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| wolfalohalani | aloha | 01:10 |
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| wolfalohalani | anybody get around the problems with yum? | 01:10 |
| wolfalohalani | hah - any human people here at all right now? | 01:11 |
| jausmus | mostly human... | 01:11 |
| jausmus | what yum problem are you referring to? (still catching up on all my 3-day weekend e-mail) | 01:12 |
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| wolfalohalani | tries to see the adobe repository, has a problem, fails | 01:12 |
| wolfalohalani | so, took the repo file out, ran again - couldn't find meego-core, failed | 01:13 |
| wolfalohalani | grumble.... | 01:13 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:58 |
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| kkszysiu | hello | 05:29 |
| kkszysiu | whats application is used as client for libsocialweb? | 05:29 |
| arjan | the myzone for example | 05:29 |
| arjan | will list your twitters | 05:29 |
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| kkszysiu | hmm | 05:38 |
| kkszysiu | sources of that are nit publically available? | 05:38 |
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| arjan | kkszysiu: they are | 05:58 |
| arjan | yum-downloader --source moblin-panel-myzone | 05:58 |
| arjan | or is it meego-panel-myzone now | 05:58 |
| * arjan forgot | 05:58 | |
| pxchen | use mx? | 06:02 |
| pxchen | arjan, which yum repo? | 06:07 |
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| Quu | my fecesbook chat is not working on meego "people" thing | 09:19 |
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| FunkyPenguin | is zypper available for use in 1.0? i notice the source is available in repo.m.o | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | hm, should be | 09:33 |
| FunkyPenguin | ok, now to find a spare machine to install properly on to really test it | 09:33 |
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| FunkyPenguin | is there a doc/guide on what packages have changed since moblin 2.1? | 09:35 |
| FunkyPenguin | i need to update/build MeeGo for openSUSE | 09:35 |
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| Stskeeps | not sure, but i think it's safe to assume a lot of things have been turned upside down | 09:37 |
| Quu | what are those core.number files in ~/ | 09:42 |
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| koupsaa | morning | 10:41 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 10:54 |
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| sivang | Morninga lll. | 11:42 |
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| slaine | That meego tablet stuff looks good | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully a new UX thing i guess | 11:51 |
| slaine | They all have UX teams I gather | 11:51 |
| slaine | that would also I assume be using upto date iegd | 11:52 |
| poutsi | I'd buy it if it was in the shops today & I was looking for a netbook or similar | 11:52 |
| poutsi | but it's gonna look pretty dated pretty soon | 11:52 |
| slaine | poutsi: it's pre-alpha | 11:52 |
| poutsi | that's just the thing | 11:52 |
| slaine | I'm sure there's plenty of scope for change | 11:52 |
| poutsi | well that too, yeah | 11:52 |
| Tm_T | moin | 11:53 |
| thiago | you can't expect to see the same UX | 11:53 |
| thiago | they are very different devices | 11:53 |
| thiago | slate is touch-only, netbooks have touchpads and keyboards | 11:54 |
| thiago | and they have USB ports or bluetooth to talk to mice | 11:54 |
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| thiago | some handsets will be touch-only, others will have keyboards | 11:54 |
| thiago | TVs won't have touch or keyboard | 11:54 |
| poutsi | my point was exactly that for something that you can't buy today but have to wait for, i'd've hoped for something a bit wilder | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | i guess tv's mostly 'focus' and shortcuts | 11:55 |
| thiago | it isn't wild enough for you? | 11:56 |
| poutsi | well.. | 11:56 |
| thiago | what did you expect? 3D holograms? | 11:56 |
| poutsi | well why not | 11:56 |
| sivang | hey thiago , Stskeeps | 11:56 |
| poutsi | well obviously not that | 11:56 |
| thiago | hey sivang | 11:56 |
| poutsi | but still | 11:56 |
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| poutsi | 3D UI, that's not so far-fetched | 11:56 |
| thiago | I'd say I'm properly impressed by the work | 11:56 |
| thiago | not that I don't trust our technology, but it's always nice to see it put to good use | 11:57 |
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| thiago | as for 3D UI, we have research projects going on. I currently have no idea what designers will use 3D for, but there will be 3D sometime soon. | 11:57 |
| poutsi | yeah, me too, definitely, I'm not talking down to anyone here | 11:57 |
| thiago | see the qt-3d project | 11:57 |
| poutsi | yep, I've played with it :) | 11:57 |
| thiago | including the QML integration? | 11:57 |
| poutsi | they have that already? | 11:58 |
| poutsi | I talked to some qt guy a month ago and that seemed pretty far-off then | 11:58 |
| poutsi | forget who it was | 11:58 |
| poutsi | but if you have pointers, please do tell :) | 11:59 |
| poutsi | look at that, there's a bunch of stuff and i missed all of it | 12:03 |
| poutsi | totally got the wrong impression then it seems | 12:03 |
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| ayanes | HI there | 12:09 |
| ayanes | somebody knows why download.meego.com is too slow ? | 12:10 |
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| gour1 | orning | 12:15 |
| gour1 | *morning | 12:15 |
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| jarkko^ | i've been playing with qt scenegraph for a while now ("2.5D" built on top of qt3d) | 12:16 |
| gour1 | i'm following http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox and now i've the problem with init scripts: "log_action_begin_msg command not found" where could i find 'em? | 12:16 |
| jarkko^ | seems quite nice and done in a more correct way from gpu utilization perspective than current qgv + qpainter | 12:17 |
| gour1 | based on google results it should be already resolved in dkms... | 12:18 |
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| sivang | gour: this is a bash script used to create log entries, AFAIR | 12:57 |
| sivang | gour: odd that its' missing though, if the distro is running wihtout VBox | 12:58 |
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| sivang | gour: I wonder what could make it miss | 12:58 |
