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| chouchoune|qsdf | hello | 00:47 |
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| chouchoune|qsdf | did someone try to install Meego on a eeePC 900A ? | 00:47 |
| chouchoune|qsdf | I have a problem on boot | 00:47 |
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| chouchoune|qsdf | I have a SquashFS error saying that squashfs_read_data failed to read block 0x.............. | 00:48 |
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| DawnFoster | chouchoune|qsdf: I haven't seen that error before - can you submit it to the forum http://forum.meego.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6 | 01:03 |
| DawnFoster | We'll see if anyone else has run across it | 01:03 |
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| chouchoune|qsdf | actually it seams to be the same problem like here : http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=250 | 01:09 |
| chouchoune|qsdf | it's writing the squashfs errors and then "Bug uin initramfs /init detected. Dropping to a shell. Good luck !" | 01:09 |
| chouchoune|qsdf | etc... | 01:10 |
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| chouchoune|qsdf | I'll try to create the stick with dd instead of image-writer found on meego.com to see if it's better ... | 01:11 |
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| w00t_ | DawnFoster: it appears we are on the same wavelength on the meego vendors thread :) | 01:22 |
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| DawnFoster | w00t_ yeah, we need to be careful about what we encourage people to post in the community forums. I don't want to be customer support for every vendor device :) | 01:24 |
| w00t_ | precisely :-) | 01:24 |
| w00t_ | that's something which I think hit maemo.org far too hard, particularly when the N900 was released | 01:25 |
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| * ShadowJK wonders how to break the trend of vendors ignoring their own devices | 01:26 | |
| DawnFoster | and the reality is that the MeeGo community needs to stay focused on the core / reference implementations not every implementation | 01:26 |
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| HtheB | o/ | 01:26 |
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| HtheB | does anyone know if meego 1.0 works on default notebooks/pc's ? | 01:27 |
| HtheB | (live bootable usb sticks) | 01:27 |
| microlith | HtheB: it will work on most intel-based devices made within the last 3 years | 01:27 |
| CosmoHill | default? | 01:27 |
| HtheB | just a normal laptop | 01:28 |
| DawnFoster | details about requirements: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_FAQ#Will_MeeGo_work_on_my_netbook.3F | 01:28 |
| HtheB | (not atom based) | 01:28 |
| CosmoHill | any intel laptop with SSSE3 (Core 2 and newer) and an intel graphics card | 01:28 |
| HtheB | I tried it on my notebook but all I get was some error | 01:28 |
| HtheB | hmm | 01:28 |
| HtheB | intel graphics card... | 01:28 |
| w00t_ | ShadowJK: enthusiast sites/forums, I think | 01:28 |
| HtheB | Got an Asus G51j 3D | 01:28 |
| w00t_ | ShadowJK: that plus ringing them up and bitching like hell and going with the ones with the best support | 01:28 |
| HtheB | Corei7 720Qm | 01:29 |
| HtheB | nvidia GTX260M | 01:29 |
| microlith | HtheB: probably the graphics | 01:29 |
| HtheB | yeah... thought so | 01:29 |
| DawnFoster | no one has written support for nvidia yet | 01:29 |
| HtheB | darn it =( | 01:29 |
| CosmoHill | that's not an intel graphics card | 01:29 |
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| ShadowJK | w00t_: well it's not just support, things like presales info you'd want to know are so incredibly hard to get | 01:29 |
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| w00t_ | ShadowJK: hmm. can't say I've had trouble with that usually | 01:30 |
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| HtheB | not possible to change the drivers? :p | 01:30 |
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| DawnFoster | I'm pretty sure it's more than just drivers | 01:31 |
| ShadowJK | w00t: well ok, go to nokia.com and tell me the max charging current from nokia'd DC-10 car charger | 01:31 |
| w00t_ | never needed to know it tbh | 01:31 |
| w00t_ | :P | 01:31 |
| ShadowJK | it costs 4 times more than the cheap and useless one, but they dont say why | 01:32 |
| HtheB | guess it's a no-go for me then | 01:32 |
| CosmoHill | feel free to get nvidia working on meego :) | 01:32 |
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| HtheB | CosmoHill, got the wrong dude for it xD | 01:33 |
| HtheB | cauz I Don't know where to start | 01:33 |
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| HtheB | just been thinking... would VM work!? | 01:34 |
| CosmoHill | I think tomrrow I'll spend 2 hours trying nvidia on meego | 01:34 |
| CosmoHill | HtheB: no | 01:34 |
| HtheB | booooo | 01:34 |
| CosmoHill | it may work with vmware but I've not tested it | 01:34 |
| HtheB | CosmoHill, I like to help you | 01:34 |
| HtheB | hmm | 01:34 |
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| CosmoHill | you could try vmware player or vmware workstation | 01:35 |
| HtheB | got virtual box over here | 01:35 |
| microlith | virtualbox! | 01:35 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 01:35 |
| DawnFoster | virtual environments are a bit problematic because of the way we use graphics acceleration | 01:35 |
| DawnFoster | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_FAQ#Does_MeeGo_run_in_virtual_environments.3F | 01:35 |
| HtheB | ._. | 01:35 |
| CosmoHill | virtualbox lacks the 3D graphics acceleration required | 01:35 |
| HtheB | ok, downloading vmware | 01:35 |
| HtheB | workstation | 01:35 |
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| microlith | CosmoHill: nonsense, I use 3D in Ubuntu all day long | 01:35 |
| HtheB | well.. let's try it out! :p | 01:36 |
| pronto | meego!=ubuntu | 01:36 |
| HtheB | did anyone tryed it out alredy!? :p | 01:36 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 01:36 |
| microlith | pronto: in both cases you'd have to compile the modules | 01:36 |
| HtheB | ok .. :p | 01:36 |
| odin_ | why is it "required", how is the hardware acceleration exposed to software ? Is it an X11 extension ? or OpenGL ? or what ? | 01:36 |
| HtheB | guess I should be installing vmware then | 01:36 |
| DawnFoster | HtheB: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=218 | 01:36 |
| HtheB | download complete \o/ | 01:37 |
| HtheB | owh | 01:38 |
| HtheB | ._. | 01:38 |
| HtheB | huh | 01:38 |
| * HtheB in confused now | 01:38 | |
| * CosmoHill pets HtheB | 01:38 | |
| HtheB | so... should I install vmcrap!? | 01:39 |
| HtheB | :D | 01:39 |
| CosmoHill | yes but try not to sound like a fanboy in the process | 01:39 |
| odin_ | the "Intel community" seriously needs to re-spin the meego-1.0 for i386 support | 01:39 |
| HtheB | fanboy? | 01:39 |
| HtheB | no | 01:39 |
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| CosmoHill | i468* | 01:39 |
| odin_ | most of the issues are due to the high-water mark Intel has set itself (because it is trying to sell new hardware) | 01:39 |
| odin_ | but in order to create a "community" you need to allow it to work on older hardware first (even if it is slow) | 01:40 |
| odin_ | because it works, this will help drive sales for Intel as people want new hardware to make it run better | 01:40 |
| odin_ | sure you can have i686 spin, but an i386 spin would work for everyone | 01:40 |
| odin_ | but as it stands now, users are having issues, can not see, can not try "MeeGo" | 01:41 |
| odin_ | ah well.. maybe they will come back to us once their have gotten bored of their iPad ? | 01:41 |
| thresh | i will not be bored of my ipad if i had one | 01:42 |
| CosmoHill | bollocks | 01:42 |
| thresh | that's like a whole system to hack thru. | 01:42 |
| CosmoHill | it's an ipod touch for people with bad eyesight | 01:42 |
| odin_ | I'm glad I am working on the ARM side :) | 01:42 |
| thresh | i'm -2.75 :( | 01:43 |
| HtheB | u can do magiiiiiic with ipaaaad! | 01:43 |
| HtheB | ._. | 01:43 |
| thresh | so fits me! | 01:43 |
| CosmoHill | I duno what I am | 01:43 |
| Vortiago | If Ubuntu works with OpenGL and everything in vBox. Why not create a .vdi with ubuntu and the meego SDK installed (Autostarting it)? For Windows-users it would atleast make it a little bit easier to test things out | 01:43 |
| HtheB | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATpSPNIuj3M | 01:43 |
| CosmoHill | if you want to work on the core of meego you can, just boot it into init 3 | 01:44 |
| Vortiago | But that's no fun if you want to see the UI | 01:44 |
| microlith | the point is we need another cpu vendor to support this project ;) | 01:45 |
| Vortiago | And the SDK seems abit 'kinder' with what it runs on compared to the netbook image | 01:45 |
| HtheB | hmm | 01:46 |
| HtheB | yeah I already saw the terminal :P | 01:46 |
| HtheB | (on the N900) | 01:46 |
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| HtheB | ok, I guess I was a bit quick to be happy :D | 01:49 |
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| pupnik | why dont we add unix metadata to our vfat module? store it in a file | 02:12 |
| pupnik | then we could chown/chmod/ln on vfat | 02:12 |
| odin_ | Hmm... why don't we dump vfat fullstop :) | 02:12 |
| odin_ | provide USB storage via a VFAT emulator | 02:12 |
| pupnik | ibility | 02:12 |
| pupnik | for compat | 02:13 |
| odin_ | with what ? Windows95 ? since Win2k onwards uses NTFS | 02:13 |
| pupnik | other devices | 02:13 |
| pupnik | hmm | 02:13 |
| odin_ | still don't get you, you are talking about the file sys format of the internal storage ? | 02:13 |
| pupnik | so newer windows can read ext2/3 etc? | 02:14 |
| pupnik | no addon cards | 02:14 |
| pupnik | sd/microsd | 02:14 |
| odin_ | for example N900 and Maemo uses a large VFAT partition for /home/user/MyDocs so that it can be exported over USB as USB Storage for ease of use | 02:14 |
| pupnik | yeah | 02:14 |
| pupnik | and that | 02:14 |
| odin_ | well there is a windows driver for ext3 yes, not sure if it is stable tho | 02:14 |
| odin_ | well I'm planning to rid the world of that VFAT use (ala N900) | 02:14 |
| odin_ | have EXT3 and export an emulated file system, that looks like VFAT over USB | 02:15 |
| odin_ | it also means the device does not need to unmount it :) yay | 02:15 |
| pupnik | oh NICE | 02:15 |
| pupnik | lets do that! | 02:16 |
| odin_ | VFAT is not complicatde enough and I hope to do the hard work in userspace | 02:16 |
| pupnik | you are my hero | 02:16 |
