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| felipec | seems to be a bug in /usr/lib/rpm/find-debuginfo.sh | 00:15 |
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| azull | hi | 01:35 |
| azull | anyone? | 01:36 |
| azull | i need help | 01:36 |
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| azull | anyone? | 01:36 |
| azull | help needed | 01:36 |
| azull | :) | 01:36 |
| thiago_home | no, no one | 01:36 |
| azull | :) | 01:37 |
| azull | hi thiago | 01:37 |
| thiago_home | I'm not here, I'm going to bed | 01:37 |
| azull | have a good night | 01:37 |
| azull | still nobodoy ? | 01:37 |
| azull | i need help | 01:38 |
| azull | i'm trouble with my wifi card | 01:38 |
| azull | intel 3945 | 01:38 |
| azull | meego doesnt support | 01:38 |
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| azull | i found drivers but i couldnt install | 01:38 |
| azull | :( | 01:38 |
| azull | thnx | 01:38 |
| CosmoHill | so meego doesn't support your card out of the box? | 01:39 |
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| azull | it has linux drivers | 01:40 |
| auke | meego should support the i3945 wifi card just fine | 01:40 |
| azull | is it impossible to install it to meego ? | 01:40 |
| auke | the driver is present | 01:41 |
| azull | i'm newbie | 01:41 |
| azull | i think this is the problem :) | 01:41 |
| auke | it should work out of the box | 01:41 |
| auke | you shouldn't need to do anything special | 01:41 |
| azull | no wifi after installation | 01:41 |
| azull | i have wired and bluetooth options, there is no Wi-Fi | 01:42 |
| auke | lspci show the card is present? | 01:43 |
| azull | checking... | 01:43 |
| auke | you should see a line somewhat like this: | 01:44 |
| auke | 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5350 AGN [Echo Peak] Network Connection | 01:44 |
| auke | (different intel card here of course) | 01:44 |
| azull | it says Realtek rtl8187se wireless | 01:44 |
| azull | not intel :( :) | 01:44 |
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| auke | nom | 01:44 |
| azull | :) | 01:44 |
| auke | azull: oops, you seem to have a different wifi card | 01:45 |
| azull | yeap | 01:45 |
| azull | my mistake | 01:45 |
| azull | my pc guide says it is intel | 01:45 |
| satmd | I think that one is in recent stages | 01:45 |
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| azull | i will try to install realtek | 01:46 |
| auke | http://bugzilla.moblin.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6046 | 01:46 |
| auke | it's known to be buggy, unfortunately | 01:46 |
| auke | you can help by posting relevant unformation in the bugzilla | 01:46 |
| azull | can't i use wifi right now ? | 01:46 |
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| azull | i found a solution at forum | 01:50 |
| azull | i'm applying | 01:50 |
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| azull | how can i take the ownership of a directory ? | 02:06 |
| CosmoHill | what you trying to do? | 02:07 |
| azull | i found a solution in the meego forum | 02:07 |
| azull | im applying it | 02:07 |
| CosmoHill | as what user? | 02:07 |
| azull | and i have to make some changes in a file | 02:07 |
| azull | i'm root | 02:07 |
| azull | but it doesnt allow | 02:07 |
| CosmoHill | then something is broken | 02:07 |
| CosmoHill | the root user doesn't have permission problems | 02:08 |
| azull | the file which i have to make changes just downloaded from net | 02:08 |
| azull | and | 02:08 |
| azull | extracted | 02:08 |
| azull | tar | 02:08 |
| azull | how can i make changes in a file from terminal? | 02:09 |
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| azull | ? | 02:10 |
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| CosmoHill | depends on the file | 02:17 |
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| CosmoHill | azull: TSCHAKeee2 will help you | 02:18 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 02:19 |
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| azull | ok | 02:19 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | wha? wha? | 02:19 |
| azull | hi friend | 02:19 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | yes? | 02:19 |
| azull | i have a permission problem | 02:19 |
| azull | i'm root | 02:19 |
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| azull | but i cant make change in a file | 02:19 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | which file? | 02:20 |
| azull | MakeFile is the name of file | 02:20 |
| azull | in tmp | 02:20 |
| azull | just downloaded and extracted | 02:20 |
| azull | i'm trying to install my wifi card | 02:20 |
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| lcuk | azull, do 2 things, type "whois; ls -l /tmp/Makefile" and give results | 02:22 |
| lcuk | morning DawnFoster | 02:22 |
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| azull | ok i made it vie terminal | 02:23 |
| azull | via | 02:24 |
| azull | i edited the file | 02:24 |
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| azull | is there any office pack for meego | 02:36 |
| azull | like word excel pwrpont? | 02:36 |
| azull | can i install openoffice? | 02:36 |
