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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:05 |
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| Martiini | I hope meego will become competitor to iPhone & Android | 01:13 |
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| CosmoHill | we allow users to tinker with the code and use the bluetooth for bluetooth thingies | 01:16 |
| CosmoHill | we're already better than the iPhone | 01:16 |
| tripzero | one word: multi-tasking | 01:17 |
| tripzero | real, multi-tasking | 01:17 |
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| CosmoHill | you mean like my phone does? | 01:17 |
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| Martiini | CosmoHill, do You work for meego ? | 01:25 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 01:25 |
| CosmoHill | As a student I avoid work | 01:26 |
| Martiini | what do you mean "we are better than ... " | 01:26 |
| Martiini | Android is the leading phone os currently | 01:26 |
| CosmoHill | figure of speach | 01:27 |
| Martiini | and .. Apple is still one of the leading software companies | 01:27 |
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| CosmoHill | hurrar | 01:30 |
| auke | I have reqs. apply! | 01:30 |
| auke | must live in oregon though :) | 01:30 |
| jausmus | it's a good place to live. ;) | 01:30 |
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| CosmoHill | Oregon? doesn't sound in england | 01:31 |
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| DawnFoster | Oregon is just like england … only different :) | 01:31 |
| jausmus | Pacific NW - US | 01:32 |
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| auke | oregon, the netherlands, same precipitation, same average temperatures.... | 01:35 |
| auke | but soooo much nicer here :) | 01:36 |
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| CosmoHill | well driving lisence and visa won't be an issue | 01:38 |
| auke | actually, when I moved from the netherlands, I had to take my driving exam here again (lmao) | 01:39 |
| CosmoHill | where are you no? | 01:39 |
| CosmoHill | now* | 01:39 |
| auke | OR | 01:40 |
| auke | in the office | 01:40 |
| CosmoHill | ah okay i got confused | 01:40 |
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| auke | it was a funny ordeal too. I had to take my theory test first, which was hilareous of course, nothing like the dutch theory exam which was written by the most vile and sadistic instructor ever. | 01:41 |
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| auke | also, when I took my driving exam, the person taking the driving exam was unaware that I had 10+years of driving experience in europe. | 01:42 |
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| Martiini | where did you move from ... to Oregon | 01:44 |
| Martiini | auke, Are You from Amsterdam | 01:44 |
| Martiini | USA driving test is easy compared to european ones .. I have heard the same thing | 01:46 |
| auke | I've lived in several places in the the Netherlands: where I grew up near Alkmaar. When I studied I lived in Amsterdam. I worked and lived near Rotterdam before I moved to Oregon 5 years ago | 01:46 |
| CosmoHill | I have a UK driving lisence so I should be okay to drive in the netherlands | 01:47 |
| Martiini | we visited Amsterdam ... about 4 years ago .. for 2 weeks .. | 01:47 |
| auke | dutch driving exam requirements are the worst ever. | 01:47 |
| CosmoHill | my car on the other hand >.> | 01:47 |
| auke | 70 theoretical questions and you're only allowed 3 mistakes I think | 01:48 |
| CosmoHill | ouch | 01:48 |
| CosmoHill | between my theory and pratical test the theoy changed | 01:48 |
| CosmoHill | so my friend took his test a year or so after me and it was different | 01:49 |
| CosmoHill | iirc I got 33 out of 35 | 01:49 |
| auke | I aced mine originally, but I still think they're way too hard. perhaps they changed since 1991... :) | 01:49 |
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| CosmoHill | I took my pratical a week before xmas 2007 :) | 01:51 |
| Martiini | auke, do you like USA ... I mean ... Holland is statistically a better place to live .. Netherlands has higher quality of living | 01:52 |
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| Martiini | besides .. there is several places named "Oregon" in USA .. | 01:59 |
| tripzero | my dog is named Oregon | 02:00 |
| tripzero | and my daughter | 02:00 |
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| jausmus | tripzero: that must get confusing... ;) | 02:01 |
| tripzero | only for my daughter | 02:01 |
| tripzero | :P | 02:01 |
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| jausmus | heh | 02:02 |
| CosmoHill | who came first? | 02:02 |
| jausmus | Martiini: as far as I'm aware, there's only one "Oregon" in the USA, and it's the state - do you know of more? | 02:02 |
| tripzero | we aren't sure | 02:02 |