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| odin_ | you just allocated a real-file on your EXT3 (or whatever storage) to use are your workspace, like FATs and inode/directory translations | 02:16 |
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| pupnik | !beer odin_ | 02:17 |
| odin_ | the only issue is space, i.e. stopping the device and the USB host from both filling it up, but I guess a % based system will do | 02:17 |
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| pupnik | i will gladly test on n900 | 02:18 |
| pupnik | id love a n900 that was bigger with 1024x600 | 02:19 |
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| meego_ | hi | 02:21 |
| odin_ | ah Mr Meego has arrived... someone was asking for you earlier! | 02:21 |
| meego_ | one question, what bootloader does meego use by default? | 02:22 |
| odin_ | apparently your are the source of frustration for some | 02:22 |
| meego_ | don't think it's me odin_ :) | 02:22 |
| odin_ | meego_, which hardware ? Intel or ARM ? | 02:22 |
| meego_ | intel atom | 02:22 |
| odin_ | meego_, yes I jest meego_ | 02:22 |
| meego_ | (it's my first time in this room) | 02:23 |
| odin_ | ah I don't know much about Intel's offering I'm afraid, I'm sure someone else here does, but I would hope its a regular BIOS and loader like PC | 02:23 |
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| odin_ | yes and its $100 a question, you did read the T&C on way in didn't you ? | 02:23 |
| meego_ | ok, thanks, i'll try | 02:23 |
| odin_ | hehe | 02:23 |
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| odin_ | meego_, got it booted yet ameego? :) which make/model Intel atom device do you have there ? | 02:26 |
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| meego_ | yes i'm using MeeGo v1.0 right now | 02:27 |
| meego_ | model name: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz | 02:27 |
| meego_ | ummm no lilo nor grub commands in /sbin | 02:28 |
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| odin_ | meego_, how are you booting it right now ? USB memory stick ? just because the utility commands are not available, doesn't mean it is not using it, since it was already setup in the image file you loaded | 02:29 |
| meego_ | liveUSB uses grub (i'm almost sure) but once installed i can see no boot menu | 02:30 |
| meego_ | well, let me retry | 02:30 |
| meego_ | i'm comming | 02:30 |
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| meego_ | ok, it is grub | 02:33 |
| meego_ | i can see the grub menu with tab key | 02:34 |
| odin_ | what are you trying to do, setup a dual boot ? | 02:34 |
| meego_ | thanks | 02:34 |
| DawnFoster | I thought it was syslinux, not grub? | 02:35 |
| meego_ | i want the menu to appear an default to Win (i'm not the only one who uses this netbook) | 02:35 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: mee too | 02:35 |
| meego_ | and* | 02:35 |
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| DawnFoster | Meego_: I assume you saw the FAQ, which has links to how to create dual boot env & more? | 02:36 |
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| odin_ | meego_, but your MeeGo install is on a USB stick ? or internal storage ? (i.e. does it bootup Win when you unplug the USB stick?) if so what is the concern to reconfigure ? | 02:37 |
| meego_ | hard disk | 02:37 |
| odin_ | meego_, ok understand | 02:37 |
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| meego_ | DawnFoster: i'm checking here, help.meego.com/ i can see no FAQ section | 02:39 |
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| DawnFoster | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_FAQ | 02:40 |
| meego_ | yes, just found it :) | 02:42 |
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| DawnFoster | the forums also have a lot more troubleshooting info | 02:42 |
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| meego_ | rebooting to try... | 02:45 |
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| anthony | i just tried installing meego on my toshiba laptop, it didnt work >_> A thread on the forums suggested it could work but it didnt. ah well :9 | 02:46 |
| HtheB | same here | 02:46 |
| HtheB | but on a Asus laptop :p | 02:46 |
| anthony | yeah such a shame eh | 02:46 |
| anthony | i relaly wnated to try it out | 02:46 |
| anthony | i've heard even certain desktops running it too | 02:46 |
| odin_ | anthony, can you please describe your experience/problem ? | 02:46 |
| anthony | I installed it successfully | 02:47 |
| anthony | then a popup appeared at the end | 02:47 |
| anthony | something about ''we have to finalize we'll be back in a jiffy'' | 02:47 |
| odin_ | anthony, have you confirmed your hardware meets to pre-requisites ? Which CPU and Graphics card do you have ? | 02:47 |
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| anthony | nope, im not relaly askign for technical help :P it was a laptop and i was just hoping it would work (since i heard about other woshiba laptops running it) | 02:48 |
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| anthony | toshiba* | 02:48 |
| anthony | is meego ever gonna be availble for laptops? | 02:48 |
| meego_ | perfect, you were right, it is syslinux | 02:48 |
| meego_ | i was confused by the grub-like keybindings | 02:48 |
| odin_ | anthony, what method of install did you use ? not a pre-made image then ? | 02:49 |
| tyler__ | CosmoHill: Any luck with nVidia drivers? | 02:49 |
| CosmoHill | on meego? no | 02:49 |
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| anthony | i used that software on the meego site to pyut it on a 16 gb usb | 02:49 |
| anthony | put* | 02:49 |
| odin_ | anthony, as far as I know, there is no planned or announced support for other/older hardware at this time, however theoretically the "Intel community" can address the issue themselves ? | 02:49 |
| tyler__ | anthony: Technically you can install MeeGo onto a laptop granting it has an Intel processor and an Intel graphics chipset. | 02:49 |
| anthony | hmmm | 02:50 |
| anthony | i might be able to try it out on one of my older laptops then | 02:50 |
| odin_ | however the community doesn't even have this thing called OBS (a build platform) which is needed to address that problem | 02:50 |
| tyler__ | anthony: Also, there is not going to be any 'easy install' for proprietary graphics drivers. | 02:51 |
| anthony | but for some reaosn my old HP laptop doesn't detect USBs on the BIOS | 02:51 |
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| tyler__ | From what I heard anyway. | 02:51 |
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| odin_ | is there such thing as proprietary graphics drivers? everyone has ATI, Nvidia or Intel don't they ? | 02:51 |
| anthony | alright, well thanks for the help duders. Hopefulyl someday I'll be able to try out meego in some form :P peace out ! | 02:52 |
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| odin_ | ah well another one bites the dust | 02:52 |
| tyler__ | Yeah, the drivers for ATI and Nvidia are proprietary. | 02:53 |
| odin_ | I wonder which head of whatever department made the SSSE3 decision they must be real smart | 02:53 |
| Termana | odin_, I guess we shouldn't have made fun of that guy last night - turns out someone really is using the nickname meego in here :P | 02:53 |
| tyler__ | There are open source drivers for the cards... but they don't work well. | 02:53 |
| odin_ | some are pretty ok | 02:56 |
| tyler__ | Like the nouveau driver looks promising and you can get compiz working with it... but don't expect to do any gaming. | 02:56 |
| tyler__ | And the ATI open source driver? Let's not talk about that abomination. | 02:57 |
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| meego_ | bye, thanks to all | 03:16 |
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| bfree | what's wrong with the radeon driver, I'm a happy user. what I want to know is has anyone got the mga driver working ;-) makes me laugh it's in the meego core repo and radeon isn't :-p | 03:20 |
| arjan_ | I got it working on my core i7 box ;) | 03:21 |
| arjan_ | the sad part is that software rendering is faster than the 3D of the MGA hardware | 03:21 |
| bfree | priceless ;-) | 03:21 |
| arjan_ | it's awesome for debugging UI toolkits | 03:22 |
| arjan_ | 1 or 2 frames per second max | 03:22 |
| arjan_ | so you see it if things get drawn in steps | 03:22 |
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| CosmoHill | arjan_: if X doesn't use xorg.conf to set the screen resolution and load the graphic drivers, what does? | 03:25 |
| arjan_ | the graphics driver gets loaded based on PCI IDs | 03:26 |
| bfree | mga with a core i7 ... I really did laugh out loud, but I'm not putting the funky mga card I have (with breakout box) into my amd box just to try it | 03:26 |
| arjan_ | and the graphics driver detects the screen resolution via probing | 03:26 |
| arjan_ | bfree: servers get the cheapest on board graphics they can find I suppose | 03:26 |
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| bfree | arjan_: your mga was onboard? on a server board? I basically thought mga was dead (and things like rage128 chips got put on server boards for cheap outputs) | 03:27 |
| arjan_ | yep | 03:27 |
| arjan_ | I suppose dead == cheap ;) | 03:28 |
| bfree | still makes me laugh ;-) | 03:28 |
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| arjan_ | CosmoHill: it's not very elegant, but the X server has things like "if PCI vendor ID = 8086 load the intel driver" | 03:29 |
| CosmoHill | arjan_: this is done by a startup script right? what one? | 03:29 |
| arjan_ | no inside the X server itself | 03:29 |
| CosmoHill | any idea where? | 03:29 |
| arjan_ | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/tree/hw/xfree86/common/xf86pciBus.c | 03:33 |
| arjan_ | see line 1100 | 03:33 |
| arjan_ | in older X (1.8) it's in hw/xfree86/common/xf86AutoConfig.c around line 180 | 03:33 |
| arjan_ | (it moved 9 days ago) | 03:33 |
| CosmoHill | 1132 is nv | 03:35 |
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| CosmoHill | i think i can get the nvidia binary onto meego but then it breaks GL i think | 03:36 |
| arjan_ | the libgl nvidia thing is evil in some ways | 03:36 |
| arjan_ | 'cause you are basically replacing a core system library with something els | 03:37 |
| arjan_ | e | 03:37 |
| arjan_ | that is always "fun" | 03:37 |
| CosmoHill | it would explain why X complains about libgl after nvidia is install and not before | 03:38 |
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| CosmoHill | so meego needs 3D | 03:39 |
| arjan_ | quite | 03:39 |
| CosmoHill | nvidia supports this put breaks things | 03:39 |
| CosmoHill | nouveau doesn't support it but probably doesn't break other things | 03:39 |
| arjan_ | nouveau is starting to support it | 03:40 |
