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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:21 |
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| anaZ1 | lbt? | 00:31 |
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| lbt | anaZ1 | 00:42 |
| lbt | just thinking about the mtg last week | 00:43 |
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| lbt | any progress on the server and pkg DB info? | 00:43 |
| anaZ1 | thinking? You should be dreaming right now | 00:43 |
| lbt | heh... I dream of BOSS ;) | 00:43 |
| lbt | I got python to launch a process today ... | 00:44 |
| anaZ1 | lbt: problem is we have the server, connected to internal network, someone needs to go and plug it into the internet :) | 00:44 |
| lbt | no vpn? | 00:44 |
| anaZ1 | huh? | 00:44 |
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| lbt | or just too hard to do realistically | 00:44 |
| anaZ1 | how do you want to physically connect a server to the internet using vpn? | 00:45 |
| lbt | well, I access nokia internal servers via a VPN ... I thought you meant like that | 00:45 |
| anaZ1 | would have been possible if we had vlan on that network | 00:45 |
| lbt | heh .. OK ... nm :) | 00:45 |
| anaZ1 | dont know what is the setup | 00:45 |
| anaZ1 | lbt just got obs to pubish amqp messages | 00:46 |
| anaZ1 | that is progress | 00:46 |
| anaZ1 | no need for proxies | 00:46 |
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| lbt | excellent ... | 00:46 |
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| lbt | we need a simple json encoding | 00:46 |
| anaZ1 | yeah, I use json | 00:47 |
| lbt | here's one : http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-infrastructure-tools/boss/blobs/master/integration/launch.py | 00:47 |
| lbt | are you doing the OBS emit from perl? I guess so. | 00:47 |
| anaZ1 | yes | 00:47 |
| anaZ1 | I spent like 3 hours debugging perl references and hashes | 00:48 |
| anaZ1 | sucks | 00:48 |
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| lbt | *nod* ... which module did you end up with? | 00:48 |
| lbt | Net::AMQP ? | 00:48 |
| anaZ1 | turns out obs was sending the complete set of routes od the source server in a hash | 00:48 |
| anaZ1 | that perl JSON did not understand | 00:48 |
| anaZ1 | no, rabbitmq | 00:49 |
| anaZ1 | Net::AMQP was to complicated | 00:49 |
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| anaZ1 | dont think it even built for me | 00:49 |
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| anaZ1 | I wonder if I can add a src diff in json :) | 00:51 |
| anaZ1 | i.e. request diff | 00:52 |
| anaZ1 | can json carry that? | 00:52 |
| vinsci_ | where are the sources for the Meego SDK? http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools doesn't seem to be it | 00:52 |
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| lbt | back now... ADSL drop | 00:53 |
| CosmoHill | cyas | 00:53 |
| vinsci_ | anaZ1, json can carry anything, directly or encoded | 00:53 |
| anaZ1 | yeah, we will see about that soon enough ;) | 00:53 |
| lbt | I read about rabbitMQ being used to transfer multi-GB backup sets.... | 00:54 |
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| lbt | not sure I'd design that ... | 00:54 |
| anaZ1 | using json? | 00:54 |
| lbt | nah, it can use any encoding | 00:54 |
| lbt | json is just convenient for us | 00:55 |
| lbt | did you get the boss/ruote demo working for you? | 00:55 |
| anaZ1 | not yet | 00:55 |
| anaZ1 | this obs even thing is high on the list | 00:56 |
| anaZ1 | need to get it into 2.1 | 00:56 |
| lbt | found it... http://github.com/norbu09/Net_AMQP_Simple | 00:56 |
| lbt | I had that bookmarked for eval for perl | 00:57 |
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| vinsci_ | SDK sources, anyone? | 00:59 |
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| vinsci_ | so looks like it is meego-developer-tools, after all (given that the meego-sdk-developer group pushes there, http://gitorious.org/+meego-sdk-developer) | 01:01 |
| vinsci_ | although they haven't listed the team repositories for the group | 01:02 |
| lbt | and anaZ1 ... how come you're not in London yet? | 01:02 |
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| bspencer_ | vinsci_: what do you want? | 01:04 |
| bspencer_ | meego.com/developers and wiki.meego.com/developers | 01:05 |
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| vinsci_ | bspencer_, I'd like to build the SDK from source | 01:05 |
| bspencer_ | ah, yes. you are looking at the right place | 01:05 |
| bspencer_ | and qemu is coming | 01:05 |
| bspencer_ | that's not in that place that I see | 01:06 |
| vinsci_ | bspencer_, any instructions for building it around (for experienced devs)? | 01:06 |
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| bspencer_ | vinsci_: I would send an email to: zhiyuan.lv@intel.com and kerry.jiang@intel.com requesting details for building | 01:08 |
| bspencer_ | and we will get some docs on it in the next few weeks to help | 01:08 |
| vinsci_ | bspencer_, thanks, will try that. | 01:08 |
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| user___ | trying to make a rpm of lame. it compiles ok when running make manualy, but rpmbuild gets all-recurcive make error...any ideas? | 01:20 |
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| luist | hey whats the garage repository? | 01:33 |
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| bspencer_ | luist: extras | 01:53 |
| bspencer_ | for now, until community repos are setup | 01:54 |
| luist | thanks | 01:57 |
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| sirpengi | are the community repos? something like rpmfusion but for meego? | 02:09 |
| sirpengi | *there | 02:09 |
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| esp77 | 1.0 dont seem that bad for a young distro. | 03:37 |
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| Stskeeps | .. do we actually have an alarm framework in meego? | 10:24 |
| Trollkarlen | 09:24 < Stskeeps> .. do we actually have an alarm framework in meego? | 10:26 |
| Trollkarlen | Sry i slipped on the buttons. | 10:26 |
| * lbt notices Myrtti's greetings are always *so* enthusiastic and chirpy ;) .... more tea I think | 10:29 | |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 10:29 |
| lbt | hey there Stskeeps | 10:29 |
| * lbt had a good day yesterday... :) | 10:30 | |
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| Stskeeps | oh? | 10:32 |
| Myrtti | lbt: I had nightmares last night and I could have sworn today is Monday | 10:32 |
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| lbt | Myrtti: sounds rough ;) | 10:33 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I managed to launch a process from a python client over AMQP ... | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 10:34 |
| Myrtti | in addition to not knowing where my glasses are, almost falling on my face on my way to the bathroom and the need to do laundry so I won't stumble on my way to the bathroom tomorrow, I'm chirpy as ever | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | .. what does that mean? | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:34 |
| lbt | so you send a json description of the systems to call and conditions and the jobs get done | 10:34 |
| Myrtti | chrip. chirp. | 10:34 |
| Myrtti | aw bollocks | 10:34 |
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| * lbt offers sunflower seeds to Myrtti :D | 10:34 | |
| lbt | Stskeeps: if you want a demo... http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-infrastructure-tools/boss/ | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:35 |
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| lbt | a few apt-get installs... and you run it ... and shit happens!! | 10:35 |
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| Coke | Hello. Is there a developer site with repository links? | 10:45 |
