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| lcuk | Stskeeps, your point about a working community. the biggest fact remains, not everyone in the community wants to work! and being pushed all the time adds to the perception. whilst some of us are really hard working we shouldnt expect everyone else to be full pelt all the time :D | 00:03 |
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| * lcuk offers some cat pictures as exhibit a | 00:04 | |
| lcuk | http://icanhascheezburger.com/ | 00:04 |
| CosmoHill | kitty on a washing line! | 00:05 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, i was just mentioning earlier to lardman about beers in uk - i hadnt gotten round to seeing anything else, but we should organise yourself and whoever wants to come along | 00:06 |
| CosmoHill | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/funny-pictures-cat-is-ninja.jpg | 00:07 |
| CosmoHill | holy crap that's an awesome picture | 00:07 |
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| lcuk | :D CosmoHill i thought same, amazing pose | 00:08 |
| thiago_home | :-) | 00:08 |
| CosmoHill | something thinks that it should be holding something | 00:08 |
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| CosmoHill | I haz TV | 00:09 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:09 |
| CosmoHill | sweet dreams trem | 00:09 |
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| jamalta | Hi, I am having an issue with Empathy on MeeGo 1.0, and before reporting a bug I wanted to make sure it isn't already fixed. Are there nightly or beta builds of MeeGo anywhere? I couldn't find a reference anywhere in the site. Thanks! | 00:15 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: if I was doing something productive I'd be annoyed at you cos I'm now reading the cats | 00:15 |
| lcuk | it ssunday night on fathers day ;) | 00:16 |
| CosmoHill | I have no concept of time and I'm not a dad | 00:16 |
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| * CosmoHill devourers a muffin and offers others | 00:39 | |
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| CosmoHill | http://www.flickr.com/photos/fraise/4649676569/in/photostream/ ooo | 01:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'd really have liked to have seen fewer talks and more collaborative work at the MeeGo conference. . . . | 06:45 |
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| pxchen_ | if meego touch framework = meego handset UX | 09:12 |
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| kenya888 | hi, | 09:35 |
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| kenya888 | does anyone have been logged in to build.meego.com? | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | i have, but if you're expecting to build your own apps there, you'll want the community obs | 09:37 |
| kenya888 | i tried to login with my suse account, but cannot. any other account must be have? | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | which isn't up yet | 09:37 |
| kenya888 | Stskeeps, Oh :-P | 09:37 |
| kenya888 | i'd like to build my app for meego. which obs can i use, do you know? | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | the answer is there's no current place atm :/ | 09:38 |
| kenya888 | oh, i see... :-( | 09:38 |
| kenya888 | thx :-) | 09:39 |
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| Stskeeps | morn slaine | 10:19 |
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| amjad | morn slaine | 10:26 |
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| slaine | morning Stskeeps amjad | 10:30 |
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| fjrivash | Hello good morning!. Is there any documentation which explains if MeeGo uses uclibc or glibc?. | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | glibc | 11:43 |
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| fjrivash | Does somebody knows about documentations that makes a comparison between uclibc and glibc? | 11:43 |
| fjrivash | Stskeeps: thanks! is there any document that explain that? | 11:44 |
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| Stskeeps | think there's an architecture diagram | 11:45 |
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| fjrivash | Stskeeps: thanks, you are right it was right in front of my face :P | 11:48 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:50 |
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| fjrivash | I have a last question : is there any documentation about meego port to other architectures?, I mean, a porting methodology or something like that. | 11:51 |
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| fjrivash | Jaffa: morning! | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | fjrivash: what type of device do you hope to port to? | 11:52 |
| fjrivash | Stskeeps: SH4, I have a new version of Gyy which comes with that SH4 architecture | 11:53 |