| tripzero | jausmus, well, there is a trail | 02:03 |
| jausmus | true | 02:03 |
| tripzero | which is a place that extends outside of the state | 02:03 |
| jausmus | and a city | 02:03 |
| jausmus | which doesn't extend out of the state | 02:04 |
| jausmus | ;) | 02:04 |
| jausmus | however, to be pedantic, their names aren't "Oregon", they are "The Oregon Trail", and "Oregon City", respectively | 02:04 |
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| tripzero | haha | 02:04 |
| tripzero | true | 02:04 |
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| auke | Martiini: I love several things about Oregon. For instance, the fact that my wife and 2 kids live here too. :) | 02:09 |
| Martiini | oregon, IL, oregon in, oregon, wi .. what google gives | 02:10 |
| Martiini | + there is like .. 5-6 places named "London" in USA, CAnada | 02:11 |
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| auke | Martiini: when people say "Paris", do you not assume "France"? | 02:12 |
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| SamuraiMark | Hi all. Is mounting (manual or auto) of SD memory cards a know issue in Meego? I haven't found anything in bugzilla or the forums. Meego 1.0 running on an Acer Aspire model ZG5. | 02:13 |
| SamuraiMark | I've tried the SD card in both SD card slots with no luck. There doesn't appear to be anything happening when I add/remove the card. Works fine in other systems. | 02:14 |
| dcordes | can I run meego on my iPhone now that it has working linux kernel ? | 02:15 |
| dcordes | SamuraiMark: are you using known working kernel? | 02:16 |
| SamuraiMark | Belay that ... just found bug 2931. | 02:16 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 smacks forehead | 02:16 | |
| SamuraiMark | " Bug 2931 - Right Hand Side Card Reader of Acer Aspire One A150 and A110 ( ZG5 ) only works when card is inserted before boot " | 02:16 |
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| dcordes | SamuraiMark: so you are using some 'official' builds ? | 02:18 |
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| SamuraiMark | dcordes: yes, V1.0. | 02:18 |
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| SamuraiMark | Well there you are. Just like the bug says. Reboot with the card in the right hand card slot and now I can see the card. | 02:19 |
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| dcordes | how is non-root X a feature ? | 02:21 |
| CosmoHill | it's more security than a feature | 02:22 |
| CosmoHill | hey Tscheesy | 02:22 |
| Martiini | apparently you get an error message and will be able to get X back again | 02:22 |
| CosmoHill | erm | 02:22 |
| CosmoHill | TSCHAKeee2: * | 02:23 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :P | 02:23 |
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| Martiini | dcordes: , as I understand non-root X will become a standard | 02:24 |
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| Tina- | what phones are supported? | 09:20 |
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| tmzt | only phone I know of is n900 | 09:26 |
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| Herwood | hi, has anyone tried running the widgets gallery app of harmattan ui fw in x86? | 10:10 |
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| koupsaa | hello | 12:13 |
| koupsaa | is there any shortcut to access at zones-panel ? | 12:13 |
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| koupsaa | alt+tab doesn't work for me | 12:14 |
| megabast | someone knows where I can get meego network panel sources? I don't find them on meego gitorious | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | check repo.meego.com | 12:15 |
| megabast | yes it's ok, I have them :) | 12:15 |
| megabast | thanks | 12:15 |
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| FunkyPenguin | how different is abrt-netbook to upstream abrt? | 12:44 |
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| yoplait | \nick | 14:12 |
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| tekojo | nice there is a whole area for the community apps in the MeeGo Conference 2010 CFP | 14:43 |
| tekojo | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/DraftCFP | 14:47 |
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| dcordes | tekojo: that's good to see community has a voice. | 15:02 |
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| vilvo | http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/www.meego.com | 16:05 |
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| sx0n | http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/www.nokia.com | 16:17 |
| sx0n | funny face expressions | 16:17 |
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| w00t_ | thiago: useful topic imo.. especially given how crucial good support of Qt is going to be | 17:44 |
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| slaine | I assume thise Qt patches are in the .src.rpm ? | 17:51 |