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| wickedcarp | Hi! | 04:38 |
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| wickedcarp | Hello. I'm new to meego, but am very interested and excited to help in any way I can. | 04:39 |
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| fjrivash | Stskeeps, good morning!. Does somebody knows if there is a guide or something like that to build meego from sources? | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | fjrivash: morn | 11:01 |
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| Myrtti | *yawn* | 11:02 |
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| Stskeeps | fjrivash: well, i would start out with grabbing a sh4 cross compiler and then try to build glibc source package with rpmbuild --target=sh4 i guess, or something :) | 11:06 |
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| fjrivash | Stskeeps, great! :D. | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | i don't know, but look into what other RPM os'es did to port things | 11:11 |
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| thiago_home | I'd say that the first question of porting is to select a toolchain | 11:12 |
| thiago_home | upstream gcc is very good for x86 and x86-64 | 11:12 |
| thiago_home | but is it good for your arch? | 11:12 |
| fjrivash | Yes I was looking in Debian or fedora too but there is no formal guide to do it. | 11:12 |
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| thiago_home | usually gcc and g++ as the worst parts to consider, since they affect the code a lot | 11:13 |
| thiago_home | the linker and assembler usually just work (binutils) | 11:13 |
| fjrivash | Actually I have a toolchain and a kernel that is why I am looking for a porting guide, here some people is giving very good ideas and sending mails to meego-dev list too. | 11:14 |
| thiago_home | ok, good, now start building the packages | 11:14 |
| thiago_home | start with glibc, then work your way through the middleware stack | 11:14 |
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| thiago_home | as for the kernel, you should ensure that all patches you have applied are in the queue for the next upstream version | 11:15 |
| thiago_home | then switch to it when it comes out | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | well, i'd work my way to the typical build essentials | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | middleware OBS can handle eventually | 11:17 |
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| fjrivash | ok I want to have a big picture of the whole process so : first select a toolchain, take sources of the kernel, in this step do I need to create a chroot with a system base?, we are trying to create a chroot just with a base system? we think that we can use mock to recompile packages, is that correct? | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | that is one way i'd guess | 11:25 |
| fjrivash | :D Thank you very much! I will keep you updated. | 11:28 |
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| Stskeeps | usually base system is the worst part | 11:28 |
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| fjrivash | Stskeeps, yes It seems to be, but it is very interesting | 11:31 |
| fjrivash | :D | 11:31 |
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| FunkyPenguin | any chance someone could advise what the meego macro %autogen is supposed to do please? | 12:15 |
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| fjrivash | FunkyPenguin, where is that macro? | 12:17 |
| FunkyPenguin | fjrivash, in the %build section of spec files | 12:18 |
| FunkyPenguin | granted not all but most of them | 12:18 |
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| fjrivash | do you mean the specs files of RPMs? | 12:22 |
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| FunkyPenguin | fjrivash, yes, those macros arent in openSUSE | 12:25 |
| FunkyPenguin | the odd ones for me are %autogen and %reconfigure | 12:25 |
| fjrivash | Ahh yes I am watching an example | 12:26 |
| fjrivash | it does not seems to be commonly used.. | 12:27 |
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| fjrivash | thiago, :P "/me" means "/me says.." is not it | 12:54 |
| thiago | most people just don't get the IRC Narrator | 12:54 |
| dotblank | will Meego be compatible with the applications in qt 4.6 with the platform specific attributes? | 12:54 |
| dotblank | example: Qt::WA_Meamo5AutoRotation | 12:54 |
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| dotblank | Or is everything going to be based off qt mobility? | 12:55 |
| thiago | platform-specific features are platform-specific | 12:56 |
| thiago | in most cases, they are a no-op in other platforms than the one they are specific to | 12:56 |
| thiago | in the Maemo5 case, those attributes are not even present in the main library | 12:56 |
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| dotblank | So If I wanted rotation support in my app and be mmego and maemo compatable I would need to sue ifdefs? Or is qt mobility the ultimate goal here? | 12:58 |