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| Stskeeps | hm, does SH4 have a fedora? | 11:55 |
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| fjrivash | Stskeeps: sorry, yes there is a port of Fedora 6 for SH4, but it is too old, actually there is Debian for SH4 but I really prefer to try with MeeGo. | 12:29 |
| fjrivash | That is why I am looking for enough information about porting methodologies and MeeGo for other hardware architectures | 12:30 |
| fjrivash | Sorry I have to go out for a second I will be right back in few seconds | 12:31 |
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| fjrivash | ready | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | right, there's an ongoing discussion on meego-dev, i'd jump in there if i were you | 12:33 |
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| fjrivash | I saw this morning a message of USA Linux UAE I replied it but there no answer yet, I hope the next days would be one or more reponses. | 12:36 |
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| xDaReaperx | #n9 | 12:45 |
| xDaReaperx | oops sorr | 12:45 |
| xDaReaperx | sorry 8 | 12:45 |
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| fjrivash | Stskeeps, I am reading this Official_Meego_.ks_files wiki page and I one part of the document they are referring to a local repository they say that the repository contains rpms (which are sources) so I wonder is there a compilation process of those packages when you create the image. | 13:17 |
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| Stskeeps | url? | 13:18 |
| fjrivash | http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation#Official_Meego_.ks_files | 13:18 |
| fjrivash | Repos part | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so, the main problem is really bootstrapping | 13:19 |
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| fjrivash | mmm what do you mean? | 13:19 |
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| fjrivash | Stskeeps, I am not an expert on this, so I think I need to have sources (x86 for example, which are available) I recompile them for the new architecture, I already have a compiler, but I do not know which is the right order to compile them, actually my first approach is down to up, I mean from the kernel, after system libraries and so on. Am I right? | 13:25 |
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| Stskeeps | basically you need to get sufficient packages compiled for your architecture that it can compile packages | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | ie, gcc, bash, the usual build dependancies.. | 13:26 |
| fjrivash | Stskeeps, yes actually I saw the MeeGo's Base OS specs and that is why I am looking for documentation on porting and that stuff. | 13:28 |
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| fjrivash | One thing I am worried about is the dependencies, because I can not find right references on build MeeGo from scratch, I am trying to reproduce from scratch the process of create a meego images from sources. | 13:29 |
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| Stskeeps | for ARM we took the fedora ARM base and built all packages against that initially | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | to the point it was selfhosting | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so, first off - do you have a SH4 board? | 13:31 |
| fjrivash | which version of fedora did you use for it? | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | 12 | 13:31 |
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| fjrivash | Ok I got it!, so the best approach is to have, for example, fedora core 6 for sh4 and recompile all the packages against it? | 13:33 |
| fjrivash | yes I have it | 13:33 |
| fjrivash | fortunately | 13:33 |
| fjrivash | and they provide a kernel a toolchain and a rootfs. also I am reading the O'Reilly book trying to get more ideas on embedded systems and that stuff | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 13:35 |
| fjrivash | sometimes I think I have the right tools but I have not a clear idea on how to use it :P | 13:36 |
| fjrivash | Stskeeps, did you read the message from that guy, who ask for a meego-porting list? | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | got a fairly new rootstrap with a modern compiler? | 13:41 |
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| Stskeeps | rootfs has to contain at least gcc, make and such | 13:41 |
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| Stskeeps | fjrivash: ok, are you capable of building a RPM package in general? | 13:50 |
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| slaine | cool, I'm famous | 15:48 |
| slaine | my wifi instructions where linked in a meego review on pcworld | 15:48 |
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| jarkko^ | what's pc world? :) hehe | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: seemingily my former ircd product which i left long ago, is now used of a prime example of open source not always being secure, heh | 15:52 |