| gour | sivang: me too... all the other steps went ok | 12:59 |
| gour | i've put my notes at http://wiki.meego.com/Talk:MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox | 12:59 |
| gour | however, it is (still) not clear from the wiki page whether the procedure is meant to have working meego ui under vm | 13:01 |
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| sx0n | gour, define working.. | 13:03 |
| gour | sx0n: that one can try meego as end-user | 13:03 |
| sx0n | no | 13:03 |
| gour | sx0n: why no meego dev say it explicitly? | 13:04 |
| sx0n | meego requires opengl and that is not supported in vm | 13:04 |
| gour | vbox/qemu thread on the forums has >7000 vies and, as tr00don member wrote: "It is interesting to note that, while the Meego project is largely managed by Intel, no Intel Meego developer has stepped forward to discuss and clarify these issues.", it's quite disappointing attitude | 13:05 |
| poutsi | jarkko^, not to mention hopefully abstracting OpenGL away from the app dev | 13:06 |
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| gour | sx0n: vbox has support for opengl and moblin was working under vm | 13:10 |
| gour | sx0n: changelog for 3.2 says: "3D support: added OpenGL 2.1 support " | 13:11 |
| sx0n | gour, yes, i know, but i think that is only wishful thinking that it would work for "end-user" as it is working on hw. | 13:11 |
| gour | sx0n: isn't it stupid that i cannot develop with i7/8GB machinem but it's expected to use 1024x600/1G netbook? | 13:12 |
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| gour | sx0n: it's quite limiting and many users are pissed...even thinking about geemo fork | 13:13 |
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| sx0n | gour, until i see screenshot it does not exist for end-user ;) | 13:13 |
| Khertan | sx0n, screenshot of meego ? | 13:14 |
| Khertan | sx0n, i can send some if you want :) | 13:14 |
| Khertan | i ve a | 13:14 |
| Khertan | meego netbook running on a samsung n130 :) | 13:14 |
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| gour | even if having netbok capable to run meego, i'd develop using desktop machine... | 13:15 |
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| sx0n | Khertan, i meant on a virtual box | 13:20 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:20 |
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| Vortiago | sx0n, what kind of SS would you wan't? OpenGL software running in VM? | 13:54 |
| sx0n | meego notebook ux running in vm | 13:57 |
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| sx0n | vbox preferably | 13:58 |
| Vortiago | ah | 13:58 |
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| jarkko^ | poutsi: true and it seems that qt3d based implementation would also make it easy to mix-in raw opengl if wanted | 14:02 |
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| fosco_ | hi | 14:15 |
| fosco_ | i'm new to meego, how do i switch off or logout? | 14:15 |
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| gour1 | fosco_: iirc (i do not own meego-capable device), you can only press power-off on your machine and then you'll see dialog popping up | 14:16 |
| fosco_ | ok, i come fromubuntu and expected some kind of menu :) | 14:18 |
| gour1 | heh, not without a reason ;) | 14:19 |
| gour1 | does it work? | 14:19 |
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| poutsi | it did on my laptop at least | 14:20 |
| fosco_ | yep, but liveUSB does not save my preferences | 14:20 |
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| fosco_ | ummm... | 14:21 |
| fosco_ | maybe i need a hard disk install | 14:22 |
| gour1 | my only option for meego atm is VM (vbox), but it does not deliver much... | 14:23 |
| Vortiago | gour1, install a working *unix system in the VM and then install the SDK in there, maybe that would work | 14:23 |
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| gour | Vortiago: i already have working linux system (x86_64)...what would be different under VM? | 14:24 |
| Vortiago | Dunno, why can't you use the SDK? | 14:25 |
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| gour | Vortiago: no intel graphic card | 14:27 |
| Vortiago | ah | 14:27 |
| Vortiago | no wait | 14:27 |
| Vortiago | I got the SDK running on a linux box that got an ATI card and a CPU without SSSE3 | 14:28 |
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| FunkyPenguin | is the only place to get tarballs the srpms on repo.m.c? | 14:29 |
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| troozers | hi all, quick question.. is the full MeeGo (eg including graphical desktop) available for N900? | 14:39 |
| Tm_T | not yet | 14:39 |
| troozers | cheers for that.. any update as to when they expect this? | 14:40 |
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| zaheerm | troozers, june is when the first handset ux release is due to happen, but it is unlikely to be very usable or close to complete | 14:41 |
| troozers | no prob, many thanks for the heads up :) | 14:42 |
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| gour | Vortiago: but you cannot run opengl apps? | 15:16 |
| Vortiago | gour, the SDK works with UI and everything on my linux box. | 15:19 |
| Vortiago | If that's what you're wondering | 15:19 |
| Vortiago | And that was with a ATI gfx card and a intel T2050 that doesn't have ssse3 | 15:19 |
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| gour | hmm...i realy curious how you did it | 15:19 |
| Vortiago | http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux <-- Followed that :P | 15:20 |
| gour | Vortiago: here it is clearly stated - http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux#Pre-requisites | 15:21 |
| Vortiago | yup | 15:21 |
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| Stskeeps | lo sjgadsby | 15:21 |
| sjgadsby | Hi, Stskeeps. | 15:21 |
| gour | Vortiago: strange...i may try it, although i already spent too much time in futile VM attempts | 15:22 |
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| odin_ | arjan, ping ? | 15:24 |
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| w00t_ | lo, sjgadsby | 15:27 |
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| Vortiago | Should the prereqs listed here: http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux#Pre-requisites be updated since they're not correct? Proof: http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/1176/40337831.png | 15:33 |
| w00t_ | have you documented how you got that working? iirc there's a lot of people that would probably find that useful | 15:34 |
