just realized (due to someone prepping tux paint for use in an art museum) that the shape rotation feature only works with something that supports drag w/o click (e.g., mouse, trackball or stylus... and NOT touchscreen)00:34
kendrickman, how exciting :)00:34
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DawnFosterit's a Toshiba NB 305 netbook (no touchscreen)00:34
kendricki ended up with a free android phone recently, but have been drooling over the Nokia N900, and now i see things seem to be getting even cooler and more exciting in this area of linux :)00:34
CosmoHillStskeeps: if hayfever was human it would be trying to kill me at the moment00:35
kendricki popped by sternum out sneezing 40x in a row due to allergies a few years back. hasn't been right since :(00:35
kendrickDanwFoster - internet tells me: "internal resolution : 1,024 x 600 "00:35
kendrickso that's confusing...00:36
kendrickmaybe that's not precisely the model you have.00:36
DawnFosternah, it's running lower than that - hang on, I'll check00:36
kendrick and both said 1024x600 :)00:37
kendrickby default tux paint tries to run in 800x600 these days.00:37
kendrickunless you tell it otherwise (either specifically, or by asking it to use the display's current rez via "--fullscreen --native" for example)00:37
kendrickis there anything that we could add to 'upstream' to help make it easier to build for MeeGo?00:38
Myrttielectric fence? where?00:38
kendrickwe have some old "#ifdef NOKIA_770" stuff in the code, and a "maemo/" folder (with nothing more than a "debian/" subfolder and some packaging-related files, I guess?)00:39
kendrickoh SHOOT, that reminds me. i've got some Sugar patches i need to apply.00:39
kendrickmy day job's been super busy lately, and i have a very active 3.5yo son, so my tux paint hacking time is near nil nowadays00:40
DawnFoster(Tux Paint on MeeGo netbook)00:40
CosmoHillI thought you physically painted a netbook for a moment00:41
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kendrickheh, yeah.  ego-browsing i often find people talking about 'tux paint' horses, or things (e.g., a car) with a 'tux paint job'00:42
kendrickso Dawn - you'll want to specify 1024x(600-taskbar_height)00:42
DawnFosterkendrick, and you are absolutely right about my screen resolution - it just looks lower to me00:42
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kendrickif you're in a 600px tall system, and you want to run tux paint in 600px tall window, you'll need either (a) fullscreen or (b) turn off window manager titlebar ;)00:43
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DawnFosterkendrick - where do I specify config options?00:43
kendrickyou can do it on the command-line (e.g.,  "tuxpaint --fullscreen --native" or "tuxpaint --1024x480")00:44
DawnFosterkendrick: here's the info on developing for meego:
kendrickor in a config file (on Linux, either "~/.tuxpaintrc" or "/etc/tuxpaint/tuxpaint.conf" IIRC)00:44
kendrickdon't tempt me ;)00:44
kendrickoh, and anyway, the config versions of those options would be:  fullscreen=yes  native=yes  windowsize=1024x48000:45
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* kendrick is eager to see this meego stuff unfold. but i'm out of mobile dev at the moment (company i was working for bailed out RIGHT as iPhone was opening up... dumbasses :) )00:46
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kendrickas CTO of, though, i'll say Meego needs lots of ebook readers ;)00:46
DawnFosterMaybe minor changes for a MeeGo build with options that run better for netbooks (hint)00:46
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kendrickok, speaking of which, i need to get back to work :)00:47
kendricki can (occasionally) be found in #tux4kids btw.00:48
DawnFosterkendrick: thanks for popping in - great talking to you00:48
kendrickthanks dawn! :) cool stuff00:48
kendrickyeah, keep in touch.  i'm happy to accept patches or suggestions on ways to make things install smoother 'out of the box' on all platforms that tux paint supports00:48
kendricki don't like platform ports languishing just because i release a new version of tux paint ;)00:48
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* kendrick coughs at the 5yo OS/2 build00:49
kendrickok, cya!00:49
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CosmoHilli swear hayfever is affecting my typing :(00:49
CosmoHilloh you guys know I'm building a cluster00:50
CosmoHilltwo nodes where DOA and a third physically blow up00:50
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lcukDawnFoster, so, did you end up peeing on the fence?01:27
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DawnFosterwe had electric fences as a kid & girls know better than that anyway :)01:27
DawnFosteractually, I stick to the mainstream releases and updates, since I answer a lot of questions in the forums01:28
DawnFosterit's easier if I have the same build as most people01:28