| slaine | nice | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | making it to itworld and other scary places | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | (there was a former webmaster hacking the site, replacing tar.g | 15:53 |
| slaine | eek | 15:53 |
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| Stskeeps | zs with backdoors and it got unnoticed for about a year | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | and even distributions got fooled, as md5sums were modded too :) | 15:53 |
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| satmd | it was a former webmaster? | 15:54 |
| satmd | you know more than me?! | 15:54 |
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| Stskeeps | satmd: i've actually seen the php the site is made of, i personally wouldn't be surprised | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | guy knew enough to pull it off | 15:54 |
| satmd | true | 15:54 |
| satmd | but I'd be angry at syszop if I wasn't told such details as I'm trying to do the PR on this thing | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | satmd: i don't know details and haven't spoken to syzop | 15:55 |
| satmd | k | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | but judging from what is out, i'm quite sure where to place the blame | 15:56 |
| satmd | officially (and inofficially) we don't have a final conclusion yet | 15:56 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, did you find out if it was any of your patches that caused it *grin* | 15:56 |
| satmd | well, I blame the lazy admin :p | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: nah, never touched the website | 15:56 |
| lcuk | it was the website? i thought it was codebase that was compromised (and yes uploaded but thats nto the problem rly) | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | CVS was fine, tar.gz's on mirrors and website were compromised | 15:57 |
| satmd | lcuk: someone downloaded the tarball, manipulated it, uploaded it (<- that's the hack part) | 15:57 |
| lcuk | yeah what was the actual compromise tho | 15:57 |
| lcuk | ie what did they add | 15:58 |
| satmd | hard to tell months after the upload | 15:58 |
| lcuk | should be easy to diff against cvs | 15:58 |
| satmd | 4 lines of #define and a single statement | 15:58 |
| satmd | yeah, we have several copies to check against | 15:58 |
| satmd | it's "just" the additional #define and a system() call | 15:58 |
| satmd | bad thing our check script broke 2 years ago and noone fixed it | 15:59 |
| * satmd really disliked that fact | 15:59 | |
| lcuk | what was the trigger? ie could i send a remote string over a compromised server and have it execture? | 15:59 |
| satmd | exactly | 15:59 |
| satmd | you would not even need to do nick/pass/user | 15:59 |
| lcuk | thats nice | 15:59 |
| satmd | but we already had a user top that | 16:00 |
| elenbert | Hi there. I had installed Meego release and try to find dhcp client database/lease files. I looked in /var/lib/dhcleint and /var/lib/dhcpv6, but this dirs is empty. Somebody can tell me where i can find what i want ? Thanks. | 16:00 |
| satmd | they got hacked and yet *reused* the trojaned tarball on another server | 16:00 |
| satmd | got hacked twice and tried to blame that on us too | 16:00 |
| lcuk | how was the compromise discovered? | 16:01 |
| satmd | someone noticed a diff in md5 | 16:01 |
| satmd | he had a local copy to check against | 16:01 |
| lcuk | but no wild attack reports before? | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | just rumours | 16:01 |
| satmd | see full-disclosure | 16:02 |
| satmd | someone named ac1db1tch3z claims to have pulled that off | 16:02 |
| satmd | and wanted to sell that as part of an exploit kit | 16:02 |
| satmd | yet, that's just rumours, too | 16:02 |
| * satmd personally checked all commits back to 22 months ago | 16:03 | |
| lcuk | good for you. sounds nasty, glad its sorted | 16:03 |
| satmd | ac1db1tch3z claim there was another backdoor, I did not find anything suspicious | 16:03 |
| satmd | not even remotely suspicious | 16:03 |
| lcuk | theres always backdoors | 16:03 |
| lcuk | or rather entrypoints | 16:04 |
| satmd | true, but they claimed that they placed it there | 16:04 |
| lcuk | i dont think theres much fully audited completely secure software out there | 16:04 |
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| satmd | they claimed that we only found one of two | 16:04 |
| lcuk | eep | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | satmd: heh, ever heard the story of HSARC? | 16:04 |
| satmd | not yet? | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | satmd: drbin added a command causing a null pointer reference for win32 backtrace debugging and forgot to turn it off for real win32 builds.. | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | HSARC in reverse ies .. :) | 16:06 |