| * arjan_ ponders dinner | 03:40 | |
| arjan_ | back later | 03:40 |
| CosmoHill | in that case I'm going to sleep | 03:40 |
| CosmoHill | cyas | 03:40 |
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| kkszysiu | what app is used to configure for example accounts for libsocialweb? | 04:08 |
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| pronto | switchign between windows on meego could give someone motion sickness o_o | 06:19 |
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| b-man|laptop | pronto: lol | 06:30 |
| pronto | been playing around with the live bood img | 06:30 |
| b-man|laptop | ah :) | 06:31 |
| b-man|laptop | can't wait for the tablet edition to come out :) | 06:31 |
| pronto | nice idea, but i'm going to stick with what i have on my netbook | 06:31 |
| b-man|laptop | it'l become more useful as it matures as most platforms do ;) | 06:32 |
| pronto | yeah | 06:32 |
| pronto | needs lots of maturing | 06:32 |
| pronto | then again i'm also an arch linux user | 06:32 |
| b-man|laptop | indeed xD | 06:32 |
| pronto | but once this thing maturies, it'll be something i reccomnd to computer illertates | 06:33 |
| Akron | meh it'll have any | 06:33 |
| * b-man|laptop spent half a day getting MeeGo 1.0 running on his N900 without using R&D mode/meego kernel | 06:34 | |
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| pronto | oh man nice | 06:35 |
| pronto | im keeping maemo on my n900, i kinda bought the n900 because i like what maemo had to offer | 06:35 |
| b-man|laptop | i just dual boot - so i don't touch maemo ;) | 06:35 |
| b-man|laptop | or it's kernel xD | 06:35 |
| Akron | stop yelling is for by work, but it may be too :d) xd | 06:35 |
| pronto | oh nice | 06:36 |
| pronto | b-man|laptop: did you have to reintall maemo, or did you resize maemo's partiton | 06:36 |
| b-man|laptop | i did neither :) | 06:37 |
| pronto | mircosd? | 06:37 |
| b-man|laptop | yup :) | 06:37 |
| pronto | nice | 06:37 |
| pronto | how big of a mirco sd did you need? | 06:37 |
| b-man|laptop | and a copy of maemo's kernel modules ;) | 06:37 |
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| b-man|laptop | although it requires me to re-package some of Nokia's closed components (libbmeipc, libcal, dsme, bme-rx-51) | 06:38 |
| pronto | would you be awesome enough to provide this ? | 06:38 |
| b-man|laptop | well, i can't exactly provide the closed components, but i could tell you how to do it :) | 06:39 |
| pronto | man sure you can , i arleay have a n900 :| | 06:39 |
| b-man|laptop | although the process is quite extensive | 06:39 |
| b-man|laptop | well | 06:39 |
| b-man|laptop | 1st | 06:39 |
| b-man|laptop | you need a good distro to re-package the closed stuff | 06:40 |
| b-man|laptop | and you need a program called alien | 06:40 |
| b-man|laptop | then you need the meego image creator | 06:41 |
| b-man|laptop | and you need to get the meego-closed.ks file from tablets-dev.nokia.com | 06:41 |
| b-man|laptop | but | 06:41 |
| b-man|laptop | since those closed packages are armv5te | 06:42 |
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| b-man|laptop | you need to re package them to 'look like' armv7l packages so they are installable in meego 1.0 | 06:42 |
| pronto | oh man | 06:42 |
| b-man|laptop | as the packages in meego 1.0 are armv7l | 06:43 |
| b-man|laptop | yeah xD | 06:43 |
| b-man|laptop | quite extensive xD | 06:43 |
| b-man|laptop | anyways | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | wait for us to publish a closed repo and image matching 1.0. | 06:43 |
| b-man|laptop | pronto: take Stskeeps's advice ;) | 06:44 |
| pronto | lol | 06:44 |
| b-man|laptop | you'll keep your sanity xD | 06:44 |
| pronto | yeah the arch repos, nor aur have taht 'alien' program | 06:45 |
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| Termana | Rather than repackage BME and DSME wouldn't it have been easier to start them with a chroot into the Maemo rootfs? (eg. what I believe NITdroid used to do on the n8x0 tablets) | 06:51 |
| b-man|laptop | sure - that would make a good temporary workaround | 06:52 |
| b-man|laptop | but unfortunately it's a pain to set up (well at least it was for me) | 06:53 |
| b-man|laptop | bme refused to start in a chroot in fedora12 | 06:53 |
| b-man|laptop | no matter what i did | 06:54 |
| b-man|laptop | the only thing keeping fedora12 alive was the watchdog package and a custom config file | 06:55 |
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| b-man|laptop | didn't even have charging :( | 06:56 |
| b-man|laptop | running other OSs on the N8x0's were soo much easer due to the seprate initfs partition which took care of most of the critical tasks before the OS even booted xD | 06:58 |
| b-man|laptop | on the N900's hardware most of the critical tasks are in the OS itself | 06:59 |
| b-man|laptop | anyways, time for bed :) | 06:59 |
| b-man|laptop | c ya :) | 06:59 |
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| Blaze___ | hello i am very excited about meego, does anyone know if it is compatible with this laptop: Intel Core 2 Duo 6600 cpu, 4gb ram, HP laptop | 07:26 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | Blaze___: it's meant for atom based netbooks, but if the CPU has SSSE3 instructions and an Intel GPU in it, go for it. | 07:27 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | if not, be prepared to do your own work to make it work | 07:27 |
| Blaze___ | ok ill try it... i really like it... is there a way to donate to meego? | 07:28 |
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| Termana | :D somehow I doubt MeeGo needs donations | 07:42 |
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| Blaze___ | ok thanks...i'm so excited for this product, Termana are you using meego on a netbook? | 07:44 |
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| Termana | You might consider individual linux foundation membership or something like that - that could be a way to show your support for LF and MeeGo | 07:45 |
| Termana | I'm not using MeeGo on a netbook | 07:45 |
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| Stskeeps | REMINDER: N900 hardware adaptation team meeting in 30 minutes in #meego-meeting, agenda at http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Meetings | 08:32 |
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| pronto | Stskeeps: its okay if i just idle in there so i can see whats going on? | 08:34 |
| pronto | or are you a bot? | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | yes, idling is allowed or even on topic participation | 08:35 |
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| pronto | yeah i don't know much about meego, but i do own an n900 | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | and no, not a bot, but i would be first in line to upload myself into an AI ;) | 08:36 |
| pronto | haha, nice | 08:36 |
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| pronto | some channel i was in once had a semi smart bot, and i was out of it, ...and talk to the damn thing for about a half our before someone told me what i was doign >.< | 08:37 |
| Quu | haha | 08:37 |
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| foureight84 | Hello | 08:37 |
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| foureight84 | has anyone here been able to sign on to aim with empathy? | 08:38 |
| pronto | though one thing meego needs is skype (didnt see it on the netbook img i play with today) | 08:38 |
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| Quu | pronto: there is guide how to install it | 08:38 |
| pronto | ah okay | 08:39 |
| pronto | i'll look into it later | 08:39 |
| Quu | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=2412&postcount=9 | 08:39 |
| Quu | erm | 08:39 |
| Quu | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=355 | 08:39 |
| Quu | well yeah, seems like you just download the .rpm and install | 08:39 |
| Quu | lol | 08:39 |
| pronto | lol | 08:40 |
| foureight84 | can't you just do sudo rpm -i skype.rpm? | 08:40 |
| Quu | might not be in repo's | 08:40 |
| pronto | oo i dont think i've used a rpm basied distro | 08:40 |
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| foureight84 | yea you can download the rpm from skype's website | 08:41 |
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| pronto | man chaning windows is going to give me motion sickness xD | 08:41 |
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| Quu | haha | 08:42 |
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| pronto | and for what ever reason its not loggin me into lastfm xD | 08:42 |
| foureight84 | can anyone very that aim works for them on meego? cause i can't sign on at all and it seems that the devs aren't acknowledging this... saying that i typed my credentials incorrectly | 08:42 |
| pronto | foureight84: sure give me a second | 08:42 |
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| Quu | well i cant log into fecesbook chat | 08:42 |
| Quu | dunno whats wrong with that | 08:42 |
| foureight84 | it says "Offline -- No Network Connection" right? | 08:43 |
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| foureight84 | and it tries to reconnect over and over and stops after a few ties | 08:43 |
| foureight84 | tries? | 08:43 |
| pronto | seems like it connected | 08:43 |
| Quu | yeah | 08:43 |
| pronto | no one online | 08:43 |
| pronto | but i not sure if i have any buddies on aim | 08:43 |
| pronto | lol | 08:43 |
| foureight84 | mine doesn't connect all | 08:43 |
| foureight84 | it just says "Offline - No Network Connection" | 08:43 |
| pronto | my aim is pronto185 | 08:43 |
| foureight84 | and tries to reconnect | 08:43 |
| foureight84 | but when i put in the wrong credentials it only tries to connect once | 08:44 |
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| foureight84 | i'll add you in a second pronto | 08:44 |
| pronto | kk | 08:44 |
| pronto | wait it says off line | 08:45 |
| pronto | xD | 08:45 |
| foureight84 | yea | 08:45 |
| foureight84 | see | 08:45 |
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| foureight84 | can someone back me up on this bug then? http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2000#add_comment | 08:45 |
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| pronto | yeah i get the same with aim | 08:46 |
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| foureight84 | they closed the bug as resolved and it's a dupe of another unrelated bug.. seems like no one is trying to reproduce with aim | 08:46 |
| foureight84 | they're all trying it on msn or soemthing else and everyone just talks about people entering the wrong credential | 08:46 |
| pronto | heh | 08:47 |