| thiago | yes | 17:51 |
| thiago | I know that they exist | 17:51 |
| slaine | perhaps arjan or anaz could shed some light | 17:51 |
| thiago | I know that some of them also come from the kde-qt patch list (which includes rejected patches) | 17:51 |
| thiago | but I haven't looked into them and won't | 17:51 |
| slaine | I got that, I'm assuming you don't formally acknowledge them as they've not been pushed upstream | 17:51 |
| thiago | if they are relevant, I expect someone to submit to us | 17:52 |
| slaine | and rightly so | 17:52 |
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| * w00t_ nods | 17:55 | |
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| CosmoHill | Morning | 18:03 |
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| th0br0 | evening CosmoHill | 18:07 |
| CosmoHill | hey th0br0 | 18:08 |
| th0br0 | how're things? | 18:08 |
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| CosmoHill | things are well | 18:11 |
| CosmoHill | Just need to get one result back to find out how I did for the year | 18:11 |
| CosmoHill | I think I might be able to get an A / 1st for the year | 18:12 |
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| th0br0 | sounds nice CosmoHill :) | 18:15 |
| th0br0 | so what did you get on that game app you had to do? | 18:15 |
| lbt | th0br0: did you see the email... | 18:16 |
| th0br0 | uh lbt | 18:16 |
| th0br0 | from which adress? | 18:16 |
| th0br0 | (and no i didn't :( when did you send it to me?) | 18:16 |
| lbt | to meego-dev | 18:16 |
| lbt | and community | 18:16 |
| lbt | and the forum | 18:16 |
| th0br0 | lemme take a look | 18:16 |
| lbt | and maemo | 18:16 |
| lbt | and a blog | 18:17 |
| th0br0 | :D | 18:17 |
| * lbt has a sawn-off keyboard | 18:17 | |
| * CosmoHill hopes lbt isn't talking about his grade | 18:17 | |
| lbt | grade? | 18:18 |
| th0br0 | tited? | 18:18 |
| CosmoHill | th0br0: 68% for the assignment, 64% for the exam so 66% overall | 18:19 |
| lbt | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-June/001041.html | 18:19 |
| th0br0 | got it lbt | 18:19 |
| lbt | CosmoHill: is that good? | 18:19 |
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| CosmoHill | it's a mid B | 18:22 |
| th0br0 | sounds good lbt | 18:23 |
| th0br0 | i'm looking forward to hearing results of that letter | 18:23 |
| th0br0 | or have there been some already? | 18:23 |
| lbt | yeah.... | 18:23 |
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| th0br0 | (mind that i'll be going in 5 minutes as i've got some driving lesson coming up, I'll be back in an hour though) | 18:24 |
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| th0br0 | huh? | 18:25 |
| th0br0 | k g2g | 18:25 |
| lbt | l8r | 18:25 |
| CosmoHill | cyas th0br0 | 18:25 |
| th0br0 | bye | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | lbt: ? 'keyboard error or no keyboard present. Press F6 to continue" ? | 18:28 |
| lbt | DocScrutinizer2: I meant the response to the Maemo on MeeGo request. | 18:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | hmm :-/ | 18:29 |
| CosmoHill | DocScrutinizer2: it's F11 on my computer | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | ohh :-D | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | some decades since I seen it | 18:30 |
| CosmoHill | "Keyboard not found. Press F11 to continue" | 18:30 |
| CosmoHill | it normally happens when my monitor isn't turned on in time | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | now that makes sende :-P | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | sense even | 18:31 |
| CosmoHill | the monitor has a USB which the keyboard is plugged into | 18:31 |
| pupnik | get a ps2 keyboard? :) | 18:31 |
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| Myrtti | *yawn* | 19:12 |
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| pupnik | hi Myrtti. hows tricks | 19:13 |
| Myrtti | third day trying to get Lucid working, outlook isn't too good and I'm getting tired of this | 19:14 |
| Myrtti | otherwise ok. Hervanta looks nice, but I've been kept busy after returning to Finland with work so no time to play | 19:15 |
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| CosmoHill | Lucid? | 19:18 |
| Myrtti | my crack cocaine of choice, Ubuntu | 19:19 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm vacuuming my room | 19:20 |
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| CosmoHill | the dyson makes a good stalker | 19:20 |
| CosmoHill | I go and vacuum with the hose and the thing followed me about | 19:21 |
| pupnik | i don't know much about ubuntu, but i end up helping a lot of people with debian, Myrtti - what's the trouble? | 19:25 |
| Myrtti | one of three kernels boots, rest fail with kernel panic about not be able to mount root partition, the one that boots has no swap and no TTY's that would work. | 19:27 |
| Myrtti | but yeah, this is offtopic and I need to reboot. Again. | 19:27 |