| satmd | lol | 16:06 |
| satmd | nice one | 16:06 |
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| satmd | I wonder why we still keep the cvs if one of our guys has a mercurial | 16:06 |
| satmd | we should switch to anything saner than cvs | 16:06 |
| satmd | of all vcs, cvs is the easiest to manipulate | 16:07 |
| satmd | and I only checked the mercurial | 16:07 |
| satmd | which is not public | 16:07 |
| satmd | at least press is now getting the windows part right | 16:10 |
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| fjrivash | Stskeeps, sorry I was having lunch and went to other office. Yes I am capable of build RPM packages. | 16:19 |
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| fjrivash | Stskeeps, there is some replies to USA Linux mail, one of them has this reference http://wiki.meego.com/MPG | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. we need something a little lower level | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | but this is an area we can cevolve in | 16:25 |
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| fjrivash | Stskeeps, yes that is right, actually I think one of the best starting point is a methodology for porting and fill each task/step | 16:32 |
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| Myrtti | *yawn* | 18:01 |
| DawnFoster | Anyone with a netbook running MeeGo 1.0 want to test some upgrade instructions for me? I need someone who hasn't already applied any of our bug fixes / system updates. | 18:04 |
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| * thiago had some Intel people here today who had one | 18:11 | |
| thiago | they've already left though | 18:11 |
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| DawnFoster | thiago - Most of the intel people have already done the updates. I was hoping to find someone to test the instructions from the beginning | 18:13 |
| zaheer__ | DawnFoster, sure | 18:13 |
| zaheer__ | i have done no updates except flash 10.1 | 18:13 |
| DawnFoster | zaheer__: Great! | 18:13 |
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| DawnFoster | Here are the instructions: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_Updates | 18:13 |
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| slaine | I can test too | 18:14 |
| DawnFoster | slaine - sweet, thanks! | 18:14 |
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| DawnFoster | as a bonus, the updates have a ton of bug fixes | 18:14 |
| zaheerm | awesome | 18:14 |
| DawnFoster | let me know if you have any questions or suggestions for the instructions | 18:15 |
| zaheerm | will do just booted my netbook | 18:15 |
| zaheerm | love the 7 second boot :) | 18:15 |
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| blino | DawnFoster: I'll test that as well | 18:15 |
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| zaheerm | 1 update available package manager bug fixes | 18:18 |
| DawnFoster | yeah, there was a huge bug in the package manager that had to be fixed before the rest of the updates could be installed :) | 18:19 |
| zaheerm | DawnFoster, is it possible other updates won't show until after installing package manager bug fixes? | 18:19 |
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| DawnFoster | exactly | 18:19 |
| zaheerm | DawnFoster, so maybe this should be reflectedin wiki | 18:20 |
| DawnFoster | there will be a bunch of updates after the package manager fix | 18:20 |
| slaine | ok, so apply the package manage fix and then try update again | 18:20 |
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| zaheerm | yes so rest now show up and are being updated | 18:21 |
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| * trip0 cries that meego 1.0 netbook doesn't seem to have nouveau graphics :( :( | 18:23 | |
| DawnFoster | zaheerm, I just updated the instructions to make that more clear. | 18:23 |
| zaheerm | yah wiki looks better | 18:23 |
| slaine | trip0: it's explicitly stated that it's for intel atoms with intel graphics | 18:24 |
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| trip0 | slaine, it wouldn't have been difficult to add support for nouveau and be able to power my zotac ION/Atom330 board | 18:25 |
| slaine | for who ? | 18:25 |
| lcuk | lol DawnFoster updating the package manager first is cool :D | 18:25 |
| DawnFoster | trip0: like with most open source projects, we started with something, and hope that other people will contribute fixes for additional hardware :) | 18:26 |
| slaine | looks like I've a wl-kmod rebuild to do after this | 18:26 |
| DawnFoster | The Linux kernel started by supporting the hardware that Linus owned, and now look at everything it supports :) | 18:26 |
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| DawnFoster | lcuk: well, we had a huge bug in the package manager that prevented people from updating correctly ;) | 18:27 |
