IRC log of #meego for Tuesday, 2010-06-15

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tremnite all, sweet dreams01:01
CosmoHillcyas trem01:02
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lbtDawnFoster: pingy... do you have an email for Mike Schaffer(?) - the infrastructure Mike ?01:50
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DawnFosterlbt: you still there? I assume you mean Mike Shaver?02:07
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CosmoHillcyas02:28
CosmoHillDawnFoster: btw where's arjan gone?02:29
DawnFosterCosmoHill - he's around. I heard him talking over the cubicle walls today :)02:29
DawnFosterI know some people were pulled into an all day meeting today - he might have been one of them02:30
CosmoHillcould you ask him if the Matrox GS200 is supported by meego cos I saw a driver for it in the repo02:30
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CosmoHillsome day i'll have a computer with a compatable processor AND graphics card. but until then I'll just keep hacking away02:31
CosmoHillnight night02:31
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DawnFosternight!02:31
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brokendatapointhi y'all, just trawling the Meego site, anyone heard of any Connected TV project that uses or plans to use Meego?06:43
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brokendatapointis Mike Shaver the Webmaster for the Meego web portal?06:57
DawnFosterMike is currently the webmaster07:00
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brokendatapointah hi Dawn, thanks for the reply, have some IE8 feedback for him07:01
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DawnFosteroh good, thanks07:01
brokendatapointi emailed you yesterday but nice to see you on irc07:01
DawnFosterah, I'm way behind on email.07:02
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brokendatapointhaha, d'accord! i dislike it personally, SMS/Chat are the go07:03
DawnFosteroops07:03
DawnFosterI was focused on May community metrics all day - it only took me until the 14th of June to finish them :)07:03
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DawnFosterI had to shut off email / IRC all day to finish07:04
brokendatapointhaha, guess given your current Meego taskings and your other Intel stuff ... you must be busy!07:04
DawnFosteryeah - I've been swamped with forum posts after the netbook release on the 26th - lots of new users trying it07:05
DawnFosterok, just read your email. If you're available tomorrow (15th) - maybe your today? at 14:00 UTC for the community office meeting?07:07
DawnFosterhttp://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings07:07
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brokendatapointhmm am checking UTC time now, btw what email address for Mike Shaver, cannot email him from his user profile nor can I see a webmaster link anywhere07:08
brokendatapointthanks for link, will check now07:08
DawnFosterwe could also use help answering forum questions: I've been trying to gather unanswered questions here: http://wiki.meego.com/Netbook_Forum_Triage07:08
DawnFosteractually, can you post your feedback in the forum for IE8?07:08
DawnFosterhttp://forum.meego.com/forumdisplay.php?f=507:09
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DawnFosterthat way others can chime in with similar issues07:09
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DawnFosterbrokendatapoint: ok, gotta run, but we can chat more tomorrow (my time) :)07:11
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guest12345DawnFoster: hi, is brokendatapoint, that forum triage sounds good, will post the IE8 feedback in the forum ... irssi crashed took out SSH session07:13
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guest12345DawnFoster: ah just checked, your Tuesday June 15th 1400 is my Wednesday 0200, sorry will be asleep07:14
DawnFosteroh, not a problem - you can check out the minutes later & look at some task lists07:14
guest12345k cheers07:15
DawnFosterit's not a great time for Asia, New Zealand, Australia, etc.07:15
DawnFosterlater07:15
guest12345no is not, see ya07:15
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brokendatapointDawnFoster: sorry to bother you ... quick question re forum triage08:10
DawnFostersure08:10
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DawnFosterbut after this question, it's my bedtime :)08:10
DawnFoster(Portland, OR)08:11
brokendatapointonce i have an answer, may i reply to the orignal question asker?08:12
brokendatapointand then how do i/we consider it closed?08:12
DawnFosteryeah, go ahead and reply to the person and remove it from the wiki page.08:15
brokendatapointok thanks, cheers08:15
Stskeepsyou're late up :)08:15
DawnFosterhave a good day, and thanks for helping out!08:15
* Stskeeps starts day shift08:15
DawnFosterStskeeps: yep, but not for long. Zzzzzzzzz08:16