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| pupnik | impressive | 19:29 |
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| GAN900 | CosmoHill, new to canister vacs? | 19:32 |
| th0br0 | back; lbt | 19:32 |
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| pupnik | [comment on intel-meego] | 19:34 |
| pupnik | "They optimised it for LPIA as far as I can see, which pretty much turns me off MeeGo. I really not like seeing Intel work anything with Linux beyond drivers for their hardware. They would really like to bring it back to 1991 when kernel used every (miss)feature of x86 CPUs. But we do not have Digital now to port it to Alpha and abstract intelism." | 19:35 |
| lbt | intel-meego? | 19:35 |
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| Stskeeps | also, ssse3 is hardly lpia.. | 19:37 |
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| arjan | ssse3 is core2 and later | 19:38 |
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| arjan | which is like from 2006 | 19:38 |
| arjan | and even fedora put a line in the sand of what cpus they support | 19:38 |
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| th0br0 | so yeah lbt. | 19:39 |
| th0br0 | what is the current plan with that proposal? | 19:39 |
| lbt | I built it | 19:39 |
| th0br0 | i know that :P | 19:39 |
| lbt | we need "the meego community" to say yes | 19:39 |
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| th0br0 | ok. | 19:39 |
| * lbt is reminded of a kernel error message "irq 10: nobody cared!" | 19:39 | |
| lbt | as I said before ;) | 19:39 |
| pupnik | for people stuck on arm, they can use a different kernel if they want | 19:39 |
| lbt | th0br0: although if no-one complains we'll do it anyway | 19:40 |
| th0br0 | :D | 19:40 |
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| th0br0 | yeah i remember that nobody cared | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | i would compare the atom situation like baselining on armv5 or even v7.. | 19:40 |
| th0br0 | i just didn't really get it ;) | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | which is sane practice | 19:40 |
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| lbt | but it's a sad commentary on the state of the meego community and the "welcome" they're supposed to be showing to Maemo | 19:40 |
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| lbt | Not surprising that talk.maemo.org generally doesn't like MeeGo.... | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: guess a proposal on community meeting could work | 19:41 |
| th0br0 | lbt: i think that is partly due to the small number of the meego communit | 19:41 |
| th0br0 | y | 19:41 |
| th0br0 | s/number/size/ | 19:41 |
| lbt | maybe... but it was almost completely ignored | 19:41 |
| Myrtti | *snerk* | 19:42 |
| th0br0 | many that are contributing on the ml are intel/nokia employees, after all... and maybe they don't think that they have to comment it any further | 19:42 |
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| lbt | it's like "lets build a system but who cares if we have any users" ... sounds like moblin ;) | 19:42 |
| th0br0 | true. | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: unix philosophy maybe, no comment = go ahead! | 19:43 |
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| lbt | well, yes, we will | 19:43 |
| th0br0 | but then again, the lack of public devices with meego leads to a lack of community, but we all know that anyway. | 19:43 |
| lbt | but the social side means that we can't exactly go to the maemo community and say "look at the welcome you are getting" | 19:43 |
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| lbt | Although since MeeGo is designed for the elite only... | 19:44 |
| th0br0 | true | 19:44 |
| th0br0 | :D | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | then again maemo community is currently spending a lot of time looking at its own navel | 19:44 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yeah... this would let us show some concrete direction for maemo.org builder | 19:45 |
| th0br0 | i don't think that there is much difference between the two communities tbh. | 19:45 |
| lbt | th0br0: there isn' | 19:45 |
| lbt | t | 19:45 |
| th0br0 | it's just that the maemo is bigger but in the end it's missing the very same momentum | 19:45 |
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| lbt | meh... | 19:45 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, it's so full of lint and we can't figure out what to do about it! | 19:46 |
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| * lbt has been having a crappy afternoon cursing Ruby's lack of distro integration :) | 19:46 | |
| Myrtti | I still vote for cheesecake | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: lint with trolls living in it | 19:46 |
| lbt | that'd be nice | 19:46 |
| th0br0 | lint is a bad choice of words, GAN900 :P rpmlint ftw :D | 19:46 |