lcukyeah, tis sensible01:28
* lcuk missed discussion - football etc ;)01:28
DawnFosterWe have TVs in the office, and I've never seen anyone actually watch them except during the world cup01:29
lcukyeah its a distraction normally, but with so many people joining in its odd01:29
DawnFosterThey actually made people stop watching certain TVs because they were too disruptive (cheers / groans)01:29
arjanDawnFoster: during world series they got used too01:29
DawnFosterthey set up viewing areas on the cafe01:29
lcuki had to go pick jake up 10mins before the end of our match - roads were dead01:30
arjanlcuk: he01:30
arjantomorrow .nl is going to be shut down for 2 hours01:30
arjanstores will close early, busses and trains just stop, etc etc01:30
lcuklol, my missus was debating mid afterrnoon beers01:30
AqualizeIs there a known bug where the touchpad stops working (in meego 1.0) right when the dashboard etc. shows home screen shows up?01:32
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Myrttilaundry day. I came online to do something before heading downstairs, but I forgot what08:28
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StskeepsREMINDER: N900 hardware adaptation team meeting in approximately 30 minutes in #meego-meeting , agenda at
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StskeepsREMINDER: N900 hardware adaptation team meeting in approximately 3 minutes in #meego-meeting , agenda at
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copyleftStskeeps: Got this one :)
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copyleftStskeeps: Thank you and the team! I will reinstall my obs again by this doc.10:16
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tekojohello lbt10:44
Stskeepsmorn tekojo, lbt, slaine10:44
* Stskeeps goes look for some more coffee10:44
* tekojo has been lurking here so long that it feels like lunchtime10:45
Stskeepsi was pondering to dine out but it's like 15 C outside and raining10:45
lbtit's not?10:45
* lbt looks at the blue skies and listens to the birds sing ;)10:45
lbtit's not always miserable weather in the UK :D10:46
frals_finally summer in HEL \o/10:46
tekojomidsummer coming on fast10:46
lbtfrals_: today or tomorrow?10:46
frals_tis warm today and clear blue sky from where im sitting :)10:46
slaineit's been great here the last few days10:47
slaineI need coffee too10:47
slainemorning btw10:47
slainehmmm, I've 80 unread emails in meego-dev10:47
tekojoslaine: select all, mark read10:47
slainenothing to see here, move along10:48
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leinirHmm... be kind of interesting to get some named nokia people on this one:
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Myrttileinir: but I thought that was on the roadmap ages ago11:40
Myrttiit's not like it's news11:40
leinirOh right, must've happened while i was dived into my thesis - in that case, kewl beans :)11:41
leinirIt's news to me, but if it happened in the last two months, well... ;)11:41
Myrttino, I thought it was like ages ago11:41
Myrttialthough the news then might have mentioned Maemo as Meego wasn't published then11:43
Surfaleinir, there is a name in public for that11:43
Surfanot that it would make it any more official11:44
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Surfaleinir, original news here:
Myrttibut wait, this might have been the "oh no, this is not true, we deny everything" thing11:44
leinirMyrtti: Yeah, that's what i was thinking - that one i very clearly remember as a decidedly *facepalm* sort of moment :)11:45
Surfabut you can find plenty of errors in statements in that news item..11:45
Surfaso, you may think almost whatever you want about that news item :)11:47
Surfaand then within year or two someone can say that "i was right"11:47
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leinir*nods* Hehe, it's an art form to do that sort of thing ;)11:48
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thiagoleinir: it's news to me :-P11:54
thiagoyou know, they don't tell us these things11:54
thiagowe learn from engadget11:55
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leinirthiago: *nods* Yeah - Engadget has better spies than Nokia has internal communication ;)11:55
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thiagofor example, my guess as to what the S series is is as good as Engadget's11:55
leinir*nods* :)11:55
pinchartlthiago: don't you find it annoying ?11:56
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thiagoof course, everyone is now speculating on whether the N9 is MeeGo, but that cnet story that Surfa linked to is clear: Nokia has not announced any device called N911:57
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thiagopinchartl: I know stuff by codenames only. The consumer name is marketing...11:57