| w00t_ | but yes, if it's wrong, correct it.. it's a wiki, after all | 15:34 |
| Vortiago | w00t_, all I did was using the guideline in the wiki | 15:34 |
| Vortiago | Didn't do anything else >-< | 15:34 |
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| sjgadsby | Hi, w00t_. | 15:37 |
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| gour | it's strange that the basic document is wrong... | 15:43 |
| w00t_ | people are human.. :P | 15:43 |
| gour | that's true, but it is one of the most important doc | 15:44 |
| gour | if meego devs do not know what are reqs... | 15:45 |
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| GkNs | hello, i was wondering is there a help section here for installing meego? or is it the normal help channel | 16:02 |
| jusliukk | GkNs, have you checked http://help.meego.com/ | 16:03 |
| GkNs | yeah but i is more about the program i that is adviced for creating bootable USB, Disk imager | 16:04 |
| GkNs | it is * | 16:05 |
| jusliukk | ok… that is not so familiar to me either, don't know if there is existing help somewhere | 16:05 |
| GkNs | The problem i'm having is that the program keeps giving me a error 8 | 16:05 |
| jusliukk | that's informative :) | 16:05 |
| GkNs | please wait i'll qout what it says | 16:06 |
| GkNs | "an error occured when attempting to get a handle on the file" error 8 | 16:07 |
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| GkNs | so i'm wondering is this because of the .img i got from meego or is it the program | 16:08 |
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| jusliukk | GkNs, is this on linux? or are you using the win32-image-writer? | 16:09 |
| GkNs | win32 (sorry, i should have said i'm a windows user) | 16:09 |
| jusliukk | ok, search for "error 8" in http://moblin.org/documentation/test-drive-moblin/using-moblin-live-image | 16:10 |
| jusliukk | that's all i know of the windows version, sorry :) | 16:10 |
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| GkNs | thanks for the site but i cannot find anything on there, anyone else know a great program for creating bootable usb using image files? | 16:15 |
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| jusliukk | GkNs, in the site there is a response: "I've got the same error message. | 16:18 |
| jusliukk | Then I found that the file explorer is focusing on the usb drive. | 16:18 |
| jusliukk | After I close the file explorer and try again, | 16:18 |
| jusliukk | it work fine and write the image to the usb drive." | 16:18 |
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| jusliukk | I haven't used windowses in years so i have no clue what that means, but at least that's what they say :) | 16:19 |
| DawnFoster | GkNs: If you don't get it figured out, can you post something in the forum? http://forum.meego.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6 | 16:19 |
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| GkNs | i think i have to close all windows exxept for the disk imager thanks.. | 16:21 |
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| GkNs | i friend of mine gave me an other version of Disk Imager problem solved | 16:29 |
| GkNs | Thanks for your help. | 16:29 |
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| * gour installed sdk to check whether it works | 17:03 | |
| sivu | does it? | 17:04 |
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| gour | yes it DOES!!! | 17:06 |
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| gour | incredible | 17:06 |
| slaine | OMG | 17:06 |
| arjan | wow | 17:06 |
| arjan | software that works | 17:06 |
| arjan | what a concept | 17:06 |
| slaine | Ponies and all | 17:06 |
| gour | such a blunder to state one needs intel graphic | 17:07 |
| sivang | gour: VBox ? | 17:07 |
| * gour *blushes* for meego devs puttint startup doc together | 17:07 | |
| gour | sivang: no, sdk | 17:07 |
| arjan | gour: btw you did try chmod a+s /usr/bin/Xorg right? | 17:08 |
| gour | Vortiago: you're right ;) | 17:08 |
| arjan | without intel graphics, X needs to run as root | 17:08 |
| odin_ | arjan, are you a maintainer of kernel-source.git ? are you working on a new kernel policy ? I have some feedback/ideas to see if they concur with any future approach, also can you tag up the kernel-source.git with each meego RPM release | 17:08 |
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| arjan | tagging is interesting | 17:08 |
| arjan | but yeah I'm currently the kernel maintainer | 17:08 |
| gour | arjan: no, i didn't try...running sdk via sudo, but why is starting guide so misleading? | 17:09 |
| arjan | gour: no idea, I have not paid (enough) attention to the sdk | 17:09 |
| arjan | odin_: the hard part is with OBS; it can rebuild a kernel for other reasons than a kernel package change (say a new compiler) | 17:09 |
| arjan | odin_: getting such builds tagged is... an interesting chalenge | 17:09 |
| Vortiago | Nice gour :) | 17:10 |
| gour | arjan: it clearly says: A compatible Intel graphics chipset: GMA-500, Nvidia, and ATI chipsets are not supported | 17:10 |
| odin_ | arjan, you need to seperate "logical releases (product releases driven by sales marketing)" from version number changes, they are different kind of releases, a compiler change is a work-in-progress towards the next "product release" | 17:10 |
| arjan | gour: for the OS that is a correct statement | 17:11 |
| arjan | odin_: agreed that tagging what is shipped is an easier, manual process | 17:11 |
| arjan | but I'd really want each build tagged | 17:11 |
| gour | arjan: it's stated in http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux#Pre-requisites | 17:11 |
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| arjan | gour: it looks like a cut-n-paste from the OS requirements | 17:12 |
| gour | arjan: this is irresponsible...one would expect some more QA here | 17:13 |
| * w00t_ sighs | 17:13 | |
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| odin_ | arjan, I wouldn't have an opinion on it (a polite way of saying "I don't care" for that), as the "source" of the project itself has not changed ? only a dependency used to build it has, so it would be a -2 or -3 revision of the same major tag | 17:13 |
| odin_ | so for example version v1.10.95 is out, then there is a compiler change, the RPM becomes v1.10.95-2 or something like that but its still based on git tag v1.10.95 | 17:14 |
| w00t_ | arjan: removed gfx from the SDK requirements, thanks for confirming | 17:15 |
| slaine | Does QtCreator work properly on 1024x600 now ? | 17:15 |
| gour | arjan: i run sdk with 4755 on Xorg, not a+s | 17:15 |