| th0br0 | lbt: how so? | 19:46 |
| th0br0 | Myrtti: I'd prefer the Portal cake. | 19:46 |
| CosmoHill | damn apple and their non-standard / functional PSUs | 19:47 |
| lbt | th0br0: I'm new to ruby and it's the "gem install" vs "apt-get install" | 19:47 |
| th0br0 | lbt: that's due to the packagers though :P | 19:47 |
| Myrtti | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGHH NOW I LOST THE PAGE | 19:47 |
| lbt | nah, it's Ruby that makes it hard | 19:47 |
| th0br0 | here in fedora we got quite some gems that are packaged... | 19:47 |
| lbt | oh yes | 19:47 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, chicken and egg, though. | 19:47 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, we tried reaching out early on, it got nowhere. | 19:48 |
| lbt | but the ruby community have many more | 19:48 |
| th0br0 | besides, I like the gem system. | 19:48 |
| lbt | it's solved for perl | 19:48 |
| lbt | I don't dislike it | 19:48 |
| th0br0 | You can easily have multiple ruby versions installed simultaneously | 19:48 |
| lbt | I don't like the lack of integration to dpkg/rpm | 19:48 |
| th0br0 | :) | 19:48 |
| Myrtti | lbt: oh crikey, now I can't get the image of us talking to Churchill the bulldog off my brain | 19:48 |
| Myrtti | "oh yes" | 19:48 |
| lbt | oh yes oh yes oh yes | 19:49 |
| th0br0 | Churchill the bulldog? | 19:49 |
| lbt | *nod* | 19:49 |
| th0br0 | ah isn't that from some disney movie or so? | 19:50 |
| lbt | TV ad | 19:50 |
| th0br0 | ah, i don't watch tv, but i don't think we have that one here. | 19:51 |
| Myrtti | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-bOjU4w9q4 | 19:51 |
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| th0br0 | well yeah, we definitely didn't hve that one here. but i think i saw it some time ago when i spent a couple of weeks in britain | 19:52 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: i'm pondering if it would be useful to have a metric of people making the jump from for example maemo.org to meego sites/forums | 23:34 |
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| Stskeeps | because at a random glance, i do seem to see more and more people from maemo.org showing up in meego.com | 23:34 |
| DawnFoster | how would we measure that? | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | well, one way is through talk.maemo.org vs forum.meego.com membership/commonalities maybe | 23:35 |
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| w00t_ | difficult to measure.. | 23:35 |
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| Stskeeps | true | 23:35 |
| DawnFoster | yeah, different usernames, email addresses, etc | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough :) | 23:36 |
| DawnFoster | it would be interesting to know, I just don't know how reliable it would be | 23:36 |
| DawnFoster | especially good for Nokia to understand how effectively they are making the transition | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | a common complaint is that people claim they're not welcomed in meego, .. even though i think part of it is that they're making up reasons that may not exist in practice | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | so it would be one way to measure if it holds true for the silent members too | 23:37 |
| GAN900 | Hehe | 23:37 |
| DawnFoster | yeah, I'm trying to decide if it's a vocal minority who aren't making the transition easily or a bigger issue | 23:37 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, it's more subtle than simple unwelcomeness. | 23:37 |
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| GAN900 | It's certainly a sentiment shared by a large number of core Maemo people. | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's a bit of both personally, ie, we're seeing a horde of new potential contributors who doesn't know three simple things: how to contribute, where to contribute and how to contact if they have issues | 23:38 |
| GAN900 | It's clearly a problem that needs addressing. :) | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | er, how to contact=who to contact | 23:38 |
| DawnFoster | I've been working on this: http://wiki.meego.com/Contributing_to_MeeGo | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i just read your post on fmc too | 23:39 |
| DawnFoster | would love help making it better | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | an initial look is 'too verbose' and needs artwork to explain things in simple terms | 23:40 |
| DawnFoster | the reality is that the meego project is very different from Moblin & Maemo, and it isn't an easy transition | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 23:40 |
| DawnFoster | agreed | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | in fact, we're moving from a developer/power user community to well, a product building community.. | 23:40 |
| DawnFoster | and it needs links to things like how to submit a bug | 23:40 |