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| Coke | Any package repositories up yet? | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | repo.meego.com ? | 10:53 |
| andre__ | for? | 10:53 |
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| Coke | andre__: to see what is included | 10:55 |
| andre__ | yeah. in what? | 10:55 |
| andre__ | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/ ? | 10:55 |
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| siddu | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu /* MeeGo image available for N900 owners */ | 10:56 |
| siddu | why its not made open for everyone ? | 10:56 |
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| Stskeeps | siddu: it includes a bootloader that's nokia closed, it is actually a full n900 emulator :P | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | that those bits ought to be redistributable is something else.. :) | 10:59 |
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| siddu | Stskeeps: Is there any image (img file) or can i make one with the intial code base so that i can try out the MeeGo on the qemu ? | 11:01 |
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| Stskeeps | siddu: keep in mind this is a n900 emulator, so it would boot into an xterminal. you might have success with a beagleboard kernel though | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | it isn't netbook in a qemu :) | 11:02 |
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| esp77 | made a specfile for installing the nonfree part of gst-plugin-bad... | 11:03 |
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| fjrivash | Morning everyone! :D | 11:03 |
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| fjrivash | thiago, I am reading your mail about ARM + MeeGo and I have a doubt on what you said that we have to look the ability of the rest of the system to run the applications and a full linux system with glibc and full qt will have stricter requirements, Why is that if has full QT? | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | well, GLES2 support is pretty much minimum for any of the UX'es | 11:07 |
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| fjrivash | yes, because of GPU capabilities, great. Thanks Stskeeps. | 11:09 |
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| oskude | hello, i cant find anywhere why meego needs ssse3. could someone explain why i cant use it on my eeepc701 ? | 11:11 |
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| oskude | AFAIK. meego uses clutter for the GUI, and clutter works ok on eeepc701, so it cant be the graphics... but what is it ? | 11:13 |
| lbt | oskude: ROFL .... | 11:14 |
| oskude | lbt: whats so funny ? | 11:14 |
| lbt | using ssse3 makes it run orders of magnitude faster and has *nothing* to do with restricting meego to newer intel chipsets. | 11:14 |
| lbt | ^^ official line ;) | 11:14 |
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| oskude | lbt: hmm. and _where_ in the software stack is ssse3 needed/used ? what does ssse3 do ? | 11:15 |
| lbt | attracting new developers to the project and allowing them to get a taste of meego is not as important as making sure they use the latest hardware | 11:15 |
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| * lbt should have gone anonymous when he's being that cynical ;) | 11:15 | |
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| oskude | lbt: ok. so new hardware from other vendors will have ssse3 too ? | 11:16 |
| lbt | oskude: I gave up. At some point I'm sure (I hope) there'll be a non-ssse3 build | 11:16 |
| lbt | there are currently major restrictions on the graphics HW too | 11:16 |
| lbt | which are not AFAIK policy driven | 11:17 |
| lbt | so when we get some more community involvement we may find ways to use nvidia or preferably OSS ATI cards | 11:17 |
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| oskude | ok, so ill just wait if i maybe some day can use meego on my eeepc701... | 11:18 |
| lbt | yeah, sadly.... | 11:18 |
| lbt | heck, I work on this for a living and haven't even *seen* MeeGo - I don't have a netbook and don't imagine it'll work on any of my laptops | 11:19 |
| oskude | >.<* | 11:19 |
| lbt | mmmm | 11:19 |
| oskude | oh well, at least the screenies and videos look nice := | 11:19 |
| lbt | the focus today is making MeeGo a commercial success | 11:19 |
| oskude | yes sir. | 11:19 |
| lbt | and I think that is a superb policy | 11:20 |
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| Coke | lbt: does nvidia even have an arm port? | 11:20 |
| lbt | Coke: arm? | 11:20 |
| lbt | eventually the open nature will allow us to put together community ports | 11:20 |
| Coke | lbt: commercial success != technical success | 11:20 |
| Coke | in fact, they are quite in opposite in my experience | 11:21 |
| lbt | Coke: commercial failure == death | 11:21 |
| Coke | lbt: nope | 11:21 |
| lbt | for MeeGo, yep | 11:21 |
| lbt | for Linux/OSS nope | 11:21 |
| Coke | lbt: that's because it's technically not good | 11:21 |
| robtaylor | Coke: it must do, though you probably only get the port with a Tegra dev board | 11:21 |
| Coke | or, by linux community standards, sub par anyway | 11:21 |
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| lbt | Coke: well, by linux standards everything is sub-par ;) | 11:22 |
| Coke | lbt: everything that is a commercial success, yes | 11:22 |
| lbt | in a good way | 11:22 |
| Coke | because the two seem to be compatible | 11:22 |
| lbt | rarely | 11:22 |
| Coke | Apple has the worst product in iPhone, yet it's the most popular | 11:22 |
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| Coke | Android is absolute bullshit from a technical standpoint, yet popular with consumers | 11:22 |
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| lbt | and your point would be? | 11:22 |
| lbt | I'd rather be good than popular? | 11:22 |
| Coke | lbt: maybe they should try to do it the linux way instead of mimicking Google and Apple? | 11:22 |
| lbt | mmm | 11:23 |
| thiago | NVidia has even ARM chips | 11:23 |
| thiago | see the Tegra | 11:23 |
| Coke | then maybe good will become popular? | 11:23 |
| lbt | mmm | 11:23 |
| Coke | lbt: they should also look at how Qt is run to get a grip on what developers want from a community | 11:23 |
| Coke | the current developer site looks like it's made for children | 11:23 |
| lbt | Coke: Qt is there... and one of the reasons I think it'll succeed | 11:24 |
| Coke | lbt: but the rest of it | 11:24 |
| * slaine wonders what he's walkt | 11:24 | |
| lbt | Coke: like I said, some of the decisions smack (to my cynical eyes) of silly commercialism (ssse3) | 11:24 |
| slaine | e | 11:24 |
| Coke | Qt is already a working open project with plenty of cashflow from sponsors (guessing mainly Nokia) | 11:24 |
| * slaine wonders what he's walked into | 11:24 | |
| lbt | slaine: "why can't I use meego on my non-ssse3 device" .... heh ;) | 11:24 |
| Coke | #1 rule of inviting the community to join in on development: make sure they like what you've got. | 11:25 |
| slaine | Actually one of my favorite topics :) | 11:25 |
| lbt | attracting new developers to the project and allowing them to get a taste of meego is not as important as making sure they use the latest hardware | 11:25 |
| lbt | it runs 50x faster using ssse3 | 11:25 |
| slaine | lol | 11:25 |
| oskude | btw. atleast mx (the ui toolkit AFAIK meego uses, and is based on clutter) works perfecly on my eeepc701 | 11:25 |
| lbt | anyhow... enough said | 11:26 |
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| Coke | I thought the toolkit was Qt? | 11:26 |
| lbt | oskude: I truly sympathise... | 11:26 |
| lbt | Coke: it's complex .... but yes | 11:26 |
| slaine | Coke: that's what devs are encouraged to use | 11:26 |
| Coke | lbt: see | 11:26 |
| Coke | lbt: that's just wrong | 11:26 |
| lbt | Coke: no shit... | 11:26 |
| lcuk | morning \o | 11:26 |
| lbt | Coke: if it was perfect it'd be shipping | 11:26 |