Stskeepscya08:16
DawnFosterttyl08:17
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brokendatapointanyone Meego hardware geeks/devs online now?08:54
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wrinkliezhey guys.  can someone tell me the status of wifi on the u100? i keep seeing lots of different posts (including this one http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=283) but im a bit of a nub and cant actually tell... can i use my wifi yet? XD09:45
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slainemorning all10:31
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sivangmorning slaine10:34
slainemorning sivang10:34
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slainecan anyone recommend a netbook with a Pinetrail processor that works under meego ?11:27
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achipa_nettopis it just me or SSO still does not work on wiki.meego.com ?11:57
Stskeepslog in from meego.com first11:58
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achipa_nettopI am logged in11:58
achipa_nettopmeego.com is okay... but when I go to the wiki11:58
achipa_nettopI have both log in and log out11:58
achipa_nettop(and am treated as not logged in)11:59
achipa_nettopthough... www.maemo.org seems down, which might be part of the puzzle12:01
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alexoHello. I need an information how to stop X server on MeeGo 1.0 (I'm using VirtualBox and X trying to start very offten).12:35
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airmackalexo: either kill the process or stop it from beeing executed in the first place12:37
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TermanaThat,12:46
Termanaor time travel back to 1984 and kill Bob Scheifler and Jim Gettys12:46
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tekojolbt: I thought I said short :)12:55
lbterr...12:55
lbtthat *is* short12:55
lbtOK, thorough12:55
tekojoNow I'll spend the rest of the week reading that :D12:56
lbtsorry...12:56
lbtI just felt it was a bit sensitive and I can be too blunt sometimes12:56
tekojooh, well, at least I get to make a summary of it12:56
lbtnah, just say "yes David"12:58
lcuk2"these are not the droids you are looking for"12:59
FunkyPenguinmoin all13:00
FunkyPenguincould someone advise where i can find penge for moblin-panel-datetime please?13:01
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FunkyPenguinnever mind found it in myzone :)13:02
slainelbt, Is Stskeeps driving you to distraction already ?13:05
lbtheh...13:05
* Stskeeps is far away from lbt atm13:06
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lbttalk about distancing yourself ;)13:14
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faboSage: are you with Carsten ?14:12
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Termanafabo, I would say so14:23
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Sagefabo: yes, but not long (read 3min) :)14:44
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alexoCould someone tell me how to configure zypper to work behind proxy? I've already added PROXY_ENABLED and HTTP[S]_PROXY to /etc/sysconfig/proxy but it doesn't help.15:07
alexoyum and zypper output: Illegal instruction (core dumped). I tried to read coredump with gdb/bcaktrace, but it doesn't contain any readable information. BTW, I'm using VirtualBox and MeeGo 1.0 Netbook image.15:10
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cangussuhi. I'm having a hard time trying to find out how to make a key open the myzone panel, could anybody help me?16:00
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slaineshould be the Super key (aka the Windows key)16:04
cangussuthe super key is mapped to open the toolbar. I want to open myzone with a special key on my netbook16:07
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timeless_mbplbt: ping16:23
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DawnFosterquick reminder that some of us are meeting in #meego-meeting in 5 minutes for the Community Office meeting: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings16:56
DawnFosterAnyone who wants to work on community tasks can join.16:56
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lcuk2DawnFoster, also anyone remotely interested in knowing the goings on of the community office can join!16:57
zimmerleFor those interested in SELinux + Meego: http://www.zimmerle.org/?p=138 (my blog is not in MeeGo planet yet)16:57
* lcuk2 considers adding a proposal for MeeGo drinking game16:57
DawnFosterlcuk2 - sure. The meetings are focused on putting people to work, though :)16:57
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lcuk2everytime someone mentions rpm/deb we drink.  or when normal x86 vs atom, again drink!16:57
zimmerlelcuk2: you will need a ambulance :)16:58
* pupnik goes for more appejuice16:58
lcuk2:D16:58