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| DawnFoster | You couldn't scroll down to click continue if there were 5 or more updates :) | 18:27 |
| lcuk | haha | 18:27 |
| slaine | I've often had to do that in the past too, push out updates to the update code, that is | 18:28 |
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| lcuk | yeah tis sensible | 18:29 |
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| blino | DawnFoster: after applying the package manager updates, and restarting the updates GUI, I have 33 new updates available, but the "Install Updates" button is disabled | 18:32 |
| zaheerm | DawnFoster, so should i keep these repos added now in my netbook or should i remove them | 18:32 |
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| blino | (and fixed a smallish typo on the wiki page) | 18:34 |
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| DawnFoster | zaheerm - keep the repos | 18:35 |
| DawnFoster | the update process will continue to use them | 18:35 |
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| zaheerm | DawnFoster, how will others do the update without this repo adding magic? :) | 18:35 |
| DawnFoster | blino - give it a few minutes. Mine was disabled while the package manager refreshed everything. It should appear | 18:35 |
| blino | DawnFoster: actually, packagekitd is using 100% CPU for a long time... | 18:35 |
| blino | it feels even more sluggish than our perl-Gtk2 package manager in Mandriva :) | 18:36 |
| DawnFoster | zaheerm - anyone who downloaded the 1.0 release will need to add the repos to update | 18:36 |
| slaine | PackageKit is pretty poor at providing accurate visual feedback about what's going on, imo | 18:36 |
| slaine | But that's not a meego bug | 18:36 |
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| DawnFoster | having to add the repos is not an ideal process | 18:37 |
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| slaine | Dawn, no reason why the update manager, even with the bug that's there, could provide an update to the PackageManager and the meego-release rpm, which would then enable the new repo's also | 18:38 |
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| slaine | s/could/couldn't/ | 18:38 |
| infobot | slaine meant: Dawn, no reason why the update manager, even with the bug that's there, couldn't provide an update to the PackageManager and the meego-release rpm, which would then enable the new repo's also | 18:38 |
| DawnFoster | slaine - I don't think the update manager can find the package manager update unless you add the repos. | 18:39 |
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| DawnFoster | Right now, we're still testing the update process, so maybe Anas has something else in mind for people later | 18:40 |
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| slaine | DawnFoster: so MeeGo 1.0 release with no updates repo's active ? | 18:41 |
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| slaine | I'd imagine for final push of updates, he'll do something like what I've said above. | 18:41 |
| DawnFoster | slaine - you might be right | 18:41 |
| slaine | we're doing the same thing right now, just from a non-standard repo | 18:42 |
| DawnFoster | Also, I imagine that OEMs shipping MeeGo 1.0 to consumers will have the update repos added. | 18:42 |
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| * TSCHAKeee2 wonders who these oem's are gonna be | 18:42 | |
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| blino | DawnFoster: the window asking for "Additional confirmation" is too big, when upgrading the second package updates set, it does not fit my 1024x600 screen | 18:43 |
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| blino | and alt + left click does not seem to be handled by mutter | 18:43 |
| DawnFoster | when you say "too big" does this mean that you can't scroll to click on the confirmation button? | 18:44 |
| blino | yes | 18:44 |
| blino | I can take a screenshot | 18:44 |
| DawnFoster | TSCHAKeee2: http://meego.com/about/public-support-meego and http://www.linuxfoundation.org/node/6144 for some | 18:45 |
| DawnFoster | blino, thanks | 18:45 |
| DawnFoster | I thought we had that bug fixed. | 18:45 |
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| blino | DawnFoster: this way: http://people.mandriva.com/~blino/package-update-confirmation-too-big.png | 18:46 |
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| DawnFoster | blino: did the one package manager update install without any issues? This should have been the first update in the update system windown | 18:47 |
| blino | DawnFoster: yes, the first one went fine | 18:48 |
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| DawnFoster | blino: what are you running on? System, processor, graphics card? | 18:50 |
| slaine | DawnFoster: it's motoring along here | 18:51 |
| slaine | but it seems VERY slow | 18:51 |
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| blino | DawnFoster: MSI Wind U100, Atom N270 | 18:52 |