| oskude | http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2010/05/20/mx-toolkit-1-0/ | 11:26 |
| lbt | welcome to "development" | 11:27 |
| Coke | lbt: but the design decisions they are making for development over the next year are already wrong | 11:27 |
| lbt | where things aren't finished | 11:27 |
| lbt | Coke: welcome to "the real world" | 11:27 |
| slaine | I think I need my coffee before I even try to contribute to this, bbs | 11:27 |
| lbt | where compromises are made based on information we don't have :( | 11:27 |
| Coke | lbt: I've been developing mobile stuff on my spare time since a few years back now | 11:27 |
| pupnik | i wonder if any of you have tried the qemu-compatible meego-netbook | 11:27 |
| lbt | you either trust your leaders or you don't | 11:27 |
| lbt | I do | 11:27 |
| Coke | lbt: I quit the IT industry because I'm too good to waste my time with bullshit :) | 11:28 |
| pupnik | what have you done since? | 11:28 |
| Coke | lbt: btw, the ONLY reason both Maemo and MeeGo sucks (will suck) is because decisions are made well outside of the community | 11:28 |
| Coke | It smells of fancy suits. | 11:29 |
| lbt | Coke: well, yes... but they strip off in the sauna ;) | 11:29 |
| lbt | I've seen it! | 11:29 |
| lbt | not pretty | 11:29 |
| oskude | :) | 11:30 |
| Coke | I beleive ya | 11:30 |
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| Coke | I'm not sure what's gonna happen to my n900. Do I have to buy the n9 now? | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | it'll get meego (open source) + hardware adaptation (closed and open bits) | 11:30 |
| * lbt toddles of to make MeeGo even more awesome than a really awesome thing. | 11:32 | |
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| lbt | OTOH I think rhubarb crumble is awesome.... so don't hold your breath :) | 11:33 |
| Coke | lbt: you want to make MeeGo awesome? | 11:33 |
| sanjay | What is the name of module being used in MeeGo as alarm framework for writing the alarm application? for can someone please advice? | 11:33 |
| lbt | if only that were in my power Coke.... | 11:33 |
| Coke | lbt: is Qt the toolkit for meego, by the way | 11:33 |
| lbt | oh, wait. It's OSS ... it is :) | 11:34 |
| lbt | yes Coke Qt | 11:34 |
| Coke | 1) remove all bits from gnome (including gconf and pulseaudio), 2) move from RPM to a sane package format ;) | 11:34 |
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| Bostik | I wouldn't mind a third-generation package format to supersede both .rpm and .deb, really | 11:35 |
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| * leinir smacks Coke "Repeat after me: One binary blob with meta data is not better than another binary blob with metadata" ;) | 11:35 | |
| Bostik | because to be honest, they both have their merits | 11:35 |
| Bostik | (even if I personally like .deb more) | 11:35 |
| Coke | Bostik: there are plenty, rpm and deb are about the worst around | 11:35 |
| Coke | (and the oldest) | 11:35 |
| Coke | leinir: it absolutely can be | 11:36 |
| leinir | And how's the tool support for the others? | 11:36 |
| Coke | One has to remember that RPM's were designed for a time when coherent upgrades didn't exist | 11:36 |
| Coke | leinir: outstanding | 11:36 |
| Coke | But I'd rather see a more simplistic slackware style aproach | 11:36 |
| Coke | It's not gonna be like people will do rolling bleeding edge updates on their cellphones every day anyway | 11:36 |
| * lbt fetched popcorn to watch this old rerun again ..... and turns off the colour in konversation for that "black and white" feel ;) | 11:36 | |
| slaine | lbt, the classics channel | 11:37 |
| lbt | this is #TCM | 11:37 |
| Coke | lbt: point taken | 11:37 |
| leinir | *giggles* Indeed :) | 11:38 |
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| leinir | Sorry for pouncing that one, i have not really started working yet today ;) | 11:38 |
| slaine | of all the channels in all the freenode, you had to /join mine | 11:38 |
| Coke | I'm guessing Meego will replace Maemo as well now for nokia? | 11:38 |
| slaine | As stated | 11:38 |
| slaine | and Moblin for Intel | 11:38 |
| lbt | slaine: :) | 11:39 |
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| Coke | lbt: is intel good when it comes to free projects and communities? | 11:40 |
| lbt | yes | 11:41 |
| Coke | lbt: that's gonna be a good counterweight for Nokia's clumbsyness then | 11:41 |
| lbt | well, better than most; but big enough to have bad parts too | 11:41 |
| Coke | but I guess intel has more experience | 11:41 |
| Coke | lbt: there's always a smudge on every apple | 11:42 |
| Coke | just bite around it. :) | 11:42 |
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| lbt | mmm.... I think nokia beats intel on open | 11:42 |
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| lbt | it feels like the resistance comes more from the intel side. | 11:42 |
| lbt | but that's personal | 11:42 |
| leinir | i'd say that certain parts of nokia beat certain parts of intel on openness... and vice versa | 11:43 |
| lbt | anyhow... l8r all :) | 11:43 |
| leinir | find it funny to discuss that with companies that're this enormous :) | 11:43 |
| leinir | lbt: see ya! :) | 11:43 |
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| gour1 | when complaining about some meego stuff (inability to run under VM), i was contacted from intel side (offline of the list) which i appreciate very much | 11:45 |
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| rohanpm | gour1: what did you get, with respect to "inability to run under VM" ? | 11:45 |
| gour1 | rohanpm: well, few days ago i found a post and now have running meego under vbox | 11:46 |
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| rohanpm | gour: do you think you could spare the time to wiki-fy it? :-) | 11:46 |
| gour | rohanpm: it's very simple - see http://www.adriannuta.com/2010/06/14/run-meego-in-virtualboxlinux/comment-page-1/#comment-3778 | 11:47 |
| gour | there is already wiki about VirtualBox, but it's not complete :-/ | 11:47 |
| Bostik | "comment-3k+..." right | 11:47 |
| Bostik | that's a bit tricky to find off-hand, I'd say | 11:48 |
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| rohanpm | hmm... it doesn't explain it? | 11:48 |
| rohanpm | what is http://202.112.3.1/libglx.so , why does replacing the libglx.so in meego with that one allow it to work? | 11:48 |
| gour | it is probably re-built lib which supports vbox's graphic | 11:49 |
| blino | there was a thread about that on the ml | 11:49 |
| slaine | iirc it was an older libglx from moblin | 11:50 |
| gour | i know it is possible to use meego under qemu, but vbox looks more attractive to me until i buy a real netbook | 11:50 |
| Myrtti | COFFEEEEEEEEEEERRGH. | 11:50 |
| blino | gour: http://www.listware.net/201006/meego-community/9844-meego-community-got-meego-ui-working-in-qemu.html | 11:50 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, +1 | 11:51 |
| gour | blino: yeah, i'm aware of qemu...but prefer vbox | 11:51 |
| lcuk | you want sugar in yours? | 11:51 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: Truvia or Splenda, with milk, please. | 11:52 |
| * lcuk nods | 11:52 | |
| lcuk | anyone else whilst im putting kettle on? | 11:52 |
| gour | no, thanks | 11:52 |
| * gour is not drinking (coffee) | 11:53 | |
| Myrtti | I've got a big collection of teas too | 11:53 |
| Myrtti | and some squash, if you'd prefer | 11:53 |
| Myrtti | *taptap* is this thing on still | 11:57 |
| Myrtti | it is, good. | 11:57 |
| sivu | roiibos for me thanks | 11:58 |
| sivu | havent had any caffeine for 8 months now | 11:58 |
| sivu | and hi myrtti | 11:59 |
| Bostik | oh, you're here too | 12:00 |
| Myrtti | ohai sivu | 12:00 |
| Myrtti | long time, no chat | 12:00 |
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| sivu | myrtti, i have a myrtti on my balcony! | 12:01 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, yes its on but i ran to the kettle | 12:01 |