pinchartlthiago: I mean don't you find it annoying that you learn many things from the net instead of internally ?11:58
thiagopinchartl: no, not annoying11:58
thiagojust funny and ironic11:58
leiniri just wonder when Nokia realises that they need to just hire the Engadget guys to take care of their internal communications ;)12:00
thiagoone of our guys once was contacted on facebook and offered money for any leaks...12:00
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pinchartlthiago: if he told you that means he didn't get offered enough money ;-)12:01
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JureGhi all12:02
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thiagopinchartl: that's assuming everyone has their price, which may not be always true12:04
Surfathiago, or are you just being ignorant about internal communications?12:05
pinchartlthiago: a friend of mine uses to say that everyone has a price, including the price to get a bullet between the eyes. you can be proud when that one is cheaper12:06
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Surfafor those you know finnis:
thiagoSurfa: actually, what I said before is true: I only care about the codenames12:08
Surfashortly: official confirmation of no more symbian in n-series12:08
till-replaced by meego?12:11
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thiagogoogle translation: Symbian remains perusälypuhelimiin12:12
Surfabasic smartphones :)12:12
Surfawhatever that means12:13
thiagolooks like the meaning of the last sentence got inverted in the translation: Nokia is trying to bring a single developer as MeeGo, Symbian, Web-based applications than Qt applications.12:13
till-no n-series i guess12:13
till-but what about this symbian^4 thing?12:14
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Surfatill-, what about it? :)12:14
till-wasn't that ment to be the new symbian for smartphones etc?12:15
till-or is it a codename für meego?12:15
Surfai think nowhere is stated that symbian will cease to exist?12:16
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thiagothe article even says otherwise12:16
Surfai don't know about the translation but originally it doesn't say anything like it12:16
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till-so symbian(^3,^4) remains in the e- and c-series12:17
Surfaand x-12:18
till-okay, great :)12:18
SurfaSymbian in general don't know anything about versions, it's not public knowledge12:20
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till-but the n8 will be the last symbian based n-series device?12:22
Surfathat's what seems to be confirmed by nokia now12:24
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Surfaand officially before next year, there will be a meego device12:24
Surfathat's pretty much all you can say for now12:25
till-i hope so12:25
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Nervengiftdoes anybody know if meego will use the nokia ovi store?13:30
gouraccording to wiki docs, it will13:31
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Nervengiftwill the netbook version do so too?13:33
StskeepsNervengift: no, nokia's meego probably will13:33
Stskeepsbut the open source meego.. doubt it13:33
Nervengiftinstalling the smartphone ui in virtualbox will be possible, won't it?13:36
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Stskeepsno clue13:37
Nervengifthmm waiting and trying^^13:39
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Myrttithe question is: "Why do you want to do that?"13:41
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Stskeepssmartphone ui in virtualbox could be useful :P13:42
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copyleftjedix: Hi14:07
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copyleftjedix: It seems the line on OBS 1.8 MeeGo doc -- "zypper mr -d openSUSE_Tools" causes the missing dependance when installing obs-server.14:10
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tekojosigning off for midsummer!14:46
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* thiago wonders why midsummer happens in Finland 3 days later than the rest of the world15:27
leinirIn Denmark it was yesterday15:28
leinirBlame the missionaries :P15:28
petterilong weekend, so that we can drink enough15:29
leinirThey decided that having it on the day was too pagan :P15:29
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leinirAt least that's the case in Denmark, where it's called Saint Hans and an effigy of a witch is burnt on a huge bonfire15:29
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sx0nactual day length leveling happened already few days ago, it is shortening currently. midsummer parties however.. is different thing.15:37
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miigHi, maybe someone can help me. I installed in MeeGo mplayer. When I start play in mplayer any video, when i try to change the mode (full screen  or not), rewind, or any other actions netbook hangs. Why it can be? Sorry for my bad english.15:39