| foureight84 | if you install pidgin like i mentioned in the bug you can't sign on to aim either | 08:47 |
| foureight84 | sudo yum install pidgin | 08:47 |
| pronto | does it make any diffentece this is off a usb drive? | 08:48 |
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| foureight84 | na it doesn't | 08:48 |
| foureight84 | it never does | 08:48 |
| foureight84 | if you rub ubuntu off of a live cd, if you have internet aim works fine | 08:48 |
| pronto | well installing things | 08:49 |
| foureight84 | oh | 08:49 |
| pronto | i dont normmaluy use live boots like this | 08:49 |
| foureight84 | does it save state? | 08:49 |
| foureight84 | like your twitter, and browsing history | 08:49 |
| foureight84 | i don't know if it writes to the usb image | 08:49 |
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| pronto | not sure | 08:49 |
| foureight84 | mine is installed to my harddrive | 08:49 |
| pronto | havent rebooted it yet | 08:49 |
| foureight84 | oh | 08:49 |
| pronto | yeah i have arch linux on the hdd, and honestly i pefer arch over meego | 08:50 |
| pronto | but its fun to play with new things | 08:50 |
| pronto | well pidgin is in stalled | 08:50 |
| foureight84 | just run pidgin from terminal | 08:50 |
| pronto | ah | 08:51 |
| pronto | not on the app menu | 08:51 |
| foureight84 | it appears as communicator in the menu | 08:51 |
| foureight84 | messenger is empathy | 08:51 |
| foureight84 | pidgin appears as internet communicator | 08:51 |
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| foureight84 | but either way pidgin won't connect either for me | 08:52 |
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| pronto | hrm | 08:52 |
| foureight84 | i'm really thinking that there's a bug with telepathy-haze which handles aim connection for both empathy and pidgin | 08:52 |
| pronto | got it on | 08:53 |
| pronto | whats wrong is ssl | 08:53 |
| foureight84 | oh yea you turned off ssl right? | 08:53 |
| pronto | with pidgin under advanced yiou disable ssl and it'll connect | 08:53 |
| foureight84 | empathy doesn't have that feature | 08:53 |
| pronto | with it on , it wont connect | 08:53 |
| foureight84 | okay yea i've seen that bug | 08:53 |
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| pronto | but on my arch desktop, pidgin connnects to aim with ssl | 08:53 |
| pronto | so there might be an ssl lib that meego is missing | 08:53 |
| foureight84 | yea | 08:54 |
| foureight84 | which is also affecting empathy | 08:54 |
| pronto | yeah | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | REMINDER: N900 hardware adaptation team meeting in 5 minutes in #meego-meeting, agenda at http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Meetings | 08:55 |
| pronto | lol in 5min its 2am here | 08:55 |
| foureight84 | http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=92091 | 08:56 |
| Surfa | and 0900 here, which is fine | 08:56 |
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| pronto | dont you just love arch people, they have the answer to it all xD | 08:56 |
| foureight84 | hehe | 08:57 |
| foureight84 | i saw the bug on ubuntu too | 08:57 |
| pronto | hence why my three computers now all run arch xD | 08:57 |
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| pronto | gonna see if the usb boot will save info | 08:59 |
| foureight84 | yea no offense to anyone here or the devs, but whoever is handling the bugs really need to consider the poster's comment more. rather than dismiss them of inputting the wrong credentials... | 08:59 |
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| pronto | i do like how fast thins thing boots though | 08:59 |
| pronto | i mean woah | 08:59 |
| foureight84 | yea it is fast | 08:59 |
| foureight84 | and it's minimal too | 08:59 |
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| pronto | lol damn, it dont save data | 09:00 |
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| foureight84 | that was a fast reboot | 09:01 |
| pronto | meegoo is fast lol | 09:02 |
| pronto | i wonder how fast this thing be on my main desktop xD | 09:03 |
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| foureight84 | i'm going to build empathy from source to see if it works | 09:10 |
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| pronto | foureight84: on a netbook? | 09:18 |
| foureight84 | haha na i'm running on a core 2 duo | 09:20 |
| pronto | oh haha | 09:20 |
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| pronto | i was playing with meego on my netbook, (booted into arch now on it now though) | 09:21 |
| foureight84 | i think i'll build telepathy-haze from source too | 09:21 |
| foureight84 | i'm determined to fix this i like this os | 09:21 |
| pronto | yeah it is a rather intersting os | 09:22 |
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| pronto | but i'm more of a command line junkie then anything , i like mininmal UI's that dont give you motion sickness xD | 09:22 |
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| foureight84 | alright i'm out | 09:29 |
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| foureight84 | have a good one pronto. nice chatting with you | 09:29 |
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| pronto | llaters | 09:29 |
| pronto | x.x | 09:29 |
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| pxchen_ | who can tell me the different from QT to Harmattan? | 10:00 |
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| thiago_home | your question doesn't really make sense | 10:00 |
| thiago_home | Harmattan contains Qt | 10:00 |
| Tumi_ | it's like comparing apes to mammals =) | 10:00 |
| pxchen_ | like hildon with gtk? | 10:01 |
| Tumi_ | like fremantle to gtk | 10:02 |
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| thiago_home | like Cocoa to Mac OS X | 10:02 |
| thiago_home | like .NET to Windows | 10:02 |
| Tumi_ | you first said Mac! | 10:03 |
| timeless_mbp | woohoo, progress | 10:03 |
| timeless_mbp | 963 dogenx.sh | 10:03 |
| timeless_mbp | 839 | 10:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | when that second number reaches the first number, i'll be able to put up an xref for meego :) | 10:04 |
| timeless_mbp | at this rate, it might be done by the weekend | 10:04 |
| thiago_home | xref? | 10:04 |
| timeless_mbp | cross-reference | 10:05 |
| timeless_mbp | like http://mxr.moego.org/meego/source/qt/ | 10:05 |
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| pxchen_ | i means Harmattan UI Framework, not meego/maemo6... | 10:05 |
| timeless_mbp | (which is based on Hg) | 10:05 |
| thiago_home | pxchen_: that's MeeGoTouch | 10:05 |
| timeless_mbp | but built by using the repository .rpm's | 10:05 |
| thiago_home | pxchen_: it's just a library on top of Qt | 10:05 |
| thiago_home | that is like hildon to gtk | 10:05 |
| thiago_home | but also like kdelibs to Qt | 10:05 |
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| macron | Does anybody here have experience in installing ATI graphics drivers on Meego? I am having problems...... | 10:21 |
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| pxchen | thiago_home, MeegoTouch use Harmattan UI Framework? | 10:32 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: Bug 2644 Submitted | 10:32 |
| timeless_mbp | pxchen: MeegoTouch *is* the Harmattan UI Framework | 10:32 |
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| sx0n | pxchen, no. it's a _harmattan ui framework_ | 10:37 |
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| pxchen | Otto is a small meegotouch applications? it based on meegotouch? | 10:42 |
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| pxchen | which repo should we use? we foucs on meegotouch/handset UX | 11:08 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders why sx0n wrote 'a' and whether that was intentionally in contradiction to 'the' | 11:11 | |
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| cbosdonnat | Hi all | 11:15 |
| cbosdonnat | I have tried to install meego on a KVM but always had a blank screen after the install: does anyone have some clue about what's happening? | 11:16 |
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| sx0n | pxchen, i think that timeless_mbp wants to answer you question. | 11:18 |
| sx0n | your | 11:18 |
| timeless_mbp | sx0n: i'm not sure i do :) | 11:19 |
| sx0n | timeless_mbp, why not? | 11:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | well, afaiu, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/ has the repositories | 11:20 |
| timeless_mbp | and iirc the handset ux hasn't reached 1.0 | 11:21 |
| timeless_mbp | s/iirc/iiuc/ | 11:21 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: and iiuc the handset ux hasn't reached 1.0 | 11:21 |
| pupnik | what open source browser is preferred for meego atm? | 11:22 |
| timeless_mbp | telnet! | 11:22 |
| X-Fade | For the arm image it is ;) | 11:23 |
| sivu | chromium | 11:23 |
| pupnik | the internet could be all BBSes for all i care timeless_mbp :) | 11:23 |
| pupnik | ty | 11:23 |
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| pxchen | I use 0.9.80.3.20100518.1 repo now. | 11:23 |
| pxchen | Should I use 1.0 repo? I think it just some basic libs, such as qt,glib and so on | 11:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | pxchen: so are you going to build meegotouch from git? | 11:36 |
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| pxchen | timeless_mbp: yes | 11:37 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 11:37 | |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 11:37 | |
| dedidedi | wow, meegotouch! | 11:37 |
| timeless_mbp | the problem is that i'm pretty sure that most people who build meegotouch don't actually use any of those repos as their baseline | 11:37 |
| timeless_mbp | generally, i'd pick the newest available baseline just because | 11:38 |
| timeless_mbp | but that advice is definitely not tailored to your case | 11:38 |
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| Trollkarlen | Anyone else have problems installing from the armv7l repos with zypper ? | 11:57 |
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| slaine | morning all | 12:02 |
| gour | is C++ for now the only language for meego development? | 12:03 |
| Tm_T | I would assume all languages that are supported by Qt would go | 12:04 |
| slaine | Qt is the API | 12:04 |
| * Tm_T hasn't tried all those fancy perl bindings | 12:04 | |
| sx0n | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_%28framework%29#Bindings | 12:04 |
| slaine | wot he said | 12:05 |
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| sx0n | at least pyside should be quite well supported: http://www.themacaque.com/?p=215 | 12:07 |