| sivu | it's so cuuute | 12:01 |
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| Myrtti | awww | 12:02 |
| Myrtti | sivu: I still haven't finished your mittens :-< life got in the way | 12:02 |
| sivu | :( | 12:02 |
| sivu | damn life | 12:02 |
| LinuxCode | its summer | 12:02 |
| LinuxCode | no need to be sad | 12:03 |
| LinuxCode | rofl | 12:03 |
| Myrtti | LinuxCode: I hate summer... | 12:03 |
| LinuxCode | at least this year we are having a summer it seems | 12:03 |
| sandst1 | aand what's wrong with summer? | 12:03 |
| Myrtti | sandst1: allergies, heat, sunburn, insects | 12:04 |
| sivu | linuxcode, this mitten thing has been hanging around for like 2-3 years now | 12:04 |
| sivu | so summer is not an excuse | 12:04 |
| LinuxCode | sivu, lol | 12:04 |
| LinuxCode | god.... | 12:04 |
| LinuxCode | Myrtti, hire a minion | 12:05 |
| LinuxCode | or 5 | 12:05 |
| lcuk | LinuxCode, enjoying the WC | 12:05 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, is England game on now ? | 12:05 |
| sandst1 | Myrtti: aa yeah, agree with allergies : S | 12:05 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, Ive been up all night | 12:05 |
| LinuxCode | ohh lcuk I have a new toy | 12:05 |
| lcuk | yeah, your vibrator collection is growing! | 12:05 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, cat cam | 12:06 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 12:07 |
| lcuk | knew it had something to do with your pussycat! | 12:07 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 12:07 |
| LinuxCode | he needed a job! | 12:07 |
| Myrtti | myyh, I've gone into gadget mode. I'm either shopping for a camera or a netbook. I bet if I can push those desires away, next I'll be looking at sewing machines. | 12:08 |
| Trollkarlen | Anyone had problems with pulseaudio and gstreamer in the 1.0 release ? | 12:08 |
| Myrtti | Damn. I mentioned sewing machines. | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: programmable sewing machines? | 12:09 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: *nod* | 12:09 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, advanced sewing machines create civilisation. i've seen simpler CNC machines | 12:09 |
| Myrtti | but - I've got over 3000€ in my investmend funds and the money is burning a hole on my bank account! | 12:10 |
| Myrtti | NEED -- TO -- SPEND | 12:10 |
| sandst1 | lucky you ^^ | 12:11 |
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| Myrtti | perhaps I'll just smack myself and get piss drunk on midsummer and get over the gadget fever. | 12:11 |
| Myrtti | and remember that I've been saving to go to driving school. | 12:11 |
| X-Fade | There nothing like spending money to get the economy going ;) | 12:11 |
| Myrtti | perhaps I should buy nokia stock. | 12:12 |
| Myrtti | ok, I need more coffee to wake up. | 12:12 |
| Myrtti | moving on! | 12:13 |
| * lcuk spends X-Fade | 12:14 | |
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| Myrtti | but really, the options for a MeeGo ready netbook are a bit baffling | 12:17 |
| LinuxCode | X-Fade, before or after the 20% vat rate ? | 12:17 |
| Myrtti | it's 22 here... | 12:17 |
| LinuxCode | Myrtti, where are you based ? | 12:17 |
| LinuxCode | fi ? | 12:17 |
| Myrtti | officially yes | 12:18 |
| LinuxCode | k | 12:18 |
| Myrtti | stress on the word officially | 12:18 |
| LinuxCode | denmark has like 25% or so | 12:18 |
| LinuxCode | its shocking | 12:18 |
| LinuxCode | every 4th Euro goes to the state | 12:18 |
| LinuxCode | ehh, do they even use the Euro now ? | 12:18 |
| leinir | Interestingly as well, in Denmark it's 25% on everything, no "no VAT on vital stuffs" rule or such :) | 12:18 |
| * Myrtti doesn't go into politics | 12:18 | |
| leinir | Nope, no Euro in Denmark | 12:19 |
| X-Fade | Of money you already payed tax over ;) | 12:19 |
| LinuxCode | leinir, food is 25% too ? | 12:19 |
| leinir | and i'm so annoyed with that - it's hugely annoying because i travel a lot | 12:19 |
| leinir | Yup, 25% on everything :) | 12:19 |
| LinuxCode | thats disgusting | 12:19 |
| leinir | Also, base tax rate is 45% i believe :) | 12:19 |
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| LinuxCode | not that the supermarkets pass that on anyway, but hey | 12:19 |
| leinir | Not really - wages are adjusted to fit, so really we end up with the same amount at the end of the month :) | 12:20 |
| townxelliot | Myrtti: how are the netbook options baffling you? I take it you've seen the supported devices page? | 12:20 |
| leinir | Minimum wage in Denmark's about twice what it is in e.g. England :) | 12:20 |
| LinuxCode | leinir, I meant our food vat is 7% or so | 12:20 |
| LinuxCode | some stuff is vat exempt | 12:20 |
| X-Fade | townxelliot: Not many good options there. Al pretty 'old' hardware. | 12:20 |
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| Myrtti | townxelliot: X-Fade +1 | 12:21 |
| townxelliot | X-Fade: ah, I see what you mean | 12:21 |
| LinuxCode | you dont see prices being cheaper here compared to Germany, for instance, though | 12:21 |
| LinuxCode | 1 big con | 12:21 |
| Myrtti | there's lot of netbooks that I wanted to buy. Two years ago. | 12:21 |
| X-Fade | We basically need to wait until the next generation atom comes out? | 12:21 |
| Myrtti | MSI Wind, NC10, they all looked nice a year, two years ago | 12:21 |
| townxelliot | Myrtti: I guess I'm not that bothered about the laptop/netbook I'm on, so long as it works; my home laptop is 5 years old | 12:22 |
| Myrtti | townxelliot: my problem is that very few of the options that I'm looking at are actually sold as new anymore | 12:23 |
| townxelliot | Myrtti: I see | 12:23 |
| Myrtti | and knowing how much use people put on their netbooks, I'm not too keen on buying a used one either | 12:23 |
| townxelliot | http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0027FFUOM works well with MeeGo, available new | 12:24 |
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| sandst1 | i've been playing around with NC10 since last summer and so far so good | 12:24 |
| sandst1 | +meego's rolling nicely | 12:25 |
| townxelliot | Myrtti: sorry, might be the wrong link, let me try again | 12:25 |
| Myrtti | I'd need to see the keyboard before buying anything though | 12:25 |
| townxelliot | Myrtti: now you're just being fussy ;) | 12:26 |
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| sandst1 | wrote half of my thesis with NC10, recommending that one :) | 12:27 |
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| townxelliot | Myrtti: yes, I'm pretty sure that's the one I've got; keyboard is OK, but then you're not going to get anything brilliant on a netbook are you? | 12:28 |
| tekojo | Myrtti: with the keyboard requirement you just walk to the nearest store and test all the keyboards you find, not other way around it, is there? | 12:29 |
| tekojo | the eee in townxelliot link looks like it has a similar keyboard as my HP mini 5101, and I do like the feel | 12:29 |
| townxelliot | tekojo: I'd say it's pretty good for a netbook, probably as good as you're likely to get unless you spend a fortune | 12:30 |
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| Myrtti | tekojo: verkkokauppa.com Pirkkala and their stock on shelf... :-< | 12:32 |
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| tekojo | townxelliot: true, the only improvement I would go looking for would be a sharper screen 1368xsomething (got my HP on sale and it has that) | 12:32 |
| tekojo | Myrtti: ouch, not the best place to go typing | 12:33 |
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| townxelliot | tekojo: yes, the screen is a little small; it's not really suitable as a full-time dev machine, but OK for using as a netbook :) | 12:33 |
| Myrtti | and yes it's fussy to be pedantic over the keyboard. But if the keyboard isn't what a touchtypist has learnt to expect, then it's a bit useless keyboard | 12:34 |