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| fjrivash | Stskeeps, thiago we created a chroot with a very basic system base, our first approach is try to build meego from scratch taking this chroot as an starting point. | 13:31 |
| fjrivash | http://pastebin.com/mFNbr18u those are the steps to create the very very basic chroot | 13:32 |
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| Stskeeps | mm, you have rpm and yum on your sh4? | 13:34 |
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| fjrivash | not yet I forgot to say that our first approach try to build meego for x86 first to know the whole process, and after do the same process for sh4. | 13:40 |
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| Stskeeps | well on x86 you have the luxury of pre-existing binaries.. | 13:43 |
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| fjrivash | Stskeeps, that is true, but as we do not know the whole standard process we have to figure out and then do the same for sh4 with the addition of recompiling. | 13:48 |
| fjrivash | actually I am installing by hand each package in our chroot enviroment with the hope that at the end we are going to have a meego distribution (we hppe) :P | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | well, that is easier done with mic2.. | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:49 |
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| fcocuadrado | stskeeps: yes, but with mic2 he doesn't learn the process to compile a meego system from scratch | 13:53 |
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| amjad | ok first for any system you need to build the toolchain, (gcc, glibc,binutils and may be gdb), then you start compiling kernel against the tool chain and then other packages in chroot, | 13:55 |
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| townxelliot | dneary: you remember we talked about a code samples site for MeeGo? have you had any further thoughts on that? | 14:30 |
| dneary | townxelliot, I haven't worked on it | 14:30 |
| dneary | I still think it would be a great idea, and the software is there :) | 14:30 |
| dneary | It hasn't been a top priority for me in recent weeks... | 14:30 |
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| townxelliot | dneary: which software do you think would be appropriate? | 14:36 |
| fjrivash | sorry, I know that question is not for me, IMHO I am pretty sure you can divide them in categories for example for Phones or Handhelds and for Netbooks, because you can put a simple example of code that shows use of accelerometers, | 14:39 |
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| townxelliot | fjrivash: I was trying to get an idea of which software could host the code examples site; as for the examples themselves, I've got no bias about how it should be organised | 14:43 |
| fjrivash | ahhh! ok... | 14:44 |
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| dneary | townxelliot, Of the ones I looked at last month, I saw that 2 of them were free software | 14:53 |
| dneary | townxelliot, I'd need to go hunting to dig up the links... | 14:53 |
| dneary | I'm just going for lunch here now. | 14:54 |
| dneary | And I'm on a project this afternoon | 14:54 |
| townxelliot | dneary: can you remember names? :) | 14:54 |
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| dneary | The one I saw that we could definitely reuse was the Django one | 14:54 |
| townxelliot | dneary: OK, I'll have a gander at that, thanks | 14:55 |
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| dneary | townxelliot, I might be mixing up with the django book & reader comments | 14:56 |
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| townxelliot | dneary: OK, it's not desperate, I can wait for you to dig if you don't mind doing so | 14:56 |
| dneary | ok | 14:57 |
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| dneary | Here's a few I just found now: http://snippets.symfony-project.org/ | 14:59 |
| dneary | http://snipplr.com/ | 14:59 |
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| dneary | http://www.snippets.org/ | 14:59 |
| dneary | Forget about that last one... | 14:59 |
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| slaine | townxelliot: have you seen the work jono bacon did for Ubuntu and the opportunistic programmer ? | 15:25 |
| Myrtti | slaine: if you mention the C-word, I'll scream | 15:26 |
| slaine | Mostly pythong snippets I believe | 15:26 |
| slaine | hmm, pythong, best typo of the day | 15:27 |
| sivu | that reminds me of mixture of monty python and python | 15:27 |
| sivu | pyThong | 15:27 |
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| * thiago watched a documentary on Python last month | 15:31 | |
| thiago | the elder Python | 15:31 |
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| tekojo | question: Fedora 13 and meego image creator, do I install with the F12 guide? | 15:36 |
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| Stskeeps | tekojo: think so | 15:48 |
| slaine | I guess report bugs as appropriate then | 15:50 |
| slaine | if F13 doesn't turn out the same | 15:51 |
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| tekojo | it installed at least, test tomorrow then | 16:08 |