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lbtInteresting btrfs ml snippets on LWN :  (I'm not qualified to assess this.. so this is just FYI, not btrfs bashing)15:55
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TSCHAKWerklbt: i've been rather nervous about the unusual manner in which btrfs populates its trees, too. I would like to see more real world testing though, before i make any sort of judgement.16:06
Termanalbt, you BTRFS basher16:07
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TermanaIt would probably be a good idea to send any info to the mailing list16:07
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TSCHAKWerki do like to think that there is some sort of thought process behind people who design filesystems16:08
Stskeepsmeh, go for ZFS16:08
TSCHAKWerkthey're not easy things to improve.16:08
w00t_if you read the rest of that thread, it's a lot more balanced16:08
miigHi again, maybe someone can help me. I installed in MeeGo mplayer. When I start play in mplayer any video, when i try to change the mode (full screen  or not), rewind, or any other actions netbook hangs. Why it can be? Sorry for my bad english.16:08
StskeepsTSCHAKWerk: 'ooh, i just learnt about b-trees in algorithmics class. let me build a file system!'16:08
TSCHAKWerkand so long as we keep labouring under these idiotic delusions of fixed heirarchies of blobs of untyped binary data, we'll have these same idiotic problems16:08
TSCHAKWerkover and over and over and over again16:09
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lbtw00t_: you're right... I assumed that LWN would provide a balanced set of snips... maybe not.16:16
GAN900Ah, summer vacation16:16
GAN900Good time to release the handset UX16:16
Bostikin about 30 minutes, yes16:16
GAN900Meaning all of the enthusiasm at the initial release is going into a black hole.16:17
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StskeepsGAN900: or perhaps the best time to drag in hobbyists.16:17
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esp77does meego have any bug fixes and updates between releases?16:31
Stskeepsthere's daily, weekly images16:32
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luist_hey... in garage_data.xml  can i specify more than 1 package to install/remove? my problem is that when i remove the application that i installed, it keeps all the deps it installed, which is giving me problems so i want to specify the deps to remove them too16:47
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jedixcopyleft: which packages are missing after removing that repo?17:34
jedixthere wasn't as issue17:34
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Passeliwhat when is the handset UX going to be released?17:49
Stskeepsthis month17:49
Passeliso next week17:49
TSCHAKWerkright down to the wire17:50
Stskeepsthere's a week next week..17:50
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slaineWho's betting on next wednesday then :)17:59
Stskeepsi'm betting on next wednesday as well, since the TSG was moved ;)17:59
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Stskeeps30th, the day of 'no more excuses for not being open', i hope18:00
Stskeeps.. and i'm going to be offline that entire week18:00
vgradehere, here18:00
vgradebeing open, not you offline stskeeps18:01
jedixyeah, it'll be opened.. except video drivers18:01
Stskeepsyeah, but at least the meego content :P18:02
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paxlIs there a reason behing MeeGo using extlinux instead of grub ?18:06
jedixwhat arch?18:06
Stskeepsi think one of the reasons being that the syslinux guy is employed there18:06
paxlStskeeps: that make total sence :)18:07
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Stskeepstechnical reasons, .. ask on meego-dev :)18:08
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fjrivashOne question : Is CNS3410 (ARM11 family) compatible with that one which comes with N900?18:24
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fjrivashN900 comes with a ARM Cortex A8, is not it?18:26
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fjrivashis ARM9 family does it?18:26
Stskeepswell, you need ARMv5 at least18:27
Stskeepsthe n900 image won't, but if you just select armv5 repos instead of v7, and make an image..18:28
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Stskeeps is a nice reference for ARMv5 / ARMv6 / ARMv718:28
fjrivashIt would run on that processor?18:28
Stskeepsno expert opinion from me, but if the processor is ARMv5 and you have a MMU and a linux kernel, then possibly18:29
Stskeepskeep in mind you will need GLES2 for some UX'es and probably at least 128mb ram :P18:29
fjrivashYes! I saw it I need to confirm with experts :D. I am trying with a virtual machine18:29