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| gour | i mean, some support for packaging apps etc. | 12:08 |
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| gour | pyside is pyqt-ng? | 12:09 |
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| Bostik | gour: effectively yes, although the original reason for starting the project was mostly political - from what I've heard, nokia simply refused to tie developers' hands with the license of pyqt, and started pyside to provide something with less restrictions | 12:13 |
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| kaz2057 | ehi guy, anyone use google contacts in evolution? | 12:15 |
| kaz2057 | i have problem with it. i have an error to access to it | 12:16 |
| kaz2057 | and, plus, i i have duplicated address book named "Google" | 12:16 |
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| gour | Bostik: yeah...anyway, i'm thinking about qthaskell | 12:18 |
| Bostik | haskell, always haskell... I've tried to have a look but apparenly am just too stupid to understand, let alone learn it | 12:19 |
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| * slaine is quiet happy to stick with C | 12:19 | |
| gour | Bostik: i haven't learn it as well, but it is nice language | 12:19 |
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| gour | in any case, one is not limited like with android in choosing the language | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | hey, does someone here have a meego build environment and time to test something for me? | 12:23 |
| gour | timeless_mbp: i've sdk in chroot...time? it depends how long it takes | 12:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | gour: so, there's a package 'post-build-checks' | 12:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | eww | 12:25 |
| gour | and? | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | well, the question is "can one delete the "patches" symlink | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | ?" | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a line in the spec file that says: | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp | %patch0 -p1 | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp | but it has nothing after it… before %build | 12:26 |
| gour | where one can find that package? | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp | so basically, can you delete the patches symlink, and build the package, and is it possible to repackage the srpm w/o that symlink | 12:27 |
| gour | i'm not quite familiar with rpm/yum using archlinux (and gentoo before that) | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/preview/core/repos/source/post-build-checks-1.0-75.1.src.rpm | 12:28 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders if that's the same as the one here | 12:28 | |
| timeless_mbp | it should be similar, the one i have is .2 | 12:29 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders where it came from | 12:29 | |
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| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 12:31 | |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: halp? | 12:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/core/repos/source/post-build-checks-1.0-75.2.src.rpm | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | google to my rescue! | 12:32 |
| lbt | timeless_mbp: sorry, no meego sdk on my AMD desktop... | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: yeah, no problem | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | i just couldn't find the file, it seems someone is magically moving things around in the repo | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | but google knows! | 12:33 |
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| oles | hello | 12:35 |
| lucazade | hi! are EMGD drivers available? | 12:36 |
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| oles | have some troubles during installation on my eee 1005pe - SQUASHFS error: sb_bread failed reading block | 12:38 |
| oles | after grub menu | 12:38 |
| timeless_mbp | oles: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/172937 ? | 12:39 |
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| oles | exactly | 12:40 |
| timeless_mbp | so, do you have bad ram? | 12:42 |
| oles | maby its corrupted image | 12:42 |
| oles | windows works fine | 12:43 |
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| Vortiago | http://imgur.com/w0wVk.jpg Note: It's the SDK, not the NetBook image. But guess I can start with testing out things on my main machine now, wich is nice | 12:43 |
| kkszysiu | really... whats application is used in meego to configure web accounts like twitter? | 12:44 |
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| vgrade1 | lucazade. kernel ones are, userspace ones not yet but this turned up http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2205 | 12:47 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, what are those two icons to the left of the main three at the top right in your virtualbox? | 12:47 |
| * timeless_mbp uses vbox on osx and hasn't used it on w7 | 12:47 | |
| vgrade1 | xorg-x11-drv-emgd | 12:47 |
| Vortiago | timeless_mbp, left one makes the window span over both screens while the right one makes the window pop over to the other screen | 12:48 |
| timeless_mbp | Vortiago: interesting, are they standard w7 features? or is this a vbox thing? | 12:49 |
| Vortiago | It's from UltraMon | 12:49 |
| lucazade | vgrade1 thanks for info | 12:49 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm pretty sure i hadn't seen them on a colleague's w7 laptop w/ second display | 12:49 |
| timeless_mbp | cool. thanks, sorry for the OT question | 12:49 |
| Vortiago | That's alright :) | 12:49 |
| * timeless_mbp is impressed that it looks "just right" in w7 | 12:50 | |
| * timeless_mbp is used to nokia apps which look terrible everywhere :) | 12:50 | |
| vgrade1 | lucazade, been in touch with the intel dev but he can't tell me where or when these will be available | 12:50 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/w7/map%20loader%20maps%20never%20used%20eh.png :) | 12:51 |
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| Trollkarlen | I cant get the repo at meego.com to work with zypper, anyone know it this is a general problem ? | 12:52 |
| lucazade | vgrade1: at least there is a hope for the gma500 chipset | 12:52 |
| timeless_mbp | Trollkarlen: i heard there were plans to switch away from zypper at least for a little while | 12:52 |
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| Vortiago | Anyone managed to log into last.fm from My Web Accounts in meego? Do you get some sort of feedback there if the login in successful? | 12:55 |
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| Trollkarlen | timeless_mbp: Oki, but the repo dont have to change or am i misstaken ? | 13:00 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't understand how the repos are working | 13:01 |
| timeless_mbp | and i'd be kinda surprised if your problem relates to the reasons they chose to switch away | 13:01 |
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| macron | Does anybody have the name of a good .rpm repository I could point my MeeGo box to? | 13:17 |
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| mahesh | hi. | 13:23 |
| mahesh | any body had idea of which version of chrome is used in the latest release of meego for netbook .i cant find the chrome code in the netbook source tree? | 13:24 |
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| slaine | macron: what's wrong with the ones that's there ? | 13:51 |
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| slaine | mahesh: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/repos/ia32/packages/i586/chromium-5.0.395.0-3.2.i586.rpm | 13:53 |
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| Trollkarlen | timeless: Do you know who to talk with about this ? | 13:59 |
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| slluis | hi, I'm trying to run the simulator but all I get is a black window. I'm getting some errors in the terminal, such as "(mutter:13210): mutter-CRITICAL **: Unable to initialize Clutter". Any hint? | 14:20 |
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| airmack | simulator? | 14:23 |
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| viru | hello everybody | 14:34 |
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| viru | I hava a question about wpa-enterprise | 14:35 |
| viru | is it possible configure it? | 14:35 |
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| cbosdonnat | slluis, do you mean KVM or something like that? | 14:47 |
| slluis | cbosdonnat: I'm trying this: http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux | 14:49 |
| Vortiago | And it stops at 'startmeego &'? | 14:50 |
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| cbosdonnat | slluis, hey, it's interesting me: I could make it work on KVM for testing and wasn't aware of that | 14:52 |
| slluis | Vortiago: all it does is show the Xephyr window with a black background | 14:53 |
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| Vortiago | Strange | 14:53 |
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| slluis | Vortiago: this is all output I get: http://pastebin.com/mGEDrxm8 | 14:56 |
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| Vortiago | Seems like a problem with opengl | 14:59 |
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| Vortiago | What distro are you using? | 15:01 |
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| slluis | OpenSuse 11.2 | 15:03 |
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| Yoshi47 | isn't it kinda funny that puppy linux easyilly supports the dell mini 12 and meego doesn't! | 15:13 |
| heffer | Yoshi47, did it give you a laugh? | 15:14 |
| Yoshi47 | heffer, yes | 15:14 |
| Yoshi47 | puppy rocks | 15:14 |
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| Myrtti | I fail to see teh funnay | 15:16 |
| lucazade | Yoshi47 new drivers are coming, matter of time | 15:16 |
| Yoshi47 | really? | 15:16 |
| lucazade | yes | 15:16 |
| Yoshi47 | sweet | 15:16 |
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| Yoshi47 | ready for 1.1 release or not? | 15:16 |
| lucazade | http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2205 | 15:16 |
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| CosmoHill | slaine: you know that C++ assignment I did | 15:17 |
| lucazade | should be ready for 1.1.. will see | 15:17 |
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| lucazade | intel said IVI support for this June | 15:18 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: cool | 15:18 |