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| sivang | slaine: what has he done, he did it for Canonical? | 16:10 |
| sivang | Myrtti: What's the C- word? :) | 16:11 |
| slaine | sivang: he made a code snippets app, the idea being that noivce coders could make up an app quickly if they'd high quality code snippets | 16:11 |
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| Myrtti | sivang: community | 16:14 |
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| vilvo | has anyone tried image-creator with meego 1.0? | 16:17 |
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| townxelliot | slaine: oh yes, I've seen Jono's work; I used to work with him, as it happens :) the snippets tool is pretty good, but Python-specific IIRC | 16:17 |
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| vilvo | tried yesterday and progressed a bit with modifying checker script but I guess it should be doable by installing dependencies from fedora | 16:18 |
| slaine | yes, was just wondering of something similar would be applicable | 16:18 |
| slaine | iirc, the snippets where stored on the webs | 16:18 |
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| townxelliot | slaine: might be worth considering | 16:20 |
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| tekojo | what's the difference between daily and preview in the meego.com repo? | 16:50 |
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| Sage | preview on fridays as preview of the weekly and daily every day? | 16:59 |
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| tekojo | Sage: thanks, I guess so, but isn't obvious from timestamps | 17:00 |
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| Sage | tekojo: http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Process#Development_Builds | 17:01 |
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| Steven- | Is 1.0 on my N900 worth it? | 17:14 |
| Steven- | i.e. for daily productive use and use as a phone/sms | 17:15 |
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| dvalfre | Steven-: as far as I know you won´t have an UI | 17:16 |
| Steven- | Well that answers that then! Wait for 1.1 in October? :D | 17:16 |
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| kaz2057 | excuse me, but meego may use any zypper repository (example is suse)? | 17:48 |
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| slaine | kaz2057: no | 17:51 |
| slaine | otherwise you'll start replacing meego rpms with suse rpms | 17:51 |
| kaz2057 | why is not possible? | 17:53 |
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| kaz2057 | meego rpms is different from rpms of suse? | 17:55 |
| slaine | all distro's have their won packages, regardless of what format those packages are contained in | 17:56 |
| slaine | s/won/own/ | 17:56 |
| infobot | slaine meant: all distro's have their own packages, regardless of what format those packages are contained in | 17:56 |
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| Stskeeps | arjan: hmm, who's in charge of MeeGo Kernel Bot? i just noticed linux-2.6-build-nonintconfig.patch from OBS isn't synced with gitorious kernel-source.git, hence a checkout + drop in linux-2.6.34.tar.gz + scripts/sequence-patch.sh fails | 20:17 |
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| Stskeeps | (of the gitorious one) | 20:19 |
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| arjan | Stskeeps: Yong is | 20:31 |
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| luist | hello guys... where does garage netbook ui load the application list from? | 21:13 |
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| thiago_home | magic :-) | 21:16 |
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| luist | well its from http://meego.com/sites/all/files/garage/garage_delta.xml remotely right | 21:16 |
| luist | but it doesnt exist... can anyone provide me this file? is there a mirror? | 21:17 |
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| wickedcarp | Hi! | 21:22 |
| thiago_home | hello | 21:23 |
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| tekojo | ping X-Fade | 21:25 |
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| luist | uh? | 21:26 |
| luist | someone? | 21:26 |
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| wickedcarp | Hi. How is everyone? | 21:27 |
| wickedcarp | The wiki needs a lot of help. Specifically development documentation. | 21:27 |
| * Myrtti feels someone walking on her grave | 21:28 | |
| Myrtti | OHAI! ^____^ | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | wickedcarp: signing up to help? | 21:29 |
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| wickedcarp | stskeeps: I would be glad to help. How would I "sign up" formally? | 21:31 |
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| CosmoHill | wait a minute, it's not friday | 21:34 |
| Bostik | friday is a state of mind | 21:34 |
| luist | how can i get this http://meego.com/sites/all/files/garage/garage_delta.xml that is used by garage, but seems to be down? | 21:35 |
| luist | any mirror? | 21:35 |
| luist | what mailing list could i ask for that? | 21:36 |
| DawnFoster | luist: I'm asking about it now | 21:36 |