| slaine | looks like it's I/O bound | 18:52 |
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| slaine | 50% wa, 9% cpu | 18:53 |
| slaine | btrfs possibly | 18:53 |
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| * trip0 clones kernel source, sets CONFIG_DRM_NOUVEAU to "y", commits | 18:53 | |
| trip0 | done | 18:53 |
| microlith | does the nouveau driver work with ION? | 18:55 |
| DawnFoster | trip0: we know this isn't the fastest way to update, but we needed instructions for end users :) | 18:55 |
| trip0 | microlith, it does for me ;) | 18:55 |
| trip0 | DawnFoster, the end user shouldn't need to do anything other than boot the new kernel | 18:56 |
| trip0 | and hopefully this patch will make it into the meego kernel config by default | 18:56 |
| zaheerm | blino, my msi wind u130 was fine with both updates | 18:56 |
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| DawnFoster | blino, in the meantime, to get the package updates, you can just run 'zypper patch' at the command line to kick off the updates. Not sure why you're seeing that issue. | 18:58 |
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| anaZ | blino: did the update-viewer restart after first patch? | 19:01 |
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| blino | anaZ: not sure, I might have been a bit too eager to use it, it took too long time, so I think it was frozen, closed it and restarted it | 19:04 |
| slaine | DawnFoster: I got an error actually | 19:04 |
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| slaine | looks like a PackageKit error | 19:04 |
| anaZ | what error? | 19:04 |
| slaine | Title is "An internal system error has occured" | 19:05 |
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| anaZ | yeah, very helpful :) | 19:06 |
| slaine | "A problem that we were not expecting has occured. Please report this bug in your distribution bugtracker with the error description" | 19:06 |
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| slaine | and then a close button | 19:06 |
| anaZ | can you file a bug with more details? | 19:06 |
| slaine | Yeah, almost as good as the ERROR:Success dialogs :) | 19:06 |
| slaine | not on meego though | 19:06 |
| slaine | yes, anaZ is there a PackageKit log somewhere that'll give you more details though | 19:07 |
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| slaine | anaZ: there's a /var/log/pk_zypp_log file | 19:17 |
| CosmoHill | hey slaine | 19:17 |
| slaine | I'll try again and keep an eye on that | 19:17 |
| slaine | Hey CosmoHill | 19:17 |
| CosmoHill | I've been clearing a room in the afternoon | 19:18 |
| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/cosmo_cluster/nec-20.jpg :D | 19:18 |
| CosmoHill | I get to use all of those in my cluster | 19:19 |
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| CosmoHill | I also had a go at trying dept of feild | 19:21 |
| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/cosmo_cluster/nec-depth-of-feild.jpg | 19:21 |
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| CosmoHill | I've just had a weird thought, a few years ago I used to look up at people that do that things I do now | 19:26 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 19:26 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | CosmoHill: it's a very sobering thought, isn't it? | 19:29 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | CosmoHill: for years.. I felt terrible, that I wasn't a proper computer scientist | 19:29 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | that I wasn't writing papers | 19:29 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | that I wasn't tackling insanely obscure problems | 19:29 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | years spent with colleagues in the academic world shaped that outlook | 19:29 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | especially with those people who weren't my friends in academia basically looking at me like i was inferior. | 19:30 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | then one day, i realized, I wasn't a mathematician, or a physicist, | 19:30 |
| CosmoHill | i think my friend needs to work that out | 19:31 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | nor was i, as i have constantly been treated as in the corporate world, an engineer, or a strict "pretty picture maker" (which seems to be the definition of most people when they think of designers) | 19:31 |
| CosmoHill | whilst I might be getting higher grades then him we're doing totally different subjects | 19:31 |
| CosmoHill | an A in programming isn't going to cure someone's pet | 19:31 |
| CosmoHill | not until we get cyborgs anyway | 19:32 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | i'm a hacker, and as much as i tried, i never fit in academia...nor am i well fit for the corporate world | 19:32 |