| CosmoHill | slaine: someone's been caught cheating: http://www.project4hire.com/freelance_job_8598.html | 15:18 |
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| oles | can i get md5 checksum for the meego-netbook image on the site? | 15:18 |
| CosmoHill | oles: yes | 15:18 |
| CosmoHill | add .md5 to the end of the download file i think | 15:18 |
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| CosmoHill | oh no | 15:18 |
| CosmoHill | replace .img with .md5sum | 15:19 |
| Yoshi47 | lucazade, thanks for the update, thats what i was looking for! | 15:19 |
| lucazade | :) | 15:19 |
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| oles | there is no direct lint on the site | 15:22 |
| oles | link | 15:22 |
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| cbosdonnat | slluis, Vortiago I'm getting exactly the same log here too | 15:28 |
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| slaine | CosmoHill: that was your assignment ? | 15:30 |
| CosmoHill | yep | 15:30 |
| slaine | and kim1989 was on the course ? | 15:30 |
| CosmoHill | yep | 15:30 |
| slaine | tsk tsk | 15:30 |
| CosmoHill | it's a word for word copy of our assignment | 15:30 |
| CosmoHill | and the file at the bottom is the one we downloaded from uni | 15:30 |
| Vortiago | Hm, I also get that error in my log (About clutter), but the UI still starts up | 15:31 |
| CosmoHill | she got 30% | 15:31 |
| cbosdonnat | Vortiago, hum... | 15:31 |
| cbosdonnat | Vortiago, is there something worth checking for a clean bug report? | 15:31 |
| Vortiago | And I'm running it in Xubuntu, in a virtual machine... on windows :D | 15:31 |
| cbosdonnat | Vortiago, hehe :) | 15:31 |
| cbosdonnat | mmeeks, do you have any idea? | 15:32 |
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| CosmoHill | shame you can't use XZ with multiple cores | 15:45 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | XZ? | 15:45 |
| CosmoHill | replaced lmza | 15:45 |
| CosmoHill | it's a compression program | 15:46 |
| ShadowJK | I guess lzma doesn't multicore either? | 15:46 |
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| CosmoHill | don;t think so | 15:46 |
| CosmoHill | I'm using a 2.66Ghz i7 based xeon and it will take about 15 mins to compress something | 15:46 |
| ShadowJK | heh | 15:47 |
| ShadowJK | last time I used xz it took 19 hours :) | 15:47 |
| CosmoHill | I downloaded large files to my friend's server and then from there to mine | 15:47 |
| CosmoHill | so if anything goes wrong I can use rysnc | 15:47 |
| CosmoHill | at the moment I'm compressing the meego sdk so that it's smaller to download | 15:48 |
| CosmoHill | "| Multithreaded compression and decompression are not implemented yet, so this option has no effect for now. " damn | 15:50 |
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| * TSCHAKeee2 goes to look at the various project pages in meego.gitorious.org for git clone url's... | 15:52 | |
| CosmoHill | if after all of this compression it's the same size as the bzip2 file I downloaded I'll be annoyed | 15:54 |
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| andybleaden | Afternoon chaps or morning depending on where you are. Any of you had any joy running samba on meego yet.Tried it with moblin and got nowhere.Any help appreciated | 16:02 |
| spide | isn't it installed by default? | 16:03 |
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| spide | atleast I got my windows shares working without any troubles. | 16:03 |
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| andybleaden | hmm when I try to connect to mine I get an error message | 16:04 |
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| slaine | is it just me or does chromium keep locking up for other people ? | 16:05 |
| CosmoHill | slaine: more than 3 tabs open? | 16:05 |
| andybleaden | in file browser I click on network. I can see a windows network.click on that get a workgroup and then get Unable to mount location with a failed to retrive a share list | 16:05 |
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| andybleaden | @Slaine Chromium has been very crashy..wondered if it was the same in the non free chrome? | 16:06 |
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| andybleaden | spide Should I be trying to open with another programme | 16:07 |
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| spide | I works for me via file browser. | 16:08 |
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| andybleaden | spide hmm do yo think it is because they are ubuntu files on my ubuntu pc ie ext4 system | 16:11 |
| CosmoHill | samba shouldn't be affected by the file system | 16:11 |
| andybleaden | I had to install the samba suite ..not sure if I did it correctly either | 16:12 |
| CosmoHill | I'll see if i can install and mount a samba connection on meego CLI if you'd like | 16:13 |
| andybleaden | cheers mate | 16:13 |
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| CosmoHill | andybleaden: installed and mounted my server share | 16:23 |
| andybleaden | how did you do it? | 16:24 |
| CosmoHill | zypper install samba-client | 16:24 |
| CosmoHill | mount.cifs //server/share /mount/point | 16:24 |
| CosmoHill | both as root | 16:24 |
| andybleaden | ok thanks will give it a go | 16:25 |
| mmeeks | cbosdonnat: no idea - beyond the cpuinfo grief - you need a new CPU, and a VM that can cope with that I guess. | 16:26 |
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| cbosdonnat | mmeeks, even the chrooted SDK doesn't work... and it seems that there are some Clutter initialization problems | 16:27 |
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| andybleaden | CosmoHill: Hmm If my smb share is smb://andy-desktop/ is that right? | 16:33 |
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| tommitomato | spricht hier jemand deutsch? | 16:37 |
| tommitomato | i have a problem with ICQ integrating | 16:37 |
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| tommitomato | hello? | 16:39 |
| CosmoHill | hey | 16:40 |
| andybleaden | tommitomato: Yes there is a problem with both AIM and ICQ which is on the forums at meego.com | 16:40 |
| andybleaden | CosmoHill: Not getting this right mate | 16:40 |
| andybleaden | I have installed samba | 16:40 |
| andybleaden | I can see on the network a windows network and then a workgroup but can go no further | 16:41 |
| tommitomato | ok, is there a answer for ICQ? | 16:41 |
| andybleaden | tommitomato: not yet it seems.mine is not working | 16:41 |
| tommitomato | damn | 16:42 |
| tommitomato | thanks | 16:42 |
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| CosmoHill | andybleaden: if you know the ip and share on the server you can mount it from the command line | 16:43 |
| CosmoHill | it might not be what you wanted but it will allow you to connect to the mount | 16:44 |
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| centoslinux | are we able to boot the meego live image on a Core 2 Duo? | 16:44 |
| andybleaden | CosmoHill: This is where I am stuck.my share is on smb://andy-desktop is that what I insert ie mount.cifssmb://andy-desktop ? | 16:45 |
| centoslinux | i'm trying to boot the image with qemu, and i see the boot menu of choice, then i choose "Boot Meego", then nothing happens | 16:45 |
| CosmoHill | mount.cifs //andy-desktop/share | 16:47 |
| CosmoHill | the share might be Users | 16:47 |
| CosmoHill | I'm not sure | 16:47 |
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| CosmoHill | centoslinux: yes you can boot on a core 2 | 16:47 |
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| centoslinux | CosmoHill: buy unable to boot with qemu-kvm on Fedora12 64-bits | 16:49 |
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| andybleaden | CosmoHill: nope that comes back with mount.cifs//andy-desktop/share | 16:49 |
| andybleaden | CosmoHill: command not found | 16:49 |
| andybleaden | CosmoHill: with share as user | 16:50 |
| andybleaden | ie andy | 16:50 |
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| mmeeks | cbosdonnat: there is another idea that adding 'nomodeset' to the kernel parameters might help ;-) | 16:50 |
| * mmeeks has no idea. | 16:50 | |
| CosmoHill | andybleaden: you misses a space | 16:51 |
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| CosmoHill | mount.cifs SPACE //server/share | 16:52 |
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| andybleaden | nope it keeps coming back with the help creen | 16:53 |
| andybleaden | screen | 16:53 |
| andybleaden | this is really messin with my head | 16:54 |
| andybleaden | with ubuntu it just appears in the network folder of what ever shares I have in with which ever pc i use | 16:54 |
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| cbosdonnat | mmeeks, I'll try this idea as well | 16:54 |
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| rex | hi all! | 16:55 |
| andybleaden | click on and it appears. what I cannot understand at all is that the windows network is visible , the workgroup is visible but nothing inside it is | 16:56 |
| rex | I have a little problem with the meego simulator because when I start it (debug and no-debug mode) the only things that I see is a dark window | 16:56 |
| andybleaden | I have manually restart the smb client | 16:56 |
| rex | but if I start any application on the Xephyr display it shows up as espected | 16:57 |
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| rex | but I can't see the meego interface | 16:57 |
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| CosmoHill | crap | 17:00 |
| CosmoHill | I typed "rm" instead of "vim" | 17:00 |
| thresh | haha | 17:01 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | been there | 17:02 |
| CosmoHill | thankfully I have a backup of that file | 17:02 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | CosmoHill: apt-get install sl | 17:02 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :P | 17:02 |
| Jartza | I was giving a maemo-Qt course today and something went wrong in scratchbox-installation | 17:02 |
| Jartza | I was a bit sleepy and without thinking I typed rm -rm /scratchbox | 17:02 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ow | 17:02 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ow ow ow | 17:02 |
| Tm_T | one of those days... | 17:03 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | it still irks me that scratchbox does some _REALLY_ nasty filesystem tricks | 17:03 |
| Jartza | and about 2 seconds after pressing enter I woke up and first thought was about "FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU...." | 17:03 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | that was heard all the way to Pluto... | 17:03 |
| Jartza | yeah | 17:03 |