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| Myrtti | which is why I hate my BF's Macbook Pro he got from USA. | 12:36 |
| tekojo | Myrtti: I agree there. Just don't spill juice on your favourite keyboard and all is well | 12:37 |
| Myrtti | tekojo: again my issue is with the layout of it, 104 keys vs. 105 | 12:38 |
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| slaine | Is there a TSG meeting tonight ? | 12:42 |
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| Trollkarlen | Isnt there any meego devs here ? | 12:44 |
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| copyleft | Hello, is there a document about how to install OBS 1.8 to build meego rpm from source on my local machine? | 12:44 |
| slaine | copyleft: not yet | 12:45 |
| copyleft | I've installed one but still there seems a lot of bug need to be fixed. Or some trick settings. | 12:45 |
| slaine | you'd need a meego config for obs for a start | 12:46 |
| slaine | and I don't think they've published that | 12:46 |
| gour | to build single app one does not need obs? | 12:47 |
| copyleft | slaine: Yes, I got the meego config from git tree. But obs 1.8 on my machine seems not work correctly. (on obs 1.7 I can correctly build rpms) | 12:48 |
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| copyleft | Sorry that it's kind of hard to describe my problem on OBS 1.8. I'm still trying to make it clear. | 12:48 |
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| tekojo | slaine copyleft http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/obs-project-config | 12:50 |
| tekojo | not that it makes you much happier, but it should be there | 12:50 |
| tekojo | copyleft: try to find lbt or anaZ1 on the channel and ask them | 12:50 |
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| tekojo | or InformatiQ | 12:51 |
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| copyleft | tekojo, slaine: Thanks! will keep trying. | 12:52 |
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| slaine | tekojo: thanks | 12:55 |
| tekojo | slaine: no prob | 12:55 |
| slaine | Seeing as the plan is for vendors to have their own OBS that syncs with the meego one, will we see a setup guide eventually ? | 12:55 |
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| Stskeeps | there's one in progress on wiki | 12:56 |
| slaine | cool | 12:56 |
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| amjad | great , us export law does not allow beagleboard to be exported to dubai, waste of time with mouser | 12:58 |
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| Coke | what's the name of the meego wm? | 13:08 |
| slaine | Coke, for what target ? | 13:09 |
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| slaine | Netbook UX uses Mutter with plugins to provide the various panels and toolbar | 13:09 |
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| slaine | All other devices are expected to use the Qt MeeGo Touch framework (formaly QUI) | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | DUI, to be exact | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder who comes up with those names | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:10 |
| slaine | Typo | 13:10 |
| Coke | people who drive drunk no doubt | 13:11 |
| copyleft | Stskeeps: looking forward to the document :D Thanks. | 13:11 |
| slaine | I had QT's DUI and backspaced, not far enough :) | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | copyleft: what document? | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:11 |
| sx0n | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4vv7yFaqxw | 13:11 |
| slaine | sx0n: hence my asking of there's a TSG meeting tonight :) | 13:11 |
| Coke | Stskeeps: I have no success navigating the official Meego website, how do you find out about these things? | 13:11 |
| copyleft | Stskeeps: did you mean OBS 1.8 to build MeeGo is in process on wiki? | 13:12 |
| Coke | Stskeeps: I'm trying to find a meego touch devel site with repos and such. | 13:12 |
| sx0n | :) | 13:12 |
| slaine | Coke: it's not released yet | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | copyleft: yes | 13:12 |
| danielwilms | hi...does anybody know some details about plain qt support in meego? | 13:12 |
| slaine | danielwilms: it's there | 13:13 |
| Coke | slaine: they still need a repos tho | 13:13 |
| slaine | Doesn't mean they have to be public | 13:13 |
| Coke | and a bug tracker | 13:13 |
| Coke | slaine: no, but why wouldn't they? | 13:13 |
| danielwilms | slaine: but how is it themed? | 13:13 |
| slaine | Part of what I wanted to ask our illustrious leaders | 13:13 |
| Coke | slaine: it's madness | 13:13 |
| Coke | Nokia did the same with Maemo and PySide | 13:14 |
| tekojo | Coke: do you mean libmeegotouch? | 13:14 |
| slaine | Coke, there's huge gapping holes in MeeGo and the "Public" side of things | 13:14 |
| slaine | we've been shouting long and loud | 13:14 |
| Coke | slaine: I know. Which is why I'll probably stick with Maemo | 13:14 |
| slaine | it'd getting better | 13:14 |
| slaine | it's a slow process as they want their "ta daaaa" moment in the sun | 13:15 |
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| Coke | slaine: I don't think it's possible for suits to understand how things work | 13:15 |
| slaine | Not true | 13:15 |
| Coke | slaine: enlighten me | 13:15 |
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| slaine | Coke, you're perfectly cable of educating yourself | 13:15 |
| Coke | slaine: they are not exactly gaining favor in the community by shutting it out from early development | 13:16 |
| slaine | Absolutely not | 13:16 |
| slaine | but we're not their target audience for the big reveal | 13:16 |
| Coke | slaine: in fact, PySide got slammed pretty hard, iirc | 13:16 |
| slaine | Maemo has had a bumpy road all along | 13:16 |
| Coke | slaine: no, but we're the target to SUSTAIN their platform | 13:16 |
| slaine | due to suit decisions. | 13:16 |
| Coke | otherwise it's just another wince or maemo | 13:17 |
| Coke | slaine: yes, maemo isn't good | 13:17 |
| Coke | it's about the worst linux dist I've had to run, but afaik it's the only one that runs on a phone | 13:17 |
| tekojo | Coke: http://qt.gitorious.org/maemo-6-ui-framework assuming I read your first question right | 13:17 |
| Coke | (well, meego too, now i guess) | 13:17 |
| copyleft | Stskeeps: Great news! I hope I can do something help on that too. :) | 13:17 |
| slaine | Nothing is perfect, but we all have to keep trying. It's very tiring, trust me, I know | 13:17 |
| Coke | tekojo: is the upcoming maemo ui going to be used in meego? | 13:17 |
| Coke | slaine: there's currently not one good mobile platform which sort of bumbs me out | 13:18 |
| Coke | bums | 13:18 |
| tekojo | Coke: well, it's the only place I can find a reference to libmeegotouch on google... | 13:19 |
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| * gour thinks meego is (most) promising | 13:19 | |
| Coke | tekojo: that's amazing. ha! it's in qt's repos, trolltech still delivers | 13:19 |
| tekojo | it's a Qt based library isn't it? | 13:19 |
| tekojo | so it should be in there | 13:20 |
| Coke | tekojo: nah, loads of projects use qt without putting their stuff in qt's own repos | 13:20 |
| Coke | but, it looks as if it's part of Qt dev team | 13:20 |
| tekojo | true, somewhere someone has said it should be there | 13:20 |
| Coke | Good! | 13:21 |
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| Coke | That's good news. Trolltech dudes still rock'n'roll. | 13:21 |
| slaine | Only 7 days to the end of the month | 13:22 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: still on track ? :) | 13:22 |
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| Coke | Man, gitorious is just such a solid site for repos. | 13:23 |
| * w00t_ is increasingly unhappy with it, actually | 13:23 | |
| Stskeeps | slaine: probably, i'm leaving on saturday for a week so i'm expecting doom ;) | 13:23 |
| Coke | w00t_: how come? | 13:23 |