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| CosmoHill | you sit away hacking at code until it works? | 19:32 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | so, i made peace with the fact that I do god awful boring day jobs, so I can do what I love at night. | 19:32 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | CosmoHill: yes. I grew up in a very different world than you did. my first computers either were the flippy switch blinky lights type, or the built in basic interpreter type | 19:33 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and i was introduced to smalltalk as a kid | 19:33 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and it drastically shaped my thought process | 19:34 |
| CosmoHill | all i know is that you're older than I am. I don't know how much by | 19:34 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | i honestly think it's absurd that a piece of software can be completely designed | 19:34 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | before one line of code is written | 19:34 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | which is why static typing languages like C++ and Java seriously piss me off. | 19:34 |
| CosmoHill | ah is see where you're going and i like it | 19:34 |
| CosmoHill | s/is see/I see/ | 19:35 |
| infobot | CosmoHill meant: ah I see where you're going and i like it | 19:35 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | but we keep writing systems problems in them, why? because they're so close to the hardware to begin with...and the engineer part of us likes that. | 19:35 |
| zaheerm | DawnFoster, should i now be seeing all packages listed twice (old version and new version) in manage apps? | 19:36 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | when you spend serious time in alternative systems designs, you start to realize just how short the straw of most programmers really is. | 19:36 |
| CosmoHill | when I make a website I basically open textmate and start coding with no design at all | 19:37 |
| CosmoHill | after a bit I have blocks of colour | 19:37 |
| CosmoHill | after more I have some kinda layout | 19:37 |
| CosmoHill | I design by coding | 19:37 |
| DawnFoster | zaheerm: Hmm, that doesn't sound right | 19:37 |
| zaheerm | DawnFoster, want a screenshot? | 19:38 |
| CosmoHill | I don't really plan stuff, often I'll just code stuff then start again and call it mk2 and mk2 will be the final | 19:38 |
| zaheerm | DawnFoster, or should i just file a bug? | 19:38 |
| CosmoHill | zaheerm: hmm | 19:38 |
| CosmoHill | sounds like you did rpm install instead of rpm update | 19:38 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | when i program, it's like sketching. i test out an idea in small bits, and keep fleshing out, with an overall idea of where i am going..constantly erasing and rewriting lines.... and yes.. I do HTML entirely in a text editor as well (the irony is, the first web browser I ever used, was WorldWideWeb.app, which had its own rich text editor in it.) :P | 19:38 |
| CosmoHill | install installs the package regardless of if it's already there | 19:39 |
| zaheerm | CosmoHill, no i used the wiki instructions from http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_Updates | 19:39 |
| DawnFoster | zaheerm: did you do everything via the gui update tool? | 19:39 |
| zaheerm | DawnFoster, yes | 19:39 |
| DawnFoster | Slaine / others: are you seeing duplicates? | 19:39 |
| zaheerm | DawnFoster, except adding the repos with zypper ar as per the setup on that wiki page | 19:40 |
| slaine | Didn't spot any | 19:40 |
| slaine | but it took a second run to get all those updates applied | 19:40 |
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| DawnFoster | zaheerm: screenshot would be good | 19:40 |
| zaheerm | DawnFoster, ok let me boot the netbook up again and i'll get a screenshot | 19:40 |
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| CosmoHill | oops | 19:40 |
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| CosmoHill | TSCHAKeee2: how old are you? | 19:42 |
| CosmoHill | (if you don't mind me asking) | 19:42 |
| jamalta | hi all, i had a quick question.. are there nightly / beta builds available anywhere? | 19:43 |
| jamalta | i have a bug with 1.0, and i want to make sure it hasn't been fixed already before i report it | 19:43 |
| CosmoHill | erm | 19:43 |
| CosmoHill | check bugzilla to see if it's been reported | 19:43 |
| jamalta | CosmoHill: I tried that and couldn't find it, I will try again though. | 19:44 |
| jamalta | I guess that means there isn't though? | 19:44 |
| CosmoHill | probably means it's hasn't been reported, yes | 19:44 |
| zaheerm | DawnFoster, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/219349/meego_dup_packages.png | 19:45 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm i see, could it be a repo problem? | 19:46 |
| DawnFoster | jamalta: I think we have daily builds in the repo: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.0.80/ | 19:46 |