| DawnFoster | luist: I'm pinging the 2 people who would know the answer to that question, but neither of them are online at the moment (near lunch here). | 21:37 |
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| CosmoHill | tea time | 21:40 |
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| luist | DawnFoster ok.. ill be right here if u find out :) | 22:09 |
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| bspencer_ | DawnFoster: did you ring? | 22:38 |
| bspencer_ | http://meego.com/sites/all/files/garage/garage_data.xml | 22:38 |
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| DawnFoster | hey bespencer_! | 22:38 |
| bspencer_ | howdy | 22:38 |
| bspencer_ | you can call me bespencer | 22:38 |
| DawnFoster | luist: it looks like that's your answer | 22:38 |
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| Robot101 | bspencer_: hey | 22:39 |
| DawnFoster | luist: was your garage client looking for garage_delta.xml? | 22:39 |
| bspencer_ | howdy Robot101 | 22:39 |
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| DawnFoster | bspencer: have you seen that garage_delta url before? Was the garage client set to use it at some point? | 22:42 |
| bspencer_ | no, I didn't see that before | 22:44 |
| bspencer_ | I don't recall ever having that file used | 22:44 |
| tekojo | hi bspencer_ | 22:46 |
| bspencer_ | hi teko | 22:46 |
| bspencer_ | oops, <tab> completion failed me | 22:46 |
| DawnFoster | OK, hopefully, luist can pop back into the channel and provide some more details for us | 22:46 |
| bspencer_ | hi tekojo | 22:46 |
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| * lbt waves | 23:10 | |
| * CosmoHill waves back | 23:10 | |
| lbt | bspencer_: hey... any news on our toys? | 23:10 |
| lbt | anaZ1: around? | 23:10 |
| tekojo | lbt: need some more rack space, but we should get some hardware soon | 23:12 |
| tekojo | Mike was asking for how much disk the OBS needs | 23:12 |
| lbt | hi tekojo ... OK | 23:12 |
| lbt | all of it | 23:12 |
| tekojo | leave a bit for the websire :) | 23:13 |
| lbt | nah, I'd like to get some sizes from anaZ1 | 23:13 |
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| lbt | we're doing OK on the maemo.org one ... | 23:13 |
| tekojo | now that it has the ports open | 23:14 |
| lbt | I've not caught up with X-Fade for a while... | 23:14 |
| tekojo | he was on in the morning (local) at least | 23:14 |
| lbt | and frankly my new toys are taking my attention | 23:14 |
| lbt | OK, I'll make a note to ping him tomorrow | 23:15 |
| tekojo | oh, reserve a bit of time to make new toys :) | 23:15 |
| lbt | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-infrastructure-tools/boss/ | 23:15 |
| tekojo | that's a good toy | 23:15 |
| lbt | yeah, I'm just setting up a python client | 23:15 |
| lbt | it's really cool actually | 23:16 |
| lbt | getting into the internals more today | 23:16 |
| lbt | got some commits into the core now | 23:16 |
| lbt | so the devs are responsive and helpful | 23:16 |
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| lbt | This may send you to sleep sometime : http://wiki.github.com/jmettraux/ruote/overview | 23:17 |
| tekojo | good to hear | 23:17 |
| lbt | the first page is mgmt-overview material | 23:17 |
| tekojo | sleep in five minutes, as soon as Argentina stops beating Greece :) | 23:17 |
| lbt | oh yeah, I heard there was lots of football on at the moment | 23:18 |
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| tekojo | now they stopped, time to sleep :) | 23:20 |
| tekojo | bye! | 23:21 |
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| Gatto | hi | 23:23 |
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| luist | DawnFoster i think so... its set in the config.ini | 23:24 |
| luist | DawnFoster it reads a local one, but the remote one is used to update the xml file right | 23:24 |
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| bspencer_ | luist: hi, are you talking about garage_data.xml? | 23:35 |
| bspencer_ | lbt: hi. Mike is the guy for the hardware status. Let me check | 23:35 |
| * bspencer_ checks config file | 23:36 | |
| lbt | bspencer_: and we were supposed to talk about something else weren't we? | 23:36 |
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| bspencer_ | obs | 23:39 |
| bspencer_ | and sdk | 23:39 |
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| lbt | ah, yes, SDK :) | 23:39 |
| lbt | I've been holding back on that until we get the community OBS sorted I think | 23:40 |
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| lbt | and he's here too! | 23:41 |
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| bspencer_ | lbt: right. OK. | 23:41 |
| lbt | bspencer_: I feel the OBS is going to be a useful option for some devs | 23:43 |
| bspencer_ | lbt: true, if it is fast enough | 23:43 |
| lbt | not sure how it fits with the gui tools though | 23:43 |
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| lbt | well, it's the local build side too | 23:43 |
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| lbt | it continually updates; has the option to support multiple targets... | 23:44 |
| lbt | multiple arches | 23:44 |
| lbt | all locally | 23:44 |
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