lcuk2zimmerle, come up with better rules then!16:58
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pupnikor a bucket16:58
lcuk2thats a fine idea pupnik16:59
zimmerlelcuk2: it looks fine to me :) we just need an ambulance :P16:59
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lcuk2:D16:59
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pupnikmeego with X on qemu? http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=3154&postcount=6517:11
pupnikhttp://www.neopeek.com/en/stories/meego/17:14
pupniklink to qemu image is broken17:14
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Termanasivang, please try to keep general discussion in here rather than in the meeting room. General discussion adds to meeting clutter and clutters up the meeting log.17:20
sivangTermana: oh okay, sorry17:22
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pupnikaha meego with ubuntu kernel is here: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/17:28
sx0njei17:33
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sx0nhas anyone tested it?17:37
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sx0nbut really nice thing..17:39
pupniki would prefer to run it in virtualbox or qemu17:40
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pupnikput the whole image on a usb stick17:40
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qgil_hi there, we just had the Communtiy Office meeting. Question18:02
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qgil_does anybody want to help kicking off this task at http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office#Proposed_Tasks:_not_committed_yet18:02
qgil_"Agreement on 'Should meego.com offer a bug tracker tool to open source community projects?'"18:02
qgil_It's really about kicking the discussion and push it until we have a decision: basically yes or no, why and how18:03
qgil_a post to the meego-community list to get started is enough18:03
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b-manhey qgil_ :)18:04
qgil_if you are a Maemo developer using http://bugs.maemo.org you know what I'm talking about18:04
bergieqgil_: there are bunch of project hosting services that provide a VCS and a bug tracker... but if we want to push projects to gitorious, then bugzilla might be a good offering18:04
qgil_bergie: this is related to the QA community process for MeeGo Extras apps18:04
qgil_maybe that is the discussion we should start first, though18:05
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qgil_meaning, if you have bloquer bugs then you don't make it to Extras, or can be pulled down to Extras-testing (or whatever final names are decided)18:05
qgil_this assumes a common bug tracker like Debian and others have18:05
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qgil_but maybe there are better ways to do it than what we have done in maemo.org?18:06
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DawnFosterI think most people with open source projects, even extras type projects, like to have their own bug trackers and other infrastructure.18:07
qgil_DawnFoster: sure, the question is: are we going to have meego.com community repos? and if so, how is the quality of those apps surveilled?18:08
DawnFosterrepos are different18:08
DawnFosterand that's already an established project18:08
bergieqgil_: applications should at least provide a link to their bug tracker (like we do in Maemo Extras)18:08
TermanaI have posted links to the meeting minutes on the mailing list, under the meeting thread :)18:08
qgil_in the comunity repos you have community apps, what is the QA process for these community apps?18:08
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qgil_as said, I'm not pushing for a solution - I'm only aying we need one - and sooner than later18:09
DawnFosterqgil_: We have a team of people under Tero already working on that project18:09
fralsimo bugs.maemo.org is great for maemo specific oss projects, i imagine the same can be true for 'meego specific objects'18:09
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fralsand while larger projects might have their own bugtracker and other infra, some dont, and bugs.maemo.org worked out fine for me instead of having to wrestle with setting up my own system18:10
DawnFosterand it's already a community task18:10
bergieqgil_: in general I think the Extras QA process works well... of course it could be tuned18:10
DawnFosteroops, I mean committed task18:10
qgil_DawnFoster: sure, but that is a mega-task and not even I am sure Tero has the QA process definition in his mind (and we had a chat about this this morning)  :)18:12
thiagoqgil_: heya18:12
DawnFosterRight, but starting something separate from that effort doesn't make sense18:12
qgil_but you're right, the bug tracker thing is just a consequence of the QA process, so the QA process needs to be defined first18:12