| DawnFoster | zaheerm: I wonder if that's a bug or by design (since we're still testing the updates, having both versions there would allow you to roll back to a previous version). Not sure. | 19:49 |
| jamalta | DawnFoster: Oh cool, thank you! | 19:50 |
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| zaheerm | DawnFoster, ok...will you check or should i report a bug so it is tracked? | 19:51 |
| DawnFoster | jamalta: The release eng page on the wiki http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering has more info about how we do releases, naming conventions, etc. | 19:52 |
| jamalta | DawnFoster: Ah, thank you :) | 19:52 |
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| slaine | anaZ: max crash sizes probably needs to be increased | 20:23 |
| slaine | I've had some browser issues since upgrading but can't get a good crash report by default | 20:23 |
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| Savago | This is looking good: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/Akademy2010 | 21:54 |
| Savago | oops, sorry! | 21:54 |
| Savago | I meant this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqeeQd-YNL0&feature=player_embedded | 21:54 |
| Savago | Anyone could comment if this is written using | 21:54 |
| Savago | clutter | 21:54 |
| Savago | or qt? | 21:54 |
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| Bostik | looks like qt to me | 21:59 |
| inz | Three lines of QML ;) | 22:01 |
| Myrtti | perkele. | 22:02 |
| Myrtti | ohai ^___^ | 22:02 |
| aalpert-snow | inz: Is Meego really using QML to do that? | 22:03 |
| inz | aalpert, nah, just a joke; bit of an insider actually | 22:03 |
| inz | aalpert, it may partly be QML, but if so, definitely more than three lines =) | 22:04 |
| aalpert-snow | inz: Is it secret whether and/or how much is QML? | 22:06 |
| inz | aalpert, I have no idea whatsoever. | 22:07 |
| aalpert-snow | I hope someone in this channel knows, because now I'm curious | 22:07 |
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| koupsaa | i see new image at http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.0.80/1.0.80.7.20100618.1/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32/ is there any Updates files or ChangeLog | 22:43 |
| koupsaa | ? | 22:43 |
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| lbt | BOO | 22:52 |
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| CosmoHill | ahhh | 23:06 |
| CosmoHill | fecking subwoofer going nuts | 23:06 |
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| felipec | what would be the appropriate category for a GStreamer plugin? System/Libraries? | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | # Group: Applications/Multimedia for gst-plugins-farsight at least | 23:08 |
| felipec | Stskeeps: yeah, but it's not an application... it's something for applications to work properly | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | felipec: gst-plugins-bad are in same category :/ | 23:10 |
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| felipec | Stskeeps: how about GStreamer core? where are the packages BTW? | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | felipec: got OBS access? if so, look in Trunk | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | otherwise manually download the srpms off repo.meego.com :P | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | felipec: looking at gstreamer core | 23:19 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 23:19 |
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| Stskeeps | felipec: Applications/Multimedia | 23:24 |
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| felipec | Stskeeps: yeap, I got access... but I'm not sure if somebody really paid attention to those rpms (built with spectacle? whatever that is) | 23:27 |
| felipec | anyway, I'll follow that | 23:27 |
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| Stskeeps | felipec: spectacle is a blessing when it comes to making spec files :P it takes the yaml files and turns them into specs | 23:30 |
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| felipec | Stskeeps: ah, well, no time to learn another tool right now =/ | 23:31 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: good initiative with meego-announce / security. Could have been interesting to see how many people would have gone on -announce initially instead of -dev for instance | 23:33 |
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| felipec | hmm, how to specify unreleased versions? 0.7.1-48-g7c8cc20 is not accepted | 23:34 |
| felipec | 0.7.1.git ? | 23:35 |
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| felipec | hmm, W: unstripped-binary-or-object /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdsp.so | 23:50 |
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| felipec | how to make dbg packages automatically? | 23:50 |
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