| w00t_ | slaine: #qt-creator might be the people to talk to | 17:16 |
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| odin_ | to show an example is this in action, take Fedora12 and its kernel, "kernel-2.6.32.11-99.fc12.x86_64" it has -99 and this often goes up, that maybe because of source code changes, or maybe because of compiler/dependency changes, everytime it goes to build server for release (not testing) that number get bumped | 17:19 |
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| arjan | odin_: yup that's called "release" in rpm terms | 17:24 |
| arjan | and each build can be either code changes or other changes | 17:24 |
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| odin_ | does OBS make every build a "general release" meaning it gets a version bump and ends up in the same release dir at the last release ? or does it do "continious integration builds" on the basis of "testing" so the releases are not considered "general release" but more like "nightly"/"snapshot"/"testing" | 17:27 |
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| odin_ | only when a package maintainer says so does a general release build happen, or when a "MeeGo wide distribution" maintainer calls for it (so a compiler change between 1.0 and 1.1 releases, everything might get at least one bump) | 17:29 |
| koupsaa | argh! Meego say's me: Report size exceeded the quota. Please check system's MaxCrashReportsSize value in abrt.conf | 17:30 |
| arjan | the version field is the upstream kernel version | 17:30 |
| arjan | the release field is bumped by OBS every time the package gets build | 17:30 |
| odin_ | I am saying "built for the purpose of making a release" rather than "built for the purpose of continuous integration testing" | 17:31 |
| arjan | you're assuming that there's a difference ahead of time | 17:32 |
| odin_ | something that was once built for continuous integration then given the all clear to be releases, can get promoted to being the release | 17:32 |
| odin_ | nope | 17:32 |
| arjan | yeah but then you need to tag retroactively | 17:32 |
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| odin_ | git can do that | 17:33 |
| koupsaa | sometimes empathy crash just because there is no network.. | 17:33 |
| odin_ | checkout to the commit-id, and add the tag ? if the OBS knows this project it built from git, then it should/will track the last commit-id for the checkout | 17:33 |
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| Guest89619 | are you there | 17:34 |
| odin_ | so whatever process is in place to promote from "continious integration build" to " production release build" can be made to understand how to deal with git base projects, part of the process it to add the tag or revalidate the existing tag is exactly the same (if it already exist) | 17:34 |
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| Guest89619 | meego are u there | 17:39 |
| odin_ | yes meego is here | 17:39 |
| slaine | hmm, just installed qt-creator, it says examples aren't installed on the front page, but qt-examples is installed | 17:39 |
| slaine | is it referring to something else ? | 17:39 |
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| Guest89619 | meego please have been trying to join you for some days now, but to no avail | 17:43 |
| w00t_ | erm.. what? :) | 17:43 |
| slaine | lol | 17:43 |
| w00t_ | if you're trying to say you've been trying to talk to the meego community, you are | 17:43 |
| Termana | :D | 17:43 |
| w00t_ | if you're trying to talk to meego the person.. they don't exist :-P | 17:43 |
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| Guest89619 | why? is meego not around | 17:44 |
| Termana | I'm your a-meego Guest89619! :D | 17:44 |
| Guest89619 | termana from where | 17:44 |
| w00t_ | we are all ameegos here | 17:44 |
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| Guest89619 | so if am charting with you am also ameegos? | 17:45 |
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| Guest89619 | my name is life | 17:46 |
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| Termana | charting with us? Sounds like a sailing trip. YARR ME HARTIES | 17:46 |
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| koupsaa | slaine /usr/lib/qt4/ for demo and example. is that you search for ? | 17:47 |
| odin_ | Guest89619, walk the plank! | 17:47 |
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| slaine | koupsaa: no, I'm just commenting that the qt-creator UI claims there's no exmaples, but the qt-examples rpm is installed | 17:48 |
| slaine | This is on a meego1.0 for netbooks install | 17:48 |
| koupsaa | slaine, ok i understand. strange it's work for me on meego... | 17:49 |
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| * odin_ wonders why Nokia content copier, is so slow, over an hour to use it to restore contacts, from a 2.2Gb image | 17:50 | |
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| odin_ | I guess Guest89619 drowned | 17:51 |
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| odin_ | an once my contacts restore was done, the contact I know should be in there isn't, how damn annoying | 17:56 |
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| Savago | Good morning. | 18:22 |
| Savago | I have being playing with meego in a Dell mini 9 and apart from a few glitches (grub failing to install, missing wifi driver, chromium slow down to input events) all easily fixed, I'm having a good experience with it. | 18:23 |
| Savago | I'm just wondering if there is a schedule to Qt mobility bearer module being ported to connman? | 18:24 |
| Savago | From d-feet, I inspected that connman already exposes what it is necessary using a dbus interface. | 18:24 |
| Savago | Any comments about this? :-) | 18:24 |
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| gour | Savago: which chip is in wifi? i'm thinking about inspiron 1012 | 18:27 |
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| Savago | gour, Broadcom IIRC. | 18:29 |
| gour | Savago: so, no working driver (yet)? | 18:29 |
| Savago | gour, is just a matter of downloading the tarball with the driver code, yum install development packages and compile install. | 18:30 |
| gour | Savago: ahh, cool | 18:30 |
| Savago | If you google for it, you will find detailed instructions about how to do it. | 18:30 |
| Savago | ;-) | 18:30 |
| gour | right...i remember some page linked from wiki | 18:31 |
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| slaine | slaine.org | 18:36 |
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| slaine | gour: http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.0_Wifi.html | 18:37 |