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| w00t_ | Coke: not being able to delete spam comments on commits (not my problem, but I've seen someone trying to get that fixed for over two weeks now), not being able to delete a repo - error occurs which is never fixed, support@ being an alias to /dev/null, ... | 13:24 |
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| Stskeeps | w00t_: i've actually managed to get an answer from support | 13:25 |
| Coke | w00t_: you can always download gitorious and fix it | 13:25 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: really? I've sent two mails now, one to support@, one to support@ CCing someone from gitorious, and I never heard a thing | 13:25 |
| Coke | w00t_: from what I understand they do admit patches | 13:25 |
| w00t_ | Coke: I have enough project ADHD as it is without doing that, and secondly, if I *did* do that, I'd want to talk to someone about the patches first | 13:25 |
| w00t_ | which .. I couldn't do seeing that support@ never replies to me and I never saw someone on IRC in a week apart from gitorious users | 13:26 |
| w00t_ | but this is offtopic here, so I'll stop grumbling :-) | 13:26 |
| Coke | w00t_: you could branch it | 13:26 |
| Coke | fork it | 13:26 |
| w00t_ | nah, I chose to use gitorious instead due to not wanting to make the aforementioned project ADHD worse | 13:26 |
| Coke | Ive been thinking about that too just to add a few features to the wiki :) | 13:26 |
| w00t_ | er | 13:26 |
| w00t_ | *github | 13:27 |
| Coke | I wonder if there's any project sites with git, bug tracker and wiki. | 13:27 |
| w00t_ | (plus I really love github's issue tracker. colourful labels! woo!) | 13:27 |
| w00t_ | that would be github | 13:27 |
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| Coke | Nice. Xorg just crashed. | 13:28 |
| Coke | ati = the devils child | 13:28 |
| w00t_ | Coke: see /msg | 13:28 |
| Coke | still transferring data from gravatar.com | 13:29 |
| Coke | zz | 13:29 |
| Coke | That actually looks nice. | 13:30 |
| Coke | Is the actual github free? | 13:30 |
| Coke | (as in freedom, not beer) | 13:30 |
| w00t_ | iirc *parts* of it are | 13:31 |
| tekojo | w00t_: go over to the gitorious channel that's where the gitorious people hang out :) | 13:31 |
| tekojo | and my experience is that they are pretty helpful | 13:31 |
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| w00t_ | tekojo: I've been idling there a week | 13:32 |
| w00t_ | and seen nothing but people saying "hey, can I get someone to help me with $x", and nothing coming of it | 13:32 |
| Coke | Yeah, IRC isn't as immediate someplaces as youd like sometimes, hehe. | 13:32 |
| Coke | w00t_: github only gives 0.3G | 13:32 |
| lbt | w00t_: I'm using github in an upstream project... and it really does have some nice +es | 13:32 |
| Coke | w00t_: that's 300M | 13:32 |
| lbt | gitorious used to lead... now github does :) | 13:33 |
| Coke | So far it doesn't look like it. | 13:33 |
| lbt | puts some pressure on them ;) | 13:33 |
| Coke | yeah that's good tho | 13:33 |
| * slaine really must learn git properly | 13:33 | |
| w00t_ | lbt: I hope so :) | 13:33 |
| lbt | slaine: !!! | 13:33 |
| tekojo | w00t_: strange none of the usual suspects over there | 13:33 |
| Coke | ok, going home | 13:33 |
| Coke | byesies :) | 13:33 |
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| w00t_ | tekojo: yeah, I found it odd too | 13:33 |
| lbt | slaine: there are some good docs :) | 13:34 |
| slaine | it's more a case of using it in anger | 13:34 |
| lbt | do some bloody work then ;) | 13:34 |
| slaine | so that I know it rather than constantly refering to a cheatsheet | 13:34 |
| slaine | we use perforce here in work, (gag) | 13:34 |
| * lbt hides | 13:34 | |
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| lbt | http://whygitisbetterthanx.com/ .... | 13:35 |
| slaine | I know | 13:36 |
| slaine | we've been planing on moving away to something else of ages, always too busy to do so | 13:36 |
| slaine | I'll try and resurrect my p4togit work | 13:36 |
| * gour is still satisfied with darcs as no. 1 dvcs | 13:36 | |
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| timeless_mbp | http://lol.whygitisbetterthanx.com/ | 13:37 |
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| lbt | gour: Well, it does work well with pascal ;) | 13:50 |
| gour | lbt: lol ;) | 13:50 |
| gour | lbt: i plan to use qtpascal forr meego dev. ;) | 13:50 |
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| matrixx | wow, is there qtpascal? | 13:51 |
| matrixx | that would be nostalgic :) | 13:51 |
| lbt | rofl | 13:52 |
| lbt | ZX-Qt | 13:52 |
| lbt | that's a touch interface for you... | 13:53 |
| * lcuk had a lightpen for zx spectrum | 13:53 | |
| lcuk | imagine that - interactive touch interface before i ever used a mouse | 13:54 |
| tekojo | lcuk: suddenly I feel jealous... | 13:55 |
| sx0n | i had lightsaber but i ran out of batteries. | 13:55 |
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| lcuk | tekojo, seriously - back then this lightpen was magic, and they used to be cheap | 13:55 |
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| tekojo | lcuk: and I didn't have one... | 13:56 |
| lcuk | :D | 13:56 |
| * lcuk searches antique markets for one for you | 13:56 | |
| matrixx | I didn't have either :( | 13:56 |
| sx0n | nes had light gun. | 13:56 |
| lcuk | yeah | 13:56 |
| lcuk | crt scanning was uber cool for such things | 13:56 |
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| tekojo | lcuk: they only work on crt displays, which I haven't seen for years | 13:57 |
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| sx0n | i have one, plus nes with light gun. nes does not work very well though. | 13:58 |
| lcuk | sx0n, at distance it will never be perfect | 13:58 |
| lcuk | and since nes was played across room.. | 13:58 |
| lcuk | the lightpen was obviously held to screen and could happily detect the scan | 13:58 |
| sx0n | wii does it much better now days. | 13:59 |
| sx0n | i actually keep nes just for bubble bobble and zelda | 13:59 |
| lcuk | sx0n, get sunlight at side of tv and you have problems still | 13:59 |
| sx0n | yep | 14:00 |
| matrixx | old marios are also awesome | 14:00 |
| matrixx | and flintstones | 14:00 |
| sx0n | matrixx, we have not played those for long time. | 14:01 |
| matrixx | yes, we should take a session soon :) | 14:01 |
| sx0n | hopefully your nes works better than mine. | 14:02 |
| matrixx | it does ;) | 14:03 |
| sx0n | i think it's condenrsators or somethings are getting old, those don't work so well that they used to. | 14:04 |
| sx0n | something that 'old hit in the side' does not fix | 14:04 |
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| luist | hey... about meego garage, whats the ID of every application that can be installed? its in the XML, for example: id="705df30f-1a3a-4cf3-9612-88542bea8e07" | 15:27 |
| Bostik | looks like output from uuidgen | 15:28 |
| Bostik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universally_Unique_Identifier for further information on what it is and how it is generated, if you're curious | 15:28 |
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| luist | Bostik, hm... ok... but if i want to add a new package to the list, what should i use as id? can i just generate a new one and put in the xml? | 15:30 |
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| Bostik | I believe so, although I'd expect those to be automatically generated | 15:31 |
| luist | its because im telling my garage to read from a custom repository | 15:32 |
| luist | so i gota generate my own list | 15:33 |
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| Bostik | ah, in that case just run uuidgen in the script that generates the file description block and use the value; you're virtually guaranteed to never generate a collision | 15:34 |
| luist | ok thanks... what happens if i have a collision? | 15:34 |