| Jartza | luckily we have pxeboot with nice reinstall-scripts in the classroom | 17:04 |
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| Jartza | so I told people "OK, coffee break" and started reinstall :) | 17:04 |
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| Jartza | anyhow, I don't know what was I thinking :) | 17:05 |
| CosmoHill | one time I was working on two debain servers via ssh | 17:05 |
| CosmoHill | I was upgrading both the kernels with custom ones | 17:05 |
| slaine | I clearly am dumb and can't use the wiki | 17:05 |
| CosmoHill | so I removed the kernels from both | 17:05 |
| slaine | Whats the link for creating an image via MIC ? | 17:05 |
| CosmoHill | installed the new custom kernel on one to see if it would work | 17:05 |
| CosmoHill | then rebooted the wrong server | 17:06 |
| Jartza | hehe | 17:06 |
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| Jartza | luckily my server has been working fine | 17:06 |
| Jartza | it's in a deep cave with hard-to-get physical access | 17:07 |
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| CosmoHill | I used a ubuntu livecd and copied the kernel and init from the livecd to the server | 17:08 |
| CosmoHill | rebooted my debain server with the ubuntu kernel | 17:09 |
| CosmoHill | and installed the update i had made | 17:09 |
| * Jartza crosses fingers | 17:10 | |
| Jartza | 17:10:13 up 654 days, 18:55, 14 users, load average: 0.02, 0.04, 0.05 | 17:10 |
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| centoslinux | anyone booted meego image with qemu? | 17:12 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: got that wiki url for building images with mic ? | 17:12 |
| slaine | found it | 17:13 |
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| slaine | http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation | 17:13 |
| CosmoHill | http://pastebin.cross-lfs.org/6916 | 17:14 |
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| CosmoHill | Jartza: ooo congrats | 17:15 |
| CosmoHill | my personal best is 376 days | 17:15 |
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| Jartza | well, I'm just hoping and wishing this machine still goes on for some time, as getting physically to machine is quite challenging atm :) | 17:17 |
| andybleaden | Any body else struggling with ubuntu samba sharing.. really not working this | 17:17 |
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| CosmoHill | well I have no clue so someone can have a look at that pastebin and get back to me | 17:23 |
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| andybleaden | CosmoHill: cheer for the help mate.really struggling though as I understand little about mount shares.always happened automatically for me | 17:24 |
| CosmoHill | I can't mount my mac laptop from redhat | 17:25 |
| CosmoHill | but I can mount my linux server | 17:25 |
| andybleaden | hmm a little weird.has anybody else got there ubuntu shares mounted here? | 17:26 |
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| CosmoHill | this looks very interested: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/427 | 17:34 |
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| gour | CosmoHill: how will then intel make money with meego? | 17:42 |
| pupnik | sell netbooks without MS tax | 17:42 |
| CosmoHill | by having vendors sell intel based netbooks | 17:43 |
| CosmoHill | I looked at DEll | 17:43 |
| CosmoHill | two identical laptops cost the same even tho one was running ubuntu | 17:43 |
| gour | i'm looking at dell as well | 17:43 |
| gour | here all come pre-installed with m$ crap | 17:44 |
| CosmoHill | i think if you boot the laptop then don't accept the MS terms and conditions | 17:45 |
| CosmoHill | you can get your money refunded for the windows OS | 17:45 |
| gour | CosmoHill: that would be nice, although i'm not sure who will refund money here | 17:47 |
| CosmoHill | dell | 17:47 |
| CosmoHill | i think | 17:47 |
| gour | i may ask prior to buying | 17:47 |
| CosmoHill | i have windows 7 pro for free so I'm okay :) | 17:47 |
| gour | i've never touched neither vista nor 7 | 17:48 |
| andybleaden | the dell thing was a little weird I got a dell desktop with ubuntu preinstalled | 17:51 |
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| andybleaden | was going to get a netbook but in the uk the netbook was still coming with ubuntu 8.04...mind you I could/would have wiped it and put on moblin | 17:51 |
| CosmoHill | an you're from england | 17:52 |
| CosmoHill | what part? | 17:52 |
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| andybleaden | yes I live near glossop in the north west in the peak district | 17:54 |
| andybleaden | You? | 17:54 |
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| CosmoHill | Essex | 17:54 |
| CosmoHill | east of london | 17:54 |
| andybleaden | I come from bristol though | 17:54 |
| CosmoHill | ooo | 17:54 |
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| andybleaden | o ar you mean :) | 17:54 |
| andybleaden | so you running meego now as your main netbook system or are you a developer | 17:55 |
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| CosmoHill | none of the above? | 17:56 |
| andybleaden | you got one of them fancy dancy other devices then? | 17:57 |
| andybleaden | with meego on | 17:57 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 17:57 |
| CosmoHill | I'm used to command line linux | 17:58 |
| andybleaden | I was determined to give it a go as I really like moblin and get fidgety with distros | 17:58 |
| andybleaden | ah | 17:58 |
| andybleaden | helpful then | 17:58 |
| CosmoHill | so I'd like to learn more about GUIS and stuff | 17:58 |
| andybleaden | I am okish with after 4+ years experience of being windows free | 17:58 |
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| andybleaden | but struggle with harder things | 17:58 |
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| andybleaden | hmm what stops you using it as a system then? | 17:59 |
| CosmoHill | nvidia | 17:59 |
| andybleaden | ah | 17:59 |
| andybleaden | graphic card issues | 17:59 |
| andybleaden | ? | 17:59 |
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| CosmoHill | very much so | 17:59 |
| andybleaden | I had that with Kubuntu but get around it ...have ati radeon which when I tinkered went blank! :) | 18:00 |
| andybleaden | so I have a desktop (dell as above ) with ATI graphics running free drivers ...they are ok...not fancy but I do not do games really | 18:01 |
| andybleaden | and a netbook which changes ...erm weekly at the mo! to build up my skills | 18:01 |
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| CosmoHill | my ever day computer is a 2005 powerbook with os x 10.4 | 18:01 |
| andybleaden | hence trying moblin after kubuntu then ubuntu netbook then moblin etc etc interchanged for weeks | 18:02 |
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| andybleaden | have not used macs since ...lc macs | 18:02 |
| andybleaden | about 10+ years | 18:02 |
| andybleaden | it is because of them I got tired quickly of windows | 18:03 |
| CosmoHill | I have windows on my desktop and other laptop | 18:03 |
| CosmoHill | they're pretty much used for work | 18:03 |
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| andybleaden | did the usual ..get rid of IE with firefox, then thunderbird, then open office then ...got rid of windows and used Ubuntu with a friend helping then went on my own..not looked back...except when they crash :) and they did but My older ubuntu pc had a hardware prob so had to borrow a windows pc..could not use it for much at all so bought a new ubuntu pc | 18:05 |
| andybleaden | have to use windows at work..except when I can run ubuntu/moblin etc from a pen drive or cd | 18:05 |
| andybleaden | still faster | 18:05 |
| CosmoHill | I have linux on my server (LFS) and a windows 2008 server that I use for MSSQL2008 | 18:06 |
| andybleaden | so now I get a few snags ..less so and with meego even fewer than before...save this damn file share samba thing...really naffs me off | 18:07 |
| andybleaden | well since I got a spare old work laptop I wanted to use the desktop as a type of server I guess with all the music etc on and dip in and out with the netbook/laptop | 18:08 |
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| CosmoHill | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODMxNw | 18:13 |
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| slaine | CosmoHill: quiet why people equate MeeGo/Moblin2 with support for GMA500 is beyond me, when it's clearly stated to not be supported | 18:28 |
| slaine | the situation is pharisaical though. | 18:28 |
| slaine | anyway, catch you all tomorrow | 18:28 |
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| zaheerm | the problem re: gma500 is intel's name is on it | 18:30 |
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| CosmoHill | it was outsourced to another company i think | 18:31 |
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| X-Fade | http://www.advogato.org/person/mjg59/diary.html?start=250 | 18:32 |
| CosmoHill | hey X-Fade | 18:32 |
| X-Fade | Hi | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: it's IEGD, or, its new name emgd | 18:33 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Or 2 other variants it seems ;) | 18:33 |
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| Stskeeps | one is mrst stuff i think, one is poulsbo | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | meego kernel has a total of 3 SGX drivers, i believe ;) | 18:34 |
| X-Fade | Isn't that great.. | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | <3 powervr | 18:35 |
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| pupnik | very funny: from openpandora forums "The Device Customer" http://www.fullsack.com/images/rocky0B.jpg | 18:36 |
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| kkszysiu | Hello. Anyone know nick of Ross Burton on IRC? i need to talk with him. Sencond one question is anyone know what app is used on meego to configure for example twitter accounts? | 18:40 |
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| b-man|laptop | note to self: always bind mount /dev while working with meego in a chroot environment - meego's /dev/stdin, /dev/stderr, and /dev/stdout won't work because they are broken symlinks in a chroot env | 18:44 |
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| CosmoHill | hey arjan | 18:45 |
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| thiago | DawnFoster: ping | 18:48 |
| DawnFoster | ping | 18:48 |
| thiago | no, you respond with "pong" :-) | 18:48 |
| b-man|laptop | lol | 18:48 |
| DawnFoster | or pingback :) | 18:48 |
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| thiago | pingbacks are too advanced for me | 18:48 |