| gour | slaine: thanks | 18:37 |
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| happyblob | slaine: thanks very much for getting those instructions up, a godsend to newbies like myself :-) Do you have any issues with networks not being detected automatically on startup? I always have to disable and re-enable wireless to get a connection | 18:40 |
| slaine | yes, I have that issue too | 18:41 |
| slaine | other people seem to have it too | 18:41 |
| slaine | with other drivers | 18:41 |
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| happyblob | ah okay. Its no real problem, just wanted to see if it was just me! but yeah thanks very much :-) | 18:42 |
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| GkNs | Hey i'm back and now i took a look at the site and forum still no answer, so here it is; is it possible to dualboot with vista / seven ? | 19:41 |
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| CosmoHill | you probably can but I think you'd need to edit the boot menu by hand | 19:44 |
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| Savago | thiago, ping? | 20:28 |
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| odin_ | MeeGo Community Applications Testing Meeting (17:30 UTC, in 1 minute) on #meego-meeting | 20:29 |
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| thiago | Savago: pong | 20:29 |
| Savago | any comments on the subject below: | 20:29 |
| Savago | <Savago> I'm just wondering if there is a schedule to Qt mobility bearer module being ported to connman? | 20:30 |
| Savago | <Savago> From d-feet, I inspected that connman already exposes what it is necessary using a dbus interface. | 20:30 |
| thiago | it will happen | 20:30 |
| thiago | I just don't know when | 20:30 |
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| thiago | we need someone to do it and we have none available yet | 20:30 |
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| Savago | thiago, you imagine that it would probably use the d-bus interface of connman or would follow another approach to tackle the problem? | 20:31 |
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| thiago | probably use the D-Bus interface | 20:35 |
| thiago | that's what the ICD backend does | 20:35 |
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| DawnFoster | BTW, we have a lot of unanswered user questions in the netbook forum. I have a page where we're triaging unanswered questions if anyone wants to help out (we can use help from technical and non-technical people): http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=458 | 20:41 |
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| wolfalohalani | morning all | 20:44 |
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| thiago | DawnFoster: | 20:46 |
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| thiago | DawnFoster: oops, pressed enter too soon :-) | 20:46 |
| DawnFoster | hey thiago | 20:46 |
| thiago | DawnFoster: hi | 20:46 |
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| thiago | DawnFoster: was linuxcon one of the conferences that you were planning a MeeGo presence in? | 20:46 |
| DawnFoster | We have a couple of presentations scheduled for LinuxCon Boston (and some other LinuxCons in other cities), but nothing big planned | 20:47 |
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| thiago | DawnFoster: ok then | 20:48 |
| thiago | DawnFoster: I've got a volunteer to go to Boston and I'm wondering if that's one of those we're focusing on | 20:49 |
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| DawnFoster | thaigo: we could talk about it if we wanted to do something more, but I'm not sure how many people from the MeeGo project are attending LinuxCon | 20:49 |
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| thiago | no, I don't think it's a big deal then | 20:49 |
| thiago | we'll send someone if there's budget | 20:50 |
| thiago | we've got plenty of important conferences in the second half of the year | 20:50 |
| thiago | Nokia Developer World/Summit (same week as IDF), Qt Dev Days MUC, Qt Dev Days SFO, Symbian Exchange (SEE) and MeeGo Conference | 20:51 |
| thiago | the latter two in the same week | 20:51 |
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| DawnFoster | I think the Sybian conference was moved to the week before the meego conf? (heard rumor, but I haven't confirmed it). | 20:52 |
| thiago | the week before is Dev Days SFO | 20:52 |
| thiago | I don't think they'll move there | 20:52 |
| thiago | anyway, I only heard today about SEE's date | 20:52 |
| DawnFoster | There are so many events in the fall. We're focusing mostly on IDF/Nokia World & the MeeGo Conference from my side. | 20:53 |
| CosmoHill | hey DawnFoster and thiago | 20:53 |
| DawnFoster | hey CosmoHill | 20:53 |
| thiago | hi Cosmo | 20:53 |
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| * thiago got tasked to find out who we can send to 5 conferences in 8 weeks | 20:53 | |
| thiago | I don't know if anyone from our side is going to IDF (it's not on my table) | 20:54 |
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| Tm_T | thiago: "pick me pick me!" in the office? | 20:54 |
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| thiago | DawnFoster: actually, SEE and meegoconf are on different weeks | 20:55 |
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| thiago | I had the wrong date for meegoconf | 20:55 |
| * w00t_ would really *not* be volunteering for more travel this year right now. | 20:55 | |
| * thiago updates his schedule | 20:55 | |
| w00t_ | I'm going to be doing like 5 countries in the next few months | 20:55 |
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| thiago | so 5 conferences in 9 weeks | 20:57 |
| thiago | Tm_T: there are people volunteering, but we also need to work, you know? | 20:58 |
| thiago | :-) | 20:58 |
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| thiago | so now I have to figure out a way to not burn out anyone, but also ensure that there's continuity in the work | 20:58 |
| w00t_ | thiago: fun times, eh? | 20:59 |
| thiago | yup | 21:00 |
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| w00t_ | I still need to work out when I'm going to oslo | 21:00 |
| w00t_ | I should really do that soon before getting there ends up costing me a packet | 21:00 |
| * thiago also needs to renew his visa this week | 21:01 | |
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| eexeZ | hello | 21:02 |
| eexeZ | Meego runs on a dual core? | 21:03 |
| eexeZ | x86_64 | 21:03 |