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fjrivashthank you once again Stskeeps :D18:31
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fjrivashStskeeps, I have this one ARMv6K (ARM11 MPCore) and nokia is ARMv7-A (Cortex-A8), so is armv5tel, this armv7l or neither of them?18:41
fjrivash(from repos versions I mean)18:41
Stskeepswell, armv7l won't work with armv6k, but armv5tel will18:42
fjrivashGgggreat! :D Stskeeps I am going to test it, Thank you.18:42
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trip0#meeog is a lonely place18:51
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Stskeepsmm, at least the -arm channel has a lot of traffic18:52
trip0oh, cool18:52
trip0i had no idea that channel existed18:52
Stskeeps(.. right now we're a bit silent cos all the finns went on holiday)18:52
* trip0 starts a firestorm18:53
fjrivashme too!18:56
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phamtuanchipi am new bee19:00
phamtuanchiphi all19:00
trip0hi new bee19:00
phamtuanchipanyone here using meego ?19:00
trip0is there anyone here *not* using meego?19:01
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Stskeepsnot at this moment19:01
phamtuanchipI would like to setup it for my hp19:01
Stskeepsi do have a meego sticker on my laptop though19:01
* w00t_ wanted a sticker :P19:01
phamtuanchiphp dv20019:02
phamtuanchipis it posible  ?19:03
phamtuanchipi am downloading image from torrent :( sad because from meego site always broken19:03
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odin_is the community OBS any closer to takeoff ?19:23
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Andy80hi all19:28
Andy80what filesystem do you suggest me when I install Meego on a netbook with a normal harddisk (not a solid state one): BTRFS or Ext3?19:29
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dnearyHi all19:30
dnearyslaine, Ping?19:30
Andy80let me say that MeeGo installer is as stupid as a banana!19:33
trip0mmm... banana19:33
Andy80first it bothers because I choose ext3 and it's not the preferred one. Ok, I switch to btrfs and the it bothers again because bootable partitions cannot stay on btrfs! WTF!!!19:34
trip0Andy80, btrfs is pretty fast on a normal hdd19:34
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Andy80trip0: yes, but you canno use it for a boot partition19:34
trip0use ext219:35
trip0for boot19:35
trip0it's probably related to grub not proplerly supporting btrfs or something19:35
Andy80trip0: naa... it's just for testing... I already have Ubuntu on this netbook, I'll go for a single / partition that will contain all19:35
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Andy80fantastic.... now, at the end of installation, it's locked on "Installing bootloader..." -.-19:42
Andy80alla the QA team has been fired up since a long time or what?!19:43
RST38hYou are not supposed to install it19:44
RST38hUnless you are Intel or Nokia employee =)~19:45
* RST38h laughs satanically19:45
RST38hIt is probably stuck overwriting your MBR ;)19:45
Andy80I'll wait other 2-3 minutes the I hope to be able to remove this shit from my netbook19:45
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Andy80consider that I've a model officially SUPPORTED!19:46
Andy80what if I had installed it on a unsupported model??19:46
RST38hIt would be unsupported then?19:46
StskeepsAndy80: be a good citizen, file a bug.19:47
Stskeepsor two. or four.19:47
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Andy80luckly my MBR wasn't touched19:48
Andy80I'll remove this and restore my partition19:48
Andy80or maybe I could use the Ubuntu grub to add another OS19:48
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GAN900MeeGo -- Making the Maemo Community mad every day.19:57
* GAN900 hopes for a fix.19:57
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w00t_GAN900: Fixed In <the next release>19:59
GAN900I wish I had a good answer for what needs to change20:00
GAN900I think actually seeking to engage the Maemo Community would've helped20:00
GAN900Rather than ignoring or putting out stop motion20:00
Andy80I don't know how Ubuntu was able to boot again, but MeeGo deleted my /boot/grub/menu.lst -.-20:01
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digitalsurgeonso GAN900 are you still mad ?20:02
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w00t_digitalsurgeon: btw, see meego-community ML.. since you're one of the developer engagement volunteers iirc :)20:03
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DawnFosterw00t_ July 5 is a holiday in the US for most people (developer engagement meeting)20:07
DawnFosterjust FYI20:08
w00t_DawnFoster: argh. jul 6 is bad because of the CO meet.. I'd really like to do it *before* the next CO meet too, but next week I think is going to be a waste of time20:08
DawnFosteryou can still do it on July 5 if most people can make it20:08