| DawnFoster | we have a bunch of other useful into that we should be linking to | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 23:41 |
| DawnFoster | and it needs to be simplified to make it easy to read | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | i've probably been reading too many meego slides lately as i'm envisioning some meego characters in various activities as artwork :) | 23:41 |
| DawnFoster | right now it's a data dump from my brain onto paper - doesn't always translate well :) | 23:41 |
| DawnFoster | that would be awesome | 23:41 |
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| DawnFoster | *wonders if we can work the crash character in somewhere* | 23:42 |
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| DawnFoster | http://crashdb.meego.com/ | 23:42 |
| DawnFoster | he's my personal favorite | 23:42 |
| GAN900 | I think losing the contributor angle is unfortunate | 23:43 |
| GAN900 | Part if the vibrancy of maemo.org is its diversity. | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but we couldn't manage a product if our lives depended on it.. | 23:44 |
| DawnFoster | what do you mean by "losing the contributor angle" | 23:45 |
| * satmd points at :38 | 23:45 | |
| satmd | those 'contributors' are contributing ideas | 23:45 |
| Stskeeps | that'll hopefully get sorted once the public roadmapping goes live | 23:45 |
| Stskeeps | at least in terms of the projects | 23:45 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: i think what i'm really missing is a big 'Contribute' button on meego.com | 23:46 |
| GAN900 | DawnFoster, people who aren't platform devs. | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | ie, a landing page for people wanting to get involved, either through their companies, as private persons, etc | 23:46 |
| lcuk | can i actually buy a meego device? or do i still have to remove orginal OS? | 23:46 |
| GAN900 | Pretty much everybody in the Maemo Community right now really doesn't fit in MeeGo | 23:47 |
| GAN900 | and that's a problem | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | well, developer community does to some extent | 23:47 |
| DawnFoster | but I think much of that is perception more than reality | 23:47 |
| thiago_home | lcuk: there isn't any released | 23:47 |
| DawnFoster | or timing | 23:47 |
| thiago_home | lcuk: but eventually | 23:47 |
| trixtur | lcuk: Its not that hard to install, and it is pretty quick | 23:47 |
| lcuk | is there a cottage industry for people to get netbooks and install meego on it | 23:48 |
| GAN900 | Perception is important | 23:48 |
| GAN900 | If it's incorrect, obviously there's a problem. | 23:48 |
| DawnFoster | with meego essentially restarting, it will take a little time to get to where Moblin & Maemo were before | 23:48 |
| trixtur | lcuk: just realize that making the wifi work will probably take a little extra effort | 23:48 |
| DawnFoster | agreed | 23:48 |
| thiago_home | lcuk: I'm still waiting for the netbook I ordered to arrive | 23:48 |
| lcuk | trixtur, there is a great amount of uncertainty about which machines are compatible and one persons simple is anothers fhard | 23:48 |
| GAN900 | Always time | 23:48 |
| DawnFoster | I'm just trying to figure out the root cause of the problem | 23:48 |
| * GAN900 has been hearing that line for far too long now. | 23:48 | |
| DawnFoster | we're addressing symptoms now, and I think we're missing the root cause | 23:48 |
| lcuk | trixtur, words like that mean it will ALWAYS be easier to stick with the OS preinstalled | 23:49 |
| trixtur | lcuk: true, I installed it on my Dell Inspiron 1012 | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | well, one part is that maemo.org wasn't exactly in good shape when meego got announced | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | no active big projects, etc | 23:49 |
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| Stskeeps | it was mostly a developer community and shell-shocked by the recent inflow of 'normal users' | 23:49 |
| DawnFoster | I know this has been a frustrating process. The reality is that it does take time to pull everything back together | 23:49 |
| tmzt | DawnFoster: perceived lack of n800 support seems to be a sticking point, as far as 2d vs. 3d | 23:49 |
| CosmoHill | hey people | 23:49 |
| DawnFoster | I know that people are tired of hearing that | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | tmzt: err.. | 23:50 |
| * thiago_home never used his N800 for anything useful | 23:50 | |
| thiago_home | it's a decoration piece on my desk | 23:50 |
| tmzt | Stskeeps: I'm basing that off of posts on the maemo forums | 23:50 |
| tmzt | though they worry about n900 too for some reason | 23:50 |
| GAN900 | tmzt, lack of N900 support is much bigger | 23:50 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, who says nothing was happening in maemo? | 23:50 |