qgil_the community repos are waiting for servers, but we don't need servers to start defining the QA process18:13
DawnFosterHopefully, Tero can assign someone from his team to figure out the QA piece18:13
qgil_publicly  :)18:13
qgil_I'll talk to him18:14
DawnFosterMy point is that Tero is leading this effort and we don't need to be mucking it up :)18:14
bergieok, time to go18:14
qgil_this is orthogonal: there are project leads and there are project tasks18:14
DawnFosterright, but the project leader gets to assign people to the tasks18:15
qgil_I don't try to step in Tero's toes, I'm just lobbying for a specific subtask to be defined since there are no symptoms of movement and this is something someone can start and get involved18:15
qgil_well... there are tasks and tasks, starting a discussion is not something you need to be authorized for (at least as I see it)18:15
DawnFosterWe can highlight the importance of a task, but we should let the existing team coordinate the tasks in the project18:16
qgil_I guess the good and efficient approach is something between a tree and a net  :)18:17
pupniki share qgil_'s desire to see things happen soon18:17
DawnFosterpupnik: agreed18:17
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pupnikand there are some elements of a community effort that are de-rigeur18:17
DawnFosterhowever, we can do this in a way that keeps the right people working together on a project18:17
pupnikmany would say that a bugtracker is one18:17
pupniki understand18:18
DawnFosterI'm just saying that we should start be encouraging the project team that is already working on this effort to add it as a task to their project18:18
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qgil_DawnFoster: understood18:18
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qgil_There is only an indirect reference to QA community process at http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_Community_Application_Support - if you want to help contact Tero (through the meego-community list, for instance)  :)18:21
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qgil_have a nice day, bye!18:22
dnearyDawnFoster, By the way, I'm not sure if you saw this - who is the person I would need to inform about the GNOME Developer Training at GUADEC in Intel, I think it's something a few people might be interested in18:22
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dnearyDawnFoster, http://guadec.org/index.php/guadec/2010/schedConf/training18:22
DawnFosterYou could post it to the meego-community list?18:23
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dnearyOK18:24
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lbtmissed the community meeting ... hospital appt :(18:27
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Stskeepsmm, train ride here18:29
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cangussuhi! is there any default e-book reader for meego?18:51
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DocScrutinizer2Stskeeps: o/18:53
Stskeepsmoo18:53
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DocScrutinizer2Stskeeps: /topic ... 9 June?18:53
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lbtOpen Letter/Proposal to allow Maemo on the MeeGo Community OBS : http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-June/001041.html20:22
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espen77hi all,20:34
Stskeepsmoo20:34
xDaReaperx=/ hi20:38
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slainelbt, eloquent as usual.20:39
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Stskeepsmoo slaine20:39
slaineyes, I'm still here :(20:39
Stskeepsat wrk?20:40
slaine(where here == work)20:40
Stskeepsah20:40
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Stskeepsi'm just happy i'm doing absolutely nothing atm :P20:40
slainebeen banging my head off our new netboot infra all day20:41
Stskeepswhat are you basing it on?20:41
slainecustom distro20:41
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slaineissue was with the dhcp configs that are autogenerated by a web ui20:42
Stskeepsah20:42
slainethen my image was turning on networking during the boot and hosing things, d'oh20:42
Stskeepsheh, like nfs booting and then a connection management daemon turns on..20:43
slaineyup20:43
slainesame thing20:43
slainethe / is nfs mounted, kernel gotten via pxe20:43
slaineThough that was just the last bug, the other stuff was what took up the time20:44
Stskeeps"nfs server a.b.c.d not answering.."20:44
slaineto add insult to injury, the coffee machine broke20:45
Stskeepsow20:45
Stskeeps:P20:45
slaineThink I fixed it though20:45
Stskeepsdid it boot off nfs? ;)20:45
slainelolk20:45
slaines/lolk/lol/20:45
infobotslaine meant: lol20:45
* slaine pats infobot20:45
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espen77is there a community repo with software not part of the core?20:47
Stskeepsnot yet20:47