| Bostik | and if you do hit one, there are people in academia who would like to know how you did that :) | 15:34 |
| Bostik | then two packages are treated as they were the same, afaik | 15:35 |
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| MmadA | I have some strange problem with zypper... I don't understand why I can't install software. | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | what device? | 16:33 |
| MmadA | Here is how it looks like: http://pastebin.com/XC8ZN5YN | 16:34 |
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| MmadA | Stskeeps: It's chroot... | 16:34 |
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| Stskeeps | there's a bug in zypper causing armv7l fetches to fail. report as a bug if there isn't one in the first place | 16:35 |
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| MmadA | I have some similar with yum also... | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | hmm :P | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | resolv.conf being OK? | 16:40 |
| MmadA | Stskeeps: wget works fine... ;) | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | that is a bit awkward indeed :) | 16:41 |
| MmadA | I will check with yum again... | 16:42 |
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| MmadA | Here is how it looks like with yum: http://pastebin.com/WYwcQgiw | 16:44 |
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| MmadA | And I see that there is tcpdump package in repo... | 16:45 |
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| w00t_ | http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/nokia-n8-to-be-final-symbian-device-in-n-series-all-meego-from/ | 16:56 |
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| GAN900 | Hopefully that means they'll release something I actually want to buy. | 17:00 |
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| * w00t_ hands GAN900 a daily optimism booster shot. :P | 17:01 | |
| TSCHAKWerk | heheheh | 17:04 |
| TSCHAKWerk | it wouldn't be GAN900 without the piss and vinegar | 17:05 |
| TSCHAKWerk | :P | 17:05 |
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| GAN900 | Unfortunately it seems unlikely they'll ship anything resistive. | 17:09 |
| TSCHAK | resistive screens are falling out of favour just about everywhere | 17:10 |
| TSCHAK | fashion | 17:10 |
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| sanjay | I am running meego setup on my laptop with Ubuntu 9.10 | 17:19 |
| GAN900 | Which makes me sad | 17:19 |
| sanjay | then see blank color black window. | 17:19 |
| GAN900 | and unlikely to purchase much in the way of future mobile devices. | 17:19 |
| GAN900 | Consumers are stupid and Apple's RDF is super strong | 17:20 |
| sanjay | My Dell laptop has Nvidia graphics card in it.. can someone help me how to fix this black emulator issue??? | 17:20 |
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| sivang | GAN900: what's the acronym for RDF? | 18:02 |
| sivang | GAN900: that looked funny on text: | 18:03 |
| sivang | 15:19 < sanjay> I am running meego setup on my laptop with Ubuntu 9.10 | 18:03 |
| sivang | 15:19 < GAN900> Which makes me sad | 18:03 |
| fjrivash | Rich Document Format? | 18:03 |
| sivang | GAN900: ^^ :-) | 18:03 |
| fjrivash | Resource Description Framework | 18:04 |
| GAN900 | infobot! | 18:04 |
| GAN900 | ~rdf | 18:04 |
| infobot | rumour has it, rdf is Reality Distortion Field, the device Steve Jobs uses to make apple products look more shiny than they really are | 18:04 |
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| sivang | GAN900: ahhah so true | 18:07 |
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| sivang | GAN900: have you seen iRaq ? | 18:08 |
| slaine | sigh, another TSG meeting out | 18:09 |
| leinir | sivang: That is made of a disturbing amount of lulz ;) | 18:09 |
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| DawnFoster | slaine: sorry about that | 18:10 |
| slaine | DawnFoster: no worries | 18:11 |
| slaine | I've missed the last few due to work and was looking forward to tonights | 18:11 |
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| DawnFoster | the TSGs are a bit difficult to organize. Busy schedules, etc. | 18:12 |
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| slaine | DawnFoster: nod | 18:13 |
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| DawnFoster | I always feel really bad about rescheduling at the last minute. | 18:14 |
| Myrtti | last minute?! | 18:14 |
| Myrtti | pah | 18:14 |
| Myrtti | there's still plenty of time until 1900 UTC ;-) | 18:14 |
| DawnFoster | Myrtti - good point - that's *hours* of notice :) | 18:15 |
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| Myrtti | I don't have trouble if something is rescheduled hours before to be later. I have trouble if something is rescheduled to be earlier. or if I get an invitation to something that requires more than 10min of preparation less than three days in advance | 18:16 |
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| Myrtti | that's one of the reasons I hate Facebook events, everyone gets a bright idea of doing an event and invites me to attend a day or at best few hours before, to a place that requires me to travel 1/2h - 2hours | 18:17 |
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| Natanaiel | does meego boots from formated sd card with ext3 filesystem on N900? | 18:40 |
| Natanaiel | or it should formated as ex2? | 18:40 |
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| sivu | ext3 is ext2 + journal | 18:42 |
| sivu | mounts as ext2 if needed | 18:42 |
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| CosmoHill | rawr | 19:10 |
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| luist | hey... in garage_data.xml can i specify more than 1 package to install/remove? my problem is that when i remove the application that i installed, it keeps all the deps it installed, which is giving me problems so i want to specify the deps to remove them too | 19:59 |
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| federico1 | where are the sources for chrome-meego-extension? I can't find them in gitorious | 20:51 |
| CosmoHill | you probably won't find them | 20:53 |
| CosmoHill | chrome is closed source | 20:53 |
| CosmoHill | chromium is the open source version | 20:53 |
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| federico1 | CosmoHill: that package consists only of shell and javascripts | 21:01 |
| federico1 | it's the "stuff to plug chromium into meego" package, nothing special | 21:01 |
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| luist | hey... in garage_data.xml can i specify more than 1 package to install/remove? my problem is that when i remove the application that i installed, it keeps all the deps it installed, which is giving me problems so i want to specify the deps to remove them too | 21:19 |
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| auke | why does keeping an unused dependency gives problems? | 21:22 |
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| Natanaiel | after booting meego on my N900 I only see a black screen | 21:26 |
| Natanaiel | I've installed it from this instruction http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC | 21:26 |
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| Votan | mh, I've got Moblin 2.1 installed on a netbook, now i try to isntall meego 1.0 vai usb stick, but it gives me a "bug in initramfs /init detected. dropping to a shell." when i say installation | 21:33 |
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| luist | anyone? | 21:45 |
| lbt | no meeting again tonight? | 21:46 |
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| w00t_ | lbt: delayed to next week, announced on the ML earlier today | 21:50 |
| lbt | ah, OK | 21:50 |
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| lbt | hmm, not a lot of explanation there | 21:52 |
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| GAN900 | lbt, never is. :P | 21:54 |