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| thiago | DawnFoster: another subject: do you know if we have got the Qt Labs blogs aggregated in the planet? | 21:03 |
| thiago | eexeZ: yes. However, MeeGo is compiled for Core2-and-up in 32-bit mode. | 21:04 |
| DawnFoster | they didn't have any meego-specific posts the last time I checked. Also, we're making changes to the planet | 21:04 |
| thiago | DawnFoster: right, there are no posts | 21:04 |
| thiago | I will probably post the first tomorrow | 21:04 |
| DawnFoster | as a policy, we aren't adding feeds with zero posts :) | 21:04 |
| thiago | understood | 21:04 |
| eexeZ | hmm 32 bit mode ..... | 21:04 |
| DawnFoster | ping me again when you have a post & we'll add it. | 21:04 |
| thiago | I'll ping you tomorrow when I have blogged | 21:05 |
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| lbt | DawnFoster: you busy? | 21:22 |
| lbt | we're discussing how to get testers involved in the community in m-meeting | 21:22 |
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| dzeban | amaurymedeiros, I guess this will help you http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.0_Wifi.html | 21:26 |
| Guest34718 | Has anybody got meego working on a HP netbook? | 21:27 |
| amaurymedeiros | dzeban, ty. I will take a look. | 21:27 |
| dzeban | Guest34718, you should see mailing list. I remember some talks about HP netbooks and meego | 21:29 |
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| Clay | i have it on a compaq mini (basically same thing) | 21:30 |
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| Guest34718 | Okay I am gonna do that | 21:30 |
| Guest34718 | Clay, do you have an AMD processor? And do you have a Broadcom adapter by any chance? | 21:31 |
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| Clay | no amd, but yes broadcom | 21:31 |
| Guest34718 | Alright, pleased to hear, is it working fine with the broadcom wireless? | 21:33 |
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| Clay | yes, using slaine's driver | 21:35 |
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| Guest34718 | Okay, thank you, you see; I am gonna try to boot it on my compaq 6735b, but I have had problems on linux distros with getting the WiFi to work | 21:39 |
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| CosmoHill | Guest34718: hi | 22:02 |
| CosmoHill | you can't run meego on an AMD processor | 22:02 |
| slluis | hi, I'm trying to run the simulator but all I get is a black window. I'm getting some errors in the terminal, such as "(mutter:13210): mutter-CRITICAL **: Unable to initialize Clutter". Any hint? | 22:03 |
| Guest34718 | Really | 22:03 |
| lbt | sivang: yep | 22:03 |
| lbt | :( | 22:03 |
| Guest34718 | Well, sigh! But that's ok I guess I will just wait for some support | 22:03 |
| lbt | well, sivang, there is a desire to hook up with you guys | 22:04 |
| Guest34718 | Or just get a netbook altogether - HP BIOS are horrible | 22:04 |
| CosmoHill | indeed | 22:04 |
| CosmoHill | I can't flash my HP BIOS with the OEM one :( | 22:04 |
| lbt | essentially QA and test automation is included in the scope of this piece of work | 22:04 |
| sivang | lbt: application community support, that is? | 22:04 |
| sivang | lbt: good to hear. | 22:04 |
| lbt | yes | 22:04 |
| CosmoHill | Guest34718: meego requires a processor with SSSE3 support which AMD don't have | 22:04 |
| sivang | err, community application support :) | 22:04 |
| sivang | the switch of the wording is crucial here | 22:05 |
| lbt | it always has been a key element.... have a browse through the logs and see what was covered | 22:05 |
| lbt | http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-06-02-17.33.log.html | 22:05 |
| sivang | lbt: okay I will after I've came back from the grocery store, thanks lbt for point that out! | 22:05 |
| lbt | np ... l8r | 22:06 |
| Tm_T | CosmoHill: I've been wondering what is achieved by this optimisation | 22:06 |
| sivang | lbt: l8ters | 22:06 |
| tyler__ | Guest34718: If you're looking for a netbook OS that is a bit more 'fleshed out' in the support department then try UNR. In it's early stages, MeeGo pretty much only functions on a stock netbook configurations and will likely have problems on any other hardware set-up. | 22:06 |
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| tyler__ | Guest34718: That said, netbooks are awesome. | 22:06 |
| Guest34718 | Alright, thanks. I am generally looking for just about any alternative to what I currently have to put up with (school gave me a discount pc with vista and HP Bios...) | 22:07 |
| lbt | Tm_T: a cynic may say ... no AMD or older Intel systems can use MeeGo... I, of course, couldn't agree with that ;) | 22:07 |
| sivang | s/came/come/ | 22:08 |
| Tm_T | lbt: ye, to weed out the not (yet) supported platforms, perfect reason | 22:08 |
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| tyler__ | Guest34718: I own an Asus N10J and I couldn't be happier with it. Although it's an early model and you probably want something with a more updated Atom processor. | 22:08 |
| tyler__ | Guest34718: I would like to note that the one I bought had a dedicated GPU (nvidia). So you may want to look into that if you want to experience some gaming. | 22:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | lbt: ping | 22:09 |
| lbt | o/ timeless_mbp | 22:10 |
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| CosmoHill | tyler__: no luck with nvidia yet | 22:10 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: we spoke earlier this week, right? | 22:10 |
| lbt | at lunch | 22:10 |
| lbt | yesterday | 22:10 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm trying to address that issue now, but to do that, i'd like to borrow your text | 22:10 |
| CosmoHill | I think I have to recompole x11 after installing the nvidia driver | 22:10 |
| CosmoHill | and that requires a hell of a lot of dependances and then fails to compile | 22:11 |
| tyler__ | CosmoHill: I haven't gotten around to trying to install the drivers on MeeGo. Been meaning to try my hand at it this weekend. | 22:11 |
| lbt | here's an "a" to start you off... | 22:11 |
| sivang | hehe | 22:11 |
| CosmoHill | tyler__: can you get meego into the UI with vesa? | 22:11 |
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| lbt | timeless_mbp: what was the problem again? I've been swamped | 22:12 |
| tyler__ | CosmoHill: I haven't tried that either. I installed it when I had Intel Graphics hard-switched on. | 22:12 |
| CosmoHill | ah you have two graphics chips, I only have one Nvidia | 22:12 |