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espen77ic, hope i can help when it gets created..20:49
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slaineStskeeps: is there an eta on that setup yet ?20:52
slaineor has it all been moved to new servers ?20:52
slaineiirc, it was all setup on the maemo obs servers20:52
Stskeepsit was set up initially on maemo obs to get started early i believe20:53
CosmoHillhey slaine and Stskeeps20:53
Stskeepscos hardware takes time to arrive20:54
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slaineYeah, I hoped I'd get access to test20:54
slainehow and ever, I've had no time over the last couple of months20:54
slaineCosmoHill: hey20:54
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* CosmoHill noms dinner20:58
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n0greenfxhey i didnt realize that installing meego would replace grub and i lost my option to boot ubuntu is there a way i can fix that in meego?21:15
CosmoHillerm21:15
slainedid you manually partition the drive ?21:16
CosmoHillI think the best way would be to boot ubuntu via syslinux boot loader21:16
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CosmoHillsince I'm pretty sure ubuntu would be ext4 but meego doesn't support that21:17
n0greenfxyes i did manually partition and yes ubuntu is ext 421:17
n0greenfxsyslinux bootloader? i gotta create a live image or something?21:18
CosmoHillno no21:18
CosmoHillsyslinux is the default boot loader installed by meego21:18
CosmoHills/default/only/21:18
infobotCosmoHill meant: syslinux is the only boot loader installed by meego21:18
CosmoHillyay I got infobot to work21:18
n0greenfxo ok21:18
n0greenfxhow do i go aboout doin that?21:19
ceolin@all, someone is having problems to install any package using gpk-install-local-file ?21:19
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n0greenfxwhen i boot up i can get into the meego bootloader but theres no option for ubuntu there either21:22
CosmoHilln0greenfx: I'll grab my laptop and see if I can boot RHEL from ubuntu's default boot laoder21:22
CosmoHills/ubuntu/meego/21:22
infobotCosmoHill meant: n0greenfx: I'll grab my laptop and see if I can boot RHEL from meego's default boot laoder21:22
n0greenfxok21:23
CosmoHillokay plan me21:25
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CosmoHillgrab your ubuntu CD21:25
n0greenfxi dont have one im on a netbook and have been unable to get a live usb working21:26
CosmoHillhow did you get it on there in the first place?21:26
n0greenfxi install meego using a live usb but now im stuck in meego and any image i have dd'ed to the usb wont boot21:27
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n0greenfxib tried a grub rescue image debian and ubuntu21:27
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CosmoHillcan you get into grub?21:28
n0greenfxnope21:28
n0greenfxjust the defualt meego loader21:28
CosmoHillcould you make a grub usb image?21:29
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n0greenfxi dd'ed the grub.img over to a usb and it wont boot21:29
CosmoHillhmm21:31
n0greenfxill try again21:32
n0greenfxgona dd'ed superbrug.img21:32
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CosmoHillI'm pretty used to command line grub and grub 221:35
espen77grub2 is nice to have on a usb, as it can read iso files21:37
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FunkyPenguinchaps sorry to bother you all, but anyone able to confirm what provides QtMessagingFramework?21:51
FunkyPenguinim trying to build MeeGo on openSUSE and am having issues locating that module21:51
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w00t_FunkyPenguin: do you mean 'where is QMF as a project' or 'where is the MeeGo RPM for it'?21:57
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FunkyPenguinw00t_, heh i was looking for the srpm/tarball but i found it21:59
w00t_ok, good21:59
FunkyPenguini was looking for qtmessagingframework, but it was hiding in plain sight as messagingframework :)22:00
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Stskeepsi must have calmed down a bit, none of my posts are on this months metrics's 'mailing list topics (number of posts)' list :)22:16
* w00t_ goes to read22:18
StskeepsSage: you're rank 21 of top participants of bugzilla, good job :)22:19
SageI am? :)22:19
Sagewhere did you find that kind of information?22:19
Stskeepswiki.meego.com/Metrics22:19
w00t_meego-sdk really is a flop22:20
w00t_:P22:20
SageWould be nice is #meego-arm would be taken into account in that IRC analysis. Is that channel official btw?22:20
w00t_(the ML)22:20
StskeepsSage: i think we'll start with more specialized irc analysis over the summer i guess22:21
* satmd sees a w00t_ and a sts and things are good22:21
Stskeepsalso, when everything's on a proper server..22:21
satmdhi there ;)22:21
* w00t_ wants to generate stats more often, too22:21