| lbt | I guess something big next week then.... | 21:54 |
| lbt | which means the entire meeting will be taken up by it | 21:55 |
| lbt | and we essentially won't have a TSG for, what? 5 weeks? | 21:55 |
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| w00t_ | seems a bit poorly done, yes. I'd think it would be better to have two meetings, one for regular business, and one for the upcoming big news that probably delayed it | 21:56 |
| TSCHAKWerk | wth? | 21:57 |
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| TSCHAKWerk | i'm assuming big news == "the release of Handset?" | 21:57 |
| w00t_ | who knows, this is just speculation | 21:57 |
| lbt | shhh.... you'll spoil the big reveal | 21:57 |
| TSCHAKWerk | *rolls-eyes* | 21:58 |
| TSCHAKWerk | damned execs | 21:58 |
| * lbt listens very carefully and hears an echo in the air that seems to have a finnish accent: "They had a big reveal about their UI; damned if we're not having one too!" | 21:59 | |
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| TSCHAKWerk | i really hope we can get past these big reveals | 22:02 |
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| TSCHAKWerk | i see lots of enthusiasm systematically killed off by what amount to repeated slippings on banana peels | 22:03 |
| lbt | fingers crossed it really is just Nokia playing catch up at the "PR points" level | 22:03 |
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| justanick | Hola folks. Two questions: Are there any existing phones that currently support/are shipped with MeeGo? Secondly, I've noticed that MeeGo does not support ATI/Nvidia chipsets, to my surprise- why? The second point just baffles me. | 22:06 |
| microlith | justanick: no phones yet, and no linux distro supports ati/nvidia out of the box as their drivers are not open | 22:07 |
| RST38h | Maybe because Nvidia uses its own ARM CPU and ATI uses AMD? | 22:07 |
| microlith | no effort has been put forth to bring in the nouveaux or whatever open ATi driver there is | 22:07 |
| lbt | ATI drivers are open | 22:07 |
| microlith | lbt: iirc, the open ATI driver is inferior to their closed driver | 22:07 |
| * lbt rephrases.... perfectly good open ATI drivers exist | 22:08 | |
| justanick | Ohhhhhhhh! Okay. I misunderstood then. I thought it meant that neither the nouveaue/radeon/radeonhd nor closed proprietary drivers were supported. | 22:08 |
| justanick | Phew. | 22:08 |
| microlith | and with the focus on netbooks at the moment, I don't know of any target hardware | 22:08 |
| lbt | justanick: they're not | 22:08 |
| justanick | I | 22:08 |
| lbt | justanick: limited support at the moment.... | 22:08 |
| lbt | the focus appears to be on making it work for some specific HW targets | 22:09 |
| justanick | *I'm a bit lost then. So the closed drivers can be installed on MeeGo? This is all that I am curious about. | 22:09 |
| lbt | it'll be interesting once we get community access to an OBS and open the core OBS too | 22:09 |
| * lbt knows nothing about support for closed drivers | 22:10 | |
| justanick | I thought it was just simply not allowed, or something to that effect. My heart stopped reading this on the website for a minute there. Plan to get a MeeGo phone and toss it on a Netbook eventually. | 22:10 |
| justanick | Ahhh... Hmmm. | 22:10 |
| lbt | I think the line is : MeeGo is an open project... it won't be developing closed drivers | 22:11 |
| lbt | OTOH what vendors do with MeeGo is their business | 22:11 |
| justanick | No no. I understand that. Was far from expecting that of MeeGo. | 22:11 |
| justanick | Maybe I should rephrase. | 22:11 |
| RST38h | And you are not buying your gadget from an open project. You are buying it from a vendor. | 22:11 |
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| * RST38h cackles evilly | 22:12 | |
| lbt | and if you want MeeGo to work with your open HW ... you're welcome to try :) | 22:12 |
| lbt | (we'll help) | 22:12 |
| justanick | Granted that a netbook is sporting some supported chipset/gpu (ie: Nvidia 9800 mobile), there is nothing preventing a user from just installing the Nvidia proprietary drivers (not necessarily from the package manager... Let's say compiled from source), yes? | 22:12 |
| justanick | Wunderbar lbt :) Much thanks. | 22:12 |
| lbt | be warned... it's real hard at the moment to get the info you'll need | 22:13 |
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| lbt | the core OBS is closed until we can resolve some ACL issues | 22:13 |
| justanick | Sounds rather ominous... | 22:14 |
| lbt | nah | 22:14 |
| justanick | ACL? Access list? | 22:14 |
| lbt | yes | 22:14 |
| Surfa | access control list | 22:14 |
| justanick | Dammit. I can't wait to learn programming a bit more so I can start helping the devs out with this sort of muck. | 22:14 |
| justanick | So there's an ACL issue with MeeGo in particular? Hmmm. | 22:15 |
| lbt | justanick: no | 22:16 |
| justanick | Oh. OH. I think I got you then :) | 22:16 |
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| justanick | Durr. | 22:16 |
| lbt | missing feature in the OBS which has now been developed but not deployed | 22:17 |
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| justanick | Well, either way, thank you for the help and answers. Cheers :) | 22:19 |
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| logic | just watched the prealpha of the tablet version, looks pretty cool, was wondering, there is a facebook widget. is this also gonna go into the normal meego version? | 22:33 |
| logic | i really mis a handy facebook widget | 22:33 |
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| Votan | Anyone got skype to install on meeego 1.0 ? | 22:39 |
| TSCHAKWerk | yup, download fedora version, install via rpm -ivh, done. | 22:40 |
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| Votan | TSCHAKWerk tells me there's no option -i ? | 22:50 |
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| TSCHAKWerk | ... | 22:51 |
| TSCHAKWerk | you're using the wrong tool | 22:51 |
| TSCHAKWerk | use rpm | 22:51 |
| Votan | damn, was using yum, sry | 22:51 |
| * TSCHAKWerk thwaps Votan on the head :P | 22:51 | |
| Votan | TSCHAKWerk work, cheers mate :> | 22:52 |
| Votan | worked* | 22:52 |
| TSCHAKWerk | good. | 22:52 |
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| arjan | it's generally better to use "yum localinstall" than "rpm -i" | 22:57 |
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| arjan | yum localinstall will also resolve dependencies and download needed pieces for you | 22:57 |
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| Votan | arjan well whatever software i tried to install failed using yum localinstall with a timeout of some adobe mirror o.0 ? | 23:00 |
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| luist | hey... in package garage-client-services, i changed the file /usr/share/garage-client-services/data/config.ini but the one in user folder ~/.config/garage-client-services/config.ini is still the old one, even after a reboot... how can i fix this? | 23:14 |
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| trem | nite alll, sweet dreams | 23:41 |
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| zs | hi, after flashing meego kernel onto n900 with option -f is it possible to get old kernel to boot into maemo? | 23:45 |
| thiago_home | yup | 23:45 |
| thiago_home | download the Maemo image and flash it | 23:45 |
| thiago_home | you can find information in maemo.org's pages. There's a link to "how to flash your device" from the pages explaining how to install the rootshell. | 23:46 |
| zs | yes but i only want to reflash kernel, is it possible? | 23:47 |
| thiago_home | flash the entire image | 23:47 |
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| thiago_home | or, rather, the rootfs | 23:48 |
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| zs | uff, got it working, thanks :) | 23:57 |
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