| GAN900 | the N8x0 userbase was already beaten down by Nokia | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: my own personal perception - there was some activities going on but not too organised | 23:51 |
| GAN900 | So MeeGo didn't add anything different to be upset over. | 23:51 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: a council (at that point) that wasn't really doing anything to facilitate, excepting Texrat for instance | 23:51 |
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| axel | hi | 23:52 |
| * GAN900 used his N800 daily from day 1 until the N900 showed up last September. | 23:52 | |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, now we've got a council who're mostly ignored in the MeeGo sphere. | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: i haven't seen any direct proposals from the council as a whole | 23:53 |
| thiago_home | I also saw people using their N810s extensively | 23:53 |
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| thiago_home | even as an ebook-reader | 23:53 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, as a whole, perhaps not | 23:54 |
| GAN900 | But I think that stems from being ignored as individuals initially. | 23:54 |
| DawnFoster | This is where MeeGo is a little different | 23:54 |
| GAN900 | Texrat is the only one of us with energy left for it. | 23:54 |
| DawnFoster | we don't see the "community" as something separate that needs a council | 23:54 |
| DawnFoster | we want to get people involved directly in the project | 23:55 |
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| Stskeeps | and pioneers to help get activities started for people to be involved within | 23:55 |
| DawnFoster | the way we have localization as part of the core meego project structure and translations being done solely by people from the community | 23:55 |
| DawnFoster | it's a more integrated approach | 23:55 |
| GAN900 | Yeah. . . . | 23:56 |
| DawnFoster | I see too much of an "us" vs. "them" mentality right now | 23:56 |
| GAN900 | Well, it's a hard thing to get over given Nokia's legacy | 23:56 |
| DawnFoster | however, it is more work to get people involved | 23:56 |
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| GAN900 | and MeeGo isn't doing a wonderful job of proving it's otherwise | 23:56 |
| Stskeeps | well, that one bends down to the fact there's people who have access to the current under wraps information and people who don't.. | 23:56 |
| DawnFoster | and harder for people coming over from Maemo to see the difference | 23:56 |
| Stskeeps | but that should change soon, hopefully.. | 23:56 |
| axel_ | i am a newbe and have trouble with http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_the_Beagle | 23:56 |
| GAN900 | DawnFoster, what do you think the council's role is in maemo.org? | 23:57 |
| GAN900 | Personally, I see a use for a body that repressents unaffiliated people | 23:57 |
| lcuk | does anyone use meego? | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: .. at the same time, could you iterate what you think that role is? | 23:57 |
| DawnFoster | exactly | 23:57 |
| trixtur | lcuk: me | 23:57 |
| DawnFoster | but we want unaffiliated people working directly in the project | 23:57 |
| lcuk | trixtur, :D how long have you had it on for | 23:57 |
| DawnFoster | not as some separate entity outside of the project | 23:57 |
| lcuk | and if i was a random joe, how would you describe it | 23:58 |
| trixtur | lcuk: since 1.0 release 1st day | 23:58 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, facilitation, leadership for the community and distilling community opinion for Nokia | 23:58 |
| GAN900 | as well as helping to communicate Nokia's positions to the community. | 23:58 |
| DawnFoster | I see the community as including Intel and Nokia, not something separate | 23:58 |
| trixtur | lcuk: its really fast, and in my mind it fulfilled my urgency for Google to release Chrome OS. I won't change if google does release now. I like MeeGo | 23:59 |
| DawnFoster | with all of us working together toward a common goal | 23:59 |
| GAN900 | (forgive brevity and lack of clarity, I'm at work) | 23:59 |
| GAN900 | DawnFoster, so do we at maemo.org | 23:59 |
| Stskeeps | maybe the curse is actually that we have a community office - giving the perception the 'outsiders' has to have a place for their various projects.. | 23:59 |
| lcuk | trixtur, do you carry your netbook around with you? | 23:59 |
| lcuk | of is it just for at home? | 23:59 |
| trixtur | lcuk: generally with me | 23:59 |
| Stskeeps | instead of that there's a method for those kind of projects growing under various WG's | 23:59 |
| Stskeeps | or areas etc | 23:59 |
| lcuk | oh cool, do you find all the apps you need, or have there been things missing? | 23:59 |
| DawnFoster | yeah, I think people misunderstand the community office | 23:59 |
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