Sagefair enough22:21
w00t_(graphs! goodies! oh my..)22:22
Sagenot much git/bugzilla participants :)22:23
SageOr did they cut the list at random 22&21 point? :)22:23
w00t_wow, #1722:23
w00t_I need to talk more22:23
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satmdyes22:25
satmd:p22:25
w00t_lo satmd22:26
w00t_how's things22:26
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satmdfine22:27
satmdI'm still living22:27
satmdeven after the debacle22:27
satmd:D22:27
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Stskeepsdid unrealircd die yet?22:27
Stskeeps:P22:27
w00t_debacle..? what happened :P22:27
Stskeeps(please say yes)22:27
satmdno, but the whole world is using my post for reference22:27
w00t_oh, that one..22:28
w00t_:P22:28
Stskeepsurl?22:28
Stskeeps:P22:28
satmdStskeeps: last release april 0922:28
satmdbut a 3.2.9 is planned22:28
satmdurl?22:28
w00t_to your post22:28
w00t_presumably.22:28
satmdgoogle for 752e46f2d873c1679fa99de3f52a274d22:29
satmde.g. http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/IRC-server-had-backdoor-in-source-code-for-months-Update-1020987.html directly references my forum post22:29
w00t_hehe22:30
w00t_lovely mess22:30
Stskeepsphew, noted as former developer22:30
satmdwell, I was promoted, too22:31
w00t_lol22:31
satmdat least for the media22:31
satmd:)22:31
* satmd still wants to know *how* the intrusion worked22:31
Stskeepswell, we can start with the suspicious looking sudo commands in the php22:32
satmd*G*22:32
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w00t_thus, in a word: probably somehow related to the glorious former web developer22:33
satmdhaha22:33
Stskeepsanyway, off topic here :P22:33
satmd:p22:33
w00t_Stskeeps: oh come on22:33
satmdwe'll survive it :p22:33
w00t_it's hardly like this channel is hopping with activity atm. :p22:33
* Stskeeps goes make sure his linkedin.com profile doesn't say he's still working on unrealircd..22:34
satmdw00t_: still... we don't know more than I currently do - except syzop22:34
satmdlol.22:34
* satmd stopped participation after m_dnsbl22:34
satmdbut someone *had* to make it public22:34
satmd:p22:34
* w00t_ shrugs22:35
satmdnot just our forum22:35
* satmd didn't think irc-sec reader would republish it22:35
satmd:p22:35
satmd+s22:35
* w00t_ is still happy to be doing other things22:36
satmd:P22:36
satmdoh, insp reached 2.022:36
satmdand I switched22:36
satmd:p22:36
* Stskeeps wonders if it actually gets dark in finland22:36
satmdlol22:36
w00t_satmd: did it explode?22:36
satmdok ok, I shut up22:36
w00t_Stskeeps: depends how far north you are22:36
satmdnot yet :P22:36
w00t_I'd guess.22:36
satmdminor bugs and desync of chanmodes22:37
satmdbut well... fine22:37
lcuk2Stskeeps, you wandered away from project in december 2008!22:38
Stskeepsah, good22:38
satmd:)22:38
lcuk2syzop said he would push 3.2.8 soon after22:38
lcuk2and its 3.2.8.1 thats got prob22:38
* w00t_ stares22:39
satmdat who?22:39
w00t_another irc nut amongst us?22:39
satmd:D22:39
lcuk2Stskeeps, fyi, it was 2:06pm lol22:39
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melmothanybody knows why one needs a machine with a intel cpu to run the meego sdk ?22:46
Stskeepsmelmoth: meego netbook sdk, fwiw, but cos the chroot is compiled towards ssse322:46
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melmothis there a way to get the sources, and compile it for an amd box ?22:47
* satmd carefully asks about the state of meego for "not so active anymore" devs (of other software)22:48
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aukemelmoth: all the src.rpms are on the repo server, you can rebuild them for any architecture22:49
melmothsounds good. (i m just wondering why they only ship binary for a given cpu model).22:50
aukeseveral reasons. most importantly that is because they are the platforms that are supported.22:51
melmothdo you have the url where i can get the src rpm by any chances ?22:51
Stskeepsrepo.meego.com has them22:52
aukethat's it22:53
melmoththanks22:53
Stskeepsprjconf for OBS is on gitorious22:53
Stskeepshave fun22:54
* melmoth is lost22:54
* satmd finds melmoth :)22:55
Stskeepsdraft CFP for the meego conference published, http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/DraftCFP22:55
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Stskeepshrm, we're really missing QA mention there23:03
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DawnFosterStskeeps: funny how know matter how long you look at something, you always realize what you missed a few minutes after you send it to someone else :)23:10
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Stskeepsyeah23:10
slaineok folks23:17
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slainebeen here for close to 14 hours23:17
Stskeepstime to go home? ;)23:17
slainetime to go23:17
slainecatch you all tomorrow23:17
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