| tyler__ | Yeah, the netbook I bought came with a dedicated GPU and integrated intel graphics. | 22:13 |
| tyler__ | And you could switch between the two. | 22:13 |
| CosmoHill | netbook with two GPUs? sounds more like a sub-netbook | 22:13 |
| CosmoHill | *notebook | 22:13 |
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| tyler__ | The things actually pretty powerful. I was able to get Call of Duty 4 (demo version) running on the Windows partition before I deleted it. | 22:14 |
| tyler__ | Yeah, I think it was marketed as a notebook actually. But the hardware configuration matches a stock netbook with a GPU thrown in. | 22:14 |
| CosmoHill | hmm, 2.7GB left, can I install UT2004 on redhat | 22:14 |
| tyler__ | Atom processor, 10 inch screen, 2 gb ram, etc, etc.. | 22:14 |
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| lbt | any rpm devs here? rpm packaging question : should a src.rpm contain multiple files : a tarball and a collection of patch files ? | 22:15 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 22:15 |
| tyler__ | What I have been doing so far is dual booting Fedora 13 and MeeGo. (with the F13 partition for gaming) | 22:15 |
| CosmoHill | a src.rpm contains the spec file and all the files required to build it | 22:15 |
| CosmoHill | tarballs and patches normally | 22:15 |
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| sivang | CosmoHill: Like debian source packages | 22:16 |
| CosmoHill | I haven't played proper PC games for years | 22:16 |
| tyler__ | I'm a college student so I like to blow off steam in between classes with gaming. | 22:17 |
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| thiago_home | the .src.rpm contains the pristine sources + patches | 22:17 |
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| lbt | so is it reasonable to say "the tarball should not contain symlinks that reference outside the tarball root directory" | 22:17 |
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| tyler__ | Would be nice if I could drop to a root shell, wget the driver, and compile the source but from what you're saying.. it wouldn't be like that easy. | 22:18 |
| CosmoHill | tyler__: I've been trying init 3 | 22:18 |
| CosmoHill | I boot the computer into init 3 so it's command line only | 22:19 |
| b-man|laptop | it seems like when ever i try to run zypper it just hangs :\ | 22:19 |
| CosmoHill | problem I have is that meego doesn't use a xorg.conf file | 22:19 |
| tyler__ | Lol. | 22:19 |
| CosmoHill | but the biggest problem is that I'm just not used to using linux with a GUI | 22:20 |
| CosmoHill | I'm still surpriced when I log into redhat and my background has changed | 22:20 |
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| tyler__ | I'm relatively inexperienced with Linux - even though I've been using it for four years. | 22:21 |
| CosmoHill | I can build a basic linux from source but I've never borthered with a GUI | 22:22 |
| tyler__ | So, what... are you like a SysAdmin or something? | 22:22 |
| CosmoHill | well I once have XCFE running on Xfree86 | 22:22 |
| CosmoHill | more a bored student | 22:23 |
| tyler__ | Ah. | 22:23 |
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| thiago_home | tyler__: then the current handset release is for you | 22:23 |
| thiago_home | it boots to xterm :-) | 22:23 |
| tyler__ | Hmm. | 22:24 |
| twoboxen | has anyone considered porting meego to the nexus one? would that be a nightmare to do? | 22:24 |
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| thiago_home | twoboxen: there are two problems to solve there: | 22:25 |
| thiago_home | the first is the hardware adaptation. Hardware on ARM is frequently very specific and the drivers aren't necessarily in the kernel. | 22:25 |
| thiago_home | but the Nexus One is a Snapdragon, so it's got an ARMv7 core, which is what MeeGo supports (though it supports that via OMAP3) | 22:26 |
| thiago_home | the second problem is the bootloader and flashing the device | 22:26 |
| twoboxen | yeah.. i figured the telephony stack would be the worst | 22:26 |
| thiago_home | do you know if it's possible to flash a device bought from the stores? | 22:26 |
| tyler__ | thiago_home: Yes, it is. | 22:27 |
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| twoboxen | i have an unlocked bootloader... doesn't that make #2 much easier? | 22:27 |
| tyler__ | Different modders have built custom tools for flashing different images. | 22:27 |
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| tyler__ | I have a T-Mobile G1 (dream) and I flash that thing all day long. | 22:28 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: I'm here now | 22:28 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: hi... we were chatting about QA and encouraging and supporting testers in the community | 22:28 |
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| DawnFoster | sure | 22:29 |
| lbt | thought you'd be interested : http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-06-02-17.33.log.html last part (just FYI) | 22:29 |
| thiago_home | twoboxen: anyway, MeeGo is focusing on OMAP hardware from TI, for the simple reason that it's what the N900 has | 22:29 |
| thiago_home | nothing's stopping anyone from working on Snapdragon | 22:30 |
| twoboxen | yeah i've flashed a bunch of different roms on here already. it's pretty easy to do that part of the process | 22:30 |
| tyler__ | I don't think loading the image on the phone and getting it to run would be the problem, I think it would just be driver inconsistencies. | 22:30 |
| thiago_home | yes | 22:32 |
| thiago_home | GL driver, telephony stack, power management, battery charging, etc. | 22:32 |
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| thiago_home | Android must have contributed some of those to the upstream kernel, but others are in userspace | 22:32 |
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| arjan | some people underestimate how much small integration work goes into making a phone be a phone ;-) | 22:34 |
| arjan | after you boot a kernel that is | 22:34 |
| twoboxen | maybe ill try sometime down the road but all of my dev experience is wih user apps. it's a little intimidating to start :) | 22:35 |
| thiago_home | unlike PC hardware, embedded hardware is usually very custom. Every penny counts when you ship in the millions. | 22:35 |
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| thiago_home | start by considering this: why does ARM not have a "cpuid" instruction? | 22:35 |
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| sx0n|home | nice glxgears gives 60fps on full screen in vbox | 22:37 |