DawnFosternot sure how many people from the US will participate (it's an Intel holiday, but some people might be available)20:08
w00t_yeah, I think it will *probably* be ok.. but we'll see20:09
w00t_still, annoying20:09
GAN900digitalsurgeon, mad? No.20:09
DawnFosterif most of the participants are Europe - go for it. The lazy americans on holiday can catch up with the minutes ;)20:09
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GAN900digitalsurgeon, dissappointed and burnt out, a bit.20:10
Andy80Stskeeps: maybe I understand the problem: MeeGo installed doesn't support Grub2 which is used by Ubuntu > 9.1020:14
RST38hInstall MSDOS and boot using bootlin from there? =)20:14
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Andy80taa-daaaaa :) a simple update-grub fixed all :P20:15
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mixazhi all, I downloaded latest meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img, created a boot flash, but can't buut on eeepc 901 with error "reboot and select proper boot device". The USB drive selected in bios OK. What can be wrong?20:17
mixazI followed
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luist_hey... in garage_data.xml  can i specify more than 1 package to install/remove? my problem is that when i remove the application that i installed, it keeps all the deps it installed, which is giving me problems so i want to specify the deps to remove them too20:21
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Andy80just for curiosity... how do I change the audio volume?20:37
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trip0Andy80, you can change the audio volume by cupping your hands over your ears20:42
trip0in such a way that it muffles the sounds20:43
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ShadowJKit's ... intuitive!20:45
trip0and it doesn't break when pulseaudio updates20:46
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Andy80is it possible that there aren't any updates since the first release?20:49
Andy80I tried a couple of times...20:49
thiago_homeof what?20:49
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tehdelyhi, just playing with meego v1.0 on my netbook21:15
tehdelyit's got a 1024x576 screen and unfortunately some dialogs go below the bottom21:15
tehdelydoes the wm have any way to alt-drag a window and move it using something other than its titlebar?21:15
tehdelyso i can move windows up and get to what's at the bottom21:15
tehdelywhich is usually an 'OK' or 'Apply' button?21:15
aukefile a bugzilla :)21:15
aukeno, I don't think there is such a combo21:15
tehdelybefore i file a bug report or feature request, i want to make sure what i want is not already implemented21:16
tehdelyto avoid embarrassment, of course :)21:16
tehdelywhat's the main locus of development21:16
tehdelyis there a mailing list everyone's on?21:16
tehdelyor is it very scattered among 27343 different places21:16
tehdelyi haven't participated in any OSS dev in quite a while21:16
tehdelygotta learn git, too :)21:16
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thiago_home1024x576? what kind of manufacturer decided to have a screen less than 640 pixels tall?21:17
tehdelyplenty did21:17
tehdelylots of 10" netbooks have that reso21:17
thiago_homerather, less than 600 (from 800x600 times)21:17
tehdelymine is an HP Mini 100021:17
tehdelyhardly a rare machine21:17
DawnFostertehdely: were using the forums for user level questions about installation and usage bugs;:
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DawnFostermailing lists are more for people doing development on the platform21:18
DawnFosterwhichever is most appropriate21:18
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tehdelywhat do most people use as a MeeGo dev environment?21:32
tehdelydo you usually develop MeeGo on MeeGo?21:33
* Aard uses debian21:33
tehdelyis MeeGo debian-based?  i noticed that it uses RPM for its pkg system21:34
Stskeepsno, it's rpm based, mostly it's own distribution :)21:34
tehdelydo you work within a chroot like these instrux?
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Aardno, working with obs21:37
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tehdelyappears it has not recognized my wifi card21:51
fjrivashhow can I create a meego arm rootfs?
KiMeNetükçe bilen varmý aranýzda millet21:52
fjrivashdo I need to create a raw image?21:52
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thiago_homeKiMeNe: please speak English and use UTF-822:01
KiMeNethiago_home  ?22:01
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tehdelywhat is the way to reboot Meego using the interface?22:05
tehdelyalso is there a kbd shortcut to switch zones22:06
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dl9pf_tehdely: try the power button22:12
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AnttiTNice OS :) Thanks.22:51
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