| thiago | anyway, now there's a post in the meego category in the labs blogs | 18:48 |
| thiago | do you have the feed URL? | 18:49 |
| nedrichards | kkszysiu: for the second, it's called bisho and plugs into control centre http://git.moblin.org/cgit.cgi/bisho/ | 18:49 |
| DawnFoster | yes, let me add it. | 18:49 |
| nedrichards | kkszysiu: for the first, I think he's on holiday | 18:49 |
| pippin | kkszysiu: and he often hides behind the hard to recall alias "ross" | 18:50 |
| DawnFoster | Thiago: done - added :) | 18:50 |
| thiago | thanks | 18:51 |
| thiago | the blog is in now 4 different planets | 18:52 |
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| rex | http://pastebin.com/ddfbGXCx | 18:57 |
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| rex | someone could tell me why the simulator won't work into the chroot? | 18:57 |
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| CosmoHill | rex: http://pastebin.cross-lfs.org/6916 | 19:09 |
| CosmoHill | looks identical to mine | 19:09 |
| CosmoHill | what graphics card do you have? | 19:09 |
| rex | CosmoHill: maybe I find an answer on the mailing list | 19:10 |
| pronto | intersting, meego isnt going to use ext3/4 o= | 19:10 |
| rex | I'm trying to run the simulator on a core 2 duo and nvidia card so running the simulator on Xephyr isn't supported | 19:10 |
| CosmoHill | it would be nice if it supported ext4 just so we can access other partitions | 19:10 |
| CosmoHill | rex: same | 19:10 |
| CosmoHill | I end up with a black box on my screen] | 19:11 |
| rex | CosmoHill: so the only solution is run the simulator, start qtcreator on it and then deploy the app on a real meego device | 19:11 |
| rex | if you have one of course | 19:11 |
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| CosmoHill | do you have access to something with SSSE3 (Core2) with an ATI graphics card? | 19:11 |
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| rex | no, only nvidia | 19:12 |
| CosmoHill | I read on the forum that someone had it working on ati | 19:12 |
| CosmoHill | rex: what driver do you have? | 19:12 |
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| CosmoHill | nouveau or nvidia? | 19:12 |
| rex | nvidia | 19:12 |
| CosmoHill | same | 19:13 |
| CosmoHill | I installed it last night | 19:13 |
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| th0br0 | huh CosmoHill? the simulator fails with nvidia? why's that? | 19:31 |
| CosmoHill | no idea | 19:31 |
| CosmoHill | something about clutter not being able to start | 19:31 |
| th0br0 | funny | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | copy in nvidia libgl and dependencies? | 19:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for the german users here: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Suse-MeeGo-Novell-arbeitet-an-neuem-Linux-fuer-Netbooks-1013602.html | 20:11 |
| Quu | hammerzeit | 20:11 |
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| oles | how can i make bootable usb from .imf file under linux? dd if=image.img of=/dev/sdX ? | 20:22 |
| microlith | oles: yes, or you can use the image writer script | 20:23 |
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| oles | i have this error when i boot it after grub https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SquashfsErrors | 20:25 |
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| oles | i tryed different usb ports and usb stics and just tested my ram - its ok | 20:25 |
| oles | on my eee 1005 pe | 20:26 |
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| CosmoHill | anyone seen a film called ""? | 20:45 |
| CosmoHill | *The Sky Crawlers | 20:45 |
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| Quu | i have seen film called " " | 20:46 |
| Quu | :p | 20:46 |
| microlith | CoderForLife: aware of it, not seen it | 20:46 |
| microlith | err | 20:46 |
| microlith | CosmoHill | 20:46 |
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| oles | how can i fix this error? | 20:49 |
| oles | plz help | 20:50 |
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| Trollkarlen | CosmoHill: Is there any plans to impl it to use multicore. | 20:58 |
| CosmoHill | I wouldn't know the answer to that | 20:59 |
| Trollkarlen | CosmoHill: I was talking about XZ Utils if that was unclear. | 20:59 |
| CosmoHill | oh | 20:59 |
| CosmoHill | I thinkt here are plans to because there are flags in place to enable mulitple core / threads | 20:59 |
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| Trollkarlen | I just found a forum post that it was prio 1 after the 5.0 rel | 21:02 |
| Trollkarlen | So it sound like its comming. | 21:03 |
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| w00t_ | DawnFoster: wearing flameproof underwear I hope..? | 21:42 |
| w00t_ | :) | 21:42 |
| DawnFoster | woot_ Assume you're referring to my latest meego-dev post about forums vs. mailing lists? | 21:43 |
| w00t_ | 0yup | 21:43 |
| w00t_ | -0 | 21:43 |
| DawnFoster | It's a religious war definitely. | 21:43 |
| w00t_ | well, i hope i stayed nicely moderate at least :P | 21:44 |
| DawnFoster | I appreciate it. | 21:44 |
| DawnFoster | definitely agree that we need to pick one, and I don't think that forums have been very effective for the community discussions. | 21:45 |
| DawnFoster | it feels like we don't have all of the right people parrticipating | 21:45 |
| w00t_ | i really got confused there for a while.. i don't know how, i just didn't know the move had happened, so i certainly missed out on a lot of discussion | 21:45 |
| * CosmoHill reads what w00t_ said and blinks | 21:45 | |
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| DawnFoster | I think that's happened with a lot of people, and the forums have been hard for a lot of people to keep up with | 21:47 |
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| DawnFoster | even when they know about the change | 21:47 |
| w00t_ | yeah, I must admit, I kind of agree in that I'm not so sure how well they scale as the number of discussions increase | 21:48 |
| w00t_ | I don't mind them, but I do find it harder to filter the noise out from the things that interest me on a forum | 21:48 |
| DawnFoster | our forums are a little better for Q&A, but I like mailing lists better for discussions | 21:48 |
| w00t_ | yup | 21:49 |
| DawnFoster | and the community stuff is mostly discussion | 21:49 |
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| w00t_ | it's certainly a good idea to bring it up IMO, wait and see what the rest of the responses look like | 21:49 |
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| tmzt | DawnFoster: don't projects either overcommunity or undercommunity generally? | 22:22 |
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| DawnFoster | tmzt: I don't really understand your question | 22:23 |
| tmzt | looking at something like xda-developers.com is very organic, then you have things like codeaurora.org that don't enable the kind of community building they claim to | 22:23 |
| tmzt | in the sense of forums vs. mailing lists | 22:23 |
| tmzt | they attract different elements of the community | 22:23 |
| DawnFoster | right now, the developers really prefer the mailing lists and don't want to participate in forums | 22:24 |
| DawnFoster | users generally don't quite grok mailing lists | 22:24 |
| DawnFoster | so the user / developer split makes sense to me | 22:24 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | yup, as devs typically can't stand users, and users don't understand devs... | 22:25 |
| tmzt | right, but if you look at xda there's some development on there | 22:25 |
| DawnFoster | community office discussions are somewhere in between - so always a gray area | 22:25 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | damn, did I say that out loud? | 22:25 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ;) | 22:25 |
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| tmzt | there's also community forums around Nokia tablets aren't there, not sponsored by maemo or nokia? | 22:25 |
| DawnFoster | TSCHAKeee2: brutal, but so true :) | 22:25 |
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| DawnFoster | tmzt: there are always unofficial forums, but we're talking mostly about the official project channels, too | 22:27 |
| tmzt | right, that's what I mean by 'overcommunity' | 22:27 |
| tmzt | one preformed, prefab, add water type thing | 22:27 |
| tmzt | that never gets the organic inhabitants it requires to function | 22:27 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | communities have to be grown...therein lies the rub | 22:28 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | because there are so many odds against communities growing in the first place... | 22:28 |
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| Aranel | I forgot that today was the meeting day, so, here's a quick question: How can I participate in MeeGo (at least, the handheld version) translations on my language -Turkish- ? | 22:29 |
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| Aranel | I can't find *.po files on transifex btw :/ | 22:29 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | LinuxMCE has a very difficult problem. In order to participate in any LinuxMCE code development, you HAVE to be a polymath. | 22:30 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | it requires a person with multiple intersecting skill sets..not usually found in the wild. | 22:30 |
| DawnFoster | Aranel: are you on the localization mailing list | 22:30 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | so our community, is small, in spite of our huge code base...which really needs the help. | 22:30 |
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| Aranel | DawnFoster: yes, but I don't follow it frequently | 22:31 |
| DawnFoster | that's the best place for translation questions | 22:32 |
| DawnFoster | they are in the process of transitioning to Transifex, but I don't think everything has been moved there yet | 22:32 |
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| DawnFoster | so Turkish translations might have been started, but not moved to Transifex | 22:33 |
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| Aranel | DawnFoster: there's no translation file available on transifex right now in fact. Moving from where? | 22:33 |
| DawnFoster | I'm just not sure either way | 22:33 |
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| Vortiago | Aranel, the 'old' location is: http://translate.moblin.org/ | 22:33 |
| Aranel | thanks Vortiago and DawnFoster :) | 22:34 |
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| CosmoHill | ha! | 22:39 |
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