| twoboxen | arjan: i know how tough it can be--hence my intimidation/hesitation :) | 22:39 |
| kkszysiu | hmmm | 22:40 |
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| kkszysiu | you runned meego on virtualbox? | 22:40 |
| kkszysiu | I mean with UI | 22:40 |
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| melik | hey guys i'm running MeeGo 1.0 on an asus 901, i keep getting these random core.814 files in my ~ directory | 22:41 |
| melik | what are they? | 22:42 |
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| sx0n|home | kkszysiu: just twm. | 22:42 |
| thiago_home | melik: crashes | 22:43 |
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| melik | oh thiago_home, thanks | 22:46 |
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| vgrade | two nice meego app demos, http://www.youtube.com/user/MovialIXS | 22:54 |
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| thiago_home | looks great | 22:56 |
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| amaurymedeiros | hi all. I'm using a netbook and my wireless card is a RTL8187SE. I followed the steps on http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.0_Wifi.html but I still can't connect wireless. | 22:56 |
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| amaurymedeiros | Does anyone have/had the same problem and know how to fix it? | 22:57 |
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| CosmoHill | dammit, it turns out that the graphics module I just unloaded was also the one I was using | 23:06 |
| tyler__ | Lol. | 23:06 |
| CosmoHill | ah ha! | 23:07 |
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| CosmoHill | I typed "sudo init 5" and it worked :D | 23:07 |
| tyler__ | Lol. | 23:07 |
| tyler__ | Wait, so you compiled the drivers from init 3 then jumped to init 5? | 23:07 |
| CosmoHill | sorta | 23:07 |
| CosmoHill | I'm on redhat trying to install nvidia | 23:08 |
| tyler__ | Oh. I thought you were on MeeGo. | 23:08 |
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| CosmoHill | you thought wrong :p | 23:11 |
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| DGMurdockIII | dose meego only work on a atom cpu | 23:13 |
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| gour | DGMurdockIII: no | 23:15 |
| tyler__ | DGMurdockIII: No, it works on other processors. | 23:15 |
| DGMurdockIII | what other ones dose it work on | 23:15 |
| gour | CPU: 32bit Intel(r) Atom(tm) or Intel(r) Core(tm) 2 CPU | 23:16 |
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| CosmoHill | ah ha | 23:16 |
| gour | DG for SDK | 23:16 |
| CosmoHill | I have progress | 23:17 |
| gour | DGMurdockIII: ^^^ | 23:17 |
| DGMurdockIII | ne celeron | 23:17 |
| DGMurdockIII | no | 23:17 |
| gour | nope | 23:17 |
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| gour | CosmoHill: where do you weant to install meego? | 23:18 |
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| CosmoHill | huh? | 23:18 |
| CosmoHill | I've just installed nvidia on redhat :) | 23:18 |
| gour | ahh.. | 23:18 |
| CosmoHill | I had to blacklist nouveau | 23:19 |
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| tyler__ | Congratulations. | 23:20 |
| CosmoHill | sweet | 23:20 |
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| CosmoHill | UT2004 has integrated IRC | 23:20 |
| tyler__ | Now for the hard part: installing Nvidia onto MeeGo. | 23:20 |
| CosmoHill | damn nvidia is so much better than nouveau with games | 23:21 |
| tyler__ | Huh, that's interesting. | 23:21 |
| CosmoHill | nouveau lagged like crazy | 23:21 |
| tyler__ | Yeah, the nouveau driver stack is pretty immature. | 23:21 |
| tyler__ | At least it's getting somewhere though. | 23:22 |
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| CosmoHill | shame I have no sound :( | 23:22 |
| CosmoHill | sweet | 23:23 |
| thresh | it wouldnt get anywhere near 3d | 23:23 |
| CosmoHill | my xbox 360 controller works on redhat out of the box | 23:23 |
| thresh | nor vdpau | 23:23 |
| CosmoHill | FYI I've not used linux with a GUI for about 4 years | 23:23 |
| thresh | so it's pretty uselees. only for freetards maybe though... | 23:23 |
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| CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/files/rhel6-nvidia.png | 23:26 |
| tyler__ | thresh: 'Freedom' is often a romanticized word in the open source community. I think labeling open source products as the epitome of freedom in the face of closed sourced products fosters animosity, prejudice, FUD, and arrogance. (All IMO) | 23:27 |
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| thresh | tyler__: nothing's bad with freedom. | 23:28 |
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| thresh | i just prefer having it in non-stallman's-ultimate-denying-of-everything-not-open-way. | 23:28 |
| tyler__ | thresh: I'm not saying that freedom is bad. I just think it's used in a context that fosters an animosity in the open source community. | 23:29 |
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| GAN900 | Depends on who's using it. | 23:30 |
| thresh | tyler__: animosity is good. it creates competition. | 23:30 |
| microlith | thresh: animosity just makes people hate you | 23:31 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: nice | 23:31 |
| microlith | or if they're calm, just ignore you | 23:31 |
| tyler__ | GAN900: I just tend to see it used that way by a lot of open source advocates. | 23:31 |
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| tyler__ | 'Middle-ground' doesn't seem to pop-up often. | 23:32 |
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| CosmoHill | now will it wake from sleep or crash | 23:33 |
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| GAN900 | tyler__, middle ground people tend to not engage on those discussions. | 23:37 |
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| GAN900 | The loudest extremists usually get the most air time. ;) | 23:38 |
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| tyler__ | GAN900: Haha, that's true. | 23:38 |
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| CosmoHill | tyler__: I now have a xorg.conf file for my laptop, I could maybe use that for meego | 23:43 |
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| tyler__ | Oh, did you use the nvidia tools to generate your own xorg.conf file? | 23:45 |
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| CosmoHill | yes | 23:46 |
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| CosmoHill | I don't have KMS anymore :( | 23:46 |
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